The Blazers once scored with six players on the floor and the NBA had to allow it | Weird Rules
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- What do you call it when the refs don't notice you do something that breaks the rules until it's too late? Is that cheating? Or is that just negligence by the officials? Whatever it is, the Portland Trail Blazers got away with one back in 2008 against the Boston Celtics.
They managed to score while six players were on the court. Boston noticed. The refs didn't. But the points had to stand. So just what happened, and how could the NBA fix such an egregious gap in the rules that allowed everyone to live with this?
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Is no one going to say how the trail blazers commented?
Bruh
Ha
You should really sign that guy that commented first hes really good
Are we just not going to talk about how the guy who scored with 6 men on the court is named OUTLAW!
Insolent Crow And the team that year was nick named the “Jail Blazers”
@@cakejerry3283 nope, you're about a decade off but good try
Yeah and he wasn't very good lol
Sentinel The Sniper lol those weren’t the Jail Blazers
@@BrickSand It was memorable for that JailBlazers
I would absolutely hate to be the Ref having to listen to *KEVIN GARNETT* yell at me for allowing 6 dudes onto the court, I'm pretty sure I'm crying at halftime.
Na, cause he let the score stand. Weak man wouldv caved, the ref didnt care about Garnett
@@brokenking5044 cave? he was a moron and refused to acknowledge his mistake. A real man would have admitted his mistake and took the points off. Hell they could have reset the clock and play. But instead. He was too stubborn to admit his mistake. Hope he got fired.
@@brettt141 actually... given that there isn't really anything in the rules about it at the time, no. the ref kinda can't do whatever he wants, which is what you're saying to do. i mean, it's not like the refs have a huge amount of autonomy in general, which making one of those decisions requires. i mean, that is about as much no man's land for a ref as you're gonna get.
@@Darthtanos since there is no rule then there is nothing to follow. So he can do what he wants in that situation and Guessing most arent going to be like 6 people seems ok.
@@brettt141 Lol. No, that's not how it works. If there's no rule, refs can't just make their own. Obviously, you're either a Garnett fan, or a Boston fan, probably the latter, but the lack of a rule means the NBA screwed up, not the ref. The ref should have seen it, of course, and stopped the play. Regardless, anything that makes Garnett angry is awesome. That guy was the dirtiest dude I've ever seen. I love that someone got to cheat against him.
Blazers pulled their goalie.
toptenguy1 ThE bLazErs dOnt PlAy hOckEy DuMbO!
Lmfao 😂😂
Jake Shattuck bro your the one who got wooshed here
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No, they were on a power play.
As a Spurs fan I can say that the Spurs have done this multiple times with varying degrees of success.
True as I am also Spurs fan
Would you be able to link some Spurs 6-man plays?
Ofc pop did that
@@GokuexplosivO th-cam.com/video/fk95HxR9EZQ/w-d-xo.html this is the one I remember. There are a few more
Spurs baby
- 2007-08 season
- NBA finals
- Puts all 14 men on the court
- No one can do anything
- you win in a blow out
Aiden Kennedy realistically the refs would give them like 9 techs...right?
Haha!
@@PotatoeSnow Extra person was a tech foul always. And penalty and game stop was a case. Sure it is, how else it could be?
What really happend here, refs first time in history miss this violation. Which happens from time to time. I mean ref mistakes. What really makes this case stand out is that a mistake by the judges can lead to a replay.
Cygnus X-420 As an Official I can say yes you’d stack one for each offence so yes if you played with 9 extra men you’d get 9 techs probably more though because there’s rules against trying to fool the Officials etc as in trying to be deceptive/intentionally break the rules.
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Very recent, but you should do a Weird Rules on John Harbaugh's holding strategy to end a game in 2016. This was so ingenious that the NFL banned it after the season.
Adam Moreira
Such a smart decision.
One of the few good decisions he made
Not to mention.....the Super Bowl.
Don’t get it... explain?
I don’t know about this. Care to explain?
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What even is a catch anymore and other questions everyone at home is asking
Really?
Nobody's done it yet?
Fine, I'll do it myself.
That would be pretty good!
The nba must have made the biggest shrug ever xD
I think that just describes the NBA as a whole.
@Stupid Google pretty much
hammer time
This is one of my favorite series on SB Nation
Factual information
Kyrin Thomas ya learn some history while laughing at the abysmal structure of said history.
Roguish Miggz #QuestForSix
Roguish Miggz rewinder takes a long time to get to the point also but I like this series more
You guys literally had a built in joke with the guy who scored the basket being named OUTLAW. Like how do you guys pass on a missed opportunity like that? A renegade team playing with six men and an Outlaw to spearhead the assault to the rules lol
He has a team.
@@MPcurtis6 you seem to be talking about yourself
The joke was that they said nothing when obviously they could have said anything. Not even a wink, not a nod, not even a slight inflection in speech to acknowledge it. That made it 10x more funny.
The Spurs tried this in a playoff game against the Mavs in 2014, but didn't score, so the Mavs "declined" the penalty
@Brian Wolfskill they didn’t score with six v. five? Lmao. The spurs won that series right?
@@florebulaon6245 yeah, they won the chip that year
I could see a team swinging the ball around the three point line and the sixth man stepping off the bench and hitting a 3 from the corner
Steph curry almost did that once
Steph curry be like gets off the bench to get a drink and pulls off a defender accidentally 😂
In Basketball there is no vision requirement for referees lol
I feel this way in the NHL sometimes
I see you’ve never gotten certified to be a Basketball Official.
Could explain why I wonder about the refs and if they're blind sometimes.
This applies to mlb and the nfl too
just turn basketball into calvinball to create the perfect sport
I dont see enough Calvin and Hobbes references on the internet. Thank you.
Epic
Stuffed tigers should be allowed in the nba 😁
I could see a team swinging the ball around the three point line and the sixth man stepping off the bench and hitting a 3 from the corner
Imagine getting into a boomerang zone or the invisible zone
SB Nation is the best sports channel on TH-cam.
Hands down.
Preach brotha
100%
In my opinion*
Idk you guys should check out KTO
For not being Jon Bois, you guys are all right.
Not quite pretty good...but decent!
Statutory Grape yep, these two are the best after jon. Seth especially is great in beef history.
I'm pretty sure everyone at SB Nation is Jon Bois.
Here's an idea for a Weird Rules episode: the "Underarm bowling incident of 1981", in which the sport of Cricket learned that it is, in fact, NOT sportsmanlike for the bowler (pitcher) to literally bowl the ball across the ground so the batter can't get a good hit on it -- especially during a World Cup final. A rule to that effect was created as a direct result of the game. Not exactly a popular sport here in America, but still interesting...
The Chappell incident?
@@vidishkarkera2630 yes
Imagine this: there's a two point game with seconds to end, the losing team steals the ball and the guy goes for an uncontested lay up. What if someone from the winning teams bench gets inside and defends the lay-up? I mean, they'll get a technical, but they'll only concede 1 point instead of 2, I wonder how viable this strategy is...
The points would count too, in 2022 Cavs played the Hornets, and during dead ball someone from the Cavs bench touched Terry Rozier while he was taking the three. It wouldn't have been a problem, but one of the refs didn't realise that it was already a dead ball since Dean Wade stepped out of bounds like 4 seconds prior. But long story short, that three point basket by Rozier was counted in (even tho he missed) and the Hornets shot a free throw as well. So unfortunately no, it wouldn't work, and instead of conceding 2 points you would allow 3
He took "sixth-man" to a whole other level.
that ending reminds me of a concept I thought of last year: double basketball. Basically it works as follows:
1 Basketball court
4 teams playing two independent 1v1 games
2 basketballs which are both live for both teams
If you foul a member of a team you are not facing, they get a free throw which gives your opponent a point (this is to prevent fouling to steal one of the live balls from a non-opponent)
This is, in my opinion, the maximum possible chaos possible in any sporting event while maintaining just enough sense to be theoretically playable as a sport.
oh hey, you could do that with almost every sport
@@kwibloupthesomething 4 men enter the octagon and two of them gang up on one dude at a time
What's better and more plausible (i have actually played this) is soccer with a square field, 4/8 teams, each with their own coloured ball. You get a point for a goal in any net bar your own. Each team has a goalie and outfield players
how have you not rewinded the immaculate reception yet?!?!?!?!
fyukfy cause its overrated
Probably they made a substitution and the player who had to get out didn't notice
Or possibly the coach drew up a play for five guys AND a guy to inbound the ball.
Imagine the amounts of fouls you could get away in a 12 on 12 game
The comment at :28 seconds made me look up the ratios. NFL - 22 players to 7 on field officials = 3.14 players per official, NBA 10 players to 3 officials = 3.33 players per official. So the NFL the better "Player to Official" ratio better for the officials :)
@@markdavis7397 lmao
True, plus NBA has horrible referees
According to the commentators on the clip of that game it was Oden who was supposed to go out, not Bayliss
One sport I would say criminally underrepresented in this series is rugby. I know americans aren't too familiar with it, but it's a motherlode of byzantine rules. One example is some teams will not make contact with a maul, which by definition does not create an offside line, which allows them to just go around and tackle from behind, which is normally super forbidden.
LeCygneNoir more specifically They should review the Italy v England game from the 6 nations where the Italians never joined rucks so they were all just standing behind the ruck.
@@finlayson6868 Weird rules: "There's a game where you can't pass the ball forward."
@chrismackenzie1994 I think I remember the ref constantly yelling "no ruck, tackle only" every time that happened.
Can you please do a deep rewind on the 2014 world cup match between Brazil and Germany
Good idea!! 👍
Didn't Germany clap Brazil tho
Should be a collapse episode instead. Rewind is more for individual moments than entire games
@@ibefullofme yeah a great example of a rewind is lucas moura's game winning goal against ajax in the second leg of the Champions League semi final
@@ibefullofme imo Brazil v Germany should be a "the worst" episode
NHL Video Goal review rule...where one team can score, and it actually can be nullified because the other team scored first but it went unnoticed
That has been alleviated somewhat. Now, the situation room can buzz down to the arena and play would be stopped if the horn blows if they notice that the puck went in.
@@AEMoreira81 true...although I hate that it's all consolidated in Toronto. put the goal judges back on the glass and bring the video goal judges back in house
In game 3 of the 2009 Stanley Cup Finals between the Penguins and Red Wings (Hockey), the Penguins had 6 skaters for about 20-25 seconds and neither the refs nor the Red Wings noticed.
J Shu oh yeah I forgot all about that lol
Nhl refs are probably the worst of the 4 major American sports tbh
Chris Ross wouldnt call nhl a major american sport, soccer takes its place
@SB Nation, can you guys do a rewind about vince carter dunking over that 7'1 dude at the olympics?
Right at the top of the video they mention that the "player to referee ratio" makes a difference, but 10-3 (basketball) and 22-7 (football) are basically the same ratio...
David Pierce size of field
Sometimes I feel like these sports coaches graduated with a law degree
When I was playing in a basketball league when I was 9, I did that exact thing but I played defense until I relized I might have cheated and ran my fat thumb in my ass person to the bench, we lost by double digits and nothing happened really during that play
Sixers just had 6 guys on the court against my Bulls, lol
Sometimes your content is good but I hate these fake little 'we're just chatting' conversations that serve as intros. Like we're supposed to think we just walked in on two nerds (said with love) talking about this with HYPER SPECIFIC EXAMPLES AND RULEBOOK SITINGS. Just be what you are
i have actually had sort of similar conversations (mostly with my cousin about soccer), but yeah, it is kind of fake.
If you've never seen a 'your intro is dumb' comment on youtube I'd like to be the first to officially welcome you to the internet
who else thinks NBA refs are horrible now
Please do a weird rules on the Brabhma BT46 F1 fan car
Or the Tyrell P34 6-wheeler
Yes! The episode on the Brabham would be great, when F1 had to ban a car because they literally strapped a massive fan to the back of it lmao
I have no idea what you're talking about, but now I need to know.
Along these lines, the 1988 America's Cup would be a good one.
@Michael Wade yup, a Formula 1 team in the seventies strapped an industrial sized fan to the back of their car AND IT ACTUALLY WORKED REALLY WELL! I don't wanna say anything else unless they actually do an episode on it
@@FlameDragon72 So did it result in them banning coyotes from building Formula One cars then?
If you like basketball when it resembles football, go back and watch 90's games between the Pacers and Knicks, or Pistons/Celtics from the late 80's.
Who watching this after the Sixers bulls game
Do a rewinder on the David Freese homerun
Hell yeah
Lol I was at that game. No, I didn't notice it when it happened. I just thought, "Wow, that inbound play led to a wide open basket. Sweet"
Do another video on collapse on the Arizona Cardinals
TH-cam doing yall dirty. I've been looking for this video for days. I typed in almost the exact title and I still couldn't find it. I'm so lucky it randomly popped up
It sounds like at 6:10 that you two just invented the "XBA" 😅 I'd watch that. 😏
I remember watching this game. Kevin Garnett absolutely lost it. I'm a Celtics fan but watching Garnett yell at a ref was always hilarious, his body language was something else, even when it was his fault.
Could we have a collapse of the 2003 Lakers until now?
Elite Ethereal they won a ring 6 years later in 2009
Hammad S then against in 2010
the series that made me sub to this channel... keep it up
Yo, this one time a trainer from a soccer team straight up bloacked a guaranteed goal that was major in importance. Its in portuguese, but yall have google up there for sure: globoesporte.globo.com/mg/zona-da-mata-centro-oeste/noticia/2013/09/em-jogo-polemico-aparecidense-go-segura-empate-e-elimina-tupi-mg.html
You just described some of the lunchtime basketball games that used to happen in middle school where there were just so many people on the court. Also, P.E. games.
I like Seth's alternate idea of allowing the opposing team extra players too. lol. What if the NBA did things like the NHL, fouls led to time in the penalty box instead of free throws? NBA powerplays!
In hockey, you can pull the goalie for an extra man as well.
@@SimuLord maybe they should allow goaltending
@@rebeccatrishel Boban would suddenly be the most wanted NBA player
Y'all mean... kuroko no basket
The 1/5/12 game between WKU vs. Louisiana Lafayette was decided on a play that ended the game in OT with 6 players on the court. Refs didn't notice until the game was over.
Ummm. Don’t wanna be the one to burst anyone’s bubble but...
If the NBA has a 10/3 player-to-referee ratio, that’s 3.33 players per ref.
The NFL is a 22/7 player-to-referee ratio, which is 3.14 players per ref.
It’s actually easier to pull this in the NBA
Smaller field tho
"Throbbing mass of human flesh"
What sport wouldn't benefit from this?
Michael Biscay I’d like to see 50 people on a tennis court at the same time
Marcos Moussallem now that would be a tennis game
Another weird rule:
(sorry for my bad english first :D)
There is the fifa world ranking system, which has been used in order to rank national football teams by strength and then putting them into four different pots in the 2018 World Cup draw.
This ranking takes each nations X (not sure about the exact number) last games (friendlies, qualifiers...) in consideration and gives them points, based on whether they won or lost, who there opponent was and how important the game was (friendlies < qualifiers).
Therefore the polish team decided not to participate in friendlies that often and if they did, having a fourth substitution (illegal) during the game, if they were about to lose. This didn’t even matter for any kind of competition as it was a friendly but it made the game irrelevant for the fifa ranking as the result had to be annulled.
By that strategic Poland managed to sneak into the pot of the 8 best teams, so that they had rather bad opponents in their 2018 World Cup group.
Fun fact: in the end they finished last in their group and got eliminated. 😂
The clock stops and forces a jump ball situation any time the ball gets lodged in the rim. In some FIBA organizations, the possession alternated based in who got the last 'jump ball'.
Provided that the next possession would belong to Team A. Could team A, in theory, lodge the ball in the rim after an opponent's free throw as time is winding down in order to stop the clock, call a timeout, and advance the ball?
I love that the player who scored was named OUTLAW #pointheist
6:27 “THROBBING MASS OF HUMAN FLESH”
Talk about the catch rule. I need some clarification on wtf a catch is
Nobody knows
A catch is when in full control of the ball a player is down. A down is when any two parts of the leg have hit the field, or from the thighs up, excluding the hands, including the elbow, any one part of the body has hit the field...play only stops after a catch when the player has been touched out. Again, by two parts of the opponents body.
Just realized 09 is a decade ago. Damn.
It’s like a different world back then
2 decades
2:18 This is literally the plot of Kuroko no Basket (Kuroko's Basketball, anime/manga series)... except with the 5th player popping out of nowhere. lol
Yeah what a great series
I somehow guessed the Trail Blazers
I thought it would be vs the pacers though
"Sheepish back" has got to be the best quote from this video.
Anyone here after the sixers snuck one guy on court to distract the defense?
as a preds fan i say losing the final game of the stanley cup just because the dumbass ref lost sight of the puck is worse
Fun fact: In most Australian rules football leagues (not including the AFL), if one team is caught with an extra player on the field at any point, that team's score is immediately reset to 0, the caveat being that the other team's captain has to notice and ask the umpire for a head count. For those who don't know, footy has teams of 18 men on a huge oval field, with almost unlimited rolling substitutions and final scores similar to the NBA.
There was actually an incident last year here in South Australia, where North Adelaide won the State league semi-final after having 19 on the field for four minutes during the final quarter. The league admitted the error but refused to change the result, and North went on to win the Grand Final. The league promptly changed the rule, allowing more people to call for a head count and changing the penalty to a free kick advanced 50 metres rather than the score reset.
nice! always love a bit of rules haggling. i wish these dudes would cover more sports than just the big 4 american ones more often.
It's a rule in the AFL, too
Looks like something Kuroko could get away with.
Zytran L Yeah, he could have really exploited this.
Kuroko no basket go hard.
Nice episode, but I have to correct Seth on one thing. The NBA player-ref ratio is 10/3, which is 3.33 players per referee. The NFL ratio is 22/7, or 3.14 players per ref. Which means it's better for the officials in the NFL.
msolec2000 good catch brother
Wow, pi players per official on an NFL field.
I love the drawings in this series
1:29 *peen* alized
Is it me or did he say peenalized
Easier in NFL bruh their like 4 5 ref s on field and more on the side line
SB nation is so bad at making these videos...but they’re the only ones who make them so I gotta watch 😂
lol lola these are amazing wym
The dude on the right could impersonate Bill Simmons
Brian Scalebrine> MJ
Sir Donald Bradman please.
Seriously I will write a draft for free, and he could fit almost any series you are doing or might want to do. Just give it some consideration, the greatest sportsman of all time deserves it.
Cold Snap you mean besides Australia, his birthplace?!
@Cold Snap also South Africa, Zimbabwe, Kenya, the West Indies, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Sri Lanka. Second most followed and played sport on the planet. Just the countries you mentioned are around a third of the world's population. Also they do stories about ice hockey and baseball, so...
@Cold Snap that would analogous to football not cricket. Also you said they shouldn't cover it because no one cares about it, that's why I mentioned how many people care about it as a counter.
@Cold Snap haha what? Is this your first ever argument? Even if that was somehow related there are people in the us who play cricket anyway? There's even a pretty cool documentary about a cricket club in Compton on TH-cam I think.
@Cold Snap also who the hell cares about going to the moon anymore? That hasn't been cool since the 70's.
Disappointed it wasn't the Sixers who did this.
There is a way that a player can remain in the game despite fouling out, just that every foul past his 6th counts as a technical and results in free throws. Worth an episode. Think it happened to Drummond a few years back? I may be wrong on that last bit though.
i thought there was already a video on that?
*THIS YEARS SIXTH MAN OF THE YEAR GOES TO.....*
I hope the Raptors win the finals
Caleb Collings bruh ggs
I was at this game as a little kid and now looking back it’s amazing to know i was apart of history
I once played a team and my team was up by like 40 and they had six players at one point and... Still didn't score 😳
Katherine Madden yea I’m pretty sure if you guys are up by 40 they’re just incapable of competing. They’d need at least 10.
When the Hawks and the heat had to redo the last minute of a game because the ref DQed shaq thinking he had 6 fouls when he only had 5
I remember everything about this play. The word out of the locker room was Oden was subbed out, but forgot, and walked back out onto the court after the timeout.
I had to look at the actual footage, and it confirms this. The coach calls Oden over right after the play and talks to him.
In australian rules, you are only allowed to have 18 on the field per team at any one time. the rule they have in place is actually to halt the game, and call for a player count, if one team has too many players, their WHOLE score for the match until the point of infringement will be deducted, and their score reset to 0, no matter what point in the game
Voroxreviews that’s intense imagine making that mistake your whole teams gonna hate yo ass
Kuroku no Basuke
George Bush’s first pitch in the World Series after 9/11 deserves a huge rewind
I remember watching this when it happened. Mike Rice the play by play guy for blazers at the time said he would still be coaching basketball if he knew he could get away with that play.
Just subscribed, big fan of this channel
So in a world cup soccer match, Luis Suarez intentionally batted the ball with his hands, and the result was winning the game.
Just him in general, also he bit a few opponents. Now I'm a fan of him and his country when they play(in fact he is my favorite soccer player) but I'm sure he has made rules off of his antics. If possible, it would be great to do a video on him and his controversial antics that made his name, especially the handball that got his team to win. Best support to the channel!
This happened yesterday
This could have been a 2 minute video
Is a team allowed to have 5 players on the court with one out of bounds in bounding the ball? Technically he is not on the floor then.
@Erik Lerström figured so, thx for the reply.
Like in Kuruko no Basketball the Generation of miracles played with 6 people,
(not confirmed but Kuruko could have done it).
I don't think they ever actually played with 6 people they probably just had 6 really talented guys but sure.
I should probably finish watching that anime though. Kinda bored me after a while.
@@AzureKite It motivated to play Basketball, their powers were cool.
Raptors in 7
Ricky VanDusen 5
6
NASCAR had a good rule exploitation situation, Jeff Burton in the 2002 All-Star Race took his mandatory pit stop on the final lap so instead of having to drive the pit road speed limit for the entire pit road he only had to cross the finish line on pit road
That was good strategy
10 years ago = recently =)
You guys should do Hazard's goal vs Spurs to win Leicester the Premier League for Rewinder
yessse
Am I the only one that notice he said 11+11=24 😂😂😂
This is a great series and I barely follow US sports at all (british "soccer" fan here). There seems to many more weird loopholes in football and basketball compared to soccer. Is it just because the ruleset in soccer is smaller? Or maybe its because in soccer, the ref has a great deal of leeway to make decisions; there's a lot of "in the opinion of the referee" in the Laws. But like I say, I don't know too much about these sports in particular, so maybe I'm talking nonsense.