This video reminds me of Yuro’s guide to the Scharnhorst many moons ago. “It is a d-wagon with semi-auto rifle which is great for gunning down peasants while running away from the authority. AND YOU WILL RUN AWAY FROM THE AUTHORITY.”
@@smilingpolitely12345 Dude not al germans where nazi's. I dont think that many in the kriegsmarine where really nazi's. Just germans fighting for their country.
An addendum to the Glorious and Courageous story, their conversion to carriers gave the Royal Navy four spare 15” twin turrets which were eventually fitted to the Royal Navy’s last battleship H.M.S. Vanguard.
Another great thing that I noticed about the Scharnhorst is that it actually uptiers surprisingly well. Why do I say so? The higher tiers tend to have a lot of large cruisers with big guns. In a higher tier game, you can actually use the Scharnhorst as such. It has guns big enough to punish cruisers, while also having the reload to consistently set fires. Besides, it also has enough range (and a spotter plane) for attacking ships at longer ranges. The only downside of course is that the guns aren't quite as accurate, but well, it's still a tier 7 battleship... it cannot have everything.
The spotter plane also works well as a makeshift radar. It won't light up everything, but it will allow your team to see farther and behind things. There are many times that I've dropped a spotter plane and suddenly my whole team can see those fools who committed to the "death run" on Two Brothers. :). My only complaint is that there aren't more ships with 10-11 inch guns as 8-9 bounces, and 12+ overpens most things.
Look at the lines of the gneisenau. Beautiful looking ship even though it's quite shiite in the game and it's the sister ship of the Sharnhorst. Germany knew how to build beautiful looking ships. I like the look of the Japanese Amagi too.
4:57 Fun Fact: Karl Doenitz actually proposed the Kriegsmarine should have built a bunch of U-Boats and small surface ships, such as destroyers and torpedo boats, ready to sink the Royal Navy's convoys in case war broke out between the Germans and the British as these small vessels are cheaper to build than battleships and battlecruisers. Karl Doenitz also learned from the First World War that their U-Boats were also really good at sinking merchant ships. However, Hitler refused Doenitz's proposal because he pretty much was a megalomaniac when he wanted the Kriegsmarine to build bigger and more powerful warships than the Royal Navy.
I imagine him looking at the comment section and going "waaaaaah!" the traditional UK armed forces response to someone who bites on an obvious falsehood. See also the "Um, Actually" online game show.
That was beautifully played by the Scharnhorst and Serov. I definitely agree about the North Carolina driver, they were probably riding the hype all the way to the collision, lol.
Actually Jingles (tm), your description of commerce raiders applies to the Deutschland class, not the Scharnhorst & Gneisenau. These were designed as fast battleships (a response to Dunkerque and Strasbourg), and the reason they had 11" guns was that naval rearmament was a huge mess and the Germans didn't have time to come up with their 15" turrets in time, so they went with 11" - a caliber that they had lots of experience with - with plans to refit to 8 x 15" (like the Gneisenau in WoWS). That refitting never happened as they never had the spare drydock space for it. Also, when the twins did go out in the Atlantic, the Admiralty had to shut down all convoys until the Germans were back in Brest, resulting in severe disruption of Britain's economic and supply situation. That said, I'm loving the history lesson, for the same reason I love his linguistic lessons: a lot of it's wrong, but it's entertaining. P.S. the French destroyer Guepard is pronounced "Gay - par"
Not sure why he chose to use the port side torps on the Bismark when she was going to cross his bow. Better to take the Bismark's salvo on the bow while turning port to then strike with the starboard torps. Worked out in the end but definitely didn't need to risk it like he did. Solid Kraken all the same
I think the logic was to use the port side torpedoes so that he had the option of going for the starboard side if the first rack didn't secure the kill
@@yashma4187 I agree that that was probably the train of thought. Just in my mind I wouldn't want to risk my broadside like that. If he'd been slightly lower health Bismark would have deleted him before torps could be launched
Wow, just received this ship in a Super Container (literally 5 minutes ago) and then Jingles drops this video. First tier 7 premium as well, pretty good for a f2p
I love it when Jingles goes on a good history ramble. Although it was PQ17 that got into trouble. Rather than PQ13. Its also interesting to read, if Karl Donitz had his way, the Kreigsmarine wouldn't have had the battleships they did. He wanted to focus on building submarines....alot of submarines. But alas Hitler wanted a very visible big gun battleship fleet so thats what they got. I fear if they instead focused on churning out better and more numerous submarines, the war would have gone very very differently.
Super enjoyed the explanation of the German WWII naval strategy and its roots in The Great War's strategic defeat. Also, Scharnhorst is my favorite T7. So much fun to play
Actually Jingles, it was PQ-17, not PQ-13. And the High Seas Fleet did venture out again after Jutland, just not to any effect. It's a common myth though.
Actually Jingles, the Kriegsmarine certainly wanted to build a big battle fleet (the Z plan) - because they were massive noobs. The Scharnhorsts were built for political reasons due to the London Naval Treaty - the navy for a moment had Hitler's favour and the Ok from the British to build some capital ships. So they built the biggest they could with the money and tech available - so 11" guns as 15"s were not yet available. In an ideal world they would rather have waited, and always intended to convert then to 15". When WWII did break out, the KM conducted raider warfare as it was the only choice for the surface fleet. By accident rather than design, Scharnhorst and Gneisenau turned out to be rather good at it.
The Scharny was my first premium, I was offered 50% off by WG, as a new player. I wasn't a very good player, but had some pretty awesome games just because of its toughness. It's still my highest kill ship (7 kills, about 2 years after I got it) and still enjoy it, but I play it a lot better.
Jingles just gives a sh*t about details. Guess he couldn't be bothered to care even if Queen Charles II was going to knight him in Buckingham fountain (wich is in Santiago btw).
4:30 I'm not sure how any fleet that gets its T crossed twice in the same battle and as a result gets shot so full of holes that they barely managed to (mostly) limp back to port can count Jutland as a tactical victory.
8:45 Actually, it did sail. They just turned around after the scattered. The Germans obviously knew that the British will know when the Tirpitz moves and where it will move. So they pretty much used it to their advantage.
The issue with the HSF was it was big enough to threaten the RN's dominance but wasn't strong enough to truly defeat it. As for Germany not thinking about the same thing in WW2, I'll just say Plan Z. And in regard to PQ17, the heavies could probably have taken Tirpitz. Pound however was suffering from a brain tumour I believe and that affected his decision making accordingly.
Jingles - other WW1 naval battles include the Battle of Heligoland Bight and the Battle of Dogger Bank - both significant battles (much bigger than the fracas at the Falkland Islands).
Don’t be so silly. It’s going to be a CV-BB-Sub-Cruiser-DD-Tier 12 class. Very special, expensive, and they double-pinky-swear promise that’s the end of silly ship money-grabs. 🤨
Jutland ended up being much worse for Germany since the UK was able to get all their damaged ships repaired and fighting again within 6 months while Germany couldn't get even lightly damaged ships back to sea again for 18 months or longer.
The Scharnhorsts were built to counter the Dunkerque class. They were fitted with 11" guns(not the same gun though )like the Deutschland-class to not anger Britain. They were based on German WW1 battlecruiser designs due to the fact that german shipyards no longer had any experience in building capital ships. All in all they were pretty good ships, but they were never intended to raid British shipping. This was demonstrated quite well when HMS Renown chased both of them off in an artic storm.
I remember outplaying a scharnhorst in an Arizona because he kept firing ap at me so I would angle bounce his shells and then dump 12 14 inch shells into his upper works.
It's also worth noting on Jutland that while the German navy escaped with fewer outright losses, most of their battle line were floating wrecks needing substantial dockyard time. The Germans came out of that battle fully aware that a slightly better fuse on the British side leaves well over half their battle line on the bottom of the North Sea. They had absorbed hits at something like a 10 to 1 rare through much of that battle once the bulk of the Grand Fleet under Jellicoe joined the battleship action.
the high seas fleet was back at the north sea at august... no substantial dockyard time. and the story that they never sailed after jutland is also false
@@karlchenkarolinger5799Most of their damaged ships needed substantial dockyard time, at least one even needed refloating. The British fleet was up to the same strength in two weeks and as displayed by the Bayern gunnery tests, the Germans were exceedingly lucky that Jellicoe was too busy with other matters to follow up on the faulty shells after he took command of the Grand Fleet.
The Scharnhorst was one of the first Premium ships I won in a player ran forum contest. RIP the good ol' forum contests. You must remember the Scharnhorst is listed as a Battleship, she must be played like a cruiser but The Shiny Horse thinks she is a Destroyer. I just wish they would fix her main guns accuracy because I've seen some weird stuff from those 11inch rifles. Like missing a broad side cruiser from close range with the front guns and drilling a Battleships Citadel at almost max range with the rear gun. AT The Same TIME!?!?!
The Sharnhost seems to be popular in brawls right now. Makes it impossible for my Lightning and the Leander I got paired with repeatedly, to even have a ghost of a chance.
What Jingles says in this video regarding why the Scharnhorst was produced and what the British did in response makes it sound like the German combat operation Rheinubung was devised in response to the British stationing battleships and fleets in the Atlantic. For those unaware, Rheinubung was the German combat operation that the Bismarck took part in, alongside the Prinz Eugen. It was initially supposed to be the Bismarck, Tirpitz, Gneisenau and Scharnhorst cruising around in the Atlantic bullying Allied fleets and convoys, but the Tirpitz wasn't completed in time, the Gneisenau was damaged by a torpedo attack and later bombed while in dry dock, and the Scharnhorst required a boiler overhaul, as her boilers were found to be in worse condition than anticipated. The Fleet Chief of the Kriegsmarine, who was leading the combat operation, wanted to delay it until either the Tirpitz or the Scharnhorst became available, but the German Naval High Command, commanded by one Erich Raeder, ordered them to proceed on schedule and the Bismarck had only the Prinz Eugen to assist them.
I love my Sharny Win rate 57.14% Records - Experience 3,319;Damage 153,910; Destroyed warships 5; Aircraft Destroyed 25; Warships spotted 4; Damage upon spotting 110,571. The Sharny is a great flank kiting BB as shown in the video.
i do think the turn to the right at the end was a mistake, even if he didn't want to go for the ram - turning left also allows him to get the torpedoes away without exposing quite as much broadside. that said, still a great game!
8:20 Think you are getting your PQs mixed up, Jingles ol' boy. PQ13 successfully made it to Murmansk with the loss of 5 freighters and one escort, with the cruiser HMS Trinidad damaged. It was PQ17 that suffered almost total annihilation at the hands of the U-boats and Luftwaffe, due to the 'implied' threat of Tirpitz. Pretty sure it was 4, not 2, of Byzantineblades team who got more base XP than the Bismark and Nebraska, as both the Gepard and N. Carolina score over 1400 base, as opposed to the Bismark and Nebraskas 1200+ base.
I still love how every other Nation except the one that build the ship still classifies the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau as Battlecruisers rather than Battleships like the German Navy did
Quick question might overlord. Are the ports that are rendered at the beginning of battles and on players ship select screens based on real locations. I very much enjoyed your flight simulator tour of ports that you had been while you were in the Navy. So if anyone would know you would.
Tirpitz DID sortie against PQ17. I don't know why but it is something you see in a lot of accounts about PQ17, the idea that the surface threat against was largely imaginary and that Tirpitz stayed safe in harbour all the time. Make no doubt, PQ17 was a major screwup by Admiral Pound and the RN with consequences way beyond the loss of 2/3rds of the convoy - but the threat was very real. The Germans threw pretty much every surface vessel they had against PQ17 - they sortied 2 major surface combatant groups - Tirpitz, Hipper and 4xDDs left Trondheim on the 2nd, Lutzow, Scheer and 5xDDs left Narvik on the 3rd and their objective was the destruction of PQ17. Things went wrong for the Germans almost immediately with Lutzow and most of Tirpitz's DD escort running aground on rocks. Now the RN didn't exactly know where Tirpitz & Hipper had gone to - but they knew they had headed north, and it was unlikely to be for the scenery (which is beautiful btw) At the time the scatter order was given (22:00 on the 4th) the remnants of both surface groups has assembled in Altenfjord, but that is right up at the northern tip of Norway. The convoy was just north of Bear Island at the time and Bear Island to Altenfjord is only about 10-12 hours steaming for the big ships if they put their foot down. Indeed on the 5th the entire group (1xBB, 2x CA and 7x DD) were given final permission to attack and left the fjord - heading for the now scattered PQ17, but after about 6 hours the germans lost their nerve and recalled them again. It was a major effort by the Germans, they blew 3x months fuel supply on the operation, and it was mainly the very convoluted and cautious command structure for the operation that meant there was not a major engagement between the 2x surface combat groups and the RN covering force. Although ironically they ended succeeding in spite of themselves.
How can I put the emblem on my ship, I collected all of the German cruisers/BBs collection but don’t know how to make them appear on the bow like this Scharnhorst ?? Thx guys
Yes Jingles, before WW1, the French Navy was close to none existent, at least compared to Germany. The entire French Navy had less broadside weight then just the German Battlecruisers. And most of their ships were either terrible, old or terrible and old. So while the Kaiserliche Marine was almost equal to the RN, they were so far beyond the French Navy....
well there is another spot, why the germans had the scharnhorst and gneisenau used 11inch(28cm) guns. Versailles (WW1 End.Treaty) only allowed them to maintain 6 older predeadnaught class ships, and they were armed with 11inchers. So germany could not build any gun with a bigger caliber (they could remake and improve the 11ers, but nothing bigger)- they had planed to use the 15inch on both, but the war and problems within krupp (the manufactorer) made that impossible-at the end they designed both ship with the idea of swaping out the tripple11 for dual15s asap. But only gneisenau got those at the end of the war. Scharnhorst was sunk, befor they got to that. (by Duke of York- another Ship available in WoW)
Here's a scary hypothetical matchmaking fail to purge you night of sleep, a tier 8 battle against Kaga, Indomitable, Nebraska, Ise, Tone, U-190, Salmon, and whatever else fills the enemy team slots.
Hitler was never a Corporal. Corporal is a Unteroffizier in the German Army Bundeswehr/formerly known as Wehrmacht He was a Gefreiter, which is a Private maybe a Private first Class. When i left the Bundeswehr i was an Obergefreiter, and all other drafter Soldiers left the Bundeswehr with that rank. Which means, every drafted soldier of today outranks Hitler, by one rank. ;)
The Korporal got recently reintroduced. It is however a not an NCO but the highest enlisted (Manschafter) rank. Hindenburg used to refer to Hitler as the Bohemian corporal.
WG always did this ship dirty by making her T7. The Scharnhorst class are most definitely battlecruisers, sure some will argue that by their armor they are battleships but that ignores the two most salient points: 1. They were built to hit a target weight of 27k tons and 2.. German practice was to give up gun size to retain armor protection as much as possible with their BCs when amping up their speed. Could they have built them with 15 inch guns? Sure they could have stripped shore defenses reusing 15/45 from WW1 or just made new to that design but they went with the improved 11 inch because of easier logistics with the Deutchlands . They could have also delayed construction to take advantage of the full 35k tons they were allowed to build and gotten something the size of the Gneisenau in game, 750 tons more armor (think greater than 50MM deck and about 100MM upper belt), and the 15/45 guns. Instead they stuck with trying to hit 27k and missing it by 4000 or so tons and telling the British that they were BC's. Now before you say that the Germans called them BB's at home... they could have called them raspberry tarts for the same kind of domestic political reasons. The guns are quite bouncy in game though they absolutely should NOT be.. I remember watching Jingles trying to punch through the belt of a New Orleans at about 70 degrees and it ricocheting all over the place at 10km. Thing is we know from prewar live fire testing that at that range and angle they would punch through 348mm of armor. This should have been the T8 BC but WG goes well out of their way to deliberately insult some historic ships
I don't recall for sure, but didn't the between-wars treaties limit the German navy to 11 inch guns? The German plan was for the 11 inchers on Scharnhorst and her sister to be replaced with 15s as war approached.
More like they didn't have the experience or industry knowledge to build bigger guns yet. The KM was basically trying to relearn everything the HSF had, including ship design and building. This is why KM ships were rather inefficient in terms of design. Also the Gneisenau in game was what the 15in conversion would have been.
@@jaredthehawk3870 "the Treaty of Versailles, which initially limited German battleships to 10,000 tons and 11 inch main battery guns". Which is what the "pocket battleships" were meant to conform to. In 1935 Germany was limited (Anglo-German treaty) to 35000 ton BB, which is where Scharnhorst and sister come in.
@LewisPulsipher not quite, they stuck to the smaller caliber as to not to provoke the British too much. The Anglo German Naval Treaty of 1935 allowed the German Navy guns a maximum of 16in. However developing bigger guns would take time (all the data from the High Seas Fleet had been lost), and bad mustache man wanted ships now, so they had to settle for the smaller caliber already in use by the Deutschlands.
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This video reminds me of Yuro’s guide to the Scharnhorst many moons ago. “It is a d-wagon with semi-auto rifle which is great for gunning down peasants while running away from the authority. AND YOU WILL RUN AWAY FROM THE AUTHORITY.”
yes. a much under-appreciated You-tube episode.
With my 10yrs of expertise in historical naval warfare, I can say that Scharnhorst is definitely a battlestar
Yeah buddy I would disagree , that was a nazi ship operated by nazi sailors , that aided nazi ragime ... and at the end got sunk = he was a looser .
@@smilingpolitely12345 Dude not al germans where nazi's. I dont think that many in the kriegsmarine where really nazi's. Just germans fighting for their country.
@@smilingpolitely12345at least it wasn't soviet
@@rohesilmnelohe ...soviet , nazi same shit , they where ally after all ...
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Look at the spray that Atlantic bow is creating. Art department on their A game as per usual
Sadly, that's about the only praise you can give WG these days (years).
I noticed it, too!
Just super cool.
Common Art Department W
An addendum to the Glorious and Courageous story, their conversion to carriers gave the Royal Navy four spare 15” twin turrets which were eventually fitted to the Royal Navy’s last battleship H.M.S. Vanguard.
Not just the Royal Navy's last battleship, I believe she was the last battleship *ever* made.
Jingles, It was PQ-17 that was “scattered” as a result of the (non-actual) threat of the Tirpitz sortie ing against the Murmansk bound convoy.
Heh, the Scharnhorst practically made a circle around the entire map. Using mobility to its best. Well played.
Love this ship as well.
Another great thing that I noticed about the Scharnhorst is that it actually uptiers surprisingly well. Why do I say so? The higher tiers tend to have a lot of large cruisers with big guns. In a higher tier game, you can actually use the Scharnhorst as such. It has guns big enough to punish cruisers, while also having the reload to consistently set fires. Besides, it also has enough range (and a spotter plane) for attacking ships at longer ranges. The only downside of course is that the guns aren't quite as accurate, but well, it's still a tier 7 battleship... it cannot have everything.
It's also tanky and slippery enough for it to not be focused by higher tier BBs like a Colorado or Kansas would
The spotter plane also works well as a makeshift radar. It won't light up everything, but it will allow your team to see farther and behind things. There are many times that I've dropped a spotter plane and suddenly my whole team can see those fools who committed to the "death run" on Two Brothers. :). My only complaint is that there aren't more ships with 10-11 inch guns as 8-9 bounces, and 12+ overpens most things.
@@hashteraksgage3281 and if played correctly those torps can surprise enemies and add a edge in bb brawls. Lol just don’t go Leroy on it haha
Scharnhorst matches up quite well the the tier IX super-cruisers.
@@grahamstrouse1165 That's the point. When bottom tier, it's basically a tier 9 super cruiser that takes a battleship slot.
Does anyone else think that the Schanhorst is a really nice 'looking' ship?
I used to not care for the german designs earlier but theyve definetely grown on me and i think a lot of them look great nowadays. great proportions
Look at the lines of the gneisenau. Beautiful looking ship even though it's quite shiite in the game and it's the sister ship of the Sharnhorst. Germany knew how to build beautiful looking ships. I like the look of the Japanese Amagi too.
Why did you put "looking" in quotation marks?
@@gmansplit 'cause my diction ain't good. 😉
Yes!
4:57
Fun Fact: Karl Doenitz actually proposed the Kriegsmarine should have built a bunch of U-Boats and small surface ships, such as destroyers and torpedo boats, ready to sink the Royal Navy's convoys in case war broke out between the Germans and the British as these small vessels are cheaper to build than battleships and battlecruisers. Karl Doenitz also learned from the First World War that their U-Boats were also really good at sinking merchant ships. However, Hitler refused Doenitz's proposal because he pretty much was a megalomaniac when he wanted the Kriegsmarine to build bigger and more powerful warships than the Royal Navy.
It was convoy PQ17 not PQ13. Never change Jingles
beat me to it. Although PQ13 did have it's own moment in history.👍
Umm Actually Jingles...🤣🤣🤣
@jamesfisher5233 curious to know if you looked it up or knew about it before hand? I had no clue until I saw your comment
@@MadmanJnr Read about it back when Jingles was probably still a fresh seaman. (sp!, I am not *that* old. ;-) )
I imagine him looking at the comment section and going "waaaaaah!" the traditional UK armed forces response to someone who bites on an obvious falsehood. See also the "Um, Actually" online game show.
That was beautifully played by the Scharnhorst and Serov. I definitely agree about the North Carolina driver, they were probably riding the hype all the way to the collision, lol.
Actually Jingles (tm), your description of commerce raiders applies to the Deutschland class, not the Scharnhorst & Gneisenau. These were designed as fast battleships (a response to Dunkerque and Strasbourg), and the reason they had 11" guns was that naval rearmament was a huge mess and the Germans didn't have time to come up with their 15" turrets in time, so they went with 11" - a caliber that they had lots of experience with - with plans to refit to 8 x 15" (like the Gneisenau in WoWS). That refitting never happened as they never had the spare drydock space for it.
Also, when the twins did go out in the Atlantic, the Admiralty had to shut down all convoys until the Germans were back in Brest, resulting in severe disruption of Britain's economic and supply situation.
That said, I'm loving the history lesson, for the same reason I love his linguistic lessons: a lot of it's wrong, but it's entertaining.
P.S. the French destroyer Guepard is pronounced "Gay - par"
Woo nothing like Jingles to end the night
or start the day...
@@lcarus42truly the channel where the sun never sets
It's 5:33 am.... well over here 😂😅
@@chriszaiserfor me it's 3:17 at the time of upload lol
Giggity
Not sure why he chose to use the port side torps on the Bismark when she was going to cross his bow. Better to take the Bismark's salvo on the bow while turning port to then strike with the starboard torps. Worked out in the end but definitely didn't need to risk it like he did. Solid Kraken all the same
I think the logic was to use the port side torpedoes so that he had the option of going for the starboard side if the first rack didn't secure the kill
@@yashma4187 I agree that that was probably the train of thought. Just in my mind I wouldn't want to risk my broadside like that. If he'd been slightly lower health Bismark would have deleted him before torps could be launched
Wow, just received this ship in a Super Container (literally 5 minutes ago) and then Jingles drops this video. First tier 7 premium as well, pretty good for a f2p
Congrats. Enjoy.
Wow. Almost 4 years and never a single ship from super containers.
Noice!
nice, i just keep getting awful low-tier soviet premiums from them lol
Always enjoy watching this ship. It’s such a beautiful ship
I love it when Jingles goes on a good history ramble. Although it was PQ17 that got into trouble. Rather than PQ13.
Its also interesting to read, if Karl Donitz had his way, the Kreigsmarine wouldn't have had the battleships they did. He wanted to focus on building submarines....alot of submarines. But alas Hitler wanted a very visible big gun battleship fleet so thats what they got. I fear if they instead focused on churning out better and more numerous submarines, the war would have gone very very differently.
no, more or less the same concerning Allied technology especially by 1943
Did anyone else notice the new graphics, of the waves crashing over the bow? Good job WoW!!
Jingles: "It has certain limitations"
Me: "And a man has got to know it's limitations"
Harry Callahan ?
@@fruxyeah1780 As Teal'c would say.... "Indeed"
Love this video and the historical background, this is why Jingles is a star!
Super enjoyed the explanation of the German WWII naval strategy and its roots in The Great War's strategic defeat. Also, Scharnhorst is my favorite T7. So much fun to play
I just know everyone was rooting for a cool Flesh Wound torpedo run by the end.
Man I missed these style of Jingles' WoWs replays! Bravo Mr. Carlton! Bravo! May we have some more please?!
Actually Jingles, it was PQ-17, not PQ-13. And the High Seas Fleet did venture out again after Jutland, just not to any effect. It's a common myth though.
Actually Jingles, the Kriegsmarine certainly wanted to build a big battle fleet (the Z plan) - because they were massive noobs.
The Scharnhorsts were built for political reasons due to the London Naval Treaty - the navy for a moment had Hitler's favour and the Ok from the British to build some capital ships. So they built the biggest they could with the money and tech available - so 11" guns as 15"s were not yet available. In an ideal world they would rather have waited, and always intended to convert then to 15".
When WWII did break out, the KM conducted raider warfare as it was the only choice for the surface fleet. By accident rather than design, Scharnhorst and Gneisenau turned out to be rather good at it.
Thank You Jingles !!!🎉
The sun shines, and there is a new Jingles video. It's better than an Hamlet cigar ad!
Love the history lessons by Jingles! Really interesting to listen to him :D
Seems like it's been a while - often a little bit of Jingly misinformation in them, but great backdrop to the battle being played. :)
always love the history lesson from professor jingles
The Scharny was my first premium, I was offered 50% off by WG, as a new player. I wasn't a very good player, but had some pretty awesome games just because of its toughness. It's still my highest kill ship (7 kills, about 2 years after I got it) and still enjoy it, but I play it a lot better.
It's the TOP FOUR on the winning team, not top two...
I begin to think Jingles is doing these fails intentionally to get more comments 😂
He's an attention wh**e for sure! 🤣
you asume english education system is capable of teaching them how to count properly ? :D
Well actually... I think you might be right 😆
Jingles just gives a sh*t about details. Guess he couldn't be bothered to care even if Queen Charles II was going to knight him in Buckingham fountain (wich is in Santiago btw).
4:30 I'm not sure how any fleet that gets its T crossed twice in the same battle and as a result gets shot so full of holes that they barely managed to (mostly) limp back to port can count Jutland as a tactical victory.
just ask admiral Hood
by tonnage and by sailors lost. depending on source, GB lost 113,300 and the germans lost 62,300. In terms of sailors, GB lost 6748 and Germany 3039.
Supporting jingles!
I THINK it was PQ17, that got the infamous "convoy will scatter" order/
8:45 Actually, it did sail. They just turned around after the scattered.
The Germans obviously knew that the British will know when the Tirpitz moves and where it will move.
So they pretty much used it to their advantage.
Love getting the history lesson on the scharnhorst! :)
Another great video! Tks! I love the historic stories you include in the videos. It really sets you apart from just a regular WOW review.
*"Similar to the Gneisenau"*
Yes, they're the same class. Jingles moment
The issue with the HSF was it was big enough to threaten the RN's dominance but wasn't strong enough to truly defeat it.
As for Germany not thinking about the same thing in WW2, I'll just say Plan Z. And in regard to PQ17, the heavies could probably have taken Tirpitz. Pound however was suffering from a brain tumour I believe and that affected his decision making accordingly.
Sharnhorst and the Bismarck are everything the German BB tech line should be. But I prefer the Scharnhorst, its such a stunner of a ship.
I appreciate the history lessons that you give during gameplay.
Ahhh…a Jingles post late during a hot California night…glorious
When i play this ship i run it like a cruiser and like to brawl at times, i really like this ship.
Old boy coming through with the goods, keep up the good work!
"The Little Austrian Corporal" is one of the most generous descriptions and, simultaneously, derogatory descriptions I have ever heard used.
Love getting history with these videos
Jingles - other WW1 naval battles include the Battle of Heligoland Bight and the Battle of Dogger Bank - both significant battles (much bigger than the fracas at the Falkland Islands).
i love the history lessons from jingles vidoes
As always jingles you speak from the heart and experience. Thanks much !!!!!!!!//!
One of your best Videos! Love you! Grüsse aus Deutschland!
Actually Jingles.... Wargamings latest trick is to bring air craft carrier submarine hybrids into the game. Yes, they are actually doing that.
Don’t be so silly. It’s going to be a CV-BB-Sub-Cruiser-DD-Tier 12 class. Very special, expensive, and they double-pinky-swear promise that’s the end of silly ship money-grabs. 🤨
Jutland ended up being much worse for Germany since the UK was able to get all their damaged ships repaired and fighting again within 6 months while Germany couldn't get even lightly damaged ships back to sea again for 18 months or longer.
The Scharnhorsts were built to counter the Dunkerque class. They were fitted with 11" guns(not the same gun though )like the Deutschland-class to not anger Britain.
They were based on German WW1 battlecruiser designs due to the fact that german shipyards no longer had any experience in building capital ships.
All in all they were pretty good ships, but they were never intended to raid British shipping. This was demonstrated quite well when HMS Renown chased both of them off in an artic storm.
Nicely done!
That outlook sound was making me go crazy, kept checking my email lol
Oh I remember when you played as the Furious and Acasta in your Cold Waters video. How time has passed..
"the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau are actually very similar." Well Jingles, its funny you should say that....
Random challenge, how many years until Jingles gets a screen where he can still read the results when he's editing a video?
Great video, thanks!
I remember outplaying a scharnhorst in an Arizona because he kept firing ap at me so I would angle bounce his shells and then dump 12 14 inch shells into his upper works.
Funfact: Germans still pay a tax on sparkling wine, that was introduced by Kaiser Wilhelm II. for his fleet and the Kaiser-Wilhelm-Kanal.
Just seen jingles appear on a BBC news article for the bovingtons youtube article :)
It's also worth noting on Jutland that while the German navy escaped with fewer outright losses, most of their battle line were floating wrecks needing substantial dockyard time. The Germans came out of that battle fully aware that a slightly better fuse on the British side leaves well over half their battle line on the bottom of the North Sea. They had absorbed hits at something like a 10 to 1 rare through much of that battle once the bulk of the Grand Fleet under Jellicoe joined the battleship action.
the high seas fleet was back at the north sea at august... no substantial dockyard time. and the story that they never sailed after jutland is also false
@@karlchenkarolinger5799Most of their damaged ships needed substantial dockyard time, at least one even needed refloating.
The British fleet was up to the same strength in two weeks and as displayed by the Bayern gunnery tests, the Germans were exceedingly lucky that Jellicoe was too busy with other matters to follow up on the faulty shells after he took command of the Grand Fleet.
The Scharnhorst was one of the first Premium ships I won in a player ran forum contest. RIP the good ol' forum contests.
You must remember the Scharnhorst is listed as a Battleship, she must be played like a cruiser but The Shiny Horse thinks she is a Destroyer. I just wish they would fix her main guns accuracy because I've seen some weird stuff from those 11inch rifles. Like missing a broad side cruiser from close range with the front guns and drilling a Battleships Citadel at almost max range with the rear gun. AT The Same TIME!?!?!
Jingles murders players names like a battleship murders light cruisers.
I like best the Jingles narrated and produced videos wherein historical context is contained.
The Sharnhost seems to be popular in brawls right now. Makes it impossible for my Lightning and the Leander I got paired with repeatedly, to even have a ghost of a chance.
What Jingles says in this video regarding why the Scharnhorst was produced and what the British did in response makes it sound like the German combat operation Rheinubung was devised in response to the British stationing battleships and fleets in the Atlantic.
For those unaware, Rheinubung was the German combat operation that the Bismarck took part in, alongside the Prinz Eugen. It was initially supposed to be the Bismarck, Tirpitz, Gneisenau and Scharnhorst cruising around in the Atlantic bullying Allied fleets and convoys, but the Tirpitz wasn't completed in time, the Gneisenau was damaged by a torpedo attack and later bombed while in dry dock, and the Scharnhorst required a boiler overhaul, as her boilers were found to be in worse condition than anticipated. The Fleet Chief of the Kriegsmarine, who was leading the combat operation, wanted to delay it until either the Tirpitz or the Scharnhorst became available, but the German Naval High Command, commanded by one Erich Raeder, ordered them to proceed on schedule and the Bismarck had only the Prinz Eugen to assist them.
I love my Sharny Win rate 57.14% Records - Experience 3,319;Damage 153,910; Destroyed warships 5; Aircraft Destroyed 25; Warships spotted 4; Damage upon spotting 110,571. The Sharny is a great flank kiting BB as shown in the video.
Wow WTF, that Nebraska turning quick like a cruiser.
Very interesting to watch!😊
Good Ol’ Shiney Hoss, making medium to baby size reefs since 1939
The Shiny Horse rides again!!!
i do think the turn to the right at the end was a mistake, even if he didn't want to go for the ram - turning left also allows him to get the torpedoes away without exposing quite as much broadside. that said, still a great game!
8:20 Think you are getting your PQs mixed up, Jingles ol' boy. PQ13 successfully made it to Murmansk with the loss of 5 freighters and one escort, with the cruiser HMS Trinidad damaged. It was PQ17 that suffered almost total annihilation at the hands of the U-boats and Luftwaffe, due to the 'implied' threat of Tirpitz.
Pretty sure it was 4, not 2, of Byzantineblades team who got more base XP than the Bismark and Nebraska, as both the Gepard and N. Carolina score over 1400 base, as opposed to the Bismark and Nebraskas 1200+ base.
18:34 Jingles moment.🙂
I still love how every other Nation except the one that build the ship still classifies the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau as Battlecruisers rather than Battleships like the German Navy did
The Scharnhorst was the epitome of the majority of German surface ship fleet design... to destroy supply lines, not for major surface engagements
Ah, a secret history lesson from jingles. Today is a good day.
Quick question might overlord. Are the ports that are rendered at the beginning of battles and on players ship select screens based on real locations. I very much enjoyed your flight simulator tour of ports that you had been while you were in the Navy. So if anyone would know you would.
“There seems to be something bloody wrong with our ships today”.
5 am on the US easy coast, good morning
Tirpitz DID sortie against PQ17.
I don't know why but it is something you see in a lot of accounts about PQ17, the idea that the surface threat against was largely imaginary and that Tirpitz stayed safe in harbour all the time. Make no doubt, PQ17 was a major screwup by Admiral Pound and the RN with consequences way beyond the loss of 2/3rds of the convoy - but the threat was very real.
The Germans threw pretty much every surface vessel they had against PQ17 - they sortied 2 major surface combatant groups - Tirpitz, Hipper and 4xDDs left Trondheim on the 2nd, Lutzow, Scheer and 5xDDs left Narvik on the 3rd and their objective was the destruction of PQ17. Things went wrong for the Germans almost immediately with Lutzow and most of Tirpitz's DD escort running aground on rocks. Now the RN didn't exactly know where Tirpitz & Hipper had gone to - but they knew they had headed north, and it was unlikely to be for the scenery (which is beautiful btw)
At the time the scatter order was given (22:00 on the 4th) the remnants of both surface groups has assembled in Altenfjord, but that is right up at the northern tip of Norway. The convoy was just north of Bear Island at the time and Bear Island to Altenfjord is only about 10-12 hours steaming for the big ships if they put their foot down.
Indeed on the 5th the entire group (1xBB, 2x CA and 7x DD) were given final permission to attack and left the fjord - heading for the now scattered PQ17, but after about 6 hours the germans lost their nerve and recalled them again.
It was a major effort by the Germans, they blew 3x months fuel supply on the operation, and it was mainly the very convoluted and cautious command structure for the operation that meant there was not a major engagement between the 2x surface combat groups and the RN covering force.
Although ironically they ended succeeding in spite of themselves.
Great engaging video
Well done, Byzantine Blade!
In the fight with the Battle with the Glorious,
Only the twins were present.
And soon the I-54 will join the hybrid party and we have a hybrid sub, what a time in WoWs
How about the IJN 400 class subs? Submarine/Aircraft carrier hybrids, not many planes but still something you'd never expect.
@@russward2612 these will possibly be implemented with the next Arpeggio collab
How can I put the emblem on my ship, I collected all of the German cruisers/BBs collection but don’t know how to make them appear on the bow like this Scharnhorst ?? Thx guys
Brilliant!!!!
Love this ship, only wish that they'd add the Azur Lane character to complete the set.
Yes Jingles, before WW1, the French Navy was close to none existent, at least compared to Germany. The entire French Navy had less broadside weight then just the German Battlecruisers. And most of their ships were either terrible, old or terrible and old. So while the Kaiserliche Marine was almost equal to the RN, they were so far beyond the French Navy....
well there is another spot, why the germans had the scharnhorst and gneisenau used 11inch(28cm) guns. Versailles (WW1 End.Treaty) only allowed them to maintain 6 older predeadnaught class ships, and they were armed with 11inchers. So germany could not build any gun with a bigger caliber (they could remake and improve the 11ers, but nothing bigger)- they had planed to use the 15inch on both, but the war and problems within krupp (the manufactorer) made that impossible-at the end they designed both ship with the idea of swaping out the tripple11 for dual15s asap. But only gneisenau got those at the end of the war. Scharnhorst was sunk, befor they got to that. (by Duke of York- another Ship available in WoW)
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Here's a scary hypothetical matchmaking fail to purge you night of sleep, a tier 8 battle against Kaga, Indomitable, Nebraska, Ise, Tone, U-190, Salmon, and whatever else fills the enemy team slots.
USS Cleavland is or was a light cruiser with her 6inchers, so what do you mean was a CL?
The CLEVELAND was my first tier 8 ship, because they moved it up from tier 6.
Hitler was never a Corporal. Corporal is a Unteroffizier in the German Army Bundeswehr/formerly known as Wehrmacht
He was a Gefreiter, which is a Private maybe a Private first Class.
When i left the Bundeswehr i was an Obergefreiter, and all other drafter Soldiers left the Bundeswehr with that rank.
Which means, every drafted soldier of today outranks Hitler, by one rank. ;)
The Korporal got recently reintroduced. It is however a not an NCO but the highest enlisted (Manschafter) rank. Hindenburg used to refer to Hitler as the Bohemian corporal.
WG always did this ship dirty by making her T7. The Scharnhorst class are most definitely battlecruisers, sure some will argue that by their armor they are battleships but that ignores the two most salient points: 1. They were built to hit a target weight of 27k tons and 2.. German practice was to give up gun size to retain armor protection as much as possible with their BCs when amping up their speed. Could they have built them with 15 inch guns? Sure they could have stripped shore defenses reusing 15/45 from WW1 or just made new to that design but they went with the improved 11 inch because of easier logistics with the Deutchlands . They could have also delayed construction to take advantage of the full 35k tons they were allowed to build and gotten something the size of the Gneisenau in game, 750 tons more armor (think greater than 50MM deck and about 100MM upper belt), and the 15/45 guns.
Instead they stuck with trying to hit 27k and missing it by 4000 or so tons and telling the British that they were BC's. Now before you say that the Germans called them BB's at home... they could have called them raspberry tarts for the same kind of domestic political reasons. The guns are quite bouncy in game though they absolutely should NOT be.. I remember watching Jingles trying to punch through the belt of a New Orleans at about 70 degrees and it ricocheting all over the place at 10km.
Thing is we know from prewar live fire testing that at that range and angle they would punch through 348mm of armor. This should have been the T8 BC but WG goes well out of their way to deliberately insult some historic ships
Turning to launch the torps… could easily have ended up a Game of Throws vid! 😂
I don't recall for sure, but didn't the between-wars treaties limit the German navy to 11 inch guns? The German plan was for the 11 inchers on Scharnhorst and her sister to be replaced with 15s as war approached.
More like they didn't have the experience or industry knowledge to build bigger guns yet. The KM was basically trying to relearn everything the HSF had, including ship design and building. This is why KM ships were rather inefficient in terms of design. Also the Gneisenau in game was what the 15in conversion would have been.
@@jaredthehawk3870 "the Treaty of Versailles, which initially limited German battleships to 10,000 tons and 11 inch main battery guns". Which is what the "pocket battleships" were meant to conform to. In 1935 Germany was limited (Anglo-German treaty) to 35000 ton BB, which is where Scharnhorst and sister come in.
@LewisPulsipher not quite, they stuck to the smaller caliber as to not to provoke the British too much. The Anglo German Naval Treaty of 1935 allowed the German Navy guns a maximum of 16in. However developing bigger guns would take time (all the data from the High Seas Fleet had been lost), and bad mustache man wanted ships now, so they had to settle for the smaller caliber already in use by the Deutschlands.