Cool video. I have been doing this for two years now when I don't have a limb to toss my throw bag over for RAD system. I use my main rope and then at height I screw in 2 little bow holders about 180 degrees from each other. I then put a paracord loop around the tree (the bow holders keep it there for next time) I use 75' of 9mm Sterling HTP with an Alpine Butterfly (at about 25ft on the non working end so I can use it for retrieval after repelling down with my Safeguard. From then on I just use the paracord set to pull my rope up.--Sal
Love your video! I've been saddle hunting way back before it was cool. I hate sticks! More bulky crap to carry into the woods, and I hate getting sweated up climbing my tree right after walking hundreds of yards or more to get there. 90 percent of where I hunt screw in steps are allowed, after 30 years of climbing trees Cranfords or a drill are my go to. Pro's and Con's to all methods. Stay creative..
Speed kills. Slower, with continual redundant points of contact (lineman’s rope along with a tether as you climb) will make whatever routine you use better and save you from yourself should you have an issue with a mechanical device or simply make a bad move. The use of a friction hitch such as a Prusik backs up your descending device. Cheap insurance. It takes a couple more minutes but well worth it. I remind myself every time I ascend a tree that gravity never quits, and I really want to go home alive. The point I took from the video was how light and fast it can be done. Someday that may catch up with you. Be safe my friend.
Hey man, loved the video, I've been experimenting with something similar, but I was thinking about putting a small prussik with a carabiner butted up against the quick screw link i was using. The upside would be that the prussik would act as a jamming knot to keep the teather from falling, when not tentioned and then the tag end of the tether could be routed through the carabiner to make an easier way to tend slack in the tether by way of the belay devise. Hopefully that makes sense. The downside would be that slack needs to be put back into the system to shimmy the tether up the tree. So tough to make this system totally safe without becoming super inefficient.
After the demo we actually did switch it out for a delta... not only safety but it cuts down a little bit of noise from the lock on the carabiner. We know it was something extra weight but at the application/our body weight at 7kn we felt safe with it. Thanks for sharing concern and pointing it out for others as well
Nice video. Do you know when Tethrd might come out with that new pouch? What knot are you using for the tag end of the amsteel to attach it to the versa button? TIA
I’m not sure when or if they are going to be coming out with that pouch. That’s why we couldn’t wait and just made our self one. I’m using the smaller sized amsteel and creating the daisychain by interlocking the Amsteel. There’s lots of videos online for that. The tag end simply has an overhand not and we have found work just as well for making these chains. Thanks for watching
Nice vide, thanks. However this method produce too much smell (sweltering), sound and movement that I would skip it. I love climbing, but I am hunting at the moment. Please share your experience after the season - would be interesting how much you will like it by then. You will not like to pack it in a cold climate because of the amount of rotation you will have (in the dark). It is cute option for weight and mobility, but def not a main method when you hunt horns.
I use this method, and only this method in the dark, in the cold, in the rain, in the heat, and everything in-between for 2 years now. I've sat at 40+ ft, and done it for 11+ hour sits. Morning darkness to evening darkness. I sweat less than I ever did with a climber or with sticks and a hang on. It's practically effortless, and I am 270 lbs and out-of-shape, before I even get into my hunting gear. The system weighs barely a few pounds and can withstand literally TONS. The equipment is rated for thousands of pounds in static and shock pressure, and you are always attached to the tree, so it is the safest method there is for climbing. In addition, rappelling is also the safest way to descend from your tree, especially when it's cold or wet, or dark, or all of the above, because the risks of coming down on slick steps or sticks that you can't see in the dark is completely eliminated. It's also almost completely silent, once you get in a little practice, and know your system. As the saying goes: Don't knock it until you've tried it.
Any system takes a little time to get used to in this video it was the very first time we ever strapped to a tree we wanted to show what the positive are from the get go. After using it for only half the season it was extremely comfortable fast and quieter than any method we ever encountered. I’m sure I’ll be posting a follow up video by spring. There’s definitely advantages and disadvantage to every system
Hold the stick with one hand and use your other to flip the rope up higher. He does it a lot so I assume it’s easier for him than us lol. Practice makes perfect
We use a flip method where we hold each end of the Amsteel and swing it up the tree Then reach as high as we can to connect the versa button. Thanks for watching. We will address these questions with a follow up video by spring time
Yes the trick to that is have the stand off at a 45° angle and tighten your bolt down then twist a standoff to tighten it further they seem to lock in place better that way. Thanks for watching
I'd like to see someone do this in a snow storm, full winter gear, and in the dark. All of these guys demonstrate it in ideal conditions. No disrespect, I am considering using climbing tools, just don't see anyone demonstrating in real world conditions.
Kevin, if hunting in the cold the safest way I practice is with the same camo rope which is Predator that he has on the bridge of his saddle. U don't sweat pulling yourself up & it sure is nice to have in the tree when it's time to come down after hours in the tree & your hands & feet r a little cold which compromises anything in this technique or by going down on the old foot pegs. I have a couple of Oplux tethers which r great & have another one on the way so I can have 1 with a prusik & Kiss Line system from Wild Edge.
We do this in full gear in the dark using no headlamps whatsoever and we have full-size lacrosse boots... I think that’s a great idea to do a demonstration for those points to help others out there. Planning to do a follow up video by spring time addressing questions thank you for watching
This is the same method I use. The haters should do their research. There literally is nothing safer, easier, or quieter when you're practiced and your gear is properly in-spec. I do have a suggestion for TLE in regards to safety. Back up that belay device (looks like a Madrock?) with an autoblock. I use a VT Prusik (Valdotrain Tresse) below my belay device, on the tail-end of my rappelling line. I just hook the VT's carabiner through the lineman's loop on my "break-hand-side", and presto!... an extra 22-25kn of fall protection, and it really helps to smooth out your rappelling descent with that added control. Just make sure your Prusik line is at least a couple mm smaller in thickness than your rappelling line, otherwise you can run into problems with it not biting properly. Safe climbing and happy hunting sir!
I like the concept, but seems awfully loud. I know for demonstration purposes you could tone it back but real world useage, be pretty tough to stay quiet with this method.
most of the noise is from the boots haha. very quiet. As anything practice makes perfect. In hunting applications we have been using the setup flawless with minimal sound climbing.
We picked up that ladder Aider online unfortunately we don’t remember what website we used and it’s not labeled but they come in 6,8 and 12 steps. Just do a Google search and look for the blue ladder you should be able to find it. Thanks for watching. We will have some updates to the system by spring
It's a great method, but your execution is begging for an accident. There is too much slack on your tether at times, and I cringed seeing your wrist between tether and tree. You could use a stopper knot or Nite Ize to keep your tether's girth hitch from going slack.
Thanks Frank for the opinion! Tree type/pressure and line control played a role here.. but the line will not go slack or fall as easy as you would think with this method. I understand your thoughts.. that does happen with loosened pressure on a lineman belt.. But we got this. Hand under the tether... not great execution there ... not a maneuver we usually do... the bark on this particular tree was rough and sticking to the line... since the video we have added a sheath to the top portion where the hitch is and now works very smooth and protects the line. Safe hunting to you thanks for watching!
@@TightLinesEntertainment614 what type of sheath did you get? I'm using a lone wolf hand climber seat to climb and It's hard on your tether and I'm wanting to protect my tether. My method also requires sitting in your saddle multiple times and putting all your weight on your saddle and that can fray tethers quickly.
@@tomnolan2186 the oplux is very Abrasion resistant however we used a sheath that we pulled off a amsteel winch that you can purchase on Amazon for very low cost and strip the sheath off of the winch and feed your tether through it it does help to keep your rope in good condition where it contacts the tree. Use a lighter and melt the sheath to blend/glue itself to your rope👍🏼👍🏼
Digging it dude! I've used the same method with the amsteel winch line 1/4" and the sheath from that same line. What's everyone using to cut amsteel? I've tried everything in my arsenal and nothing seems to cut this stuff?
Any system takes a little time to get used to in this video it was the very first time we ever strapped to a tree we wanted to show what the positive are from the get go. After using it for only half the season it was extremely comfortable fast and quieter than any method we ever encountered. I’m sure I’ll be posting a follow up video by spring. There’s definitely advantages and disadvantage to every system
Hat cam and mic on hat might make this useful. Ya have to put yourself in the audience and see what they see hear what they hear. Bailed on you for these reasons
Thanks for the input. Check in with us this summer. This was a first for us using the system and that was the point to show easy of use. I can appreciate the comment. We have been hunting from the saddle system for some time now and have a lot more insight to share. Since the time of the video we have acquired much better filming gear and cameras. That is what your really saying about the video. Budget plays a role so take it easy on the little guys ha. Thanks for the view and comment.
Way to much going on. I use 4 sticks, I can climb just as fast, just as safe if not safer than any system out there. All these new climbing methods are rediculious.
I don’t get why people are so judge mental about other climbing methods. Just because YOU think it’s inferior to what you use doesn’t mean it truly is. I look at all climbing methods as a tool in my constantly expanding tool box.
Just my opion, the repelling down stuff is ridiculous, I think the only system I've seen that is more ridiculous are the guys that have the system that you throw the rope over the limb and pull yourself up, lol.
Cool video. I have been doing this for two years now when I don't have a limb to toss my throw bag over for RAD system. I use my main rope and then at height I screw in 2 little bow holders about 180 degrees from each other. I then put a paracord loop around the tree (the bow holders keep it there for next time) I use 75' of 9mm Sterling HTP with an Alpine Butterfly (at about 25ft on the non working end so I can use it for retrieval after repelling down with my Safeguard. From then on I just use the paracord set to pull my rope up.--Sal
Love your video! I've been saddle hunting way back before it was cool. I hate sticks! More bulky crap to carry into the woods, and I hate getting sweated up climbing my tree right after walking hundreds of yards or more to get there. 90 percent of where I hunt screw in steps are allowed, after 30 years of climbing trees Cranfords or a drill are my go to. Pro's and Con's to all methods. Stay creative..
Thanks for watching in the positive reply. Absolutely learning new methods it’s part of the game. Always trying to better ourselves. Stay connected
Im looking at 1 sticking and the shikar mini is what im thinking of using your video is the first I’ve seen using it great video 👍
Speed kills. Slower, with continual redundant points of contact (lineman’s rope along with a tether as you climb) will make whatever routine you use better and save you from yourself should you have an issue with a mechanical device or simply make a bad move. The use of a friction hitch such as a Prusik backs up your descending device. Cheap insurance. It takes a couple more minutes but well worth it. I remind myself every time I ascend a tree that gravity never quits, and I really want to go home alive. The point I took from the video was how light and fast it can be done. Someday that may catch up with you. Be safe my friend.
Hey man, loved the video, I've been experimenting with something similar, but I was thinking about putting a small prussik with a carabiner butted up against the quick screw link i was using. The upside would be that the prussik would act as a jamming knot to keep the teather from falling, when not tentioned and then the tag end of the tether could be routed through the carabiner to make an easier way to tend slack in the tether by way of the belay devise. Hopefully that makes sense. The downside would be that slack needs to be put back into the system to shimmy the tether up the tree. So tough to make this system totally safe without becoming super inefficient.
You have that carabiner in your tether side loaded. That’s a general no no in the climbing world. Get yourself a delta link.
After the demo we actually did switch it out for a delta... not only safety but it cuts down a little bit of noise from the lock on the carabiner. We know it was something extra weight but at the application/our body weight at 7kn we felt safe with it. Thanks for sharing concern and pointing it out for others as well
Nice video. Do you know when Tethrd might come out with that new pouch? What knot are you using for the tag end of the amsteel to attach it to the versa button? TIA
I’m not sure when or if they are going to be coming out with that pouch. That’s why we couldn’t wait and just made our self one. I’m using the smaller sized amsteel and creating the daisychain by interlocking the Amsteel. There’s lots of videos online for that. The tag end simply has an overhand not and we have found work just as well for making these chains. Thanks for watching
Nice vide, thanks. However this method produce too much smell (sweltering), sound and movement that I would skip it. I love climbing, but I am hunting at the moment. Please share your experience after the season - would be interesting how much you will like it by then.
You will not like to pack it in a cold climate because of the amount of rotation you will have (in the dark). It is cute option for weight and mobility, but def not a main method when you hunt horns.
I use this method, and only this method in the dark, in the cold, in the rain, in the heat, and everything in-between for 2 years now. I've sat at 40+ ft, and done it for 11+ hour sits. Morning darkness to evening darkness. I sweat less than I ever did with a climber or with sticks and a hang on. It's practically effortless, and I am 270 lbs and out-of-shape, before I even get into my hunting gear. The system weighs barely a few pounds and can withstand literally TONS. The equipment is rated for thousands of pounds in static and shock pressure, and you are always attached to the tree, so it is the safest method there is for climbing. In addition, rappelling is also the safest way to descend from your tree, especially when it's cold or wet, or dark, or all of the above, because the risks of coming down on slick steps or sticks that you can't see in the dark is completely eliminated. It's also almost completely silent, once you get in a little practice, and know your system. As the saying goes: Don't knock it until you've tried it.
Any system takes a little time to get used to in this video it was the very first time we ever strapped to a tree we wanted to show what the positive are from the get go. After using it for only half the season it was extremely comfortable fast and quieter than any method we ever encountered. I’m sure I’ll be posting a follow up video by spring. There’s definitely advantages and disadvantage to every system
The linemans belt really isn't a fall restraint with sticks. Be careful.
How did you get the stick so high off the ground initially? The Amsteel is around the tree a good foot higher than your reach.
Hold the stick with one hand and use your other to flip the rope up higher. He does it a lot so I assume it’s easier for him than us lol. Practice makes perfect
We use a flip method where we hold each end of the Amsteel and swing it up the tree Then reach as high as we can to connect the versa button. Thanks for watching. We will address these questions with a follow up video by spring time
Can we get some links for this set up?
Ever get the stick standoffs to quit twisting when you move them?
Yes the trick to that is have the stand off at a 45° angle and tighten your bolt down then twist a standoff to tighten it further they seem to lock in place better that way. Thanks for watching
I'd like to see someone do this in a snow storm, full winter gear, and in the dark. All of these guys demonstrate it in ideal conditions. No disrespect, I am considering using climbing tools, just don't see anyone demonstrating in real world conditions.
Kevin, if hunting in the cold the safest way I practice is with the same camo rope which is Predator that he has on the bridge of his saddle. U don't sweat pulling yourself up & it sure is nice to have in the tree when it's time to come down after hours in the tree & your hands & feet r a little cold which compromises anything in this technique or by going down on the old foot pegs. I have a couple of Oplux tethers which r great & have another one on the way so I can have 1 with a prusik & Kiss Line system from Wild Edge.
We do this in full gear in the dark using no headlamps whatsoever and we have full-size lacrosse boots... I think that’s a great idea to do a demonstration for those points to help others out there. Planning to do a follow up video by spring time addressing questions thank you for watching
In my view anyone running a one stick should try a cam cleat, seems alot easier than a versa button or other tie down method.
This is the same method I use. The haters should do their research. There literally is nothing safer, easier, or quieter when you're practiced and your gear is properly in-spec. I do have a suggestion for TLE in regards to safety. Back up that belay device (looks like a Madrock?) with an autoblock. I use a VT Prusik (Valdotrain Tresse) below my belay device, on the tail-end of my rappelling line. I just hook the VT's carabiner through the lineman's loop on my "break-hand-side", and presto!... an extra 22-25kn of fall protection, and it really helps to smooth out your rappelling descent with that added control. Just make sure your Prusik line is at least a couple mm smaller in thickness than your rappelling line, otherwise you can run into problems with it not biting properly. Safe climbing and happy hunting sir!
I like the concept, but seems awfully loud. I know for demonstration purposes you could tone it back but real world useage, be pretty tough to stay quiet with this method.
most of the noise is from the boots haha. very quiet. As anything practice makes perfect. In hunting applications we have been using the setup flawless with minimal sound climbing.
What belay device are you using for the 8mm Oplux? Madrock Safeguard? I didn’t see an autoblock knot below it so I assume you’ve found it unnecessary?
Safeguard we love it and it bites hard
Manufacturer of the aider?
We picked up that ladder Aider online unfortunately we don’t remember what website we used and it’s not labeled but they come in 6,8 and 12 steps. Just do a Google search and look for the blue ladder you should be able to find it. Thanks for watching. We will have some updates to the system by spring
Where to buy the rope pouch?
It is home made James
It's a great method, but your execution is begging for an accident. There is too much slack on your tether at times, and I cringed seeing your wrist between tether and tree. You could use a stopper knot or Nite Ize to keep your tether's girth hitch from going slack.
Thanks Frank for the opinion! Tree type/pressure and line control played a role here.. but the line will not go slack or fall as easy as you would think with this method. I understand your thoughts.. that does happen with loosened pressure on a lineman belt.. But we got this. Hand under the tether... not great execution there ... not a maneuver we usually do... the bark on this particular tree was rough and sticking to the line... since the video we have added a sheath to the top portion where the hitch is and now works very smooth and protects the line. Safe hunting to you thanks for watching!
@@TightLinesEntertainment614 what type of sheath did you get? I'm using a lone wolf hand climber seat to climb and It's hard on your tether and I'm wanting to protect my tether. My method also requires sitting in your saddle multiple times and putting all your weight on your saddle and that can fray tethers quickly.
@@tomnolan2186 the oplux is very Abrasion resistant however we used a sheath that we pulled off a amsteel winch that you can purchase on Amazon for very low cost and strip the sheath off of the winch and feed your tether through it it does help to keep your rope in good condition where it contacts the tree. Use a lighter and melt the sheath to blend/glue itself to your rope👍🏼👍🏼
@@TightLinesEntertainment614 I may try that. Thank you
Digging it dude! I've used the same method with the amsteel winch line 1/4" and the sheath from that same line. What's everyone using to cut amsteel? I've tried everything in my arsenal and nothing seems to cut this stuff?
No credit to G2 Outdoors?
For what exactly? The pouch?
Absolutely! 100% Credit to him. Thus mentioned as Tethered (sorry) G2 and Tethered is one in the same If you were unaware.
Tight Lines Entertainment credit for what? I’m confused.
Tight Lines Entertainment missed your reference. Apologies. Please delete, if you don’t mind.
can some on post the G2 or thethrd video for the pouch would like more info about it
Not only seriously hard to do but noisy as heck.
Any system takes a little time to get used to in this video it was the very first time we ever strapped to a tree we wanted to show what the positive are from the get go. After using it for only half the season it was extremely comfortable fast and quieter than any method we ever encountered. I’m sure I’ll be posting a follow up video by spring. There’s definitely advantages and disadvantage to every system
Lol this is absurd. There are other ways that are safer quicker and quieter that will get you higher.
Hat cam and mic on hat might make this useful. Ya have to put yourself in the audience and see what they see hear what they hear. Bailed on you for these reasons
Thanks for the input. Check in with us this summer. This was a first for us using the system and that was the point to show easy of use. I can appreciate the comment. We have been hunting from the saddle system for some time now and have a lot more insight to share. Since the time of the video we have acquired much better filming gear and cameras. That is what your really saying about the video. Budget plays a role so take it easy on the little guys ha. Thanks for the view and comment.
Way to much going on. I use 4 sticks, I can climb just as fast, just as safe if not safer than any system out there. All these new climbing methods are rediculious.
What I was thinking
I don’t get why people are so judge mental about other climbing methods.
Just because YOU think it’s inferior to what you use doesn’t mean it truly is.
I look at all climbing methods as a tool in my constantly expanding tool box.
Just my opion, the repelling down stuff is ridiculous, I think the only system I've seen that is more ridiculous are the guys that have the system that you throw the rope over the limb and pull yourself up, lol.
maybe so, but way more weight
My tree gaffs are same weight and way easier.
DRT is by far the best way to get to hunting height in a saddle. Like, by FAR.
i prefer srt. more equipment but less effort
This is just ridiculous. Man up and carry 2-4 sticks and climb up the tree. What a goings on. Is your sport hunting or climbing.
I've never seen a comment so befitting to the posters so aptly named alias: trash panda. Well done.
Have you tried these methods or just like to run your mouth without knowing what you are talking about?