How is Anger the Same as Murder?
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- Sermon on the Mount E10 - In Matthew 5:21-48, Jesus reveals the divine wisdom of Israel’s Old Testament laws through six case studies. In the first case study, he expounds on one of the Ten Commandments, “Do not murder” (Exod. 20:13). After acknowledging this command, Jesus takes it further by saying that anyone who is angry with his brother or publicly shames someone is also guilty of murder. What does he mean? In this episode, Jon and Tim discuss Matthew 5:21-32, exploring key concepts-such as murder, contempt, and divine justice-and what they tell us about the value of human beings.
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Jon Collins is the creative producer for today’s show, and Tim Mackie is the lead scholar. Production of today’s episode is by Lindsey Ponder, producer; Cooper Peltz, managing producer; Colin Wilson, producer; and Stephanie Tam, consultant and editor. Tyler Bailey is our audio engineer and editor, and he provided the sound design and mix. JB Witty does our show notes, and Hannah Woo provides the annotations for our app. Today’s hosts are Jon Collins and Michelle Jones.
Man, talk about sobering. It's like I have to repent on the daily, the hourly, the... minutely? Constantly, for sure. I am writing flippantly but my heart is pierced deeply. How morally upright and just is our God.! Wow. He is worthy of every bended knee.
To live life conscientiously is to repent. This means that we must become aware of all our psychological processes to prepare the way and cleanse the house for Christ to reside. If we are not aware, the thieves of our defects or sins enter and create all the conflagration that wreaks havoc on our lives.
I love this. When I first heard this at the beginning of this year I started meditating on it and realized that it's not good enough to go to church every week, be involved in my community, and do right by every person I interact with, AND YET have a bad relationship with my mother because of my upbringing. This really convicted me. God wants you to turn, or at least try to turn, every bad relationship around. The whole sermon is all abiut relationships and how we have been taking them for granted for the last several thousand years, and we continue to do this even now. Sad really. . .
Our relationship with God is our relationship with others because each and every one is filial, siblings and neighbours. If we find God in each and every person we meet then we respect what is Godly within them, which is Christ that resides in the very bosom of their hearts.
All of this offers to us a serenity of heart because we make peace with others. Then our meditation can take more profoundness because we have cleared a way for the light to unveil itself within our lives. Richness then becomes of the soul, not of the flesh. Virtues are then our garments because we no longer psychologically hide before others. How beautiful, simple and innocent is that life of children into physical old age.
That was so sobering and convicting. This is one I’m going to need to relisten to again against to meditate on and let it transform my heart and mind. Thank you Bible Project, Tim and Jon, for all your work on this series! It’s been so helpful to listen through and one of my favorite for sure.
So, so, so very much enlightening. May the Lord bless you always and share with us His wonderful Wisdom. This video helped me solve a big crisis with Matthew 5:22, in which seemed that Jesus was teaching that cursing leads to Hell, which clashes with so many verses and with the principle of salvation through Grace. After this video, all was clarified and tons removed from my back. Thank you so very much.
There are different ways in which we can curse, such as through our thoughts, emotions, and actions. Although they are not equivalent, they all create a space for temptation. This is how God measures or weighs us because they accumulate as adjustments into what is present and what is hidden before God. What is present shines in the light as virtues while what is not conceals itself as our defects, sins and self-will. In all of this God’s grace works, but without our efforts we condemn ourselves. How can we say to an addict they will be saved if they do not commit to an upright and ethical life, free from vice? We depend so willingly on God’s grace without first looking into ourselves and the tremendous application we can make of the apparatus of our brain, heart and body to sanctify ourselves and to make room for God.
I learned a lot from this
The way, the life and the truth, JESUS.
Thank you for that in-depth explanation. I finally understand what Jesus is saying. His words make sense. We are all valuable. It certainly does hurt to be treated as cheap or of no value. I've experienced that. Cuts like a knife.
❤ Love it! Here is some additional food for thought. Hannah Arendt's "Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil" explores the concept of evil as not necessarily originating from extreme malice or intent, but rather from a thoughtless adherence to bureaucratic processes and societal norms. This idea can correspond with Jesus's Sermon on the Mount in the sense that both address the nature of evil and human behavior. Jesus's teachings emphasize the importance of inner righteousness, love, and mercy, which contrast with the superficial adherence to rules and conventions that Arendt critiques in her analysis of Eichmann's actions. In essence, both challenge individuals to reflect on their actions and motivations, encouraging a deeper understanding of morality and the human condition.
Bible Project, I love ❤️ your in-depth teaching. Praise God! I understand sin starts with Pride/Ego 》Disobedience 》Lies 》Greed 》Rebellion 》Hell/Death.
This conversation is so so helpful! Excellent food for thought and heart! Thank you for being messengers of our Heavenly Father! I would just add to your statement in min 51 that God actually does not bring any punishment on the evildoers .. it is evil itself that brings disaster, suffering and destroys itself ... God merely tells us - through Jesus here - about the troubles as He foresees it all and warns us what we will face if we don't respect His advice
🙏Thank you Jesus Bless These Faithful servant's ✝️ Emanuel
This information makes God's justice rendered on the cross much more weighty and humbling. Thank you!
Great discussion. Educational, moving, insightful. I do wish, however, you didn't hold back or soften the horrific occurrences at Gahena. I'm motivated to be aware of my actions and attitudes towards others. Thank you.
This podcast was great. Thank you so much. It's helped me understand the value of others much better and relationships. I struggle with knowing what to do with family that I value very much. Two members have manipulated situations a number of times to get another member angry with me. The last time I had enough of the lies and called those two members out with the hope of reconciling all relationships. All three don't want to deal with what they have done to hurt the relationship with me so I've struggled with what God calls me to do now. Maybe Bible project could do a podcast on that topic.
I need something like this too... great question!
So powerful to talk about treating someone as if they are of no value, another way of arguing that they should not have even been born. Well, loop over to I Cor 1 (I guess Tim would say hyperlink) where Paul is presenting the case of God’s upside down world trifecta of aspects of His people, and one of those is that we were “unmade” or “not made.” In the Greek there (1 Cor 1:28), he uses a Greek term sometimes used as a slur that a person is of no significance, of being the equivalent of your worth is that you should not even have been born. Paul is saying that’s who God chose. I’m that guy.
interesting observation
Thank u
Yup yup but u are fine. Tqvm!! 🙏😇 Hope to see u all soon if available.
Weird lead in .. “thats Tim M?” Scared me! Thought it sounded like a eulogy. 🤣😂Took 5 minutes for my heart to quit pounding. Love the topic though guys!! Thanks
We do not want to give what is holy to dogs, nor throw our purls to swine, but if someone is a brother in Christ Jesus, we are required to make restitution with those we have trespassed against, that is those we may have angered. If we feel someone has overstepped our boundaries, we are commanded to go to them privately first, and settle matters. If our brother is not willing to make restitution, then we are required to go with two, or three brothers. (Notice it says two or three, not one or two, for good reason) If he still persist in his bad behavior, then we are required to set him before the Church leaders, and if he still is unwilling to bend, he is to be expelled from the Church. Now, if someone realizes he has done his brother a wrong, and suppose his brother suppresses the anger, and says nothing, then the one who caused offense has a problem with the Almighty in Heaven. His prayers and all of his good deeds will be of no value to the Most High. So, then the second part about the person going to the sacrificial altar, must first make peace with his offended brother.
One good thing about this procedure of reconciliation is that others more wise than ourselves, will be able to know if our problem is justified, and if we are blinded to our own wrong. It may be a bitter pill to swallow, and if we persist in not listening to those wiser than we, what punishment we intend on our brother could actually come to us!
Deuteronomy 19:16-21 (KJV)
[16] If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong; [17] Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days; [18] And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother; [19] Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you. [20] And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you. [21] And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
Matthew 18:15-20 (KJV)
[15] Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. [16] But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. [17] And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. [18] Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. [19] Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. [20] For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Reactive Abuse would be an example of making someone angry as a control tactic that would make the abuser’s sacrifice to the LORD worthless in the eyes of the LORD.
“Abuse is a dangerous and prevalent issue for many people. However, it can be incredibly nuanced, which can make the abuse difficult to identify. One type of abuse that happens frequently is called reactive abuse. Reactive abuse is much like gaslighting, as it’s a tactic used by perpetrators of abuse to shift justifiable blame away from themselves and onto other people.”
“…it’s one of the four horses of the marriage apocalypse.”
What is the other three? 😮
I have one question about the sacrifice of children and when God says, "I never commanded this, nor did it ever come into my mind." I know Abraham did not, in the end, sacrifice Isaac in the fire, but he was commanded to initially. How does this play with the story of Abraham and Isaac?
My question is, when you see someone every day that grew up in an environment where they insult someone, and that’s who they are? How do you with the help of God stop them to do that? Or you react to it…yeah you can ignore it but sometimes those insult stings. So basically how do I help them to stop insulting people if others don’t see a problem with it. They see it as a joke and you need to laugh and not take it seriously.
Yes! Dealing with this too!
These perfection of the commandments were to show believers that without “Christ living within you” the righteousness of The Lord is impossible to keep. Do the podcast writers even understand this?
Thank you. That’s important to meditate on.
So when God is angry and hates things… and I believe the word hate is used once or twice toward people not just their sins, is that because His heart is angry and hating for good reason unlike our selfish hating?
The beginning of hatred comes when we divide ourselves from the will of God, alluded to as making peace with our Abel, הבל, because we are in the archetype of Cain, קין. The will of God is given to us within the Garden of Eden, before the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, instructed upon to Adam and Eve.
Now, we must understand what the will of Cain is, which we must change. Cain tills the ground for materialistic pleasure and sensation. He puts his wealth into this life, instead of the life to come. He indulges in fornication, instead of transmuting his sexual force in order to give it to God. He is required to uphold the covenant, which is the virtue of chastity.
To be angry with purpose is righteousness. That is to destroy those negative elements within ourselves, or psychological defects, in order to return to God. Then, we know that the enemy exists within ourselves instead of outside of ourselves.
44:00 & ff -- "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth"
hmm
[[ oh, he actually says that a couple mins later ]]
Interesting: gehenna might just be God's anger, that we are building up through our sins. It's going to become a dumping ground for the sinners, when God will get rid of it before destroying it at the end of times? Food for thought to me at least! Haha! Thank you for the awesome discussion!
We experience Gehenna (Hell, Klipoth, קליפות) here and now because our lives are filled with fire (selfish desire) and inexplicable suffering. This is evidenced by the myriad of problems and strifes we encounter. Furthermore, if we observe the world around us, we find this even more evident. To reconcile with this punishment, one must understand the parable of Cain and Abel. This entails looking within ourselves, correcting our psychological defects to discern what is worthy and worthless in our lives. Everything we accumulate, all that is precious and meaningful, is truly vanity. Without knowing God, we do not understand the worth of life and the things within it.
@@bossybuddhaCain and Abel are not a parable. And no, this worls is not Gehenna, because God did not create it to be Gehenna.
48:30 --- actually, many reports from people who experience NDEs and God shows them hell depict this exact circumstance interesting...
If we say to another 'you fool,' we are exposing their lack of knowledge. Here, we see the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil shining before us. If we abolish that tree, or the stone that the builders rejected, we become true fools. We are left without divine knowledge, without Eden, עדן, within our souls. This signifies entry into the sexual mysteries, which is why it is contested so vehemently in Matthew 5. How foolish it is for man to throw away the wealth of his sexual force, to fornicate, and not to know that within that very seed is brought forth all of the aromas, perfumery and savoury qualities of God.
1. Murder, anger, and insults -
2. In the book, "The Divine Conspiracy", the author makes the claim that Jesus is saying that anger towards someone as a whole rather than a specific action is wrong. This is wrong because you are embodying contemptuous anger at this point which is a form of anger where you are making the emotional judgement that their life has no value.
3. Be generous in your thoughts towards others and realize that only God can make the ultimate judgement on other people
4. Be careful. Even the smallest acts of anger, contempt, or disrespect can grow to a point where you devalue the person as a whole.
My view is different, Matthew 5.21-26 requires at least two people:
Ye haue heard that it was sayd vnto them of the olde time, Thou shalt not kill: for whosoeuer killeth shalbe culpable of iudgement.
But I say vnto you (Cain, Lamech, Paul), whosoeuer is angry with his brother (Abel, a young man, Stephen) vnaduisedly, shalbe culpable of iudgment. And whosoeuer sayth vnto his brother, Raca, shalbe worthy to be punished by the Councill. And whosoeuer shall say, Foole, shalbe worthy to be punished with hell fire.
If then thou (Abel, a young man, Stephen) bring thy gift to the altar, and there remembrest that thy brother (Cain, Lamech, Paul) hath ought against thee,
Leaue there thine offring before the altar, and goe thy way: first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
Agree with thine aduersarie quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him, lest thine aduersarie deliuer thee to the Iudge, and the Iudge deliuer thee to ye sergeant, and thou be cast into prison.
Verely I say vnto thee, thou shalt not come out thence, till thou hast payed the vtmost farthing.
(Matthew 5:21-26 GENEVA)
wow - what translation is that?
please elaborate?
are you saying that the good/redeemed/righteous one should be conscious of his offense to his unrighteous brother? and make amends before things get out of hand and bring tragic consequences against you??
I'm trying to understand
@@SDsc0rch the Geneva Bible is the first one that came across the pond from England. There may have been Latin translations that also came across when Christopher Columbus discovered the Americas, but it was read by the Catholic Priest only, not the common folk.
@@SDsc0rch First off, anger is not a bad thing. It can lead to good, the problem is, most people never learn to express it in a way that leads to that good: here is a quote from a book I’ve read. I agree with much of the book, but I do not agree with Less Carter’s egalitarianism, that is to say wives who think they have equal Authority to their God assigned household head, their husband.
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Anger taps into a desire for self preservation, in fact anger can be defined as the emotion of self preservation. Specifically, angry people wish to preserve personal worth, perceived needs, and heartfelt convictions.
Angry people want to feel as if they have significance and they are distressed as they assume others will not or cannot address them in a way that reinforces personal significance.
Angry people, however, tend to do themselves no favors because the legitimate message of self preservation can be communicated so distastefully that the receiver of the message hears nothing good.
We can learn to address anger constructively, for instance: requests can be made for appropriate treatment without the request turning into an opportunity to belittle or intimidate.
Boundaries and stipulations can be established even as the offending person is treated with dignity. The experience of anger need not be a springboard for foul treatment, it can actually prompt someone to stand up for needs and convictions in a positive manner.
Those who are caught in the anger trap however, have not learned to approach anger constructively. Shackled by insecurity, fragile egotism, shame, or distrust, their anger is so raw it can be displayed in circumstances that may not really warrant anger, and it is displayed in a manner that completely sabotages any possibility for relationship growth or healing.
The Anger Trap by Les Carter PhD Chapter 1
@@SDsc0rch Secondly, the angry person is required to love his brother, and forgive him, if he expects to be forgiven, as we will find out later, LORD willing. John points out that he who hates his own brother, hates God!
Thirdly: if we truly love our brother in Christ, then we are obligated to make peace with him, even if we think we have done no wrong. The reason is that if he is angry at us, and we know of it, and he is unable to forgive us in his heart, he will not only ruminate about it, that rumination can lead to bad health for him, and hellfire on Judgment day. So the one who may have offended, is complicit in his brother’s judgment and guilty of murder as well. Now, if someone is secretly angry, and gives no indication of being so, we are not guilty of any bad behavior that may come our way from him, but if he hasn’t gone all the way, we have opportunity to seek peace, and are required to do so. There are malignant people who hold secret grudges over minor things, or over stupid things, as seen in the Proverbs, and these people can be passive aggressive.
During a reading of the 48th Torah Portion Shoftim Judges - שׁוֹפְטִים I read a article by Dr.Jonathan Stökl of King's College London titled Can There Be Another Prophet Like Moses?
Dr. Stökl showed why a Prophet like unto Moses is actually impossible. There is a way out, and the impossibility of such a prophet proves that Christ Jesus is the Moses Like Prophet.
The way out is to apply the Torah’s death Penalty to such a prophet as a test, of his claim.
The Prophet Like unto Moses
Deuteronomy 18.15-22
Deuteronomy 18.19 (obey this Moses like Prophet)
Deuteronomy 12.32 (Do not Change the Torah of Moses)
Deuteronomy 13.4-5 (Put to death anyone who changes the Torah of Moses)
Deu 13.3 (do not listen to the one who claims to be the Prophet Like unto Moses)
Mark 7.1-23 (Jesus Christ is changing the Torah of Moses)
Mark 7.19 (Jesus Christ is changing the Torah of Moses)
Deu 13.12-18 (Put to death all who follow the one who claims to be the Prophet like unto Moses)
Acts 15.28-29 (The Holy Spirit is telling the followers of Jesus to change the Torah of Moses)
Christ is a title. The name Jesus, Yeshua, ישוע, יהשוה, hides a secret meaning as a pentagrammaton which is the pentagram. The same applies to Moses, Moshe, משה, which is an anagram of HaShem, השם, the Name. These point to stages of the path of initiation to the mysteries of enlightenment within all of us.
@@bossybuddha I’ll look into that. Thanks.
@@bossybuddha ישוע יבשה Jesus will be
ישוע עושי Jesus Does
@@bossybuddha יהשוה הושהי Yahshua Hoshehi
Did Abel try to make restitution with his brother? Well, he went into the field with him, did he not? He was willing to do whatever it was to make peace, but the jealous rage of Cain required Abel be dead. In this case Cain’s anger was unjustified, especially since the LORD himself warned him but with unclear consequences. We may deduce from the meaning of Abel’s name that Cain saw Abel as a good for nothing. The same holds for Stephen in the book of Acts and his brothers including Paul, who killed him for Christ’s sake. Everything Paul was doing to Stephen was 100% the right thing to do according to the Torah of Moses. Stephen tried to make things right, but just as Abel was killed and just as Our Lord and savior was killed, they killed Stephen. Did you know, The Prophet Like Unto Moses had to be put to death by Torah Law! ?!😮
H1893 (Strong)
הֶבֶל
hebel
heh'-bel
The same as H1892; Hebel, the son of Adam: - Abel.
Total KJV occurrences: 8
H1892 (Strong)
הֲבֵל הֶבֶל
hebel hăbêl
heh'-bel, hab-ale'
From H1891; emptiness or vanity; figuratively something transitory and unsatisfactory; often used as an adverb: - X altogether, vain, vanity.
Total KJV occurrences: 73
During a reading of the 48th Torah Portion Shoftim Judges - שׁוֹפְטִים I read a article in TheTorah website by Dr.Jonathan Stökl of King's College London titled Can There Be Another Prophet Like Moses?
Dr. Stökl showed why a Prophet like unto Moses is actually impossible. There is a way out, and the impossibility of such a prophet proves that Christ Jesus is the Moses Like Prophet.
The way out is to kill such a prophet as a test, of his claim.
The Prophet Like unto Moses
Deuteronomy 18.15-22
Deuteronomy 18.19 (obey this Moses like Prophet)
Deuteronomy 12.32 (Do not Change the Torah of Moses)
Deuteronomy 13.4-5 (Put to death anyone who changes the Torah of Moses)
Deu 13.3 (do not listen to the one who claims to be the Prophet Like unto Moses)
Mark 7.1-23 (Jesus Christ is changing the Torah of Moses)
Mark 7.19 (Jesus Christ is changing the Torah of Moses)
Deu 13.12-18 (Put to death all who follow the one who claims to be the Prophet like unto Moses)
Acts 15.28-29 (The Holy Spirit is telling the followers of Jesus to change the Torah of Moses)
During a reading of the 48th Torah Portion Shoftim Judges - שׁוֹפְטִים I read a article in TheTorah by Dr.Jonathan Stökl of King's College London titled Can There Be Another Prophet Like Moses?
Dr. Stökl showed why a Prophet like unto Moses is actually impossible. There is a way out, and the impossibility of such a prophet proves that Christ Jesus is the Moses Like Prophet.
The way out is to kill such a prophet as a test, of his claim.
The Prophet Like unto Moses
Deuteronomy 18.15-22
Deuteronomy 18.19 (obey this Moses like Prophet)
Deuteronomy 12.32 (Do not Change the Torah of Moses)
Deuteronomy 13.4-5 (Put to death anyone who changes the Torah of Moses)
Deu 13.3 (do not listen to the one who claims to be the Prophet Like unto Moses)
Mark 7.1-23 (Jesus Christ is changing the Torah of Moses)
Mark 7.19 (Jesus Christ is changing the Torah of Moses)
Deu 13.12-18 (Put to death all who follow the one who claims to be the Prophet like unto Moses)
Acts 15.28-29 (The Holy Spirit is telling the followers of Jesus to change the Torah of Moses)
My reply keeps vanishing, why?
Abel, Habel, הבל, is said to be the “emptiness” of our Soul because it is hallowed, hollowed, and holy, due to its nature of affinity to things belonging to God only. What are those things? Holy virtues, instead of attachment to materiality, especially in concern to fornication. This is why Cain was the tiller of the ground because he kept his wealth in his physical body by building his ego. The ego to Cain was valuable, whereas Abel was a herder of sheep, symbolically connected to following and teaching the ways of Christ.
You know we are actually in Malaysia right? I am "America" / "China" as both sides try to brainwash me..
There seems to be a 'trigger warning' at the beginning about challenging stories from the OT. Is that right? I wish there had been a warning that you were about to apologise for the word of God. The message itself is very helpful though.
The good life is for those who make peace.
No, dude, that's not right! I listened to the whole episode, I've not noticed anything like "apologising". Relax!