I believe Dr. Fuller is accurate. I saw much of what he speaks of in the large SBC 'church' I used to attend. Their obsession with "seeker sensitivity" and worldly appeasement got progressively worse.
Excellent interview Jon, this is a helpful for SBC folks who somehow are not yet aware of the corruption in their own denomination. In other words, it is helpful for most SBC parishioners.
Sobering discussion from Russell and Jon today. And as we know from the Scriptures, the last great occurrence before the Lord calls His people home is the Great Apostasy. We are now well into that phase. So all true believers, recipients of the Holy Spirit, must be prepared and doing all they can to tie up any loose Spiritual ends, while the opportunity remains. The trump will sound soon, it must sound soon. Woe to all who are left behind.
We also need a deep dive into what all is involved in the return of the Lord. I highly recommend "The Passover King" by Travis Snow. It is deep dive. I would love to take some classes from Russell Fuller.
Francis Schaeffer, in his last book, "The Great Evangelical Disaster," said that the Southern Baptist Convention was in the same shape now (now being 1984) that the mainline denominations were in in the 1920s and '30s. 37 years later...
@@davegibbs6423 we have conservatives in the SBC. But they are being sidelined by big eva types who claim to be, guess what, conservative! There are clearly sides a d yet everyone is claiming to be on the same one
@@Richardcontramundum That's the rub. I wrote a paper on the mainlines in grad school. The liberals split from the conservatives at the Kennedy election, which was meaningful, because the reason for the older anti-catholicism (in context) was because of the hierarchies trying to turn all Protestant nations since the Reformation. Vatican I was anti-Democratic, etc. My point is that Kennedy said he would not put Vatican above US loyalty and liberal Democrats went with it. Their culture was changing. The two turning states were W. Va. and Texas. Conservative Protestants went more solidly conservative during Reagan's time, though by then things went more libertarian. Culture is critical for the Church. But, one should not chase trains. It is very important to hold it together. Nationally, we are headed toward a civil war or national divorce. You will find churches splitting like they did at civil war, if this does happen. Everyone pray!
@@davegibbs6423 I will add that we need to look at this in a strategic view instead of just looking at the SBC. Yes Adrian Rogers took the reins and others that led out of the liberal bent then, BUT this different. IMO, we will see Christ come back in my lifetime and I am 45. Maybe in the next 50 years and I can be wrong, but I’ve been all over the world and knowing what is going on on a national level in Africa and other countries, I do believe God is laying the groundwork for “short and final.” YBIC
Not surprised by all this. The SBC should die so the truth of God's word can flourish . What a mess. Its disgusting. My family left the SBC mainly because we are Calvinist, but the biblical corruption and just cultural corruption is more than enough. 20 years we defended the Baptist church as members. Not anymore.
If you're a Calvanist you obviously shouldn't be troubled. God decreed this to be, right? God commanded all these "leaders" to sin and it will reveal His glory, right? God "decreed" that these men sexually take advantage of these people, right? God is shaping these events by His absolute sovereignty, correct? Pretty sick god..... Pretty sick doctrine if you ask me. It is Calvanism that is the poison. When you have a low standard of sin, something God HATES, and a low standard of holiness, something God DEMANDS, then you'll get exactly this kind of putrid unholy church activity. If I were you I would start watching Soteriology101. There are other theologies that actually make Biblical sense.
@@leadinged - If Calvanism is true then God decrees everything. They believe sovereignty equals complete miniscule control of everything. If God is decreeing everything then He obviously wills it to happen. You cannot have it both ways. I think it is obviously a corrupt theology to say the least.
@@leadinged I saw something about baptizing practicing gays; are you sure about gay marriages? I think Andy is the worst false teacher within purported evangelicalism. Yet there continue to be some Christians who won't bring themselves to see that, incl. his dad sadly.
@@redfaux74 Will God eventually judge sinners and Satan as Revelation explains? If so what's holding him back now? Or in other words, what are his reasons for allowing things to be as they are? If he can, and in fact will do something about evil, why hasn't he done something already? If you give any biblical and reasonable explanation for this than the "problem of God permitting evil" or "willing" it is solved either way theologically(even for the Calvinist). Your misconception seems to be that you don't have the same problems to deal with. How easily can objections be made about a God who allows evil for any reason... or how easy can objections be made about God creating a world in which there is no "purpose" to suffering or evil if in fact he has not purposed it. If you were actually engaging with hopeless, lost, dying sinners on a regular basis you would clearly know that their are dissatisfied equally so despite whatever theology is given them. In other words, people see a monster for a God either way. At the end of the day your little rebuttal against our friend is exactly like the kinds of rebuttals made against every other alternative. You should have made a biblical effort to critique him rather than the silly one that was put forth. Furthermore, Soteriology 101 has served to solidify my convictions in Calvinisim. As a calvinist, I recommend it actually! Because I know that a careful listener with an open Bible can very well see inherent contradictions and inconsistency within the theology they promote.
@@isaias9516 - Jesus Christ has already judged the Devil and sin. Have you ever heard of the Old Testament? Adam and Eve? Rev has nothing to do with the year 2020 something. All sin has been judged. We're just waiting for Jesus to return for everyones paycheck. "The wages of sin is death." Why would Christianity have a problem with evil? Atheism is the one that has the problem with evil. Atheism can expect nothing but the worst case scenario if atheism is true. They deserve the worst kind of cancer, parasites, disease and to be eaten alive slowly by something with bigger, sharper teeth than them. They choose to reject the greatest good, they get the ultimate evil. Jesus came to redeem those who choose good, to kneel at His feet, His plan. He healed the lame, sick, raised the dead and preached "Repent, the kingdom of heaven is at hand." God told the children of Israel "I set before you good and evil, life and death. Choose life." It's very simple.
That seeker sensitive movement began in the early 1990’s in Louisville. (I was a student then). It is making a resurgence today only because people have been leaving the church due to the plandemic and the overwhelming worshipping at the altar of sports so “nickels and noses” are down. The leaders are just grasping at straws to try to grab more people no matter what apostate they become.
6:45 The other point in the Clinton/Lewinski affair that's often swept under the rug (or just forgotten) today is that, by her own account, she started it--she pursued him, not the other way around. He was by no means innocent in the whole mess, but neither was she in any way a victim of anything, much as she'd now like to claim otherwise.
I was hoping that this conversation would be more balanced. Everything is seen through a conservative lenses. Sexual assault victims are often wounded for life. No amount of money heals this. Only the grace and love of God can do this. Until these things touch your life through a family member or yourself it’s just more talking points.
@@mykilahsenwilliamsdorsey1495 In what way is this related to my comment about the Clinton/Lewinski affair, where by her own admission, she was the initiator?
Or bring them to Repentance and accountability so much so they become God's best workers for His TRUTH. Remember God changed you and me, He can change them too. That is His promise.
As the days go by, the wickedness just keep increasing. These apostates actually never believed in the God we worship, their god is one who is blind, deaf and mute to their wicked ways.
You cannot be an apostate if you've never believed. It comes from the word Apostle. The longer we deny scriptural truth the weaker our churches get. How can anyone know if they're saved using your example? Falling Away is not possible if you've never been on the way. Of course Calvanism is the real poison that makes people think lightly of sin in the first place and ergo.... here we are.
Yes but also don't forget who the Father of Lies is,people of GOD who knowingly follow pastors who. Ententually lie ,to their congregations for political power
The ‘Victim’ is absolved of all accountability. The victim is a shortcut to righteousness. The victim is the most powerful position in a manipulative power triangle; leaning on the ‘savior’ complex of those who want to BE god rather than worship God. Nothing new under the sun.
Exactly. These grown women had affairs with their professors. They were willing participants. Once I read about the stories, I said get over yourselves.
Dr. Fuller, would you pease consider pardnering with Jon and start a video blog. I think that it would be very profitable for all of us out here in confusionland to hear a voice of sound reason with a firm, solid Biblical foundation and permeation. It would be very similar to snippets of your formal classroom but more as a ministry to guide believing minds in applying Biblical truths to discernment, evangelism, polity, fellowship, and so forth infused with sound, Biblical theological underpinnings. Maranatha!
1 Peter 4:17: "For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?" Perhaps what we are seeing is God forcing His true flock to leave the SBC, which by all accounts is wallowing in apostasy. Who now within the SBC is obeying the gospel of God?
Your verse obliterates Calvanism into dust. That is the true poison. I can't see how anyone can see Piper as a true intellectual. He is the very definition of Creeper to me.
I attended SBTS from 1989-1992 with the School of Church Music. Thankfully Roy Honeycutt was the President and standing firm against the onslaught of the fight to remove him. He retired after I graduated. I said when Al Mohler was installed that he was going to be horrible. I had watched the “conservative movement” from my SBC church and said then that it was all about power and money. I didn’t care what was said. Well, how did that turn out? We were taught while at SBTS to give back once we graduated so others could attend as we did. The second year I told the student calling to take me off the list. I could see what was coming. Mohler destroyed the School of Church Music. We received very well rounded education by professors who knew what church music was and were out serving local churches. Then the seeker sensitive movement began along with the praise band movement. There was no way I could support that. So sad to see what has become of the SBC and SBTS. These men came in under the guise of “restoring inerrancy” when it was nothing except getting into power and having control of the money. Sadly, I was right. Said too that of the SBC went done the road of the Presbyterians and Methodists the SBC was done as well as the American mainline churches. Want a Bible teaching and preaching church? Find a non-denominational church. This is from a born, raised and educated SBC person. Just so sad to see what has happened over the past 30 years.
When an institution forsakes its foundation let it go where it will. God takes that position with his temple x 2, Judaism, and Roman Catholicism - all of which were once faithful institutions.
When we change the definition of rape or assault to that of a power dynamic, we embrace falsehoods that are antithetical to scripture. David did not rape Bathsheba, nor is her complicity negated because he was king. Nevermind an actual rape two chapters after this story. Simply put, women are attracted to powerful dudes and powerful dudes like women. Safeguards are necessary but not all encompassing.
Think of it as an introduction of class separation and it will become apparent. Some cultures are obsessed with classes. Relations between classes is strictly forbidden. The Left is just following and executing the lies of Satan.
@@lesterchua2677 class and race are interchangeable in a Marxist world view because it's about attaining power. America doesn't really have a history of class conflict to draw from, so Marxists use race instead.
The even greater issue is the way it is being handled due to the massive amounts of money involved and the want to defend organization's reputation so the money keeps flowing abundantly.💔🚫 Instead of standing on biblical values, principles, and instructions from God even if it means loosing most your financial donors 💯 What do they not trust that God will make a way to fund His own work? (Nobody's perfect and we all fall short, but this is corrupt as Washington, especially when it's Gods peoples money your living it up on)
This is real exegesis of Scripture; the kind of which I don't see today: "Ephraim is joined to idols; leave him alone." (Hos 4:17 ESV) Thank you Hebrew professor. preach it!
Hey Jon, a Presbyterian brother here. What would a decisive departure look like? What risks are involved for churches who want to leave but may have concerns of fallout? is there any potential fallout threatening churches from proceeding? Looking at this from the outside it appears the SBC is going down hard.
Many of the reformed SBC churches that are considering leaving are quietly working together to associate together when they leave so they don't end up striking out on their own.
Local Baptist churches own their own buildings and property, not the Convention (unlike in some other denominations), so fallout of that type is no problem.
This is what is so sad about the churches which stay in despite the manifest corruption. All they have to do is go to the trouble of finding another way to do missional giving outside throwing money blindly at the SBC cooperative fund. Why are good churches staying ? Ignorance ? Rationalization ? Tradition ? Misplaced optimism ? If you can figure it out, let me know. I continue to try to get my pastor to see the problem, sadly in the South of the US, nearly all the Baptist churches are SBC. Those that are not are almost universally KJV only, which in my view is a heresy which is almost on par with those promoted by the SBC. Yet, my local church is excellent modulo it's involvement with the SBC. I hate that we have only one reasonable choice for Baptist churches here and it necessarily associated me with the SBC. So, I continue to try to educate and motivate so hopefully my church eventually sees the light and leaves the SBC. I will admit, if the SBC would drift very liberal more quickly it would hasten or exit. It seems this EC investigation may well promote an acceleration of the corruption. Surely there must exist a level of outright false teaching and wordly behavior which will be a stench to the nostrils of my church. I hope that it the SBC is to fall, it falls quickly.
Name calling is so transparent. When your actions are not righteous , then name calling becomes the go- to weapon. Truth always comes out in the ashes of self destruction. Too bad for the SBC, but good for real justice.
J Frank Norris was exposing apostasy and corruption in the convention back in the 30s and 40s. A group broke off from the SBC in the 50s and started the Bible Baptist Fellowship.(which given up it's Baptist identity since the 90s
I pray and hope that Dr. Fuller is wrong, but if not I pray that he will be humbled and grieved by what is happening in the SBC, and that Fuller will not be bitter and disgruntled as a former employee. Pray for SBC.
Each local body should be independent of one another. Overseen by a plurality of Elders. The corp approach, SBC, Catholic, etc, lead to corruption of the whole.
@Richard A Definitely NOT Roman Catholic! Working that out but the Church structure that is run by Pastors and the word Pastor only appears in the NT ONCE! Home church run by elders is a good start. The Church has invested so much in buildings that are hardly used that isn't biblical stewardship MOST of the time...
@@mattwruff What is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth In Christianity ? Is it the CHURCH or is it the BIBLE ? (Pause and Answer) 1Timothy 3:15 “But if I should be delayed, you should know how to conduct yourselves in the household of God, which is the Church of God, which is ......... the Pillar and Foundation of Truth .” The Bible says that ONE Church (Not Church’s) is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth, but which Church? Jesus told Peter to build a Church and the Gates of Hell will Never prevail against that Church (Mathew 16:18). Jesus didn’t tell his Apostles to write a New Testament. The Bible was produced by the Church at the Council at Rome over 350 years after Jesus died.
@@mattwruff Part 3 Tertullian Prescription Against Heretics ch 32 (160- 240 ad) "Where was [the heretic] Marcion, that shipmaster of Pontus, the zealous student of Stoicism? Where was Valentinus, the disciple of Platonism? For it is evident that those men lived not so long ago,--in the reign of Antoninus for the most part,--and that they at first were believers in the doctrine of the Catholic Church, in the Church of Rome under the episcopate of the blessed Eleutherus, [the 13th Bishop of Rome 174-189AD] until on account of their ever restless curiosity,with which they even infected the brethren, they were more than once expelled Tertullian Prescription Against Heretics ch 35 (160- 240 ad) Catholics appeal always to evidence traceable to apostolic sources. Tertullian Prescription Against Heretics ch 36 (160- 240 ad) Catholics never change the Scriptures, which always testify for them Tertullian Against Marcion Book 4 ch 5 (160-240 ad) By the rule of antiquity, the Catholic Gospels are found to be true, including the real St. Luke's. Marcion's only a mutilated edition. The heretic's weakness and inconsistency in ignoring the other Gospels. On the whole, then, if that is evidently more true which is earlier, if that is earlier which is from the very beginning, if that is from the beginning which has the apostles for its authors, then it will certainly be quite as evident, that that comes down from the apostles, which has been kept as a sacred deposit in the churches of the apostles. Tertullian Against Marcion Book 4 ch 4 (160-240 ad) that portion of it which we alone receive is so much older than Marcion, that Marcion, himself once believed it, when in the first warmth of faith he contributed money to the Catholic church, which along with himself was afterwards rejected, when he fell away from our truth into his own heresy Tertullian Against Marcion Book 4 ch 9 (160-240 ad) These types signified that a man, once a sinner, but afterwards purified from the stains thereof by the word of God, was bound to offer unto God in the temple a gift, even prayer and thanksgiving in the church through Christ Jesus, who is the Catholic Priest of the Father. Tertullian against Praxeas Ch 2 (160-240 ad) The Catholic doctrine of the Trinity and unity, sometimes called the Divine Economy, or dispensation of the personal relations of the Godhead Hippolytus Refutation of All Heresies book 9 ch 7 (170-236 ad) And withal, after such audacious acts, they, lost to all shame, attempt to call themselves a Catholic Church! Caius Fragments ch 3 par 4 (180-240 ad) The Epistle of Jude, indeed, and two belonging to the above-named John--or bearing the name of John--are reckoned among the Catholic epistles. And the book of Wisdom, written by the friends of Solomon in his honour. We receive also the Apocalypse of John and that of Peter, though some amongst us will not have this latter read in the Church. Caius Fragments ch 3 par 3 (180-240 ad) He wrote, besides these, one to Philemon, and one to Titus, and two to Timothy, in simple personal affection and love indeed; but yet these are hallowed in the esteem of the Catholic Church, and in the regulation of ecclesiastical discipline. There are also in circulation one to the Laodiceans, and another to the Alexandrians, forged under the name of Paul, and addressed against the heresy of Marcion; and there are also several others which cannot be received into the Catholic Church, for it is not suitable for gall to be mingled with honey. Origen Commentary on the Gospel of John Book I ch 23 (185-254 ad) And in his Catholic Epistle John says that He is a Paraclete for our souls with the Father, as thus: "And if any one sin, we have a Paraclete with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous," Origen Commentary on the Gospel of John book 6 ch 18 (185-254 ad) As to the descent into Hades, we read in the sixteenth Psalm, "Thou wilt not leave my soul in Hades," and as for the journey in prison with the Spirit we read in Peter in his Catholic Epistle, Origen de Principiis book 3 preface (185- 254ad) Let such things, however, be lightly esteemed by him who is desirous of being trained in divine learning, while retaining in its integrity the rule of the Catholic faith. Dionysius the Great Extant Fragments epistle 11 par 3 [190-265 AD] Wherefore he also became an enemy to His Catholic Church; and besides that, he alienated and estranged himself from the mercy of God, and fled to the utmost possible distance from His salvation... Dionysius the Great Extant Fragments epistle 6 par 1 [190-265 AD] And consider the seriousness of the matter. For, indeed, in the most considerable councils of the bishops, as I hear, it has been decreed that they who come from heresy should first be trained in Catholic doctrine, and then should be cleansed by baptism from the filth of the old and impure leaven. Asking and calling him to witness on all these matters, I sent letters. Dionysius the Great Epistle 6 (190-265ad) For, indeed, in the most considerable councils of the bishops, as I hear, it has been decreed that they who come from heresy should first be trained in Catholic doctrine, and then should be cleansed by baptism from the filth of the old and impure leaven. Cyprian of Carthage The Seventh Council of Carthage [200-270 AD] Certain people therefore interpret for themselves ill, when they say that by imposition of the hand they receive the Holy Ghost, and are thus received, when it is manifest that they ought to be born again in the Catholic Church. Then indeed they will be able to be sons of God, as says the apostle: "Taking care to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace." There is one body, and one Spirit, as ye have been called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God." All these things speaks the Catholic Church. And again, in the Gospel the Lord says: "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit; because God is a Spirit, and he is born of God." Therefore, whatsoever things all heretics and schismatics do are carnal... ...I judge that all heretics and schismatics who wish to come to the Catholic Church, shall not be allowed to enter without they have first been exorcised and baptized; with the exception of those indeed who may previously have been baptized in the Catholic Church, and these in such a way that they may be reconciled to the penitence of the Church by the imposition of hands. Munnulus of Girba said: The truth of our Mother, the Catholic Church, brethren, hath always remained and still remains with us, and even especially in the Trinity of baptism, as our Lord says, "Go ye and baptize the nations, in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." For if those who are baptized among them obtain by remission of their sins life eternal, why do they come to the Church? But if from a dead person no salvation is received, and therefore, acknowledging their previous error, they return to the truth with penitence, they ought to be sanctified with the one vital baptism which is in the Catholic Church. Jader of Midila said: We know that there is but one baptism in the Catholic Church, and therefore we ought not to receive a heretic unless he has been baptized among us; Felix of Marazana said: There is one faith, one baptism, but of the Catholic Church, which alone has the right to baptize.
@@mattwruff Part #4 Cyprian of Carthage Epistle 40 par 1 [200-270 AD] ...disturbed by the wickedness of an unlawful ordination made in opposition to the Catholic Church, we considered at once that they must be restrained from communion with us... Cyprian of Carthage Epistle 40 par 2 [200-270 AD] ... they are striving here also to distract the members of Christ into schismatical parties, and to cut and tear the one body of the Catholic Church, so that, running about from door to door, through the houses of many, or from city to city... Cyprian of Carthage [200-270 AD] Epistle 42 ...to return to their Mother, that is, to the Catholic Church... Cyprian of Carthage Epistle 44 par 3 [200-270 AD] ...we have exhorted them to acknowledge and hold the root and matrix of the Catholic Church. But since our province is wide-spread, and has Numidia and Mauritania attached to it; lest a schism made in the city should confuse the minds of the absent with uncertain opinions, we decided--having obtained by means of the bishops the truth of the matter... Cyprian of Carthage Epistle 44 par 4 [200-270 AD] That we, with the rest of our colleagues, may steadily and firmly administer this office, and keep it in the concordant unanimity of the Catholic Church, the divine condescension will accomplish; so that the Lord who condescends to elect and appoint for Himself priests in His Church... Cyprian of Carthage Epistle 45 par 2 [200-270 AD] We," they say, "know that Cornelius is bishop of the most holy Catholic Church elected by Almighty God, and by Christ our Lord. We confess our error; we have suffered imposture; we were deceived by captious perfidy and loquacity. For although we seemed, as it were, to have held a kind of communion with a man who was a schismatic and a heretic, yet our mind was always sincere in the Church. For we are not ignorant that there is one God; that there is one Christ the Lord whom we have confessed, and one Holy Spirit; and that in the Catholic Church there ought to be one bishop. Cyprian of Carthage epistles 43 (200-270 ad) For it weighs me down and saddens me, and the intolerable grief of a smitten, almost prostrate, spirit seizes me, when I find that you there, contrary to ecclesiastical order, contrary to evangelical law, contrary to the unity of the Catholic institution, had consented that another bishop should be made Cyprian of Carthage epistle 74 par 16 (200-270 ad) The foundation of the one Church which was based by Christ upon the rock, may be perceived from this, that Christ said to Peter alone, "Whatsoever thou shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatsoever thou shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." Cyprian of Carthage epistle 72 par 2 (200-270 ad) For Novatian, after the manner of apes--which, although they are not men, yet imitate human doings--wishes to claim to himself the authority and truth of the Catholic Church, while he himself is not in the Church; nay, moreover, has stood forth hitherto as a rebel and enemy against the Church Victorinus Commentary on the Apocalypse of John (240-303ad) For the Catholic Church holds those things which were both predicted and accomplished Peter of Alexandria Genuine Acts of Peter (260-311ad) feared to rend His coat; he was so hurried on by giving the rein to his madness, that, rending asunder the Catholic Church not only in the cities of Egypt, but even in its villages, he ordained bishops of his own party, nor cared he aught for Peter, nor for Christ, who was in the person of Peter. Eusebius of Caesarea Life of Constantine book 3 ch 19 (265-340 ad) For our Saviour has left us one feast in commemoration of the day of our deliverance, I mean the day of his most holy passion; and he has willed that his Catholic Church should be one, the members of which, however scattered in many and diverse places, are yet cherished by one pervading spirit, that is, by the will of God Eusebius of Caesarea Life of Constantine book 3 ch 65 (265-340 ad) Let those of you, therefore, who are desirous of embracing the true and pure religion, take the far better course of entering the Catholic Church, and uniting with it in holy fellowship, whereby you will be enabled to arrive at the knowledge of the truth. Eusebius of Caesarea Church History book 10 ch 1 (265-340 ad) Copy of an epistle in which the emperor commands another synod to be held for the purpose of removing all dissensions among the bishops. [+] "Constantine Augustus to Chrestus, bishop of Syracuse. When some began wickedly and perversely to disagree among themselves in regard to the holy worship and celestial power and Catholic doctrine, wishing to put an end to such disputes among them, I formerly gave command that certain bishops should be sent from Gaul, and that the opposing parties who were contending persistently and incessantly with each other, should be summoned from Africa; that in their presence, and in the presence of the bishop of Rome, the matter which appeared to be causing the disturbance might be examined and decided with all care. Eusebius of Caesarea Church History book 10 ch 1 (265-340 ad) Since it is our pleasure that something should be granted in all the provinces of Africa and Numidia and Mauritania to certain ministers of the legitimate and most holy Catholic religion, to defray their expenses, I have written to Ursus, the illustrious finance minister of Africa, and have directed him to make provision to pay to thy firmness three thousand folles Eusebius of Caesarea Church History book 10 ch 2 (265-340 ad) Wherefore it is our will that when thou receivest this letter, if any such things belonged to the Catholic Church of the Christians, in any city or other place, but are now held by citizens or by any others, Eusebius of Caesarea Church History book 7 (265-340ad) During his reign a final synod composed of a great many bishops was held, and the leader of heresy in Antioch was detected, and his false doctrine clearly shown before all, and he was excommunicated from the Catholic Church under heaven. Eusebius of Caesarea Church History book 4 (265-340ad) But the splendor of the Catholic and only true Church, which is always the same, grew in magnitude and power, and reflected its piety and simplicity and freedom, and the modesty and purity of its inspired life and philosophy to every nation both of Greeks and of Barbarians Eusebius of Caesarea Church History book 4 (265-340ad) There is a letter, written in the name of the church over which he himself presided, to the parishes in Pontus, which relates the events that befell him, in the following words: "The church of God which dwelleth in Philomelium, and to all the parishes of the holy Catholic Church in every place; mercy and peace and love from God the Father be multiplied Eusebius of Caesarea Church History book 4 (265-340ad) And first we must speak of Dionysius, who was appointed bishop of the church in Corinth, and communicated freely of his inspired labors not only to his own people, but also to those in foreign lands, and rendered the greatest service to all in the Catholic epistles which he wrote to the church Eusebius of Caesarea Church History book 2 (265-340ad) These things are recorded in regard to James, who is said to be the author of the first of the so-called Catholic epistles
@@mattwruff #5 Alexander of Alexandria Epistle 2 on the Arian Heresy par 1(266-326 ad) To our beloved and most reverend fellow-ministers of the Catholic Church in every place, Alexander sends greeting in the Lord: 1. Since the body of the Catholic Church is one, and it is commanded in Holy Scripture that we should keep the peace, Alexander of Alexandria Epistle 1 on the Arian Heresy par 12 (266-326 ad) And besides the pious opinion concerning the Father and the Son, we confess to one Holy Spirit, as the divine Scriptures teach us; who hath inaugurated both the holy men of the Old Testament, and the divine teachers of that which is called the New.... And besides, also, one only Catholic and Apostolic Church, which can never be destroyed Lactantius Divine Institutes book 4 (290-350 ad) For when they are called Phrygians, or Novarians, or Valentinians, or Marcionites, or Anthropians, or Arians, or by any other name they have ceased to be Christians, who have lost the name of Christ, and assumed human and external names. Therefore it is the Catholic Church alone which retains true worship. This is the fountain of truth, this is the abode of the faith, this is the temple of God; into which if any one shall not enter, or from which if any shall go out, he is estranged from the hope of life and eternal salvation. Methodius Oration concerning Simeon and Anna par 13 (300 ad) Hail to thee, thou Catholic Church, which hast been planted in all the earth, and do thou rejoice with us. Fear not, little flock, the storms of the enemy for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom, and that you should tread upon the necks of your enemies. Cyril of Jerusalem Catechetical Lecture 18 par 1 (315-386 ad) Faith therefore in the Resurrection of the dead, is a great commandment and doctrine of the Holy Catholic Church; great and most necessary, though gainsaid by many, yet surely warranted by the truth Cyril of Jerusalem Catechetical Lecture 18 par26 (315-386 ad) And if ever thou art sojourning in cities, inquire not simply where the Lord's House is (for the other sects of the profane also attempt to call their own dens houses of the Lord), nor merely where the Church is, but where is the Catholic Church. For this is the peculiar name of this Holy Church, the mother of us all, which is the spouse of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Only-begotten Son of God Cyril of Jerusalem Catechetical Lecture 18 par26 (315-386 ad) I mean the meetings of the heretics, the Marcionists and Manichees, and the rest, for this cause the Faith has securely delivered to thee now the Article, "And in one Holy Catholic Church;" that thou mayest avoid their wretched meetings, and ever abide with the Holy Church Catholic in which thou wast regenerated. Cyril of Jerusalem Catechetical Lecture 18 par 25 (315-386 ad) Concerning this Holy Catholic Church Paul writes to Timothy, That thou mayest know haw thououghtest to behave thyself in the House of God, which is the Church of the Living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. Gregory of Nyssa Against Eunomius book 2 ch 14 (325-386 ad) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Who comforteth us in all our tribulation(2)"; and John, in one of his Catholic Epistles, expressly gives to the Son the name of Comforter Basil Letter 125 par 1 (329-379 ad) Some, moreover, of the impious following of the Libyan Sabellius, who understand hypostasis and substance to be identical, derive ground for the establishment of their blasphemy from the same source, because of its having been written in the creed "if any one says that the Son is of a different substance or hypostasis, the Catholic and Apostolic Church anathematizes him." Basil Letter 188 par 1 (329-379 ad) As, for instance, if a man be convicted of crime, and prohibited from discharging ministerial functions, and then refuses to submit to the canons, but arrogates to himself episcopal and ministerial rights, and persons leave the Catholic Church and join him, this is unlawful assembly. Ambrose of Milan On the death of Satyrus book 1 par 47 (340-397 ad) But he was not so eager as to lay aside caution. He called the bishop to him, and esteeming that there can be no true thankfulness except it spring from true faith, he enquired whether he agreed with the Catholic bishops, that is, with the Roman Church Tyrannius Rufinus Apology book 2 par 27 (340-410 ad) Far be such a thing from me. I never followed you or any other man in your errors, but in the strength of Christ I will follow the Catholic church. Council of Sardica cannon 17 (344 ad) All the synod said: All that has been decreed the Catholic Church spread abroad throughout all the world will preserve and maintain. Augustine of Hippo On the Creed Sermon to Catechumens par 14 [354-430 AD] It follows after commendation of the Trinity, "The Holy Church." God is pointed out, and His temple. "For the temple of God is holy," says the Apostle, "which (temple) are ye." This same is the holy Church, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church, fighting against all heresies: fight, it can: be fought down, it cannot. As for heresies, they went all out of it, like as unprofitable branches pruned from the vine: but itself abideth in its root, in its Vine, in its charity. "The gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Augustine of Hippo Confessions Book 6 Ch 1 par 1 [354-430 AD] But when I had disclosed to her that I was now no longer a Manichaean [non-christian] though not yet a Catholic Christian, Augustine of Hippo Confessions Book 9 Ch 7 par 11 [354-430 AD] and the Holy Scriptures, which the authority of Thy Catholic Church pressed upon me, Augustine of Hippo Catechising the uninstructed par 12 [354-430 AD] But if, on the other hand, he has fallen upon the productions of some heretic and in ignorance, it may be, has retained in his mind anything which the true faith condemns, and yet supposes it to be Catholic doctrine, then we must set ourselves sedulously to teach him, bringing before him (in its rightful superiority) the authority of the Catholic Church Augustine of Hippo City of God Book 11 ch 13 [354-430 AD] For what Catholic Christians do not know that no new devil will ever arise among the good angels, as he knows that this present devil will never again return into the fellowship of the good? Augustine On Baptism Against the Donatists book 1 ch 10 par 14 (354-430 ad) For it is severed from the bond of peace and charity, but it is joined in one baptism. And so there is one Church which alone is called Catholic Augustine of Hippo City of God Book 8 ch 15 [354-430 AD] And therefore it is agreed among all Christians who truthfully hold the Catholic faith, that we are subject to the death of the body, not by the law of nature, by which God ordained no death for man, but by His righteous infliction on account of sin; for God, taking vengeance on sin, said to the man, in whom we all then were, "Dust thou art, and unto dust shall thou return
Is there any detail about Mr. Fuller‘s claim about a member or members of the LifeWay executive team stealing millions from LifeWay? I know LifeWay recently sold their brand new headquarters because of financial trouble. But if the financial trouble is because of people stealing millions of dollars than these executives need to go to jail.
I just saw this video (07/23) and am curious as to Dr. Fuller would say after last month's annual convention? Another fallout from said convention was the false theology promotion "church" Elevation leaving the SBC. All that, along with sexual abuse + coverups. As a former Lifeway employee, I saw many things YEARS ago that was questionable!
Yuri Bezmenov A.K.A. Tomas Schuman - Soviet Subversion Process: this searching for Yuri Bezmenov will get you to an hour long video made in 1985. There are no modern prophets... Time traveller or KGB agent, Bezmenov nails 2020-2021 to the T. Great video
Whew!! For a second. Because, I saw the title which is of course. Russell Fuller predicts the end. And, that’s all I can see. And, I am not a follower of tribulation sermons.
They are unbiblical. They left the SBC because they wanted to ordain women as pastors, against 1 Timothy 2 and Titus 1. They have embraced CRT. Any group that advocates unbiblical positions should be avoided. As for the SBC, it hasn't embraced false doctrine in its official positions but their leadership is unfortunately thoroughly corrupt.
@@CT-if2tt right, they don't endorse women pastors, but they elected a dude who let his wife preach with him at their church. We believe the Baptist Faith and Message, wink wink...
Stop giving adulation to men. Everyone puts their pants on one leg at a time…”I am of Jesus alone”… whether in the pulpit or the Whitehouse or anyone in between. Humans are not perfect and never will be. Learn this reality or go through more pain and disappointment it’s everyone’s individual call!!!
One thing does give me hope: the SBC has shown a remarkable resilience through its 186 year history. It has survived the Civil War, two world wars, the Great Depression, numerous social upheavals, and quite a remarkable amount of internal strife.
I agree. There are a lot of Bible believing good people with a heart for the Lord and seeing people saved in the SBC. The convention has been bathed in many many prayers. We need to be obedient and continue praying.
The SBC was filled up the the brim with liberals and corruption before. It can be purged again. But people need to have a spine and stand against it. Or they can leave. That's ok too. But too many millennials and the like don't want to fight. They simply want to get out before things even get remotes heated because they were raised in an environment of "everyone's a winner" and no I'm not old. Just turned 38. My generation is worse than the boomers
Not to mention the Apostle of compromise, Billy Graham, infiltration by KKK at high levels infiltration by Freemasonry at high levels and on and on and on as far as apostasy and heresy. That is largely the history of the Southern Baptist convention
@@citizenken7069 you are really not aware of this, that KKK membership in sbc incl leadership, was common for many decades up till perhaps 50 years ago? not hard to research. I'll assume you dont challenge a century of free wheeling freemasonry in high sbc places, perhaps still on going,, nor the decades long covered up sexual abusers. hmmm.
You have Christ pruning His church and cutting off unfruitful branches. The results will eventually be leaner, stronger, and biblically faithful fruit bearing churches. More like Gideon's army. After pruning, greater fruitfulness will follow but it takes patience and perseverance. We need to get back to thinking long haul teaching generationally. The seeker sensitive, prosperity garbage, CRT, and such is like blind leading blind so will fall in the ditch.
Many in the SBC defended abusers. They often reassigned sexual predators and did not report to the church or law enforcement their crimes. So they had access for years to more victims.
If one gives any money to the SBC, then one is being a negligent steward, even a wicked steward. This is not be true if the SBC are a Christian institution, but it is true because they are not.
Well, as much as I disdain the SBC and the whole concept of the cooperative program, I am sure there exist other ways to be a wicked steward. Here's an easy example, just overpay your federal taxes.
Something bad happened in my SBC local church also. About 3 years ago the power dried up in the pulpit. No conviction, no challenging sermons, no real talk about sin being something God hates, or living a holy life, no mention of hell in 5 years except once (and that was very mild, almost apologetic) ..... Nothing but emotional nonsense, love, love, love. With the election of their new president this year things have only kicked into high gear. You cannot hold any office in our church unless you are fully in the ultra Calvanist far left agenda. They have secret classes only the "elect" are even told about and what they're teaching in them (I guess "God hates some people and wants the majority of people to go to hell") is causing many to abandon the church outright. If you're not of a certain class and easily indoctrinated you're no body, just tolerated. Very sad.... Piper and these ultra 5 point Calvanists are destroying the churches. They are slandering the Word, the character of Christ and His plan of salvation to the world. This doctrine is of the devil and its fruit is unholy and obviously so.
Read "The Forgotten Spurgeon", by Iain Murray... Old school Calvinists such as Charles Spurgeon, and many of the founders of SBC were godly men who paid a big price for standing for the Scriptures in their day. These "new Calvinist" are a different breed, they are compromised in so many ways, almost like they're serving their own agendas under the guise of 'their ministries'... I agree, Piper, Driscoll, Keller, Mahaney, Mohler, and many others have managed to introduce pernicious practices and subvert the churches... and sadly, we have not yet hit the bottom of where this is heading. Beth Moore will take the SBC many fathoms deeper down into the abyss of apostasy.
Please Note: Being a Calvinist has ZERO to do with being corrupt - sin applies to EVERYONE. Based on your comments, I don't believe you actually understand what the theology behind Calvinism is and as such I would invite you to study a bit about it. You may find your eyes opened and burdens relieved when you understand that the only choice we actually have as regenerated people is which sin we desire to participate in. These individuals who hold positions of leadership as teachers, preachers, leaders WILL have a much more severe punishment than the people they lead astray. I hope my church leaves the SBC very soon. It sickens me that our amazing church has part (complicit even) in remaining with an entity that is KNOWN to be corrupt and refuses to correct their ways. Prayer changes things. Please Lord, expel these corrupt leaders from their positions and bring integrity back into leadership for the sake of your people and their fulfillment of the Great Commission and not the great reset. Amen
@@itsbecklesonutube - Since Aug of 2001 I have been a Christian who reads the Word of God, cover to cover, every year at least once. Sometimes I get thru it twice in one year. But it has now been 30 times thru and I still enjoy it. Why I never received your comment when you wrote it, I have no idea. But I would have responded more promptly had I gotten it a year ago. I do not expect to see Calvinism in my Bible any more than I do, Mormonism, Buddhism or Wiccan teaching. There is NO book, chapter or verse that deals with Calvinism, indeed every verse of the Word of God profoundly REJECTS Calvinism entirely. Calvinism taints the holiness of a righteous God. It slanders the character of Christ. To think we have no choice in any matter here on earth is a joke since God specifically GAVE us choice. Deut 31:19 Good tells His people to CHOOSE life after giving them both options, blessing and cursing, life and death. God is not a liar. He doesn't give us a command to do anything unless He gives us the ability to fulfill that choice, task. If we continue the debate you need to understand our friendly discussion will not involve your opinions but scripture only. Show me.... WHERE does the Bible say "we as followers of Christ stay in sin and choose which sins to partake in"? It is not in the Bible. Use a verse to explain your point of view but be sure we will be examining the context. My Bible says the opposite and tells us to reject the world, to live holy and carry your cross daily or you cannot be a disciple of Christ (Lk 9:23 and repeatedin every one of the 4 Gospels, and 1 Pt 1:13-17). 1 Pt 2:1 says we should LAY ASIDE ALL of these evils, not choose which ones we want to play with.
I watch the first 20 minutes and agree with what you’re saying, but where were you guys for the last 20 years when stealth Calvinists were taking over non-Calvinist churches? Don’t you think that the decades of coveting and lying to steal by “conservative“ Calvinists set the groundwork for this? Over a decade ago, my previous southern Baptist pastor said that in the last two years at his previous pastorate he was aware of about five churches that were split by Southern seminary graduates when the church search committees weren’t careful enough. After he left, the Calvinist intern pastor who teaches at one of our seminaries helped push through a five point Calvinist (with a masters from Southern) who was deceptive about his beliefs. Calvinists were silent about this for decades, and now are upset when liberals are doing it? If you all had stood up against this when it was to your advantage, we wouldn’t be here. It looks like the golem Calvinists made has now turned on them. The “only antidote to liberalism“ in the Southern Baptist convention turned out to be the gateway drug to liberalism. Maybe you should reconsider your theology? th-cam.com/video/1yrlzDfX8AQ/w-d-xo.html
Amen! Have been a member of two SBC churches that were destroyed by stealth Calvinist. The TULIPS have bloomed. It wood appear that has spread to other abuses.
@@mikeconnor4736 liberalism is anti-biblical, and as a former Calvinist, I would disagree with Calvinism, too. That said, I’d be more likely to worship with a Calvinist than a liberal. In fact, at my non-Calvinist church this morning, I did worship with a Calvinist. But whatever different views we hold on theology, the above problems I mentioned still apply. Calvinists like to talk about how behavior flows from worldview. What in the Calvinist worldview has promoted behavior so common their names for them, “cage stage Calvinism“ (People becoming so carnal when they become Calvinists that they should be metaphorically locked in a cage-This a the term even Calvinists use) and “stealth Calvinism“ (Calvinist pastoral candidates coveting non-Calvinist churches and lying to steal them)? Here’s a short 10 minute video with the Provisionist understanding of predestination contrasted with a Calvinist one. It focuses on Ephesians 1 - th-cam.com/video/1yrlzDfX8AQ/w-d-xo.html
@@mikeconnor4736 Ah yes, but then god made the lost liberal to be lost with no ability to be saved and no hope. He also made the Calvinist lie so he could steal money, be a sexual predator and try to steal churches.
I attended SBTS from 1989-1992 with the School of Church Music. Thankfully Roy Honeycutt was the President and standing firm against the onslaught of the fight to remove him. He retired after I graduated. I said when Al Mohler was installed that he was going to be horrible. I had watched the “conservative movement” from my SBC church and said then that it was all about power and money. I didn’t care what was said. Well, how did that turn out? We were taught while at SBTS to give back once we graduated so others could attend as we did. The second year I told the student calling to take me off the list. I could see what was coming. Mohler destroyed the School of Church Music. We received very well rounded education by professors who knew what church music was and were out serving local churches. Then the seeker sensitive movement began along with the praise band movement. There was no way I could support that. So sad to see what has become of the SBC and SBTS. These men came in under the guise of “restoring inerrancy” when it was nothing except getting into power and having control of the money. Sadly, I was right. Said too that of the SBC went done the road of the Presbyterians and Methodists the SBC was done as well as the American mainline churches. Want a Bible teaching and preaching church? Find a non-denominational church. This is from a born, raised and educated SBC person. Just so sad to see what has happened over the past 30 years.
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I believe Dr. Fuller is accurate. I saw much of what he speaks of in the large SBC 'church' I used to attend. Their obsession with "seeker sensitivity" and worldly appeasement got progressively worse.
Had Dr Fuller for Hebrew when I was at Southern. Love that dude!
Same here. Totally agree!
I just finished Hebrew III. My professor had Fuller and used his book and method. It was tough but it's certainly the best way to learn the language.
This interview was appreciated. the sbc really needs a lot of prayer.
Thank you John and certainly Dr. Fuller. Dr. Fuller is the real deal and I praise God for his integrity to speak out at great cost.
Thank you Dr. Fuller for the proof that Mohler knew about and covered for C.J. Mahaney. There is something for the ChurchToo to go after.
Excellent interview Jon, this is a helpful for SBC folks who somehow are not yet aware of the corruption in their own denomination. In other words, it is helpful for most SBC parishioners.
Sobering discussion from Russell and Jon today. And as we know from the Scriptures, the last great occurrence before the Lord calls His people home is the Great Apostasy. We are now well into that phase. So all true believers, recipients of the Holy Spirit, must be prepared and doing all they can to tie up any loose Spiritual ends, while the opportunity remains. The trump will sound soon, it must sound soon. Woe to all who are left behind.
Absolutely correct.
We also need a deep dive into what all is involved in the return of the Lord. I highly recommend "The Passover King" by Travis Snow. It is deep dive. I would love to take some classes from Russell Fuller.
Francis Schaeffer, in his last book, "The Great Evangelical Disaster," said that the Southern Baptist Convention was in the same shape now (now being 1984) that the mainline denominations were in in the 1920s and '30s. 37 years later...
Ah Schaefer. So brilliant, one of my favorites
That is probably true, but there was a conservative reaction that the mainlines didn't have.
@@davegibbs6423 we have conservatives in the SBC. But they are being sidelined by big eva types who claim to be, guess what, conservative! There are clearly sides a d yet everyone is claiming to be on the same one
@@Richardcontramundum That's the rub. I wrote a paper on the mainlines in grad school. The liberals split from the conservatives at the Kennedy election, which was meaningful, because the reason for the older anti-catholicism (in context) was because of the hierarchies trying to turn all Protestant nations since the Reformation. Vatican I was anti-Democratic, etc. My point is that Kennedy said he would not put Vatican above US loyalty and liberal Democrats went with it. Their culture was changing. The two turning states were W. Va. and Texas. Conservative Protestants went more solidly conservative during Reagan's time, though by then things went more libertarian.
Culture is critical for the Church. But, one should not chase trains. It is very important to hold it together.
Nationally, we are headed toward a civil war or national divorce. You will find churches splitting like they did at civil war, if this does happen.
Everyone pray!
@@davegibbs6423 I will add that we need to look at this in a strategic view instead of just looking at the SBC. Yes Adrian Rogers took the reins and others that led out of the liberal bent then, BUT this different. IMO, we will see Christ come back in my lifetime and I am 45. Maybe in the next 50 years and I can be wrong, but I’ve been all over the world and knowing what is going on on a national level in Africa and other countries, I do believe God is laying the groundwork for “short and final.” YBIC
Not surprised by all this. The SBC should die so the truth of God's word can flourish . What a mess. Its disgusting. My family left the SBC mainly because we are Calvinist, but the biblical corruption and just cultural corruption is more than enough. 20 years we defended the Baptist church as members. Not anymore.
If you're a Calvanist you obviously shouldn't be troubled. God decreed this to be, right? God commanded all these "leaders" to sin and it will reveal His glory, right? God "decreed" that these men sexually take advantage of these people, right? God is shaping these events by His absolute sovereignty, correct? Pretty sick god.....
Pretty sick doctrine if you ask me. It is Calvanism that is the poison. When you have a low standard of sin, something God HATES, and a low standard of holiness, something God DEMANDS, then you'll get exactly this kind of putrid unholy church activity.
If I were you I would start watching Soteriology101. There are other theologies that actually make Biblical sense.
@@leadinged - If Calvanism is true then God decrees everything. They believe sovereignty equals complete miniscule control of everything. If God is decreeing everything then He obviously wills it to happen. You cannot have it both ways.
I think it is obviously a corrupt theology to say the least.
@@leadinged I saw something about baptizing practicing gays; are you sure about gay marriages?
I think Andy is the worst false teacher within purported evangelicalism. Yet there continue to be some Christians who won't bring themselves to see that, incl. his dad sadly.
@@redfaux74 Will God eventually judge sinners and Satan as Revelation explains? If so what's holding him back now? Or in other words, what are his reasons for allowing things to be as they are? If he can, and in fact will do something about evil, why hasn't he done something already?
If you give any biblical and reasonable explanation for this than the "problem of God permitting evil" or "willing" it is solved either way theologically(even for the Calvinist). Your misconception seems to be that you don't have the same problems to deal with.
How easily can objections be made about a God who allows evil for any reason... or how easy can objections be made about God creating a world in which there is no "purpose" to suffering or evil if in fact he has not purposed it. If you were actually engaging with hopeless, lost, dying sinners on a regular basis you would clearly know that their are dissatisfied equally so despite whatever theology is given them. In other words, people see a monster for a God either way. At the end of the day your little rebuttal against our friend is exactly like the kinds of rebuttals made against every other alternative. You should have made a biblical effort to critique him rather than the silly one that was put forth.
Furthermore, Soteriology 101 has served to solidify my convictions in Calvinisim. As a calvinist, I recommend it actually! Because I know that a careful listener with an open Bible can very well see inherent contradictions and inconsistency within the theology they promote.
@@isaias9516 - Jesus Christ has already judged the Devil and sin. Have you ever heard of the Old Testament? Adam and Eve? Rev has nothing to do with the year 2020 something. All sin has been judged. We're just waiting for Jesus to return for everyones paycheck. "The wages of sin is death."
Why would Christianity have a problem with evil? Atheism is the one that has the problem with evil. Atheism can expect nothing but the worst case scenario if atheism is true. They deserve the worst kind of cancer, parasites, disease and to be eaten alive slowly by something with bigger, sharper teeth than them. They choose to reject the greatest good, they get the ultimate evil.
Jesus came to redeem those who choose good, to kneel at His feet, His plan. He healed the lame, sick, raised the dead and preached "Repent, the kingdom of heaven is at hand." God told the children of Israel "I set before you good and evil, life and death. Choose life." It's very simple.
Sure greatly appreciate you men of honor!!! Jon, you do a great interview! Dr Fuller, you are so right!!
Amen from taiwan, hope we have teachers like Dr. Fuller here 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
Dr. Fuller is awesome! I love his courses.
Hopefully evangelical pop culture goes with it. Praying that the church emerges stronger out of all this.
Culture matters. Many of these people are trying to make a difference.
That seeker sensitive movement began in the early 1990’s in Louisville. (I was a student then). It is making a resurgence today only because people have been leaving the church due to the plandemic and the overwhelming worshipping at the altar of sports so “nickels and noses” are down. The leaders are just grasping at straws to try to grab more people no matter what apostate they become.
Oh! l like this man! Keep up with him Jon.
6:45 The other point in the Clinton/Lewinski affair that's often swept under the rug (or just forgotten) today is that, by her own account, she started it--she pursued him, not the other way around. He was by no means innocent in the whole mess, but neither was she in any way a victim of anything, much as she'd now like to claim otherwise.
So are a lot of the celebrities who sold their bodies for a shot at fame.
@@lesterchua2677 then become rich and famous then when their career is over claim the industry sexualized them. Hypocrisy at it's finest.
spot on about Lewinski.
I was hoping that this conversation would be more balanced. Everything is seen through a conservative lenses. Sexual assault victims are often wounded for life. No amount of money heals this. Only the grace and love of God can do this. Until these things touch your life through a family member or yourself it’s just more talking points.
@@mykilahsenwilliamsdorsey1495 In what way is this related to my comment about the Clinton/Lewinski affair, where by her own admission, she was the initiator?
May God bring all these corrupt leaders down!
Or bring them to Repentance and accountability so much so they become God's best workers for His TRUTH. Remember God changed you and me, He can change them too. That is His promise.
@@fuzfire The truly saved, yes and amen. The wolves need to be brought down!
As the days go by, the wickedness just keep increasing. These apostates actually never believed in the God we worship, their god is one who is blind, deaf and mute to their wicked ways.
Wickness spreading like weeds 😅
You cannot be an apostate if you've never believed. It comes from the word Apostle. The longer we deny scriptural truth the weaker our churches get.
How can anyone know if they're saved using your example? Falling Away is not possible if you've never been on the way. Of course Calvanism is the real poison that makes people think lightly of sin in the first place and ergo.... here we are.
Bingo Jon...always remember who the author of confusion is!
Yes but also don't forget who the Father of Lies is,people of GOD who knowingly follow pastors who. Ententually lie ,to their congregations for political power
The ‘Victim’ is absolved of all accountability. The victim is a shortcut to righteousness. The victim is the most powerful position in a manipulative power triangle; leaning on the ‘savior’ complex of those who want to BE god rather than worship God. Nothing new under the sun.
The Biblical requirement to establish guilt is two or more witnesses, to ignore that is sin and injustice.
Awesome interview. Helps to know there are others who see the Jezebel Spirit invading the churches in these latter days.
100% accurate. Please let it happen sooner than later
9:52 "Victims have to be believed" presupposes that they are, in fact, victims.
And anyone who starts out by saying "believe the victims" has obviously not read Genesis 39.
Oops, this was meant as a reply to the previous comment.
Exactly Dan. When the premise is a lie, all solutions will be faulty.
Exactly. These grown women had affairs with their professors. They were willing participants. Once I read about the stories, I said get over yourselves.
Lol Dr. Fuller is in full "send it" mode. I love it.
Dr. Fuller, would you pease consider pardnering with Jon and start a video blog. I think that it would be very profitable for all of us out here in confusionland to hear a voice of sound reason with a firm, solid Biblical foundation and permeation. It would be very similar to snippets of your formal classroom but more as a ministry to guide believing minds in applying Biblical truths to discernment, evangelism, polity, fellowship, and so forth infused with sound, Biblical theological underpinnings. Maranatha!
1 Peter 4:17: "For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?" Perhaps what we are seeing is God forcing His true flock to leave the SBC, which by all accounts is wallowing in apostasy. Who now within the SBC is obeying the gospel of God?
Your verse obliterates Calvanism into dust. That is the true poison. I can't see how anyone can see Piper as a true intellectual. He is the very definition of Creeper to me.
I attended SBTS from 1989-1992 with the School of Church Music. Thankfully Roy Honeycutt was the President and standing firm against the onslaught of the fight to remove him. He retired after I graduated. I said when Al Mohler was installed that he was going to be horrible.
I had watched the “conservative movement” from my SBC church and said then that it was all about power and money. I didn’t care what was said. Well, how did that turn out?
We were taught while at SBTS to give back once we graduated so others could attend as we did. The second year I told the student calling to take me off the list. I could see what was coming. Mohler destroyed the School of Church Music. We received very well rounded education by professors who knew what church music was and were out serving local churches. Then the seeker sensitive movement began along with the praise band movement. There was no way I could support that.
So sad to see what has become of the SBC and SBTS. These men came in under the guise of “restoring inerrancy” when it was nothing except getting into power and having control of the money.
Sadly, I was right. Said too that of the SBC went done the road of the Presbyterians and Methodists the SBC was done as well as the American mainline churches.
Want a Bible teaching and preaching church? Find a non-denominational church. This is from a born, raised and educated SBC person. Just so sad to see what has happened over the past 30 years.
When an institution forsakes its foundation let it go where it will. God takes that position with his temple x 2, Judaism, and Roman Catholicism - all of which were once faithful institutions.
THE CHURCH AS A WHOLE HAS LOST FOCUS!!! SBC is a good example of this.
When we change the definition of rape or assault to that of a power dynamic, we embrace falsehoods that are antithetical to scripture. David did not rape Bathsheba, nor is her complicity negated because he was king. Nevermind an actual rape two chapters after this story. Simply put, women are attracted to powerful dudes and powerful dudes like women. Safeguards are necessary but not all encompassing.
Think of it as an introduction of class separation and it will become apparent. Some cultures are obsessed with classes. Relations between classes is strictly forbidden. The Left is just following and executing the lies of Satan.
@@lesterchua2677 class and race are interchangeable in a Marxist world view because it's about attaining power. America doesn't really have a history of class conflict to draw from, so Marxists use race instead.
The even greater issue is the way it is being handled due to the massive amounts of money involved and the want to defend organization's reputation so the money keeps flowing abundantly.💔🚫 Instead of standing on biblical values, principles, and instructions from God even if it means loosing most your financial donors 💯 What do they not trust that God will make a way to fund His own work? (Nobody's perfect and we all fall short, but this is corrupt as Washington, especially when it's Gods peoples money your living it up on)
As a pastor friend once said from the pulpit ... Men want to lust, women want to be lusted after.
This is real exegesis of Scripture; the kind of which I don't see today:
"Ephraim is joined to idols; leave him alone." (Hos 4:17 ESV)
Thank you Hebrew professor. preach it!
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😳 stunned at remarks as the 17:00 minute mark and other ones as well.
Hey Jon, a Presbyterian brother here. What would a decisive departure look like? What risks are involved for churches who want to leave but may have concerns of fallout? is there any potential fallout threatening churches from proceeding? Looking at this from the outside it appears the SBC is going down hard.
Many of the reformed SBC churches that are considering leaving are quietly working together to associate together when they leave so they don't end up striking out on their own.
Local Baptist churches own their own buildings and property, not the Convention (unlike in some other denominations), so fallout of that type is no problem.
The churches are autonomous and not governed by the SBC. They can leave and nothing will happen.
This is what is so sad about the churches which stay in despite the manifest corruption. All they have to do is go to the trouble of finding another way to do missional giving outside throwing money blindly at the SBC cooperative fund. Why are good churches staying ? Ignorance ? Rationalization ? Tradition ? Misplaced optimism ? If you can figure it out, let me know. I continue to try to get my pastor to see the problem, sadly in the South of the US, nearly all the Baptist churches are SBC. Those that are not are almost universally KJV only, which in my view is a heresy which is almost on par with those promoted by the SBC. Yet, my local church is excellent modulo it's involvement with the SBC. I hate that we have only one reasonable choice for Baptist churches here and it necessarily associated me with the SBC. So, I continue to try to educate and motivate so hopefully my church eventually sees the light and leaves the SBC.
I will admit, if the SBC would drift very liberal more quickly it would hasten or exit. It seems this EC investigation may well promote an acceleration of the corruption. Surely there must exist a level of outright false teaching and wordly behavior which will be a stench to the nostrils of my church. I hope that it the SBC is to fall, it falls quickly.
The pastors can if they want can have a retirement thru thr sbc.
Good job guys.
Freaking love these 2 men of God.
"To the law and to the testimony..."
That's where we fail...thanks Jon.
Your comment reminded me of this song put out by Doug Wilson’s church. Look up “To The Word sea shanty”. You will love it!!
@@BethyTank - Oh yes - I love that - and I need to learn to sing it so I can lead our Church to sing it - thank you!
This alarm👆is what needs to be done to alert the body of Christ🚨
Name calling is so transparent. When your actions are not righteous , then name calling becomes the go- to weapon.
Truth always comes out in the ashes of self destruction. Too bad for the SBC, but good for real justice.
J Frank Norris was exposing apostasy and corruption in the convention back in the 30s and 40s. A group broke off from the SBC in the 50s and started the Bible Baptist Fellowship.(which given up it's Baptist identity since the 90s
I pray and hope that Dr. Fuller is wrong, but if not I pray that he will be humbled and grieved by what is happening in the SBC, and that Fuller will not be bitter and disgruntled as a former employee. Pray for SBC.
Each local body should be independent of one another. Overseen by a plurality of Elders. The corp approach, SBC, Catholic, etc, lead to corruption of the whole.
AMEN brother. Amen.
They are independent. You aren’t required to give to the SBC or any other group. It is voluntary
I'm ex-SBC and ex-PCA (2 cases about a unrepentant pastor to the General Assembly) We need to return to the Church founded by the Apostles.
@Richard A Definitely NOT Roman Catholic! Working that out but the Church structure that is run by Pastors and the word Pastor only appears in the NT ONCE! Home church run by elders is a good start. The Church has invested so much in buildings that are hardly used that isn't biblical stewardship MOST of the time...
@@mattwruff What is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth In Christianity ?
Is it the CHURCH or is it the BIBLE ?
(Pause and Answer)
1Timothy 3:15 “But if I should be delayed, you should know how to conduct yourselves in the household of God, which is the Church of God, which is .........
the Pillar and Foundation of Truth .”
The Bible says that ONE Church (Not Church’s) is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth, but which Church?
Jesus told Peter to build a Church and the Gates of Hell will Never prevail against that Church
(Mathew 16:18). Jesus didn’t tell his Apostles to write a New Testament. The Bible was produced by the Church at the Council at Rome over 350 years after Jesus died.
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Tertullian Prescription Against Heretics ch 32 (160- 240 ad)
"Where was [the heretic] Marcion, that shipmaster of Pontus, the zealous student of Stoicism? Where was Valentinus, the disciple of Platonism? For it is evident that those men lived not so long ago,--in the reign of Antoninus for the most part,--and that they at first were believers in the doctrine of the Catholic Church, in the Church of Rome under the episcopate of the blessed Eleutherus, [the 13th Bishop of Rome 174-189AD] until on account of their ever restless curiosity,with which they even infected the brethren, they were more than once expelled
Tertullian Prescription Against Heretics ch 35 (160- 240 ad)
Catholics appeal always to evidence traceable to apostolic sources.
Tertullian Prescription Against Heretics ch 36 (160- 240 ad)
Catholics never change the Scriptures, which always testify for them
Tertullian Against Marcion Book 4 ch 5 (160-240 ad)
By the rule of antiquity, the Catholic Gospels are found to be true, including the real St. Luke's. Marcion's only a mutilated edition. The heretic's weakness and inconsistency in ignoring the other Gospels. On the whole, then, if that is evidently more true which is earlier, if that is earlier which is from the very beginning, if that is from the beginning which has the apostles for its authors, then it will certainly be quite as evident, that that comes down from the apostles, which has been kept as a sacred deposit in the churches of the apostles.
Tertullian Against Marcion Book 4 ch 4 (160-240 ad)
that portion of it which we alone receive is so much older than Marcion, that Marcion, himself once believed it, when in the first warmth of faith he contributed money to the Catholic church, which along with himself was afterwards rejected, when he fell away from our truth into his own heresy
Tertullian Against Marcion Book 4 ch 9 (160-240 ad)
These types signified that a man, once a sinner, but afterwards purified from the stains thereof by the word of God, was bound to offer unto God in the temple a gift, even prayer and thanksgiving in the church through Christ Jesus, who is the Catholic Priest of the Father.
Tertullian against Praxeas Ch 2 (160-240 ad)
The Catholic doctrine of the Trinity and unity, sometimes called the Divine Economy, or dispensation of the personal relations of the Godhead
Hippolytus Refutation of All Heresies book 9 ch 7 (170-236 ad)
And withal, after such audacious acts, they, lost to all shame, attempt to call themselves a Catholic Church!
Caius Fragments ch 3 par 4 (180-240 ad)
The Epistle of Jude, indeed, and two belonging to the above-named John--or bearing the name of John--are reckoned among the Catholic epistles. And the book of Wisdom, written by the friends of Solomon in his honour. We receive also the Apocalypse of John and that of Peter, though some amongst us will not have this latter read in the Church.
Caius Fragments ch 3 par 3 (180-240 ad)
He wrote, besides these, one to Philemon, and one to Titus, and two to Timothy, in simple personal affection and love indeed; but yet these are hallowed in the esteem of the Catholic Church, and in the regulation of ecclesiastical discipline. There are also in circulation one to the Laodiceans, and another to the Alexandrians, forged under the name of Paul, and addressed against the heresy of Marcion; and there are also several others which cannot be received into the Catholic Church, for it is not suitable for gall to be mingled with honey.
Origen Commentary on the Gospel of John Book I ch 23 (185-254 ad)
And in his Catholic Epistle John says that He is a Paraclete for our souls with the Father, as thus: "And if any one sin, we have a Paraclete with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous,"
Origen Commentary on the Gospel of John book 6 ch 18 (185-254 ad)
As to the descent into Hades, we read in the sixteenth Psalm, "Thou wilt not leave my soul in Hades," and as for the journey in prison with the Spirit we read in Peter in his Catholic Epistle,
Origen de Principiis book 3 preface (185- 254ad)
Let such things, however, be lightly esteemed by him who is desirous of being trained in divine learning, while retaining in its integrity the rule of the Catholic faith.
Dionysius the Great Extant Fragments epistle 11 par 3 [190-265 AD]
Wherefore he also became an enemy to His Catholic Church; and besides that, he alienated and estranged himself from the mercy of God, and fled to the utmost possible distance from His salvation...
Dionysius the Great Extant Fragments epistle 6 par 1 [190-265 AD]
And consider the seriousness of the matter. For, indeed, in the most considerable councils of the bishops, as I hear, it has been decreed that they who come from heresy should first be trained in Catholic doctrine, and then should be cleansed by baptism from the filth of the old and impure leaven. Asking and calling him to witness on all these matters, I sent letters.
Dionysius the Great Epistle 6 (190-265ad)
For, indeed, in the most considerable councils of the bishops, as I hear, it has been decreed that they who come from heresy should first be trained in Catholic doctrine, and then should be cleansed by baptism from the filth of the old and impure leaven.
Cyprian of Carthage The Seventh Council of Carthage [200-270 AD]
Certain people therefore interpret for themselves ill, when they say that by imposition of the hand they receive the Holy Ghost, and are thus received, when it is manifest that they ought to be born again in the Catholic Church. Then indeed they will be able to be sons of God, as says the apostle: "Taking care to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace."
There is one body, and one Spirit, as ye have been called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God." All these things speaks the Catholic Church. And again, in the Gospel the Lord says: "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit; because God is a Spirit, and he is born of God." Therefore, whatsoever things all heretics and schismatics do are carnal...
...I judge that all heretics and schismatics who wish to come to the Catholic Church, shall not be allowed to enter without they have first been exorcised and baptized; with the exception of those indeed who may previously have been baptized in the Catholic Church, and these in such a way that they may be reconciled to the penitence of the Church by the imposition of hands.
Munnulus of Girba said: The truth of our Mother, the Catholic Church, brethren, hath always remained and still remains with us, and even especially in the Trinity of baptism, as our Lord says, "Go ye and baptize the nations, in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit."
For if those who are baptized among them obtain by remission of their sins life eternal, why do they come to the Church? But if from a dead person no salvation is received, and therefore, acknowledging their previous error, they return to the truth with penitence, they ought to be sanctified with the one vital baptism which is in the Catholic Church.
Jader of Midila said: We know that there is but one baptism in the Catholic Church, and therefore we ought not to receive a heretic unless he has been baptized among us;
Felix of Marazana said: There is one faith, one baptism, but of the Catholic Church, which alone has the right to baptize.
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Cyprian of Carthage Epistle 40 par 1 [200-270 AD]
...disturbed by the wickedness of an unlawful ordination made in opposition to the Catholic Church, we considered at once that they must be restrained from communion with us...
Cyprian of Carthage Epistle 40 par 2 [200-270 AD]
... they are striving here also to distract the members of Christ into schismatical parties, and to cut and tear the one body of the Catholic Church, so that, running about from door to door, through the houses of many, or from city to city...
Cyprian of Carthage [200-270 AD] Epistle 42
...to return to their Mother, that is, to the Catholic Church...
Cyprian of Carthage Epistle 44 par 3 [200-270 AD]
...we have exhorted them to acknowledge and hold the root and matrix of the Catholic Church. But since our province is wide-spread, and has Numidia and Mauritania attached to it; lest a schism made in the city should confuse the minds of the absent with uncertain opinions, we decided--having obtained by means of the bishops the truth of the matter...
Cyprian of Carthage Epistle 44 par 4 [200-270 AD]
That we, with the rest of our colleagues, may steadily and firmly administer this office, and keep it in the concordant unanimity of the Catholic Church, the divine condescension will accomplish; so that the Lord who condescends to elect and appoint for Himself priests in His Church...
Cyprian of Carthage Epistle 45 par 2 [200-270 AD]
We," they say, "know that Cornelius is bishop of the most holy Catholic Church elected by Almighty God, and by Christ our Lord. We confess our error; we have suffered imposture; we were deceived by captious perfidy and loquacity. For although we seemed, as it were, to have held a kind of communion with a man who was a schismatic and a heretic, yet our mind was always sincere in the Church. For we are not ignorant that there is one God; that there is one Christ the Lord whom we have confessed, and one Holy Spirit; and that in the Catholic Church there ought to be one bishop.
Cyprian of Carthage epistles 43 (200-270 ad)
For it weighs me down and saddens me, and the intolerable grief of a smitten, almost prostrate, spirit seizes me, when I find that you there, contrary to ecclesiastical order, contrary to evangelical law, contrary to the unity of the Catholic institution, had consented that another bishop should be made
Cyprian of Carthage epistle 74 par 16 (200-270 ad)
The foundation of the one Church which was based by Christ upon the rock, may be perceived from this, that Christ said to Peter alone, "Whatsoever thou shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatsoever thou shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
Cyprian of Carthage epistle 72 par 2 (200-270 ad)
For Novatian, after the manner of apes--which, although they are not men, yet imitate human doings--wishes to claim to himself the authority and truth of the Catholic Church, while he himself is not in the Church; nay, moreover, has stood forth hitherto as a rebel and enemy against the Church
Victorinus Commentary on the Apocalypse of John (240-303ad)
For the Catholic Church holds those things which were both predicted and accomplished
Peter of Alexandria Genuine Acts of Peter (260-311ad)
feared to rend His coat; he was so hurried on by giving the rein to his madness, that, rending asunder the Catholic Church not only in the cities of Egypt, but even in its villages, he ordained bishops of his own party, nor cared he aught for Peter, nor for Christ, who was in the person of Peter.
Eusebius of Caesarea Life of Constantine book 3 ch 19 (265-340 ad)
For our Saviour has left us one feast in commemoration of the day of our deliverance, I mean the day of his most holy passion; and he has willed that his Catholic Church should be one, the members of which, however scattered in many and diverse places, are yet cherished by one pervading spirit, that is, by the will of God
Eusebius of Caesarea Life of Constantine book 3 ch 65 (265-340 ad)
Let those of you, therefore, who are desirous of embracing the true and pure religion, take the far better course of entering the Catholic Church, and uniting with it in holy fellowship, whereby you will be enabled to arrive at the knowledge of the truth.
Eusebius of Caesarea Church History book 10 ch 1 (265-340 ad)
Copy of an epistle in which the emperor commands another synod to be held for the purpose of removing all dissensions among the bishops. [+] "Constantine Augustus to Chrestus, bishop of Syracuse. When some began wickedly and perversely to disagree among themselves in regard to the holy worship and celestial power and Catholic doctrine, wishing to put an end to such disputes among them, I formerly gave command that certain bishops should be sent from Gaul, and that the opposing parties who were contending persistently and incessantly with each other, should be summoned from Africa; that in their presence, and in the presence of the bishop of Rome, the matter which appeared to be causing the disturbance might be examined and decided with all care.
Eusebius of Caesarea Church History book 10 ch 1 (265-340 ad)
Since it is our pleasure that something should be granted in all the provinces of Africa and Numidia and Mauritania to certain ministers of the legitimate and most holy Catholic religion, to defray their expenses, I have written to Ursus, the illustrious finance minister of Africa, and have directed him to make provision to pay to thy firmness three thousand folles
Eusebius of Caesarea Church History book 10 ch 2 (265-340 ad)
Wherefore it is our will that when thou receivest this letter, if any such things belonged to the Catholic Church of the Christians, in any city or other place, but are now held by citizens or by any others,
Eusebius of Caesarea Church History book 7 (265-340ad)
During his reign a final synod composed of a great many bishops was held, and the leader of heresy in Antioch was detected, and his false doctrine clearly shown before all, and he was excommunicated from the Catholic Church under heaven.
Eusebius of Caesarea Church History book 4 (265-340ad)
But the splendor of the Catholic and only true Church, which is always the same, grew in magnitude and power, and reflected its piety and simplicity and freedom, and the modesty and purity of its inspired life and philosophy to every nation both of Greeks and of Barbarians
Eusebius of Caesarea Church History book 4 (265-340ad)
There is a letter, written in the name of the church over which he himself presided, to the parishes in Pontus, which relates the events that befell him, in the following words: "The church of God which dwelleth in Philomelium, and to all the parishes of the holy Catholic Church in every place; mercy and peace and love from God the Father be multiplied
Eusebius of Caesarea Church History book 4 (265-340ad)
And first we must speak of Dionysius, who was appointed bishop of the church in Corinth, and communicated freely of his inspired labors not only to his own people, but also to those in foreign lands, and rendered the greatest service to all in the Catholic epistles which he wrote to the church
Eusebius of Caesarea Church History book 2 (265-340ad)
These things are recorded in regard to James, who is said to be the author of the first of the so-called Catholic epistles
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Alexander of Alexandria Epistle 2 on the Arian Heresy par 1(266-326 ad)
To our beloved and most reverend fellow-ministers of the Catholic Church in every place, Alexander sends greeting in the Lord: 1. Since the body of the Catholic Church is one, and it is commanded in Holy Scripture that we should keep the peace,
Alexander of Alexandria Epistle 1 on the Arian Heresy par 12 (266-326 ad)
And besides the pious opinion concerning the Father and the Son, we confess to one Holy Spirit, as the divine Scriptures teach us; who hath inaugurated both the holy men of the Old Testament, and the divine teachers of that which is called the New.... And besides, also, one only Catholic and Apostolic Church, which can never be destroyed
Lactantius Divine Institutes book 4 (290-350 ad)
For when they are called Phrygians, or Novarians, or Valentinians, or Marcionites, or Anthropians, or Arians, or by any other name they have ceased to be Christians, who have lost the name of Christ, and assumed human and external names. Therefore it is the Catholic Church alone which retains true worship. This is the fountain of truth, this is the abode of the faith, this is the temple of God; into which if any one shall not enter, or from which if any shall go out, he is estranged from the hope of life and eternal salvation.
Methodius Oration concerning Simeon and Anna par 13 (300 ad)
Hail to thee, thou Catholic Church, which hast been planted in all the earth, and do thou rejoice with us. Fear not, little flock, the storms of the enemy for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom, and that you should tread upon the necks of your enemies.
Cyril of Jerusalem Catechetical Lecture 18 par 1 (315-386 ad)
Faith therefore in the Resurrection of the dead, is a great commandment and doctrine of the Holy Catholic Church; great and most necessary, though gainsaid by many, yet surely warranted by the truth
Cyril of Jerusalem Catechetical Lecture 18 par26 (315-386 ad)
And if ever thou art sojourning in cities, inquire not simply where the Lord's House is (for the other sects of the profane also attempt to call their own dens houses of the Lord), nor merely where the Church is, but where is the Catholic Church. For this is the peculiar name of this Holy Church, the mother of us all, which is the spouse of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Only-begotten Son of God
Cyril of Jerusalem Catechetical Lecture 18 par26 (315-386 ad)
I mean the meetings of the heretics, the Marcionists and Manichees, and the rest, for this cause the Faith has securely delivered to thee now the Article, "And in one Holy Catholic Church;" that thou mayest avoid their wretched meetings, and ever abide with the Holy Church Catholic in which thou wast regenerated.
Cyril of Jerusalem Catechetical Lecture 18 par 25 (315-386 ad)
Concerning this Holy Catholic Church Paul writes to Timothy, That thou mayest know haw thououghtest to behave thyself in the House of God, which is the Church of the Living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
Gregory of Nyssa Against Eunomius book 2 ch 14 (325-386 ad)
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Who comforteth us in all our tribulation(2)"; and John, in one of his Catholic Epistles, expressly gives to the Son the name of Comforter
Basil Letter 125 par 1 (329-379 ad)
Some, moreover, of the impious following of the Libyan Sabellius, who understand hypostasis and substance to be identical, derive ground for the establishment of their blasphemy from the same source, because of its having been written in the creed "if any one says that the Son is of a different substance or hypostasis, the Catholic and Apostolic Church anathematizes him."
Basil Letter 188 par 1 (329-379 ad)
As, for instance, if a man be convicted of crime, and prohibited from discharging ministerial functions, and then refuses to submit to the canons, but arrogates to himself episcopal and ministerial rights, and persons leave the Catholic Church and join him, this is unlawful assembly.
Ambrose of Milan On the death of Satyrus book 1 par 47 (340-397 ad)
But he was not so eager as to lay aside caution. He called the bishop to him, and esteeming that there can be no true thankfulness except it spring from true faith, he enquired whether he agreed with the Catholic bishops, that is, with the Roman Church
Tyrannius Rufinus Apology book 2 par 27 (340-410 ad)
Far be such a thing from me. I never followed you or any other man in your errors, but in the strength of Christ I will follow the Catholic church.
Council of Sardica cannon 17 (344 ad)
All the synod said: All that has been decreed the Catholic Church spread abroad throughout all the world will preserve and maintain.
Augustine of Hippo On the Creed Sermon to Catechumens par 14 [354-430 AD]
It follows after commendation of the Trinity, "The Holy Church." God is pointed out, and His temple. "For the temple of God is holy," says the Apostle, "which (temple) are ye." This same is the holy Church, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church, fighting against all heresies: fight, it can: be fought down, it cannot. As for heresies, they went all out of it, like as unprofitable branches pruned from the vine: but itself abideth in its root, in its Vine, in its charity. "The gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
Augustine of Hippo Confessions Book 6 Ch 1 par 1 [354-430 AD]
But when I had disclosed to her that I was now no longer a Manichaean [non-christian] though not yet a Catholic Christian,
Augustine of Hippo Confessions Book 9 Ch 7 par 11 [354-430 AD]
and the Holy Scriptures, which the authority of Thy Catholic Church pressed upon me,
Augustine of Hippo Catechising the uninstructed par 12 [354-430 AD]
But if, on the other hand, he has fallen upon the productions of some heretic and in ignorance, it may be, has retained in his mind anything which the true faith condemns, and yet supposes it to be Catholic doctrine, then we must set ourselves sedulously to teach him, bringing before him (in its rightful superiority) the authority of the Catholic Church
Augustine of Hippo City of God Book 11 ch 13 [354-430 AD]
For what Catholic Christians do not know that no new devil will ever arise among the good angels, as he knows that this present devil will never again return into the fellowship of the good?
Augustine On Baptism Against the Donatists book 1 ch 10 par 14 (354-430 ad)
For it is severed from the bond of peace and charity, but it is joined in one baptism. And so there is one Church which alone is called Catholic
Augustine of Hippo City of God Book 8 ch 15 [354-430 AD]
And therefore it is agreed among all Christians who truthfully hold the Catholic faith, that we are subject to the death of the body, not by the law of nature, by which God ordained no death for man, but by His righteous infliction on account of sin; for God, taking vengeance on sin, said to the man, in whom we all then were, "Dust thou art, and unto dust shall thou return
Thanks.
Is there any detail about Mr. Fuller‘s claim about a member or members of the LifeWay executive team stealing millions from LifeWay? I know LifeWay recently sold their brand new headquarters because of financial trouble. But if the financial trouble is because of people stealing millions of dollars than these executives need to go to jail.
A tale of two Russells 😳
If Roget's Thesaurus had synonyms for the SBC, what would they be? Bloated? Smug?
unrepentant, worldly, blind guides...
Hmmm....doesn't this mirror exactly whats happening in the secular world?
As the SBC and the SBTS let CRT and others let false doctrines in, it is just a matter of time before they fall.
I just saw this video (07/23) and am curious as to Dr. Fuller would say after last month's annual convention? Another fallout from said convention was the false theology promotion "church" Elevation leaving the SBC. All that, along with sexual abuse + coverups. As a former Lifeway employee, I saw many things YEARS ago that was questionable!
Are guys like Mohler so wrapped up in power that he doesn’t discern this evil? Maybe he was never saved, pretty horrible either way
It's also possible he was totally saved and then became apostate and lost his salvation.
Entertainment centers. I no longer claim to be SB. Now am Missionary. Baptist.
Why does every conflict need to be a constitutional conference in Congregational churches.
Why in the world is Dustin Benge joining SBTS?
Wait, what??! 😳
If they would go back to the Torah, I am sure many of those women would be willing to take that drink as a testimony.
Yuri Bezmenov A.K.A. Tomas Schuman - Soviet Subversion Process: this searching for Yuri Bezmenov will get you to an hour long video made in 1985. There are no modern prophets... Time traveller or KGB agent, Bezmenov nails 2020-2021 to the T.
Great video
Some surprises here, particularly about Mohler!
did you hear about how he robbed Fuller of his severance pay? he's not a good guy
do you have links where all this information can be viewed?
Whew!! For a second. Because, I saw the title which is of course. Russell Fuller predicts the end. And, that’s all I can see. And, I am not a follower of tribulation sermons.
What is the deal about NAMB and buying votes at this year's convention?
Dues? Churches can give or not give. There are no dues.
We definitely don't want social justice 😮😂
I think we all know the Southern Seminary situation he’s describing
I don’t think I do. Or if so, I can’t recall. That’s what happens when you get older. Lol
I certainly don't, and neither do most Baptists. I did not attend Southern, and have only been on the campus once (over 30 years ago).
SBC elites don’t care.
What are your thoughts on cbf?
They are unbiblical. They left the SBC because they wanted to ordain women as pastors, against 1 Timothy 2 and Titus 1. They have embraced CRT. Any group that advocates unbiblical positions should be avoided.
As for the SBC, it hasn't embraced false doctrine in its official positions but their leadership is unfortunately thoroughly corrupt.
@@CT-if2tt right, they don't endorse women pastors, but they elected a dude who let his wife preach with him at their church. We believe the Baptist Faith and Message, wink wink...
@@jamescook5617 Of course Ed Litton is wrong for that.
If sex is consensual there is no power dynamic and no victimhood. If sex isn’t consensual then it’s a crime. Watch carefully the waters you tread.
23:00 Jon - Lenin called them “useful idiots”.
Stop giving adulation to men. Everyone puts their pants on one leg at a time…”I am of Jesus alone”… whether in the pulpit or the Whitehouse or anyone in between. Humans are not perfect and never will be. Learn this reality or go through more pain and disappointment it’s everyone’s individual call!!!
One thing does give me hope: the SBC has shown a remarkable resilience through its 186 year history. It has survived the Civil War, two world wars, the Great Depression, numerous social upheavals, and quite a remarkable amount of internal strife.
I agree. There are a lot of Bible believing good people with a heart for the Lord and seeing people saved in the SBC. The convention has been bathed in many many prayers. We need to be obedient and continue praying.
The SBC was filled up the the brim with liberals and corruption before. It can be purged again. But people need to have a spine and stand against it.
Or they can leave. That's ok too. But too many millennials and the like don't want to fight. They simply want to get out before things even get remotes heated because they were raised in an environment of "everyone's a winner" and no I'm not old. Just turned 38. My generation is worse than the boomers
Not to mention the Apostle of compromise, Billy Graham, infiltration by KKK at high levels infiltration by Freemasonry at high levels and on and on and on as far as apostasy and heresy. That is largely the history of the Southern Baptist convention
@@mikeconnor4736 "Infiltration by KKK"? I would say "get lost", but I think you already are.
@@citizenken7069 you are really not aware of this, that KKK membership in sbc incl leadership, was common for many decades up till perhaps 50 years ago? not hard to research. I'll assume you dont challenge a century of free wheeling freemasonry in high sbc places, perhaps still on going,, nor the decades long covered up sexual abusers. hmmm.
Has the familia become more mafia than oikon tou theou?
You have Christ pruning His church and cutting off unfruitful branches. The results will eventually be leaner, stronger, and biblically faithful fruit bearing churches. More like Gideon's army. After pruning, greater fruitfulness will follow but it takes patience and perseverance. We need to get back to thinking long haul teaching generationally.
The seeker sensitive, prosperity garbage, CRT, and such is like blind leading blind so will fall in the ditch.
Again, I think Bob Jones U would me a good fit😂
huh? context?
Many in the SBC defended abusers. They often reassigned sexual predators and did not report to the church or law enforcement their crimes. So they had access for years to more victims.
If one gives any money to the SBC, then one is being a negligent steward, even a wicked steward. This is not be true if the SBC are a Christian institution, but it is true because they are not.
Well, as much as I disdain the SBC and the whole concept of the cooperative program, I am sure there exist other ways to be a wicked steward. Here's an easy example, just overpay your federal taxes.
I predicted this over a year ago...also the pca will crumble soon
What’s going on with PCA? Usual woke-ness or…
Unfortunately, you could be right.
@@oldman8277 gay stuff, woke-keller, pro-jabb, etc.
@@outboardprsnlstndup very unfortunate, I was pca my whole life.
@@ratedrreformed8452 same here- I’m still in a PCA church
Something bad happened in my SBC local church also. About 3 years ago the power dried up in the pulpit. No conviction, no challenging sermons, no real talk about sin being something God hates, or living a holy life, no mention of hell in 5 years except once (and that was very mild, almost apologetic) ..... Nothing but emotional nonsense, love, love, love.
With the election of their new president this year things have only kicked into high gear. You cannot hold any office in our church unless you are fully in the ultra Calvanist far left agenda. They have secret classes only the "elect" are even told about and what they're teaching in them (I guess "God hates some people and wants the majority of people to go to hell") is causing many to abandon the church outright. If you're not of a certain class and easily indoctrinated you're no body, just tolerated. Very sad....
Piper and these ultra 5 point Calvanists are destroying the churches. They are slandering the Word, the character of Christ and His plan of salvation to the world. This doctrine is of the devil and its fruit is unholy and obviously so.
Read "The Forgotten Spurgeon", by Iain Murray... Old school Calvinists such as Charles Spurgeon, and many of the founders of SBC were godly men who paid a big price for standing for the Scriptures in their day. These "new Calvinist" are a different breed, they are compromised in so many ways, almost like they're serving their own agendas under the guise of 'their ministries'... I agree, Piper, Driscoll, Keller, Mahaney, Mohler, and many others have managed to introduce pernicious practices and subvert the churches... and sadly, we have not yet hit the bottom of where this is heading. Beth Moore will take the SBC many fathoms deeper down into the abyss of apostasy.
Please Note: Being a Calvinist has ZERO to do with being corrupt - sin applies to EVERYONE. Based on your comments, I don't believe you actually understand what the theology behind Calvinism is and as such I would invite you to study a bit about it. You may find your eyes opened and burdens relieved when you understand that the only choice we actually have as regenerated people is which sin we desire to participate in.
These individuals who hold positions of leadership as teachers, preachers, leaders WILL have a much more severe punishment than the people they lead astray. I hope my church leaves the SBC very soon. It sickens me that our amazing church has part (complicit even) in remaining with an entity that is KNOWN to be corrupt and refuses to correct their ways.
Prayer changes things. Please Lord, expel these corrupt leaders from their positions and bring integrity back into leadership for the sake of your people and their fulfillment of the Great Commission and not the great reset. Amen
Well said
@@itsbecklesonutube - Since Aug of 2001 I have been a Christian who reads the Word of God, cover to cover, every year at least once. Sometimes I get thru it twice in one year. But it has now been 30 times thru and I still enjoy it.
Why I never received your comment when you wrote it, I have no idea. But I would have responded more promptly had I gotten it a year ago.
I do not expect to see Calvinism in my Bible any more than I do, Mormonism, Buddhism or Wiccan teaching. There is NO book, chapter or verse that deals with Calvinism, indeed every verse of the Word of God profoundly REJECTS Calvinism entirely. Calvinism taints the holiness of a righteous God. It slanders the character of Christ. To think we have no choice in any matter here on earth is a joke since God specifically GAVE us choice. Deut 31:19 Good tells His people to CHOOSE life after giving them both options, blessing and cursing, life and death. God is not a liar. He doesn't give us a command to do anything unless He gives us the ability to fulfill that choice, task.
If we continue the debate you need to understand our friendly discussion will not involve your opinions but scripture only. Show me.... WHERE does the Bible say "we as followers of Christ stay in sin and choose which sins to partake in"? It is not in the Bible. Use a verse to explain your point of view but be sure we will be examining the context. My Bible says the opposite and tells us to reject the world, to live holy and carry your cross daily or you cannot be a disciple of Christ (Lk 9:23 and repeatedin every one of the 4 Gospels, and 1 Pt 1:13-17).
1 Pt 2:1 says we should LAY ASIDE ALL of these evils, not choose which ones we want to play with.
@@itsbecklesonutube - And believe me, I have studied Calvinism, the 5 points, tulip. They are not Biblical in any remote way.
I watch the first 20 minutes and agree with what you’re saying, but where were you guys for the last 20 years when stealth Calvinists were taking over non-Calvinist churches? Don’t you think that the decades of coveting and lying to steal by “conservative“ Calvinists set the groundwork for this?
Over a decade ago, my previous southern Baptist pastor said that in the last two years at his previous pastorate he was aware of about five churches that were split by Southern seminary graduates when the church search committees weren’t careful enough. After he left, the Calvinist intern pastor who teaches at one of our seminaries helped push through a five point Calvinist (with a masters from Southern) who was deceptive about his beliefs.
Calvinists were silent about this for decades, and now are upset when liberals are doing it? If you all had stood up against this when it was to your advantage, we wouldn’t be here. It looks like the golem Calvinists made has now turned on them.
The “only antidote to liberalism“ in the Southern Baptist convention turned out to be the gateway drug to liberalism. Maybe you should reconsider your theology?
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Amen!
Have been a member of two SBC churches that were destroyed by stealth Calvinist.
The TULIPS have bloomed.
It wood appear that has spread to other abuses.
Big difference there pal, liberalism is anti-biblical and Calvinism properly understood is Thoroughly biblical
@@mikeconnor4736 liberalism is anti-biblical, and as a former Calvinist, I would disagree with Calvinism, too. That said, I’d be more likely to worship with a Calvinist than a liberal. In fact, at my non-Calvinist church this morning, I did worship with a Calvinist.
But whatever different views we hold on theology, the above problems I mentioned still apply.
Calvinists like to talk about how behavior flows from worldview. What in the Calvinist worldview has promoted behavior so common their names for them, “cage stage Calvinism“ (People becoming so carnal when they become Calvinists that they should be metaphorically locked in a cage-This a the term even Calvinists use) and “stealth Calvinism“ (Calvinist pastoral candidates coveting non-Calvinist churches and lying to steal them)?
Here’s a short 10 minute video with the Provisionist understanding of predestination contrasted with a Calvinist one. It focuses on Ephesians 1 -
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@@mikeconnor4736 Ah yes, but then god made the lost liberal to be lost with no ability to be saved and no hope. He also made the Calvinist lie so he could steal money, be a sexual predator and try to steal churches.
@@AlaskanMissions strange thoughts and experiences you have
I attended SBTS from 1989-1992 with the School of Church Music. Thankfully Roy Honeycutt was the President and standing firm against the onslaught of the fight to remove him. He retired after I graduated. I said when Al Mohler was installed that he was going to be horrible.
I had watched the “conservative movement” from my SBC church and said then that it was all about power and money. I didn’t care what was said. Well, how did that turn out?
We were taught while at SBTS to give back once we graduated so others could attend as we did. The second year I told the student calling to take me off the list. I could see what was coming. Mohler destroyed the School of Church Music. We received very well rounded education by professors who knew what church music was and were out serving local churches. Then the seeker sensitive movement began along with the praise band movement. There was no way I could support that.
So sad to see what has become of the SBC and SBTS. These men came in under the guise of “restoring inerrancy” when it was nothing except getting into power and having control of the money.
Sadly, I was right. Said too that of the SBC went done the road of the Presbyterians and Methodists the SBC was done as well as the American mainline churches.
Want a Bible teaching and preaching church? Find a non-denominational church. This is from a born, raised and educated SBC person. Just so sad to see what has happened over the past 30 years.