Many of the videos out there discuss hand position before and during approach. This is the first one to discuss anything about the actual hand position at release. Between this one and grip at release, it goes a LONG way to helping my game. Recommending this to all my bowling friends.
~ For the no thumb bowlers~ I don't use a thumb and I bowl one handed, so using the same concept of thumb position I change the position of my pointer finger or pinky and sometimes both if needed to be more aggressive down lane.
that is very helpful! now i need to practice the mechanics of the different releases. i have a pretty low axis tilt naturally, so my ball doesnt hook much
JR, I see that you change your fingers exit angle in relation to swing direction. This is easy to do when you are bowling and pro shop work. The concept is maybe a bit tough to grasp for less advanced bowlers. I have a good idea what you teach with this video. My bckgrd of bowling goes numbering 53 years. I truly appreciate your showing the tricks you learned and applying them on the lane. Kudos!
Yeah, this is where I get confused too. I get your thumb being at 9 or 10:00 at release, but how are you holding the ball at setup? Like are you you supposed to put your thumb at this position at the start and try to maintain it all the way through the swing, or do you start with your thumb in a position to where you have to rotate your hand at the bottom to get to that 9:00?
@@booze1903 I'm no "expert" in this matter. But from slowing down the video. He has his thumb pointing towards his target. Which I would guess is around the 1 o'clock area, and at release is when he rotates to 9-11 o'clock.
Same Ptoblem here.... do i have to rotate my Hand? And when i have too... when do i have to turn my hand. And: first Thumb out, or first Hand rotation?
I totally agree with this teaching and I have bowled many years, avg 190 to 206 and I throw a lot of tilt. I taught my sons this method and they don't have much tilt. The question here is, Can one persons ten O clock feel different than another persons 10 O clock? I believe the answer is yes. A lot of times as with many sports, what feels like text book, might not actually be textbook. In this sport and with other sports our bodies want to do what's easiest for us to do, and our mind will tell us, yep, that's it , you go it. Hogan the golfer wrote a book on things to do in the swing, later with modern technology they analyzed him and found he didn't do a lot of what he wrote. But they believe he was writing what it felt like. I want to change my release in bowling, get more axis rotation, I can drive my thumb at 10 o clock all day long, and still my roll doesn't change from a spinner. Why? Because there are other factors that lead up to doing this right, the swing, the timing, how low you get, the strength of your wrist to stay under etc. Even though this teaching is right it's just one element that is needed, if other elements are missing, then your with me. LOL Any thoughts JR?
At what position of hand and the address for the ten pin alone ? I tried to used the 1200 hand position ,start about 35 board left and aim across the forth right arrow . Alot of times the ball would hook just right before tenth pin. I am very frustrated about missing the tenth pin. Any advice ? Maybe JR could show on how to pick the tenth pin video.
Is your delivery spinner or semi roller? I have spinner release. I cannot make semi roller track. I can make semi roller track only with back up release, but when is 42 feet oiling the ball goes just streight, no hook and no roll to go to pocket. How to get semi roller delivery. I tried to use ring finger domain when I release, hand and palm streigt or little to right ( right handed) Not succes yet.
I bowl once a week and had our sweeps last Saturday. Lanes were so dry and my ball always end on the high side. My thumb position is at 3 and end up at 12 at release. Is there any other recourse besides the hand positions, a symmetric ball and moving further left? Love your videos.
Very nice video but the drill and weight blocks - there are thumb weights, leverage weights, pin in, pin out etc to meet your needs. Thumb weight gets it into an early roll and less flare regardless of release - likely to roll out unless the lanes are very slick - like the first shot - while as others skid the balls further and flare it with stronger back ends - thus the drill of the ball is a good percentage in play as well as your release. It all comes together.
Very. Interesting observation. I really wish it could be shown in slow motion. I also note that growing up, the suit case was taught. Modern bowling and the high performance of these balls seem to dictate these changes. I guess there is a “ feel “ to this and that is what needs to be developed. I know it does not work for all, but the theory of it makes sense......
I never knew about this. A most interesting concept. I can see where it would improve the scoring. I am learning how to string strikes, but somehow I lose it. This video makes sense with the different thumb releases. I assume all of this going on in a small window of time at the “ bottom “ of the swing. I also notice that the modern game requires the hand pass the foul line to effect rotational speed. I never paid attention to this before.
What should be the weight ideally like heavier or lighter one to hook the ball and the speed to be release ?? When I tried spinning with heavier with full speed I didn't have any rotation on the ball.... And also tell me is it thumb finger to release First then middle finger to follow up with a rotation on hand ??
Ideally, it depends on your body weight, size, and strength. But keep this in mind, the heavier the ball, the harder it is for pins to deflect your ball (which is a good thing). Most of my teammates also all roll 15lbs so that may be the desired weight but more importantly it's whatever you feel comfortable with. Having your own ball with a custom drill also has an impact on how heavy the ball feels in your hand. When trying to hook the ball you want the thumb to exit the ball first and the fingers after will dictate revolutions. Hope this helps.
@@reneg2213 Most important thing is to get ball weight that isn't to heavy, or to light. As both can cause you bad habits, in terms of releasing the ball. With today's high performance balls, I honestly don't think ball weight matters as much. Unless throwing really light balls. Most bowlers should be fine with 13-15lb ball. I actually seen a video on this subject not to long ago, and they compared between 13-15lb balls. Same ball, just different weights, and in terms of deflection at the pins. The difference was very minor. Enough for the person who was doing the study, to say the most important thing was the bowler having a proper ball release. Which ultimately comes down to a bowler not throwing a ball to heavy, or to light. I will say I do believe deflection is an issue for balls that are to light. But when talking about balls in the 13-15lb range, don't buy a ball that feels a little to heavy for you. Just because someone told you that extra pound of weight would carry better.
So can someone help me with my arm relise I only use the ball and hold both sides of the bowling ball I use one swing and go I don't use my feet as much as the pros do
I am a 1 hand no thumb bowler new to no thumb I cannot use my thumb hence the change I am a 160 avg right now but my spare pickups are horrible and tips on controlling my hook for my style
I can release at 10 just fine but what I cant seem to figure out is how to get my arm to swing at 12 while my thumb goes 10 thumb comes out at 10 the ball wants to go that was as well🤷🏾♂️
I would say the same, please make it almost super slow and focus in on your hands, because in this video, i hear what you're saying but, visually? Nadda, can't see a thing, please redo this with that in mind, thank you so much
This concept should be added to Newton's Laws of Motion. And taught in all schools. And added to the platform of all political parties. And added by amendment to the Constitution.
Many of the videos out there discuss hand position before and during approach. This is the first one to discuss anything about the actual hand position at release. Between this one and grip at release, it goes a LONG way to helping my game. Recommending this to all my bowling friends.
For each position on the clock the thumb releases from, where is the thumb pointing as you hold the ball in the setup before you take your approach?
~ For the no thumb bowlers~
I don't use a thumb and I bowl one handed,
so using the same concept of thumb position I change the position of my pointer finger or pinky and sometimes both if needed to be more aggressive down lane.
Detroit?! Who would want to live or GO there! FYI, this guy is the best, helped my game more than anyone in the world in the last 20 years
that is very helpful! now i need to practice the mechanics of the different releases. i have a pretty low axis tilt naturally, so my ball doesnt hook much
Wow! This is really helpful info/concept which makes a lot of sense. I cannot wait to try this.
JR,
I see that you change your fingers exit angle in relation to swing direction. This is easy to do when you are bowling and pro shop work. The concept is maybe a bit tough to grasp for less advanced bowlers. I have a good idea what you teach with this video. My bckgrd of bowling goes numbering 53 years. I truly appreciate your showing the tricks you learned and applying them on the lane. Kudos!
Wow I literally watching this video while resting between games and this improve my release greatly 👌
Whoa, another revelation on ball control! Thank you JR!
This is perfect. Can’t wait to put this is practice!
Awesome best explanation of proper release that I have seen thanks JR
Another excellent video with simple easy to understand tips on how to change your ball reaction... 🎳
Years ago, Ron Clifton, put out a document that also showed finger layouts and how they will change ball reaction.
Any tips for a back-up bowler currently making the switch to conventional hook? I would love any advice I could be given.
Nice video JR! Was working on this today with my pro shop guy. Definitely a video that’s useful for all players! 🎳🎳
Can you make a video showing your thumb at 1:00, etc? Otherwise good video.
Amazing video as always. My only question is how could I apply this method to two handed style?
How do you keep your hand on the inside of the ball and have younthumb at 9 o clock
I'm trying this Friday or Saturday before league on Sunday
Which side should be the thumb inward or outward?
does this mean that when you are at the starting position you are starting with the thumb pointed at nine o clock or do u change it in the backswing
Yeah, this is where I get confused too. I get your thumb being at 9 or 10:00 at release, but how are you holding the ball at setup? Like are you you supposed to put your thumb at this position at the start and try to maintain it all the way through the swing, or do you start with your thumb in a position to where you have to rotate your hand at the bottom to get to that 9:00?
@@booze1903 I'm no "expert" in this matter. But from slowing down the video. He has his thumb pointing towards his target. Which I would guess is around the 1 o'clock area, and at release is when he rotates to 9-11 o'clock.
Same Ptoblem here.... do i have to rotate my Hand? And when i have too... when do i have to turn my hand.
And: first Thumb out, or first Hand rotation?
I totally agree with this teaching and I have bowled many years, avg 190 to 206 and I throw a lot of tilt. I taught my sons this method and they don't have much tilt. The question here is, Can one persons ten O clock feel different than another persons 10 O clock? I believe the answer is yes. A lot of times as with many sports, what feels like text book, might not actually be textbook. In this sport and with other sports our bodies want to do what's easiest for us to do, and our mind will tell us, yep, that's it , you go it. Hogan the golfer wrote a book on things to do in the swing, later with modern technology they analyzed him and found he didn't do a lot of what he wrote. But they believe he was writing what it felt like. I want to change my release in bowling, get more axis rotation, I can drive my thumb at 10 o clock all day long, and still my roll doesn't change from a spinner. Why? Because there are other factors that lead up to doing this right, the swing, the timing, how low you get, the strength of your wrist to stay under etc. Even though this teaching is right it's just one element that is needed, if other elements are missing, then your with me. LOL Any thoughts JR?
best video on hand position i have found ...
Thanks JR. Will use them at my practice; however, too bad because all the centers are closed due to the Coronavirus. Good advice and thanks anyway.
At what position of hand and the address for the ten pin alone ? I tried to used the 1200 hand position ,start about 35 board left and aim across the forth right arrow . Alot of times the ball would hook just right before tenth pin. I am very frustrated about missing the tenth pin. Any advice ? Maybe JR could show on how to pick the tenth pin video.
Is your delivery spinner or semi roller? I have spinner release. I cannot make semi roller track. I can make semi roller track only with back up release, but when is 42 feet oiling the ball goes just streight, no hook and no roll
to go to pocket. How to get semi roller delivery. I tried to use ring finger domain when I release, hand and palm streigt or little to right ( right handed) Not succes yet.
I bowl once a week and had our sweeps last Saturday. Lanes were so dry and my ball always end on the high side. My thumb position is at 3 and end up at 12 at release. Is there any other recourse besides the hand positions, a symmetric ball and moving further left? Love your videos.
Very nice video but the drill and weight blocks - there are thumb weights, leverage weights, pin in, pin out etc to meet your needs. Thumb weight gets it into an early roll and less flare regardless of release - likely to roll out unless the lanes are very slick - like the first shot - while as others skid the balls further and flare it with stronger back ends - thus the drill of the ball is a good percentage in play as well as your release. It all comes together.
Very. Interesting observation. I really wish it could be shown in slow motion. I also note that growing up, the suit case was taught.
Modern bowling and the high performance of these balls seem to dictate these changes. I guess there is a “ feel “ to this and that is what needs to be developed. I know it does not work for all, but the theory of it makes sense......
12, 1, 2, 3pm for a lefty
I never knew about this. A most interesting concept. I can see where it would improve the scoring. I am learning how to string strikes, but somehow I lose it. This video makes sense with the different thumb releases. I assume all of this going on in a small window of time at the “ bottom “ of the swing. I also notice that the modern game requires the hand pass the foul line to effect rotational speed.
I never paid attention to this before.
Would like to see this from a front view
I like the idea of the. Clock roll it is one thing I'm putting in my mind .
can u show how to flatten hand to kill hook?
What should be the weight ideally like heavier or lighter one to hook the ball and the speed to be release ??
When I tried spinning with heavier with full speed I didn't have any rotation on the ball.... And also tell me is it thumb finger to release First then middle finger to follow up with a rotation on hand ??
Ideally, it depends on your body weight, size, and strength. But keep this in mind, the heavier the ball, the harder it is for pins to deflect your ball (which is a good thing). Most of my teammates also all roll 15lbs so that may be the desired weight but more importantly it's whatever you feel comfortable with. Having your own ball with a custom drill also has an impact on how heavy the ball feels in your hand.
When trying to hook the ball you want the thumb to exit the ball first and the fingers after will dictate revolutions.
Hope this helps.
@@reneg2213 Most important thing is to get ball weight that isn't to heavy, or to light. As both can cause you bad habits, in terms of releasing the ball.
With today's high performance balls, I honestly don't think ball weight matters as much. Unless throwing really light balls. Most bowlers should be fine with 13-15lb ball.
I actually seen a video on this subject not to long ago, and they compared between 13-15lb balls. Same ball, just different weights, and in terms of deflection at the pins. The difference was very minor. Enough for the person who was doing the study, to say the most important thing was the bowler having a proper ball release. Which ultimately comes down to a bowler not throwing a ball to heavy, or to light.
I will say I do believe deflection is an issue for balls that are to light. But when talking about balls in the 13-15lb range, don't buy a ball that feels a little to heavy for you. Just because someone told you that extra pound of weight would carry better.
Excellent bowling tips. Thanks.
How do u know what size ball to bowl with?
Could you slow it down more and zoom in on your hands
JR doesn't appear to ever respond to this viewer's questions.
@@DANVIIL not true.. Carl check out his PBA slomo release video you can see what he is talking about
Nice explanation!
Doesn't this have something to do with how much "cup" in your wrist? Either more or less cup in the wrist?
Cupping and uncupping is just another way to add/manipulate the ball (add more revs or power)
So can someone help me with my arm relise I only use the ball and hold both sides of the bowling ball I use one swing and go I don't use my feet as much as the pros do
Where was the tape applied on the ball?
I am a 1 hand no thumb bowler new to no thumb I cannot use my thumb hence the change I am a 160 avg right now but my spare pickups are horrible and tips on controlling my hook for my style
I can release at 10 just fine but what I cant seem to figure out is how to get my arm to swing at 12 while my thumb goes 10 thumb comes out at 10 the ball wants to go that was as well🤷🏾♂️
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How would this work wit no thumb
Wow.. thanks Sir
Nice video! 👍
JR I believe you are saying the secret to learn is uncupping your hand so the thumb drops out and then applying force with fingers
Do you coach two handers?
Yes
@@Tenpindoctors Okay thanks, going to look into taking the online lessons
Does ball weight matter?
More weight equals more force when it hits the pins. I wouldn't go no less than a 14
What if you release at 2 clock
You will return with 3 fingers only...:-)
Yeap. Back to basics. So true.
You missed a great opportunity to show how to adjust to pick up the 10 pin. That would have helped me.
I would say the same, please make it almost super slow and focus in on your hands, because in this video, i hear what you're saying but, visually? Nadda, can't see a thing, please redo this with that in mind, thank you so much
solomon josefovits I thought it was really helpful
This concept should be added to Newton's Laws of Motion.
And taught in all schools.
And added to the platform of all political parties.
And added by amendment to the Constitution.
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Are there someone guy Who translate his words to korean? 😅
loose weight?
first!
Whoopie fucking doooo idiot
So slow and boring zzzzzzzz
You're welcome
The only person boring is you