So I haven’t finished watching the video yet, from an ATR driver I can say that you have done the majority of the set up and checks correctly, which is really nice to see considering that most pilots doing msfs “tutorials” do it all wrong… regarding the TRU, leave it alone, it’s safe guarded for a reason, don’t listen to what other people have to comment, it’s function is an emergency power source should both DC generators fail, “transformer rectifier unit” takes AC power from the propeller AC wild generators, and turns it into DC power to keep essential systems running. But so far, well done!
Very informative video. As a professional pilot, you catch a lot of things a regular simmer like me wouldn't be aware of. Despite not being perfect, it's a fun plane to fly.
From Magnar's different videos, a few points, - the TRU should be on through out the flight, it's part of the electronic checklist as well in MSFS ATR, it was not previously part of the official checklist but was added by ATR after some reports of display unit black out during flight. - The ATR 42 has more torque in CRZ settings compared to climb settings. This was done to match the promised cruising speed by ATR. - The prop brake needs hydraulic pressure to both engage and disengage. And lastly about the ATR 42 auto rotating, for me, the 42 variant always did this and I had to set the trim a bit less to avoid that. The 72 version doesn't auto rotate for me even after this update. Since you said that this is the first time you are flying the ATR 42 on this channel, assuming you hadn't done it off stream, maybe, you didn't notice this.
Thanks for pointing those out! Indeed, first time flying the ATR 42. I was aware of the 72 doing that on its first release, but that got fixed. I just assumed they would have done the same on the 42. Now what does that tell us about which variant people are flying... LOL
one thing that Magnar's startup guide has which other streamers don't do: he starts the engine pumps during the first overhead flow. from memory, he said they're needed to get a correct measurement of the amount of fuel uploaded.
Please do an RNAV approach and see if you can maintain the "Flight Path" ramp after engaging APP mode. For me even after the update it continues to get lost on the ramp always going down below the V-PATH profile.
Nice and complet review. Normally I dont watch long videos but after coupe of minutes I was hoccked until the end! I will check now if I can change STARS in flight. I had problem with that... Thanks again
Thanks for showing the new Prop Brake procedure, I struggled the whole morning because I didn't manage to set it off again as this has changed from the previous version. Have you already noticed that (at least with the 72), the simbrief cargo and passenger weight values don't match the values in the MSFS Payload menu ! Only the fuel weight does match. So my ATR 72 was 6000lb heavier than what was copied from simbrief into the FMC ! 🤔
Atr is the one of the most iconic propellers of the modern commercial aviation The developer has made a good job. I hope in the next future the developer will improve the cockpit with a new resizing. PFD and ND are terrible, you cannot see every number, you need 4 pair of glasses to see the altitude and so on ... PMDG is the best example with its works on the cockpits Go Mr. Hans Hartmann the Atr deverve much more ...
Agree strongly. As a young guy, I had 20/15 vison. Not anymore. I find the ATR displays to be very difficult to read. Zooming on them really limits your ability to see outside or anything else on the flight deck.
Did you skip cold and dark, weights, and hotel mode because they freeze up the EFB or the hotel mode will not undo itself when you want to get the prop turning? I spent way too much time dealing with these new issues that were not present in the ATR before the update. Well done, lad.
My new bugs are the radio is one woth no power on and i have to cycle the screens power to get the correct display and for the click spots and control buttons to work. Center display also doesn't show fuel for me.
This is a bit off subject. In order to be able to fly the ATR using the condition levers, I purchased the Bravo throttle quad, believing it was the obvious choice to be able to fly both the 737 and the ATR. After a week or so of struggling with setup tutorials, I got it working fairly well. But then, flying the ATR, my #1 throttle started dropping out of The Notch to flight idle. I kept pushing it back up, it kept dropping out. No one seemed to have any clues. I contacted Honeycomb and after trying a couple of things, they said I would need to send it back for exchange. They surprised me and said the RMA would be coming. Huh? Why not immediately? I had it all boxed up. Over a week later, still no RMA and I demanded a response. Honeycomb admitted they have lost their shipping and supply contractors. That sounds like they are outta money. Great. Now the ATR is in the hangar and I am back to my cheap Seiko TQ. It works well on XP Zibo 737, and I can get by with it on MFS PMDG. What other TQ has condition levers?
Hey bro do u know if this aircraft works with button shortcut auto engine start and autopilot I map Toto my control then I use it on the crj and autopilot will not engage
Thx for video as always not a plane I fly much. Making progress clearly on some things but 2 steps forward 1 step back 😂. Shame simbrief is buggy im not sure how they missed the bug could try various ones see what it does but even if one type doesn’t work still needs fix. Liked the ‘we taxi to the nicest bit’ 😊.
I didn't look closely but it seems like maybe it didn't import the airway portion of the route, but only a few DCT waypoints? Haven't used the update but i know when loading the flight plan from the file it would tend to get stuck when trying to change arrival info and you had to use new dest to reset that (sometimes losing a waypoint in the process). It feels like they don't actually do real operations when they test this stuff. Airways are used all the time IRL but I can see how somebody just using a short test autoroute might not get them.
I was a bit surprised this slipped through as well. However: ATR is using this Addon on the Paris Air Show as a demonstrator. I'm 99% sure there was an internal deadline to have it out in time for that, regardless how the state is. They'll probably patch it up afterwards as they simply ran out of time.
And now watching the rest, all I can say is well done. Maybe a bit too quick and procedural for non-aviators who don’t necessarily understand what all of the systems and things do though? But other than that 9,8/10
heya mate, amazing video. Have they improved the configuration or made it easier to configure throttles? As the last update broke my thrustmaster boeing tca throttle and reversers didnt work.
Don’t you think the ATR 72 is underpowered ? Haven’t tried the new update yet but with the previous version I could not take off from LESU and that is a real airport from which this aircraft operates.
@@joseignacio673 Just tried LESU and you're right. It's a big problem because the ATR is designed for shorter runways which is what I intended on using it for yet in the simulator it doesn't have the acceleration power to reach rotation speed.
I'm not convinced that if the propellers really came loose in real life, the fuselage could really take the impact without severe damage. I'm not sure they can really test it either, even if they blow up an engine on purpose they can't accurately control where the propellers would fly.
I could ask the return question: Why would I use the sideways arrow keys? I just use up and down. Be aware you got a lot of view functions you can assign in the menus.
You were cracking me up in this video. “I don’t like these seats, could catch a stray propeller blade.” Lol! Keep up the great vids. Can we expect a live stream soon?
Maybe - and that's a very big maybe - over the weekend. I wouldn't count on it though, I'm closing my theoretical A330 exam and you can imagine what my time goes into.
I really wish they would go back to the prop simulation they had at the beginning. It looked more realistic in my opinion. Now it looks like a normal prop at idle.
@@richbonneau ive done that already to. ppl have been saying that all over the website that shall not be named. sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt. it lets me turn it off only when i kill the engine, i can do a startup out of the mode.
Im at work and dont have the time to watch the whole 1 hour video. Thanks to Emanuel for the incredible work but what interest me most is if the cabin light is fixed😂😂😂😂 Can we now turn it on without getting out whole cockpit in daytime illumination? 😂😂
Well, the same is true for being next to the jet engine turbines. If a blade snaps and it is uncontained, passengers die. The reinforced section of the ATR next to the props is for slinging off ice, not stopping a prop.
Don't exist on this airframe. The 400 and 600 have modern avionics throughout. The 300 and 500 are the ones with the analogue Cockpit. Personally I never understand why people would want to go back to analogue. Modern avionics are much easier to use and way more reliable.
Check if you set your pilot Id properly in the panel that comes out when you click on the login button, happened to me and i noticed the mistyped I'd there.
ATR uses it on their booth at the Paris Air Show, I would bet money on an internal deadline, whatever the cost. They'll probably patch it up thereafter.
@@A330Driver I think the flight computer programming still has errors. I tried inserting a different way point into a flight plan. After selecting DTO and EXEC the aircraft didn't accept the new way point.
I'm glad they're improving the ATR, but personally, the cockpit layout (especially the size and spacing between the PFD, MFD screens, etc.) kills all the immersion for me, and I'm afraid there's no intention to change it. I feel like I'm flying a prototype or a demo version of the ATR instead of an airline ATR.
That might very well be the case indeed, Asobo is very close to Toulouse airport and since they had support by ATR themselves they probably surveyed the one aircraft they have over there: The demonstrator. And that one's still the original -300, which they converted into a -500 and later a -600. Checking out some things like a physical clock in the cockpit that would point to it indeed being the prototype.
The 600s have the screens that close. Look up flying with magnar, he's a 72-600 captain and you can see they are this close in the real aircraft too in his videos
@@raymarshall6721 man, I don't mean to offend you, but you must be practically blind if you can't appreciate the difference between the real ATR screens and this one. I'm aware that I'm overly meticulous, but I truly believe that in this case, it's glaringly obvious. In the real standard ATR cockpit the gap between the PFD and the MFD is non existent. Besides, the size doesn't seem quite accurate either. It's evident that they used a training model or whatever ATR provided them with to model the cockpit, instead of a standard ATR cockpit like the one any airline might use.
They don't aim to be near PMDG though. I think the level of complexity of the ATR is enough for what 99% of simmers will use on their vast majorities of flights. Also note they did not market it as study level, but they invented a new term "expert series" without disclosing what that actually means. Only later it came out that the term simply means they had support from the real airplanes manufacturer during the programming of the addon.
But Emi you're not a real pilot, stop trying to fake it ;) Thank you so much for all the content! I did my first 737 full sim the other week (3 hours, 3 landings), the instructor was pretty impressed lmao, all thanks to you!
So I haven’t finished watching the video yet, from an ATR driver I can say that you have done the majority of the set up and checks correctly, which is really nice to see considering that most pilots doing msfs “tutorials” do it all wrong… regarding the TRU, leave it alone, it’s safe guarded for a reason, don’t listen to what other people have to comment, it’s function is an emergency power source should both DC generators fail, “transformer rectifier unit” takes AC power from the propeller AC wild generators, and turns it into DC power to keep essential systems running. But so far, well done!
Very informative video. As a professional pilot, you catch a lot of things a regular simmer like me wouldn't be aware of. Despite not being perfect, it's a fun plane to fly.
Thanks! Indeed it is a lot of fun to fly the ATR. It's a great little plane.
From Magnar's different videos, a few points,
- the TRU should be on through out the flight, it's part of the electronic checklist as well in MSFS ATR, it was not previously part of the official checklist but was added by ATR after some reports of display unit black out during flight.
- The ATR 42 has more torque in CRZ settings compared to climb settings. This was done to match the promised cruising speed by ATR.
- The prop brake needs hydraulic pressure to both engage and disengage.
And lastly about the ATR 42 auto rotating, for me, the 42 variant always did this and I had to set the trim a bit less to avoid that. The 72 version doesn't auto rotate for me even after this update. Since you said that this is the first time you are flying the ATR 42 on this channel, assuming you hadn't done it off stream, maybe, you didn't notice this.
Thanks for pointing those out! Indeed, first time flying the ATR 42. I was aware of the 72 doing that on its first release, but that got fixed. I just assumed they would have done the same on the 42. Now what does that tell us about which variant people are flying... LOL
Hi, hjas the prop brake and hydraulic pressure been added to this update? Before you didn't need to worry about it?
one thing that Magnar's startup guide has which other streamers don't do: he starts the engine pumps during the first overhead flow. from memory, he said they're needed to get a correct measurement of the amount of fuel uploaded.
I'm sure there's a lot more he has! There's just nothing better than knowledge coming directly from an instructor of the real aircraft!
Thank You Captain Emanuel
Please do an RNAV approach and see if you can maintain the "Flight Path" ramp after engaging APP mode. For me even after the update it continues to get lost on the ramp always going down below the V-PATH profile.
Doesn't work, still bugged. Despite being on the changelog.
@@A330Driver really ?? wtf
@@A330Driver damn :(
omg
this plane sucks beyond hard
Nice and complet review.
Normally I dont watch long videos but after coupe of minutes I was hoccked until the end!
I will check now if I can change STARS in flight. I had problem with that...
Thanks again
Thanks for showing the new Prop Brake procedure, I struggled the whole morning because I didn't manage to set it off again as this has changed from the previous version. Have you already noticed that (at least with the 72), the simbrief cargo and passenger weight values don't match the values in the MSFS Payload menu ! Only the fuel weight does match. So my ATR 72 was 6000lb heavier than what was copied from simbrief into the FMC ! 🤔
I also had problems with prop brake and noticed weight values not matching up with the flight plan.
IRL, we almost NEVER used the prop brake. PITB.
Atr is the one of the most iconic propellers of the modern commercial aviation
The developer has made a good job. I hope in the next future the developer will improve the cockpit with a new resizing.
PFD and ND are terrible, you cannot see every number, you need 4 pair of glasses to see the altitude and so on ...
PMDG is the best example with its works on the cockpits
Go Mr. Hans Hartmann the Atr deverve much more ...
Agree strongly. As a young guy, I had 20/15 vison. Not anymore. I find the ATR displays to be very difficult to read. Zooming on them really limits your ability to see outside or anything else on the flight deck.
Did you skip cold and dark, weights, and hotel mode because they freeze up the EFB or the hotel mode will not undo itself when you want to get the prop turning? I spent way too much time dealing with these new issues that were not present in the ATR before the update. Well done, lad.
Hey, thank you for the flight to LCY!
My new bugs are the radio is one woth no power on and i have to cycle the screens power to get the correct display and for the click spots and control buttons to work. Center display also doesn't show fuel for me.
Seems the reverse thrust behavior has not been fixed. Makes it feel like its a STOL aircraft for its size LOL.
This is a bit off subject. In order to be able to fly the ATR using the condition levers, I purchased the Bravo throttle quad, believing it was the obvious choice to be able to fly both the 737 and the ATR. After a week or so of struggling with setup tutorials, I got it working fairly well. But then, flying the ATR, my #1 throttle started dropping out of The Notch to flight idle. I kept pushing it back up, it kept dropping out. No one seemed to have any clues. I contacted Honeycomb and after trying a couple of things, they said I would need to send it back for exchange. They surprised me and said the RMA would be coming. Huh? Why not immediately? I had it all boxed up. Over a week later, still no RMA and I demanded a response.
Honeycomb admitted they have lost their shipping and supply contractors. That sounds like they are outta money. Great. Now the ATR is in the hangar and I am back to my cheap Seiko TQ. It works well on XP Zibo 737, and I can get by with it on MFS PMDG.
What other TQ has condition levers?
Hey bro do u know if this aircraft works with button shortcut auto engine start and autopilot I map Toto my control then I use it on the crj and autopilot will not engage
Thx for video as always not a plane I fly much. Making progress clearly on some things but 2 steps forward 1 step back 😂. Shame simbrief is buggy im not sure how they missed the bug could try various ones see what it does but even if one type doesn’t work still needs fix. Liked the ‘we taxi to the nicest bit’ 😊.
The ATR is a fantastic plane. I dont fly it as often as I should. Need to dust it off
My ATR still dips the left wing if I let go of the controls. Very annoying, makes touchdown awkward too.
awesome! thanks for this
I love how you pick up on things, I trust you implicitly when it comes to MSFS 😎
I didn't look closely but it seems like maybe it didn't import the airway portion of the route, but only a few DCT waypoints? Haven't used the update but i know when loading the flight plan from the file it would tend to get stuck when trying to change arrival info and you had to use new dest to reset that (sometimes losing a waypoint in the process).
It feels like they don't actually do real operations when they test this stuff. Airways are used all the time IRL but I can see how somebody just using a short test autoroute might not get them.
I was a bit surprised this slipped through as well.
However: ATR is using this Addon on the Paris Air Show as a demonstrator.
I'm 99% sure there was an internal deadline to have it out in time for that, regardless how the state is.
They'll probably patch it up afterwards as they simply ran out of time.
The autorotation definitely took me by surprise at takeoff. Haven't had a chance to compare it to the other model.
And now watching the rest, all I can say is well done. Maybe a bit too quick and procedural for non-aviators who don’t necessarily understand what all of the systems and things do though? But other than that 9,8/10
heya mate, amazing video. Have they improved the configuration or made it easier to configure throttles? As the last update broke my thrustmaster boeing tca throttle and reversers didnt work.
Love your vids capt!
Don’t you think the ATR 72 is underpowered ? Haven’t tried the new update yet but with the previous version I could not take off from LESU and that is a real airport from which this aircraft operates.
Yep was having that problem from Nelson, New Zealand as well. Reaching vr right at the end of the runway
So far I never had problems, but I'll keep my eyes open.
If you have the chance try taking off from LESU
@@joseignacio673 Just tried LESU and you're right. It's a big problem because the ATR is designed for shorter runways which is what I intended on using it for yet in the simulator it doesn't have the acceleration power to reach rotation speed.
I'm not convinced that if the propellers really came loose in real life, the fuselage could really take the impact without severe damage. I'm not sure they can really test it either, even if they blow up an engine on purpose they can't accurately control where the propellers would fly.
It probably wouldn’t, but I believe these reinforcement are there to protect from ice being shed from the prop when anti ice is turned on.
Very good point actually, I didn't think about that. Makes a lot of sense though!
how can you move forward within the aircraft without having to look sideways thru the arrow keys?
I could ask the return question: Why would I use the sideways arrow keys? I just use up and down. Be aware you got a lot of view functions you can assign in the menus.
You were cracking me up in this video. “I don’t like these seats, could catch a stray propeller blade.” Lol! Keep up the great vids. Can we expect a live stream soon?
Maybe - and that's a very big maybe - over the weekend. I wouldn't count on it though, I'm closing my theoretical A330 exam and you can imagine what my time goes into.
@@A330Driver bro don’t worry about it. Focus on rolling up those exams and smoking them!! You got it my friend.
@@A330Driver Always humble Sir. Im sure you will acheive it !!
This airplane is nice but I wish they had the ATR 72-212 with the four big blades and the old style gauges.
I got type rated in those, years ago. It was slow and not beautiful, but it was a good airplane.
I really wish they would go back to the prop simulation they had at the beginning. It looked more realistic in my opinion. Now it looks like a normal prop at idle.
I have a question, what is the general speed limit for high speed runway exits?
30kts
55kt is their design speed. Some airlines limit their use to 45kt
That's for long straight taxi lines.
Amazing as usual. Very smooth into EGLC I have similar specs, do you mostly leave the Nvidia control panel stock? Thanks
I never touch it, everything is done in-sim.
would be nice if the prop brake would release. 😪
You can see at 18:45 how to do that.
@@richbonneau ive done that already to. ppl have been saying that all over the website that shall not be named. sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt.
it lets me turn it off only when i kill the engine, i can do a startup out of the mode.
@@BW-dn7dy I agree, there's something wrong with the prop brake logic.
None since. Prop brake still doesnt work right.
Anyone know if simbreif import works on xbox version aswell
Im at work and dont have the time to watch the whole 1 hour video. Thanks to Emanuel for the incredible work but what interest me most is if the cabin light is fixed😂😂😂😂 Can we now turn it on without getting out whole cockpit in daytime illumination? 😂😂
the -42 autorotation was never fixed. only the -72
Ah, lovely. Message to the Dev is out.
Love tip about not being seated beside the prop! 😂
Well, the same is true for being next to the jet engine turbines. If a blade snaps and it is uncontained, passengers die. The reinforced section of the ATR next to the props is for slinging off ice, not stopping a prop.
An Old ATR analog Cockpit would be nice you know.
Don't exist on this airframe. The 400 and 600 have modern avionics throughout. The 300 and 500 are the ones with the analogue Cockpit.
Personally I never understand why people would want to go back to analogue. Modern avionics are much easier to use and way more reliable.
@@Quotenwagnerianer 400? ATR 42-400 still has the legacy cockpit. Only -600 has the NAS...
A typo.@@chris22capt
I get an error 400 when trying to connect to simbrief, would be nice if this update came with a manual
Check if you set your pilot Id properly in the panel that comes out when you click on the login button, happened to me and i noticed the mistyped I'd there.
@@not_another_youtube_channel the pilot Id are numbers right ?
Yes, they are numbers.
@@A330Driver well I enter them from my simbrief Id and i get Http error 400 in the EFb
Why was vr less speed than v1?
23:45
Emi...I noticed V1 105 and Vr 104...is that right?
See a bit later in the vid. No, it's not right.
@@A330Driver sorry just saw that bit!
If there is still such an obvious problem with the SimBrief imports, why do software developers still release the software?
ATR uses it on their booth at the Paris Air Show, I would bet money on an internal deadline, whatever the cost. They'll probably patch it up thereafter.
@@A330Driver I think the flight computer programming still has errors. I tried inserting a different way point into a flight plan. After selecting DTO and EXEC the aircraft didn't accept the new way point.
See you had the same problem trying to enter STO to DIK - 1hr 2mins into the video
I'm glad they're improving the ATR, but personally, the cockpit layout (especially the size and spacing between the PFD, MFD screens, etc.) kills all the immersion for me, and I'm afraid there's no intention to change it. I feel like I'm flying a prototype or a demo version of the ATR instead of an airline ATR.
That might very well be the case indeed, Asobo is very close to Toulouse airport and since they had support by ATR themselves they probably surveyed the one aircraft they have over there: The demonstrator. And that one's still the original -300, which they converted into a -500 and later a -600.
Checking out some things like a physical clock in the cockpit that would point to it indeed being the prototype.
@@A330Driver considering the engineering resources available, they have no excuse not to model a production aircraft.
The 600s have the screens that close. Look up flying with magnar, he's a 72-600 captain and you can see they are this close in the real aircraft too in his videos
@@raymarshall6721 man, I don't mean to offend you, but you must be practically blind if you can't appreciate the difference between the real ATR screens and this one. I'm aware that I'm overly meticulous, but I truly believe that in this case, it's glaringly obvious. In the real standard ATR cockpit the gap between the PFD and the MFD is non existent. Besides, the size doesn't seem quite accurate either.
It's evident that they used a training model or whatever ATR provided them with to model the cockpit, instead of a standard ATR cockpit like the one any airline might use.
the VNAV PATH needs another video.
What would you like to see covered?
@@A330Driver How VNAV PATH Works. Thx
Still nowhere near PMDG ..
Or Fenix!
You cant expect PMDG study level aircraft for £20 ,
Yeah True. Be nice if it did what you wanted it to do like the 737. MSFS were the ones who marketed it as study level. That it ain't.
They don't aim to be near PMDG though. I think the level of complexity of the ATR is enough for what 99% of simmers will use on their vast majorities of flights.
Also note they did not market it as study level, but they invented a new term "expert series" without disclosing what that actually means. Only later it came out that the term simply means they had support from the real airplanes manufacturer during the programming of the addon.
But Emi you're not a real pilot, stop trying to fake it ;)
Thank you so much for all the content! I did my first 737 full sim the other week (3 hours, 3 landings), the instructor was pretty impressed lmao, all thanks to you!
😂😂😂
Good job on the full flight sim! How did you like the way the plane handled on landing?