Damn that was some epic TvZ series, TY dropped the ball a bit in the first game, when his macro slipped otherwise he would have crushed in game 1, anyway GG !
Yes, game 1 was interesting. I watched it again to analyze what went wrong for TY. It's true that his macro slipped a bit at times, but I actually don't think it was the reason for his loss. He lost because he almost never found a favorable army trade. Serral's defense was immaculate, anticipating every drop and run by, always keeping the perfect composition of units at key locations. With the exception of sniping Serral's third at 8:15, TY never found real damage.
Everytime TY goes against serral, it's like he's slightly not good enough. Nothing wrong with his builds at all (strategically he has the advantage most of the time imo), but he doesn't have the skills to finish serral off. By game 3 he looks broken, it must be hard losing like that. He's already tried everything
@@colehunter71 my guess is that he lacks the recklessness of byun or the perfect ghost control of maru. Who knows? The opponent is serral. As far as I can remember, most of the games that TY wins were with a big early advantage from trickery and build order (often letting him get away with being greedy). That's very different from other terrans sometimes winning with pure finesse. Plus, It's not like his decision-making is subpar (in game 3 he made plenty of right decisions with his army movements). When TY is either behind or on equal footing with serral in the mid game, I don't think he ever ended up winning. The games are almost always close but he falls just short. So I really think it's down to mechanics, and that's the hardest thing to improve imo. But then again, that's just my lowly diamond league opinion xD
@@peterchui1964 that's why u stay in diamond, you will never realize how impossible for high league terran to win a later tvz. you eigther use some wired strategy caught zerg off guard and snow ball it get 40% win possibility or you play normal tvz and straight going to die. even a master zerg knows make 80 drones and zergling run by to ur third, which makes their A click even more easier.
@@kafkick82 the patch hasn't changed in forever. And you can see terrans winning a standard macro against top zergs even in this tournament. The question is whether they can beat serral specifically, and looking at game 3, the answer is yes.
playing against z like serral. Destroy one base and leave from the area and it's like 2 seconds and there is new base on the way. Y can't let z build bases. Bases mean more income more drones faster z production. players can't lose areas to z. When y destroy z buildings y can't let z to rebuild.
I think zergling and baneling are the reason why people think zerg are op. Mobility, cost efficient, it do good from early to late game, perfect for agressive or defensive playstyle. A bunch of them can go harass the enemy eco, while keep the main army in front line huge. T or P have to split their army to do that and lead to their front line army are out number by the Z
Just a spectator so I have an uneducated opinion: Terrans have BCs, they don't fall off, can jump anywhere, but are slow moving. Marine micro is intensive but makes Marunes good all game and oppressive both both offense and defense. Protoss have really good spells, when used effectively they can trade extremely well. Imortals are godly with a warp prism and can be on a level all their own. Zerg probably gets flakk because of the stigma of "hur hur, melee horde tactics". All this is coming from a viewer who's least favourite race is Zerg.
@@SkyNinja759 Zerg has the BEST anti air units, both on the ground and in the air. Queen kills everything early game and there's no counter. Hydra kills everything non-early-game and is super mobile AND has immense value even without performing AA duty. Corruptor simply beats ALL air, including end game air compositions, AND can snipe structures without counter after beating all your air, AND can gg-lord. The same reasoning goes to every fucking zerg unit; even their static-D is not really static with ultra fast uproot time. Every patch the zerg receives some token nerfs and secret buffs to other areas. Zerg must be nerfed permanently to the ground or this game will never be great.
Serral: I’m a world champion and my best matchup is versus terran, in which my winrate is 20% higher than the second highest rank player. Terrans: REEEE ZERG OP!!!
honestly, i dont play sc2 but love watching the tournaments. its my spectator sport, if you will.. Every time i was a zerg player play, its insane at just how fast the characters are and how every time Serral pops all his banelings, his supply is still maxed. blows my mind. Zerg does look OP
@@Guroji That can make zerg look op, but those big waves have to do serious damage or the zerg is screwed. Generally TvZ goes like this: Stage 1: Harassment and light pressure. Testing if the opponent will die to stupid stuff. Generally these amount to some worker kills and *maybe* a canceled hatch or a lift. In a proper game that’s as far as the damage goes. Stage 2: Midgame. The zerg chooses their tech path (hydras or mutas) and the terran picks tanks or mines to counter (or does mines vs hydras and gets his butt kicked). Some people when going mutas stay on this stage forever. Lategame hydra: The zerg makes lurkers, and eventually vipers, and the terran has to take an extremely mobile bio approach as he cannot at this point fight the zerg army on creep, and has to pick it apart with snipes while using liberators to keep it at bay. Lategame muta: The zerg transitions into a tech heavy army such as infestor Broodlord. The terran requires a LOT of ghosts to zone out the zerg, and hellbats to protect them. Eternal ling bane muta (the style you’re referring to): Terran just has to trade efficiently and keep the zerg from taking more than half of the bases while fighting with, usually, marine medivac mine (though there will usually be a few thors and tanks mixed in if the terran gets into a good position). The terran can easily trade better than the zerg, usually trading out 2-1 if they’re even on skill. The challenge is keeping the zerg economy in check without splitting up too much.
@@Guroji Yeah, if you look at just a couple battles the zerg looks OP, but pay attention to how much the terran loses. The thing that makes serral so dangerous he has an 80% winrate, is that he’s more cautious than most zergs who play the style, while still being willing to pounce hard on terran armies when the time comes. Thus the usual ‘three armies for the cost of one’ doesn’t really apply
I still wait to see a day in which a zerg win is not complained by balance problems. When the opposite happen, terran player is a beast able to beat an op race... what a bad losers...
Zerg is OP though... seems like every unit for zerg is just dumb look at banglings and zerglings they are so fast and strong and useful all the time... tanks have to stay still to do damage so does the air unit ... js i feel like it takes a lot more skill and set up for a terran player than just spaming ling bane until late game... hell u can even move your turrets and they self repair like damn im not being biased i just feel like some minor changes to terran and protoss would make a more competitive match
@@Stria110 nope. from the tournament you have Z and P players who beat serral. Yet the T players are as equally mechnically gifted as those Z and P players so it's the race that is the disadvantage. Not even a single map was taken off but u have people like Solar and Trap who beat serral
@@benchua7100 Serral went to the ace vs clem very recently, and hasn’t really run into top terrans. He currently has an 80% winrate vs terran, yes. But lets compare that to his fellow top zerg Reynor who only has a 60%, same as his other matchups. It’s not that terran is bad, it’s that Serral is extremely good at TvZ.
@hunt mark Serral is just in a league of his own. He just tripple O-ed the two time GSL winner. If Zerg was OP we would have more Zerg players winning the GSL. Which we don't so stop complaining.
@@geraldleuven169 zerg has been op over 2 years, check the fuk out liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments and take a fking look at 2019 and 2020. how many zergs had won, the results has been archived in the fuking page, you still trying to deny it by saying zerg wasn't op??? zerg has way higher mistake toleranz and op units in later game. even protoss struggling vs zerg.
@@kafkick82 the race is not op, the problem is zerg has the highest potential, meaning you have a lot more room for improvement than the other 2 races. That's why in recent years, once the zerg players got good enough they became harder to beat than the other 2 races. Don't forget that the pro scene is very different than the rest of the world.
@@OTSS97 the biggest micro potential has terran(can be the most efficient with perfect micro). Its just that broken macro of zerg that allows them to throw units
@@mh-fh2vy then why does every pro and caster agree that the race with the biggest potential is in fact zerg and not terran ? Don't get me wrong, I don't even play the game, but from what I've heard zeg just has more potential
![[GSL vs. the World 2019] Ro.16 Match5 Serral vs TY](/img/n.gif)
serral's surrounds are just way too good
Damn that was some epic TvZ series, TY dropped the ball a bit in the first game, when his macro slipped otherwise he would have crushed in game 1, anyway GG !
Yes, game 1 was interesting. I watched it again to analyze what went wrong for TY.
It's true that his macro slipped a bit at times, but I actually don't think it was the reason for his loss.
He lost because he almost never found a favorable army trade. Serral's defense was immaculate, anticipating every drop and run by, always keeping the perfect composition of units at key locations. With the exception of sniping Serral's third at 8:15, TY never found real damage.
For the love gad, please stop cutting off the ends of the videos! I would like to here the commentators!
Feels like ive seen all the great match ups last season
Everytime TY goes against serral, it's like he's slightly not good enough. Nothing wrong with his builds at all (strategically he has the advantage most of the time imo), but he doesn't have the skills to finish serral off. By game 3 he looks broken, it must be hard losing like that. He's already tried everything
I agree completely. What do you think TY is lacking specifically?
@@colehunter71 my guess is that he lacks the recklessness of byun or the perfect ghost control of maru. Who knows? The opponent is serral.
As far as I can remember, most of the games that TY wins were with a big early advantage from trickery and build order (often letting him get away with being greedy). That's very different from other terrans sometimes winning with pure finesse.
Plus, It's not like his decision-making is subpar (in game 3 he made plenty of right decisions with his army movements).
When TY is either behind or on equal footing with serral in the mid game, I don't think he ever ended up winning. The games are almost always close but he falls just short.
So I really think it's down to mechanics, and that's the hardest thing to improve imo. But then again, that's just my lowly diamond league opinion xD
@@peterchui1964 that's why u stay in diamond, you will never realize how impossible for high league terran to win a later tvz. you eigther use some wired strategy caught zerg off guard and snow ball it get 40% win possibility or you play normal tvz and straight going to die. even a master zerg knows make 80 drones and zergling run by to ur third, which makes their A click even more easier.
@@colehunter71 he is lacking nothing but a fair patch, lol. even maru can not conquer the imbalance of zerg.
@@kafkick82 the patch hasn't changed in forever. And you can see terrans winning a standard macro against top zergs even in this tournament.
The question is whether they can beat serral specifically, and looking at game 3, the answer is yes.
Why is the sound so poor on the commentators? And why is the music so loud? Its at the same level as the commentators.
0:14 serral's yawn
Serral is the swarm~
I realize I am kind of off topic but does anyone know of a good place to stream newly released series online?
playing against z like serral. Destroy one base and leave from the area and it's like 2 seconds and there is new base on the way. Y can't let z build bases. Bases mean more income more drones faster z production. players can't lose areas to z. When y destroy z buildings y can't let z to rebuild.
I think zergling and baneling are the reason why people think zerg are op. Mobility, cost efficient, it do good from early to late game, perfect for agressive or defensive playstyle. A bunch of them can go harass the enemy eco, while keep the main army in front line huge. T or P have to split their army to do that and lead to their front line army are out number by the Z
Just a spectator so I have an uneducated opinion:
Terrans have BCs, they don't fall off, can jump anywhere, but are slow moving. Marine micro is intensive but makes Marunes good all game and oppressive both both offense and defense.
Protoss have really good spells, when used effectively they can trade extremely well. Imortals are godly with a warp prism and can be on a level all their own.
Zerg probably gets flakk because of the stigma of "hur hur, melee horde tactics".
All this is coming from a viewer who's least favourite race is Zerg.
@@SkyNinja759 that's why you're a spectator. BC is horrible vs zergs unless they are caught off guard
@@SkyNinja759 Zerg has the BEST anti air units, both on the ground and in the air. Queen kills everything early game and there's no counter. Hydra kills everything non-early-game and is super mobile AND has immense value even without performing AA duty. Corruptor simply beats ALL air, including end game air compositions, AND can snipe structures without counter after beating all your air, AND can gg-lord. The same reasoning goes to every fucking zerg unit; even their static-D is not really static with ultra fast uproot time. Every patch the zerg receives some token nerfs and secret buffs to other areas. Zerg must be nerfed permanently to the ground or this game will never be great.
RootCatz and Wardi are really good couple.
Serral: I’m a world champion and my best matchup is versus terran, in which my winrate is 20% higher than the second highest rank player.
Terrans: REEEE ZERG OP!!!
honestly, i dont play sc2 but love watching the tournaments. its my spectator sport, if you will.. Every time i was a zerg player play, its insane at just how fast the characters are and how every time Serral pops all his banelings, his supply is still maxed. blows my mind. Zerg does look OP
@@Guroji That can make zerg look op, but those big waves have to do serious damage or the zerg is screwed.
Generally TvZ goes like this:
Stage 1: Harassment and light pressure. Testing if the opponent will die to stupid stuff. Generally these amount to some worker kills and *maybe* a canceled hatch or a lift. In a proper game that’s as far as the damage goes.
Stage 2: Midgame. The zerg chooses their tech path (hydras or mutas) and the terran picks tanks or mines to counter (or does mines vs hydras and gets his butt kicked). Some people when going mutas stay on this stage forever.
Lategame hydra: The zerg makes lurkers, and eventually vipers, and the terran has to take an extremely mobile bio approach as he cannot at this point fight the zerg army on creep, and has to pick it apart with snipes while using liberators to keep it at bay.
Lategame muta: The zerg transitions into a tech heavy army such as infestor Broodlord. The terran requires a LOT of ghosts to zone out the zerg, and hellbats to protect them.
Eternal ling bane muta (the style you’re referring to): Terran just has to trade efficiently and keep the zerg from taking more than half of the bases while fighting with, usually, marine medivac mine (though there will usually be a few thors and tanks mixed in if the terran gets into a good position). The terran can easily trade better than the zerg, usually trading out 2-1 if they’re even on skill. The challenge is keeping the zerg economy in check without splitting up too much.
@@misspurdy27288 i appreciate the detailed response! :)
@@Guroji Yeah, if you look at just a couple battles the zerg looks OP, but pay attention to how much the terran loses.
The thing that makes serral so dangerous he has an 80% winrate, is that he’s more cautious than most zergs who play the style, while still being willing to pounce hard on terran armies when the time comes. Thus the usual ‘three armies for the cost of one’ doesn’t really apply
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I still wait to see a day in which a zerg win is not complained by balance problems. When the opposite happen, terran player is a beast able to beat an op race... what a bad losers...
Zerg is OP though... seems like every unit for zerg is just dumb look at banglings and zerglings they are so fast and strong and useful all the time... tanks have to stay still to do damage so does the air unit ... js i feel like it takes a lot more skill and set up for a terran player than just spaming ling bane until late game... hell u can even move your turrets and they self repair like damn im not being biased i just feel like some minor changes to terran and protoss would make a more competitive match
Where is tasteless and the other guy they were way better to listen to
They are in Korea
I'm not sure why they even bother making ultra, worst unit
Terran tears make me happy.
Dang this is top comment and I saw it before I could watch the game. Gonna find an extension to turn off comments unless opened explicitly.
TY plays so good but zerg aclick wins again
it seems that when both races play perfectly, zerg is unbeatable. terran needs the zerg to make mistakes to win
Lmao when the terran player would be the equivalent of serral with zerg , terran would win. Serral is the better player thats all.
@@Stria110 nope. from the tournament you have Z and P players who beat serral. Yet the T players are as equally mechnically gifted as those Z and P players so it's the race that is the disadvantage. Not even a single map was taken off but u have people like Solar and Trap who beat serral
@@benchua7100 Serral went to the ace vs clem very recently, and hasn’t really run into top terrans.
He currently has an 80% winrate vs terran, yes. But lets compare that to his fellow top zerg Reynor who only has a 60%, same as his other matchups.
It’s not that terran is bad, it’s that Serral is extremely good at TvZ.
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Catz is an og but who is this other clown
Ty just gave up, kneel down to the op race
@hunt mark Serral is just in a league of his own. He just tripple O-ed the two time GSL winner. If Zerg was OP we would have more Zerg players winning the GSL. Which we don't so stop complaining.
@@geraldleuven169 zerg has been op over 2 years, check the fuk out liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments and take a fking look at 2019 and 2020. how many zergs had won, the results has been archived in the fuking page, you still trying to deny it by saying zerg wasn't op??? zerg has way higher mistake toleranz and op units in later game. even protoss struggling vs zerg.
@@kafkick82 the race is not op, the problem is zerg has the highest potential, meaning you have a lot more room for improvement than the other 2 races. That's why in recent years, once the zerg players got good enough they became harder to beat than the other 2 races. Don't forget that the pro scene is very different than the rest of the world.
@@OTSS97 the biggest micro potential has terran(can be the most efficient with perfect micro). Its just that broken macro of zerg that allows them to throw units
@@mh-fh2vy then why does every pro and caster agree that the race with the biggest potential is in fact zerg and not terran ?
Don't get me wrong, I don't even play the game, but from what I've heard zeg just has more potential