Why buy seiko anymore, unless you have tons of money. There's a lot of micro brands that makes good quality watches for a fraction of the price. I got my 6105 Oceanica Reef for $199 and loving it
@@TheWatcherReviews The only reason I don't buy second hand Seiko divers is because of how much people mod them. I've even sold SKXs that I've had modded, and then returned to stock. Those have been done by a watchmaker and I've disclosed it in the auctions, but I'd bet there are people out there buying amateurely wrenched on watches without knowing it. Especially since they're worth so much now.
@@khabuda the mods are easily noticed, i agree with your sentiment. The modded skx will soon lose value other than that, its well worth buying 2nd hand seiko divers, you just need to know what to look for
Just get a “Seiko” watch on Wish if you want a “deal.” But you are right about people who buy Seikos having more money. But it’s pittance compared to people who buy from the big three or Rolex where the name means just about everything.
Heimdallr is clearly the better choice. Lets be honest here Seiko should had done this and should’ve been the “ New SKX” ! That’s what should had happen! Instead they went the other way and cut corners so now you have new SKX Seiko 5 that honestly I have zero interests in ! I haven 3 Heimdallr SLA017 , SLA024 and the first version of the Heimdallr SKX in Green ! Love all 3 of them
I agree 100% but Heimdallr only exists because of Seiko. Seiko are more corporate with a global presence and invest in marketing etc. Similar to the European car market, optional extras etc. Heimdallr is small but brings excellent value to the end user. Heimdallr is the better watch $ for $
It's like Rolex withholding guarantees from customers, it's just not on! If Rolex sell their watch at a certain price that should be it, it's nothing to do with Rolex what happens to their watches after that. If someone smashes a Rolex, Rolex don't then say thats our watch we will repair it for free, or that's our watch we will service it for free. It's kind of similar with Seiko, if people still buy Rolex's without guarantees and people still buy inferior Seiko's for grossly inflated prices then these company's will keep ripping us off! Vote with your dollar and buy good value watches like Heimdallr, San Martin, Steeldive etc.
I agree with you. Seiko took out skx and gave seiko fans a 5kx which is a watered version of skx, except to a 4r36 movement, an upgrade from 7s26. However, depth rating from 200M to a 100M is unacceptable, and various colors like street fighter stuffs made me think about Invictas-suck and their flame fusion is suckers. These microbrand watches know the niche needs of a consumers. I just got my capt willard steeldive watch and i am so impressed about the quality and specs of this watch. Even a seasoned classic vintage seiko/bulova collector is also impressed with the quality of the watch.
I think a great test would have been if he had popped off both bezels and switched them. It would speak volumes about the interchangeability and fit of mod parts since so many mods center around the bezel and crystal.
I own a Seiko SKX which I love, but at the same time realise that it is technically a poor watch. I have a yellow Heimdallr SKX on the way, and already own two other Heimdallr watches. The Heimdallr was £136, and a new Seiko SKX is about £350. The lume and case finishing are about the same, but every other aspect of the Heimdallr is far superior.All that said, ask many watch enthusiasts which is the better, and they will reply Seiko, but with no reason why
these chinese watches are objectively better yet cheaper, but seiko deserves the respect for coming up with these iconic designs. nothing beats the feeling of having the iconic seiko version of the original watch, even if the specs on the heimdallr is better. that being said, i personally wouldn't pay the premium for seiko, but i understand why some might. i think seiko deserves to move up market for how many good designs they've put out, if they get their QC in order and provide a bit more value.
@@flectz let us not forget a great deal of Seiko's watches and parts are also produced in China. Of course, hats off to their design department, albeit they are now homaging their own watches.
I agree. There's a point where you cross some line and it's no longer an original SKX or whatever. Straps don't count, but the movement, crystal... For better or worse, when you buy an SKX for what it is, you're accepting that it has a 7S26 and Hardlex.
J model Seiko SKXs can be had all day long for around 200 GBP on a rubber strap out here in Dubai. Not sure about the value increase in them really, they are still very plentiful. I do like this Heimdallr however and was thinking of getting an orange one. They look great.
From what I gather nowadays you can make one "original" SKX like yours fairly easily. Unless there is that kanagawa back on withh all the serial numbers and the original movement matching, I consider all "original" skx as good as a bunch of aftermarket parts put together. An original OEM skx dial in a seiko package, sealed can be found for around £20 quid, original hands at about 25quid... even original 7s26 movements can be found easily and cheaply, as most people though "upgrade!" The back with the kanagawa, with all the serial numbers thats another story... by the way, the sides of the case directly at 9 and 3 on the original skx with the original bezel can be seen fairly easily when looked dead straight, as the original case curves wider. On the aftermarkets one you can barely see the sides, its all hiding behind the bezel. Aftermarket cases have less metal there.
I just picked up the Heimdallr Willard. Under $200 Canadian landed. Here in Vancouver Canada if you go to an AD you’ll pay $1750 (MSRP) plus taxes for basically the same watch. Obviously the Seiko has history but definitely not worth the price Seiko is asking.
So the Seiko was stated to be bought unmodded. Then it's stated that the Seiko was bought modded with a new glass, new movement and what appears to be a new clasp. Then he states he modded the Seiko after purchase to change the second hand. Then he goes into a diatribe about how over modded Seiko SKX with a new movement are no longer SKXs. Then he says despite this that the treble modded Seiko in hand is a true SKX. Then he wants to compare it with a Heimdaller SKX homage. Yeah this makes sense, quite rational. What then is the point of the comparison? At what point did logic flee from this verbal perambulation?
Lmaoooooo mate very fare criticism, i didn't even think that tbh, i did that review like 3 yrs ago and just reading your comment has made me crack up. Fair point mate , brilliant! 😂
@@TheWatcherReviews I mean I get it. As a watch enthusiast who likes to save money I get excited by comparison videos between the OG watch and the newly released homage. Thats why I pay close attention. But when the video isn't an apples to apples dissection of the two watches I want to throw my phone across the room. I'm a big fan of Chinese watches and I love how they're revealing true VFM in comparison to the "heritage" brands.
Good video. Great comparison.. Good to see those two together. I think the size of the dial/ face looks different because of the crystal edge distortion. I only have the Heimdallr and I'm disappointed with how sharp all of the edges are, the 12 o'clock pip and the bracelet especially. Is the Seiko the same?
Great comparison I’m totally going with the homage and modeling it. But I do like that display case back you have on yours, what model is that/where did you get it?
While I agree that the Heimdallr is much better value I just can't stand the shark logo. I have the same problem with the San Martin logo too. Being a bit pedantic I know but I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Thank you for the great video. Dear friend, please tell me is the protrusions near the crown of Heimdallr are rubbing your hand? They're sharper than the original 007. Thank you.
@@TheWatcherReviews Haven't seen that one. Interesting colour scheme by the sounds. Is "shirryu" the parent company of Heimdallr, San Martin, SteelDive and maybe others? Be cool to see some background on them.
1. don't keep it stock just because ''it'll be more collectable in 10 years''. It's a budget tool watch not a Rolex lmao nobody has these as a 10-year investment. Do with it what you want. 2. don't tell people to put Seiko logos on non-Seiko watches. That's technically illegal if they end up selling it, along with being poor taste.
everything becomes collectable in time. Rolex used to be a tool watch in a few decades ago as well. Even clean, unmodded 90s honda civics are highly sought after nowadays and demand quite a premium. nobody would've thought that 10 years ago.
@@flectz don't be silly, most things don't become collectable. If you're that bothered about the value of something after 20 years, make proper investments in the stock market etc. Those returns will annihilate any profits off a 20 year old tool that was baby'd.
@@flectz You can buy J models on rubber straps for the equivalent of 200 GBP out here in Dubai. Still very plentiful, not sure when or if there is ever going to be a price rise. Check the prices of 70s Seikos on EBay...
I have to disagree with you, if you change anything at all on an SKX 007, or any watch, even be it just a ceramic bezel, then it's no longer stock, It can't be! If I put a V6 engine in a MK 1 Cortina and change nothing else, yes, it looks and is recognizable as a MK 1 Cortina but no way is it stock! There's nothing wrong with modding an SKX to be a better watch, who wouldn't want hacking and hand winding, who wouldn't want a Sapphire crystal and a ceramic bezel? It's your watch, have it the way you want it but it ain't stock! 😉 I have a Heimdallr Orange monster because I won't pay inflated Seiko prices these days. Power to Heimdallr, San Martin, Steeldive etc decent speced watches at decent prices! 👍
It's exactly why I keep all my watches unmodded, all original and even tho homages sometimes have better specs, I prefer to spend a bit more and get the original because it will always hold value, homages won't.
Why buy seiko anymore, unless you have tons of money. There's a lot of micro brands that makes good quality watches for a fraction of the price. I got my 6105 Oceanica Reef for $199 and loving it
I always buy 2nd hand and I've always paid around 50% - 70% of the 2nd hand market value. I.e that skx cost me the same as the brand new heimdallr
@@TheWatcherReviews i do too. None of my watches were purchased new.
@@TheWatcherReviews The only reason I don't buy second hand Seiko divers is because of how much people mod them. I've even sold SKXs that I've had modded, and then returned to stock. Those have been done by a watchmaker and I've disclosed it in the auctions, but I'd bet there are people out there buying amateurely wrenched on watches without knowing it. Especially since they're worth so much now.
@@khabuda the mods are easily noticed, i agree with your sentiment. The modded skx will soon lose value other than that, its well worth buying 2nd hand seiko divers, you just need to know what to look for
Just get a “Seiko” watch on Wish if you want a “deal.” But you are right about people who buy Seikos having more money. But it’s pittance compared to people who buy from the big three or Rolex where the name means just about everything.
As an old wrench head I agree with your sentiment on box stock vs modded. the Heimdallr is the true value piece, IMO.
Heimdallr is clearly the better choice. Lets be honest here Seiko should had done this and should’ve been the “ New SKX” ! That’s what should had happen! Instead they went the other way and cut corners so now you have new SKX Seiko 5 that honestly I have zero interests in ! I haven 3 Heimdallr SLA017 , SLA024 and the first version of the Heimdallr SKX in Green ! Love all 3 of them
I agree 100% but Heimdallr only exists because of Seiko. Seiko are more corporate with a global presence and invest in marketing etc. Similar to the European car market, optional extras etc.
Heimdallr is small but brings excellent value to the end user. Heimdallr is the better watch $ for $
It's like Rolex withholding guarantees from customers, it's just not on! If Rolex sell their watch at a certain price that should be it, it's nothing to do with Rolex what happens to their watches after that.
If someone smashes a Rolex, Rolex don't then say thats our watch we will repair it for free, or that's our watch we will service it for free. It's kind of similar with Seiko, if people still buy Rolex's without guarantees and people still buy inferior Seiko's for grossly inflated prices then these company's will keep ripping us off!
Vote with your dollar and buy good value watches like Heimdallr, San Martin, Steeldive etc.
I agree with you. Seiko took out skx and gave seiko fans a 5kx which is a watered version of skx, except to a 4r36 movement, an upgrade from 7s26. However, depth rating from 200M to a 100M is unacceptable, and various colors like street fighter stuffs made me think about Invictas-suck and their flame fusion is suckers. These microbrand watches know the niche needs of a consumers. I just got my capt willard steeldive watch and i am so impressed about the quality and specs of this watch. Even a seasoned classic vintage seiko/bulova collector is also impressed with the quality of the watch.
I agree 100% you get safire cristal, better moviment than some skx watches, better baracelet, for much less money.
@@TheWatcherReviews i agree seiko is the original deal, but why would you spend more to get less. It's not like seiko is rolex
Totally agree with the car/watch idea, stock unmolested examples definitely hold value long term.
Holy crown! I like it, I need to find one of those. Great comparison! I fully plan to go the heimdallr route very soon.
Before this video I would have never given green a second look but now that watch to me looks sick 💪🏼
Great review 👍🏼
I think a great test would have been if he had popped off both bezels and switched them. It would speak volumes about the interchangeability and fit of mod parts since so many mods center around the bezel and crystal.
They aren't interchangeable. The Heimdallr uses the single wire (Rolex style) click spring system while the Seiko uses the flat spring system.
I own a Seiko SKX which I love, but at the same time realise that it is technically a poor watch. I have a yellow Heimdallr SKX on the way, and already own two other Heimdallr watches. The Heimdallr was £136, and a new Seiko SKX is about £350. The lume and case finishing are about the same, but every other aspect of the Heimdallr is far superior.All that said, ask many watch enthusiasts which is the better, and they will reply Seiko, but with no reason why
I guess their reason is the same old 'homages are fakes' argument. It's the ego speaking quite frankly.
these chinese watches are objectively better yet cheaper, but seiko deserves the respect for coming up with these iconic designs. nothing beats the feeling of having the iconic seiko version of the original watch, even if the specs on the heimdallr is better. that being said, i personally wouldn't pay the premium for seiko, but i understand why some might. i think seiko deserves to move up market for how many good designs they've put out, if they get their QC in order and provide a bit more value.
@@flectz let us not forget a great deal of Seiko's watches and parts are also produced in China. Of course, hats off to their design department, albeit they are now homaging their own watches.
I agree. There's a point where you cross some line and it's no longer an original SKX or whatever. Straps don't count, but the movement, crystal... For better or worse, when you buy an SKX for what it is, you're accepting that it has a 7S26 and Hardlex.
Excellent comparison...Liked and subscribed..
I ordered a Heimdallr SKX a week ago hoping to mod it to look more like an original skx007 since they are way overpriced atm.
I prever the Heimdallr (logo) above the Seiko and is not overpriced
Agree 100%, I’m keeping my 009 stock. I’ll mod with the heimdallr.
J model Seiko SKXs can be had all day long for around 200 GBP on a rubber strap out here in Dubai. Not sure about the value increase in them really, they are still very plentiful. I do like this Heimdallr however and was thinking of getting an orange one. They look great.
My SKX is completely stock and the bezel aligns perfectly. Your SKX looks amazing but I can't see a true reason why they mod it.
From what I gather nowadays you can make one "original" SKX like yours fairly easily. Unless there is that kanagawa back on withh all the serial numbers and the original movement matching, I consider all "original" skx as good as a bunch of aftermarket parts put together. An original OEM skx dial in a seiko package, sealed can be found for around £20 quid, original hands at about 25quid... even original 7s26 movements can be found easily and cheaply, as most people though "upgrade!" The back with the kanagawa, with all the serial numbers thats another story... by the way, the sides of the case directly at 9 and 3 on the original skx with the original bezel can be seen fairly easily when looked dead straight, as the original case curves wider. On the aftermarkets one you can barely see the sides, its all hiding behind the bezel. Aftermarket cases have less metal there.
Wish i had a 6 inch wrist, mine is 7.5 and the 007 is just too small
I just picked up the Heimdallr Willard. Under $200 Canadian landed. Here in Vancouver Canada if you go to an AD you’ll pay $1750 (MSRP) plus taxes for basically the same watch. Obviously the Seiko has history but definitely not worth the price Seiko is asking.
I completely agree about mods
So the Seiko was stated to be bought unmodded. Then it's stated that the Seiko was bought modded with a new glass, new movement and what appears to be a new clasp. Then he states he modded the Seiko after purchase to change the second hand. Then he goes into a diatribe about how over modded Seiko SKX with a new movement are no longer SKXs. Then he says despite this that the treble modded Seiko in hand is a true SKX. Then he wants to compare it with a Heimdaller SKX homage. Yeah this makes sense, quite rational. What then is the point of the comparison? At what point did logic flee from this verbal perambulation?
Lmaoooooo mate very fare criticism, i didn't even think that tbh, i did that review like 3 yrs ago and just reading your comment has made me crack up. Fair point mate , brilliant! 😂
@@TheWatcherReviews I mean I get it. As a watch enthusiast who likes to save money I get excited by comparison videos between the OG watch and the newly released homage. Thats why I pay close attention. But when the video isn't an apples to apples dissection of the two watches I want to throw my phone across the room. I'm a big fan of Chinese watches and I love how they're revealing true VFM in comparison to the "heritage" brands.
Does the heimdalr bracelet fit on the seiko?
Good video. Great comparison.. Good to see those two together. I think the size of the dial/ face looks different because of the crystal edge distortion.
I only have the Heimdallr and I'm disappointed with how sharp all of the edges are, the 12 o'clock pip and the bracelet especially. Is the Seiko the same?
The Seiko is a touch refined, smoother
@@TheWatcherReviews cool thanks
Great comparison I’m totally going with the homage and modeling it. But I do like that display case back you have on yours, what model is that/where did you get it?
How's the chapter ring alignment on the Heimdallr? Is it aligned better than the Seiko SKX007 one?
While I agree that the Heimdallr is much better value I just can't stand the shark logo. I have the same problem with the San Martin logo too. Being a bit pedantic I know but I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Thank you for the great video.
Dear friend, please tell me is the protrusions near the crown of Heimdallr are rubbing your hand? They're sharper than the original 007. Thank you.
Yes they are but they made a newer version which the guards are shorter
@@TheWatcherReviews thank You very much! Can You give me a link to a newer version?
They dont have the older version in production anymore
@@TheWatcherReviews, thank you very much for a great help!
If you change the dial of a non Seiko watch to a Seiko branded one, I think what you get is a fake :/ Embrace the Sharkey! :)
You worded it very politely, would use a few less polite words to describe someone that slaps a branded dial on the homage version of that watch.
"This is a stock Seiko"
Moments later: "I've done these mods to it"
🤣 A mod is a mod.
Is their older homage still compatible with mod parts?
Some good advice. Do you think anyone will do a monster homage?
Its funny you ask that, heimdallr are going to release a monster homage very soon. Cant wait to get my hands on it.
@@TheWatcherReviews Just ordered my first Heimdallr . Sumo with the Ltd edition wave off Kanagawa face. Would love a couple of monster homages.
@@JohnSmith-ip2ed I want to order the sumo homage in the green and purple. The only thing preventing me is the 'shirryu' on the dial
@@TheWatcherReviews Haven't seen that one. Interesting colour scheme by the sounds. Is "shirryu" the parent company of Heimdallr, San Martin, SteelDive and maybe others? Be cool to see some background on them.
Heimdallr is launching it very soon AFAIK
A little smaller and thinner looking? I’ll take the skx... it’s how much more? I’ll take the knockoff...
In short, that isn't an SKX
1. don't keep it stock just because ''it'll be more collectable in 10 years''. It's a budget tool watch not a Rolex lmao nobody has these as a 10-year investment. Do with it what you want.
2. don't tell people to put Seiko logos on non-Seiko watches. That's technically illegal if they end up selling it, along with being poor taste.
everything becomes collectable in time. Rolex used to be a tool watch in a few decades ago as well. Even clean, unmodded 90s honda civics are highly sought after nowadays and demand quite a premium. nobody would've thought that 10 years ago.
@@flectz don't be silly, most things don't become collectable. If you're that bothered about the value of something after 20 years, make proper investments in the stock market etc. Those returns will annihilate any profits off a 20 year old tool that was baby'd.
@@flectz You can buy J models on rubber straps for the equivalent of 200 GBP out here in Dubai. Still very plentiful, not sure when or if there is ever going to be a price rise. Check the prices of 70s Seikos on EBay...
I have to disagree with you, if you change anything at all on an SKX 007, or any watch, even be it just a ceramic bezel, then it's no longer stock, It can't be!
If I put a V6 engine in a MK 1 Cortina and change nothing else, yes, it looks and is recognizable as a MK 1 Cortina but no way is it stock! There's nothing wrong with modding an SKX to be a better watch, who wouldn't want hacking and hand winding, who wouldn't want a Sapphire crystal and a ceramic bezel? It's your watch, have it the way you want it but it ain't stock! 😉 I have a Heimdallr Orange monster because I won't pay inflated Seiko prices these days. Power to Heimdallr, San Martin, Steeldive etc decent speced watches at decent prices! 👍
If it was me ide buy that SKX007 but they both look good / nice
It's exactly why I keep all my watches unmodded, all original and even tho homages sometimes have better specs, I prefer to spend a bit more and get the original because it will always hold value, homages won't.
Brummie by any chance mate?
All day everyday!
What happened to the trailer?
The intro is only for the original series Smljeffy1273
How is the lume?
Brilliant. Bright and long lasting
@@TheWatcherReviews thanks for the info
What bracelet is that please on the skx?
Oyster
@@TheWatcherReviews I mean what brand please?
I think it was a cheap generic one from ebay or aftermarket
@@TheWatcherReviews thanks, I just didn’t wanna buy one & it not fit right.
Heimdallr skx nh34😅
Naa dude..
daft comparison
It’s not at all! Very helpful guy.