@@priestesslucy They appear to be in stock again, though in my humble opinion the Foxtrot Mike offering looks like a better deal if looking for a full factory built rifle. The CMMG offering has an ambi mag release though, which after handling one I can say effectively eliminates the magazine ergonomic issues, but it's up in premium price territory. Not as overpriced as Sig, but it's up there. At least we're getting options beyond the classic featureless build.
I'm excited to see capitalism working to provide goods and services where government creates a vacuum. Hopefully more manufacturers will find solutions to these issues. Because more States are banning features.
Very well setup rifle Mike, bravo. I love the forward facing mag release for support hand use, that’s genius. I absolutely love rifles that get the very most out of the gun laws that you have to deal with, some people just can’t move elsewhere. This rifle is miles better than an old SKS or one of those ‘bullet button’ AR’s. I’d much rather go featureless and actually have an effective rifle, even if it looks a bit silly. Function over form. Cheers from Australia, Matt
I have a Mini 14 and a Mini 30 for just that reason. Much rather have a fully functional rifle than one whose basic operation has been compromised in order to meet legal requirements.
I definitely don’t need this, but as someone who really doesn’t care for pistol grips on long guns, I kinda wanna get one. If they would build a .308 /AR10 version I would buy that in a heartbeat!
@@Holden-McGroin I personally opted for a 6.5 Grendel and a 5.56 upper and just swap them out on the lower when needed. Quick and easy. I had Central Ct. Arms build my uppers.
I heard that SCOTUS deemed magazine capacity bans unconstitutional and I was wondering what your experience has been, I also live in California and have been looking at the SCR for a while as a cool first rifle but unfortunately my pockets currently arent deep enough the at the moment
The magazine issue is in flux. A district court ruled magazine bans unconstitutional but that ruling is stayed (I.E. not in force yet) until the 9th Circuit (appeals court) can hear the arguments. So for now, no large capacity magazines for sale in California. Alas the price of everything has gone up.
I've left California but when I was there, there were really only three rifles I was interested in: this rifle, the Kel Tec SU-16 CA, and the M1A. Fixed mags or fin-grips were a non-starter for me: I wanted a rifle I can actually use as more than a range curiosity. I ended up getting the Kel Tec-- not a bad little gun and ultra-light, but I bet the SCR groups better. I heard the second-gen SCR actually has an OK trigger (the first gen was garbage)-- if I were buying again in CA I would seriously consider one. Shame it doesn't have a paddle-style mag release. Not sure how they'd make it work with stanag mags, but it would be way better ergonomically. The SU-16 has the same issue of a side-button that's just out of reach for the trigger finger.
@@mlazarus5388 I lost track of the number of times I almost pulled the trigger on a Soc 16, but the M1As just seem to be really hit-or-miss in terms of accuracy: some people swear by them, others swear up and down they can't shoot a decent group with them to save their lives. Didn't feel like gambling on one since they're not cheap. How was yours for accuracy? I know the Soc 16 is not a precision rifle, but did it do OK?
@@ganthrithor the socom was excellent for it's intended purpose. General purpose, easily maneuverable semi auto rifle in an intermediate cartridge. I wouldn't expect hits past 500 yards unless I had a really good rest.
@@mlazarus5388 Glad yours worked well. I still want one, even though they're not the most practical things :) Got other priorities for the moment though: I'm hoping to move again soon, and where I'm going I think all semi-autos are banned. Bolt-actions only and shotguns with a capacity of two shells or fewer :\
it's a decent option for ban states - but, we don't know how reliably it works in the long run. Being a proprietary design with no buffer it requires extensive use and testing to assess its longevity.
One would think a manufacturers would conduct some product testing before placing firearms into the stream of commerce. However, it's not unreasonable to have doubts.
Does it take standard AR-15 mag releases? I wonder how an ambidextrous mag release would work on that, allowing you to grip the mag with your support hand, hit the button with your thumb, and pull the mag out.
I filmed this in December. It probably hit 70 degrees that day. We have nearly year round perfect weather. As for gun laws, we might not be able to escape them soon enough.
I live in Idaho but I used to do day work with five dot land and cattle. I worked up in the lake berryessa area and have hunted that region a fair bit. I'd live there if it weren't so psychotically Marxist. I like the aesthetics of the flightlite,(surprisingly).
I"m new to guns so enlighten me. What is the difference between this and a regular AR? I mean functionally, it looks like just another semi-auto rifle to me.
The dangerous features (pistol grip, collapsible stock, flash hider, bayonet lug, and a few other items) are not present, thus reducing the lethality of the rounds fired from the gun.
@@roombadrifter3466 good question. I'll check. I bought it on the secondary market with the upper so i never really looked into it. The entire rifle was very reasonable.
As someone from California, I find armadillos weird to look at. But your point is well taken. It's odd, unnatural and sadly, the current state of the State.
It uses any standard AR-15 upper so it should exhibit the same accuracy, ergonomic peculiarities not withstanding. This one is MOA with good ammunition.
Honestly I really like it but the price for the lower is unreasonable to someone living outside of CA 750 for a lower but I can get a whole standard AR15 from PSA for like 450 shipped.
I'm a little surprised by the retail costs. This one came to me by way of the secondary market and it appears at a bargain. Regardless, the free market economy is at work. I'm told the lower is difficult to find these days.
@@mlazarus5388 thick here in Florida. I bought the blued wood stock the day before covid shut down for $750. Same exact one is going for $1,199 now. I love my mini, but that’s a hard sell when ARs are so much cheaper.
Also I'm tempted to sell one of my AR lowers and replace it with the new Fightlite lever action lower when it comes out. I already have the SCR and I think it would make a good matched set.
I'm not sure what the current price is, I found this one on the secondary market and based on what you wrote, it was a bargain. However, the reality lies in basic free market economy. For what the average house in southern California sells for, most people could buy a mansion. But for those who enjoy more supply than demand, you are 100 percent correct. The price doesn't represent the value that a stripped AR lower comes in at.
@@mlazarus5388 FWIW in Rugers defense. I will say that the AR mags were not too common in the civilian world when the Mini-14 first came out (Jim Sullivan invented the Mini just 2 years after the Army adopted the M16). And unless you had a Colt SP1 way back than (which were absurdly expensive even back than), you pretty much did not have AR mags anyways. Could the Mini be modernized to accept AR mags? Yeah, probably. But, as an SOB that grew up on the M14/M1A platform I don't mind the special Ruger mags, and their AK style "rock and lock", haha. Just stay away from the Mini-14 Pro-Mags, those things are trash from the factory, ive never seen one that did not jam.
@@scottyxiong7733 The mini 14 is still viable in California as a magazine fed, center fire semi auto. The worst part about the mini 14 are the expensive magazines and the safety.
@mlazarus5388 all mags are expensive. It's just a matter how much you get or own already, and yeah ar15 mag most people should already have in hand. I just think lever mag release would fit that variant of a rifle for ambidextrous or right hand users.
@@scottyxiong7733 Interesting idea. I wonder if the reason Fightlite, CMMG, Sig (Ranch rifle) etcetera have not changed the mag release is simply due to the interface with current AR mags. By the by, Mini mags are like $30 bucks or more. AR mags seem much cheaper, by half at least.
Looks like a star wars rifle. I do not live in Cali for a reason. If the rifle is goofy its owner will be even more goofy. Goofy is not what you want in a firearm's owner.
He doesn’t look happy shooting it, I live behind enemy lines in nyc this is better than nothing. As long as NYC is blue we will never get our 2A restored
comparing the 2nd amendment to the weather is like comparing a pelican to a flying fish, yeah they both can glide above the water, but in no way are they related. apple meet orange, orange meet apple.
Rifles have been made in that format for centuries so the hole idea about ergonomics.....get over it and train. Ultimately as a non-US citizen that's what I see when you yanks complain about stuff like this......a lazy person who wants the easy way and doesn't want tot spend the time on the range to train and learn a new platform. Another point is why are you yanks happy to use shotguns in this format but not rifles!?
AK style magazine release lever will be perfect for this gun... First time in my life I've seen a beautiful AR. otherwise I've always maintained that AR's are the ugliest guns on planet earth.
Anyone that let's their mags hit the ground like that even in practice is not someone to listen to.. why break your stuff or jam dirt into it.. just to put it back in the reciever.
Just so I'm clear, are you suggesting to not drop the magazines to the ground, rather remove them, store them someplace safe/clean and then place the fresh magazine into the rifle? Thank you for the input.
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I live in NorCal, and I admit I REALLY DISLIKED it at first. But this dam things grown on me now. Things looks REALLY GOOD.👍
It doesn't match our visual expectations, however, it performs almost as well as an AR.
@@mlazarus5388 tell yuh what.... it's a good lookin rifle, that's for sure.
I'm not in Cali and I think this looks amazing. I really want one, its a nice touch on the modern AR.
They are becoming very popular.
Honest Outlaw tested the pistol version. The only thing that the gun would reliably do is fail to eject.
@@mlazarus5388 are they still in production? They seem mostly sold out
@@priestesslucy I think they are still making them but seems demand outstripped supply. Stupid capitalism.
@@priestesslucy They appear to be in stock again, though in my humble opinion the Foxtrot Mike offering looks like a better deal if looking for a full factory built rifle. The CMMG offering has an ambi mag release though, which after handling one I can say effectively eliminates the magazine ergonomic issues, but it's up in premium price territory. Not as overpriced as Sig, but it's up there. At least we're getting options beyond the classic featureless build.
You work with what you got and it seems like a great option in ban states. Good job!
I'm excited to see capitalism working to provide goods and services where government creates a vacuum. Hopefully more manufacturers will find solutions to these issues. Because more States are banning features.
Completely agree about the weather. Some of the stuff sucks about Cali but the weather isn't something you can complain about!
Rode the motorcycle to the range. Taught a class outdoors all day, rode home.
I saw someone set theirs up like this too and called it the “space cowboy” now I wanna build one
They can be addicting.
Very well setup rifle Mike, bravo. I love the forward facing mag release for support hand use, that’s genius. I absolutely love rifles that get the very most out of the gun laws that you have to deal with, some people just can’t move elsewhere. This rifle is miles better than an old SKS or one of those ‘bullet button’ AR’s. I’d much rather go featureless and actually have an effective rifle, even if it looks a bit silly. Function over form.
Cheers from Australia,
Matt
Thanks for the kind words from down under.
With various feature bans coming on line, this type of solution might become much more popular. Mini 14s and similar rifles as well.
I have a Mini 14 and a Mini 30 for just that reason. Much rather have a fully functional rifle than one whose basic operation has been compromised in order to meet legal requirements.
@@NathanLGrossman the mini 30 is under rated in some circles. If the magazines were cheaper, it would be nearly 5 out of 5.
This rifle is AWESOME!
It's pretty cool for sure
I definitely don’t need this, but as someone who really doesn’t care for pistol grips on long guns, I kinda wanna get one. If they would build a .308 /AR10 version I would buy that in a heartbeat!
There is a 300 blackout upper that works with the lower. 30 second change out. No tools.
@@edwardscott3507 300 black out is a cartridge that has little reason to exist in my opinion.
Choose your own upper most magpul compatible uppers will work@@Holden-McGroin
Can you point me directly to a 300 blackout upper example you recommend? Wanted to pursue a build with this platform. Thanks
@@Holden-McGroin I personally opted for a 6.5 Grendel and a 5.56 upper and just swap them out on the lower when needed. Quick and easy. I had Central Ct. Arms build my uppers.
I think it looks cool 🤙
It isn't bad for sure. Some people just like the military style looks.
I heard that SCOTUS deemed magazine capacity bans unconstitutional and I was wondering what your experience has been, I also live in California and have been looking at the SCR for a while as a cool first rifle but unfortunately my pockets currently arent deep enough the at the moment
The magazine issue is in flux. A district court ruled magazine bans unconstitutional but that ruling is stayed (I.E. not in force yet) until the 9th Circuit (appeals court) can hear the arguments. So for now, no large capacity magazines for sale in California. Alas the price of everything has gone up.
thanks@@mlazarus5388
I've left California but when I was there, there were really only three rifles I was interested in: this rifle, the Kel Tec SU-16 CA, and the M1A. Fixed mags or fin-grips were a non-starter for me: I wanted a rifle I can actually use as more than a range curiosity. I ended up getting the Kel Tec-- not a bad little gun and ultra-light, but I bet the SCR groups better. I heard the second-gen SCR actually has an OK trigger (the first gen was garbage)-- if I were buying again in CA I would seriously consider one.
Shame it doesn't have a paddle-style mag release. Not sure how they'd make it work with stanag mags, but it would be way better ergonomically. The SU-16 has the same issue of a side-button that's just out of reach for the trigger finger.
The trigger is actually decent. I ran a M1A socom for a while. Nice gun but optics are clunky to mount.
@@mlazarus5388 I lost track of the number of times I almost pulled the trigger on a Soc 16, but the M1As just seem to be really hit-or-miss in terms of accuracy: some people swear by them, others swear up and down they can't shoot a decent group with them to save their lives. Didn't feel like gambling on one since they're not cheap.
How was yours for accuracy? I know the Soc 16 is not a precision rifle, but did it do OK?
@@ganthrithor the socom was excellent for it's intended purpose. General purpose, easily maneuverable semi auto rifle in an intermediate cartridge. I wouldn't expect hits past 500 yards unless I had a really good rest.
@@mlazarus5388 Glad yours worked well. I still want one, even though they're not the most practical things :) Got other priorities for the moment though: I'm hoping to move again soon, and where I'm going I think all semi-autos are banned. Bolt-actions only and shotguns with a capacity of two shells or fewer :\
Nice rifle. I am really enjoying these videos. Do one for all of the guns you have. The audio is awesome. Are you using and external wireless mic?
Thanks. Great rifle bought at a very fair price. The audio is an external, wireless mic from Amazon. Maybe $20 or so...
Dude, that rifle kinda looks good tbh :)
Utility has an appeal that exceeds fashion.
Just buying the lower would make for a great hunting platform. This with a 6.5 Grendel upper would be great for hunting
That would make a fine deer rifle. A 450 would be fun for big boars.
it's a decent option for ban states - but, we don't know how reliably it works in the long run. Being a proprietary design with no buffer it requires extensive use and testing to assess its longevity.
One would think a manufacturers would conduct some product testing before placing firearms into the stream of commerce. However, it's not unreasonable to have doubts.
Honest Outlaw got the pistol version, only thing it did reliably was fail to eject. And stoppages were not quick to clear.
@@nickamalfitano3613 Wow. That's not good. This one has been reliable.
I’m curious….wonder if this would be able to fit in a saddle scabbard. I mean it seems to follow the same roots of the “cattleman carbine”
With the right saddle maker it would surely fit.
Does it take standard AR-15 mag releases? I wonder how an ambidextrous mag release would work on that, allowing you to grip the mag with your support hand, hit the button with your thumb, and pull the mag out.
It looks to be standard. I got the rifle on the secondary market. I should investigate the ambi option.
I've got a CMMG ambi mag catch on mine. It works a lot better than having to reach around to the other side to get at the mag release.
A Ruger mini and an AR 15 had a child apparently. Good for them!
It's the best/worst of both worlds. But magazines are cheap.
Thanks for showing! Unfortunately we live in this state, but consider that we have less natural disasters than other states except earthquakes
I filmed this in December. It probably hit 70 degrees that day. We have nearly year round perfect weather. As for gun laws, we might not be able to escape them soon enough.
@@mlazarus5388 yeah, we can just hope, dude stay safe and happy lunar new year man!
I live in Idaho but I used to do day work with five dot land and cattle. I worked up in the lake berryessa area and have hunted that region a fair bit. I'd live there if it weren't so psychotically Marxist.
I like the aesthetics of the flightlite,(surprisingly).
Have you seen the wood stock version?
@@mlazarus5388 yes I was just looking T it after your video. Pretty cool. My kid likes it as well.
I"m new to guns so enlighten me. What is the difference between this and a regular AR? I mean functionally, it looks like just another semi-auto rifle to me.
The dangerous features (pistol grip, collapsible stock, flash hider, bayonet lug, and a few other items) are not present, thus reducing the lethality of the rounds fired from the gun.
Good video 👍
Thanks. That means a lot
What upper? It seems like a 14.5 with a comp fixed making it 16.1
Looks like a bcm
@@roombadrifter3466 good question. I'll check. I bought it on the secondary market with the upper so i never really looked into it. The entire rifle was very reasonable.
As someone from Texas, this is so weird to look at lol
As someone from California, I find armadillos weird to look at. But your point is well taken. It's odd, unnatural and sadly, the current state of the State.
Is this lower compatible with PSA, Springfield Armory and M&P-15 Sport II (S&W) uppers???
I think it works with any standard AR pattern upper.
I live in pa, I can get any gun I could afford, I want this gun!
I've heard that from several people. They like the aesthetic.
I h e heard that they only take a piston upper, there is no room for the standard buffer tube in the stock.
Nope standard AR uppers.
Would they ever make this for a 22lr or like a conversion kit?
I was just discussing this idea with a gun smith buddy this weekend. A 22lr would be a hoot.
Cost effective plinking lol
How accurate is it from a regular AR15?
It uses any standard AR-15 upper so it should exhibit the same accuracy, ergonomic peculiarities not withstanding. This one is MOA with good ammunition.
Curious will work with Adam Arms piston upper? Bolt is different from gas version.
It might not work. It's designed around the standard AR pattern BCG
@@mlazarus5388 sounds good tnx
It’s still pretty cool.
It has it's charms. Particularly if you aren't married to the AR pattern looks/ergonomics.
Honestly I really like it but the price for the lower is unreasonable to someone living outside of CA 750 for a lower but I can get a whole standard AR15 from PSA for like 450 shipped.
I'm a little surprised by the retail costs. This one came to me by way of the secondary market and it appears at a bargain. Regardless, the free market economy is at work. I'm told the lower is difficult to find these days.
@@mlazarus5388 Heck yeah that thing is really unique I hate to hear that it's hard to find these days.
If they keep the price down this could kill the mini 14. The prices on minis are up $100 year over year since covid.
Price is one part of the issue. Availability is the other. They haven't been easy to find.
@@mlazarus5388 thick here in Florida. I bought the blued wood stock the day before covid shut down for $750. Same exact one is going for $1,199 now. I love my mini, but that’s a hard sell when ARs are so much cheaper.
I like that
Beats a sharp stick in the eye. Right? Am I right?
Where are you shooting? I'm having a hard time finding anywhere to go shoot my rifles and I really need to zero my optics.
Also I'm tempted to sell one of my AR lowers and replace it with the new Fightlite lever action lower when it comes out. I already have the SCR and I think it would make a good matched set.
I'm using the California Tactical Academy range. Piru, California. Near Los Angeles.
@@SgtAl the fight lite lowers aren't bad. A workable alternative.
@@mlazarus5388 That's great and not too far from me. I never heard of that place before, thanks!
Modern retro
Modern retro is all the rage. Everyone is doing it.
@@mlazarus5388 wave hand through hair…Gotta have it.
3 shots . Guess you didn't want to show it jamin . Do a full 30 round mag . I want to see it jam ! 😮 😊 😂 ?
Surprisingly, it has not jammed. However, that might be a fun video. Thanks.
And just a couple months later Southern California freezes over. 😂
An ambidextrous mag release could be beneficial. Not quite the same.
For sure. Anything to address the ergonomics of the system and the shortcomings compared to the AR pattern rifles.
I think it looks good. If it was painted brown to look like wood it might fool the Lefties snowflakes into thinking it looks like Grandpas rifle
The company does make wood furniture for this gun. They are hard to find in that configuration.
It’s NY legal as well
How do you find 7 round magazines in NY?
@@mlazarus5388 10 shot magazines are legal in NY
@@iwaters162 crazy. Surprised. Shouldn't it be single shot for maximum safety?
The lower is $750.00. Keep it.
I'm not sure what the current price is, I found this one on the secondary market and based on what you wrote, it was a bargain. However, the reality lies in basic free market economy. For what the average house in southern California sells for, most people could buy a mansion. But for those who enjoy more supply than demand, you are 100 percent correct. The price doesn't represent the value that a stripped AR lower comes in at.
Yeah they're way too expensive
What the Mini 14 should've been
If the mini 14 took AR pattern magazines, Ruger would sell millions more.
@@mlazarus5388 FWIW in Rugers defense. I will say that the AR mags were not too common in the civilian world when the Mini-14 first came out (Jim Sullivan invented the Mini just 2 years after the Army adopted the M16). And unless you had a Colt SP1 way back than (which were absurdly expensive even back than), you pretty much did not have AR mags anyways.
Could the Mini be modernized to accept AR mags? Yeah, probably. But, as an SOB that grew up on the M14/M1A platform I don't mind the special Ruger mags, and their AK style "rock and lock", haha. Just stay away from the Mini-14 Pro-Mags, those things are trash from the factory, ive never seen one that did not jam.
All it is a modernized mini 14. Maybe a lever mag release be better use mini14 mags
@@scottyxiong7733 The mini 14 is still viable in California as a magazine fed, center fire semi auto. The worst part about the mini 14 are the expensive magazines and the safety.
@mlazarus5388 all mags are expensive. It's just a matter how much you get or own already, and yeah ar15 mag most people should already have in hand. I just think lever mag release would fit that variant of a rifle for ambidextrous or right hand users.
@@scottyxiong7733 Interesting idea. I wonder if the reason Fightlite, CMMG, Sig (Ranch rifle) etcetera have not changed the mag release is simply due to the interface with current AR mags. By the by, Mini mags are like $30 bucks or more. AR mags seem much cheaper, by half at least.
@@mlazarus5388 it just probably cutting cost and simplicity
Looks like a star wars rifle. I do not live in Cali for a reason. If the rifle is goofy its owner will be even more goofy. Goofy is not what you want in a firearm's owner.
Thank you. Your judgements will make me a better person.
He doesn’t look happy shooting it, I live behind enemy lines in nyc this is better than nothing. As long as NYC is blue we will never get our 2A restored
Happiness is subjective. Gratitude is the key to contentment.
comparing the 2nd amendment to the weather is like comparing a pelican to a flying fish, yeah they both can glide above the water, but in no way are they related. apple meet orange, orange meet apple.
Absolutely! And everyone has their own feeling on what constitutes freedom. Crazy world we live in.
It almost seems like a modernized mini 14 to me
That is a good observation.
It’s better. It an AR without all the mini accuracy problems
People's Republic of California
Indeed. California has it's charms. The political climate not being one of them.
Why don't they just have an angled buffer tube?
I'm not sure how that would work, given the buffer tube needs to smoothly move rearward and return to the forward position under spring tension.
It does have an angled buffer tube, in the stock. Uses a proprietary bolt carrier to make the angled buffer tube function.
Rifles have been made in that format for centuries so the hole idea about ergonomics.....get over it and train. Ultimately as a non-US citizen that's what I see when you yanks complain about stuff like this......a lazy person who wants the easy way and doesn't want tot spend the time on the range to train and learn a new platform. Another point is why are you yanks happy to use shotguns in this format but not rifles!?
Some valid points.
@@mlazarus5388 Just to be clear, I wasn't calling you out or calling you lazy. You seem to be one of the few that will train and make a system work.
@@TheMegaAsh Not taken any other way. Thanks for noting this though.
AK style magazine release lever will be perfect for this gun... First time in my life I've seen a beautiful AR. otherwise I've always maintained that AR's are the ugliest guns on planet earth.
The AK style is a good suggestion, however, I'm not convinced it is an easy adoption with AR pattern magazines.
I won't say Anything in California's defense !
MY defense is paramount and Trump's some California politicians views ! ☆
Preach it. It is gospel you speak.
Looks OK but I don't think it would be something I would use if the crap hit the fan!
It's a different ergonomics than the AR patterns. That's certain.
Washington state is arguably worse than CA now.
Agreed. Plus, California weather is perfect, so at least we have that...
@mlazarus5388 Same amount of tech bros vs. regular people though. I love the rain personally.
@@dp981 Yeah. I get rain is a good thing
Anyone that let's their mags hit the ground like that even in practice is not someone to listen to.. why break your stuff or jam dirt into it.. just to put it back in the reciever.
Just so I'm clear, are you suggesting to not drop the magazines to the ground, rather remove them, store them someplace safe/clean and then place the fresh magazine into the rifle?
Thank you for the input.
@@mlazarus5388 Everyone knows that in a firefight, keeping your mags in perfect condition is more important than quickly reloading your gun. :)
As always, the old adage rings true once again, opinions really are are like a-holes...
good thing you have 10 rnd mags. otherwise….you know……bad things could happen.
It's the 11th round that is extra dangerous.