Fightlite SCR First Impressions At 300m
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- Formerly the ARES SCR and now the Fightlite SCR, this rifle is an AR-15 system modified to work with a FAL or Remington 1100 type mainspring housed in the butt. Without the muzzle thread it's 50-state legal in the US, and looks like... well any semiauto hunting rifle in this configuration. It'll accept any AR-15 upper, but requires use of a special bolt carrier since there's no buffer tube and it needs to use a rat's tail to cooperate with the mainspring.
Scope is a Primary Arms SLx1 micro prism.
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I wish Fightlite would make a .308/7.62x51 version. The era of the traditional-stocked, semi-auto military rifle was too short in my opinion.
Yeah, and Fightlite would market the hell out of that for saying that it's a hunting rifle.
I agree actually. This is similar to an M1 carabine. I like 7.62 but it makes everything too big and heavy. But I can see how an AR-10 with a traditional stock could be useful.
they lasted 30 or so years not too bad actually
Then it becomes the Fightheavy that you don't want to carry.
I was thinking the same thing. An AR-10 version would be cool, and could even fit into the scout rifle role.
Not gonna lie. As a Missouri resident, who couldn't possibly fret less about the reasons this rifle exists, as an unadulterated connoisseur of multiple AR platform rifles... I kinda want a fightlight acr carbine in my personal armory. This thing is kinda actually pretty friggin cool!!
Western Arkansas here, and I couldn't agree more. I have plenty but there is a neat factor with the scr for sure
Put this in something like 350 Legend, 400 Legend, or 450 Bushmaster and you have the spiritual successor to the classic lever action.
Yes, it should pack a bit of the retro charm of a Mini14, while having some accuracy potential like an AR.
@Tuton25 amusing though, since fitelight also makes lever action ar lowers now ha
This video just popped into my feed after I referred to Fightlite in a comment on another video!
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Honestly as someone who doesn't live in a ban state, I'd want one of these. Go all-in on the heresy: BRN-180 upper, chamber it for .300 Blackout, Magpul SGA-870 stock (they're on the 870/1100 pattern). Like an SKS, but dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
I’ve heard mixed feedback on the BRN-180, even the more recent productions. From what I can tell, unless you’re gonna spring for a Sig/H&K upper, you might as well just stick with the traditional “direct impingement” design.
Need some gunsmithing to have ar180 uppers fit. It doesn't have the clearance that a buffer tubed system has. It uses fal style tang
I just picked up a Fightlite SCR Raider chambered in 300 Blk and absolutely LOVE IT!
I'm from a ban state so the SCR has been on my radar for years now, but it was out of stock for so long that I ended up buying a Mini-14 instead. I'm still interested in the SCR, but at this point I think I'd rather deal with having a "fin grip" on a mil-spec AR lower over the very proprietary and expensive SCR lower. That said, very cool to see more content on the SCR!
check out the featureless sparrow grip
Don't worry. The era of "featureless" and fin grips is about to come to an end. Same with the handgun roster and carry restrictions. Gun control is on its deathbed.
@@joshklaver47 Don't make me hope man . Newshit is making things worse here.
I have always been a little fascinated by this rifle.
As a left-hander of the devil .... I appreciate the curtousy reach around option
"you can put any AR-15 upper on it that you want"
I want to see someone stick a .410 upper on one of those. (Are there even non-skeet shotgun ranges in Switzerland?)
I made mine into a modern musket. It’s got a 20” pencil barrel with a 19” slim rail. With a 1.3” OD and 10” long can it’s actually quite manageable. Topped it with a 1-10x scope. It’s my go to coyote rifle.
Being in the States, and living in a gun friendly area, I've thought these were interesting. Probably would never buy one, but I would like to shoot one. I'm also glad people in more restrictive states have the option of owning an AR stile rifle, legally.
You just need an aftermarket mag release that reaches back further so you can release it with your right index finger like a standard AR15.
I think leverage would cause that to bind.
Battle bar mag release
@@GunFunZS no, it wouldn't. Everything on that SCR lower is the same as an AR15 except how the stock attaches and no pistol grip.
Just get an ambi mag release and actuate it with your left hand
I honestly just really enjoy watching those electronic targets. I wish we had more of those in the states.
I have a couple of these. ( Before fight lite) Converted one to 350 Legend. (9x45)
Good shooters!! ❤
Im going to re do my video on these excellent fun shooters!
You make shooting at 300 meters look so easy. The immediate feedback is nice also.
Interesting reinvention of the AR14
The right proper intermission music always gets me.
Interesting AR variant. It's a tempting purchase just to irritate my friends.
always been a huge fan of the fightlite conceptually, just really like that combo it's got going on of old and new
Good job Mike
That Rifle looks extremely beautiful
It's honestly not bad looking, and it holds a decent group for a non-free float. Thanks for checking it out.
thats a clever sling mount!
Having a sling brush against my trigger finger constantly ike that would drive me absolutely batsht
Ah, I commented first before scrolling lower. Indeed. At the same time I couldn't care less when a fly sits on me. Maybe cause one would be my own doing.
Little known fact about the SCR. Mark Serbu, weapons designer extraordinair, did much of the design on this rifle.
This is a well done and credible review, since Bloke on the Range purchased his SCR and wasn’t provided with a “complimentary” product to review. Having said that, you are misinformed on Mark Serbu’s participation on the SCR’s design. Mark and Geoff Herring (the SCR’s actual designer) have been friends for a couple of decades and Mark helped machine one of the (*originally* 0:39 MSR’s) early lower receivers. Period. Mark had no further contribution to this product or its design.
BOTR. Long Time No See!!! Sorry for not watching the lot of your videos! I'm very busy this whole year. I know that I like Fightlite SCR.
Always liked guns with proper rifle looks. Wood+steel and I am sold.
I get the feeling this would look beautiful in chestnut stock and handguard.
Have a look on their website, they have that option
Wood and aluminum. I guess the barrel and bolt are steel.
The do make walnut
In this format the ridiculousness of the forward assist really shows. Sometimes removing an item from its normal element can highlight its attributes or lack there of.
That looks like an answer to a question that nobody asked.
New York and California have entered the chat
BTW- a Muzzel protector is good to go for California.
Muzzle brakes are also okay. Flash hiders are specifically forbidden.
@@themastermason1 Flash hiders are legal on non semiautomatic rifles. Would never think of adding one to my bolt action .223 / 5.56 rifles.
I love those!
From 14 to 20 was a good group!🇬🇧🏴
At 300m with a red dot, and factory ammo your results were good. I could list what I would do to the rifle for better accuracy but limited space and time, but the ammunition would be a start for consistency.
Just a note, you can have a threaded muzzle on a rifle in California, but you can only have a muzzle brake, not a flash suppressor. It's pistols that can't have threaded barrels.
Think this is an underrated design, although perhaps the buffer tube is a bit cludgy an idea. This better suits the Everyman rifle concept than do scout rifles.
Also, I think the more traditional design more suited to home defence use as it’s more usable as a club than are pistol grip style weapons- you don’t have to change your grip hitting someone for one thing. 🤷🏻
For the price of that lower ther trigger should feel like sheer gold
If muzzle blast is a problem, I would suggest a blast can/attenuator. it will be sending flash forward and away from you and all others.
As to California, I built my featureless around the Thordsen FRS-15 Gen-I stock, a Sentinel .223 Wylde 1-8 twist free floated barrel in a UTG 15-inch forearm. The barrels muzzle is threaded and as long as one uses a "Brake" and not an evil "Flash-Hider" you're golden and can have the magazine release and (sigh) 10-round magazines. This upper is topped with a 2x7 Vortex Crossfire BDC scope will happily turn in sub-moa with most offerings. though it does tend to really like the heavier projectiles Hornady Frontier 68 BTHP and Hornady Black 75 BTHP match, and 77 grain Sierra BTHP Match-Kings. The lower houses a Rock-River 2-stage national match drop in trigger which is glorious, breaking right at 3-pounds.
I feel like this gun would be much improved with a left hand side charging handle.
You could always put a left side charging handle upper on it :)
I can't hear the words 'Primary Arms' being spoken normally any more. It *has* to be said in a Micah-from-Garand-Thumb fashion!
I haven't figured out the magic sauce for lightweight rifles that don't string. As far as I can tell, it's down to luck. I've built, and seen built, dozens of pencil-barreled rifles, some free float, some not, and some of them will string or wander, and some of them won't. I've seen some perform terribly at 100m, and some perform great at 700.
The best explanation I can offer is that it's down to the barrel itself. When you shave them down that far, any residual stress in the material is going to make itself known - and of course, it's either there, or it isn't. And cost on the barrel might not make a difference, since it's a function of the blank, not the finishing.
In any case, I've never seen a good study on the subject, and it would be a lot of work to do it.
Look at zoomed-in muzzle compared to features on the grass behind. It varies a fair bit.
I refuse to believe these are real. I’ve never seen one IRL and yet I’ve seen several of the belt fed uppers/rifles dating back to when they were ARES Defense Systems, and those are stupidly expensive pieces of kit.
I'd really like to see the MCR belt-fed upper on an SCR lower 🤣
Brownells says some models are in stock now. They’re usually accurate about stock.
Man, that thing looks badass! Gun grabbers: "OMG!!! It's a fully semi automatic Assault Rifle!!!" ..."Oh, wait a minute. It isn't all black. Nevermind."
I was kicking around the Idea of one of those with a 6.5 Grendel upper on it as a deer rifle.
I was too, but I'm on the fence of an 18" or 20".
I don't think you would truthfully be able to see the difference. The 18" would be my choice@@edwardscott3507
I really want one but cannot find one anywhere
Strange to see this this morning, as for some reason I woke up this morning thinking that I wished someone would make a carbine in 5.56 that was as light (or close) and handy as an M1 carbine, with a bore close to the grip and a low sight/scope line. Since there is some vertical movement of the rat tail, buffer, and spring, I wonder if that is the source of your vertical dispersion.
I've always wanted to see one of these run through a 2-gun competition, just for funsies.
It will happen!
@@BlokeontheRange @Bloke on the Range Excellent!
I built out a customized version of one of these rifles (Magpul SGA stock and a BRN-180 upper reciever) for a family member in an assault-weapons-ban state, and as part of the effort I installed both a CMMG ambi magazine release and the longest extended magazine release I could identify at the time. Out of the two the ambi release was the only useful one - catcher's mitts or spider-fingers are required to reach even the extended mag release with the right hand without breaking a firing grip.
Nice video so you're saying you don't have last round bolt hold open ? Because I read somewhere that all the newer versions comes with it installed so you have an older version ?
It has it, but it won't actuate other than with the 5 round PMag they supplied. I suspect that it will wear in over time and start working.
How is your sling attached to the rear of the receiver? It looks like it's attached to the forward-assist charger housing somehow. Thanks
There's a QD socket in the forward assist hole
Did that require some type of modification to make it work? I have the exact same rifle, about to mount an LPVO and head to range for the first time. Thanks for your reply@@BlokeontheRange
I wonder if it’s Canadian legal?
I want one and use a self contiained upper like a brn180
A *_Lovecraftian HORROR_* unleashed upon the world
I found my SCR works well with most modern mags but it won't stay open with an old 20 round GI mag with an aluminum follower. I really like the Lancer magazines, even more so than the MagPul.
Update. I got a new repro aluminum follower in my 20 round GI mag and it works perfectly now. The mag was originally a National Guard issued item, and then spent a few years with a police department, so it's been used pretty heavily.
Rather attractive, I think.
Maybe get the free-floated version and have my own Star Wars blaster. 👽
Where can I buy one ???
What would one use for "Iron sights" on this rifle? Fightlite used to offer a "clamp onto the gas block" front sight and a rail mounted rear sight but I don't see that being offered on their website now.
I'm not sure, probably the LPA rear sight but you'd probably have to get some sort of custom front sight given that Fightlite don't do one any more.
@@BlokeontheRange LPA Sights of Italy?
I wonder if the lower will accept a brn180 upper since the recoil system doesn't depend on a buffer tube.
30 seconds on Google says "yes, but with some modification"
I'm hoping to find that out first hand someday 🤞
Is it a lower only? Or is it a complete rifle? Your handguard seems to match the stock. Other videos i seen were just lowers. So i thought that was how they were sold.
You can buy it either as a lower or as a complete rifle. I bought mine as a complete rifle.
0:58 I actually thought that the Fightlites intentionally did not have a hold open. Like as a feature. That way if a hold open ever gets banned these rifles would still be good. I find it interesting they have one
Threaded barrel is ok for CA if I rember correctly, but isn't in NY
I wish I could loan you my SU16C! Same overall form, but a long-stroke piston; I currently have the conventional SU stock on mine--not the skeletonized underfolder.
Is the rear sling swivel actually mounted in the forward assist position?
Yes it is
I loved my su-16C. It's so light & compact, a real value and legally compliant in tbe state I used to live in.
@@TomSalesJr Indeed! The only problem I have had with mine was chamber fouling from steel-cased ammo, easily corrected by a good cleaning.
@@petesheppard1709 My zero would start to shift after 2-3 mags rapid fire. Also, it got really really hot. But a heavier barrel would weigh more. I'm comfortable with the trade off. Though the B model with a pencil barrell anecdotally wandered after after 1 mag.
@@TomSalesJr Interesting! I never pushed my SU that hard. I favor a slower rate of fire.
Have you tried other pmags to see if the bolt hold open works with them?
Yes. It doesn't do so reliably.
@@BlokeontheRange shame
It might wear in and start working reliably
100 MOA?
It may sound stupid but I have wanted one of those lowers with the ps90/ar57 upper. Just for a toy but I believe it would be super cool and have 50 rounds in a sleek package.
I don't think it would work. The 5.7 uppers that use P90 mags are straight blowback, with a one piece bolt/carrier. It wouldn't be capatable with the buffer system.
The CMMG 5.7 uses their radial delayed system which uses a standard carrier IIRC, so it might be possible. No P90 mags though.
@@MandoWookie ah true, not with out a hybrid bolt carrier. Oh well, neat idea at least lol
Where/how does one get a scr lower or rifle in Europe? I have looked everywhere!
Brownells
@@pennerblogger Brownells in one European country won't deliver to another even if the goods are unregulated.
@@Karnverksamheten yeah they are also very good at overcharging.
What sling adapter are you using?
Something Chinesium from Aliexpress
I like the flight lite lower bc ever since I was young I shot a SKS. With prices now I rather run a more practical and cheaper rifle. So a AR like my bros would be good, but I never really liked the pustol grip on rifles. This lower makes a good middle ground for me :)
Is the lower so different that they couldn’t have adapted one of the nice AR triggers to work with their system?
Yes, the trigger's waaaay back compared to a normal one, plus the hammer is skinny to pass through a slot in the rat's tail. When I get a chance to do a tabletop video, all will be revealed.
@@BlokeontheRange I look forward to seeing the guts of this one. Thanks
Isn't this a direct competitor to Ruger's Mini 14?
Basically, yes. Only it's much better!
Dang Mike, you make me so jealous. I've been wanting one of those
SCR's for a couple of years now, but I can't seem to catch them in stock here in the Southern United States. I better check and see if I'm still on the waiting list for when they come back in stock. Oh, By The Way, are you enjoying the NERO 556 on your WWSD AR rifle? Why don't you give us a quick rundown on performance, likes, don't like,& etctera. You might consider putting the NERO 556 on your FightLite rifle & see what kind of performance you could get out of the Walker and FightLite combination. I would be really interested in your take on that combination and I'm sure a lot of your followers would be as well! Thanks for all you do for us, Mike. Regards, Matt In North Texas
I haven't actually tried the NERO .223 yet, I think that it's certainly a good option for putting on the SCR!
@@BlokeontheRange After your response of the performance of the 9mm NERO and you haven't given the 223 NERO a shakedown yet? Give it a try Mike, I think you are in for a surprise. Just be sure to make a video about it. You are in for a real treat. I think we will be also, watching your response!
I didn't think that initial group was all that terrible (minus the first two rounds, of course) at 300 meters, considering it was a non-magnified optic. I live in the middle third of the USA, and can buy pretty much whatever, but I still wouldn't mind having one of those. The only turnoff is the cost compared to a "regular" AR.
Can you put in a drop in trigger?
No, cos the trigger's been moved waaaay back and the hammer needs to be skinny for reasons that will become apparent in a future video :)
Schönes Gewehr.
Can the trigger be changed out?
No, there's no aftermarket triggers for them yet
$1.400 US. and 5.8 lbs (2.63 Kg) a bit much. I would prefer a least scary look and light weight (under 5 lbs) but I can own ARs in my state FL. It has it's place.
What kind of sope is that. Looks nice.
As stated in the video, Primary Arms SLX 1x microprism
@@BlokeontheRange Entschuldigung. Noch nicht 100% wach.
They make these with walnut stocks, I want one...
Everyone likes a little reach around.
Almost seems like it wants to be hot?
First comment. Also, I love my SCR.
Ah the I want too be a scout rifle.
If only they’d make a 308/7.62x51 sized one
Does it not have a buffer tube?
Also, it would be cool if they made one with a mid length gas system.
You can put a mid length upper on it. You can put any direct impingement upper on it you want.
No, there's no buffer tube, there's a FAL-type or Remington 1100-type mainspring tube that goes down into the butt. I'll show and tell when I get the time to do a tabletop vid on it.
With the stock shape you can’t have a conventional buffer tube. The whole point of the gun is the “trick” they have done to remove the need for one.
Kicks a lot for a .223?
Nah, it's a total pussycat. It's only 3kg and with no muzzle device.
The dropped stock results in more of an upward turn to the recoil compared to a normal inline AR stock. At least I think that’s how it would work.
But does it though? That's actually partly why I got it: I have a datalogging accelerometer so we can find out objectively.
@@BlokeontheRangei have a .308 on which I recently moved the scope up an inch. It made a huge difference to how much the rifle jumps up. I can now see bullet impact at 100m, previously I couldn't see it at almost any distance.
@@BlokeontheRange Can't wait to see the data between a vanilla AR and this FrankenAR
Go LPVO , and annoying muzzel break.
the proper way to deal with that is a crush washer.
If you can crush a crush washer with your finger and thumb, you're stronger than I am ;)
Interesting rifle, very rough and inconclusive testing.
what country is this range again?
Switzerland
eine Frage wo gehst du denn300 Meter Schiessen in der Schweiz und bist du in einem Verein oder wo kann man denn einfach so 300 Mete Schiessen in der Schweiz ???
Looks like a Frankencarbine.
Now you did it. It is in need of an EVH pinstripe job.^^
@@onpsxmember What does EVH mean?
Your eye is quite far outside the eye relief of the optic. This may be contributing to parallax error.
You know you can just center the reticle kinda like you do with iron sights, right?
its not pretty. but definitely interesting. Unfortunately, until IL anti 2A law is repealed, even this Franken AR is on banned lists due to high capacity mags.
Rip not 50 state legal anymore
All of the assault weapons bans are going to be struck down, so it will be soon.
When I see the comments about the usa laws I just wonder what they think about what happened here in the uk when we lost our rights to own our guns and got screwed
How about shoot off the magazine?
A rifle for people whose governments are scared of plastic furniture and pistol grips!!
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it's a mini 14 🤔🤷
I mean, this rifle seems to handle and perform decently. But boy is it fugly. Especially with gray stock, stubby handguard that looks fat due to the lengthy thin barrel in front of it. And oh boy it looks bad with a mag over 10 rounds in capacity.
It just needs to be in 6x45 to be a real rifle. Shoot 90grs at 2700.
Or 6.8 SPC. That's an underrated cartridge.
@@joshklaver47 Yeah 6.8 spc does the same thing with a slightly bigger around 115gr bullet, but recoils more and only 26 fit in the same size magazine vs 30
@@edgarburlyman738 6.8mm or .270 bullets are essentially the sweet spot between aerodynamics and terminal ballistics. Hence why the .270 Win is such a great calibre, and why the US military is moving to 6.8x51mm/.277 Fury. If you want to put your target down hard, it will inevitably involve some amount of recoil at your end.
@@joshklaver47 They should have gone to 6.8 spc rather than .277 fury. They'd be ten times better off.
@@edgarburlyman738 6.8 SPC could never deliver the kind of energy and range they were looking for in a barrel that short. They had to go up to an AR-10 size action to get the necessary case capacity. That said, I hope the hybrid case technology gets applied to the 6.8 SPC as well. There's definitely a place for a 6.8 round that gets the maximum potential in an AR-15 size action. Hybrid cases are probably the next big step for firearms technology. It's exciting.
Would still be illegal in Canada unfortunately. Good old fashioned Canadian paranoia, oh what it takes from our firearms community (or even the country in general).