Per usual, f2p players will ALWAYS have to plan ahead and go into things smartly, but I want to point out 2 things to aid my discussion here. 1) f2p players "plan ahead" by knowing what's ahead and as of right now, if Hoyoverse themselves have not announced it, then it's not safe territory to plan around. They have been on super police mode in regards to punishing l3@kers. It's safer to assume f2p players will only know what's coming 1 patch ahead, MAYBE. 2) Just because we know they NEED to plan smartly, doesn't negate whether or not a max output of 80 pulls per patch is better or worse for them in relation to the insanely high guarantee (basically 180 pulls). I think this is worth talking about.
Out of curiosity as f2p players or low budget spenders what types of teams would you recommend going for? I have very little clue as to what will be efficient in regards to early and mid-game teams and what we should hit the ground running in pursuit of out of the gate. I assume do the discounted pulls they are giving us twice and then save all currency for the limited banners.
@@shinrakai Go for high dmg team cause unlike its other game Genshin this ones defenders and healers are not that good. So get 1 or 2 good dps character and after that a support character that gives speed since its turn based you will need speed supp a lot. Also 4 stars in the game are very good so dont have to be obsessed with the 5 stars units. But if ur gonna do rerolling than try to get Seele with Bronya since their combo is insanely broken
Where do you get that number of 80 pulls from? The only thing thats known, as far as I am aware, is that we will get 80 pulls from the release events. But those are split between standart and limited pulls. Just from doing dailies everyday and the event we'd get aroud 45 pulls in a patch, so you're basically saying that all the first time rewards, like all of forgotten halls and exploration is only gonna add up to a total of 35 pulls? Its kinda hard to believe, so I'd really love an explamation.
Any game (gacha) needs good planning. I hate how some people say every game is predatory. I get that some people want every unit, BUT thats not realistic in gacha games. Hoarding is always the smartest move
it kinda is predatory tho? especially with the 50/50 offrate sure getting all characters isn't necessary but even then if some people wanted to get characters they liked the chances theyd have to spend money are pretty high, yeah they could wait for a rerun or whatever but then again the 50/50 and high pity are pretty rough for f2p players. And alright, lets day you hoard enough gems or whatever to guarantee your character you'd have spent so much time grinding the game that by then the banner is already gone, Like Iyo said you'll get up to 80 pulls per patch which isnt even enough to guarantee the 5* pity, sure you could say that thats okay and you're willing to skip a few banners to rely on info from certain sources. but denying that this game and other games like it are predatory is kind of silly, because its designed to take your money especially if you want characters that drop in version 1.0 And I say this as someone who has hundreds of hours in gacha games such as genshin, honkai, ToT, ToF and more
So… I just wanted to put this out there for extra information! I feel like Star Rail is going forward with the Genshin event formula and that can help for people planning ahead. You can calculate your Jade income accordingly: 3 mini events: 420 Stellar Jades 1 main patch event: 800-1200 Stellar Jades. Dailies: 60 Stellar Jades BP: 10 (Instead of Genshin’s 5) standard banner warps. Of course there’s more: character trials, story rewards, overworld exploration etc. Here’s what I don’t know: 1. How much Jade do you get by completing the Forgotten Hall? In the Spiral Abyss, each floor gives 150 primo gems. Is it the same, considering that the number of floors are much larger than Genshin’s measly 8 (one time) + 4 (resets every 2 weeks)? 2. What does the Jade income look like with the simulated universe? Does it give stellar Jade or just level up materials? Tbh, Star Rail is looking much less casual than Genshin. Because no way would the 2nd forgotten hall have 10 whole floors! It’s feels much more grindy. Though when the game comes out, we’ll know the answer, but from what I have heard, during the beta, the players who completed all the content had enough Jade + warps to do 120+ pulls on the limited banner. So if an F2P player is lucky, they may be able to snag a limited banner character. Edit: HOLY! This ended up being a longgg comment. Just one more thing to add, soft pity starts at 74 pulls. In both Genshin and Star Rail.
@@alexandermorgan3469 seems like the gacha system absolutely sucks fat dick compared to everything else in the market. Turn based games should not have a weapon system. Period. Especially with bullshit like elements and paths where I'm basically forced to pull for everyone to keep up. Very discouraging to play this game.
@@alexandermorgan3469 Yes, the game sucks for F2P like Genshin. There are better gachas to play and collect all characters like Pusnishing Gray Raven where you can guarantee your Rank S every patch. In this game we will have to spend something every month. Let's hope that just buying the battle pass will be enough to solve these problems.
The biggest problem for F2P in any gacha game is if, in the worst-case scenario where they miss the target, they can't handle the content with what they have. In this context, Star Rail doesn't have any issues. They already give a solid starter pack... Not getting enough free gems to roll on all banners in a single patch is normal. It happens everywhere. Banners will rerun in the future. If the player isn't confident with his chance on the first try, they should wait for the rerun.
I suggest to try PGR. As f2p you can get every S Rank construct and you can finish every content without signature weapon. Best part you don't have to finish at top for getting max premium currency you only need to play them and you get all of it. I only buy monthly pack and i have every S Rank Construct, you can make them ss by playing pain cage, i have every signature weapon and hell i have reso on the weapons too. It is just plain amazing. Note : I play honkai impact 3 too and if you compare both gacha system PGR is much much more f2p friendly.
@@gokturksaglam9790 hi3 is quite f2p friendly cause you can actually get almost every char for free if you have played the game for at least around 3 years ýou probably already get 99% of unit even as a f2p . Most of stigmata best slot are farmable so you don't really need to pay for it ( only problem is probably weapon because some really make char insane ). PGR is not really much more f2p ( still a little tho as pity is lower if i remember ) it's just that they didn't release a lot of S unit so you can stack currency !
If the game requires specific characters from the gacha to clear content then your points are valid otherwise they aren't. If you compare Hoyo game's gacha system with others, Hoyo's is definitely generous. The limited gacha characters make your gaming experience easier and more enjoyable.
I’ve made some previous videos discussing this exact topic, but in short. The content does not require you to get specific characters, but it does require specific elements. Because every element is not viable/available for every path, in a roundabout way, “late game” content does require the characters because there’s only 1-2 characters of that element to begin with. Perfect example is Welt. There’s not another Welt, especially for free.
that not what gachas are about, what u say is like asking a guy to never upgrade weapons to play RE4 because it just make the game experience easier... that not logical at all
In terms of gacha, both f2p and whales play for the characters more than anything. So yeah, it is a problem imo if the main attraction of the game is that difficult to obtain unless you pour money into it.
hoyo is generous? as an Ex genshin player let me point and laugh at this statment, the right wording you need is "Mihoyo is only generous to their favorite child honkai impact and honkai star rail" fixed that for ya
As per my experience in Genshin and Honkai, an F2P can hard guarantee a 5* char every other 2 patches, w/o signature gears. Should be doable if an F2P knows what his/her accounts lacks and make a priority listing of certain roles they need to get first.
as a f2p player: im already used to planning ahead for banners from playing genshin and also tears of themis. you do need to save when you are not completely sure you want to pull for a character, and have to skip many characters that you mights like. i pull by a strict policy of pulling for who you like instead of who is good. in genshin, i just pulled for all the male 5 stars (actually ended up getting them all and every 4 star + ayaka + all standard banner characters) while even though there is a certain luck aspect to it, you can still get many characters you like with not pulling for the weapons or lightcones in this case and also playing lots of the game. and for one no, it does not affect my game experience personally. yes, it might be more enjoyable to get everyone, but i actually like the challenge of saving. to summarize: -i do not mind spending time on the game -mihoyo games are generally made not f2p friendly but definitely does not affect the game experience -it won't be as bad playing f2p as they make it sound -honestly don't worry too much abt the weapons. i like collecting characters more and generally the free weapons and weapons you get from pulling normally is more than enough. only pull for the weapons for you favourite characters (if you have spare resorces). don't worry, will not affect the experience at all. star rail honestly sounds like a really fun game and im willing to invest alot of time into it.
The thing with the lightcone paths is a total non-issue. How is it any different from, say, sword users in Genshin not being able to use a polearm or bow users not getting to use claymores etc etc? The problem isn't the path restriction. It's how hard it is to get lightcones.
Yeah def true you aren't gonna get both of them your best bet is to just decide which banner you are gonna spark on and spark either Seele or Jing at 90 and and be satisfied with your choice because whichever one you decide to roll on you are locked in.
First of all, thank you for your time and work I like your videos But I’d like to point that the 80 pulls isn’t limited banner pulls only at all, because it’s basically (10 limited pulls and 60 stander banner, the last 10 pulls is star jades worth of 10 pulls), so basically it’s 20 limited pulls (if you’ll use the star jades there) and 60 stander banner pulls.
That’s even worse. 😭 The standard pulls are guaranteed which is actually great but… wait, I can flip that into a good thing for sure. I completely forgot about the 300 pity select. Lol Also thank you for enjoying my vids! It means a lot to me when you all engage with me, so I appreciate it!
@@Iyoverse I enjoy your videos they’re helpful and handy to let us get ready as much as possible. I think they wrote it as 80 pulls mostly to hype ppl more if they don’t know it’s mostly for stander banner 🤣
Well, the game does allow us to get f2p 5* weapons that can be refined to R5 from the Simulated Universe. Currently, they only have a Hunt, Destruction and perserverance weapon, but possibly they will add more? While not as strong as signature light cones, I feel like this will offer quite a solid boost to your characters. Kinda how most standard 5* weapons in genshin are not really strong compared to signatures, but if you refine them, they can compete.
I agree as F2P its impossible to get both limited 5stars. I also don't expect this game to be as lenient as Genshin. Mihoyo also developed Honkai Impact 3rd which is much much less lenient than Genshin, I expect an inbetween Genshin and HI3, at worst just like HI3. Regarding the hard pity, sure 90 is hard pity but for budgeting purposes it's as unrealistic as planning to get a 5star within 10 pulls so... for planning purposes 80 is a good number. Sure, there sometimes you might need a bit more, but those are few and far between. Great majority of times you will get the unit between 75-80.
Don't get your hopes up high just because you thought that the game will be as friendly as HI3, they clearly know that genshin's monetization formula makes them more money so they're gonna keep sticking to it. Just from the beta we already know what the game direction is.
@@alterX-on not sure what you mean, personally feel genshin is much more f2p friendly than HI3 seems like you think otherwise. But genshin characters don't even need their weapon or constellations to clear abyss, there's also no locked artifacts behind gacha. You also don't need as many units as in HI3... you literally could have run childe/bennett/xiangling/sucrose since patch 1.2 until current patch for every single abyss for example... 4star characters from 1.0 are still some of strongest units to date meanwhile HI3 has considerable powercreep...
@@db.1304 yeah idon't think we're in the same universe cuz everyone knows how much generous they are to honkai impact players and how fair the gacha system in there compared to genshing ? they arelitterally giving us a 5 star selector genshin litterally never did that the new player rewards for genshin is so low that during their anniversary the most they could give is a 10 pull, i'm sorry bro i just can't see where you're coming from i been playing genshin since day 1 so i seen some shit
@@chadikhr7258 you are only talking about pull quantity. I'm talking about pull quality. Genshin 1.0 units included Bennett, Xingque, Xiangling, Sucrose, and Fishcl. All 4 star units that are still relevant 2.5 years after launch. Do you know how extremely rare that is in a gacha game? Especially Bennett and Xingque who are top 5 units (if not top 3) as 4 stars, again 2.5 years into the game. Childe came out in 1.1 and as long as you paired him with Bennett, Xiangling, and Sucrose there hasn't been a single abyss version that team hasn't been able to 36 star abyss, I know because that exactly what I've done. Again 2.5 years into the game, please name another gacha where you can clear the end game game after that period of time with basically launch units... so yeah... regardless of amount of pulls Genshin is pretty lenient when it comes to pull value and power creep... much more so than HI3
Uhhh out of those "80 pulls" only 20 pulls can be used in the event banner the 60 can only be used in the beginner and regular banner, not to mention its day and level locked. So you only have 20 regular banner pulls and 1 event banner ticket on day 1
So you need around 160 pulls to guaranteed a rate up characters considering losing the 50-50 ? No tokens whatsover right ? Same as genshin wishing system ?
Considering how things are I’m definitely considering avoiding Jing Yuan for now. I’ll most likely avoid the 50 pity banner for now because of Seele: I will go for Seele first depending on how lucky I get I will then consider spending on the 50 pity banner to see if I can get Bronya. I am definitely considering Bronya more than anyone else on the standard banner. If I don’t get lucky on early pity I will either either wait for Kafka or re decide how my team works from there. Seele seems like the less optimal from a power prospective from what it seems because you need a valid team composition compared to Jing Yuan that can carry you early game but in the long run I definitely see Seele benefitting a F2P player in the long run compared to Jing Yuan that will probably leave you with less summons than you desire.
For the sake of being precise, light cones work similiarly to weapon in Genshin. You need to put the lightcone to the character of the same path the same way you need to give a claymore to a claymore user and you cannot give him a catalyst. We will get more and more 4* lightcone that will be good on our pg the same way it was in Genshin
The more I think about this games gacha system, the more I want to save for future banners. I was originally gonna go for Jing Yuan but the chances I get him and his light cone are just a bit too low and I don't want to spend money 😔
If you didn’t spend on Seele, you could guarantee Jing before his banner expires. You’d have to exhaust at least 80% of the games available options to get Jades tho.
Overall point is good (that being having to plan as a F2P player and how the odds of getting the first limited-characters don't look too good since the character pity seems to be identical to, say, Genshin). I'm not sure why people keep throwing around the "80 pulls per Patch" figure because it seems inaccurate (for better or worse) in a few ways: - The "80 pull figure" that was announced is yes, guaranteed, but it's all one-time bonuses, either pre-registration rewards or something you get as a one-time bonus due to leveling up. The actual long-term Stellar Jade economy in the long run is going to be different and can fluctuate with content releases.* - The 80 pulls aren't solely for limited banner pulls. Quite a significant amount of said pulls are for the standard banner (in other words, you can't factor them into the Seele/Jing Yuan fund) Basic point is, good video, but so much stuff is unknown about the Stellar Jade economy to make a definitive statement, though the F2P players needing to plan is basically a given (I guess in that case 80 pulls is a good number to start discussion around other than a nothing burger of a number). *Taking a look at the Primogem calculations for Genshin for the previous patches, the number seems to fluctuate between 50-65 pulls, at least 10 of which are for Standard. And this is accounting for literally everything, including livestream codes and web events.
The way they handled Genshin is the reason why I'm leaning more towards Star rail and why I'm playing less Genshin (other than having barely any time because of work), I don't think it's the same thing and just because it's mihoyoverse doesn't mean it'll be exactly the same considering how good they run Honkai impact that and it not only looks good but I love turn based jrpgs so this is right up my alley. I'm still a bit peeved about what they did to Dehya tho.
i dont get the lightcone part. in genshin a chara can use weapons of their type. like ganyu can use any bow and xianling can use any spear. what is different about honaki star rail?
Nothing inherently different in that aspect, but if I can help elaborate then I would say something along the lines of… Genshin’s weapons are a lot more receptive to a lot of characters. Someone like Jing can use the light cones of Destruction, yes, but whether or not they actually benefit him specifically are the thing.
@@Iyoverse ok that makes sense. So kinda like honkai3rd but not completely. You can use it but difference is there. Genshin nowadays does the same thing too for a lot of chara. So the difference in hsr is even huge huh.
It isn't stated that the 80 pulls are inclusive or exclusive of the level up and pre registration rewards . That is a factor people aren't considering ...
I don't care about the light cones tbh, I'd rather get new characters. Turn based isn't my favorite type of gameplay and I really don't care if I can beat this game's version of Spiral abyss at the highest level/36* or whatever. I'm just going to play for character design and story. Will probably get the $5 monthly pass but won't spend more than that. As long as I can clear the story battles and events I'll be happy.
so if i am to save this whole 1.0 patch, it would be pretty good amount of.....special passes for other patch banners right?....right? and its possible to not pull on limited banners and survive right?
Yes, absolutely. Being able to get those standard pulls early on. If you get lucky on top of that and start with a strong standard banner unit, then you can carry yourself through the rest of the game no problem.
Yeah I'm gonna use my main as f2p (maybe I'll use monthly when I save google play credits) so I have to plan which characters because I know I'm not gonna get both characters. (Unless like you said you're very lucky).
You touched on this briefly but how tough is character building in the game? I know you still have to farm mats and stuff for characters but one of the reasons I pulled away from genshin is because of how much time and resources you have to pour in to build characters. I'd spent MONTHS farming just artifacts, and then weeks after that farming talent books, all to make a character useable in late-game content
Can't they use honkai 3rd pity system and not 50/50 garbage system from genshin ... they already take 90% of garbage stuff from genshin stop using shit from it ...
While preparing for the worst might be the wisest choice, at the same time it's not always the case. I play Genshin since last June and wished on 7 character banners, lost 50/50 only once. Got Kazuha on like the 30th pull or so. Most of the other characters came in at 70-80 pulls. Also lucked out on the last Homa banner and just got it after 50 or so. I'm constantly sitting on around 100+ spare wishes since two patches. There are also semi-F2P content creators like Zajef, who sits on a mind-boggling amount of 500 or more wishes... My point is, if you're patient enough to regularly skip one or two banners, I don't see much of an issue with mihoyo's gacha system. From what I've seen from whales, the average pulls you need for characters are around 110 or so. While 180 can happen, it is by no means the norm, same as getting a character after ten pulls. HSR probably won't pull off another Bennett or Xingqiu, but from what I've seen so far, the standard 4 stars in Star Rail seem to be solid enough to get shit done. Plus, the standard 5 Stars you can loose your 50/50 to probably aren't as garbage as in Genshin, with stacked units such as Welt and Bronya. In the end, I find it overall more exciting to make due with what I have as F2P instead of always having the most powerful option available. Using limited resources to make subpar units work is a thrill in itself, and gives me more of a sense of accomplishment than just stomping all content with whale gear.
Not a whale, but I've kept track of my 2,5 years of dolphin pulls in a spreadsheet (please don't judge) and I can tell you that thankfully the average pulls needed for a limited is actually even lower! 😁 It's an average of ~60 pulls until a 5 star pull and (of course cause of 50/50) the average for a limited is 90 pulls :)
Do you know if these “limited” banners will be like genshin where they aren’t added to the standard banner later? Or like a traditional gacha that has collab and season limiteds?
rerolling is too much for me but can you give me some advice? When I started genshin I waited long for my first 5 star. I pulled on the first ganyu banner and got qiqi then got keqing from standard. I don't want to go through that again. I was planning on creating 5 account. Then I will take each acc to 50 pull. I will keep the best acc and bind my main Google acc with it. is this a good idea?
Yes that’s a good idea, but it will be time consuming. As long as you are willing to put that time in, then it could be worth it to you in order to start with the characters you want.
@@Iyoverse I am fine with anything except for himeko and shielder. But If I lose 50 50 early in the limited and get himeko or shielder it is fine too as it will save me a lot of pull in the future
I had a video ready to go for almost 3 weeks now trashing the gacha with very similar points to you… just thought I would hold it until the game releases. In my opinion you went a bit soft, I think this gacha is going to be way more punishing than genshin’s long term. Not saying you can’t work around it but it isn’t the best system considering how this game will work. Also, I believe the majority of those 80 guaranteed pulls are for the standard banner. So some people might not even get to 80 before Seele drops.
This is the first time anyone has ever told me I was too soft in a video. 💀 I know you don’t mean it disrespectfully, but I find it funny as heck because normally people are crying about how I’m attacking them or “acting smart”. 😂
@@Iyoverse I’ve played many a gacha and my main one is guardian tales. Star rail and by extension Genshin has one of the most “expensive” systems I’ve ever seen. Now they make up for it with the quality of their game, but this gacha could be way way better…. On the flip side, it makes stupid amounts of money so I don’t blame them for using it.
Uh… I don’t have an hourly limit without getting the game back in my hands, but for someone who was only able to casually play it for maybe 2-4hrs a day (but not everyday)… I hit my pity on the limited after about 2weeks of playing for jades. I’m sure if someone no-lifed the game, they could most likely get it in a week of dedicated play.
I don't think this game is for me. You may ask why did I come here but you know the answer.. this game is all the hype right now and when I look at it I just see another turn based gacha game that will require grind to get anywhere in it. Grind can be fun if done right but most games try to use grind as a stop gate to entice you to spend money, making the grind tedious. That is what I am expecting from this game (yes I have experience with this developer, I actively play Genshin Impact). Other games similar to this that I have played but burned me out are: Exos Heroes, Figure Fantasy, Super String, Rise of Eros (still play don't judge), Path to Nowhere (PTN), Eversoul, and Nikke. Although I do still play a couple of those, I will be quitting them as soon as something good is released, and Honkai Star Rail just does not hit me as "that" game. Hopefully I am wrong, I will try it at release (maybe), but if the story is not really good and the atmosphere draw me into the world building, then I don't think I will stick around long. --- Anyway, thanks for the video and the heads up!
personally think that the game having shit like "light cones" which is just a fancy way of saying weapon is super scummy. Turn based games should be more lenient with shit like that as it's pretty much almost mandatory to gun for every character in an elemental turn based game. Super predatory. Hoyoverse probably doesnt know how this kind of game works so maybe it should learn from something like Onmyoji RPG, the only other turn based gacha with complex enough systems that still makes money somehow.
Playing higan and find it pretty good and the gacha system is good to get desired 5star at 120pulls but here thing is different gacha is always the worst in hoyoverse game like genshin and honkai and they are just too much greedy at this point so just make this game to get more money out of it
This isn't anywhere near true in the slightest, especially coming from beta 3. It's possible for F2P to advance in content, but it's definitely not super easy for them to do. It's only easier to luckier you get (in terms of character/light cone pulls & combat RNG). In my experience, this game is already more difficult than Genshin because you don't control whether or not you dodge a hit, get crit, frozen, etc. The game controls it. This game highly rewards preparation/smart plays much more than it does anything else to try being "super easy".
Genshin is not F2P friendly? What are you smoking? If you define F2P friendly as being able to get basically any char you want whenever you want, don't know from what universe you came from to have such a definition.
@@senelclark101 you are type who don't know what a true F2P game is, but it's ok you don't know any better, most people who have these takes came into gacha gaming space late , nowhere in my comment did i mention Genshin, but here you are trying to shame me funny.
If you're talking about when it comes to gacha yeah no I wouldn't say f2p got to be lucky with the pulls. Clearing content yes you can use the free 4 stars they give you. Heck some people can clear the abyss with 4 stars. HI3 is not f2p if you care about clearing the abyss. Story and events yes it's f2p.
Sound like you are mad about the gacha...that has nothing to do with the game being f2p friendly. I play genshin super light spending and I get all the characters I really want without topping up ever. You have to be patient and only pull for characters your really want. If you try to get every character then you are going to have a bad time.
What a stupid argument, you don't have to get every character , if the character is not going to help in the long run just skip it , they will release a patch before the release of a unit 2 days before of its release so we can plan ahead pretty easily and if we summon or not
I feel this game is gonna be Honkai impact with Genshins Summon system. Basically. Honkai impact is Very meta based, but Honkai impact has the fact that the Gacha is easier and nicer. Genshin otherwise is for casual players and you can run or play anyone and be fine, so no one notices how predatory the Gacha system is. This is gonna be the most predatory Mihoyo game. The worst part about Honkai impact, the competitive Meta. And the Worst thing about Genshin, the Predatory Gacha. I’m really not sure if F2P’s are gonna be able to play this game because the meta will keep changing and it will keep demanding you the player to keep up with it. Despite everyone’s hatred for the Honkai impact Gacha, as a free player I can say that Honkai impact is very fair to the player. I do worry about Star Rail as it’s bound to get to the point where it’s pay or lose.
Oh i see well time to skip this game then thank you better wait for Wuthering waves then. So this is not f2p game more like whaler game you open my eyes I'm sad but yup have to move on I'm going to genshin at least I have a chance to get the 5 star I want
Per usual, f2p players will ALWAYS have to plan ahead and go into things smartly, but I want to point out 2 things to aid my discussion here.
1) f2p players "plan ahead" by knowing what's ahead and as of right now, if Hoyoverse themselves have not announced it, then it's not safe territory to plan around. They have been on super police mode in regards to punishing l3@kers. It's safer to assume f2p players will only know what's coming 1 patch ahead, MAYBE.
2) Just because we know they NEED to plan smartly, doesn't negate whether or not a max output of 80 pulls per patch is better or worse for them in relation to the insanely high guarantee (basically 180 pulls). I think this is worth talking about.
Out of curiosity as f2p players or low budget spenders what types of teams would you recommend going for? I have very little clue as to what will be efficient in regards to early and mid-game teams and what we should hit the ground running in pursuit of out of the gate. I assume do the discounted pulls they are giving us twice and then save all currency for the limited banners.
@@shinrakai I will actually try to answer this question in a video because I’d imagine there are others sharing your thoughts.
@@shinrakai Go for high dmg team cause unlike its other game Genshin this ones defenders and healers are not that good. So get 1 or 2 good dps character and after that a support character that gives speed since its turn based you will need speed supp a lot. Also 4 stars in the game are very good so dont have to be obsessed with the 5 stars units. But if ur gonna do rerolling than try to get Seele with Bronya since their combo is insanely broken
@@shinrakai also elements matter a lot in the game
Where do you get that number of 80 pulls from? The only thing thats known, as far as I am aware, is that we will get 80 pulls from the release events. But those are split between standart and limited pulls.
Just from doing dailies everyday and the event we'd get aroud 45 pulls in a patch, so you're basically saying that all the first time rewards, like all of forgotten halls and exploration is only gonna add up to a total of 35 pulls? Its kinda hard to believe, so I'd really love an explamation.
Any game (gacha) needs good planning. I hate how some people say every game is predatory. I get that some people want every unit, BUT thats not realistic in gacha games. Hoarding is always the smartest move
I think my pinned comment addresses your own comment pretty accurately, to be fair. haha
@@Iyoverse that's a good thing, right!?
They just think they will win every 50/50 :)
@@MrBud85 Yeah, I think so? 😅
it kinda is predatory tho?
especially with the 50/50 offrate
sure getting all characters isn't necessary but even then if some people wanted to get characters they liked the chances theyd have to spend money are pretty high, yeah they could wait for a rerun or whatever but then again the 50/50 and high pity are pretty rough for f2p players.
And alright, lets day you hoard enough gems or whatever to guarantee your character you'd have spent so much time grinding the game that by then the banner is already gone, Like Iyo said you'll get up to 80 pulls per patch which isnt even enough to guarantee the 5* pity, sure you could say that thats okay and you're willing to skip a few banners to rely on info from certain sources.
but denying that this game and other games like it are predatory is kind of silly, because its designed to take your money especially if you want characters that drop in version 1.0
And I say this as someone who has hundreds of hours in gacha games such as genshin, honkai, ToT, ToF and more
So… I just wanted to put this out there for extra information!
I feel like Star Rail is going forward with the Genshin event formula and that can help for people planning ahead. You can calculate your Jade income accordingly:
3 mini events: 420 Stellar Jades
1 main patch event: 800-1200 Stellar Jades.
Dailies: 60 Stellar Jades
BP: 10 (Instead of Genshin’s 5) standard banner warps.
Of course there’s more: character trials, story rewards, overworld exploration etc.
Here’s what I don’t know:
1. How much Jade do you get by completing the Forgotten Hall? In the Spiral Abyss, each floor gives 150 primo gems. Is it the same, considering that the number of floors are much larger than Genshin’s measly 8 (one time) + 4 (resets every 2 weeks)?
2. What does the Jade income look like with the simulated universe? Does it give stellar Jade or just level up materials?
Tbh, Star Rail is looking much less casual than Genshin. Because no way would the 2nd forgotten hall have 10 whole floors! It’s feels much more grindy.
Though when the game comes out, we’ll know the answer, but from what I have heard, during the beta, the players who completed all the content had enough Jade + warps to do 120+ pulls on the limited banner. So if an F2P player is lucky, they may be able to snag a limited banner character.
Edit: HOLY! This ended up being a longgg comment. Just one more thing to add, soft pity starts at 74 pulls. In both Genshin and Star Rail.
“So if a f2p player is lucky” you are literally saying the game sucks without saying it.
@@alexandermorgan3469 seems like the gacha system absolutely sucks fat dick compared to everything else in the market. Turn based games should not have a weapon system. Period. Especially with bullshit like elements and paths where I'm basically forced to pull for everyone to keep up. Very discouraging to play this game.
@@alexandermorgan3469 Yes, the game sucks for F2P like Genshin. There are better gachas to play and collect all characters like Pusnishing Gray Raven where you can guarantee your Rank S every patch. In this game we will have to spend something every month. Let's hope that just buying the battle pass will be enough to solve these problems.
The biggest problem for F2P in any gacha game is if, in the worst-case scenario where they miss the target, they can't handle the content with what they have.
In this context, Star Rail doesn't have any issues. They already give a solid starter pack...
Not getting enough free gems to roll on all banners in a single patch is normal. It happens everywhere.
Banners will rerun in the future. If the player isn't confident with his chance on the first try, they should wait for the rerun.
I suggest to try PGR. As f2p you can get every S Rank construct and you can finish every content without signature weapon. Best part you don't have to finish at top for getting max premium currency you only need to play them and you get all of it. I only buy monthly pack and i have every S Rank Construct, you can make them ss by playing pain cage, i have every signature weapon and hell i have reso on the weapons too. It is just plain amazing. Note : I play honkai impact 3 too and if you compare both gacha system PGR is much much more f2p friendly.
@@gokturksaglam9790 hi3 is quite f2p friendly cause you can actually get almost every char for free if you have played the game for at least around 3 years ýou probably already get 99% of unit even as a f2p . Most of stigmata best slot are farmable so you don't really need to pay for it ( only problem is probably weapon because some really make char insane ). PGR is not really much more f2p ( still a little tho as pity is lower if i remember ) it's just that they didn't release a lot of S unit so you can stack currency !
@@Noaxid played HI3 for a 600 days as an F2P, and I agree
@@gokturksaglam9790 As someone that plays PGR I can agree very F2P especially the gacha.
@@Noaxid I also play HI3 and ehhh I guess. Never been that lucky with the game.
If the game requires specific characters from the gacha to clear content then your points are valid otherwise they aren't. If you compare Hoyo game's gacha system with others, Hoyo's is definitely generous. The limited gacha characters make your gaming experience easier and more enjoyable.
I’ve made some previous videos discussing this exact topic, but in short. The content does not require you to get specific characters, but it does require specific elements. Because every element is not viable/available for every path, in a roundabout way, “late game” content does require the characters because there’s only 1-2 characters of that element to begin with.
Perfect example is Welt. There’s not another Welt, especially for free.
that not what gachas are about, what u say is like asking a guy to never upgrade weapons to play RE4 because it just make the game experience easier... that not logical at all
@@Iyoverse But all enemies have 3 weaknesses so there will almost never be a case where you don't have a character for specific enemy.
In terms of gacha, both f2p and whales play for the characters more than anything. So yeah, it is a problem imo if the main attraction of the game is that difficult to obtain unless you pour money into it.
hoyo is generous? as an Ex genshin player let me point and laugh at this statment, the right wording you need is "Mihoyo is only generous to their favorite child honkai impact and honkai star rail" fixed that for ya
As per my experience in Genshin and Honkai, an F2P can hard guarantee a 5* char every other 2 patches, w/o signature gears. Should be doable if an F2P knows what his/her accounts lacks and make a priority listing of certain roles they need to get first.
as a f2p player:
im already used to planning ahead for banners from playing genshin and also tears of themis. you do need to save when you are not completely sure you want to pull for a character, and have to skip many characters that you mights like. i pull by a strict policy of pulling for who you like instead of who is good. in genshin, i just pulled for all the male 5 stars (actually ended up getting them all and every 4 star + ayaka + all standard banner characters) while even though there is a certain luck aspect to it, you can still get many characters you like with not pulling for the weapons or lightcones in this case and also playing lots of the game. and for one no, it does not affect my game experience personally. yes, it might be more enjoyable to get everyone, but i actually like the challenge of saving.
to summarize:
-i do not mind spending time on the game
-mihoyo games are generally made not f2p friendly but definitely does not affect the game experience
-it won't be as bad playing f2p as they make it sound
-honestly don't worry too much abt the weapons. i like collecting characters more and generally the free weapons and weapons you get from pulling normally is more than enough. only pull for the weapons for you favourite characters (if you have spare resorces).
don't worry, will not affect the experience at all. star rail honestly sounds like a really fun game and im willing to invest alot of time into it.
The thing with the lightcone paths is a total non-issue. How is it any different from, say, sword users in Genshin not being able to use a polearm or bow users not getting to use claymores etc etc? The problem isn't the path restriction. It's how hard it is to get lightcones.
Yeah def true you aren't gonna get both of them your best bet is to just decide which banner you are gonna spark on and spark either Seele or Jing at 90 and and be satisfied with your choice because whichever one you decide to roll on you are locked in.
First of all, thank you for your time and work I like your videos
But I’d like to point that the 80 pulls isn’t limited banner pulls only at all, because it’s basically (10 limited pulls and 60 stander banner, the last 10 pulls is star jades worth of 10 pulls), so basically it’s 20 limited pulls (if you’ll use the star jades there) and 60 stander banner pulls.
That’s even worse. 😭 The standard pulls are guaranteed which is actually great but… wait, I can flip that into a good thing for sure. I completely forgot about the 300 pity select. Lol
Also thank you for enjoying my vids! It means a lot to me when you all engage with me, so I appreciate it!
@@Iyoverse I enjoy your videos they’re helpful and handy to let us get ready as much as possible.
I think they wrote it as 80 pulls mostly to hype ppl more if they don’t know it’s mostly for stander banner 🤣
Well, the game does allow us to get f2p 5* weapons that can be refined to R5 from the Simulated Universe. Currently, they only have a Hunt, Destruction and perserverance weapon, but possibly they will add more? While not as strong as signature light cones, I feel like this will offer quite a solid boost to your characters.
Kinda how most standard 5* weapons in genshin are not really strong compared to signatures, but if you refine them, they can compete.
I agree as F2P its impossible to get both limited 5stars.
I also don't expect this game to be as lenient as Genshin. Mihoyo also developed Honkai Impact 3rd which is much much less lenient than Genshin, I expect an inbetween Genshin and HI3, at worst just like HI3.
Regarding the hard pity, sure 90 is hard pity but for budgeting purposes it's as unrealistic as planning to get a 5star within 10 pulls so... for planning purposes 80 is a good number. Sure, there sometimes you might need a bit more, but those are few and far between. Great majority of times you will get the unit between 75-80.
Don't get your hopes up high just because you thought that the game will be as friendly as HI3, they clearly know that genshin's monetization formula makes them more money so they're gonna keep sticking to it. Just from the beta we already know what the game direction is.
@@alterX-on not sure what you mean, personally feel genshin is much more f2p friendly than HI3 seems like you think otherwise.
But genshin characters don't even need their weapon or constellations to clear abyss, there's also no locked artifacts behind gacha.
You also don't need as many units as in HI3... you literally could have run childe/bennett/xiangling/sucrose since patch 1.2 until current patch for every single abyss for example... 4star characters from 1.0 are still some of strongest units to date meanwhile HI3 has considerable powercreep...
@@db.1304 yeah idon't think we're in the same universe cuz everyone knows how much generous they are to honkai impact players and how fair the gacha system in there compared to genshing ? they arelitterally giving us a 5 star selector genshin litterally never did that the new player rewards for genshin is so low that during their anniversary the most they could give is a 10 pull, i'm sorry bro i just can't see where you're coming from i been playing genshin since day 1 so i seen some shit
@@chadikhr7258 you are only talking about pull quantity. I'm talking about pull quality.
Genshin 1.0 units included Bennett, Xingque, Xiangling, Sucrose, and Fishcl. All 4 star units that are still relevant 2.5 years after launch. Do you know how extremely rare that is in a gacha game? Especially Bennett and Xingque who are top 5 units (if not top 3) as 4 stars, again 2.5 years into the game.
Childe came out in 1.1 and as long as you paired him with Bennett, Xiangling, and Sucrose there hasn't been a single abyss version that team hasn't been able to 36 star abyss, I know because that exactly what I've done.
Again 2.5 years into the game, please name another gacha where you can clear the end game game after that period of time with basically launch units... so yeah... regardless of amount of pulls Genshin is pretty lenient when it comes to pull value and power creep... much more so than HI3
Uhhh out of those "80 pulls" only 20 pulls can be used in the event banner the 60 can only be used in the beginner and regular banner, not to mention its day and level locked. So you only have 20 regular banner pulls and 1 event banner ticket on day 1
So you need around 160 pulls to guaranteed a rate up characters considering losing the 50-50 ? No tokens whatsover right ? Same as genshin wishing system ?
Yes, exactly.
Considering how things are
I’m definitely considering avoiding Jing Yuan for now.
I’ll most likely avoid the 50 pity banner for now because of Seele: I will go for Seele first depending on how lucky I get I will then consider spending on the 50 pity banner to see if I can get Bronya. I am definitely considering Bronya more than anyone else on the standard banner. If I don’t get lucky on early pity I will either either wait for Kafka or re decide how my team works from there.
Seele seems like the less optimal from a power prospective from what it seems because you need a valid team composition compared to Jing Yuan that can carry you early game but in the long run I definitely see Seele benefitting a F2P player in the long run compared to Jing Yuan that will probably leave you with less summons than you desire.
All I know is I'm saving for Silver Wolf. Not rolling for any limited character until her banner drops.
That’s a great roll to save for.
For the sake of being precise, light cones work similiarly to weapon in Genshin. You need to put the lightcone to the character of the same path the same way you need to give a claymore to a claymore user and you cannot give him a catalyst. We will get more and more 4* lightcone that will be good on our pg the same way it was in Genshin
Since this is a turn-based game, I was hoping it's much more forgiving than what genshin monetization is
True
The more I think about this games gacha system, the more I want to save for future banners. I was originally gonna go for Jing Yuan but the chances I get him and his light cone are just a bit too low and I don't want to spend money 😔
If you didn’t spend on Seele, you could guarantee Jing before his banner expires. You’d have to exhaust at least 80% of the games available options to get Jades tho.
@@Iyoverse Damn thanks for the info. I think i'll just save then, I wanna guarantee both Jing Yuan and his Light Cone.
@@zerohcrows i want to get him too
@@Iyoverse If you don't mind my question, will we keep what we have in the beta once the game launch?
how abou you get him now then get his weapon during his rerun?
Overall point is good (that being having to plan as a F2P player and how the odds of getting the first limited-characters don't look too good since the character pity seems to be identical to, say, Genshin). I'm not sure why people keep throwing around the "80 pulls per Patch" figure because it seems inaccurate (for better or worse) in a few ways:
- The "80 pull figure" that was announced is yes, guaranteed, but it's all one-time bonuses, either pre-registration rewards or something you get as a one-time bonus due to leveling up. The actual long-term Stellar Jade economy in the long run is going to be different and can fluctuate with content releases.*
- The 80 pulls aren't solely for limited banner pulls. Quite a significant amount of said pulls are for the standard banner (in other words, you can't factor them into the Seele/Jing Yuan fund)
Basic point is, good video, but so much stuff is unknown about the Stellar Jade economy to make a definitive statement, though the F2P players needing to plan is basically a given (I guess in that case 80 pulls is a good number to start discussion around other than a nothing burger of a number).
*Taking a look at the Primogem calculations for Genshin for the previous patches, the number seems to fluctuate between 50-65 pulls, at least 10 of which are for Standard. And this is accounting for literally everything, including livestream codes and web events.
I refuse to feed into another gacha from HYV. The way they have handled Genshin left a bad taste in my mouth. I hope everyone else enjoys Star Rail.
The way they handled Genshin is the reason why I'm leaning more towards Star rail and why I'm playing less Genshin (other than having barely any time because of work), I don't think it's the same thing and just because it's mihoyoverse doesn't mean it'll be exactly the same considering how good they run Honkai impact that and it not only looks good but I love turn based jrpgs so this is right up my alley.
I'm still a bit peeved about what they did to Dehya tho.
I dont know if there is a neutral element in this game but i might go that route and see how it goes no matter who i get as my first 5*
No neutral elements in the game, but it isn’t like Pkmn either where you need fire to beat ice.
i dont get the lightcone part. in genshin a chara can use weapons of their type. like ganyu can use any bow and xianling can use any spear. what is different about honaki star rail?
Nothing inherently different in that aspect, but if I can help elaborate then I would say something along the lines of… Genshin’s weapons are a lot more receptive to a lot of characters. Someone like Jing can use the light cones of Destruction, yes, but whether or not they actually benefit him specifically are the thing.
@@Iyoverse ok that makes sense. So kinda like honkai3rd but not completely. You can use it but difference is there. Genshin nowadays does the same thing too for a lot of chara. So the difference in hsr is even huge huh.
In Star Rail, you can say make Xiangling equip an Aqua Simulacra, she gets the stats but not the weapon bonuses. That's basically the difference.
It isn't stated that the 80 pulls are inclusive or exclusive of the level up and pre registration rewards . That is a factor people aren't considering ...
I don't care about the light cones tbh, I'd rather get new characters. Turn based isn't my favorite type of gameplay and I really don't care if I can beat this game's version of Spiral abyss at the highest level/36* or whatever. I'm just going to play for character design and story. Will probably get the $5 monthly pass but won't spend more than that. As long as I can clear the story battles and events I'll be happy.
Definitely a valid take, for sure! You outta love the story too! I’m already interested in it from the beta!
so if i am to save this whole 1.0 patch, it would be pretty good amount of.....special passes for other patch banners right?....right? and its possible to not pull on limited banners and survive right?
Yes, absolutely. Being able to get those standard pulls early on. If you get lucky on top of that and start with a strong standard banner unit, then you can carry yourself through the rest of the game no problem.
Yeah I'm gonna use my main as f2p (maybe I'll use monthly when I save google play credits) so I have to plan which characters because I know I'm not gonna get both characters. (Unless like you said you're very lucky).
does someone know what's the banner release order i want kafka but idk when she is coming nor have seen any banner of her at all
We only know Seele and Jing Yuan right now. No one knows the order of the banners after that until Hoyoverse announces it.
You touched on this briefly but how tough is character building in the game? I know you still have to farm mats and stuff for characters but one of the reasons I pulled away from genshin is because of how much time and resources you have to pour in to build characters. I'd spent MONTHS farming just artifacts, and then weeks after that farming talent books, all to make a character useable in late-game content
Can't they use honkai 3rd pity system and not 50/50 garbage system from genshin ... they already take 90% of garbage stuff from genshin stop using shit from it ...
that would be the best scenario, but even if they copy Genshin system at least they improve it, unlike Genshin
At least it's 100% guaranteed on Honkai it really depends on luck. Yeah I hate the 50/50 as well.
This is why i personally wanna reroll for seele over bronya. Because there's no guarantee that they wont rerun seele until like maybe 8 months in
wdym reroll for seele if she's limited event banner
While preparing for the worst might be the wisest choice, at the same time it's not always the case.
I play Genshin since last June and wished on 7 character banners, lost 50/50 only once. Got Kazuha on like the 30th pull or so. Most of the other characters came in at 70-80 pulls. Also lucked out on the last Homa banner and just got it after 50 or so.
I'm constantly sitting on around 100+ spare wishes since two patches. There are also semi-F2P content creators like Zajef, who sits on a mind-boggling amount of 500 or more wishes...
My point is, if you're patient enough to regularly skip one or two banners, I don't see much of an issue with mihoyo's gacha system.
From what I've seen from whales, the average pulls you need for characters are around 110 or so. While 180 can happen, it is by no means the norm, same as getting a character after ten pulls.
HSR probably won't pull off another Bennett or Xingqiu, but from what I've seen so far, the standard 4 stars in Star Rail seem to be solid enough to get shit done. Plus, the standard 5 Stars you can loose your 50/50 to probably aren't as garbage as in Genshin, with stacked units such as Welt and Bronya.
In the end, I find it overall more exciting to make due with what I have as F2P instead of always having the most powerful option available. Using limited resources to make subpar units work is a thrill in itself, and gives me more of a sense of accomplishment than just stomping all content with whale gear.
Not a whale, but I've kept track of my 2,5 years of dolphin pulls in a spreadsheet (please don't judge) and I can tell you that thankfully the average pulls needed for a limited is actually even lower! 😁
It's an average of ~60 pulls until a 5 star pull and (of course cause of 50/50) the average for a limited is 90 pulls :)
tbh i only want to go for qing yuan so i just have to hope i get him in the 80 cause hes the only 5-star i really really want
goddamit i hate the weapon system...
so when the game comes out people get 80 pulls?
is it guranteed to get the event character?
No
whens this game out
Do you know if these “limited” banners will be like genshin where they aren’t added to the standard banner later? Or like a traditional gacha that has collab and season limiteds?
The only one im gonna go for is Welt and Blade cuz y not
Same. I'd welcome a Xiao situation if it meant I have more time to save
rerolling is too much for me but can you give me some advice? When I started genshin I waited long for my first 5 star. I pulled on the first ganyu banner and got qiqi then got keqing from standard. I don't want to go through that again. I was planning on creating 5 account. Then I will take each acc to 50 pull. I will keep the best acc and bind my main Google acc with it. is this a good idea?
Yes that’s a good idea, but it will be time consuming. As long as you are willing to put that time in, then it could be worth it to you in order to start with the characters you want.
@@Iyoverse I am fine with anything except for himeko and shielder. But If I lose 50 50 early in the limited and get himeko or shielder it is fine too as it will save me a lot of pull in the future
Do characters get added to the standard banner once the current one is done?
I had a video ready to go for almost 3 weeks now trashing the gacha with very similar points to you… just thought I would hold it until the game releases.
In my opinion you went a bit soft, I think this gacha is going to be way more punishing than genshin’s long term. Not saying you can’t work around it but it isn’t the best system considering how this game will work.
Also, I believe the majority of those 80 guaranteed pulls are for the standard banner. So some people might not even get to 80 before Seele drops.
This is the first time anyone has ever told me I was too soft in a video. 💀 I know you don’t mean it disrespectfully, but I find it funny as heck because normally people are crying about how I’m attacking them or “acting smart”. 😂
@@Iyoverse I’ve played many a gacha and my main one is guardian tales. Star rail and by extension Genshin has one of the most “expensive” systems I’ve ever seen.
Now they make up for it with the quality of their game, but this gacha could be way way better…. On the flip side, it makes stupid amounts of money so I don’t blame them for using it.
I'm very late but it is possible to get both lmao just win 50/50. I pulled 160 just to get seele. I'm very much f2p.
Aye yo, love your video bro keep it up, hope you're covering Wuthering waves
We'll see what happens! I applied for that beta so if I get in, I might dig deeper into it!
Is it probable that I get Jing Yuan if I fully grind out the game (chests, story, events) while being f2p?
Yes, as long as you don't spend the currency you grinded for on Seele's banner. That, or get insanely lucky and get both.
i got seele on my 7th pull would it be possible to get Jing yuang too?
ABSOLUTELY! You’ve got so many pulls ahead of you that as long as you actively play the game, getting Jing is going to be a piece of cake!
How long does it take from the account creation to hold those 80 limited pulls?
Uh… I don’t have an hourly limit without getting the game back in my hands, but for someone who was only able to casually play it for maybe 2-4hrs a day (but not everyday)… I hit my pity on the limited after about 2weeks of playing for jades. I’m sure if someone no-lifed the game, they could most likely get it in a week of dedicated play.
Eh 90 isn't a lot. FGO has 300 for pity and we can hit that multiple times a yr.
I don't think this game is for me. You may ask why did I come here but you know the answer.. this game is all the hype right now and when I look at it I just see another turn based gacha game that will require grind to get anywhere in it. Grind can be fun if done right but most games try to use grind as a stop gate to entice you to spend money, making the grind tedious. That is what I am expecting from this game (yes I have experience with this developer, I actively play Genshin Impact).
Other games similar to this that I have played but burned me out are: Exos Heroes, Figure Fantasy, Super String, Rise of Eros (still play don't judge), Path to Nowhere (PTN), Eversoul, and Nikke.
Although I do still play a couple of those, I will be quitting them as soon as something good is released, and Honkai Star Rail just does not hit me as "that" game.
Hopefully I am wrong, I will try it at release (maybe), but if the story is not really good and the atmosphere draw me into the world building, then I don't think I will stick around long.
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Anyway, thanks for the video and the heads up!
How were regionals?
Man... I did NOT perform the way I wanted to at ALL. lol But it was fun with the lady and friends.
@Iyo well at least you had fun. Hopefully, you were inspired by some new teams or strategies.
I'm f2p so I'll just save if I don't like the character's design lol
Who is zeela?
When new game come out they make tier list like bruh let people enjoy it
personally think that the game having shit like "light cones" which is just a fancy way of saying weapon is super scummy. Turn based games should be more lenient with shit like that as it's pretty much almost mandatory to gun for every character in an elemental turn based game. Super predatory. Hoyoverse probably doesnt know how this kind of game works so maybe it should learn from something like Onmyoji RPG, the only other turn based gacha with complex enough systems that still makes money somehow.
Not surprised as its a mihoyo game lol. And they even used the same monetizatiton as genshin.
0:18 too late, iyokku hehehehehe
Why you do this to me. lol
@@Iyoverse where there is opportunity there's Kabutops 3 blocks away
Playing higan and find it pretty good and the gacha system is good to get desired 5star at 120pulls but here thing is different gacha is always the worst in hoyoverse game like genshin and honkai and they are just too much greedy at this point so just make this game to get more money out of it
I’m basic and want Seele and Bronya! Then I’ll save for Blade Lmao
I want the same thing here so I feel that for sure.
The game will have to be super easy because otherwise F2P players will not be able to advance in the content
This isn't anywhere near true in the slightest, especially coming from beta 3. It's possible for F2P to advance in content, but it's definitely not super easy for them to do. It's only easier to luckier you get (in terms of character/light cone pulls & combat RNG). In my experience, this game is already more difficult than Genshin because you don't control whether or not you dodge a hit, get crit, frozen, etc. The game controls it. This game highly rewards preparation/smart plays much more than it does anything else to try being "super easy".
Ion care .. saving till Kafka .. don't give a shi about any other charecter ( even if it's inoptimal idgaf )
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Hello! 😃
Lucky is my middle name :) ❤
can guarantee Seele as f2p?
Yeah, if you get incredibly lucky.
mihoyo is one of the stingiest company ever why are people surprise star rails wont be f2p friendly
Genshin is not F2P friendly? What are you smoking? If you define F2P friendly as being able to get basically any char you want whenever you want, don't know from what universe you came from to have such a definition.
@@senelclark101 you are type who don't know what a true F2P game is, but it's ok you don't know any better, most people who have these takes came into gacha gaming space late , nowhere in my comment did i mention Genshin, but here you are trying to shame me funny.
@gullygod09 because you said mihoyo that's why they mentioned genshin and can u ask what your experience would be f2p friendly
If you're talking about when it comes to gacha yeah no I wouldn't say f2p got to be lucky with the pulls. Clearing content yes you can use the free 4 stars they give you. Heck some people can clear the abyss with 4 stars.
HI3 is not f2p if you care about clearing the abyss. Story and events yes it's f2p.
Sound like you are mad about the gacha...that has nothing to do with the game being f2p friendly. I play genshin super light spending and I get all the characters I really want without topping up ever. You have to be patient and only pull for characters your really want. If you try to get every character then you are going to have a bad time.
What a stupid argument, you don't have to get every character , if the character is not going to help in the long run just skip it , they will release a patch before the release of a unit 2 days before of its release so we can plan ahead pretty easily and if we summon or not
correct point👍👍
I feel this game is gonna be Honkai impact with Genshins Summon system. Basically. Honkai impact is Very meta based, but Honkai impact has the fact that the Gacha is easier and nicer. Genshin otherwise is for casual players and you can run or play anyone and be fine, so no one notices how predatory the Gacha system is. This is gonna be the most predatory Mihoyo game. The worst part about Honkai impact, the competitive Meta. And the Worst thing about Genshin, the Predatory Gacha.
I’m really not sure if F2P’s are gonna be able to play this game because the meta will keep changing and it will keep demanding you the player to keep up with it. Despite everyone’s hatred for the Honkai impact Gacha, as a free player I can say that Honkai impact is very fair to the player.
I do worry about Star Rail as it’s bound to get to the point where it’s pay or lose.
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This game, like genshin's tcg, will die. It's just boring.
Oh i see well time to skip this game then thank you better wait for Wuthering waves then. So this is not f2p game more like whaler game you open my eyes I'm sad but yup have to move on I'm going to genshin at least I have a chance to get the 5 star I want