**Small Update Please Read (but it's more good news)** I mistakenly used Tech Power Up for the specs for the RTX 3050 4GB Mobile edition when I should have used Nvidia's official site for the specs here: www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/laptops/compare/30-series/ However, this is actually even better news, since the RTX 3050 Mobile that we discussed as being the heavy likely contender that the Switch 2 GPU is based on, actually has a lower end range of 35 watts and the highest range it can get is 80 watts. So the 45w rating from Tech Power Up is technically correct, the chip can also run lower than 45w. The Switch 2 having a TDP of 45w would still cover this chip within it pretty easy with 1,536 Cuda Cores vs the stock 2048 (helping power draw). I mentioned in the comments below that even if Switch 2 has an 8nm chip (the T239) the 45w TDP would easily support 4 TFLOPS docked with those Cuda Cores and a similar clock speed as the RTX 3050 Mobile, the big question to why most now think it's 4nm (Nvidia 4N) is due to that range of power simply not working for a portable, in docked mode it will be awesome, but 8nm simply wouldn't work well without drastically downclocking the chip very very low to where games that ran amazing while docked (which the 45w power draw supports this theory giving Switch 2 the power needed to spread it's wings and OC for max power) it would theoretically be pretty bad in portable mode. This is the main reason why 4nm is so heavily assumed at this point for the Switch 2 SOC. For me, I play mainly in docked mode, so from the looks of it, the Switch 2 is going to rock while docked, like no problem, it's the portable mode we'll have to wait and see on. I'm sure it will be fine though either way, but hopefully people can understand more clearly now why 4nm (Nvidia 4N) simply makes the best most logical sense for Nintendo at this point. As a side note, something I forgot to mention in the video is that the RTX 2050 that Digital Foundry referenced for comparison to the T239 back in late 2023 has a max TDP of 30 watts, so we may be able to rule out that GPU, but not only due to that, but also because of it’s Memory Bus being limited to 64-bit vs the T239’s 128-bit Memory Bus. This actually lends even more credence to the information we covered here for the baseline of the RTX 3050 GPU for Switch 2 being correct, the process of elimination is in full effect. Hit the LIKE BUTTON with your upscaled DLSS thumbs if you enjoyed this. Thanks for the support!
*I did the same thing with the calculations. I like to find something that is most accurate, rather than underplaying the comparison. Like the 680m, 780m and 890m from AMD's iGPUs vs a discrete video card.* *But Nintendo always underclocks hardware. So, I believe it will be MUCH closer to the 3050m. But part of me believes, upon release, it will be more than the 2050, but less than the 3050m. Just following history.* *It's great that you went all out on your computer. I love seeing that. I had to stop buying top tier PC components. Every 2 years you can spend $3,000+ if you have to keep up with times. It lost its appeal for me. But I've been building top tier rigs since the 80s. (Although, back in the 80s it was more about your modem, RAM and HDDs than 3D accelerators and soundcards, and crazy monitors). LoL!* *I'm just rocking a 14700K and waiting for the 5080 Ti (to get that 384-bit bus width. The 5080 will have a 256-bit bus width).*
yeah, a mix of a better shrink node and more advanced rt cores in the chip plus the excess ram at a higher speed and bandwidth can make this chip a surprise in terms of efficiency and power, not to say nvidia probably cooked something more custom for nintendo too.
Considering the GPU in the PS4 pro was roughly equivalent to a GTX 780, an approx rtx 3050 mobile would be very impressive for the switch 2, it would be more powerful than a ps4 pro, which if they market it that way, then thats a big win for them.
@@joebloggs1691 would be huge tbh. Series s sold more than the x because the price to performance is great. But if the switch 2 matches the S I’m selling my S
@DavidBerger-g2h They will, i would expect around 3,4 teraflops in docked mode (and half of it in handheld mode). but it has also tensor cores for DLSS and even a few RT cores. So it should be around XBox Series S all in all, with more ram and better "upscaler". Nintendos games will look fantastic, and it will be able to run many or all next gen games (ported down). CPU will be weaker though.
@@currywurst2434 Listen, with these figures i have no complaints at all. Excited to see how Nintendo exclusive games (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc) will look 🔥
The switch 2 isn’t gonna be running at 45 watts, the actual chip is probably running at 15 watts and then the screen and rest take up another 10 watts. Nintendo cares more about battery life than performance.
@ the article he posted says 60 watts docked, so 45 watts handheld. I’m not saying it can’t be done because the ROG Ally does 30 watts handheld (probably 15 for the rest of the system) but knowing Nintendo, they’d rather push 15 watts max (25 total) and get 3 hours of battery life using 6 year old technology.
@@jeffmeadows8094 it will never be allowed to go 45 watts handheld, just for heat and it's the same cooler design, you are delusional, it's MAX 45 watts docked, the alst 15 watts are for plugging in controller(s) and the power needed in the hdmi cables as well as the usb c connector of the dock.
Thank you sir. Yeah, I wanted to give more context on how to calculate TFLOPS, normally it wouldn't be so easy, but since Nvidia Ampere is so well known at this point, anyone can do it as long as you know what frequencies to multiply. You can also get the same outcome by multiplying the Cuda Cores x Clock Speed by using decimals instead of whole numbers. So for example: 1.536 x 1.343 x 2 = 4.12 (4.12 TFLOPS). Fun stuff.
I love when fanboys turn a negative into a positive. Because they have their whole identify wrapped up in the company and can't allow them to take any hit, because it feels like a hot to themself. This is you, btw.
You are aware that consoles take years to develop, plan and build right? When the Switch was designed on paper, the Tegra X1 was the most advanced chip available at the time. When it launched, the X2 had just come out. It would have been impossible to just slap an X2 into that existing board. It didn’t use old tech.
Excellent video, Dave! Very excited to see what third-parties have in store for Switch 2. And I agree, this stuff can be more fascinating than seeing games run at max settings on PC.
Thanks man. I updated the pinned comment there is a slight correction I had to make, but it's actually even better news than I thought. These videos get very technical so sometimes that happens. All good stuff though!
Uh no, the PS4 and XB1 used customized ARM CPUs and PC ports usually ran much better on a midrange PC than in their original form, a custom chip says nothing about performance, only that it's customized to the performance/power/thermal/size restraints of a client. There is no world in which a game running on a tablet runs better than the same game running on a desktop PC on Windows barring some catastrophic programming mishap for the Windows port.
@@ReveriePass You completely missed my point - custom != more powerful, it's simply customized, and your average PC doesn't have the size/thermal/power limitations that the Switch 2 will have, so again, the contention that Switch 2 games will somehow run better than on a desktop PC is nonsense.
@@yellowblanka6058 I misunderstood, yeah. But you also misunderstood, but I also didn't explain it well. I meant an ARM version of Cyberpunk would run better (a native Switch 2 port) than the windows would on a comparable card.
@@ReveriePass Conceivably, but that would also depend on how powerful the CPU in the Switch 2 is - I remain dubious that would turn out to be the case because even if they could squeeze out a little more performance from NVN/other low level things, they're still going to be relatively limited on CPU power from the mobile nature of the Switch 2 vs. a PC. Really the only metric that matters is performance vs. the original Switch, and if the increase in power is enough to receive downgraded ports of more contemporary games.
With all the specs we know 12gb ram LPDDR5X Nvidia Tegra T239 x8 Cortex A78C 2.0-3.3 GHz 1536 CUDA Cores (slightly behind PS5 over Series S) Expecting 6 Tflops maximum.
@@kapler8550 it’ll be quite a bit behind ps5 performance, and probably only reaching near series s performance while docked, which is still very impressive, we also have to take into account that the cpu might be slower by a good bit. But at the same time, it’ll have more ram than the series s, there could be scenarios where the switch is faster than the series S based just on that.
Are you calculating the total TDP for the switch 2 with the TDP of the 3050? Thats just the graphics chip alone, no CPU, RAM, screen or anything else included.
Switch 2 already enough for my gaming need for coming 7 years. I didn't need 4K or 120fps because I'm purely gaming on handheld. 1080p 60fps with decent graphics are enough for me ❤👍🤤
Nice video, your analysis and reaching your conclusion that it may be more of 3050 chip than a 2050 makes sense. Which software is being used around 15:55 to show the analytics?
3050M is misleading to say the least. The tdp and the power distribution would make it closer to a 2050 in performance for a handheld. Still pretty impressive
Yo, great video as usual, but i wanna be nitpicky and give a correction lol The switch 1 does not have a power draw of 39 W. the 18W refers to the system in docked, running a game, when taking extra power to charge the depleted console and joycons + connected to accessories by USB C. In other words, ~18W is the max power draw the switch can ever demand. The 39W refers to the power brick/charger. It’s rated for 39W but never gives all that to the console. For switch 2, we know from this and also shipping data that the charger is 60W. Even if this ends up being higher than the system needs like before, this would still allow the switch 2 to have a super high TDP. Just not 60W. 45W could be the max for the console entirely for example, which would give a really nice TDP for the CPU/GPU thanks boss, again great vid
Yeah I quickly said that the Switch 2 Dock will help boost it with all "the other things", but I did imply that it would also help it get to 60w, so I could have separated that better and explain more that 45w was for Switch 2, 60w for the Dock, not one and the same/either or. I did mention that Switch 1 was 18w TDP, but funny enough people have OC'd the Switch OG well past that but that risks damaging the console of course lol. Switch 2 being 45w TDP is wild though don't you think? It's got some massive potential while docked, more in line with a Laptop (like we showed with the RTX 3050 Laptop GPU).
@@SuperMetalDave64 Yeah. When i saw that 60W charger i was thinking; even if it takes that same overhead in terms of the wattage (~20ish W, from the 39W charger and the switch 1 only taking at max 18W) then the switch 2 could take what, 40W at least (for docked + charging at the same time)? Hell it could be a bit higher. So we could get a TDP of like 15W or possibly even higher, which at 4nm would get us some really good power. That and bandwidth considerations make me think the console has a good shot of hitting 4TFLOPS, even though it’s not a guarantee (ampere GPUs often have about 25 GB/s for each TFLOP, with LPDDR5x it’ll be 120 GB/s, even if 20 GB/s is for the CPU that remaining 100 could be more than enough to serve a 4 TFLOP GPU). It’ll be interesting for sure
@@theboi553 I updated the pinned comment as well. Some more info I had to clarify, I used a 3rd party source in the video instead of Nvidia themselves so I fixed that in the pinned comment, but it's actually even better news. Good stuff.
@@kingdrift1136 there are others who could give a better explained answer here, but 8nm doesn’t seem to make a ton of sense. Even at super low clocks the power draw would still be too high to make sense for handheld mode. If they were gonna use 8nm and clocks that were super low, they would have used a lower number of CUDA cores instead and just clocked those higher. That’d make sense on 8nm, but they didn’t do that. So 4nm makes a ton more sense, and it’d be cheaper to mass produce too.
I dont think that these numbers are quite right here... The original Nintendo Switch Dock was capable of 40 watts because the original charger itself was rated at 40 Watts. Did the Switch ever ran at 40 watts? No it never did. Theres a Video of digital foundry testing the power consumption of the switch and the v2 Switch (Mariko chip) The video is called: The New Nintendo Switch Review: 'Mariko' Tegra X1 Tested In Depth! You can see that the Switch, when fully charged, is using 15 watts of power in docked mode and 7-8 watts in portable. Yes the switch can do more than 15 watts in docked mode but that headroom is for charging and playing the system. The Soc never used more than 15 Watts. Now going back to switch 2, the switch 2 maybe has a power brick that is 60 watt capable but it wont use nowhere near 40 or 50 watts for the soc. Given the power supply is 40% bigger then we can assume the soc power consumption would be 40% higher So the Switch 2s soc would probably use 20 watts maybe in docked with a 60 watt charger, which makes more sense. I think that Nintendo will probably use a 5 or 6nm chip and run it at 20 watts in docked which could give us a Performance that would certainly be higher than ps4 but nowhere near a series s Performance (especialy in cpu Performance which Nintendo always cuts back on) 4nm is way to expensive even for Sony and Microsofts console offerings. And most succesful Nintendo consoles where also affordable since its mostly parents who will end up buying it if the price is right.
What I want is for Nintendo to enable boost mode while on Handheld when plugged on socket. Aka having docked clocks while playing on handheld mode (Albeit you're plugged on a wall or Powebank)
I highly doubt the SoC will be using 45w of power, my guess is that 45w is for the whole console, not just the cpu /gpu. But I suppose we shall see, nintendo has never been about pushing the envelope hardware power wise, but there is a LOT more competition in the handheld space today, so they have to have something that is much more capable than switch 1, which it certainly looks like this will be. I think a huge win though is having a better cooling dock and letting the clocks get higher in docked mode.
From what i understand individually the chips may be more expensive, but seeing as you can put in twice as many 4nm chips on wafer compared to 8nm chips, volume cuatomers like nintendo would actually save money .
I'd bet my left nut it'll be at 8nm. I also bet that in hand held mode it'll pull like 15 watts max, Nintendo is all about battery life when it comes to their hand helds and you know that they'd want their new "Switch" to run longer then their OG "Switch".
Even if it's 8nm, those numbers support the TDP to still get 4 TFLOPS while docked, easily. That wouldn't be an issue at all if the Switch 2 was a Home Console and only played while docked, the issue with 8nm comes into play when you try to take it on the go as a portable. The size, heat, and downgrading of the chip via lowering the clock speeds very very low to get any kind of good battery life would make it something extremely degraded while on the go and games could really struggle to run well at that point (as a portable). That's why so many are now just plainly assuming Nintendo has moved to 4N (Nvidia's version of 4nm).
Don't expect high end tech from Nintendo, they will absolutely cheapen out to lowest hardware to make $$. The performance of switch 2 is more powerful than base ps4 but weaker than ps4 pro. With frame Gen it will outdo the ps4 pro
Very interesting analysis, but it would make much more sense if you had used the information available on Nvidia's website about the Jetson Orin development kits. These kits use ARM chips with GPUs based on the Ampere architecture, which feature core counts ranging from 1,024 to 2,048 and can operate in the range of 930 MHz to 1.3 GHz-an ideal setup for a portable device like the rumored Nintendo Switch 2. Additionally, these kits offer a variety of memory configurations, including 4GB, 8GB, or 16GB, with 128-bit/256-bit LPDDR5 and bandwidths of 51 GB/s, 102.4 GB/s, and 204.8 GB/s. The TDP options range from 10W, 15W, and 25W to higher configurations of 60W and 75W, providing flexibility in performance versus power efficiency. Considering these specifications, they closely align with what one might expect from the hardware of a next-generation Switch, balancing portability with improved performance and graphical capabilities.
You can't really Guage what the graphics will be compared to actual gpus. because console games are far better optimized compared to pc games because they only have to take into account one setup instead of who knows how many different setup combinations in a pc
@@philipjohnson882 yes you can. You can literally reduce the performance capabilities to numbers and compare the specs. The games running on them is irrelevant. Their optimization for the platform is irrelevant. The capability is what is at question.
Great video. Appreciate you putting out some useful analysis. You lay out your reasoning well, unlike the majority of Switch channels, who just spew hot air at every random rumour.
You don't really have much experience with hardware, and a lot of your guesses are dead wrong. Switch 2 is the same as the Jetson Nano Super that Nvidia just released. 7-15W power draw in handheld and about 30W docked. Performance will be close to the 2050m, nowhere near 3050, let alone 3060 levels at these wattages. Remember, some power goes to the CPU as well, so, we're looking at max 10W for the GPU in handheld, and 20W docked.
dock having extra gpu was found in nintendo patents all the way back during the original switch 1 reveal, iwata talked about having multiple devices powering each other and it seems his vision is being played out with the switch 2, truly brilliant ceo, he left us far too soon, i truly miss him, nintendo isnt the same without him 😢
You have to consider that if the chip is 4nm then it will be as strong as the 8nm version while consuming less wattage... so if at 8nm it was consuming 45W then maybe at 4nm is consuming 22.5W while offering the same performance. So yeah your calculation needs to assume that plus
Switch 2 SoC is a very custom chip; it’ll most likely be a very Frankenstein‘s monster in terms of the tech in it. Main Cuda cores I wouldn’t doubt would be based on 30 series, but the tensor cores I’d be willing to bet would be 40 series level or even 50 series so Nintendo can stretch the life of the console as long as possible and have it still be relevant. The RT cores will most likely be Nvidia’s 3rd gen RT cores, but the tensor, which will be essential for frame generation and upscaling, I feel like they’re going to be as close to bleeding edge that Nintendo can get them. And if they can get the newest Tensor cores that perform similarly for less physical cores, it would balance out the investment due to having a lower power draw and being able to limp the console along for longer.
Not to mention, having large-capacity batteries now is really starting to take off in the gaming phone or phone space in general due to the new battery tech coming out, like the carbon-silicon-based batteries that have already hit a capacity of 7,000+ milliamp hours in a phone that slides into your pocket.
We are talking about Nintendo. They will not pay for any silicon and tech that would have been available like 4000 series tech. I’m surprised they got even Ampere tech and didn’t go with 2000 series tech but Nvidia probably let Nintendo have it at a decent price and Nintendo probably had Nvidia strip out a lot of stuff only what they needed
No Oled no buy and this is coming from a guy that solely plays games on Switch and had 422 digital games. Don't F us over Nintendo please and at least give us that choice from the get go as i cannot go back to LCD or whatever that other thing was. Anyway good video very informative unlike a lot of those other fake news channels.
The CPU is based off of Arm architecture and is an ARM78 8 core CPU. I’m not sure what clock speed Nintendo will clock the CPU. If they low ball it we’re looking at a Ryzen 5 1600. If Nintendo clocks it high it could be an Intel i5 8600k. On the GPU side I would say GTX 1050 performance in portable mode and 1050ti performance while docked. Keep in mind with new API, architecture and DLSS it will greatly outperform those GPU’s with modern games.
Its not gonna be as fast as a higher tdp 3050m, it will be somewhere in between a 2050m and a 75-80w 3050m. It still has considerably less memory bandwidth. Even if it boosts to 1700-1800mhz it still has less shaders and less bandwidth than the 3050. And at 1700-1800mhz its not clocking any faster than the 3050 in a 75-80w config. Maybe in the low power configs it might catch up, but those are barely faster than older 1650m chips.
@@alessandrooliveira3218 tha's the closest thing and the only nvidia chip compatible with arm cpu , the leaks claims the switch will use 18 watts to 42 watts which doesn't make sens
Don't expect any technical marvel from Nintendo, they will pick the absolute lowest hardware but making dlss possible. Basically future Nintendo games will make use of dlss to achieve acceptable performance. If Valve makes a loss selling deck at $350 you can imagine the budget limit of Nintendo. They always sell for profit, hardware itself probably similar to deck gpus but with dlss it seems to be a more capable machine.
It better have HDR on the tablet and of course tv. But knowing Nintendo, they might not and say it's unnecessary. But they're a gen behind on some things, so now would be their time to embrace HDR. I wish you could calibrate the tablet screen as well. The oled was not bad really on accuracy but for sure much too blue.
if the switch 2 docked uses 45 watts thats a good sign since the switch 1 docked used like 10 watts btw the 5.5tflop number is multiplied by 2 because of int32 performance so its really half that for the switch 2 since switch dosent use int32
"Switch 2 will be in the ballpark range or close to a rtx 3050 graphics card" This won't happen : 3050 has double cuda core count (3072 vs 1536) 86% higher memory bandwidth (224Gb/s vs 120Gb/s) 3050 is a 9.1 tflops gpu with a 130W tdp, the entire switch 2 (4tflops max in the rumors) will probably consumes a max of 30W in the dock and 5/10W in handheld mode. 3050 is a clearly better and faster gpu than what is in the xbox series s. I would be happy if the switch 2 in dock performs 50/60% of a 3050, so similar to gtx 1650/rx 470, without the 4gb vram limitation of a gtx 1650 and of course with specific optimizations and the use of dlss which will improve performance further. The 3050 desktop however is in a completely different category compared to the t239 gpu...
perhaps that's the reason why we see tweets from verified people that we can expect modern triple A games for the Switch 2. plus, considering Nintendo is deepening their relationship with tons of 3rd party studios including the likes of FromSoftware.
I don't think all of this switch 2 information really matters. I remember hearing this on TH-cam. Samus Hunter said the switch 2 retail stores price tag will be between $399.00 - $450.00 dollars. If this is true. The switch 2 will be as powerful as a standard ps4 console or a ps4 pro console. Thank you for the information 🙏.
might be a tall ask for a handheld but more than Series S is what I would expect. I mean Series S already was a significant step back from the XB1X. I hope the gap can be closed with good optimization and custom upscalers
I doubt it. Also the Series S isn't a complete step back. The only things its behind is GPU raw power and RAM amount. Everything else about the XSS is better. Series S also still consumes somewhere around 80-90w under full load. You cannot do that with a hybrid handheld as it's too much for it
This console is about as powerfull as a ps4 pro which came out in 2016. The Switcn 2 is coming out in 2025, so it has as much power as a 9 year old console.
Consoles aren't easy to compare as it will have a significantly better CPU and more RAM that is also quicker too. GPU wise I expect somewhere between a PS4 Pro and PS4
I'm still not seeing any real evidence to suggest that the Switch 2's SoC is built on something other than 8nm but I do very much hope for that to be the case. Your power calculations also seem a bit off as you're only accounting for the GPU whereas the CPU will also use a tiny bit of power as well as the custom file decompression chip which is apparently also on the SoC. What I find interesting about the actual power envelope presented here that not a lot of people are talking about is that the increase in power from Switch 1 to Switch 2 is actually pretty proportional to just how much larger the jump in resolution needs to be. The OG Switch runs at 720P in handheld mode and 1080P docked, using 6-7W and 15-17W of power respectively. If the Switch 2 does indeed have a 1080P display and is aiming to output at 4K (it likely won't render games at this resolution but instead work more so like the Series S where it'll basically upscale to something akin to 1440P) that would be 4 times the resolution vs the Switch 1 which runs at 2/3rds the resolution in handheld mode as it does docked. If the size of the battery shown from the prototype leak is still fairly accurate then we have to assume that the Switch 2 is designed to pull around the same amount of watts in handheld mode as the Switch 1 but at 1080P but if it can pump all the way up to 45 watts docked that's around 3 times more power than the Switch 1 pulls docked which would make a lot of sense. This also adds to the idea that the Switch 2 has dual fans inside the unit as that layout is common in current PC handhelds that are able to use higher wattages while plugged into power (oddly enough, 33W-45W).
@@Darkstar301 not even close. The new switch will have games only released for the new system. Nintendo waited 8 years for new hardware. Seriously how can you even equate the two?
Would this make the Switch (Docked) more powerful than ROG Ally? Ally claims 8.6 teraflops but obviously it’s not comparable to consoles because Ally isn’t even close to PS5 or even Series S in “power”.
That’s not how memory bandwidth vs amount work and even tho the switch was rated for 18w that’s just power delivery the actual switch only used 7-9 watts so those ratings for the switch 2 and dock are meaningless, I doubt with the size it is that it will run higher then 10watts to maintain battery life and manage that heat from the small fan profile being as thin as the original switch, it will be nowhere near a 3050 6gb but it doesn’t really need to be for what its trying to do
Finally someone that think this one through. 45W is a lot and 15W more for the dock when HDMI only take about 1.5W is very interesting. Either the chip has more that the supuse 1536 core or the clock are very high if you look at Nvidia spec sheet that wattage is closer to the 2048 cuda core with 32Gb of RAM.... something tell me is more to this chip that what the leaks are saying.
i would expect around 3,4 teraflops in docked mode (and half of it in handheld mode). but it has also tensor cores for DLSS and even a few RT cores. So it should be around XBox Series S all in all, a bit weaker but with more ram and much better "upscaler". Nintendos games will look fantastic, and it will be able to run many or all next gen games (ported down). CPU will be weaker though.
People who say "Nintendo doesn't do this and that" TECHNOLOGY EVOLVES. It gets cheaper every year, why do you think they were waiting all these years? So their console wouldn't cost 500$ To have a 9th Gen LEAGUE (like not exactly same specs but similar) console for 9th gen games. Specs are "average" for this gen between a Series S and a PS5 more to the side of Series S (XSS 1280 cores S2 1536 PS5 2304 cores) Battery is bigger and so are the double fans.
@Supermetaldave64 good video dave! Yeah I'm thinking nintendo could take that 3050 m chip slap it a little small board with some arms and basically make there own soc!
The switch 2 has to think that with this technology they can surpass the next playstation and xbox’s next system. Nintendo fell behind staying alive too long on the Switch
Nintendo wants a handheld not a home console. They don't need nor can they keep up with Sony and Microsoft in power in that form factor. There's a reason why there are rumors of both Sony and Microsoft making a handheld sometime in the next few years
45w is too much for battery power. Not even the ROG Ally, Steam Deck, and Legion Go consume 45w for TDP. The TDP is more likely 10w in portable mode and 20w under docked mode
thats cool and all but here's hoping they add something new and innovative to the gaming industry with the switch 2, not just more power. nintendo cant forget theyre the only one of the 3 (sony/ms) who push boundries in gaming before they follow suit.
I was hoping the switch 2 to be a portable ps4. If I understand correctly, it is a little above that ? Nintendo made Xenoblade Chronicles X on the wiiu, give them an xbox seris X they will optimize the hell out of it and make cool stuff
@@brandonleemoss Well he probably explain that in the video, but he uses words that I don't understand. Imagine Joe Biden watching this video, that's me. I don't know what a Terra flop is and at this point I'm to afraid to ask
@@valygomu PS4 and Slim has1.84 TFLOPS PS4 Pro has 4.2 TFLOPS I think the switch to was about 4 teraflops so that would put it around the PS4 pro but it has much more advanced architecture and it will have a lot more RAM so it will be able to use a lot more textures in renderers at one time. And that's not even factoring in the dlss
@@valygomu basically handheld the switch to would be stronger than the PS4 And doc mode it would be like having a PS4 pro + extra graphical enhancements
@@valygomu Don't worry about TFlops. They ultimately don't mean much of anything in the grand scheme of things, especially when you compare it across generations or different vendors. 15 TFlops for an Nvidia Ampere GPU isn't the same as 15TFlops of an AMD RDNA 3 GPU. Best way to look at it is with the PS5 vs the Xbox Series X. PS5 has 10.28 TFlops while the Xbox Series X has 12TFlops. Most games look just about the same and perform about the same. PS5 also often outperforms the Xbox Series X despite the lower TFlops
Hmmmm a 3050 laptop plays a modern demanding game like Alan Wake 2 @ 1080p Low No RT DLSS Balanced at around 45 FPS ... Soooo, here's hoping that the switch 2 is a little bit mode powerful than a 3050 so that can have a better chance at playing modern titles at closer to 60 fps.
This guy has no idea what hes talking about. The switch draws about 16w max in handheld mode. I only see them pushing that up to 20 max. The chargers rating has no connection to the devices power. My phone charges at 100w and used under 4w typically.
**Small Update Please Read (but it's more good news)**
I mistakenly used Tech Power Up for the specs for the RTX 3050 4GB Mobile edition when I should have used Nvidia's official site for the specs here: www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/laptops/compare/30-series/
However, this is actually even better news, since the RTX 3050 Mobile that we discussed as being the heavy likely contender that the Switch 2 GPU is based on, actually has a lower end range of 35 watts and the highest range it can get is 80 watts. So the 45w rating from Tech Power Up is technically correct, the chip can also run lower than 45w. The Switch 2 having a TDP of 45w would still cover this chip within it pretty easy with 1,536 Cuda Cores vs the stock 2048 (helping power draw). I mentioned in the comments below that even if Switch 2 has an 8nm chip (the T239) the 45w TDP would easily support 4 TFLOPS docked with those Cuda Cores and a similar clock speed as the RTX 3050 Mobile, the big question to why most now think it's 4nm (Nvidia 4N) is due to that range of power simply not working for a portable, in docked mode it will be awesome, but 8nm simply wouldn't work well without drastically downclocking the chip very very low to where games that ran amazing while docked (which the 45w power draw supports this theory giving Switch 2 the power needed to spread it's wings and OC for max power) it would theoretically be pretty bad in portable mode.
This is the main reason why 4nm is so heavily assumed at this point for the Switch 2 SOC. For me, I play mainly in docked mode, so from the looks of it, the Switch 2 is going to rock while docked, like no problem, it's the portable mode we'll have to wait and see on. I'm sure it will be fine though either way, but hopefully people can understand more clearly now why 4nm (Nvidia 4N) simply makes the best most logical sense for Nintendo at this point.
As a side note, something I forgot to mention in the video is that the RTX 2050 that Digital Foundry referenced for comparison to the T239 back in late 2023 has a max TDP of 30 watts, so we may be able to rule out that GPU, but not only due to that, but also because of it’s Memory Bus being limited to 64-bit vs the T239’s 128-bit Memory Bus. This actually lends even more credence to the information we covered here for the baseline of the RTX 3050 GPU for Switch 2 being correct, the process of elimination is in full effect.
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*I did the same thing with the calculations. I like to find something that is most accurate, rather than underplaying the comparison. Like the 680m, 780m and 890m from AMD's iGPUs vs a discrete video card.*
*But Nintendo always underclocks hardware. So, I believe it will be MUCH closer to the 3050m. But part of me believes, upon release, it will be more than the 2050, but less than the 3050m. Just following history.*
*It's great that you went all out on your computer. I love seeing that. I had to stop buying top tier PC components. Every 2 years you can spend $3,000+ if you have to keep up with times. It lost its appeal for me. But I've been building top tier rigs since the 80s. (Although, back in the 80s it was more about your modem, RAM and HDDs than 3D accelerators and soundcards, and crazy monitors). LoL!*
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Thank u sir!!
yeah, a mix of a better shrink node and more advanced rt cores in the chip plus the excess ram at a higher speed and bandwidth can make this chip a surprise in terms of efficiency and power, not to say nvidia probably cooked something more custom for nintendo too.
The GOAT for Switch 2 USEFUL videos is back.
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Good one 👍
@@redcrimson1028 I have been following him since the NX days,
Considering the GPU in the PS4 pro was roughly equivalent to a GTX 780, an approx rtx 3050 mobile would be very impressive for the switch 2, it would be more powerful than a ps4 pro, which if they market it that way, then thats a big win for them.
@@craciunator99 3050 mobile is roughly similar to a Series S. Would be really powerful in docked mode. Not sure how good it will be in portable.
@@craciunator99 They Underclocked the Switch GPU even in docked mode so my guess is they gonna dp the same.
@@joebloggs1691 would be huge tbh. Series s sold more than the x because the price to performance is great. But if the switch 2 matches the S I’m selling my S
@DavidBerger-g2h They will, i would expect around 3,4 teraflops in docked mode (and half of it in handheld mode). but it has also tensor cores for DLSS and even a few RT cores. So it should be around XBox Series S all in all, with more ram and better "upscaler". Nintendos games will look fantastic, and it will be able to run many or all next gen games (ported down). CPU will be weaker though.
@@currywurst2434 Listen, with these figures i have no complaints at all. Excited to see how Nintendo exclusive games (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc) will look 🔥
The switch 2 isn’t gonna be running at 45 watts, the actual chip is probably running at 15 watts and then the screen and rest take up another 10 watts. Nintendo cares more about battery life than performance.
What if you're wrong and the Switch 2 has a better battery life with a 1080p LCD screen?
I think the 45 watt max draw is when it’s docked, at which point the screen is largely unused, if at all.
@ the article he posted says 60 watts docked, so 45 watts handheld. I’m not saying it can’t be done because the ROG Ally does 30 watts handheld (probably 15 for the rest of the system) but knowing Nintendo, they’d rather push 15 watts max (25 total) and get 3 hours of battery life using 6 year old technology.
@@jeffmeadows8094 it will never be allowed to go 45 watts handheld, just for heat and it's the same cooler design, you are delusional, it's MAX 45 watts docked, the alst 15 watts are for plugging in controller(s) and the power needed in the hdmi cables as well as the usb c connector of the dock.
bs, my thinkpad takes 7.8w now in total, 14 inch screen..
Wasn't expecting the calculator, but it's definitely appreciated, as someone who's a total newbie when it comes to hardware specs and the like.
Thank you sir. Yeah, I wanted to give more context on how to calculate TFLOPS, normally it wouldn't be so easy, but since Nvidia Ampere is so well known at this point, anyone can do it as long as you know what frequencies to multiply. You can also get the same outcome by multiplying the Cuda Cores x Clock Speed by using decimals instead of whole numbers. So for example: 1.536 x 1.343 x 2 = 4.12 (4.12 TFLOPS). Fun stuff.
There is a lot of hopium in here. Nintendo does old tech, Nintendo goes cheap.
@@Berserkism and thanks to God they do
I love when fanboys turn a negative into a positive. Because they have their whole identify wrapped up in the company and can't allow them to take any hit, because it feels like a hot to themself.
This is you, btw.
You are aware that consoles take years to develop, plan and build right? When the Switch was designed on paper, the Tegra X1 was the most advanced chip available at the time. When it launched, the X2 had just come out. It would have been impossible to just slap an X2 into that existing board. It didn’t use old tech.
Exactly... People never learn
We do know they are doing Ampere as the chip but the 3050 is too much as it draws too much power
Excellent video, Dave! Very excited to see what third-parties have in store for Switch 2. And I agree, this stuff can be more fascinating than seeing games run at max settings on PC.
Thanks man. I updated the pinned comment there is a slight correction I had to make, but it's actually even better news than I thought. These videos get very technical so sometimes that happens. All good stuff though!
Switch 2 with USB 4.0 specs would be gamechanging for Nintendo to offer eGPU dock in the future.
@@WarAlex16 What is an eGPU?
an external GPU
@@hiperhazz Oh okay thanks! That would be sick
That's impossible and won't work. To even think about it is unwise.
@@petit-pedestre2334no one will use that useless feature, too big, too heavy, you need a entire pc psu to use with it.
I just think nintendo would have found a good deal for 8nm and are just cheaping out while clocking the device wayyyy down in handheld
That sounds like something Nintendo would do😂
Bingo. 4nm is out of the question.
It is not Nintendo that choose the node size, but Nvidia when they design the chip with the specs and consume power Nintendo ask them to do.
@@justinmadison513 yes, the number is 5nm.
I think 6nm is the size probably similar to deck hopefully otherwise they will go for 8nm just to make more $$
14:57 AND that the Switch is a custom ARM chip, so it will be much more optimized than trying a game on Windows.
Uh no, the PS4 and XB1 used customized ARM CPUs and PC ports usually ran much better on a midrange PC than in their original form, a custom chip says nothing about performance, only that it's customized to the performance/power/thermal/size restraints of a client. There is no world in which a game running on a tablet runs better than the same game running on a desktop PC on Windows barring some catastrophic programming mishap for the Windows port.
@yellowblanka6058 Yeah but that's the PS4 and Xbox. Switch 2 is a decade and a half later
@@ReveriePass You completely missed my point - custom != more powerful, it's simply customized, and your average PC doesn't have the size/thermal/power limitations that the Switch 2 will have, so again, the contention that Switch 2 games will somehow run better than on a desktop PC is nonsense.
@@yellowblanka6058 I misunderstood, yeah. But you also misunderstood, but I also didn't explain it well. I meant an ARM version of Cyberpunk would run better (a native Switch 2 port) than the windows would on a comparable card.
@@ReveriePass Conceivably, but that would also depend on how powerful the CPU in the Switch 2 is - I remain dubious that would turn out to be the case because even if they could squeeze out a little more performance from NVN/other low level things, they're still going to be relatively limited on CPU power from the mobile nature of the Switch 2 vs. a PC. Really the only metric that matters is performance vs. the original Switch, and if the increase in power is enough to receive downgraded ports of more contemporary games.
Awesome video Dave, glad you go beyond just reading a website page. I got my calculator out lol.
...and the Math works, thought you'd like that.
With all the specs we know
12gb ram LPDDR5X
Nvidia Tegra T239
x8 Cortex A78C 2.0-3.3 GHz
1536 CUDA Cores (slightly behind PS5 over Series S)
Expecting 6 Tflops maximum.
Slightly behind a ps5 in shader count only.
It will be slower than both the ps5 and series s in actual performance.
Chips fabricated by Samsung instead of TSMC. Expect underperfomance at higher wattages.
@@kapler8550 it’ll be quite a bit behind ps5 performance, and probably only reaching near series s performance while docked, which is still very impressive, we also have to take into account that the cpu might be slower by a good bit.
But at the same time, it’ll have more ram than the series s, there could be scenarios where the switch is faster than the series S based just on that.
Are you calculating the total TDP for the switch 2 with the TDP of the 3050? Thats just the graphics chip alone, no CPU, RAM, screen or anything else included.
Yeah. I think the actual switch 2 would be closer to performance of the ps4 pro but portably.
Switch 2 already enough for my gaming need for coming 7 years. I didn't need 4K or 120fps because I'm purely gaming on handheld. 1080p 60fps with decent graphics are enough for me ❤👍🤤
Nice video, your analysis and reaching your conclusion that it may be more of 3050 chip than a 2050 makes sense. Which software is being used around 15:55 to show the analytics?
3050M is misleading to say the least. The tdp and the power distribution would make it closer to a 2050 in performance for a handheld. Still pretty impressive
based on a 3050M? oh hell yes, if used properly Nintendo can help us out with the 3D Zelda franchise finally hitting 60FPS.
This popped up on my home page, awesome video. Earned a sub!
Yo, great video as usual, but i wanna be nitpicky and give a correction lol
The switch 1 does not have a power draw of 39 W. the 18W refers to the system in docked, running a game, when taking extra power to charge the depleted console and joycons + connected to accessories by USB C. In other words, ~18W is the max power draw the switch can ever demand. The 39W refers to the power brick/charger. It’s rated for 39W but never gives all that to the console.
For switch 2, we know from this and also shipping data that the charger is 60W. Even if this ends up being higher than the system needs like before, this would still allow the switch 2 to have a super high TDP. Just not 60W. 45W could be the max for the console entirely for example, which would give a really nice TDP for the CPU/GPU
thanks boss, again great vid
Yeah I quickly said that the Switch 2 Dock will help boost it with all "the other things", but I did imply that it would also help it get to 60w, so I could have separated that better and explain more that 45w was for Switch 2, 60w for the Dock, not one and the same/either or. I did mention that Switch 1 was 18w TDP, but funny enough people have OC'd the Switch OG well past that but that risks damaging the console of course lol. Switch 2 being 45w TDP is wild though don't you think? It's got some massive potential while docked, more in line with a Laptop (like we showed with the RTX 3050 Laptop GPU).
@@SuperMetalDave64 Yeah. When i saw that 60W charger i was thinking; even if it takes that same overhead in terms of the wattage (~20ish W, from the 39W charger and the switch 1 only taking at max 18W) then the switch 2 could take what, 40W at least (for docked + charging at the same time)? Hell it could be a bit higher. So we could get a TDP of like 15W or possibly even higher, which at 4nm would get us some really good power.
That and bandwidth considerations make me think the console has a good shot of hitting 4TFLOPS, even though it’s not a guarantee (ampere GPUs often have about 25 GB/s for each TFLOP, with LPDDR5x it’ll be 120 GB/s, even if 20 GB/s is for the CPU that remaining 100 could be more than enough to serve a 4 TFLOP GPU). It’ll be interesting for sure
@@theboi553do you think its nvidia 4N or samsung 8nm?
@@theboi553 I updated the pinned comment as well. Some more info I had to clarify, I used a 3rd party source in the video instead of Nvidia themselves so I fixed that in the pinned comment, but it's actually even better news. Good stuff.
@@kingdrift1136 there are others who could give a better explained answer here, but 8nm doesn’t seem to make a ton of sense. Even at super low clocks the power draw would still be too high to make sense for handheld mode. If they were gonna use 8nm and clocks that were super low, they would have used a lower number of CUDA cores instead and just clocked those higher. That’d make sense on 8nm, but they didn’t do that. So 4nm makes a ton more sense, and it’d be cheaper to mass produce too.
I just want to play games like Bayonetta 3 with a steady frame rate. Sounds like Switch 2 will deliver.
Same, I also can’t wait to play Totk Zelda and Xenoblade 3 at a steady frame rate.
I dont think that these numbers are quite right here...
The original Nintendo Switch Dock was capable of 40 watts because the original charger itself was rated at 40 Watts.
Did the Switch ever ran at 40 watts?
No it never did.
Theres a Video of digital foundry testing the power consumption of the switch and the v2 Switch (Mariko chip)
The video is called: The New Nintendo Switch Review: 'Mariko' Tegra X1 Tested In Depth!
You can see that the Switch, when fully charged, is using 15 watts of power in docked mode and 7-8 watts in portable.
Yes the switch can do more than 15 watts in docked mode but that headroom is for charging and playing the system. The Soc never used more than 15 Watts.
Now going back to switch 2, the switch 2 maybe has a power brick that is 60 watt capable but it wont use nowhere near 40 or 50 watts for the soc.
Given the power supply is 40% bigger then we can assume the soc power consumption would be 40% higher
So the Switch 2s soc would probably use 20 watts maybe in docked with a 60 watt charger, which makes more sense.
I think that Nintendo will probably use a 5 or 6nm chip and run it at 20 watts in docked which could give us a Performance that would certainly be higher than ps4 but nowhere near a series s Performance (especialy in cpu Performance which Nintendo always cuts back on)
4nm is way to expensive even for Sony and Microsofts console offerings.
And most succesful Nintendo consoles where also affordable since its mostly parents who will end up buying it if the price is right.
Finally someone with common sense. This channel is a clown show.
Great video, as always man
Amazing analysis, man! You deserve a crap ton of credit and views for this. ✌️
Someone get this guy a job at Nintendo
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Great content, great channel
What I want is for Nintendo to enable boost mode while on Handheld when plugged on socket. Aka having docked clocks while playing on handheld mode (Albeit you're plugged on a wall or Powebank)
I highly doubt the SoC will be using 45w of power, my guess is that 45w is for the whole console, not just the cpu /gpu. But I suppose we shall see, nintendo has never been about pushing the envelope hardware power wise, but there is a LOT more competition in the handheld space today, so they have to have something that is much more capable than switch 1, which it certainly looks like this will be. I think a huge win though is having a better cooling dock and letting the clocks get higher in docked mode.
I personally doubt Switch 2 will be 4nm. I still think it will be 8nm
From what i understand individually the chips may be more expensive, but seeing as you can put in twice as many 4nm chips on wafer compared to 8nm chips, volume cuatomers like nintendo would actually save money .
@@rubenjorge138nm with gutted clocks is the realistic bet
@@rubendarioburgosordonez4242 maybe you're right, if it ends up being 4nm would be the best news
I'd bet my left nut it'll be at 8nm. I also bet that in hand held mode it'll pull like 15 watts max, Nintendo is all about battery life when it comes to their hand helds and you know that they'd want their new "Switch" to run longer then their OG "Switch".
Even if it's 8nm, those numbers support the TDP to still get 4 TFLOPS while docked, easily. That wouldn't be an issue at all if the Switch 2 was a Home Console and only played while docked, the issue with 8nm comes into play when you try to take it on the go as a portable. The size, heat, and downgrading of the chip via lowering the clock speeds very very low to get any kind of good battery life would make it something extremely degraded while on the go and games could really struggle to run well at that point (as a portable). That's why so many are now just plainly assuming Nintendo has moved to 4N (Nvidia's version of 4nm).
The leaked data is quite old. There has been plenty of time to tweak the design before it went into mass production.
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@@phant0mdummy Don't you worry mouth breather, I get plenty of oxygen with mine closed.
Don't expect high end tech from Nintendo, they will absolutely cheapen out to lowest hardware to make $$. The performance of switch 2 is more powerful than base ps4 but weaker than ps4 pro. With frame Gen it will outdo the ps4 pro
Man, that Switch 2 is gonna overheat so much with these specs, I wonder how would they fix that problem. Nice and intersting analysis
Very interesting analysis, but it would make much more sense if you had used the information available on Nvidia's website about the Jetson Orin development kits. These kits use ARM chips with GPUs based on the Ampere architecture, which feature core counts ranging from 1,024 to 2,048 and can operate in the range of 930 MHz to 1.3 GHz-an ideal setup for a portable device like the rumored Nintendo Switch 2. Additionally, these kits offer a variety of memory configurations, including 4GB, 8GB, or 16GB, with 128-bit/256-bit LPDDR5 and bandwidths of 51 GB/s, 102.4 GB/s, and 204.8 GB/s. The TDP options range from 10W, 15W, and 25W to higher configurations of 60W and 75W, providing flexibility in performance versus power efficiency. Considering these specifications, they closely align with what one might expect from the hardware of a next-generation Switch, balancing portability with improved performance and graphical capabilities.
You can't really Guage what the graphics will be compared to actual gpus. because console games are far better optimized compared to pc games because they only have to take into account one setup instead of who knows how many different setup combinations in a pc
@@philipjohnson882 yes you can. You can literally reduce the performance capabilities to numbers and compare the specs.
The games running on them is irrelevant. Their optimization for the platform is irrelevant. The capability is what is at question.
Dont ever change that intro. My eye roll back every time
It's going to be a heavily edited 3060, with significant performance drops in handheld mode.
Class video weird i didn't know what you were taking about dont know much when it comes to chips etc but found it fascinating
Great video. Appreciate you putting out some useful analysis. You lay out your reasoning well, unlike the majority of Switch channels, who just spew hot air at every random rumour.
VRR would do well for it's longevity. "nintendo added VRR support to one of it's in-house game engines" 🤞
oo bro we dreaming.
You don't really have much experience with hardware, and a lot of your guesses are dead wrong.
Switch 2 is the same as the Jetson Nano Super that Nvidia just released. 7-15W power draw in handheld and about 30W docked. Performance will be close to the 2050m, nowhere near 3050, let alone 3060 levels at these wattages. Remember, some power goes to the CPU as well, so, we're looking at max 10W for the GPU in handheld, and 20W docked.
dock having extra gpu was found in nintendo patents all the way back during the original switch 1 reveal, iwata talked about having multiple devices powering each other and it seems his vision is being played out with the switch 2, truly brilliant ceo, he left us far too soon, i truly miss him, nintendo isnt the same without him 😢
If Nin is going to have millions of Switch 2 at release I hope its 1st year sale hit 50+ million 😂.
If they can make enough, they might have the biggest 1st year in sales in video game console history. No joke.
Yeah, you can't make millions of consoles with 4nm transistors it might be too much Taiwan can handle lol.
I been waiting for this. I can't wait. The time is almost at nigh. For the reveal of the Switch 2!!
@@ChariotManGaming85 the time is “nigh” is the proper saying.
@@cccthird Lol. That can work as well.
So close to the Switch pro being announced!
You have to consider that if the chip is 4nm then it will be as strong as the 8nm version while consuming less wattage... so if at 8nm it was consuming 45W then maybe at 4nm is consuming 22.5W while offering the same performance. So yeah your calculation needs to assume that plus
where would the Switch 2/an RTX 3050 stand in comparison to the PS4, PS4 Pro and XBOX SERIES S and PS5 in terms of power?
minimum above xbox series S, with DLSS it goes much further, dock having extra power also closes the gap even more
4 teraflops must be 3nm otherwise it will not work with batteries. Apple m1 is 5nm and push 2teraflops
Maybe we can finally play Nintendo games in 1080p lol
Switch 2 SoC is a very custom chip; it’ll most likely be a very Frankenstein‘s monster in terms of the tech in it. Main Cuda cores I wouldn’t doubt would be based on 30 series, but the tensor cores I’d be willing to bet would be 40 series level or even 50 series so Nintendo can stretch the life of the console as long as possible and have it still be relevant. The RT cores will most likely be Nvidia’s 3rd gen RT cores, but the tensor, which will be essential for frame generation and upscaling, I feel like they’re going to be as close to bleeding edge that Nintendo can get them. And if they can get the newest Tensor cores that perform similarly for less physical cores, it would balance out the investment due to having a lower power draw and being able to limp the console along for longer.
Not to mention, having large-capacity batteries now is really starting to take off in the gaming phone or phone space in general due to the new battery tech coming out, like the carbon-silicon-based batteries that have already hit a capacity of 7,000+ milliamp hours in a phone that slides into your pocket.
We are talking about Nintendo. They will not pay for any silicon and tech that would have been available like 4000 series tech. I’m surprised they got even Ampere tech and didn’t go with 2000 series tech but Nvidia probably let Nintendo have it at a decent price and Nintendo probably had Nvidia strip out a lot of stuff only what they needed
No Oled no buy and this is coming from a guy that solely plays games on Switch and had 422 digital games. Don't F us over Nintendo please and at least give us that choice from the get go as i cannot go back to LCD or whatever that other thing was. Anyway good video very informative unlike a lot of those other fake news channels.
a 3050 would actually be really good, I was worried it would be a garbage underpowered old gpu
LETS GO DAVE!
Enjoy the video :)
The CPU is based off of Arm architecture and is an ARM78 8 core CPU. I’m not sure what clock speed Nintendo will clock the CPU. If they low ball it we’re looking at a Ryzen 5 1600. If Nintendo clocks it high it could be an Intel i5 8600k. On the GPU side I would say GTX 1050 performance in portable mode and 1050ti performance while docked. Keep in mind with new API, architecture and DLSS it will greatly outperform those GPU’s with modern games.
So if it's going to use dlss, then it will have to have the hardware based machine learning?
The metroid prime 4 footage still looks like it has rtx to me
Its not gonna be as fast as a higher tdp 3050m, it will be somewhere in between a 2050m and a 75-80w 3050m. It still has considerably less memory bandwidth.
Even if it boosts to 1700-1800mhz it still has less shaders and less bandwidth than the 3050. And at 1700-1800mhz its not clocking any faster than the 3050 in a 75-80w config.
Maybe in the low power configs it might catch up, but those are barely faster than older 1650m chips.
This guy NEVER misses...i love how he wants to be super sure and have decent information before pushing his content out ! A1
Don't we already know it's a T239 by the customs data leak ( which also confirms the 12GB RAM)
Hope it has an OculuLink or egpu PCI4 link to extend its power possibilities.
switch 2 is using a custom NVIDIA GA107S the closest to GeForce MX570
That chip consume only 15W. Switch 2 T239 probably will consume even less.
@@alessandrooliveira3218 tha's the closest thing and the only nvidia chip compatible with arm cpu , the leaks claims the switch will use 18 watts to 42 watts which doesn't make sens
Don't expect any technical marvel from Nintendo, they will pick the absolute lowest hardware but making dlss possible. Basically future Nintendo games will make use of dlss to achieve acceptable performance. If Valve makes a loss selling deck at $350 you can imagine the budget limit of Nintendo. They always sell for profit, hardware itself probably similar to deck gpus but with dlss it seems to be a more capable machine.
They could have released a new dock for switch 1 that allowed egpu for 4k.
It better have HDR on the tablet and of course tv.
But knowing Nintendo, they might not and say it's unnecessary.
But they're a gen behind on some things, so now would be their time to embrace HDR.
I wish you could calibrate the tablet screen as well. The oled was not bad really on accuracy but for sure much too blue.
They need to make the joy cons wider/bigger for people with large hands, they are always to small,adults play this too.
if the switch 2 docked uses 45 watts thats a good sign since the switch 1 docked used like 10 watts btw the 5.5tflop number is multiplied by 2 because of int32 performance so its really half that for the switch 2 since switch dosent use int32
I heard the price may range from $399-$429 because of the Joy-Cons... It also may have 10gigs of Ram not 12gigs
It’s either 8gbs or 12gbs because 10gb mobile memory is unheard of.
@@sinchman1 it is confirmed 12GB of 7500 LPDDR5 Ram
@@Patrick-tw7nr From Nintendo or Nvidia?
"Switch 2 will be in the ballpark range or close to a rtx 3050 graphics card"
This won't happen : 3050 has double cuda core count (3072 vs 1536)
86% higher memory bandwidth (224Gb/s vs 120Gb/s)
3050 is a 9.1 tflops gpu with a 130W tdp, the entire switch 2 (4tflops max in the rumors) will probably consumes a max of 30W in the dock and 5/10W in handheld mode.
3050 is a clearly better and faster gpu than what is in the xbox series s.
I would be happy if the switch 2 in dock performs 50/60% of a 3050, so similar to gtx 1650/rx 470, without the 4gb vram limitation of a gtx 1650 and of course with specific optimizations and the use of dlss which will improve performance further.
The 3050 desktop however is in a completely different category compared to the t239 gpu...
perhaps that's the reason why we see tweets from verified people that we can expect modern triple A games for the Switch 2. plus, considering Nintendo is deepening their relationship with tons of 3rd party studios including the likes of FromSoftware.
I don't think all of this switch 2 information really matters. I remember hearing this on TH-cam. Samus Hunter said the switch 2 retail stores price tag will be between $399.00 - $450.00 dollars. If this is true. The switch 2 will be as powerful as a standard ps4 console or a ps4 pro console. Thank you for the information 🙏.
It's not gonna overclock 45W gpu it's gonna underclock if it's gonna use cpu ram screen and such.
might be a tall ask for a handheld but more than Series S is what I would expect. I mean Series S already was a significant step back from the XB1X. I hope the gap can be closed with good optimization and custom upscalers
Unlikely.
I doubt it. Also the Series S isn't a complete step back. The only things its behind is GPU raw power and RAM amount. Everything else about the XSS is better. Series S also still consumes somewhere around 80-90w under full load. You cannot do that with a hybrid handheld as it's too much for it
This console is about as powerfull as a ps4 pro which came out in 2016. The Switcn 2 is coming out in 2025, so it has as much power as a 9 year old console.
It's not that hard: For any given process and architecture, wattage = performance (mind you that the SOC includes other things like the CPU).
Can someone explain to me how powerful it’ll be in a simple way lol like a basic comparison to another console I can’t really understand
Think of it as a ps4 pro in your palm
Consoles aren't easy to compare as it will have a significantly better CPU and more RAM that is also quicker too. GPU wise I expect somewhere between a PS4 Pro and PS4
@@fenzsly1750 with a way better upscaler
I'm still not seeing any real evidence to suggest that the Switch 2's SoC is built on something other than 8nm but I do very much hope for that to be the case. Your power calculations also seem a bit off as you're only accounting for the GPU whereas the CPU will also use a tiny bit of power as well as the custom file decompression chip which is apparently also on the SoC. What I find interesting about the actual power envelope presented here that not a lot of people are talking about is that the increase in power from Switch 1 to Switch 2 is actually pretty proportional to just how much larger the jump in resolution needs to be.
The OG Switch runs at 720P in handheld mode and 1080P docked, using 6-7W and 15-17W of power respectively. If the Switch 2 does indeed have a 1080P display and is aiming to output at 4K (it likely won't render games at this resolution but instead work more so like the Series S where it'll basically upscale to something akin to 1440P) that would be 4 times the resolution vs the Switch 1 which runs at 2/3rds the resolution in handheld mode as it does docked. If the size of the battery shown from the prototype leak is still fairly accurate then we have to assume that the Switch 2 is designed to pull around the same amount of watts in handheld mode as the Switch 1 but at 1080P but if it can pump all the way up to 45 watts docked that's around 3 times more power than the Switch 1 pulls docked which would make a lot of sense. This also adds to the idea that the Switch 2 has dual fans inside the unit as that layout is common in current PC handhelds that are able to use higher wattages while plugged into power (oddly enough, 33W-45W).
if its pulling such small power in handheld mode, it wont need 2 fans. the other fan has to be in the dock
also ive yet to see a pc handheld that goes past 30w without huge diminishing returns
Its highly unlikely it will be 4nm. That would make it extremely expensive to produce. Nintendo can't afford to put out a $700 console successor.
So are you saying that the switch 2 is just an upgrade to the original like the ps5 pro is to the original
@@Darkstar301 not even close. The new switch will have games only released for the new system. Nintendo waited 8 years for new hardware. Seriously how can you even equate the two?
No but it will be backwards compatible in terms of controllers and game library. Like how PS5 is to PS4
That music is so meganice
What genre is this?
Imagine they introduced it as Nintendo Switch U
It will be LPDDR5X but on 96-bit bus. Pretty much same ~100GB/s bandwidth.
Nope leaks already say it’s on a 128bit bus.
More hyped for Legion Go 2 OLED personally
Yes I am getting excited for Switch 2.
Would this make the Switch (Docked) more powerful than ROG Ally? Ally claims 8.6 teraflops but obviously it’s not comparable to consoles because Ally isn’t even close to PS5 or even Series S in “power”.
That’s not how memory bandwidth vs amount work and even tho the switch was rated for 18w that’s just power delivery the actual switch only used 7-9 watts so those ratings for the switch 2 and dock are meaningless, I doubt with the size it is that it will run higher then 10watts to maintain battery life and manage that heat from the small fan profile being as thin as the original switch, it will be nowhere near a 3050 6gb but it doesn’t really need to be for what its trying to do
Finally someone that think this one through. 45W is a lot and 15W more for the dock when HDMI only take about 1.5W is very interesting. Either the chip has more that the supuse 1536 core or the clock are very high if you look at Nvidia spec sheet that wattage is closer to the 2048 cuda core with 32Gb of RAM.... something tell me is more to this chip that what the leaks are saying.
I bet the actual power usage in docked mode is closer to 20w with the portable mode being somewhere around 10w total just to cut down on heat
Only thing that matters is that Xbox Gamepass will be preloaded on the Switch 2
I doubt that
i would expect around 3,4 teraflops in docked mode (and half of it in handheld mode). but it has also tensor cores for DLSS and even a few RT cores. So it should be around XBox Series S all in all, a bit weaker but with more ram and much better "upscaler". Nintendos games will look fantastic, and it will be able to run many or all next gen games (ported down). CPU will be weaker though.
I’m sure Nintendo is gonna cheap out and take advantage of the new technology of upscale and the generated ai FPS from Invida
So you on board with nvidia now and not Samsung. Welcome to the club.
Can we hope for dlss integrated in the sw2 ?
People who say "Nintendo doesn't do this and that" TECHNOLOGY EVOLVES.
It gets cheaper every year, why do you think they were waiting all these years? So their console wouldn't cost 500$
To have a 9th Gen LEAGUE (like not exactly same specs but similar) console for 9th gen games.
Specs are "average" for this gen between a Series S and a PS5 more to the side of Series S (XSS 1280 cores S2 1536 PS5 2304 cores)
Battery is bigger and so are the double fans.
@Supermetaldave64 good video dave! Yeah I'm thinking nintendo could take that 3050 m chip slap it a little small board with some arms and basically make there own soc!
The switch 2 has to think that with this technology they can surpass the next playstation and xbox’s next system. Nintendo fell behind staying alive too long on the Switch
Nintendo wants a handheld not a home console. They don't need nor can they keep up with Sony and Microsoft in power in that form factor. There's a reason why there are rumors of both Sony and Microsoft making a handheld sometime in the next few years
If its tdp is 45w, im worrying about its battery.
GeForce MX570 consume only 15W. Switch 2 probably will consume less than that.
45w is too much for battery power. Not even the ROG Ally, Steam Deck, and Legion Go consume 45w for TDP. The TDP is more likely 10w in portable mode and 20w under docked mode
thats cool and all but here's hoping they add something new and innovative to the gaming industry with the switch 2, not just more power. nintendo cant forget theyre the only one of the 3 (sony/ms) who push boundries in gaming before they follow suit.
Is it gonna be more powerful than steamdeck?
@@Barelo It would be slightly less powerful than a ps4 pro or equal
Sounds great but is all about power consumption
I was hoping the switch 2 to be a portable ps4.
If I understand correctly, it is a little above that ?
Nintendo made Xenoblade Chronicles X on the wiiu, give them an xbox seris X they will optimize the hell out of it and make cool stuff
I thought the power would be around the PS4 pro, actually I thought it would be higher than that because of its advanced architecture😮
@@brandonleemoss Well he probably explain that in the video, but he uses words that I don't understand.
Imagine Joe Biden watching this video, that's me.
I don't know what a Terra flop is and at this point I'm to afraid to ask
@@valygomu
PS4 and Slim has1.84 TFLOPS
PS4 Pro has 4.2 TFLOPS
I think the switch to was about 4 teraflops so that would put it around the PS4 pro but it has much more advanced architecture and it will have a lot more RAM so it will be able to use a lot more textures in renderers at one time. And that's not even factoring in the dlss
@@valygomu basically handheld the switch to would be stronger than the PS4
And doc mode it would be like having a PS4 pro + extra graphical enhancements
@@valygomu Don't worry about TFlops. They ultimately don't mean much of anything in the grand scheme of things, especially when you compare it across generations or different vendors. 15 TFlops for an Nvidia Ampere GPU isn't the same as 15TFlops of an AMD RDNA 3 GPU.
Best way to look at it is with the PS5 vs the Xbox Series X. PS5 has 10.28 TFlops while the Xbox Series X has 12TFlops. Most games look just about the same and perform about the same. PS5 also often outperforms the Xbox Series X despite the lower TFlops
Hmmmm a 3050 laptop plays a modern demanding game like Alan Wake 2 @ 1080p Low No RT DLSS Balanced at around 45 FPS ...
Soooo, here's hoping that the switch 2 is a little bit mode powerful than a 3050 so that can have a better chance at playing modern titles at closer to 60 fps.
I've built a RTX 3050 with a Ryzen CPU into the PC of my dads holiday home and it runs many current games in 1080p with 60 FPS with DLSS on.
I think modern UE5 and demanding games like Alan Wake 2 might struggle on 3050 to hit 69 fps even with DLSS on. Hope I'm wrong.
I meant 60 not 69 lol
what if Nintendo offers multiple sku's for the dock....one that is basic and one that turns the switch2 into best mode when docked. just a thought.
This guy has no idea what hes talking about. The switch draws about 16w max in handheld mode. I only see them pushing that up to 20 max. The chargers rating has no connection to the devices power. My phone charges at 100w and used under 4w typically.