Of the 215 Jedi sent to Geonosis, 187 died... Why? Information from "Star Wars: Battles That Changed the Galaxy." Become a member to get access to perks: / @retneysholocron
My estimate is a lot of the Jedi died more then likely because they were not battle tested. I took martial arts for awhile and I had a class mate who said" in a fight I like to do this". I said what you never been in a fight, their all different. Same principle. Class training is different then real life.
That's why, most often than not, martial arts don't work well in a street fight. As Mike Tyson said "Everyone have a plan, until they get punch in the face"
@@MarvinHartmann452 pretty spot on. I've been taught stuff up to a black sash level, but I never received a sash. I was the class battle dummy. I honestly I never had to take things beyond the basic first 10 things we were taught in real life. Elements of martial arts work in street fights, like holds ect. But your not going to be out there in a cat stance. That same class mate was always into talking big I said okay you want to talk, let's go to the projects I'll give some 20$ to fight you. He never took me up on it.
even for real armies. empires often fell if a rising neighbor had fresh strength/won a few of their minor wars, and the bigger empire lost almost an entire generation of experienced warriors not too long prior. saddest example and arguably the biggest impact ever on world history was both the Byzantine and Persian empires dealing massive casualty blows against each other, no clear winner, and thus the new Islamic conquest army crushed Persia and took most of Byzantine territory quickly. the United states is quite badly in this position as well now. most iraq/afghan vets are out of service, and no real active combat conflict going on. there's more collective combat experience in the Bloods and Crypts than the US army.
The Jedi’s arrogance and complacency hurt them dearly. The Jedi forgot the 5 P’s, “Practice prevents piss poor performance.” Train, they did not, great losses they endured.
@@Rainmain667 What’s with the bitchy attitude? You noted an error, I corrected it.. that’s it. A typo can be a misspelled word as you’re typing. If you have ever used “Your” when should have used “YOU’RE” (which I’m sure you have done recently) then you should point a finger and lecture someone on what a typo is when your explanation was wrong. Don’t be a troll, mistakes are part of life, and a small one is not wroth a war of words. That’s childish.
I feel like the Mike Tyson quote is perfect for the Jedi here “Everyone has a plan till you get punched in the mouth.” These Jedi had never seen combat and were completely overwhelmed and outnumbered. It’s entirely justified so many died, contrary to some other comments.
The film was done in a very clever manner the battle of Geonisis showcases it. So during the clone wars story 3 stories are taking place, Obi-Wans investigation, Anakin and Padme romance and protection detail, The senate discussing building an army alongside the Jedi to prevent a war. Dooku had no clue Palpatine at the time planned to start the war so soon. Dooku is actually in shock and thrown off guard when Palpatine says "it's all as I planned". The movie jumps between all 3 stories in a chaotic way, when you think about it, they made it like that to show how chaotic the galaxy was at that point in time. Dooku wasn't prepared for the clones, the republic wasn't prepared for the droids. That's why Geonisis is such a mess, that mess made it hard for the Jedi to utilise the force. The whole movie was a symbolic showcase of the sheer chaos happening at the time. That chaos became the fuel for the clone wars to start earlier than anticipated. As a matter of fact Palpatine doesn't order Padmes assassination, thats all Newt Gunray, I think thats how its spelt. That's why when Palpatine sends Anakin to wipe out the seperatist leaders he demands no survivors. They forced Palpatine to accelerate his grand plan, that angered him. But Palps being Palps waited for the right time to have them eliminated. The way the prequel trilogy was filmed everything was done for a reason, every camera angle, the sparatic cutting, the grand plan was almost ruined. Dooku even tells them who the sith lord is, he tells them the master of the sith Darth Sidious is now running the republic.
That can more likely be Palpatine saving face infront of Dooku. The reason the war starts was because Kenobi came across the army way sooner than intended and it seems like Jango didn’t for-see Kenobi tracking him to Kamino so it possibly it was all just an accident and Palpatine doesn’t wanna admit it.
Dooku played on all of Windu's weaknesses: Adherence to rigidity, not putting stock in intelligence he didn't like, and extreme arrogance. It should have been clear Dooku was laying a trap, but Windu and the Jedi were so sure they could handle it that they committed to the attack anyway.
The Jedi had become the consolation-trophy winners of the galaxy. Each one was told they were special and powerful. They were prideful and convinced of their own abilities. The Sith had done their homework. The Jedi failed.
This is why I love Ep.II Attack of the Clones and it being my favorite in the 6-movie franchise. Not only for The Battle of Geonosis, which began The Clone Wars and gave us some of the greatest STAR WARS content we’ve ever seen.. But also the fact that there’s so much backstory and additional character development for the likes of Anakin and Obi-Wan. Also being that Attack of the Clones was sort of the “calm before the storm”.. The storm being the beginning of The Clone Wars. It gave us a young Anakin and showed us how much of a promising Padawan he is and how he’d go on to become a truly incredible Jedi Knight. I just love that whole time period, personally.
@@miggyv6856 ah I see. You’re one of those folks who think that you cannot have an emotional attachment to anything fictional. You see, you’re very misguided
I loved this battle. It showed that the Jedi are not immortal or all powerful, like humans, they can die. And their methods are not too pure or morally white, they can be corrupted and defy their own ethics or morals under the right circumstances
I do remember gerivous Punch a girl Jedi in the lower level to death i think he punched her heart out in the book if i remember correctly so yeah that arena has lots of scary jedi killing stuff
i really don't understand the concept of Jedi being handcuffed.... Makes zero sense. Even sidious dispatched the handcuffs from luke with simplicity.... so did anakin to palpatine...
My head canon is that half of these Jedi either left the Order in protest or requested to be reassigned to non-combative roles, since the path that Jedi Order took during the conflict wasn’t the Jedi way.
Jedi died because George needed an easy plot change without trying. If Jedi were in touch with the force, there should have been plenty of ways they would have been ready for attack and fought it off better. But a couple main chars can defy huge odds for the plot.
well the plot revolves around them because they are the most capable and thus the story is more interesting about them. Not really plot armor its just how stories about winners/survivors go.
So Mace is responsible for all those dead Jedi ☠️, and how they allow Anakin to be a Jedi knight so quick. And one more thing if only they would of train those Jedi knights more and they not only would they get those plans for the Death Star but captured Dooku.
Most of the genenals of jedi were shite there tactics stink and arrogance as really they kept going against Obi-Wan Kenobi who was a true general and leader ,thats my opinion anyway .obi knew politics as well he is the one that does not like the chancellor sensing something off with him and yodi amd mace just brush it off cus they over him .he warns them that anakin is not ready and needs more time to master the force and again yoda and mace brush it off like obi dont no shit when it turns out hes correct .
By what metric? Lack of preperation? Poor tactical performance? Being thrown into some thing they weren't trained for? You'd deserve it too by that same metric, which I think we could agree is unfair.
@@jozefmasny8349 That was a conscious decision to avoid families like the Halcyons, Koons and Sunriders from creating Force Dynasties. With regards to attachment, the entire issue with Anakin was because of his attachment, sure they needed more dynamic methods of addressing it, a more safe environment to allow treatment and a closer eye on Anakin, but the principle was valid; it was execution. It could have been far more detrimental far sooner if they had taken a more relaxed view on attachment.
My estimate is a lot of the Jedi died more then likely because they were not battle tested. I took martial arts for awhile and I had a class mate who said" in a fight I like to do this". I said what you never been in a fight, their all different. Same principle. Class training is different then real life.
That's why, most often than not, martial arts don't work well in a street fight. As Mike Tyson said "Everyone have a plan, until they get punch in the face"
@@MarvinHartmann452 pretty spot on. I've been taught stuff up to a black sash level, but I never received a sash. I was the class battle dummy. I honestly I never had to take things beyond the basic first 10 things we were taught in real life. Elements of martial arts work in street fights, like holds ect. But your not going to be out there in a cat stance. That same class mate was always into talking big I said okay you want to talk, let's go to the projects I'll give some 20$ to fight you. He never took me up on it.
That's why you have to practise martial arts which can be easily and naturally be used in a street fight, like Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu (overall MMA)..
@@Arch3R10 yes we were aware of this and basically created a MMA. It took elements of a number of things to make system rather then a style.
even for real armies. empires often fell if a rising neighbor had fresh strength/won a few of their minor wars, and the bigger empire lost almost an entire generation of experienced warriors not too long prior.
saddest example and arguably the biggest impact ever on world history was both the Byzantine and Persian empires dealing massive casualty blows against each other, no clear winner, and thus the new Islamic conquest army crushed Persia and took most of Byzantine territory quickly.
the United states is quite badly in this position as well now. most iraq/afghan vets are out of service, and no real active combat conflict going on.
there's more collective combat experience in the Bloods and Crypts than the US army.
The Jedi’s arrogance and complacency hurt them dearly. The Jedi forgot the 5 P’s, “Practice prevents piss poor performance.” Train, they did not, great losses they endured.
"Poor"
@@Rainmain667 Typo corrected.
@@thescepterofjudah12 it wasn't a typo unless you hit something two keys over. Piss poor grammar prevents piss poor results.
@@Rainmain667 What’s with the bitchy attitude? You noted an error, I corrected it.. that’s it. A typo can be a misspelled word as you’re typing. If you have ever used “Your” when should have used “YOU’RE” (which I’m sure you have done recently) then you should point a finger and lecture someone on what a typo is when your explanation was wrong. Don’t be a troll, mistakes are part of life, and a small one is not wroth a war of words. That’s childish.
no need to get mean about it@@Rainmain667
I feel like the Mike Tyson quote is perfect for the Jedi here
“Everyone has a plan till you get punched in the mouth.”
These Jedi had never seen combat and were completely overwhelmed and outnumbered. It’s entirely justified so many died, contrary to some other comments.
The film was done in a very clever manner the battle of Geonisis showcases it.
So during the clone wars story 3 stories are taking place, Obi-Wans investigation, Anakin and Padme romance and protection detail, The senate discussing building an army alongside the Jedi to prevent a war.
Dooku had no clue Palpatine at the time planned to start the war so soon.
Dooku is actually in shock and thrown off guard when Palpatine says "it's all as I planned".
The movie jumps between all 3 stories in a chaotic way, when you think about it, they made it like that to show how chaotic the galaxy was at that point in time.
Dooku wasn't prepared for the clones, the republic wasn't prepared for the droids.
That's why Geonisis is such a mess, that mess made it hard for the Jedi to utilise the force.
The whole movie was a symbolic showcase of the sheer chaos happening at the time.
That chaos became the fuel for the clone wars to start earlier than anticipated.
As a matter of fact Palpatine doesn't order Padmes assassination, thats all Newt Gunray, I think thats how its spelt.
That's why when Palpatine sends Anakin to wipe out the seperatist leaders he demands no survivors.
They forced Palpatine to accelerate his grand plan, that angered him.
But Palps being Palps waited for the right time to have them eliminated.
The way the prequel trilogy was filmed everything was done for a reason, every camera angle, the sparatic cutting, the grand plan was almost ruined.
Dooku even tells them who the sith lord is, he tells them the master of the sith Darth Sidious is now running the republic.
That can more likely be Palpatine saving face infront of Dooku. The reason the war starts was because Kenobi came across the army way sooner than intended and it seems like Jango didn’t for-see Kenobi tracking him to Kamino so it possibly it was all just an accident and Palpatine doesn’t wanna admit it.
Dooku played on all of Windu's weaknesses: Adherence to rigidity, not putting stock in intelligence he didn't like, and extreme arrogance. It should have been clear Dooku was laying a trap, but Windu and the Jedi were so sure they could handle it that they committed to the attack anyway.
Dino Jedi Trebor: "If I see Dooku Imma arrest him so hard."
Other Jedi: "Do it! Do it! Do it!"
Who needs Vader. When the Jedi have Hubris as their ally.
The Jedi had become the consolation-trophy winners of the galaxy. Each one was told they were special and powerful. They were prideful and convinced of their own abilities.
The Sith had done their homework. The Jedi failed.
droids and geonosians killed them tho
This would have never happened, if Obi Wan Kenobi joined Count Dooku when he had the chance.
No one cares about lots Jedi dying unless the order 66 theme is playing in the background
This is why I love Ep.II Attack of the Clones and it being my favorite in the 6-movie franchise. Not only for The Battle of Geonosis, which began The Clone Wars and gave us some of the greatest STAR WARS content we’ve ever seen.. But also the fact that there’s so much backstory and additional character development for the likes of Anakin and Obi-Wan. Also being that Attack of the Clones was sort of the “calm before the storm”.. The storm being the beginning of The Clone Wars. It gave us a young Anakin and showed us how much of a promising Padawan he is and how he’d go on to become a truly incredible Jedi Knight. I just love that whole time period, personally.
Only dozens of battle droids?
Does it not make any sense that 200 jedi would go just to rescue Obiwan? Seems like a ridiculous strategy.
They also wanted to capture Dooku and the Separatists
Great writing and narration 😎👍🏻
I'll bet emperor Palpatine loves it when an evil plan comes together it's insidious
I love the battle of geonosis RIP for all the Jedi that died
lol this isn't 9/11
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@@boiboi6202what point are you trying to make here?
@@StridersBoredthat it’s fiction??
@@miggyv6856 ah I see. You’re one of those folks who think that you cannot have an emotional attachment to anything fictional. You see, you’re very misguided
It really is amazing the Jedi ever became generals... after having lost so many on Geonosis!
This raises another question: How many Jedi died throughout the Clone Wars? (Not counting Order 66)
I loved this battle. It showed that the Jedi are not immortal or all powerful, like humans, they can die. And their methods are not too pure or morally white, they can be corrupted and defy their own ethics or morals under the right circumstances
The Jedi were so not ready for this kind of war
Wow. I didn't know other padawan trials were skipped. I thought it was just ani.
Sister of Depa Billaba was one of the fallen.
I do remember gerivous Punch a girl Jedi in the lower level to death i think he punched her heart out in the book if i remember correctly so yeah that arena has lots of scary jedi killing stuff
What movie is the clip from 6:11 in???? Anyone???
It’s the Order 66 montage in Revenge of the Sith
i really don't understand the concept of Jedi being handcuffed.... Makes zero sense. Even sidious dispatched the handcuffs from luke with simplicity.... so did anakin to palpatine...
My head canon is that half of these Jedi either left the Order in protest or requested to be reassigned to non-combative roles, since the path that Jedi Order took during the conflict wasn’t the Jedi way.
Jedi died because George needed an easy plot change without trying. If Jedi were in touch with the force, there should have been plenty of ways they would have been ready for attack and fought it off better. But a couple main chars can defy huge odds for the plot.
well the plot revolves around them because they are the most capable and thus the story is more interesting about them.
Not really plot armor its just how stories about winners/survivors go.
@@digitaladventurer2142 ha! Your Kung Fu is better than mine
That’s like saying Homer made the Greeks look weak compared to Achilles and Odysseus.
Where was windu during Yoda's fight
They show him on the battlefield leading clones
@@RetneysHolocron Yoda brought the clones and he still made it.
The Jedi were doomed to lose by the force, namely George Lucas.
police or law enforcers made to fight a full blown battle.
So Mace is responsible for all those dead Jedi ☠️, and how they allow Anakin to be a Jedi knight so quick. And one more thing if only they would of train those Jedi knights more and they not only would they get those plans for the Death Star but captured Dooku.
Plot armor jedi
Most of the genenals of jedi were shite there tactics stink and arrogance as really they kept going against Obi-Wan Kenobi who was a true general and leader ,thats my opinion anyway .obi knew politics as well he is the one that does not like the chancellor sensing something off with him and yodi amd mace just brush it off cus they over him .he warns them that anakin is not ready and needs more time to master the force and again yoda and mace brush it off like obi dont no shit when it turns out hes correct .
Jedi deserved it change my mind
By what metric? Lack of preperation? Poor tactical performance? Being thrown into some thing they weren't trained for? You'd deserve it too by that same metric, which I think we could agree is unfair.
They definitely deserved it. Arrogant, dogmatic and just plain ignorant. The purge was needed.
I can't change your mind . You must have a functional brain for that .
By making stupid decision. For example, not allowing attachments lead to losing the opportunity to pass down midichlorians to other generations, etc.
@@jozefmasny8349 That was a conscious decision to avoid families like the Halcyons, Koons and Sunriders from creating Force Dynasties. With regards to attachment, the entire issue with Anakin was because of his attachment, sure they needed more dynamic methods of addressing it, a more safe environment to allow treatment and a closer eye on Anakin, but the principle was valid; it was execution. It could have been far more detrimental far sooner if they had taken a more relaxed view on attachment.