If you want only the foot loop and tether shown in this video, you can get it for just $55 Use the drop-down menu to select which kit you want. www.customgearmodifications.com/product-page/2tc-pack
Thanks for letting me know. It looks like it moved from its own page to a drop-down option on the two tether climbing page. www.customgearmodifications.com/product-page/2tc-pack
Awesome video! There are a LOT of folks who use this as their primary method, including me. And as a 55yo fat man, Its probably the easiest method. Of course im not quite as flexible as The Budget Sportsman, so my progress is slower with less distance during each move. I also like the fact that I can rest at any point during the climb (and as often as I like( comfortably. Dont sell yourselves short OGs of the game, this might be suprisingly right up your alley!
I tend to think that smaller moves might take less effort and be a lot smoother (and probably end up being faster.) somehow, I can't get it through my brain and I end up trying to take the biggest steps possible. I was even half way up the tree talking about slowing down and taking smaller steps and then proceeded to try to step up 3 feet in one move 🤦🏻♂️
It really is a smooth and intuitive system once you get it dialed in. I started playing with it last year and will use it as my primary system this year. Great video as always. Thank you.
I use it and love it! I'm 270# and there was a learning curve, definitely required practice for me. Been following CGM for a while now. Great products! Great Video!
Good stuff. You might also suggest to people to use a straight tree. They will struggle quite a bit on a slanted tree trying to use this method, and depending on the amount of slant a tree has, this method may not even be usable at all. If that detail was not planned on in advance, it could really mess up a hunter's plan when they discovered this wouldn't work on the slanted tree they had picked out for that hunt. God bless ya
@@TheBudgetSportsman yeah, I learned the hard way on that one. Picked a slanted tree over the summer and went back to hunt it in the dark opening morning. It was tough getting up the tree due to the slant. God bless you
Pulled a muscle in my hip using a versa aider trying to climb a tree with a slant gravity will pull your foot off the tree, not good, had to go for a doctor visit now on prednisone for the injury .
@@w.glennrobbins1799 Lord, Jesus, please bless this person with quick healing and recovery as well as bless and supply any spiritual needs he might have. In your name, Jesus I pray, amen.
Great overview and list of pros/cons. Just my opinion, I'm seeing a lot of creative ways to climb trees derived from one goal - saving weight. But don't confuse lightweight with better or convenient. Smooth-barked trees without limbs are one thing but out west, that's the exception to the rule of evergreens with lots of limbs and rough bark, which makes sliding girth-hitched ropes a real pain in the butt. Don't get me wrong, I love creative solutions and think they all have their pros and cons based on where you hunt.
@@PacificNorthwestBowhunting I’m definitely in agreement with you. I believe saving weight is one goal but doesn’t trump all other considerations. I balance weight savings with ease of climbing, comfort, bulk, time to climb, time to pack and unpack. The 2 tether climbing method is one of the lightest methods but it’s not my preferred method.
I just bought a back support strap and am thinking hard about how I can also use it as my foot strap (turned "inside out" so to speak so my boot doesn't get mud on the part that will rest on my back). Can't be too hard to get it to work, and then I have more options for comfortable sits. Hope some manufacturers of each catch on and make this standard soon!
CGM's foot loop is very comfortable. Consider using two, one on each foot so you don't have to wrap your leg around the tree. Its what Ive found helpful. I primarily Halfline climb and 2TC for those run and gun scenarios.
I use the sladder as my primary system, and I've been playing around with 2tc this summer. I will probably use it the same way as you because I'm not as efficient with it yet. There is the bandit climber from raccoon rigs that I am eager to try out that might make a difference
I'm interested in this system but I'd like to see you set your platform from the foot loop as opposed to from a stick like I'm used to. Also - this system seems like it would not be ideal if the tree is wet at all. Since you are wrapping your leg around it you'll end up soaked.
If you get wet from the tree, it’s probably wet enough you’re gonna be soaked anyway:) but that’s my opinion, I haven’t really been noticeably soaked by the tree when climbing in the rain. So the position he’s in when he’s getting ready to move his tether is basically the position I’m in to set the platform. I’ll move my tether up so I can sit back on it or rest my knees on the tree with my foot in the loop. I like to set my platform at chest level, I can lay it on my lap if I need to mess with the straps and then attach it at chest height. Then you could move the foot loop up if you need a higher step, but I usually just pull myself on to the platform.
Nice vid and review! I still would like to see an actual climb and setup, at height,video. Seems most vids only show a short climb and back down. Folks say no limbs, easy climb, but there is alot of ways this system works, along with rappel rope. Recently got my saddle from Jerry, good saddle for sure! Thank you for sharing this, Steve
It is pretty challenging to film a full-height climb by myself without more trips up and down the tree than I care to make in a short time. Sometime in the future I may try to do that.
I’ve been using the Sladder this year. Past five years I was using the Knaider/Swaider combo with 3 Wild Edge Stepps. The Sladder is nice on a straight tree. Not terrible on a moderate slanted tree. Worst negative was on a rainy day, the only safe way to climb was to use two tethers in combination with the Sladder. Wet boot toe would kick out easily from tree and a slackness tether was the only way I could stay safe. Wet or muddy boots required extremely more caution and time consuming climb. Be careful guys. Learn whatever system you use well in ALL conditions. Preferably master in daylight and build confidence well before climbing a wet tree in the dark. Be safe all. This system intrigues me and I might try it as an even lighter option than the Sladder. Good to have options. This is my first year using rappelling to descend. Best change I’ve ever made to my system.
Good question. I did skip over that part. The first option (and cheapest) is to come back down the same way you got up...in which case everything comes down with you. The second option is more expensive, but my prefered. It will require a rappel rope and a belay device. I will use that rop is my primary tether. Once I am ready to come down, I will remove the foot loop and all other gear with the exception of my main tether. I will attach a small pull down rope. I will rappel down and then use the pull down rope to pull down the rappel rope. There are lots of videos that cover the rappeling for one sticking.
cool Video! I am going to use a similar method, with more steps (a ladder), going to see if that is harder or easier than one step with one leg always.
hunting with this method since one month, shot 11 deers (roe deer). It takes a while to get used to climbing but i did as many training sessions as hunting sessions and it payed off, shots where placed nicely, climbing was safely, the joy increases with every time i am climbing.
Depends on your output. For me it would be about 12. There arena lot of ways to skin this cat though. If you climb with your rappel rope or a preset, it would be less. If you are more flexible, could be 8 moves or so.
Looks good. I probably would have done this at 30 but, past 50, I'll probably be a little more conventional. Wonderful vid, though, and I'm sure it will help a lot of folks.
I know guys who are well past 30 and who use this as their primary climbing method. I think I’ll use it if I’m going somewhere and not sure if I will climb a tree or stay on the ground. I also may make a separate video about carrying the foot loop as a safety device.
I think every climbing system works better on telephone poles. Straight and limbless is just easier regardless of system. But, to your point, it "works" just as well in any tree (assuming "work" means getting butt's elevated) with, like every other system, more effort.
Agree with ya bro. That perfect size and straight tree he picked I would be running laps past him with my old summit climber and I’d be using half the energy he is
@johntourville146 There is no doubt that a climber would be more efficient in this particular tree. But, that assumes you can get the climber into the same area, which is one of the points to this system. Not quite a fair comparison. Likewise, you would HAVE to have a tree like this for a climber. Not with the shown set up. Also have to take into consideration that if he shot the video in a tree full of branches, you wouldn't see the system in use...you would only see the branches.
@@customgearmodifications6963 I think theres a lot of trees that are easier to advance a line mens belt going up while using sticks than it would be advancing a tether, especially 2 tethers. A couple examples would be a tree that is to big to get your arms around easily or a tree that has really rough or flaky bark such as a pecan tree. Also i think a tree that had much lean to it or a tree where the trunk had a fork in it would be awkward. But the system certainly has an advantage in the pack-ability department.
Being a tree trimmer and a hunter this is not a viable option it is not safe you have to find a certain tree and your whole idea of saddle hunting is to climb any tree that you need to get in just my opinion this is not safe
You can buy a kit with two foot loops. I find that I prefer to let wrap the tree because it pulls me in close to the tree while moving my tether. I’m sure that’s largely personal preference.
Hey, I deleted our thread on the other video. I will admit I am ashamed that I did not communicate in a way that I am proud of. Please forgive me for my attitude. I would be glad to start a new - open dialogue.
If you want only the foot loop and tether shown in this video, you can get it for just $55
Use the drop-down menu to select which kit you want.
www.customgearmodifications.com/product-page/2tc-pack
"this product can't be found" when clicking on the link
Thanks for letting me know. It looks like it moved from its own page to a drop-down option on the two tether climbing page.
www.customgearmodifications.com/product-page/2tc-pack
Oh my , my, ….. that string might cost $5
And that running eye you are hanging on is totally not safe, that can slip and you will bust your ass
Huh??
Awesome video!
There are a LOT of folks who use this as their primary method, including me. And as a 55yo fat man, Its probably the easiest method. Of course im not quite as flexible as The Budget Sportsman, so my progress is slower with less distance during each move. I also like the fact that I can rest at any point during the climb (and as often as I like( comfortably. Dont sell yourselves short OGs of the game, this might be suprisingly right up your alley!
I tend to think that smaller moves might take less effort and be a lot smoother (and probably end up being faster.) somehow, I can't get it through my brain and I end up trying to take the biggest steps possible. I was even half way up the tree talking about slowing down and taking smaller steps and then proceeded to try to step up 3 feet in one move 🤦🏻♂️
need a video on the 2TC Stirrup with Webbing Tether
It really is a smooth and intuitive system once you get it dialed in. I started playing with it last year and will use it as my primary system this year. Great video as always. Thank you.
I use it and love it! I'm 270# and there was a learning curve, definitely required practice for me. Been following CGM for a while now. Great products! Great Video!
Good stuff. You might also suggest to people to use a straight tree. They will struggle quite a bit on a slanted tree trying to use this method, and depending on the amount of slant a tree has, this method may not even be usable at all. If that detail was not planned on in advance, it could really mess up a hunter's plan when they discovered this wouldn't work on the slanted tree they had picked out for that hunt. God bless ya
Thanks for the thoughts Sean. Good points to consider.
@@TheBudgetSportsman yeah, I learned the hard way on that one. Picked a slanted tree over the summer and went back to hunt it in the dark opening morning. It was tough getting up the tree due to the slant. God bless you
Pulled a muscle in my hip using a versa aider trying to climb a tree with a slant gravity will pull your foot off the tree, not good, had to go for a doctor visit now on prednisone for the injury .
@@w.glennrobbins1799 Lord, Jesus, please bless this person with quick healing and recovery as well as bless and supply any spiritual needs he might have. In your name, Jesus I pray, amen.
Great overview and list of pros/cons. Just my opinion, I'm seeing a lot of creative ways to climb trees derived from one goal - saving weight. But don't confuse lightweight with better or convenient. Smooth-barked trees without limbs are one thing but out west, that's the exception to the rule of evergreens with lots of limbs and rough bark, which makes sliding girth-hitched ropes a real pain in the butt. Don't get me wrong, I love creative solutions and think they all have their pros and cons based on where you hunt.
@@PacificNorthwestBowhunting I’m definitely in agreement with you. I believe saving weight is one goal but doesn’t trump all other considerations. I balance weight savings with ease of climbing, comfort, bulk, time to climb, time to pack and unpack.
The 2 tether climbing method is one of the lightest methods but it’s not my preferred method.
I just bought a back support strap and am thinking hard about how I can also use it as my foot strap (turned "inside out" so to speak so my boot doesn't get mud on the part that will rest on my back). Can't be too hard to get it to work, and then I have more options for comfortable sits. Hope some manufacturers of each catch on and make this standard soon!
You can use webbing and a carabiner for a foot loop
Love the channel and I'm very intrigued with this climbing system. I might have to pick up that foot loop and fit it to my tethers. Thanks man!
You’re most welcome. Thanks for watching.
CGM's foot loop is very comfortable. Consider using two, one on each foot so you don't have to wrap your leg around the tree. Its what Ive found helpful.
I primarily Halfline climb and 2TC for those run and gun scenarios.
Good point. I wanted to keep this demonstration focused on the lightest possible option.
@@TheBudgetSportsman Totally. As always, well done 👍
CGM has stirrups! Basically two loops with a band between. Just bought a set, they may replace my single foot loop 👌
@@OneWheelLess I've heard about those. Gotta get my hands on it!
@@HigherElevations yeah man! Do it!
I use the sladder as my primary system, and I've been playing around with 2tc this summer. I will probably use it the same way as you because I'm not as efficient with it yet. There is the bandit climber from raccoon rigs that I am eager to try out that might make a difference
The bandit does look interesting with the ability to stand up using both feet.
How do you like the sladder?
I'm interested in this system but I'd like to see you set your platform from the foot loop as opposed to from a stick like I'm used to. Also - this system seems like it would not be ideal if the tree is wet at all. Since you are wrapping your leg around it you'll end up soaked.
If you get wet from the tree, it’s probably wet enough you’re gonna be soaked anyway:) but that’s my opinion, I haven’t really been noticeably soaked by the tree when climbing in the rain.
So the position he’s in when he’s getting ready to move his tether is basically the position I’m in to set the platform. I’ll move my tether up so I can sit back on it or rest my knees on the tree with my foot in the loop. I like to set my platform at chest level, I can lay it on my lap if I need to mess with the straps and then attach it at chest height. Then you could move the foot loop up if you need a higher step, but I usually just pull myself on to the platform.
@@OneWheelLess boils down to the method. I can climb a wet tree and not get soaked. But I don't have to wrap my leg around.
Can you expound a little more and show the repel setup?
Awesome video! Great job explaining the system.
If you look at videos of one sticking, you should be able to find info on the rappel set up.
@@TheBudgetSportsman thank you, sir.
Nice vid and review!
I still would like to see an actual climb and setup, at height,video. Seems most vids only show a short climb and back down.
Folks say no limbs, easy climb, but there is alot of ways this system works, along with rappel rope.
Recently got my saddle from Jerry, good saddle for sure!
Thank you for sharing this,
Steve
It is pretty challenging to film a full-height climb by myself without more trips up and down the tree than I care to make in a short time. Sometime in the future I may try to do that.
@TheBudgetSportsman totally understand the self filming, stuff!
Interesting, does this put a lot of pressure on your knees?
I haven’t noticed that particularly, but it does take a certain level of mobility that climbing sticks might not require.
I just ordered the sladder climbing system. You should check it out next
Dude please let me know how you like that! I seen it last year and have been talking it up, everyone thinks I'm crazy.... I might buy that!
It looks interesting for sure.
If you are good with aiders, then it will work. I have bad hip and leg, so it doesn't work too good for me unfortunately @austinogrady8832
Unfortunately i don't care for it. If you like aiders, then you might like it but im going with SRT @austinogrady8832
I’ve been using the Sladder this year. Past five years I was using the Knaider/Swaider combo with 3 Wild Edge Stepps. The Sladder is nice on a straight tree. Not terrible on a moderate slanted tree. Worst negative was on a rainy day, the only safe way to climb was to use two tethers in combination with the Sladder. Wet boot toe would kick out easily from tree and a slackness tether was the only way I could stay safe. Wet or muddy boots required extremely more caution and time consuming climb. Be careful guys. Learn whatever system you use well in ALL conditions. Preferably master in daylight and build confidence well before climbing a wet tree in the dark. Be safe all. This system intrigues me and I might try it as an even lighter option than the Sladder. Good to have options. This is my first year using rappelling to descend. Best change I’ve ever made to my system.
I might have missed it but how or when do you get the rope and other items (lineman’s belt) out of the tree.
Good question. I did skip over that part.
The first option (and cheapest) is to come back down the same way you got up...in which case everything comes down with you.
The second option is more expensive, but my prefered. It will require a rappel rope and a belay device. I will use that rop is my primary tether. Once I am ready to come down, I will remove the foot loop and all other gear with the exception of my main tether. I will attach a small pull down rope. I will rappel down and then use the pull down rope to pull down the rappel rope. There are lots of videos that cover the rappeling for one sticking.
@@TheBudgetSportsman Thanks!
cool Video! I am going to use a similar method, with more steps (a ladder), going to see if that is harder or easier than one step with one leg always.
hunting with this method since one month, shot 11 deers (roe deer). It takes a while to get used to climbing but i did as many training sessions as hunting sessions and it payed off, shots where placed nicely, climbing was safely, the joy increases with every time i am climbing.
I don’t see this system being easy if it’s 20 degrees F out and it recently snowed or is still snowing.
Light
Think Dryad Dray 2 ❤
I’ve reached out to Dryad to review the Dray but did not receive a response.
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My method with Dray 2
Cool setup! How many moves would it take to reach 23 feet?
Depends on your output. For me it would be about 12. There arena lot of ways to skin this cat though. If you climb with your rappel rope or a preset, it would be less. If you are more flexible, could be 8 moves or so.
Looks good. I probably would have done this at 30 but, past 50, I'll probably be a little more conventional. Wonderful vid, though, and I'm sure it will help a lot of folks.
I know guys who are well past 30 and who use this as their primary climbing method. I think I’ll use it if I’m going somewhere and not sure if I will climb a tree or stay on the ground. I also may make a separate video about carrying the foot loop as a safety device.
I will tell you from my own conversations with him, Jerry (owner of CGM) utilizes this himself quite often.
I'm 60 and 2tc much faster than shown in this video.
Thats pretty convenient for us on hunting trip.😂
Very lightweight and compact
Thanks for the vid
No problem!
😂im in my mid 30s and I will join you and stay conventional
It’s really not bad, but I do enjoy having my feet in climbing sticks
Any form of 2TC is the best system for hunting.
Is it your go to climbing method?
@TheBudgetSportsman affirmative. I use a 2TC of my own design, but yes, it's my go to.
Why not a double foot climber?
CGM offers a double foot loop option. I just use the one loop for weight and also so I can wrap my free leg around the tree while moving the tether.
The problem with this system is that it works well on ideal trees that resemble telephone poles but might not work so well in others.
I think every climbing system works better on telephone poles. Straight and limbless is just easier regardless of system. But, to your point, it "works" just as well in any tree (assuming "work" means getting butt's elevated) with, like every other system, more effort.
I think you just described every climbing system. Sticks, one stick, 2TC, climbing platforms...they are all easier without limbs.
Agree with ya bro. That perfect size and straight tree he picked I would be running laps past him with my old summit climber and I’d be using half the energy he is
@johntourville146 There is no doubt that a climber would be more efficient in this particular tree. But, that assumes you can get the climber into the same area, which is one of the points to this system. Not quite a fair comparison. Likewise, you would HAVE to have a tree like this for a climber. Not with the shown set up.
Also have to take into consideration that if he shot the video in a tree full of branches, you wouldn't see the system in use...you would only see the branches.
@@customgearmodifications6963 I think theres a lot of trees that are easier to advance a line mens belt going up while using sticks than it would be advancing a tether, especially 2 tethers. A couple examples would be a tree that is to big to get your arms around easily or a tree that has really rough or flaky bark such as a pecan tree. Also i think a tree that had much lean to it or a tree where the trunk had a fork in it would be awkward. But the system certainly has an advantage in the pack-ability department.
I think it would work good with the JX3 hybrid saddle it has a fork in the middle you would just sit down and pull the bottom rope up easy pezzy
Great thought. I don't have a JX3 to test it, but you might be on to something.
The appeal of the JX3 is for old dudes who lack the athleticism for this.
@@LynnJynh9315
Sounds like me!!!
You already have the rope, just hitch climb , watch the JRB videos.
Not interested, but thanks.
Man, I have this and just can’t get the hang of it.
Being a tree trimmer and a hunter this is not a viable option it is not safe you have to find a certain tree and your whole idea of saddle hunting is to climb any tree that you need to get in just my opinion this is not safe
It would be helpful if you would explain why it isn’t safe rather than just saying it’s not safe.
Wouldn’t it be easier with a foot loop on both feet.
You can buy a kit with two foot loops. I find that I prefer to let wrap the tree because it pulls me in close to the tree while moving my tether. I’m sure that’s largely personal preference.
now do it on a leaning tree as opposed to a bean pole.
Hey, I deleted our thread on the other video. I will admit I am ashamed that I did not communicate in a way that I am proud of. Please forgive me for my attitude.
I would be glad to start a new - open dialogue.
Screw that
Kinda far away
I’m sure this is great for telephone poles with no branches 😂 useless
It works for trees with limbs too 😊