The rs 660 doesn’t have a “typical “ sport body position, it’s way less radical than let’s say a gsxr just as an example, in Italy it’s considered one of the most street friendly sport bikes because exactly for this reason....
@@jarno6452 Offset between the tuono lower clamp and RS top clamp is off by 2mm, so nope... and nobody makes a top triple for the Tuono without handlebar mounts (yet). Only way to do it is to swap in the RS lower as well which is not a small project. Gotta find a way to lift the front of the bike without a front stand since any front stand will lift it from either the lower triple or the bottom of the forks, both of which have to come off the bike. AF1 will happily order an RS 660 lower triple/steering column + bearing and dust cover though. It wasn't a cheap mod, but jesus do I love how the bike came out. It is cheaper than getting an RS and upgrading the suspension to match the Factory though (assuming you do the work yourself).
@@JoshPhillips7781 wow, thanks for quick and indeep response! Guess ill have to wait a few sallarys and let professionals do it with the lower aswell.. And you dont run into problems with the grips or levers touching the front "fairings"?👍🤔
@@jarno6452 I worked with the guys from Woodcraft to make sure I had the right setup to ensure that didn't happen (it was their first Tuono conversion too, so they were excited to help out). Ended up with 75mm side mount risers with 51mm fork clamps with their RS 660 top clamp. Assuming you position them properly, they clear the tank and front fairing with zero issues. In this configuration, the ends of the bars drop about 3.25" compared to the stock handlebar (although you can adjust the bar angles by about 7 degrees) and the bars end up slightly wider than the stock bar too. I've tried both 12" and 13.5" bars and I prefer the 13.5" personally. If you can do it yourself, you should, as it is likely a 5 hour job at the shop. Where I live, that's basically $1k in labor. Beyond getting it in the air (I used my Abba Sky Lift), nothing about the job is difficult. Even if you have to buy a lift, assuming you have a basic set of tools it is still cheaper than the labor (and as a bonus, you get to have an intimate afternoon with your bike). You just have to remove the fairings, front wheel, and forks before you replace the steering column and reassemble the controls. Also a good opportunity to clean your front brakes since you already have the wheel off... If you have someone else do it, you are still looking at probably an hour adjusting everything to fit you anyway. At the end of the day, I have a more comfortable bike that feels better to ride more aggressively, and it looks freaking beautiful. I will confidently say that I have one of the best looking Tuono 660's on the planet.
Chase you are absolutely spot on with the body position point. I can relate seeing I traded in my RS660 for a Tuono V4 1100. I noticed exactly what you felt on the ride home. I was going thru some tight corners on the Tuono and noticed my body wasn't in the correct position on the bike like I was on the 660 which takes some adjustment with the upright handle bars. Congrats on your track day and great video!
Great video Chase. Nice to see some Aprilia content. I replaced my CBR500R last May with a 22 RS660. I have taken it on 1 long excursion from Southern AB, Canada, down to Montana and back and I gotta say: For anyone considering this bike it's an AMAZING alternative to the traditional sportbikes we know and love like the R6 or ZX6R or GSXR. You should definitely take a look at this bike for your everyday riding needs. Yes it's more money but my god, the smiles per gallon and the distance I can put on this thing before being sore is incredible. I have a bike that gets compliments often (rarely experienced on the Honda I had) which is really fun too. Can't really imagine doing an 8 hour saddle day/travel weekend on the more traditional sportbikes like I did on the RS 660!! Unfortunately no tracks nearby where I live though :/
Blottskie would you not agree that the RS660 has the perfect riding position even for the street and for some sport touring and not just the track that many tends to believe? I would even say the opposing thing to Chase that it would feel better on the street than the Tuono 660. The RS660 has that perfect comfortable sporty riding position I wish more bikes had. The more traditional sport bikes must be really uncomfortable for anything else than track.
@@mathias6423 I am a guy that prefers fully-faired motorcycles in general so maybe I am biased! There was a guy who used to ride in our group on the MT-09 and I just couldn't get into the seating position and I hated it (aside from the engine). The RS660 truly feels designed FOR ME at 6ft 200+lbs it doesn't seem cramped at all. I was pleasantly surprised when I was able to do an 8 hour travel day, with breaks as per usual, and I felt BARELY more sore than I did on the very upright CBR500R I used to own. Just an incredible all-around "do everything you want it to" machine. The Tuono is a nice compromise but I have never even sat on one, from the first moment I laid eyes on the RS660 and sat on it...I knew there was no point. Bonus points for trippin' when you aren't wringing it out, the RS660 gets pretty good fuel economy too.
@@Blottski Yeah I like the engine on the MT-09 but would prefer it if Yamaha made an R9 with a riding position closer to the RS660, that would be a really nice bike.
I'm currently on a cb500f and I'm looking to upgrade and I'm torn between the RS and Tuono. Id prefer the RS but I don't want to be super uncomfortable on really long rides
Interesting vid. I bought an RSVR 1000 & soon realised I should have bought the Tuono. The RSVR killed my hands & wrists. It was so painful at low speed. I would definitely choose the Tuono Factory as it's way more comfortable & is practically faired anyway. It also has better suspension, gearing & is also lighter & cheaper too.
There's more than just body position. The suspensions are not the same. Fully adjustable on the Tuono 660 Factory, preload and rebound only on RS660. Not to mention the rear shocks are completely different.
I'm actually looking at both of these this week and I think I'll go with the Tuono 660 Factory, as I'll probably never see the track with it but spend a good amount of time up in the mountains.
That's one of the problems I sometimes have on my GSXS-1000GT, It's more upright and sometimes in certain corners it doesn't feel right at spirited riding paces which has me considering a supersport for more aggressive rides. It feels like riding a naked bike only with tighter leg positioning so sometimes it can be awkward if you don't get body positioned right.
Yeah I agree with you 100%. That is exactly one of my points that I made in another comment on this video and many others. The Suzuki GSX-S1000GT and Kawaski Z1000SX or Ninja 1000SX if you will are prime examples of sport touring going wrong. What you mention is something a lot of owners (me included as I had the Ninja 1000 SX 2018) are complaining about on the forums of these bikes as well. The handlebars on the GSXS GT or the Clip-ons on the Ninja 1000SX are too high and too close to the rider. You sit dead upright on a SPORT tourer which just feels weird and not sporty at all. These bikes should have the same riding/body position as the Ducati Supersport 950, Honda VFR800F and H2SX just mentioning the few ones that still exists (minus VFR800F😢) If the handlebars were a bit lower you could have a tiny bit more weight on your wrists and a little less weight on your ass and still be comfortable but feel and ride much more sporty. I was looking like crazy how to lower the bars on my Ninja 1000 SX but here was no easy fix, neither was it an easy fix for the GSX-S1000F as your GT was named earlier. There was so many owners on the forums of these bikes talking about that they wanted to lower the handlebars as well because they felt the position was unnecessary upright. It is a damn shame that the manufacturers have to make almost all the bikes dead upright, where all the weight is on your ass and you are like a sail in the wind where almost no windscreen works like it should, if the riding position was a bit more sporty you would lean into the wind more making it feel a lot better combined with the windscreen. If your GSX-S1000GT had handlebars or clip-ons lower as the old BMW K1300S or the VFR1200F which were still comfortable sport tourers, I would buy the GSX-S1000GT this summer.
So funny, but the thought of full leathers, gloves & boots is just so far away from 7/10ths, maybe 8/10ths- all day long! In comfy gear. But, I get bored I can drop a gear? Tuono 660 Factory in 'Too Fast'. Stinking love this beast.
I’d say the RS660 makes sense for most street riders because it’s not that aggressive of an attack position with the raised bars. If I was going to have a track bike 600, the RS660, R6, and ZX6R would be what I’d be struggling to choose between before saying screw it the answer is always GSXR750 lol. It is funny watching you on both bikes because the RS you ride closer to how you should on track and the Tuono you ride like you’re on street mildly aggressive. Like very safe, not attacking the apex, not leaning hard, braking early, late acceleration on both. But the RS is much less noticeable and closer to what should be expected on track. I also had a pretty good laugh when I called out what race suit you’re wearing, even though I’ve never worn one, simply because of the design on the arms is the same as the palm of the Sedici gloves I have.
Hey man I hoping you can answer a few questions of mine if possible. I'm looking to get an Aprilia and still can't decided which I would like better the RS or the Tuono. I'm a 5'4, 140lbs with next to no back problems. 1) Can I justify buying a RS for street use? 2) is it worth spending the extra $$$ over the regular Tuono (not factory)? 3) Does the performance out weight the cons of riding in an more aggressive style compared to the Tuono?
OC: I think Chase is somewhat WRONG here and I would rather take the RS660 body position on the street as well as the track compared to the Tuono (Tuono is much worse on highway as well), what he explains about the RS660 being better in turns applies on the road as well, and it is not that uncomfortable as a pure supersport. If I remember correctly the riding position on the RS660 is not as aggressive as an R1 or RSV4 for example, but more of a middle ground between the Tuono and the RSV4. For me as a tall rider, that is more comfortable than sitting dead upright in the wind like on many naked bikes and sadly also SPORT tourers. I really wish more manufacturers made sporty street bikes and sport touring bikes with a more aggressive but comfortable riding position again like they used to (think of Honda VFR800F and the Suzuki SV1000S faired version). People that complain about their bad backs, have like every bike to choose from right now, which sucks. They can have their adventure style bikes to ride on , that is fine by me, but please make sporty bikes sporty again. Riding upright on a sport bike just feels wrong.
RS660 and Tuono660 don't really differ much in terms of 'aggresiveness'. You can see this @1:57. I'd say it's like a Ninja400/R3/R7 type of sportsbike and far from true supersport stance like an R1/RSV4.
It must be personal preference because I don’t agree. I got the tuono because the position was much much more comfortable for me on the road. Taking it to my first track day Memorial Day so we’ll see but on the street for me it’s a perfect position. Depends on the rider.
Now I'm curious how you'd like the tuono 660 on the road versus the 1100 you rode. OC: for a track day, I'd take the RS, not that I have any experience with it... But it would be nice to use
I have not ridden the 660, but they are worlds apart in performance. The 1100 is mayhem and chaos, I'm willing to bet the 660 does not pop a power wheelie @150 km/h on the 3rd gear 😁
@@vegaspony no offense, but I didn't mean an oversimplified observation/opinion. I meant an entertaining and informative review and opinion of the specific reviewer i mentioned. 👍
Bro tell me about it. It's actually the CPL we had installed between the lens and sensor that has all the material on it but either way it drove me crazy seeing this footage.
The rs 660 doesn’t have a “typical “ sport body position, it’s way less radical than let’s say a gsxr just as an example, in Italy it’s considered one of the most street friendly sport bikes because exactly for this reason....
I took my Tuono 660 Factory and swapped the upper and lower triple clamps so I could switch to clip-ons. I. LOVE. THIS. BIKE. Best of both worlds.
I want to do that too, do you know if its possible to just use the clamps of the rs 660? 🤔
@@jarno6452 Offset between the tuono lower clamp and RS top clamp is off by 2mm, so nope... and nobody makes a top triple for the Tuono without handlebar mounts (yet). Only way to do it is to swap in the RS lower as well which is not a small project. Gotta find a way to lift the front of the bike without a front stand since any front stand will lift it from either the lower triple or the bottom of the forks, both of which have to come off the bike. AF1 will happily order an RS 660 lower triple/steering column + bearing and dust cover though. It wasn't a cheap mod, but jesus do I love how the bike came out. It is cheaper than getting an RS and upgrading the suspension to match the Factory though (assuming you do the work yourself).
@@JoshPhillips7781 wow, thanks for quick and indeep response! Guess ill have to wait a few sallarys and let professionals do it with the lower aswell.. And you dont run into problems with the grips or levers touching the front "fairings"?👍🤔
@@jarno6452 I worked with the guys from Woodcraft to make sure I had the right setup to ensure that didn't happen (it was their first Tuono conversion too, so they were excited to help out). Ended up with 75mm side mount risers with 51mm fork clamps with their RS 660 top clamp. Assuming you position them properly, they clear the tank and front fairing with zero issues. In this configuration, the ends of the bars drop about 3.25" compared to the stock handlebar (although you can adjust the bar angles by about 7 degrees) and the bars end up slightly wider than the stock bar too. I've tried both 12" and 13.5" bars and I prefer the 13.5" personally.
If you can do it yourself, you should, as it is likely a 5 hour job at the shop. Where I live, that's basically $1k in labor. Beyond getting it in the air (I used my Abba Sky Lift), nothing about the job is difficult. Even if you have to buy a lift, assuming you have a basic set of tools it is still cheaper than the labor (and as a bonus, you get to have an intimate afternoon with your bike). You just have to remove the fairings, front wheel, and forks before you replace the steering column and reassemble the controls. Also a good opportunity to clean your front brakes since you already have the wheel off... If you have someone else do it, you are still looking at probably an hour adjusting everything to fit you anyway. At the end of the day, I have a more comfortable bike that feels better to ride more aggressively, and it looks freaking beautiful. I will confidently say that I have one of the best looking Tuono 660's on the planet.
Love seeing you out there on the track.
Aprilia is pretty awesome for doing demo days on a track.
Chase you are absolutely spot on with the body position point. I can relate seeing I traded in my RS660 for a Tuono V4 1100. I noticed exactly what you felt on the ride home. I was going thru some tight corners on the Tuono and noticed my body wasn't in the correct position on the bike like I was on the 660 which takes some adjustment with the upright handle bars. Congrats on your track day and great video!
Great video Chase. Nice to see some Aprilia content. I replaced my CBR500R last May with a 22 RS660. I have taken it on 1 long excursion from Southern AB, Canada, down to Montana and back and I gotta say:
For anyone considering this bike it's an AMAZING alternative to the traditional sportbikes we know and love like the R6 or ZX6R or GSXR. You should definitely take a look at this bike for your everyday riding needs. Yes it's more money but my god, the smiles per gallon and the distance I can put on this thing before being sore is incredible. I have a bike that gets compliments often (rarely experienced on the Honda I had) which is really fun too. Can't really imagine doing an 8 hour saddle day/travel weekend on the more traditional sportbikes like I did on the RS 660!! Unfortunately no tracks nearby where I live though :/
Blottskie would you not agree that the RS660 has the perfect riding position even for the street and for some sport touring and not just the track that many tends to believe? I would even say the opposing thing to Chase that it would feel better on the street than the Tuono 660. The RS660 has that perfect comfortable sporty riding position I wish more bikes had.
The more traditional sport bikes must be really uncomfortable for anything else than track.
@@mathias6423 I am a guy that prefers fully-faired motorcycles in general so maybe I am biased! There was a guy who used to ride in our group on the MT-09 and I just couldn't get into the seating position and I hated it (aside from the engine). The RS660 truly feels designed FOR ME at 6ft 200+lbs it doesn't seem cramped at all. I was pleasantly surprised when I was able to do an 8 hour travel day, with breaks as per usual, and I felt BARELY more sore than I did on the very upright CBR500R I used to own. Just an incredible all-around "do everything you want it to" machine. The Tuono is a nice compromise but I have never even sat on one, from the first moment I laid eyes on the RS660 and sat on it...I knew there was no point. Bonus points for trippin' when you aren't wringing it out, the RS660 gets pretty good fuel economy too.
@@Blottski Sounds good man, no need to sit on the Tuono, a bit less aggressive and no fairings.
@@Blottski Yeah I like the engine on the MT-09 but would prefer it if Yamaha made an R9 with a riding position closer to the RS660, that would be a really nice bike.
I'm currently on a cb500f and I'm looking to upgrade and I'm torn between the RS and Tuono. Id prefer the RS but I don't want to be super uncomfortable on really long rides
Interesting vid. I bought an RSVR 1000 & soon realised I should have bought the Tuono. The RSVR killed my hands & wrists. It was so painful at low speed. I would definitely choose the Tuono Factory as it's way more comfortable & is practically faired anyway. It also has better suspension, gearing & is also lighter & cheaper too.
I own the new 2023 RS660. It's an awesome motocycle. I never go to track and mostly use it for street squiding 😂
There's more than just body position. The suspensions are not the same. Fully adjustable on the Tuono 660 Factory, preload and rebound only on RS660. Not to mention the rear shocks are completely different.
Sprocket as well, if I recall correctly
@@johnniejohnsonv yessir. Chase said "mapped" differently, which is incorrect. Shorter gearing due to sprocket setup.
I'm actually looking at both of these this week and I think I'll go with the Tuono 660 Factory, as I'll probably never see the track with it but spend a good amount of time up in the mountains.
Just picked up a 2021 Aprilia Tuono 660 and absolutely love it so far!!!
Tuono is a beast but if I were to get one I would go with the RS660 for street & track.
100% agree.
Dude hasn’t even checked the specs before posting this. 100% quality content right here
Actaully tuono 660 factory has better suspension , more power, more aggressive gearing.
And half the price
Tuono more power ?
Half the price? Lmao bro they’re basically the same price
@jamestrotter7852 yeah not sure where that guy got half the price from
Correct except they have the same power.
Poor beau sun burnt! Always great stuff guys. Keep up the amazing work
@2wheelsammy spotted at the 1min mark
RS660 for me it is comfy enough for me and i want a sporty position/bike
Thank you. This was exactly what I wanted to know.
great video. The only one where I see an aprillia 660 passing something on the track. You must be riding with the rookie group.
I own an RS660 and have never been near a track. I'd love to try the Tuono factory though. Have you compared the big brother versions side by side?
That's one of the problems I sometimes have on my GSXS-1000GT, It's more upright and sometimes in certain corners it doesn't feel right at spirited riding paces which has me considering a supersport for more aggressive rides. It feels like riding a naked bike only with tighter leg positioning so sometimes it can be awkward if you don't get body positioned right.
Yeah I agree with you 100%. That is exactly one of my points that I made in another comment on this video and many others. The Suzuki GSX-S1000GT and Kawaski Z1000SX or Ninja 1000SX if you will are prime examples of sport touring going wrong. What you mention is something a lot of owners (me included as I had the Ninja 1000 SX 2018) are complaining about on the forums of these bikes as well. The handlebars on the GSXS GT or the Clip-ons on the Ninja 1000SX are too high and too close to the rider. You sit dead upright on a SPORT tourer which just feels weird and not sporty at all.
These bikes should have the same riding/body position as the Ducati Supersport 950, Honda VFR800F and H2SX just mentioning the few ones that still exists (minus VFR800F😢) If the handlebars were a bit lower you could have a tiny bit more weight on your wrists and a little less weight on your ass and still be comfortable but feel and ride much more sporty.
I was looking like crazy how to lower the bars on my Ninja 1000 SX but here was no easy fix, neither was it an easy fix for the GSX-S1000F as your GT was named earlier.
There was so many owners on the forums of these bikes talking about that they wanted to lower the handlebars as well because they felt the position was unnecessary upright.
It is a damn shame that the manufacturers have to make almost all the bikes dead upright, where all the weight is on your ass and you are like a sail in the wind where almost no windscreen works like it should, if the riding position was a bit more sporty you would lean into the wind more making it feel a lot better combined with the windscreen.
If your GSX-S1000GT had handlebars or clip-ons lower as the old BMW K1300S or the VFR1200F which were still comfortable sport tourers, I would buy the GSX-S1000GT this summer.
That engine sounds fantastic
Bro this is wild. I was riding both these bikes today as well!
Dude, this was awesome!
Supersport better on the track. My mind is blown.
Great video as I"m considering a naked bike vs sport for track. Thanks. Perfect timing.
I wonder if a different windshield would help any on the Tuono. The stock one is pretty useless
So funny, but the thought of full leathers, gloves & boots is just so far away from 7/10ths, maybe 8/10ths- all day long! In comfy gear. But, I get bored I can drop a gear? Tuono 660 Factory in 'Too Fast'. Stinking love this beast.
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Happy to see you keep hitting the high beams too, not only me on the 660 😂😂
cut back the switch lever a bit😉
haha same here, i thought its only me
me too lol all the time!
Upgrade the windscreen on the tuono and that’ll help with drag.
Tuono just a regular full fairing bike without the under belly plastics. Not a naked. @ me
I’d say the RS660 makes sense for most street riders because it’s not that aggressive of an attack position with the raised bars. If I was going to have a track bike 600, the RS660, R6, and ZX6R would be what I’d be struggling to choose between before saying screw it the answer is always GSXR750 lol. It is funny watching you on both bikes because the RS you ride closer to how you should on track and the Tuono you ride like you’re on street mildly aggressive. Like very safe, not attacking the apex, not leaning hard, braking early, late acceleration on both. But the RS is much less noticeable and closer to what should be expected on track. I also had a pretty good laugh when I called out what race suit you’re wearing, even though I’ve never worn one, simply because of the design on the arms is the same as the palm of the Sedici gloves I have.
Hey man I hoping you can answer a few questions of mine if possible. I'm looking to get an Aprilia and still can't decided which I would like better the RS or the Tuono. I'm a 5'4, 140lbs with next to no back problems.
1) Can I justify buying a RS for street use?
2) is it worth spending the extra $$$ over the regular Tuono (not factory)?
3) Does the performance out weight the cons of riding in an more aggressive style compared to the Tuono?
Very Nice video Chase as usual
OC: I think Chase is somewhat WRONG here and I would rather take the RS660 body position on the street as well as the track compared to the Tuono (Tuono is much worse on highway as well), what he explains about the RS660 being better in turns applies on the road as well, and it is not that uncomfortable as a pure supersport. If I remember correctly the riding position on the RS660 is not as aggressive as an R1 or RSV4 for example, but more of a middle ground between the Tuono and the RSV4. For me as a tall rider, that is more comfortable than sitting dead upright in the wind like on many naked bikes and sadly also SPORT tourers.
I really wish more manufacturers made sporty street bikes and sport touring bikes with a more aggressive but comfortable riding position again like they used to (think of Honda VFR800F and the Suzuki SV1000S faired version).
People that complain about their bad backs, have like every bike to choose from right now, which sucks.
They can have their adventure style bikes to ride on , that is fine by me, but please make sporty bikes sporty again. Riding upright on a sport bike just feels wrong.
It just sucks at low speed even tho it’s more comfortable than typical clip ons from my exp
@@rs660alec I do not ride much in low speed, are you thinking since there is no wind pushing you up at low speed or ?
RS660 and Tuono660 don't really differ much in terms of 'aggresiveness'. You can see this @1:57. I'd say it's like a Ninja400/R3/R7 type of sportsbike and far from true supersport stance like an R1/RSV4.
@@rs660alec What sucks at low speed ? I have one and no complains even at low speed compaired to a roadster
It must be personal preference because I don’t agree. I got the tuono because the position was much much more comfortable for me on the road. Taking it to my first track day Memorial Day so we’ll see but on the street for me it’s a perfect position. Depends on the rider.
Now I'm curious how you'd like the tuono 660 on the road versus the 1100 you rode.
OC: for a track day, I'd take the RS, not that I have any experience with it... But it would be nice to use
I have not ridden the 660, but they are worlds apart in performance. The 1100 is mayhem and chaos, I'm willing to bet the 660 does not pop a power wheelie @150 km/h on the 3rd gear 😁
Would love a video on the rs compared to other midsize bikes
Hey chase love the videos but if I going to do some canyon carving which would be better?
The tuono has shorter rake tho
Those are some fast Boiis. No cap...or should I say cool cap? 😎
OC: Chase has officially lost it! lol
Thanks!
Chase can you do a comparo betwee: r7, CBR 650r, and RS660 or Tuono 660?!! 😁 Not enough reviews out there for the bikes in this class together.
the aprilias are better but more expensive. you're welcome.
@@vegaspony no offense, but I didn't mean an oversimplified observation/opinion. I meant an entertaining and informative review and opinion of the specific reviewer i mentioned. 👍
@@A_Wolf Aprilias are more fun but reliability is up in the ass
2wheelssammy spotted
Your dirty camera sensor was really throwing me off lol but a very enjoyable video overall
Bro tell me about it. It's actually the CPL we had installed between the lens and sensor that has all the material on it but either way it drove me crazy seeing this footage.
The Aprilia 660 is NOT a super bike
"Supersport" yeah, nah
So when you gonna actually “first ride” these mfs 🙂
Where’s yummy gone
Yeah... totally different bikes!😅
Whats is that “Z” sticker sign on the RS’s wind shield about?? pro-Russian army symbol??
1:01 2wheeeelssaammyyyy wooooo!!!!
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