Mud Test: M1 Garand
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ธ.ค. 2015
- One of the first InRange videos included a mud test on an M1A (M14) in a modified Troy stock.
Ever since the release of that controversial video we've been asked to do something similar with an M1 Garand - in the standard stock.
This video is part of a series of M1 Garand tests we're going to do, so please subscribe and watch for the rest!
Here we go...
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mud test on a bow and arrow
+Jack Lamb It'd work. ~Karl
+InRangeTV Are you sure? The arrow might get jammed up in there XD
Beliserius1 but the weight and drag of water can misdirect the arrow
Arrow shoots, but it is horrible for the archer (if using a proper heavy weight bow). Just don't, unless you are using a bow with under 40 pound draw.
put the arrowhead in the mud
instant infection
actually i dont know shit, nvm
Honestly if my Garand was covered in mud like this I think would cry like a little girl.
Me to
me too, this video hurt my soul. I have to face camp perry and pray to john garand after watching this.
+gold54bs *too
LOL you are indeed little girls. Clean it off and deal with it.
*_*crying like a little girl intensifies*_*
Somewhere out there, thousands of Garands screamed in unison.
*pinged
You don't think they have seen worse?
RebSike I was going to say that xD
Not if the owner could prevent it. Not when their lives depended on that gun working.
My garand in the army did get covered in mud a lot of times, that's how you get to learn your gun in the army. With the garand you can clean it enough in a creek or lake, to get it going again in just a few minutes. And i would never have done so if i was my own, not the armys property :)
00:52
"Ready?"
Me: no please don't do it
The M1 Garand: the gun where you accidentally say you're inserting a mag when you mean to call it a clip.
worth watching just for the PING
Patton is rolling in his grave right now
BOOM
BOOM
BOOM
BOOM
BOOM
BOOM
BOOM
BOOM
...
"DID IT GO PING?"
"WHAT?!"
"DID IT GO PING?!"
"HOW THE HELL WOULD I KNOW, I JUST HAD EIGHT ROUNDS OF 30-06 GO OFF BY MY EAR!"
heh, I was once doing some combat training in finnish army, and started to wonder why my rk-62 is smoking so much. I popped the gun open.. had about 4 inch long dry pine twig inside there, slowly burning. Didn't even need to take it out, gun worked just fine :-D if it is smaller than a squirrel, it shouldn't affect the gun ;-) BTW gun sights are interesting when doing combat in snow. its natural reaction to blow into the back sight if its clogged with snow. that is the worst thing to do, as the snow slightly melts, freezes over again, and voila, you just lost back sight.
prowokator also don't do it when you get snow in the muzzle. Better to knock it against a tree than try to blow it out, or even brush it off. Learned that the hard way.
I still love Garands. I'll just try not to pour mud on mine lol.
you should make this exact test with like EVERY gun
+weeeds334 Do you have every gun, available to loan them?
+Goldmarble i do
+weeeds334 I want to know how well bolt action rifles will run, especially the Japanese Type 99 Rifle with the dust-cover installed.
weeeds334 M4
When the Garand was undergoing acceptance trials the vulnerability of the mechanism to mud was observed and noted in reports. The weapon was adopted nevertheless because its other strengths more than compensated for that weakness. Furthermore, no semi-auto rifle evaluated up to that time by Ordnance Branch was in any way generally superior to the Garand. The high command realized the mud question would have to addressed by rigorous and effective training rather than by some sort of new mud-resistant rifle design. Remember, this was the mid-1930s, weapons like the FG-42 and the StG-44 with features that inspired Eugene Stoner to create his amazing AR-15 were in the future.
The training of American soldiers to understand and maintain their weapons was much more intense and in-depth in the years just prior to and during WWII than in previous wars, especially the 1914-1918 Great War. Thanks to Woodrow Wilson's dunderheaded pacifism, the United States entered that cataclysm totally unprepared in most categories of modern warfare as practiced by the other belligerent powers. We had only a handful of machineguns, and those were generally inferior to world standards. We had no modern artillery, no modern combat aircraft, no tanks, and our standing army in April 1917 would have been hard-pressed to engage the army of Portugal, let alone the forces of Imperial Germany. All we had was a respectable navy and millions of untrained men.
In the rush to get those men recruited, trained, equipped, and transported to France lots of shortcuts were taken and priorities were unrealistically skewed toward obsolete means of maneuver and combat. Far too much time was given over to close order drill and bayonet practice, and not nearly enough devoted to realistic training suitable for conditions on the Western Front. When the "doughboys" arrived in France they impressed everyone with their impressive physiques, their precise marching, and their enthusiasm. However, when the first American troops got into the line too many units tried to fight the Germans like it was the Battle of Antietam. A lot of men died who would have lived if their training had been more comprehensive and suitable to the realities of modern war.
Too many men did not sufficiently understand even their relatively simple Enfield and Springfield bolt guns to do competent field maintenance or to avoid simple and extremely dangerous mistakes like barrel obstruction. It's not my claim that these points weren't addressed in the soldiers' stateside training, but that the training was brief, dry, and perfunctory -- typically rote lectures delivered by tediously droning sergeants reading aloud directly from the field manual. In terms of military pedagogy, the training methods used in 1917 were less than effective.
In WWII the armed forces of the United States took the lessons of the Great War to heart and created training regimens unmatched in military history, and in a remarkably short time. In just a matter of a few months from December 1941, the Signal Corp created formats for training films, printed manuals, and classroom lectures. Among those creations were superscale models of infantry weapons such as machineguns, mortars, and hand grenades for use in classroom presentions. Furthermore, these training regimens and aids were constantly updated to keep abreast of battlefield experience and enemy means and devices revealed by military intelligence services. Sometimes training films were released after the subject matter had been revised. In those cases, an introduction sequence was often edited in explaining that some points to be covered were no longer applicable. Lecture material was included along with the film for the officer or NCO in charge of the presentation to address those obsolete points.
TH-cam has dozens, perhaps hundreds of these training films available. There are even a few Nazi-era German training films available, and it is interesting to compare the style and substance of American training films to their enemy's similar efforts. Of particular relevance to this mud test conducted by Karl and Ian are these two videos: th-cam.com/video/iS4bVuQDadw/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/R4Ljh5zLBpY/w-d-xo.html . Everyone with an interest in the M1 Garand will profit by watching them.
Well this explains why the M1 Garand had a cotton canvas action cover available as a accessory.
wow, M1 Garand sound is just outstanding
FYI :don't throw your rifle in a mud bog and expect it to function without a complete strip down and cleaning/lube.
I love that you guys did all these mud tests. You've proven that the ar15 most battle tested mbr is the best shtf gun to have. Glad I got one and glad they are now so affordable. And also glad I got a DD GG2 so I can mill my own on the cheap.
I just recently bought an M1 and I wanted to sort of keep it secret from my family. I spent about a month waiting for a chance to shoot it just to see if it works. I loaded a clip and kept expecting the bolt to immediately fly forward. When it didn't I thought something was insanely wrong. In a panic, I spent about 10 minutes trying to purposefully induce Garand thumb, God finally gave me a freebie and sent the bolt forward. After finishing the test I realized what I did and for the next week I had a hand print on my forehead the size of Wichita.
what I really like about you guys is that you are not super attached to these weapons like some of the fans are. its a tool, accentually, and you guys test it as such. love it guys
Awesome test, thank you for doing this! These are the best torture tests ive seen.
It's too bad the Garand action fails this test, being a big mini-14 fan.
Thay doesnt surprise me in the least. Thankyou guys for doing these tests. Keep up the great work and keeping it professional.
This video made me cry, but I’m also glad someone has the balls to do this is such a precious and beautiful gun I could never do this
Next I want to see 3rd Gen. rifles put to the test: SCAR, ARX, and ACR going against the AR-15.
Wonder why Marines can keep their M1G always clean even their battlefields were mainly muddy in Pacific more than the Army in Europe during WW2.
Having just watched a bunch of the later ones the instant fun and crazyness of this video is refreshing.
Can't say I didn't see this coming. Good job guys!
My my my...the sound of that rifle firing and cycling is music to my ears! There's something about that action that makes me smile. I've got a mini-14 and it's almost as if you can feel each individual action as it cycles and I love it. Sadly I haven't yet had the pleasure of a Garand or M1A, but there's still hope yet.
I get what you guys are trying to do, but this made me cringe...Old gal deserves a cush retirement.
+The Cosmoline Crate The rifle was not harmed, is cleaned, zeroed and lubricated - working fine. In my opinion, these rifles are war horses not flowers. :P ~Karl
agree 100%
A little anticipated recoil flinch ....:))
Love the content!! Please keep it up.
+golfnstuf It was an attempt to defeat a rock behind the trigger... ~Karl
I know the ping is legendary, but the sound of the gunfire itself is positively heartwarming.
That muddy stuff, that is why you have a bayonet!
God i love the sound of the garand when the clip is done
You guys should start a playlist with these torture tests. It would really help people discover your older content later on!
This is why you don't feed your M1 to the Mud Bog monster.....Ping on my friends
I am wondering, this looks like the extreme of what these guns could go through, what would be a realistic test for these rifles. I still love these videos, and it is very informative to see these rifles go through such conditions. Keep up the good work.
0:56 the mud test is important, but damn Karl why did you have to drop the forestock against the edge of the wheelbarrow, thats just uncalled for
Thanks for the mud test videos. Please be careful with these tests, I am afraid the mud will give with the firing pin stuck while you guys are trying to clear and clean it. Not sure if that is possible, but just be safe.
Thank you. I really wanted to see this test, which simulated the results if a soldier fell into a severely muddy area. It certainly makes bolt action rifles with removable magazines much more appealing during our mud season. The AK test will be equally interesting.
I remember many hours spent disassembling and assembling both the M1 and the 1911 against a stop watch. I believe the reason for this was so what you displayed does not happen. Granted if it came to a shot had to be fired and all you had was a rifle laying in the mud take the shot and pour water through the action to resume. That is how I learned to respond to such conditions. A clean weapon is a happy weapon!
You should get a bigger container and just dunk that thing in there.
+1 this
+Jacob Galfi Bishop: noun
1.
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synonyms: diocesan, metropolitan, suffragan, eparch, exarch; formalprelate
"a meeting of the bishops"
And risk having the gun explode due to mud obstructing the barrel? I guess they could plug the barrel before they threw it in the mud but dunking the whole thing in mud would be complete overkill, just getting it on and around the action is fine.
Great video. I shot M1's and M14's for many years in competition. I had a guy next to me at a match just about slice his hand off after a slamfire so that stuck firing pin could have been a bad time for you guys.
Great Video! It's very interesting to see what these rifles can truly handle! I have to say though, after the first FTF the rifle could have be recocked with the trigger guard... If the first round had fired it might have cleared some debris.
Great video guys! Was the susceptibility to mud a design flaw of the Garand or more simply just drawbacks of a top loading and rather open action that self-loaders of the time mostly all shared?
+nutsandgum The design is just very open to the ingress of debris. The tracks/rails are all exposed, the bolt lugs and locking surfaces are exposed, there's a huge hole for entry of filth when in battery, and the system is closed inside with no magazine for any escape.
It literally fills up with gunk and stops. Any gun will fail with this much crud in the action, the goal of the design is to block the stuff from getting in. ~Karl
This hurt to watch...but I searched for this video and I'm glad I saw it!!
Sten SMG, Owens SMG (Forgotten Australian SMG known for being robust)
This is why the British army did not except the M1 Garand into service. Their own tests conducted in WW2 came to the conclusion that it was an unrefined technology. It needed further revision before it could be declared suitable for military service, they where however impressed with the semi-auto principle.
In Range, love the show. in regards to the firing pin, the pin will retract on contact with the m1 receiver when the bolt closes. A protruding pin is insignificant.
It never ceases to amaze me how fast the mud dries in the sun
What an awesome gun! Love that sound!!
Still got access to that Owen Gun, Ian? I'd love to see a modern test.
It's not the prettiest firearm, and the Australian army initially didn't see the use for a sub machine gun prior to WWII (one of the reasons for it's initial rejection), but when the government later told them they did, they used an MP40, Sten and Thompson as benchmarks for comparison, which all failed instantly during mud and sand testing.
The Owen continued on flawlessly.
I know a lot of people love the m1 for its nostalgia, but overall i think its quite an impractical weapon
Well, i think you're wrong. There's nothing Impractical about it, and still makes for a better rifle than the M14
Hot Damn! I always forget just how much the Garand absolutely ROARS when it fires.
Merry Christmas guys! Great test, I was quite surprised to see the very first round fail to go off. I expected the first round the fire and then a hard failure. This is really making me want to see a FAL go through the same test. Any interest?
So.......Marines in Pacific were so fucked with the mud.
+Der Kaiser Wilhelm II They were trained to avoid and mitigate the problem if possible. There are period training videos on this very topic. ~Karl
Der Kaiser Wilhelm II I believe they covered them with something that resembled a bag aswell.
Karl,looks like you've lost a few pound in the year since you posted this video.Great channel,always look forward to a new episode.
FINALLY! SOMEBODY ON TH-cam PRONOUNCES IT CORRECTLY.
+Brian Colborn Not correct.
Yes it is. His name was pronounced John Gerrand.
And literally nobody calls the gun that.
That doesn't make it correct. It was a mispronunciation that the US military just overlooked for so many years, that people just believe that's how it's pronounced. Btw, nice username. Suits you rather well.
+Brian Colborn Because it's consequential to the function of the gun? To referring to what it is? Stop being such a pedant.
on iwo jima there is a video of a marine trying to open the action of an m1 with volcanic sand in the action
I get a better understanding of how tough it was for American G.I.s during WW2 in the pacific. Great video guys.
I'm gonna cry
I would hope the M14 would be slightly better considering it's an improved M1.
If it did worse, it wouldn't be much of an improvement.
Thats why the FN49 has small dustcover you can slide forward to save the action from debree.
Damn that thing makes a beautiful sound.
This was an interesting video. During a dig in Germany I've recovered a jammed M1 Garand rifle, it still had 6 rounds in the clip and a spent casing in the chamber. The jam on the rifle looks very similar to the jam on your second test. Poor GI didn't survive...
I LOVE THIS SERIES!!!!!!!!!!
One of the most beautiful rifles ever! Great Canadian engineering
Taking away the Garand's ability to ping should be illegal
I love my m1 garand, never did a mud test, but I always new that void, and OP tracks were a weak point for that test in particular
I spent 9 months and 15 days in VN as a "rifleman" in an infantry platoon. Don't remember ever seeing any firearm this muddy.
The M1 Garrand...Ahhh Yes.!!!...That Sweet Succulent sound of Bullet through flesh. -Unknow Poet "1944
A video with this or a M1 carbine in comparison to a SVT-40 and G41 would be cool if you could get your hands on them.
The sound of this gun shooting is music to my ears. Damn I want a Garand.
I realize there isn't any "soil " in AZ to make what most of us picture when we hear mud. I believe this mud test might reflect the Pacific theater somewhat.
In the European theater I think you might see this kind of stone soup on the beaches, but man, Arizona mud is some nasty shit!!!
Looks more like mortar mix.
Thanks for your videos!
+Ruhrpottpatriot Interesting, I had no idea parts of Europe were this way. I always equated course sand with desert conditions.
Thanks for setting me straight.
Merry Christmas
+Jerry Long Also in north africa
OMG 😳
Don't scratch the rifle with the steel shovel man!
😭
What are you doing!
😂
(a lot of people immediately thought)
I would appreciate if you would mud test a Lee Enfield. Was used alongside most of these other rifles you test. I am curious if the loose chamber etc is as good as good in dirty conditions as people say. Maybe get a large freezer and do ice tests too? Not sure if it would be safe, might need a remote firing setup.
I imagine the chance of getting one isn't high, but I'd love to see this test with an FNC, or, even better, an AK5. I'm very interested to see how well that trick spring-loaded dust cover works.
Why I replaced my M1A with a Scar 17s. That and I fall on my face more often when in the great outdoors than I used to due to old age.
I just watched this video back to back after the AR15 video, and I was like, "Holy shit, that thing's loud..."
Is there any chance you guys would be able to mud test the M1941 Johnson Rifle? I feel like doing a side by side comparison, Johnson vs Garand, mud test would make for a great video, hell if you guys were able to take a bunch different of WWII era self-loading service rifles and conduct these tests, that'd be even cooler. Granted obtaining the rifles for the test might be more difficult than i can even imagine.
The M1 Garand is the greatest battle implement ever devised!
no
not when it comes to the mud test lol
any rifle of that period would share a similar failure rate, it was the best rifle of the era
The horror
0:56 That Garand was like,
_NO, I’M NOT GOING IN THERE !_
Got to say...that was painful to see such a nice old rifle being abused in that manner. And your conclusions are most certainly correct...as far as it goes with mud of such consistency. When dealing with muck containing particles large enough to bridge over the operating clearances within the mechanism it's critical to keep that stuff OUT! Having looser internal working clearances WILL allow smaller debris a place to go without jamming stuff up, but when you have concrete slurry that's not going to work just because your rocks are way bigger than any working clearance is ever going to be.
I know that every test can be argued, and Good Job on doing these! But running the same tests with more representative muck with smaller particle size could totally change the outcome. The AK (assuming it's not built too tight...which I see in US built guns often as people like them tight) would eat a small particle slurry where that same goop would penetrate the AR and clog it up. My M-16A1 fired ONE round after going through the Infliltration Course and had the bolt carrier stuck all the way back. Had to crunch it home one forward assist notch at a time until I could break it open and clean it....and this was just sand. (mostly) All small particle stuff which is the bane of the AR's and what the AK's laugh at. Keep up your testing and maybe re-run with small particle goop if you don't agree with my logic....but I think it's sound.
I have to say I didn't expect the rifle to make that manly of a sound
There's a WWII Garand training film where the Army is explicit that mud will stop it. They make it clear that once you have mud in the action, you're out of business until you strip it and clean it.
P.S. in another video mud even messed up the fabled AK. He could manually cycle it, but not quickly.
Is there anyone in existence (barring Axis WWII vets) who DOESN'T love that pinging noise when it throws out the empty clip? Man I love that sound
I've read that Marines on Okinawa sometimes had to kick their M1 bolts into battery with their boots because of the mud. I suppose you could always try that...
I love that iconic “Ching!” so much
Thanks from Texas.
I understand the concept behind these vids, but history still tells a different story. The M1 was known for its reliability and it fought it every type of environment. This is not to say it didn't have failures but I know vets and current members of the armed forces who curse the AR platform. Run these guns thru realistic scenarios, firing hundreds of rounds. Soldiers are trained to keep their guns out of the mud. They try to avoid getting them buried in it. Then after that trial run, see which one is easier to get back in action after a stoppage. Just on the range, a friend's AR's bolt locked to the barrel and we would've broke the T-handle forcing it. M1s can be kicked open. Thankfully it did fire or getting that out would've been alot more dangerous. Most of my M1s have never failed me save for misfires, one case head separation (Keep a headless case extractor in your butt trap.), and one gun whose as built original op-rod has a badly worn piston. Just my two cents.
Sounds so good.
DANG! that .30'06 report just sounds WAY powerful
0:33
God, that sound is delicious. Imagine having to fight against that, the sound alone would be demoralizing.
ptr91 or hk91 mud test would be cool to see I think roller delayed blowback would be reliable in the same situation
Oh god I don’t want to watch but can’t look away.
please do this with a g3! id love to see that
+Jason Derrer We don't have one, we'd have to acquire one or get a loaner. Maybe someday. ~Karl
+InRangeTV I'll send you my cetme clone
+Jason Derrer I would love to see that!
Sounds so beautiful
Great series of tests. They certainly earn a HUGE more amount of respect for the AR-15, I'll tell you that. I'll never "take if for granted" again.
how does this make the ar look better? Colt m4s jam endlessly. They gave the military the crap version with non piston in gas chamber causing endless jams.
Jeff Monroe I'd reply to you if there was the slightest hint you knew what you're talking about.
+GetMeThere1 really 6 years of range time and I've had over 10 jams. 3 different guns same problems.
www.cbsnews.com/pictures/replacing-the-m16-five-lethal-candidates/ one of many articles as well as my experience talking with others.
Jeff Monroe LOL. My advice: Don't look to CBS news for information on guns!
i have an M1 and seeing it with all that mud hurts my soul
I’m a Brit. If that was a Lee Enfield, you’d be desecrating a museum piece. In the USA, you’re merely soiling some surplus, haha!
Hey guys I really like your vids . I just watched the AR15 mud test . One thing , the comments were disabled . Good vids deserve to be commented on for better or worse . Free speech gentle men is something to cherish not fear ! Again very good vids Rock On !
+Al Codie Free speech is awesome, garbage being shoveled into our inbox constantly by idiots and fools is not. ~K
I figure it can be more frustrating then I can imagine but don't you like a good debate ? Or in the very least point out just how foolish some idiots are : ) and maybe give a little education in the process .
that badass sound... m1 garand baby