Billy, the kid lived out a long life. He was innocent from the beginning and was a product of his environment that constantly attacked him, may he rest in peace.
Jus how 🙄do u think b.b. Roberts looks or is William h BONNEY and that he lived long life,yur as fake as Roberts, the kid without a doubt was shot n killed at FT.SUMNER his pals r buried next to him.bonney was the most wanted man in new Mexico ESPECIALLY after killing olinger and bell .im jus glad he killed CROOKED lawmen, he killed 5 or 6 enemies he took them with him and he took those lives and paid for it with only 1 death (his) not bad for a kid, he dispatched to hell all the corruption.
I love billy the kid. he is my favorite outlaw from the west. but he was far from innocent. he killed deputy bell,and Bob olinger in cold blood. and had his hand in sheriff bradys death. so innocent know. but fought for what he believed in.
@@unclejesse22546 billy became an assassin because CROOKED people, lawmen all greedy for money killed his friends. He was just a kid and when the law is unjust he took matters in his own hands,he couldnt have killed them better one with a shotgun the other with 44 or 45. Brady got it all by the regulators including billy never knew what hit him.the kid killed many and he paid with only one life and he took some with him i in his place say it's worth it.
@@LuisGomez-pg2qk yes you are telling stuff I already know. please dont believe in the movies. billy didnt become an assassin. he was just protecting himself. as for brady he had that coming because he involved him Dolan. he killed bell and bob because he was escaping. and all others because he was protecting himself. he was a killer yes but not an assassin.
@@unclejesse22546 i dont believe in movies at ALL! i go by life experience. I hope yur not dumb enough to believe he was jus gonna wait around and let himself get hung by crooked lawmen (may they burn in hell).
@@brushybret Billy's gut instincts rewarded him with a long life, and I so much look forward to the next installment in the truth series you are relating to us!
Awesome work Brett, just subscribed to your channel and always love hearing about Billy the Kid. Brushy Bills words are very true and backed up by accounts with some only known by him and the close people around him! I just returned from Lincoln County, Roswell, Ft. Summer, Ruidoso, Capitan, Lincoln, Nogal, Carrizozo, San Patricio in November of 2022, I’m from Georgia and the last time I was in southeast New Mexico was in 2006 around Roswell, Dexter and Artesia to buy some horses owned by the Bogle family. The part of the Ranch we were on used to be owned by John Chisum and later Sally Chisum until she sold it to Hal Bogle in about 1900! Thanks for telling the stories through Brushy Bill and so much great history in that area, also some the best horses in this country!
Brett, I’m always thrilled when I see another video by you… I will definitely be watching it again before the day is over… I, as always appreciate your work… truth is a beautiful thing.
Thanx for your information here.... I can't wait til you get to the part where Billy was supposed to be killed by pat Garrett... Which I still believe he escaped that shooting... And pat Garrett wanted the man he killed buried immediately.... Thanx for your intriguing information....
Frank Clifford, in his memoir (he was a friend of Siringo and he knew all these men and Billy the Kid as well), also mentioned that Garrett would always shoot someone when they didn't have a chance. He didn't seem impressed with Garrett. He also mentions the black soldiers at the McSween house as well as the piano being played when the fire was started (he gave that information to illustrate "how rich McSween was", and "So far as I knew, it was the only piano in New Mexico", but says she stopped playing when the fire got too hot). It's an interesting source.
Excellent researcher! and hopefully more will believe facts! Not fiction And the similarities of Brushy bill and the kid are more likely the one the same person!!
New sub from England i love hearing anything about Billy / Henry. i dont know if hd died way back at Garretts despicable hand or lived out knowing who he was😊😊😊.. thank you for your hard work xx
Man I always knew in my heart that billy the kid didnt die that july night in 1881. I just always felt everything was way too extra ordinary I guess would be the word id use. Any and all famous outlaws were always photographed after death. From the hurriedly burial to the accounts of garrett and poe. I honestly think garrett knew he didnt kill billy and having become friendly with the kid and having already killed 2 of billys friends to find out each time it wasnt him I think garrett understood another failed attempt at killy billy would ultimately kill any law career or political aspirations that he may have had. So I think then and there he decided to give billy a out and I think he told poe and sent word to billy to move put of the territory and never come back and to never claim to be billy the kid like a mutual agreement that each would go their separate ways and live out their lives. I think of garrett had lived longer than he did he would had finally told that he really didnt kill billy that night and instead killed someone else. Who knows why I absolutely love history always have billy the kid jesse James and the civil war are my absolute favs. I would have loved to live back then and caught a glimpse of some of these famous characters who enrich my life everyday with the stories they leave behind for us to follow and understand.
Awesome videos Brett. One thing I’ve never seen addressed is the discrepancy between historical accounts of the kid being born in NYC while Brushy Bill is reported to have been born in Buffalo Gap Texas. Has this early life discrepancy ever been explained?
Yup. According to Morrison, Billy, while in NM, said that everyone always said they were from somewhere else so he said NYC though he had never even been there. He was born in TX.
I believe two known copies of the interviews existed. The first was in the possession of Roberts' step-grandson, Bill Allison, who allowed author and historian, Frederic Bean, to listen and transcribe them. This is detailed in the following books, The Return of the Outlaw Billy the Kid, by W.C. Jameson and Frederic Bean and Billy the Kid The Lost Interviews by W.C. Jameson. According to Bean and Jameson, this copy was in terrible shape when examined by Bean and, following the death of Allison, disappeared. As far as the second copy, this was William Morrison's copy. I believe I know where these recordings are, however, the institution that I believe holds them does not make them available to the public. I have letters from individuals at this institution, that claim they do possess them, Morrison himself, wrote in a letter just a short time before his death that he placed them in this institution, however, for reasons I do not know, they are reluctant to make them available. They just don't seem interested in the matter.
@brushybret I remember reading about Brushy Bill when I was younger. It seems to me that the little details that brushy gives can only come from someone who was there or lived it. I really enjoy your billy the kid videos. I listen to them often.
He couldn't have known, which is what makes Roberts' claim so interesting. Most of the sources cited in this video weren't published until after Roberts'death in 1950. Thanks for watching.
Unfortunately, my book, which was released in 2003 is currently out of print. However, I'm in the process of updating it and will be re-releasing it later this year. I'll make an announcement on my channel when it's available. Thanks for watching.
Bret I watched the video you have posted, interview by William Tunstill Interview with Ola Everhard Friend of Brushy Bill Roberts / Billy The Kid th-cam.com/video/Kv_ZtOMAepk/w-d-xo.html and it all clicked in my head. I think both historians, and the eyewitness accounts are both correct. In a nutshell, the legend and the man became two separate entities, the legend put their lives in mortal danger, and the only power Jessie and Billy had over the legend was the power to kill the legend, end it. They needed to make their faked deaths concrete and indisputable, and they needed the help of their friends. Pat Garret and Billy obviously planned it from the beginning. It explains why Pat accepted the Sheriff position, and Pat's book. He agreed (with Billy) to go down as the man who killed the Legend of Billy the kid, and write a book to prove that the Legend is dead, to protect his friend. SO Billy the man could free himself from the Legend of Billy the kid, a legend no man who ever lived could live up to, even Billy himself. And it came down to, kill the legend or the legend will kill you. Jessie James had to do the same. It was the only way an outlaw could retire, was fake their death. So Billy and Jessie retired in Texas, and died in the 50s. Their Legends were buried in the 1800s. So it boils down to - Do you prefer the Shiny Legend, or the humble life of the Man? Historians are doing their job, sticking to the Legend, which is true to the nickle/dime novels, glorified stories written to sell papers. Or the humble men, who inspired the Legends, and lived a separate life to the Legend, to the point of kill the legend before the legend kills you!
I'd like to know who is in the grave in MO for they show cased Jesse James with a exit hole above his eye but when they dug him up in 1998 and did a full examination there was no exit hole as of btk pat garrett own deputy said he shot the wrong person Maxwell had a son who looked a lot like btk and I think that's who was shot that could be why they was in a hurry to bury him and not display the body like they did all the other outlaws
As far as the ears go, the person that promotes the ear theory is using a manipulated photograph. This is all detailed in John Meigs report to the Lincoln County Heritage Trust in the late 1980s and has been discussed by acclaimed western photograph historian, Robert McCubbin. In the original tintype, the image was so deteriorated from not being stored properly that parts of the image were no longer visible, like the ears. The image was restored by a man by the name of Noah Rose. I discuss this in my video on physical similarities between Roberts and the Kid and discuss the facial recognition study conducted by two PhD scientists at the University of Texas-Austin which concluded that Roberts and the man in the tintype were a statistical match. The study used an internationally recognized facial recognition program. The same system used by law enforcement agencies all over the world. Furthermore, the methods used were peer-reviewed and published in two separate scientific papers and the results were confirmed by two independent arbiters. Here is a link to my video, thanks for watching. th-cam.com/video/Y8KpyQTdBfk/w-d-xo.html
There was a famous facial recognition software used on the tin type and on brushy and the results stated that they were the same person. The software cannot be fooled by age, facial hair or even plastic surgery. It was published and pier reviewed.checknit out
Its known fact that Pat and Billy were friends, think about that for a minute, would you shoot your friend..i wouldn't. Aside from all the other evidence this is the most convincing that Billy was not killed on that day.
Have you considered that Brushy might have heard and learned everything from firsthand witnesses if he was interested in Billy's life? I think it is very possible. Good video 👌🏻
I considered this when I first began researching Roberts, but determined it to be highly unlikely due to the fact of the number of people he would've had to obtain the information from. Keep in mind, no single person was with Billy from his arrival in Lincoln to his purported death at Ft. Sumner. Roberts would've had to be attached to so many individuals who were with Billy from his arrival in Lincoln, the Lincoln County War, the outlaw years, his escape from the Lincoln County jail, and finally Ft. Sumner that he would've had to be doing some almost scholarly level research in order for this to have happened. Wait until I get to part 4, when I discuss his escape from the Lincoln County Jail when the only witnesses were Billy and Bell and the version told by Roberts went against the historians at the time to only be confirmed by forensic science more than a century later. Thanks for watching.
Brett did you ever get ola everheart paper work on brush bill and j frank dalton.when i heard her tell the story i was very interested in what she said mr tunstill wrote his book i think with some of this info.has any one found more about j frank dalton was he a con man i heard his nephew had all the paper work i heard i guy name Hardcastle i think thats the name wrote a book on this subject.its all interesting to me.
Given that we know for sure where Brushy is buried, why not exhume Brushy and take a DNA sample regarding his age? We would then get an answer that showed that he was even more likely to be BTK or absolutely not !?
The problem with exhuming Roberts is you have to have an actual legal cause, and the individual or entity requesting it has to have legal standing to do so. This was actually tried in the early 2000s by two Lincoln County Deputy Sheriffs, who actually opened a criminal investigation into Billy's escape from the Lincoln County Jail and his killing of Bell and Olinger. In doing so, they sought to establish the identity of the man shot by Garrett at Ft. Sumner in 1881. The plan was to exhume the body at Ft. Sumner, Catherine Antrim, William Roberts, and John Miller. Unfortunately, the powers that be in New Mexico fought this every step of the way by filing a series of lawsuits and legal motions that ultimately resulted in not only stopping their investigation, but led to their resignations. Further complicating Roberts' potential exhumation, without a criminal investigation, is his lack of direct descendants, as his closest living relatives are all very distant cousins, most of which have signed affidavits supporting his claim and his exhumation. Thanks for watching.
The argument could be made to examine Brushy Bill's remains in order to narrow down his true age. The family Bible's "birth date" is a huge discrepancy. An exact age couldn't be determined, but a 20 year difference most likely could be. If this were one of my cases, I'd go that route first. Especially since the location of Brushy Bill's remains are actually known. 😉
The problem with exhuming Roberts is you have to have an actual legal cause, and the individual or entity requesting it has to have legal standing to do so. This was actually tried in the early 2000s by two Lincoln County Deputy Sheriffs, who actually opened a criminal investigation into Billy's escape from the Lincoln County Jail and his killing of Bell and Olinger. In doing so, they sought to establish the identity of the man shot by Garrett at Ft. Sumner in 1881. The plan was to exhume the body at Ft. Sumner, Catherine Antrim, William Roberts, and John Miller. Unfortunately, the powers that be in New Mexico fought this every step of the way by filing a series of lawsuits and legal motions that ultimately resulted in not only stopping their investigation, but led to their resignations. Further complicating Roberts' potential exhumation, without a criminal investigation, is his lack of direct descendants, as his closest living relatives are all very distant cousins, most of which have signed affidavits supporting his claim and his exhumation. Thanks for watching.
@@brushybret ok but still the billy the kid museum would lose money so they wouldnt do it. and I never said he was buried In hico. to much money coming in for them to dig him up. just like in fort Sumner new Mexico. they will never try to dig billy up. to much money coming in. and yes they could still hav a say in the matter. and I know Billy's bone ste most likely washed away
I would love to see you put the same effort into proving brushy bill is not billy the kid (just cuz this level of research is fantastic) and then let people make up their minds. Cuz as great as this is its still just hearing one side.
I will do that at summary at some point in the series. I've already made a few videos detailing the four primary reasons that are most often cited as to why some don't believe Roberts' claim. Here are links. Thanks for watching. Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy the Kid: Was He Illiterate? th-cam.com/video/4m8H-TwLbFo-/w-d-xo.html... Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Could He Speak Spanish? th-cam.com/video/oGVw1RMxjWg/w-d-xo.html Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Did He Really Claim To Be A Member Of The James Gang? th-cam.com/video/lQYrXql6dCc/w-d-xo.html Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Was He Really Oliver P. Roberts, Born In 1879? th-cam.com/video/EK9oRxqmee0/w-d-xo.html Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Physical Similarities & Facial Recognition Study th-cam.com/video/Y8KpyQTdBfk/w-d-xo.html
Well said billy died tragically at 21yrs old, tragic because he didn't have to be a cold blooded murderer as he was able to read and write which would have been an advantage at that time, but he WANTED to be a gunslinger, Robert's was not believed by his own family members, nice to read someone what calls for real evidence.
@@brendanmcdonnell7483 During my more than 30 years of researching Roberts' claim, I've had the opportunity to interview many of Roberts descendants, most of which believe his claim to being Billy the Kid and I have about a dozen signed affidavits stating as such. As far as I'm aware, only two claimed, vocal family members have come out against him. One a very distant cousin, that never met him, and one who claims to be his niece. However, according to Roberts' family bible, he didn't have any nieces. I discuss this in the video on the Oliver P. Roberts claim. I agree that we need to demand real evidence in regard to what is fact and what is fiction regarding the true history of Billy the Kid, and that is what I try and do in my videos, which is why I always cite my sources or show the actual supporting documents. However, those that seek to discredit Roberts usually rely on rumor and gossip rather than actual evidence, which is why if you ever ask them to cite their sources, they usually get mad and leave the discussion. One question I always ask is if we know they lied when they said that Roberts was illiterate, lied when they said he couldn't speak Spanish, lied when they said he claimed to be a member of the James Gang, and lied when they claimed that he was really Oliver P. Roberts born in 1879. When do we stop giving them the benefit of doubt and ask to see their evidence before parroting their claims. And how many times does Roberts' statements have to be proven correct before we afford him at least the bare minimum. Thanks for watching.
Previous Episodes In This Series: Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy the Kid: Was He Illiterate? th-cam.com/video/4m8H-TwLbFo-/w-d-xo.html... Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Could He Speak Spanish? th-cam.com/video/oGVw1RMxjWg/w-d-xo.html Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Did He Really Claim To Be A Member Of The James Gang? th-cam.com/video/lQYrXql6dCc/w-d-xo.html Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Was He Really Oliver P. Roberts, Born In 1879? th-cam.com/video/EK9oRxqmee0/w-d-xo.html Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Physical Similarities & Facial Recognition Study th-cam.com/video/Y8KpyQTdBfk/w-d-xo.html Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Lincoln County War & Debunking The Saga Of Billy The Kid. th-cam.com/video/tM0RvmJHK00/w-d-xo.html Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Outlaw Years Part 1 Meeting Governor Lew Wallace th-cam.com/video/AHYa0e2VJK4/w-d-xo.html Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Outlaw Years part 2 The Death of Tom Folliard th-cam.com/video/vCtlwzhutq0/w-d-xo.html Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Outlaw Years Part 3 The Death of Charlie Bowdre th-cam.com/video/jzdwa0uJuRs/w-d-xo.html
Check out youtube.com/@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi All Things Billy The Kid. There is a LOT of info on this page whether you believe Brushy was Billy or not.
If you could test the dna from the parents of Oliver Roberts (aka Brushy) and prove Brushy was not their son then dna could prove Brushy was someone else and not their son.
It should take one glance at the tintype to decide if Brushy was in fact Billy, not a 70 year debacle trying to crack whether that loner is the one and only.
For as much as I wanted to believe he was the Kid, he wasn't. Robert's ears absolutely prove he isn't Billy the Kid. Being a healthcare professional, I investigated the claim that ears don't ever change without plastic surgery and is indeed a fact. The only verified photo of the Kid shows he has detached earlobes. Roberts doesn't have detached earlobes. So unless he had plastic surgery it is impossible that he is the kid. Like I said, I so wanted him to be the Kid. I wonder if he truly escaped? There are many things about this story that doesn't make sense so that is a possibility.
The person that promotes the ear theory is using a manipulated photograph. This is all detailed in John Meigs report to the Lincoln County Heritage Trust in the late 1980s and has been discussed by acclaimed western photograph historian, Robert McCubbin. In the original tintype, the image was so deteriorated from not being stored properly that parts of the image were no longer visible, like the ears. The image was restored by a man by the name of Noah Rose. I discuss this in my video the facial recognition study conducted by two PhD scientists at the University of Texas-Austin which concluded that Roberts and the man in the tintype were a statistical match. The study used an internationally recognized facial recognition program. The same system used by law enforcement agencies all over the world. Furthermore, the methods used were peer-reviewed and published in two separate scientific papers and the results were confirmed by two independent arbiters. Here is a link to the video on Robert's physical similarities and the facial recognition study. Thanks for watching. th-cam.com/video/Y8KpyQTdBfk/w-d-xo.html
There is a bunch of bad information being circulated online about Roberts' claim, which is why I created this series. However, if you were to fact-check these claims, you would see they're completely unfounded and not based on facts or evidence. I've made detailed videos on each of these claims and debunk them one by one and show you on the screen the supporting documents and evidence. For instance, you stated, " All of BIllys friends admitted to seeing his body after Pat Garrett shot him." However, I already did a video debunking this claim. Here is a link to the video, thanks for watching. th-cam.com/video/MoENksTHowM/w-d-xo.html
Billy, the kid lived out a long life. He was innocent from the beginning and was a product of his environment that constantly attacked him, may he rest in peace.
Jus how 🙄do u think b.b. Roberts looks or is William h BONNEY and that he lived long life,yur as fake as Roberts, the kid without a doubt was shot n killed at FT.SUMNER his pals r buried next to him.bonney was the most wanted man in new Mexico ESPECIALLY after killing olinger and bell .im jus glad he killed CROOKED lawmen, he killed 5 or 6 enemies he took them with him and he took those lives and paid for it with only 1 death (his) not bad for a kid, he dispatched to hell all the corruption.
I love billy the kid. he is my favorite outlaw from the west. but he was far from innocent. he killed deputy bell,and Bob olinger in cold blood. and had his hand in sheriff bradys death. so innocent know. but fought for what he believed in.
@@unclejesse22546 billy became an assassin because CROOKED people, lawmen all greedy for money killed his friends. He was just a kid and when the law is unjust he took matters in his own hands,he couldnt have killed them better one with a shotgun the other with 44 or 45. Brady got it all by the regulators including billy never knew what hit him.the kid killed many and he paid with only one life and he took some with him i in his place say it's worth it.
@@LuisGomez-pg2qk yes you are telling stuff I already know. please dont believe in the movies. billy didnt become an assassin. he was just protecting himself. as for brady he had that coming because he involved him Dolan. he killed bell and bob because he was escaping. and all others because he was protecting himself. he was a killer yes but not an assassin.
@@unclejesse22546 i dont believe in movies at ALL! i go by life experience. I hope yur not dumb enough to believe he was jus gonna wait around and let himself get hung by crooked lawmen (may they burn in hell).
Billy, through Brett Hall is setting the record straight even from his grave. Thank you Brett, for all your hard work and never giving up.
Thanks, Blaze!
@@brushybret Billy's gut instincts rewarded him with a long life, and I so much look forward to the next installment in the truth series you are relating to us!
Awesome work Brett, just subscribed to your channel and always love hearing about Billy the Kid. Brushy Bills words are very true and backed up by accounts with some only known by him and the close people around him! I just returned from Lincoln County, Roswell, Ft. Summer, Ruidoso, Capitan, Lincoln, Nogal, Carrizozo, San Patricio in November of 2022, I’m from Georgia and the last time I was in southeast New Mexico was in 2006 around Roswell, Dexter and Artesia to buy some horses owned by the Bogle family. The part of the Ranch we were on used to be owned by John Chisum and later Sally Chisum until she sold it to Hal Bogle in about 1900! Thanks for telling the stories through Brushy Bill and so much great history in that area, also some the best horses in this country!
I think a Young Guns 3 should be in the works. Telling the story of billy the kid moving and becoming brushy bill
That would be epic
I believe that's exactly what it's going to be about.
That's actually an ongoing rumor the past few years,I just heard COVID put a damper on the funding...
Brett, I’m always thrilled when I see another video by you… I will definitely be watching it again before the day is over… I, as always appreciate your work… truth is a beautiful thing.
Thanks, Gwag for your kind words and continued support...it's much appreciated.
Thanks for the information you gather and share with us all...very informative and factual...big fan from the UK 🇬🇧 👍
Nice series you’ve put together here , I love a good historical mystery and this one is great and told very well , good job !
Thank you very much!
Brent has a good voice for this.
there is a lot of information. It's difficult to remember all of this !!!
Billy had great gut instinct thank GOD.
Great video Brett. Keep up the great work.
The kid was no outlaw. He was a patriot who stood up against tyranny and evil. Rest In Peace Brushy Bill Robers
He was a psychopath who out-psychopathed the other psychopaths running the county, but that still makes him a hero of sorts.
Psycho maybe! But I don't think he was a sociopath!
Thanx for your information here.... I can't wait til you get to the part where Billy was supposed to be killed by pat Garrett... Which I still believe he escaped that shooting... And pat Garrett wanted the man he killed buried immediately.... Thanx for your intriguing information....
I'm unsure about Brushy but Pat did NOT KILL Billy.
Thank you Brett! Very awesome video!
Frank Clifford, in his memoir (he was a friend of Siringo and he knew all these men and Billy the Kid as well), also mentioned that Garrett would always shoot someone when they didn't have a chance. He didn't seem impressed with Garrett. He also mentions the black soldiers at the McSween house as well as the piano being played when the fire was started (he gave that information to illustrate "how rich McSween was", and "So far as I knew, it was the only piano in New Mexico", but says she stopped playing when the fire got too hot). It's an interesting source.
Wow, you are an amazing researcher! This muat have taken a lot of work to put together! VERY interesting!!!
Thanks!
Excellent researcher! and hopefully more will believe facts! Not fiction
And the similarities of Brushy bill and the kid are more likely the one the same person!!
New sub from England i love hearing anything about Billy / Henry. i dont know if hd died way back at Garretts despicable hand or lived out knowing who he was😊😊😊.. thank you for your hard work xx
Thanks for watching.
some amazing work!
Awesome stuff!
Man I always knew in my heart that billy the kid didnt die that july night in 1881. I just always felt everything was way too extra ordinary I guess would be the word id use. Any and all famous outlaws were always photographed after death. From the hurriedly burial to the accounts of garrett and poe. I honestly think garrett knew he didnt kill billy and having become friendly with the kid and having already killed 2 of billys friends to find out each time it wasnt him I think garrett understood another failed attempt at killy billy would ultimately kill any law career or political aspirations that he may have had. So I think then and there he decided to give billy a out and I think he told poe and sent word to billy to move put of the territory and never come back and to never claim to be billy the kid like a mutual agreement that each would go their separate ways and live out their lives. I think of garrett had lived longer than he did he would had finally told that he really didnt kill billy that night and instead killed someone else. Who knows why I absolutely love history always have billy the kid jesse James and the civil war are my absolute favs. I would have loved to live back then and caught a glimpse of some of these famous characters who enrich my life everyday with the stories they leave behind for us to follow and understand.
😮 very thorough Mr Hall great job sir
Thanks, Lindsey
Awesome videos Brett. One thing I’ve never seen addressed is the discrepancy between historical accounts of the kid being born in NYC while Brushy Bill is reported to have been born in Buffalo Gap Texas. Has this early life discrepancy ever been explained?
Yes, this has been addressed, and I'm going to do a video on the genealogy in the near future. Thanks for watching.
@@brushybret looking forward to it. These videos are very compelling and well researched.
Yup. According to Morrison, Billy, while in NM, said that everyone always said they were from somewhere else so he said NYC though he had never even been there. He was born in TX.
Who can trust the official story can we trust the official story at anytime? Lets ask that?
Still too this day.
Is there a place to listen to the recordings??
I believe two known copies of the interviews existed. The first was in the possession of Roberts' step-grandson, Bill Allison, who allowed author and historian, Frederic Bean, to listen and transcribe them. This is detailed in the following books, The Return of the Outlaw Billy the Kid, by W.C. Jameson and Frederic Bean and Billy the Kid The Lost Interviews by W.C. Jameson. According to Bean and Jameson, this copy was in terrible shape when examined by Bean and, following the death of Allison, disappeared. As far as the second copy, this was William Morrison's copy. I believe I know where these recordings are, however, the institution that I believe holds them does not make them available to the public. I have letters from individuals at this institution, that claim they do possess them, Morrison himself, wrote in a letter just a short time before his death that he placed them in this institution, however, for reasons I do not know, they are reluctant to make them available. They just don't seem interested in the matter.
@brushybret I remember reading about Brushy Bill when I was younger. It seems to me that the little details that brushy gives can only come from someone who was there or lived it. I really enjoy your billy the kid videos. I listen to them often.
The account of the killing of Carlyle and the letter seem to prove Brushy was the kid.
Live your deep dives.
Thanks!
" how could Roberts have known about the letter " ?.........great question
He couldn't have known, which is what makes Roberts' claim so interesting. Most of the sources cited in this video weren't published until after Roberts'death in 1950. Thanks for watching.
Mr. Hall how can I get your book???
Unfortunately, my book, which was released in 2003 is currently out of print. However, I'm in the process of updating it and will be re-releasing it later this year. I'll make an announcement on my channel when it's available. Thanks for watching.
@@brushybret great!!!! Can not wait.
If Wayne Brazel hadn't shot Garrett, he himself would probably have been shot by ambush.
Awesome stuff
Bret I watched the video you have posted, interview by William Tunstill Interview with Ola Everhard Friend of Brushy Bill Roberts / Billy The Kid th-cam.com/video/Kv_ZtOMAepk/w-d-xo.html and it all clicked in my head.
I think both historians, and the eyewitness accounts are both correct. In a nutshell, the legend and the man became two separate entities, the legend put their lives in mortal danger, and the only power Jessie and Billy had over the legend was the power to kill the legend, end it. They needed to make their faked deaths concrete and indisputable, and they needed the help of their friends.
Pat Garret and Billy obviously planned it from the beginning. It explains why Pat accepted the Sheriff position, and Pat's book. He agreed (with Billy) to go down as the man who killed the Legend of Billy the kid, and write a book to prove that the Legend is dead, to protect his friend. SO Billy the man could free himself from the Legend of Billy the kid, a legend no man who ever lived could live up to, even Billy himself. And it came down to, kill the legend or the legend will kill you.
Jessie James had to do the same.
It was the only way an outlaw could retire, was fake their death.
So Billy and Jessie retired in Texas, and died in the 50s.
Their Legends were buried in the 1800s.
So it boils down to - Do you prefer the Shiny Legend, or the humble life of the Man? Historians are doing their job, sticking to the Legend, which is true to the nickle/dime novels, glorified stories written to sell papers. Or the humble men, who inspired the Legends, and lived a separate life to the Legend, to the point of kill the legend before the legend kills you!
I'd like to know who is in the grave in MO for they show cased Jesse James with a exit hole above his eye but when they dug him up in 1998 and did a full examination there was no exit hole as of btk pat garrett own deputy said he shot the wrong person Maxwell had a son who looked a lot like btk and I think that's who was shot that could be why they was in a hurry to bury him and not display the body like they did all the other outlaws
Thanks
Unfortunately I don’t think he is, but who knows. I recently purchased a Colt owned by Brushy Bull Roberts it’s pretty interesting
Where is part 1?
Links to all my previous videos in this series can be found in the description box below the video. Thanks for watching.
When is part 3?
I should have it up this weekend. Thanks for watching.
@@brushybret awesome!!!! You and Dan Edwards are putting this debate to bed!!!
I tend to believe that Brushy was The Kid, but people talk about their earlobes being different. I'm not sure what to make of that.
As far as the ears go, the person that promotes the ear theory is using a manipulated photograph. This is all detailed in John Meigs report to the Lincoln County Heritage Trust in the late 1980s and has been discussed by acclaimed western photograph historian, Robert McCubbin. In the original tintype, the image was so deteriorated from not being stored properly that parts of the image were no longer visible, like the ears. The image was restored by a man by the name of Noah Rose. I discuss this in my video on physical similarities between Roberts and the Kid and discuss the facial recognition study conducted by two PhD scientists at the University of Texas-Austin which concluded that Roberts and the man in the tintype were a statistical match. The study used an internationally recognized facial recognition program. The same system used by law enforcement agencies all over the world. Furthermore, the methods used were peer-reviewed and published in two separate scientific papers and the results were confirmed by two independent arbiters. Here is a link to my video, thanks for watching. th-cam.com/video/Y8KpyQTdBfk/w-d-xo.html
@brushybret thanks for that information! I haven't gotten around to all your videos yet, but I will! Love them all so far!
There was a famous facial recognition software used on the tin type and on brushy and the results stated that they were the same person. The software cannot be fooled by age, facial hair or even plastic surgery. It was published and pier reviewed.checknit out
Its known fact that Pat and Billy were friends, think about that for a minute, would you shoot your friend..i wouldn't. Aside from all the other evidence this is the most convincing that Billy was not killed on that day.
Its actually not a fact its said maybe MAYBE they gambled together a few times but friends no
My uncle drew spent his life rest btk rest in peace Drew Gomber
Have you considered that Brushy might have heard and learned everything from firsthand witnesses if he was interested in Billy's life? I think it is very possible. Good video 👌🏻
I considered this when I first began researching Roberts, but determined it to be highly unlikely due to the fact of the number of people he would've had to obtain the information from. Keep in mind, no single person was with Billy from his arrival in Lincoln to his purported death at Ft. Sumner. Roberts would've had to be attached to so many individuals who were with Billy from his arrival in Lincoln, the Lincoln County War, the outlaw years, his escape from the Lincoln County jail, and finally Ft. Sumner that he would've had to be doing some almost scholarly level research in order for this to have happened. Wait until I get to part 4, when I discuss his escape from the Lincoln County Jail when the only witnesses were Billy and Bell and the version told by Roberts went against the historians at the time to only be confirmed by forensic science more than a century later. Thanks for watching.
Brushes info was so good he must have met someone who was there
Brett did you ever get ola everheart paper work on brush bill and j frank dalton.when i heard her tell the story i was very interested in what she said mr tunstill wrote his book i think with some of this info.has any one found more about j frank dalton was he a con man i heard his nephew had all the paper work i heard i guy name Hardcastle i think thats the name wrote a book on this subject.its all interesting to me.
I have several of her materials that I received from Bill Tunstill. I'll be covering Dalton once I finish with Roberts.
Bro your research is incapable.
Given that we know for sure where Brushy is buried, why not exhume Brushy and take a DNA sample regarding his age? We would then get an answer that showed that he was even more likely to be BTK or absolutely not !?
The problem with exhuming Roberts is you have to have an actual legal cause, and the individual or entity requesting it has to have legal standing to do so. This was actually tried in the early 2000s by two Lincoln County Deputy Sheriffs, who actually opened a criminal investigation into Billy's escape from the Lincoln County Jail and his killing of Bell and Olinger. In doing so, they sought to establish the identity of the man shot by Garrett at Ft. Sumner in 1881. The plan was to exhume the body at Ft. Sumner, Catherine Antrim, William Roberts, and John Miller. Unfortunately, the powers that be in New Mexico fought this every step of the way by filing a series of lawsuits and legal motions that ultimately resulted in not only stopping their investigation, but led to their resignations. Further complicating Roberts' potential exhumation, without a criminal investigation, is his lack of direct descendants, as his closest living relatives are all very distant cousins, most of which have signed affidavits supporting his claim and his exhumation. Thanks for watching.
Has either been exhumed ??
The argument could be made to examine Brushy Bill's remains in order to narrow down his true age. The family Bible's "birth date" is a huge discrepancy. An exact age couldn't be determined, but a 20 year difference most likely could be.
If this were one of my cases, I'd go that route first. Especially since the location of Brushy Bill's remains are actually known. 😉
The problem with exhuming Roberts is you have to have an actual legal cause, and the individual or entity requesting it has to have legal standing to do so. This was actually tried in the early 2000s by two Lincoln County Deputy Sheriffs, who actually opened a criminal investigation into Billy's escape from the Lincoln County Jail and his killing of Bell and Olinger. In doing so, they sought to establish the identity of the man shot by Garrett at Ft. Sumner in 1881. The plan was to exhume the body at Ft. Sumner, Catherine Antrim, William Roberts, and John Miller. Unfortunately, the powers that be in New Mexico fought this every step of the way by filing a series of lawsuits and legal motions that ultimately resulted in not only stopping their investigation, but led to their resignations. Further complicating Roberts' potential exhumation, without a criminal investigation, is his lack of direct descendants, as his closest living relatives are all very distant cousins, most of which have signed affidavits supporting his claim and his exhumation. Thanks for watching.
plus hico texas is a tourist location and good money. so they would never let that happen
@ganonisawesome Roberts isn't buried in Hico. He's buried in Hamilton, Texas, so Hico wouldn't have any say in the matter.
@@brushybret ok but still the billy the kid museum would lose money so they wouldnt do it. and I never said he was buried In hico. to much money coming in for them to dig him up. just like in fort Sumner new Mexico. they will never try to dig billy up. to much money coming in. and yes they could still hav a say in the matter. and I know Billy's bone ste most likely washed away
I would love to see you put the same effort into proving brushy bill is not billy the kid (just cuz this level of research is fantastic) and then let people make up their minds. Cuz as great as this is its still just hearing one side.
I will do that at summary at some point in the series. I've already made a few videos detailing the four primary reasons that are most often cited as to why some don't believe Roberts' claim. Here are links. Thanks for watching.
Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy the Kid: Was He Illiterate? th-cam.com/video/4m8H-TwLbFo-/w-d-xo.html...
Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Could He Speak Spanish?
th-cam.com/video/oGVw1RMxjWg/w-d-xo.html
Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Did He Really Claim To Be A Member Of The James Gang? th-cam.com/video/lQYrXql6dCc/w-d-xo.html
Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Was He Really Oliver P. Roberts, Born In 1879? th-cam.com/video/EK9oRxqmee0/w-d-xo.html
Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Physical Similarities & Facial Recognition Study th-cam.com/video/Y8KpyQTdBfk/w-d-xo.html
Well said billy died tragically at 21yrs old, tragic because he didn't have to be a cold blooded murderer as he was able to read and write which would have been an advantage at that time, but he WANTED to be a gunslinger, Robert's was not believed by his own family members, nice to read someone what calls for real evidence.
@@brendanmcdonnell7483 During my more than 30 years of researching Roberts' claim, I've had the opportunity to interview many of Roberts descendants, most of which believe his claim to being Billy the Kid and I have about a dozen signed affidavits stating as such. As far as I'm aware, only two claimed, vocal family members have come out against him. One a very distant cousin, that never met him, and one who claims to be his niece. However, according to Roberts' family bible, he didn't have any nieces. I discuss this in the video on the Oliver P. Roberts claim. I agree that we need to demand real evidence in regard to what is fact and what is fiction regarding the true history of Billy the Kid, and that is what I try and do in my videos, which is why I always cite my sources or show the actual supporting documents. However, those that seek to discredit Roberts usually rely on rumor and gossip rather than actual evidence, which is why if you ever ask them to cite their sources, they usually get mad and leave the discussion. One question I always ask is if we know they lied when they said that Roberts was illiterate, lied when they said he couldn't speak Spanish, lied when they said he claimed to be a member of the James Gang, and lied when they claimed that he was really Oliver P. Roberts born in 1879. When do we stop giving them the benefit of doubt and ask to see their evidence before parroting their claims. And how many times does Roberts' statements have to be proven correct before we afford him at least the bare minimum. Thanks for watching.
Great video! Question, didn’t they prove through DNA that Roberts was not the Kid?
No DNA test has ever been done on Roberts or the body in Ft. Sumner. Thanks for watching.
Never.
Previous Episodes In This Series:
Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy the Kid: Was He Illiterate? th-cam.com/video/4m8H-TwLbFo-/w-d-xo.html...
Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Could He Speak Spanish?
th-cam.com/video/oGVw1RMxjWg/w-d-xo.html
Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Did He Really Claim To Be A Member Of The James Gang? th-cam.com/video/lQYrXql6dCc/w-d-xo.html
Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Was He Really Oliver P. Roberts, Born In 1879? th-cam.com/video/EK9oRxqmee0/w-d-xo.html
Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Physical Similarities & Facial Recognition Study th-cam.com/video/Y8KpyQTdBfk/w-d-xo.html
Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Lincoln County War & Debunking The Saga Of Billy The Kid. th-cam.com/video/tM0RvmJHK00/w-d-xo.html
Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Outlaw Years Part 1 Meeting Governor Lew Wallace th-cam.com/video/AHYa0e2VJK4/w-d-xo.html
Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Outlaw Years part 2 The Death of Tom Folliard th-cam.com/video/vCtlwzhutq0/w-d-xo.html
Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Outlaw Years Part 3 The Death of Charlie Bowdre th-cam.com/video/jzdwa0uJuRs/w-d-xo.html
Could DNA solve this mystery?
Check out youtube.com/@MichaelAnthonyGiudicissi All Things Billy The Kid. There is a LOT of info on this page whether you believe Brushy was Billy or not.
@@heatherskettlecorn Thank you so much for this. Yes, I'm definitely interested. I just subbed
@@TonyVega123 you’re welcome! It’s not my page but it’s a great one!
If you could test the dna from the parents of Oliver Roberts (aka Brushy) and prove Brushy was not their son then dna could prove Brushy was someone else and not their son.
It should take one glance at the tintype to decide if Brushy was in fact Billy, not a 70 year debacle trying to crack whether that loner is the one and only.
I already did a video discussing this. Thanks for watching. th-cam.com/video/Y8KpyQTdBfk/w-d-xo.html
Facial recognition says otherwise
For as much as I wanted to believe he was the Kid, he wasn't. Robert's ears absolutely prove he isn't Billy the Kid. Being a healthcare professional, I investigated the claim that ears don't ever change without plastic surgery and is indeed a fact. The only verified photo of the Kid shows he has detached earlobes. Roberts doesn't have detached earlobes. So unless he had plastic surgery it is impossible that he is the kid. Like I said, I so wanted him to be the Kid. I wonder if he truly escaped? There are many things about this story that doesn't make sense so that is a possibility.
The person that promotes the ear theory is using a manipulated photograph. This is all detailed in John Meigs report to the Lincoln County Heritage Trust in the late 1980s and has been discussed by acclaimed western photograph historian, Robert McCubbin. In the original tintype, the image was so deteriorated from not being stored properly that parts of the image were no longer visible, like the ears. The image was restored by a man by the name of Noah Rose. I discuss this in my video the facial recognition study conducted by two PhD scientists at the University of Texas-Austin which concluded that Roberts and the man in the tintype were a statistical match. The study used an internationally recognized facial recognition program. The same system used by law enforcement agencies all over the world. Furthermore, the methods used were peer-reviewed and published in two separate scientific papers and the results were confirmed by two independent arbiters. Here is a link to the video on Robert's physical similarities and the facial recognition study. Thanks for watching. th-cam.com/video/Y8KpyQTdBfk/w-d-xo.html
Its total BS. they have proved it that Brushy wasnt Billy. what a joke. All of BIllys friends admitted to seeing his body after Pat Garrett shot him
There is a bunch of bad information being circulated online about Roberts' claim, which is why I created this series. However, if you were to fact-check these claims, you would see they're completely unfounded and not based on facts or evidence. I've made detailed videos on each of these claims and debunk them one by one and show you on the screen the supporting documents and evidence. For instance, you stated, " All of BIllys friends admitted to seeing his body after Pat Garrett shot him." However, I already did a video debunking this claim. Here is a link to the video, thanks for watching. th-cam.com/video/MoENksTHowM/w-d-xo.html
How did Brushy Bill know about the letter to Governor Wallace that wasn't known to anyone at the time brushy bill told his story?
You are absolutely false....please research before writing such things as no one saw Billy's dead body!
Brushy Bill was not The Kid.
The evidence in favor of Roberts being the Kid far outweighs the evidence against. Thanks for watching.
His letter to Governor Wallace proves otherwise,it certainly adds to brushy bills claim.