John, thank you for continuing to do the Lord’s work. Lately, you’ve been exceeding the very high bar you already set for yourself. It is much appreciated.
I am grateful, Jon and Dr. Fuller, for your commitment to truth! How can we continue to give to throw our money into that dark, mysterious hole that is the SBC!? I met with my pastor for two hours about all of this, before the convention. I am happy to say that we are on the same page regarding all of this. I am waiting to see what the next step for our church will be. Thanks again, gentlemen!
Jon, I and my wife watched many of your podcasts. I have to say this one with Dr. Fuller has been my favorite. I love the light being shined on the issues we are concerned with but more than that hearing Dr. Fuller speak about teaching the layman or bi-vocational preacher. That's me! I've never been able to go to or afford classes. I'm going to check this out for sure. Keep up the good work, for the Lord.
God bless people like Dr. Fuller who say it how it is and remain faithful to Christ, regardless how it effects them! I know for a fact that what he says about the covert bookkeeping is reality. It was in the large SBC church I attended outside of Nashville. The offertory was always going around but no transparency existed regarding church employee salaries and programs. God sees all and it is He who we seek to honor, not man.
I love Dr. Fuller's After Hours! That is worth the cost of a course. I have been so blessed by taking my first course with him. Looking forward to the fall. Thanks for interviewing him again.
I am a member of the SBC. Many people from our church went. I have stopped giving my tithes to the SBC and giving it to pay the new church mortgage. Now I am convinced I will never again give money where I am unsure it is being spent. I am curious if our Pastor will address the Convention. Several weeks ago from the pulpit he said " There will be no more Beth Moore studies in this church and her books will be removed from the church library" that should give you an indication that he is VERY conservative. Can't wait for Sunday morning. I have loved the truth this man is telling. Thank you so much.
I highly recommended Dr. Fuller’s classes! I took both semesters this past year. The classes corrected so many errors that I’ve picked up over the years and has steered my faith away from shipwreck. Thank you Jon because I found Dr. Fuller through your channel. Blessings!
My thoughts exactly as I listened to this. The SBC has become political. It should be biblical only. We have folks going through the Pipeline and now I’m wondering 1) what exactly they are being taught, and 2) will they know if they are being taught CRT and other heresies? I think the only reason we haven’t left the SBC is because of the money we get from them, which of course is the wrong reason to stay.
I’m a nobody but this has really inspired me. I just shared this with my pastor friend. Maybe even I will take a class from Dr Fuller so I can learn more about the Bible. Thank you for this video.
Sir you are not a nobody. God looks for that one man to stand in the gap and if that is you than you are more important to the Lord than any somebody who is not faithful. Take a class from Dr. Fuller, well worth the cost and easy to grasp for anybody.
Sad but that certainly seems true. I've personally seen the steady capitulations to the world in the large Nashville area SBC church I attended for a decade. Very sad.
I can’t thank you enough for doing this broadcast. I saw this coming a few years ago and I found a couple of missionaries to support directly and God has really blessed that . The church on a whole have become so institutionalized that I really do believe God is calling us to home church in smaller groups . My son is on the mission field living on somebody’s porch, really sacrificing for the Gospels sake.people are getting saved not in mass numbers but individual lives are changing because he does follow up decipleship and I begged him not to go to Bible college because I did not want him corrupted. I told him continue to read your Bible daily pray not for five minutes or 30 minutes but extended periods of time give yourself to Christ he will teach you and he has. I wish I could find a church in my area that truly loves God‘s word and obeys it but they are so far and few between. I am blessed to have a small Sunday school class there is trying to live out the Bible. But I know so many don’t and it’s heartbreaking. Thank you for everything you’re doing.
@@babidee14531 Yes. We are all ministers. Eph. 4:11-13. However, there are some who are professional (i.e. getting paid for it is their primary means of support) 1 Cor. 9:9, 1 Tim. 5:17-18.
This interview was exactly what I needed. I’m a SBC church member, & I was wondering how to still give to my church without supporting the CP. I’m done with it! Thanks for sharing what you do!
I'm so saddened by this news. But, I ask Jesus Christ to help me be discernig, and increasing my wisdom. I want to remain faithful to Y--WAH, and His Word. Praying for all our persecuted Pastors and teachers, fellow Brothers & Sisters to remain faithful to The Way and The Word.
I think it would be good for all of these leaders to make a full disclosure of any financial bribes they are given to advance agendas, like from George Soreass. I think there should be a rule that if full disclosure isn't made and discovered should lead to the immediate dismissal of the person who accepted it.
Dr Fuller represents a direction that reflects a true view of the market “diversification and expansion”. Every aspect of the market (the gospel has traditionally traveled the market routes through history) has been to decentralize. This started in The Reformation with the scripture leaving the centralized control of the Catholic Church in Latin and then exploded into the vernaculars of every nation that the Reformation changed. It started centralized and ended up completely diversified and decentralized with even the definition of minister and ministry changing to the common man from the priest. Today we have again seen the centralization of the church. God is breaking that apart and is bringing another Reformation to the church. The type school Dr Fuller is running looks more like what happened with Luther teaching at Wittenberg University which was an independent university NOT affiliated with the centralized and tyrannical church. Not only the church but the worldly education system needs to go the same way.
Amen... "Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect."
Exactly. The centralized form of governance is nothing but potential tyranny whether it be found in the church or in the government. Individual leadership on the smallest level is best and well served the Reformation in expanding the gospel into the largest aspect of society. Since the Great Awakening we have moved more and more Geordie centralized government in both the church and in society.
In the words of a faithful conservative SBC elder statesman, " The convention was 'disappointing'." In the words of a non-SBC Bible-believing Christian, "The convention was an unmitigated disaster!" In the words of the Evil One, "This most recent SBC convention was a wonderful success! We are very happy with the outcome and look forward to working with our new and existing partners in the SBC to build a better world in my image."
The problem is that voting at the conventions is by whatever individuals are able to attend. It should be by churches, with each church getting one vote.
I don’t have any plans or impressions to be a pastor. However, I definitely may consider, with my wife, about enrolling in Dr. Fuller’s courses for the sake of understanding the Bible better as well as its theology. Why would I want to do that if I’m not aiming to be a pastor? Because I want to be better equipped to lead my family against the attacks from Satan and his world. I feel VERY convinced that they are my full-time ministry.
I have a question: so if I’m correct Steve Furtick’s church is “associated” with the SBC… does that church… or churches like that send msengers to the Convention? And question #2 does a large church get to send more messengers to a convention or how is that allocated? Thanks!
I don't know about Steve Furtick's church, but here are the rules regarding Messengers. Basically, 2 per church, but you can send more based on how much you donate to the CP: sbcannualmeeting.net/messengers/becoming-a-church-messenger/
@@Kentucky_Tim Wow! Buying access? From the rules, "One additional messenger for each $6,000 which the church contributed during the fiscal year preceding through the Cooperative Program, and/or through the Convention’s Executive Committee for Convention causes, and/or to any Convention entity." No wonder the connected show up in large numbers while small churches are underrepresented.
Having attended the convention, I can say that it was just as you described. This was a great interview, and I am sending it out far and wide. I am praying for you and wishing you well.
I think I completely agree with you, Jon, and Russell about CRT and the liberal drift in the SBC. I totally agree with Fuller's diagnosis that it's 60-40 in favor of the more liberal side. But I still think SBC conservatives are missing how to approach this problem. Now, I am no expert in the SBC. But I think I see something that no one is talking about and I'd appreciate your attention. In the show "Extras", Ricky Gervais is a type-cast actor who has to make a choice: as an actor, does he want to be artistic or popular? He wants both, of course. But if he takes artistic roles, those roles won't bring popularity or money. If he takes popular roles, they will be unfulfilling. It couldn't be more similar to the issues with the SBC. Genuine conservatives in the SBC need to figure this one choice out: do you want to have power or purity? I could not agree more with the criticisms I hear from the people people like Fuller, Ascol, Stone, and Rod Martin. I GET IT. THEY ARE RIGHT. But there's no way the majority of the SBC will go along with pure dedication to purifying the SBC from its bad apples. Most people don't feel drawn to vote for that kind of "cleaning house in the SBC" vision. For many, if not most, of them, it would require these churches to eat crow and realize they've been going the wrong direction for years. Are we really expecting a brokenness and repentance from all those previous messengers, pastors, and churches who supported CRT and preached social justice sermons the last 4-8 years? On the other hand, if the genuine conservatives (leaders named above) want to win power, they need to swallow their pride and just emphasize the positive. If they can hold their disdain for CRT in for a couple years and just give a very compelling positive vision for the SBC, minus the house-cleaning emphasis, I think they could win a lot of powerful positions. In many ways, I think this is how Mohler achieved so much power. He sounded professional. He didn't offend people. I'm talking about the old Al Mohler that used to at least feign biblically conservative confidence from time to time. The one MacArthur and Sproul liked to hang out with. I believe the SBC conservatives could win by focusing on biblical preaching, evangelism, biblical integrity, grace...and yes, some humanitarian work that can merge with those things on issues like sex trafficking, Uyghur genocide, and crisis pregnancy counseling. No one can argue against that. This might sound easy, but it also would mean abstaining from critiquing people like Russell Moore, Beth Moore, and all those bad seminary profs. So what do SBC conservatives want? Power or purity?
@@gregb6469 I don't disagree. But the question is how do you define faithful? Always denouncing CRT? Denouncing it once and then moving on? Just sticking to expository preaching and ignoring bad political fads? I think it's a judgment call.
@Blue Moan I totally agree with you. But as pastors, we have a limited amount of time and words to use. What percentage do we give to reacting to social issues? When do those issues stop dictating our primary focus? At it's core, it's an issue of emphasis for me. If I make it about God's word, I make social issues secondary or tertiary. And I think an SBC leader who wants to do that might have some success.
Brother Harris, thank you for your work. Those who want to remain in 'communion' with the SBC need to be forced to interact with (1) Kingdom of God theology (2) Baptist historical theology (3) Separatism theology and then they will loose any valid, logical reasons for remaining in the SBC. Can you cover something like this?
Dr Fuller is superb! Thank God for faithful men! I wish I would’ve had him when I went to seminary. But I hopefully will be able to audit some of his classes.
Where you were talking about the 26 and 27 min. mark of the video sounds like Mormonism in how they view Christ as not God at all. If Christ is only partially God He is not God at all.
Excellent program. Loved hearing Dr. Fuller's take on SBC21. I am interested to know, though, why his local church is apparently staying with the SBC? Are they planning to pull out? If not, why would Dr. Fuller stay with that local church?
With my pastor retiring soon, I may have to leave. I have already left one church. I have designated my offerings so that nothing goes to the SBC or the KBC (Kentucky Baptist Convention). My current church is not woke nor following the trends of the SBC. However, I do know that my future in the SBC is in doubt. I am still struggling to decide whether to continue the fight or get out. I like to be in the fight, but I am not sure that if the orthodox win, the Convention can stay on course. The liberals will simply become "conservative" as they did after the conservative resurgence.
@@fuller985 Thank you for clarifying. You're in a tough spot. I do commend you for your courage and integrity in leaving the seminary you taught in for so many years, and your former church, and now apparently the possibility of having to do it again. I am moved by the way the Lord has taken care of you in unexpected ways after taking these bold steps. In God's providence we'll look back at these litany of sufferings to see that they were all a momentary light affliction, producing for us an eternal weight of glory far beyond all comparison.
You reference a document dump at Enemies Within the Church. Can you post a link? All i can find by that name on the net is a site about the church in Naples- no links other than movie info- is this correct and how do you find the documents?
Struck by the idea that if remote voting had been possible, the outcome may have been different. ( expense of attending was limiting) Similar to Democratic Party’s desire to make voting accessible to hourly workers in lower income category.
Anyone: 1. Please explain to me how the Southern Baptist Convention leadership is any different than the Roman Catholics and; 2. Please explain to me how The Great Requirement is not the same justification/sanctification conflation that the Reformation corrected.
@Blue Moan I saw that, too. Leftist tactics all the way. Flame and slander people while accusing them of flaming and slandering. The SBC is a dumpster fire in a cesspool. Ichabod.
Great questions. Requires one to really think about things. Also, one has to come to the conclusion that we've gone backwards and now imitate that which needs to be destroyed.
Yes, Online classes do have tremendous potential! We are overseas doing the very same thing online to Chinese churches all around the world! Thanks to covid! God uses all things to accomplish His purposes!
I first took Hebrew over 20 years ago at Southeastern in the master's program. I have obtained close ten grammars over the years, for sermon preparation and teaching. My experience using this grammar over the past year has been great. I really like his system. Dr. Fuller is extremely professional. I was so impressed with the way he dressed for his office hours. This guy is a class act. He takes these classes just as seriously as he did at Southern.
This is so disheartening the state of the church body in the US is disturbing. Hearing what some of these “pastors” push in complete opposition to the bible really makes me feel that we need a new convention all together that will push against the ways of the world with no compromise.
@@megofiachra3247 but it's smoke and mirrors you designating your money just releases money with no designated requirements to go to the SBC.. only works if everyone designates.
The 40% vote was 1) the slander against Stone 2)some people still think Mohler is trustworthy (although that number is lower) 3) the staff paid to vote by NAMB
Agreed, now how are we to hope such strategies will not continue to be effective in upcoming years. Greear was already pretty offensive to those who are paying attention. The heresy in NAMB is not newly discovered, this has been documented a couple years I think at this point. The attention of the general public on CRT has never been greater. Given all these conditions the messengers still were easily tricked. Why should we hope the situation is better in the future ? The more I think about it, the more clear it is time to leave the SBC and keep money local and mission funds targeted.
@@jamescook5617 it is certainly something we all have to consider and seek the Lord's direction. I would say that many true conservatives will pull out, which weakens the amount of people there to fight. I am considering our next steps and how to proceed
Is the donate button to help preachers that have trouble paying? Or is that to just keep cost down. Because the prices are good, under 1/4 cost of seminary class
The great apostasy ...no surprise. The Holy Spirit was removed and the void is filling. Time to read and do the red letter words of the Lord Jesus...go back to the beginning.
Yes. Being affiliated with the SBC is what makes a church Southern Baptist. But that does not mean all Baptist churches in the southern states are SBC; quite a few are either affiliated with other Baptist groups, or are independent.
Part of the problem is folks’ misapplication of Scripture, trying to put believers today under the Law, any law, some law. We were never under the Law and never will be. The Law was for Israel, not us in this age of grace alone. We must rid our verbiage of today + “the Law.” It seems the most difficult task of Christians throughout the centuries is fighting the pride of placing some work on the Gospel. Believe. Nothing else.
They're not saying you can't be saved without the Great Requirement, they are saying once you are saved you then need to adopt the leftist platform to obey the full gospel.
@Blue Moan I see what you are saying, but it doesn't make sense historically or politically to call the left "Nazis." You can criticize the Nazis, but they were fighting the revolutionary leftist communists and anarchists. Leftists did the same thing in the USSR--they oppressed the native population and Christians. Compare them to their forbears on the left. They are leftist authoritarians. By calling them "Nazis," you are feeding their narrative that diminishes the left's historical and present crimes, as well as feeding the idea that Nazis are the problem in 2021.
The Scriptures has warned us about our CONUNDRUM. Being a Pastor is not a status symbol, it is a responsibility to ADONAI, Pastor are held accountable to the Gospel of the SON YESHUA HAMASHIACH . If you do not seek the HOLY SPIRIT for Wisdom, Truth, Modesty, Meekness, Grace, Equanimity, and Humility to proclaim the word in season, and out of season. Pastor, and Teachers will be judged by a Tougher Standard, so one should with fear, and trembling approach Pastoring, and Teaching. Pastoring, and Teaching is not a Picnic in the Park. The word of ADONAI is precious, it is becoming dormant in the body of YESHUA HAMASHIACH, the bride of YESHUA HAMASHIACH. The Glory of ADONAI is moving, and beginning to check out of presence of many believers of YESHUA HAMASHIACH. The grieving, and quenching of the HOLY SPIRIT is not a good thing at all. But ADONAI is about to expose many in HIS assembly. He is in control, HE is on the throne, He is seeking, stirring, and wooing individuals who need HIS guidance, leadership, engineering, steering, and piloting. Lean on the EVERLASTING 💪 of ADONAI, great is HIS faithfulness, HE will not abandon, forsake, leave us lonely, or orphan. Oh ADONAI , what is the next move, and action ? IMMANUEL, EL ROI 👁👁 👀 our 💚🖤 . HE 👂👂👂👂our 🧠 . We must become transparent, courageous, authentic with our SACRIFICE, SALVATION, SAVIOUR, and Sar SHALOM. The SON YESHUA HAMASHIACH did not become flesh, dwelt among us, died, was buried, rose, ascended into heaven for our selfishness. The HOLY SPIRIT is not here to play our parlor games, and power plays, or power grab. Decay is a good word to use here. De = From, Cadere = Fall. Decidere = Fall Down or Off . There is alot of Christian who have never been Lost, or Repentant. Many are like the Unrepentant Thief on his cross. That is a sad place to be. 🙏✝️⚓🛐🤲. The 🕯💡has not gone out. The HOLY SPIRIT is still moving throughout the body 🤝💯🌪♨️🔥 . Thank You Very Much ADONAI for the Grace YOU have dispense to Russell T. Fuller. Maranatha Amen ! 🌬🗣👤👥🤺 . Following EL OLAM is a Marathon, not a sprint 🚶♀️🚶♂️🏃♀️🏃♂️ . Patience is the virtue we all need.
Did the comment "the great requirement" have it's roots in 2nd Lausanne conference (John Stott), liberation theology, other? Like the work of Christ is no longer sufficient? Using "faith without works is dead" and other references? His work (birth, death, resurrection) IS sufficient!
That depends on your church. Mine prides itself in 14 or 15 percent to the cooperative program. I am in the midst of trying to get my pastor to change course. At a minimum, I need the church to not use percentage based allocation since my marking my own giving as "not for SBC cooperative program" means little if the church just uses other people's money to fill in my gap. I am hoping my pastor looks into the controversy and sees why we cannot give to NAMB or especially SEND...
He seems to see the huge problems in the beliefs of the majority of the convention and seminary faculties and calls it "apostacy". But he doesn't do what the Bible says to do about false teaching, reject it and separate from it. He is a teacher of the Bible but not a doer of the Bible. No young person that is devoted to the truth should go to a seminary that does not teach the Bible. No pastor that loves the truth in the Bible should send their young people to a seminary like that. Don't send lambs to be taught by wolves. You need to go to the independent Baptist seminaries to find teaching that is faithful to the Bible. Trust God and leave the perceived safety of the convention.
The Bible also includes passages which indicate confronting false teaching to be an acceptable (if not desired) course of action. Remember, Jesus said to His disciples “I’m sending you out as sheep among wolves.” I see what you’re saying, but try not to be so either/or here - especially when it’s more wise to accept the both/and in this case.
I like this guy but the fact that he was "once" one of "them" burns a little too strong in his critism, rendering it a tad overkill . Saying that, I'm there with him right now, doing it in other areas..
Re: @47:10 min. mark. My answer is: don’t answer the phone. Let it go to voicemail. I have a message on my voicemail which says if you do not leave a message you will be blocked and so I block them! If they’re legitimate they will leave a message. I don’t remember the last time I’ve ever talk to a spammer or think it’s been years since I decided to put that message on my voicemail. But rule is never talk to someone who you don’t know who called you out of the blue - it is nearly impossible to vet them otherwise.
How do these people justify saying such things as mentioned in Dr Fuller's description as Christian leaders? It seems to go directly against Biblical teaching.
So Fuller is still a Southern Baptist right? Why? And so until they fired him he was sending out false teachers? So is he ok or not with the profs now teaching in the seminaries? Or should the faithful profs like him now resign? He was ok teaching and not urging people to leave before he was fired? Why not? Was he complicit in the false teaching? Seminaries worth saving or not? So the SBC seminaries are educating thousands of pastors a year right? So, worth saving right? Or were the seminaries worth saving the day before Fuller was fired but became not worth saving the day he was fired? Like a lever thrown like a switch? Before Fuller fired--lets fight for faithfulness. But oops! Fuller fired. Now let's cut and run and burn it all down? Hmmm. Seems a bit infantile. Lacking seriousness. Not how you would treat something that's really yours and valuable.
I’m seeing jd greers negative impact I started attending a men’s Bible study the teachers uses all of greers material to teach the class teacher votes for liberal candidates pollically speaking I’ve been at odds with with him on social issues realize now why he been listening to to Greer to much
Dr Fuller’s testimony will continue to bear much fruit🙌🏻
“Bear “:)
John, thank you for continuing to do the Lord’s work. Lately, you’ve been exceeding the very high bar you already set for yourself. It is much appreciated.
I am grateful, Jon and Dr. Fuller, for your commitment to truth! How can we continue to give to throw our money into that dark, mysterious hole that is the SBC!? I met with my pastor for two hours about all of this, before the convention. I am happy to say that we are on the same page regarding all of this. I am waiting to see what the next step for our church will be. Thanks again, gentlemen!
I love this man. He is a class act. Than you for standing for truth Dr. Fuller!
Jon, I and my wife watched many of your podcasts. I have to say this one with Dr. Fuller has been my favorite. I love the light being shined on the issues we are concerned with but more than that hearing Dr. Fuller speak about teaching the layman or bi-vocational preacher. That's me! I've never been able to go to or afford classes. I'm going to check this out for sure.
Keep up the good work, for the Lord.
God bless people like Dr. Fuller who say it how it is and remain faithful to Christ, regardless how it effects them! I know for a fact that what he says about the covert bookkeeping is reality. It was in the large SBC church I attended outside of Nashville. The offertory was always going around but no transparency existed regarding church employee salaries and programs. God sees all and it is He who we seek to honor, not man.
I love Dr. Fuller's After Hours! That is worth the cost of a course. I have been so blessed by taking my first course with him. Looking forward to the fall. Thanks for interviewing him again.
First. Thank you Jon for all you do.
My pleasure! Thank you for listening.
I am a member of the SBC. Many people from our church went. I have stopped giving my tithes to the SBC and giving it to pay the new church mortgage. Now I am convinced I will never again give money where I am unsure it is being spent. I am curious if our Pastor will address the Convention. Several weeks ago from the pulpit he said " There will be no more Beth Moore studies in this church and her books will be removed from the church library" that should give you an indication that he is VERY conservative. Can't wait for Sunday morning. I have loved the truth this man is telling. Thank you so much.
I’m curious too if our pastor speaks about this. I think he was at the convention as well.
I highly recommended Dr. Fuller’s classes! I took both semesters this past year. The classes corrected so many errors that I’ve picked up over the years and has steered my faith away from shipwreck. Thank you Jon because I found Dr. Fuller through your channel. Blessings!
Why do we use the secular political terms of Conservative and Liberal. Should we not simply say Biblical and Apostate.
Well said!!
Good point!!
Those would be more accurate labels.
Thank You Very Much for your insight. People are beginning to ask this question, to make that point. 🤓🤭😏😉😎
My thoughts exactly as I listened to this. The SBC has become political. It should be biblical only. We have folks going through the Pipeline and now I’m wondering 1) what exactly they are being taught, and 2) will they know if they are being taught CRT and other heresies? I think the only reason we haven’t left the SBC is because of the money we get from them, which of course is the wrong reason to stay.
I never heard this guy before. I could listen to him all day. Bold man in a sea of spinless evanjellyfish. ;)
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one of the best podcasts available today. Great work Jon as always
John you are an excellent interviewer. You allow your guest to talk without interrupting.
I’m a nobody but this has really inspired me. I just shared this with my pastor friend. Maybe even I will take a class from Dr Fuller so I can learn more about the Bible. Thank you for this video.
Sir you are not a nobody. God looks for that one man to stand in the gap and if that is you than you are more important to the Lord than any somebody who is not faithful. Take a class from Dr. Fuller, well worth the cost and easy to grasp for anybody.
Sbc leaders care more about media optics than being faithfull to our Lord. The oncoming sbc split is a judgement of God.
Sad but that certainly seems true. I've personally seen the steady capitulations to the world in the large Nashville area SBC church I attended for a decade. Very sad.
Dr. Fuller needs to add a church history course. This is desperately needed in today's American Evangelicalism.
I can’t thank you enough for doing this broadcast. I saw this coming a few years ago and I found a couple of missionaries to support directly and God has really blessed that . The church on a whole have become so institutionalized that I really do believe God is calling us to home church in smaller groups . My son is on the mission field living on somebody’s porch, really sacrificing for the Gospels sake.people are getting saved not in mass numbers but individual lives are changing because he does follow up decipleship and I begged him not to go to Bible college because I did not want him corrupted. I told him continue to read your Bible daily pray not for five minutes or 30 minutes but extended periods of time give yourself to Christ he will teach you and he has. I wish I could find a church in my area that truly loves God‘s word and obeys it but they are so far and few between. I am blessed to have a small Sunday school class there is trying to live out the Bible. But I know so many don’t and it’s heartbreaking. Thank you for everything you’re doing.
Dr. Fuller has shown he is truly obedient to our Lord and courageous to speak out against the modern day Pharisees of the SBTS.
If all pastors stood up like this professional minister then that would cancel “Cancel Culture”
Professional minister...where is that in the Bible? Are we all not disciples of the Lord Jesus?
@@babidee14531 Yes. We are all ministers. Eph. 4:11-13. However, there are some who are professional (i.e. getting paid for it is their primary means of support) 1 Cor. 9:9, 1 Tim. 5:17-18.
@@babidee14531 Chase down the word Hireling.
Thank You Gentlemen ... to God be the Glory
This interview was exactly what I needed. I’m a SBC church member, & I was wondering how to still give to my church without supporting the CP. I’m done with it! Thanks for sharing what you do!
I'm so saddened by this news. But, I ask Jesus Christ to help me be discernig, and increasing my wisdom. I want to remain faithful to Y--WAH, and His Word. Praying for all our persecuted Pastors and teachers, fellow Brothers & Sisters to remain faithful to The Way and The Word.
Such a helpful interview. Thank you, to both of you, for being faithful to the scriptures and for speaking the truth.
One of your best, Jon. Thank you for all you do.
What a wonderful Man! Good channel Jon! REALLY GOOD! _ALL GLORY_ goes to The KING of kings, and LORD of lords!
I think it would be good for all of these leaders to make a full disclosure of any financial bribes they are given to advance agendas, like from George Soreass. I think there should be a rule that if full disclosure isn't made and discovered should lead to the immediate dismissal of the person who accepted it.
It sounds like someone may be lining their pockets for sure!
Dr Fuller represents a direction that reflects a true view of the market “diversification and expansion”.
Every aspect of the market (the gospel has traditionally traveled the market routes through history) has been to decentralize.
This started in The Reformation with the scripture leaving the centralized control of the Catholic Church in Latin and then exploded into the vernaculars of every nation that the Reformation changed.
It started centralized and ended up completely diversified and decentralized with even the definition of minister and ministry changing to the common man from the priest.
Today we have again seen the centralization of the church. God is breaking that apart and is bringing another Reformation to the church.
The type school Dr Fuller is running looks more like what happened with Luther teaching at Wittenberg University which was an independent university NOT affiliated with the centralized and tyrannical church.
Not only the church but the worldly education system needs to go the same way.
God bless you DR. Fuller, and thank you for remaining faithful to the Lord and his Word!!!
Great interview. Thank you!
Wow, this is wonderful. Dr. Explained the gospel. 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
Excellent conversation brothers thank you
Thank you Jon, and Dr. Fuller for informing us of the sad situation of the SBC!!!!
Dr. Fuller, THANK YOU!! You bring the joy of our salvation to your clear message of the Gospel!
Excellent interview 👏
Accreditation is conformity with the world. Keep the faith, don't seek worldly approval!
The world is watching = seeker sensitivity, plain and simple.
Amen... "Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect."
I beleive this is the way new elders are to be brought up. Seminaries are new to Christian history.
Exactly. The centralized form of governance is nothing but potential tyranny whether it be found in the church or in the government.
Individual leadership on the smallest level is best and well served the Reformation in expanding the gospel into the largest aspect of society.
Since the Great Awakening we have moved more and more Geordie centralized government in both the church and in society.
In the words of a faithful conservative SBC elder statesman, " The convention was 'disappointing'."
In the words of a non-SBC Bible-believing Christian, "The convention was an unmitigated disaster!"
In the words of the Evil One, "This most recent SBC convention was a wonderful success! We are very happy with the outcome and look forward to working with our new and existing partners in the SBC to build a better world in my image."
It was a trainwreck!
The problem is that voting at the conventions is by whatever individuals are able to attend. It should be by churches, with each church getting one vote.
I don’t have any plans or impressions to be a pastor. However, I definitely may consider, with my wife, about enrolling in Dr. Fuller’s courses for the sake of understanding the Bible better as well as its theology. Why would I want to do that if I’m not aiming to be a pastor? Because I want to be better equipped to lead my family against the attacks from Satan and his world. I feel VERY convinced that they are my full-time ministry.
I have a question: so if I’m correct Steve Furtick’s church is “associated” with the SBC… does that church… or churches like that send msengers to the Convention?
And question #2 does a large church get to send more messengers to a convention or how is that allocated? Thanks!
I don't know about Steve Furtick's church, but here are the rules regarding Messengers. Basically, 2 per church, but you can send more based on how much you donate to the CP: sbcannualmeeting.net/messengers/becoming-a-church-messenger/
@@Kentucky_Tim Wow! Buying access? From the rules, "One additional messenger for each $6,000 which the church contributed during the fiscal year preceding through the Cooperative Program, and/or through the Convention’s Executive Committee for Convention causes, and/or to any Convention entity." No wonder the connected show up in large numbers while small churches are underrepresented.
The simplicity of God is necessary. That means that God is not a combination of parts.
Having attended the convention, I can say that it was just as you described. This was a great interview, and I am sending it out far and wide. I am praying for you and wishing you well.
I think I completely agree with you, Jon, and Russell about CRT and the liberal drift in the SBC. I totally agree with Fuller's diagnosis that it's 60-40 in favor of the more liberal side. But I still think SBC conservatives are missing how to approach this problem. Now, I am no expert in the SBC. But I think I see something that no one is talking about and I'd appreciate your attention.
In the show "Extras", Ricky Gervais is a type-cast actor who has to make a choice: as an actor, does he want to be artistic or popular? He wants both, of course. But if he takes artistic roles, those roles won't bring popularity or money. If he takes popular roles, they will be unfulfilling.
It couldn't be more similar to the issues with the SBC. Genuine conservatives in the SBC need to figure this one choice out: do you want to have power or purity?
I could not agree more with the criticisms I hear from the people people like Fuller, Ascol, Stone, and Rod Martin. I GET IT. THEY ARE RIGHT. But there's no way the majority of the SBC will go along with pure dedication to purifying the SBC from its bad apples. Most people don't feel drawn to vote for that kind of "cleaning house in the SBC" vision. For many, if not most, of them, it would require these churches to eat crow and realize they've been going the wrong direction for years. Are we really expecting a brokenness and repentance from all those previous messengers, pastors, and churches who supported CRT and preached social justice sermons the last 4-8 years?
On the other hand, if the genuine conservatives (leaders named above) want to win power, they need to swallow their pride and just emphasize the positive. If they can hold their disdain for CRT in for a couple years and just give a very compelling positive vision for the SBC, minus the house-cleaning emphasis, I think they could win a lot of powerful positions. In many ways, I think this is how Mohler achieved so much power. He sounded professional. He didn't offend people. I'm talking about the old Al Mohler that used to at least feign biblically conservative confidence from time to time. The one MacArthur and Sproul liked to hang out with. I believe the SBC conservatives could win by focusing on biblical preaching, evangelism, biblical integrity, grace...and yes, some humanitarian work that can merge with those things on issues like sex trafficking, Uyghur genocide, and crisis pregnancy counseling. No one can argue against that. This might sound easy, but it also would mean abstaining from critiquing people like Russell Moore, Beth Moore, and all those bad seminary profs.
So what do SBC conservatives want? Power or purity?
The conservatives in the United Methodist Church exercised a similar strategy -- how has it worked for them?
God calls His people to be faithful, not successful (if they have to choose between the two).
@@gregb6469 I don't disagree. But the question is how do you define faithful? Always denouncing CRT? Denouncing it once and then moving on? Just sticking to expository preaching and ignoring bad political fads? I think it's a judgment call.
@@theelizabethan1 Do you think the conservative resurgence in the SBC was genuine or superficial? How do you compare it with the UMC strategy?
@Blue Moan I totally agree with you. But as pastors, we have a limited amount of time and words to use. What percentage do we give to reacting to social issues? When do those issues stop dictating our primary focus? At it's core, it's an issue of emphasis for me. If I make it about God's word, I make social issues secondary or tertiary. And I think an SBC leader who wants to do that might have some success.
Love Dr. Fuller! Took OT with him at SBTS.
Is there a way to donate money for scholarships for Russell Fuller's seminary?
Brother Harris, thank you for your work. Those who want to remain in 'communion' with the SBC need to be forced to interact with (1) Kingdom of God theology (2) Baptist historical theology (3) Separatism theology and then they will loose any valid, logical reasons for remaining in the SBC. Can you cover something like this?
Dr Fuller is superb! Thank God for faithful men! I wish I would’ve had him when I went to seminary. But I hopefully will be able to audit some of his classes.
JD Greer is Obama of the SBC
Dr. Fuller is a Super-Fantastic, very knowledgeable teacher. Sign up for at least one class.
What would it take to force an independent audit of the SBC's books?
Wow… just, wow. Spiritual discernment and Christ-centered backbone. Rare combination these days.
Nailed the issues... How long until we put the nail in it? And do we put it in the door or in the coffin?
What happened regarding firing? What are the issues?
Wow, I hope to serve under THAT man in the millennial kingdom!
Amen! By Christ alone, grace alone, faith alone
Where you were talking about the 26 and 27 min. mark of the video sounds like Mormonism in how they view Christ as not God at all. If Christ is only partially God He is not God at all.
Excellent program. Loved hearing Dr. Fuller's take on SBC21. I am interested to know, though, why his local church is apparently staying with the SBC? Are they planning to pull out? If not, why would Dr. Fuller stay with that local church?
With my pastor retiring soon, I may have to leave. I have already left one church. I have designated my offerings so that nothing goes to the SBC or the KBC (Kentucky Baptist Convention). My current church is not woke nor following the trends of the SBC. However, I do know that my future in the SBC is in doubt. I am still struggling to decide whether to continue the fight or get out. I like to be in the fight, but I am not sure that if the orthodox win, the Convention can stay on course. The liberals will simply become "conservative" as they did after the conservative resurgence.
@@fuller985 Thank you for clarifying. You're in a tough spot. I do commend you for your courage and integrity in leaving the seminary you taught in for so many years, and your former church, and now apparently the possibility of having to do it again.
I am moved by the way the Lord has taken care of you in unexpected ways after taking these bold steps.
In God's providence we'll look back at these litany of sufferings to see that they were all a momentary light affliction, producing for us an eternal weight of glory far beyond all comparison.
@@fuller985 it even if one designates, if others give that way, you’re still a part of it ... the body is still giving to enable it .
And qualifies the male !
Adulterating the gospel
You reference a document dump at Enemies Within the Church. Can you post a link? All i can find by that name on the net is a site about the church in Naples- no links other than movie info- is this correct and how do you find the documents?
Struck by the idea that if remote voting had been possible, the outcome may have been different. ( expense of attending was limiting)
Similar to Democratic Party’s desire to make voting accessible to hourly workers in lower income category.
Anyone:
1. Please explain to me how the Southern Baptist Convention leadership is any different than the Roman Catholics and;
2. Please explain to me how The Great Requirement is not the same justification/sanctification conflation that the Reformation corrected.
The SBC leadership is different because they wear suits, not fancy robes.
@@gregb6469 You win.
@Blue Moan I saw that, too. Leftist tactics all the way. Flame and slander people while accusing them of flaming and slandering.
The SBC is a dumpster fire in a cesspool. Ichabod.
Great questions. Requires one to really think about things. Also, one has to come to the conclusion that we've gone backwards and now imitate that which needs to be destroyed.
Yes, Online classes do have tremendous potential! We are overseas doing the very same thing online to Chinese churches all around the world! Thanks to covid! God uses all things to accomplish His purposes!
Love the way he explained the gospel! (At 30 + minutes into it.)
Dr. Fuller's Hebrew grammar is indeed excellent.
I first took Hebrew over 20 years ago at Southeastern in the master's program. I have obtained close ten grammars over the years, for sermon preparation and teaching. My experience using this grammar over the past year has been great. I really like his system. Dr. Fuller is extremely professional. I was so impressed with the way he dressed for his office hours. This guy is a class act. He takes these classes just as seriously as he did at Southern.
Does anyone know what church Russell Fuller attends? It sounds like a good church and we live in the Louisville area and are looking for one.
Is it time for a new convention that is really faithful to keeping a Biblical statement of faith? Lets do it.
Wow. A lot of people's theology is flexible due to money...🔥💣
This is so disheartening the state of the church body in the US is disturbing. Hearing what some of these “pastors” push in complete opposition to the bible really makes me feel that we need a new convention all together that will push against the ways of the world with no compromise.
Does Dr Fuller really believe designate funds go where they are supposed to? With the transparency problem how do we know?
He is talking about your local church. Those (should!) be easier to track and hold accountable. Go talk to your church leaders and open up the books.
@@megofiachra3247 but it's smoke and mirrors you designating your money just releases money with no designated requirements to go to the SBC.. only works if everyone designates.
@@MumT05 yeah, true! I understand that.
The 40% vote was 1) the slander against Stone 2)some people still think Mohler is trustworthy (although that number is lower) 3) the staff paid to vote by NAMB
Agreed, now how are we to hope such strategies will not continue to be effective in upcoming years. Greear was already pretty offensive to those who are paying attention. The heresy in NAMB is not newly discovered, this has been documented a couple years I think at this point. The attention of the general public on CRT has never been greater. Given all these conditions the messengers still were easily tricked. Why should we hope the situation is better in the future ? The more I think about it, the more clear it is time to leave the SBC and keep money local and mission funds targeted.
@@jamescook5617 it is certainly something we all have to consider and seek the Lord's direction. I would say that many true conservatives will pull out, which weakens the amount of people there to fight. I am considering our next steps and how to proceed
29:45 🔥
Is the donate button to help preachers that have trouble paying? Or is that to just keep cost down. Because the prices are good, under 1/4 cost of seminary class
I’m in!
The great apostasy ...no surprise. The Holy Spirit was removed and the void is filling. Time to read and do the red letter words of the Lord Jesus...go back to the beginning.
Does anyone have any good resources or articles pertaining to what is happening in the PCA and these same issues?
thank you dr. fuller. is there a mailing address for dr. fuller?
Are all Southern Babtist Churches affiliated with Southern Babtist Convention?
Yes. Being affiliated with the SBC is what makes a church Southern Baptist. But that does not mean all Baptist churches in the southern states are SBC; quite a few are either affiliated with other Baptist groups, or are independent.
Nice, I love it when my FB friends get together for podcasting.
yes I'm bragging
Part of the problem is folks’ misapplication of Scripture, trying to put believers today under the Law, any law, some law. We were never under the Law and never will be. The Law was for Israel, not us in this age of grace alone. We must rid our verbiage of today + “the Law.” It seems the most difficult task of Christians throughout the centuries is fighting the pride of placing some work on the Gospel. Believe. Nothing else.
They're not saying you can't be saved without the Great Requirement, they are saying once you are saved you then need to adopt the leftist platform to obey the full gospel.
Yeah that’s not accurate.
What exactly do you think The Gospel is?
@Blue Moan I see what you are saying, but it doesn't make sense historically or politically to call the left "Nazis." You can criticize the Nazis, but they were fighting the revolutionary leftist communists and anarchists.
Leftists did the same thing in the USSR--they oppressed the native population and Christians. Compare them to their forbears on the left. They are leftist authoritarians.
By calling them "Nazis," you are feeding their narrative that diminishes the left's historical and present crimes, as well as feeding the idea that Nazis are the problem in 2021.
@@zerospacer ah! I understand.
Here is the rub though. By saying CRT is part of The Gospel, does that not mean it is also part of our salvation?
Video opens, pans to a burning dumpster, video closes..
The Scriptures has warned us about our CONUNDRUM. Being a Pastor is not a status symbol, it is a responsibility to ADONAI, Pastor are held accountable to the Gospel of the SON YESHUA HAMASHIACH . If you do not seek the HOLY SPIRIT for Wisdom, Truth, Modesty, Meekness, Grace, Equanimity, and Humility to proclaim the word in season, and out of season. Pastor, and Teachers will be judged by a Tougher Standard, so one should with fear, and trembling approach Pastoring, and Teaching. Pastoring, and Teaching is not a Picnic in the Park. The word of ADONAI is precious, it is becoming dormant in the body of YESHUA HAMASHIACH, the bride of YESHUA HAMASHIACH. The Glory of ADONAI is moving, and beginning to check out of presence of many believers of YESHUA HAMASHIACH. The grieving, and quenching of the HOLY SPIRIT is not a good thing at all. But ADONAI is about to expose many in HIS assembly. He is in control, HE is on the throne, He is seeking, stirring, and wooing individuals who need HIS guidance, leadership, engineering, steering, and piloting. Lean on the EVERLASTING 💪 of ADONAI, great is HIS faithfulness, HE will not abandon, forsake, leave us lonely, or orphan. Oh ADONAI , what is the next move, and action ? IMMANUEL, EL ROI 👁👁 👀 our 💚🖤 . HE 👂👂👂👂our 🧠 . We must become transparent, courageous, authentic with our SACRIFICE, SALVATION, SAVIOUR, and Sar SHALOM. The SON YESHUA HAMASHIACH did not become flesh, dwelt among us, died, was buried, rose, ascended into heaven for our selfishness. The HOLY SPIRIT is not here to play our parlor games, and power plays, or power grab. Decay is a good word to use here. De = From, Cadere = Fall. Decidere = Fall Down or Off . There is alot of Christian who have never been Lost, or Repentant. Many are like the Unrepentant Thief on his cross. That is a sad place to be. 🙏✝️⚓🛐🤲. The 🕯💡has not gone out. The HOLY SPIRIT is still moving throughout the body 🤝💯🌪♨️🔥 . Thank You Very Much ADONAI for the Grace YOU have dispense to Russell T. Fuller. Maranatha Amen ! 🌬🗣👤👥🤺 . Following EL OLAM is a Marathon, not a sprint 🚶♀️🚶♂️🏃♀️🏃♂️ . Patience is the virtue we all need.
What does NAM stand for?
North American Mission Board
NAMB
Did the comment "the great requirement" have it's roots in 2nd Lausanne conference (John Stott), liberation theology, other? Like the work of Christ is no longer sufficient? Using "faith without works is dead" and other references? His work (birth, death, resurrection) IS sufficient!
Does anyone know how much of the offerings go to the cooperative program?
SBC has been on a downward trend for some time now. I am done with it.
That depends on your church. Mine prides itself in 14 or 15 percent to the cooperative program. I am in the midst of trying to get my pastor to change course. At a minimum, I need the church to not use percentage based allocation since my marking my own giving as "not for SBC cooperative program" means little if the church just uses other people's money to fill in my gap. I am hoping my pastor looks into the controversy and sees why we cannot give to NAMB or especially SEND...
@@jamescook5617What is NAMB?
Dr. Fuller should start his own podcast...good info for laymen.
He seems to see the huge problems in the beliefs of the majority of the convention and seminary faculties and calls it "apostacy". But he doesn't do what the Bible says to do about false teaching, reject it and separate from it. He is a teacher of the Bible but not a doer of the Bible. No young person that is devoted to the truth should go to a seminary that does not teach the Bible. No pastor that loves the truth in the Bible should send their young people to a seminary like that. Don't send lambs to be taught by wolves. You need to go to the independent Baptist seminaries to find teaching that is faithful to the Bible. Trust God and leave the perceived safety of the convention.
The Bible also includes passages which indicate confronting false teaching to be an acceptable (if not desired) course of action. Remember, Jesus said to His disciples “I’m sending you out as sheep among wolves.” I see what you’re saying, but try not to be so either/or here - especially when it’s more wise to accept the both/and in this case.
Good point about the seminary presidents speaking when it comes to money
I used to think that Al Mohler was consevative. I was at Southern from 94 through 97 and the liberals (“Moderate”) hated him then.
I like this guy but the fact that he was "once" one of "them" burns a little too strong in his critism, rendering it a tad overkill . Saying that, I'm there with him right now, doing it in other areas..
Are each congregation’s “tithes” and offerings going towards funding the SBC? I hope not. How is the SBC funded?
Re: @47:10 min. mark.
My answer is: don’t answer the phone. Let it go to voicemail. I have a message on my voicemail which says if you do not leave a message you will be blocked and so I block them! If they’re legitimate they will leave a message.
I don’t remember the last time I’ve ever talk to a spammer or think it’s been years since I decided to put that message on my voicemail. But rule is never talk to someone who you don’t know who called you out of the blue - it is nearly impossible to vet them otherwise.
Traditionally the SBC doesn't have a large administrative core. The weight of the SBC remains in the congregations.
Yes, that’s how it works
Our tithes
Yes, a certain percentage goes to the SBC
So all of these churches should stop giving to the SBC and use the money they would have given to the SBC to fund their trips to Anaheim.
I had Dr McDonald for a Hebrew refresher. It was great.
What is NAM?
So sad.
"We won't be sending out missionaries, we'll be sending out anthropologists."
How do these people justify saying such things as mentioned in Dr Fuller's description as Christian leaders? It seems to go directly against Biblical teaching.
"how the mighty have fallen"
So Fuller is still a Southern Baptist right? Why? And so until they fired him he was sending out false teachers? So is he ok or not with the profs now teaching in the seminaries? Or should the faithful profs like him now resign? He was ok teaching and not urging people to leave before he was fired? Why not? Was he complicit in the false teaching? Seminaries worth saving or not? So the SBC seminaries are educating thousands of pastors a year right? So, worth saving right? Or were the seminaries worth saving the day before Fuller was fired but became not worth saving the day he was fired? Like a lever thrown like a switch? Before Fuller fired--lets fight for faithfulness. But oops! Fuller fired. Now let's cut and run and burn it all down? Hmmm. Seems a bit infantile. Lacking seriousness. Not how you would treat something that's really yours and valuable.
I’m seeing jd greers negative impact I started attending a men’s Bible study the teachers uses all of greers material to teach the class teacher votes for liberal candidates pollically speaking I’ve been at odds with with him on social issues realize now why he been listening to to Greer to much