Mud Test: Enfield Ishapore 2a/2a1
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- Mud Test: Enfield Ishapore 2a/2a1
We receive endless requests for mud tests, but the Enfield has been high on that already large list.
We decided to give the Enfield it's best chance of success by using the Ishapore 2a chambered in 308 NATO. This rifle is identical in every way to the WW1 Enfield, albeit chambered in a rimless round.
Here we go...
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Can we just take a moment to admire Ian's majestic left hand bolt action skills
He is pretty bad a$$!
That caught me right off guard
he fucking shreds
@@anneominous7172 Erect??ME TOO!!!
As soon as I witnessed it, I knew this would be the top comment
I think the true winner here is that True Temper wheelbarrow, it's always half full of mud on these tests and still works flawlessly
I would say it's half empty.
@@danieldykstra3079I would say it's the wrong size.
I would've went with a yard king.
@@ashilino My True Temper is a champ, and it's better because it's camouflage green!
“Bolt action is safe for civilians to own, they aren’t capable of high right of fire”
Ian: okay
He shot it left handed too. Faster then most right handed shooters
British BEF 1914 hold my tea
Dang it ian, slow down. You're gonna get our bolt actions banned too. ;-)
aSsAuLt BoLt-AcTiOnS
"Mad minute" master
It doesn't matter man America proved bolt were already obsolete in battle
They’re already talking about getting rid of all the firearms in the us and giving us only muskets
Mad minute muskets. @@frindjinny6
Holy Crap! Ian was fast on that bolt! I've seen right handers not be able to run an Enfield that fast.
Mayve it was at ×10 speed
Start watching this video at the 3 minute mark if you didn't know about Ian's bolt-working style: th-cam.com/video/HtxXZcnf2sY/w-d-xo.html
Ian is faster left handed with a bolt gun than than I am right handed with a semi-auto
Judging by how well he can cycle a bolt as a left handed shooter, I can say I no longer feel intimidated the day I have to fire one left handed, since my right eye is fucked and I have to shoot left handed if I ever want to have a sight picture lmao.
When you run a bolt so fast that Congress considers passing regulation on your hands
@ 2:46 WOW.
also thanks now i need to buy a 308. enfield
I have a Ishy 2A and it rocks. if you find one then get it. Great rifle.
? I don't get it
3:02 "You'd like to RRRRRRRrrrrrrrr?"
Sounds like they added in a clip of him saying "wow" from a different video
Quick 5 rounds fired by any standard but particularly impressive rate of fire by a portsider
So today we learned that a dirty Lee Enfield runs like a clean mosin.
Kieran Fitzgerald I love it!
@Kieran Fitzgerald
Clean your locking lug recess.
Just get the cosmoline out of her and she'll run like a beauty.
How the fuck do I clean those lug recesses? Like did the russians have a tool?
I'm not sure if leaving your rifle on a driveway is such a great idea :P
"Bloke on the Range" on suicide watch
Why?
1joshjosh1 because he idolizes the Enfield rifle in all its royal glory.
@@811brian ohhhhhh yah!!!
I thought it was something serious.
😂😂😂
You didn’t use mud from the somme
carcinogenic UNREALISTIC!!!!!!11111!1!
Maybe use indian made mud
less gritty than arizona mud
Too much sand and not enough soft muck.
So I guess the lesson here is if you find yourself transported back to Passchendaele as part of the BEF, make sure your canteen is topped off.
That would not likely have fixed the problem. ~K
it fixed it the first time though? obviously it's not perfect but it's better than nothing, and you have to admit that, while the mud test is a fairly cool look at failure points on guns, it's definitely a worst-case scenario.
Out of general curiosity, was the final failure fixable, and if so, how was it fixed?
@jack tarr You would not want to get near those holes. You might not be able to get out and and the water may contain chemicals you do not want to touch, both of which can get you killed.
@jack tarr The main goal would be to not die and make as many of the enemy die instead. Plenty of soldiers, I suspect, died of thirst and many men at Passchendaele died because they got stuck in the mud and could not get out and slowly suffocated even as men walked by. Just because there is water does not mean it is potable. The elements are as much a threat as the enemy. I am by no means a subject matter expert but if you're interested in WW-1 i found Dan Carlin's Hardcore History segment on The Great War to be a fantastic in depth podcast that taught me a lot about the horrors of that war.
@jack tarr Without a written record your grandfather's story will die with you. The best officers learn from the lessons of past generations of warriors, through the written record, rather than learning the hard way, with loss of human life. No person can experience in one lifetime all they needs to know.
As much as I love the Enfield, I kinda expected this, everything is exposed up top
Wonder if the old Lee-Metford/Enfield Mk I style dust cover would've done anything?
Honestly same. I love them but they’re not perfect, hence why the p14 exists. Either way like any other gun if not clean it won’t run
Nohara Loco that ten rounds has got to have been worth a LOT to guys in trenches. The fast bolt was probably handy too.
Also, you'd likely become attached to any rifle that is what comes between you and death.
Nohara Loco the failure is different as well. A mauser fails by breaking the chamber. The lee fails by bending the bolt.
Nohara Loco I know the indians still use No1 mk3s 2as for a lot of things, coppers, reserves etc, so I wouldnt be surpised of they have a tiny factory somewhere at least churning out spare parts.
A 4 MOA rifle is more than accurate enough for a battlefield weapon, especially without optics.
When we moved to the number 4 we should have chambered it in a rimless .303. Same bullet, same powder charge, just rimless.
in b4 the grenade mud test
Watch as thick Arizonan super mud prevents the second grenade's spoon from flipping. They had to function test the first one and fortunately edited out the moment they retrieved the shrapnel they put in the mud and tried to "reload the grenade".
I kind of just noticed what a nice looking gun the Enfield Ishapore is, something about the design speaks to me.
John O ́neil, the dark wood gives it quite a different look than the traditional bright orange.
I prefer the shape of the .303 as the mag looks more like part of the design but with .308 being much more available I can see the appealling practicalities of the Ish.
Hairyneil, agreed, the darker wood is more atttractive, most of the Enfields in the UK have the darker wood, certainly the SMLEs. You only tend to see the blonde wood on the No4s.
And here I am, 3 years later, still waiting for a Swedish m96 mud test...
In awe of how fast Ian runs that action.
Does this mean we will get a MAS 36 mud test? It has the rear locking lugs, but it doesn’t have the rail like a enfield. Would be pretty interesting to see the MAS go through the mud.
Watching the first 5 shots of the clean rifle in .25 speed to get an idea of how he's pulling the bolt so efficiently left handed.
Holy shit Ian's trigger discipline is on point lol
*cue bloke on the range saying rimlock isn't an issue
nama jeff This is an Ishapore .308... No rim.
AjackLee4 That was the point. To avoid rimlock.
Generally hasn't ever happened to me as an Enfield owner. Just gotta load right.
I know but Ian said that rimlock is an issue, something which Bloke dispelled as a gun myth
Rim lock is not an issue if you load the mag properly.
There's a reason the No. 3 had a bayonet issued with it.
Something about these mud tests is captivating. I can't quite put my finger on why, but you guys do it well.
I love the reverb off the mountains sounds so cool
Would be cool to see a Krag-Jorgenson vs Spanish 7mm Mauser, if only for the Spanish-American War theme.
And hell maybe a Springfield 1873 for good measure.
pcasey37,
I like your thinking.....
It is interesting watching the mud dry as you are trying to make the crew-served rifle work.
ian working the bolt left handed is one of the most amazing sights in the shooting world
I've been waiting so long for this.
Hey Ian, from your Ross rifle video you mentioned how they managed to work all of the critical flaws out of the system by the time Canada abandoned the rifle for the SMLE. Do you think that the finalized Ross Mk. III rifles would have been better or worse in trench conditions than the SMLE? I'd love to see a mud test on one. It would do a lot to either cement the Ross' reputation or rehabilitate it.
I love seeing these videos, not because it tells me what's the "best" gun but what's the likely problem and possible solution. Meaning it's not if the gun will fail under hard, dirty conditions but when, and when that does where the likely issue is and how to remedy. That "how to remedy" might be what leads a person to what firearm they might want to be in possession of if necessary. Thank you Karl and Ian.
Inrange the destroyer of sacred cows for all. lol
Please do the swedish mauser that would be interesting
Would be interesting to see if it did any different then the 98K.
But what i would LOVE to see would be a AG m/42 Ljungman or Hakim Mudtest.
Mattebubben why not both?
M Johansson because they are mechanically the same.
you should definitely do a vid on the carl gustav m96 the sheer pleasure of firing a 6.5x55 will make it worth your time regardless of the result
Another great video, nice left handed bolt technique!
P.S This really gives us a insight into how difficult WW1 must have been.. considering the trenches n stuff.. wow, almost no gun works covered in mud!
Love that “SSSLLOOORRRPP!!!” sound from the shovel in the mud.
The sound that rifle makes when fired out there is beautiful
Found you recently. I love the in-depth and preciseness of the show you do a great job. I may be a long lost cousin. :-)
When you guys cleaned the rifle were you able to determine where the dirt was that was preventing the bolt from opening?
For someone who shoots in the woods, hearing the long echo of the gunshot is pleasing.
You worked that action like a pro!
And now where is the video of Ian showing this test to Bloke on the Range?
Loving your videos
Love watching a lefty who's good at running a bolt. Ian was majestic at it. I was good but nothing even close to that.
I love the left handed bolt cycling.
Ian runs that bolt left handed like a boss....
I'd be interested to see a Makarov.
I've seen some Makarov mud tests and it did pretty good, but not with the kind of sludge mud that you guys have on hand.
5:14 ... Aww, *COME ON!* .. at least _try_ to keep the mud in the wheelbarrow .... you'll get the dirty ground all muddy!
_Tsk Tsk_
Love these mud test videos. Please continue them. I also would like to make some suggestions on what to test next:
Beretta 92fs
Remington 870 or Mossberg 500
Ruger GP100 or Smith and Wesson 686
Just because these are common enough firearms, and all are known for their reliability.
What about the Long Lee's with the dust covers?
I know it's essentially a Mauser action but I'd love to see how a 1903 Springfield would fair in a mud test
One problem with Lee Enfield mags is most have worn out springs. Even when they were new the British army told it soldiers to only load 10 rounds in battle situations so as to avoid this.
There is a collector out there screaming "NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"
Wait, why would TH-cam demonetize you guys? So far, none of the content in this channel is offensive or anything and to be honest most of it is pure entertainment and educational content
They chose to demonetize it themselves. They wanted the channel to be more directly influenced by the viewers, not advertisers.
We, as every other TH-cam channel apparently, were getting screwed with and having to review videos, etc, but I proactively demonetized InRangeTV to "fix" the issue - with monetization on TH-cam, the customer isn't the viewer, it's the advertiser - and that's the wrong architecture. ~Karl
anything with guns = youtube no like
anything that mentions Germany 1914-1945 = youtube no like
... anything in history that is related to parties of large discrimination = youtube no like
that said, they demonetized themselves.
Arya Respati because TH-cam doesn't like educational firearms/history channels, but is completely fine with shitty reaction videos that provide no conceivable benefit to the population.
This channel has guns and guns are scary
Damn Ian you can cycle that thing like a boss
The truly educational content in this series is watching you guys troubleshoot (Pun intended) what potential points of failure may be at play, out loud to each other, to get it to fire 1 more round. Regardless of results, you guys really know these guns, down to the parts, and their functions in these actions. (With the exception of the Tavor, because you can't SEE all the parts in there.) Which is why you can actually do this, take it back to the table, clean it like the bones of a chicken breast, and put it back together so it will (Hopefully) function again.
That's not mud, its cement.
No it’s not.
Only Arisaka 38 and Winchester passed this test . Hate people bully mine supreme Japanese rifle
It's 5am and I'm just going to bed, it's also 5 am for these two and they're getting up to post videos haha.
love ian's bolt skills
The enfield is such a classic looking and elegant firearm
has anyone noticed when Ian goes to shoot he goes into full terminator mode?
You're sick with that Bolt that was hella fast
I cant imagine the clean up work involved after making one of these vids
It's not very fun.
Lefty can move the bolt 💪without a rim on the cartridge cycle time seemed faster and smoother....mad minute ishapore rimless vs mk111 .303 any takers??? I think there would be a significant difference of total cartridges down range. Thanks again for your videos ian/karl
Reminds me of the time I jammed a No4, bolt would only half open, had to discharge the round (blank) in the chamber, thought I’d get away with returning it to the armoury uncleared only for the damn thing to free off when I got there, 2 hours later I finally got to hand it in!
What beautiful lefty moves
This makes me happy on a German level.
Nice bolt technique
Do you guys know what the number means on the stock? I have one almost exactly the same but its 19 instead of 10 and I haven't found anything anywhere I look that tells me what it is.
these mud tests fascinate me. they are at once, informative, insightful, and -in my opinion as a student of life, casual firearms nobody- flawed just enough to be debatable. firstly, i think i've said this before, but i'm not convinced this test survives scientific rigors, not so much in the method of testing, but more in the application. not all firearms are designed to survive heavy mud submersion, and no firearm can survive viscous liquid ingress. this test exposes firearms to a scenario that many of their designers would have considered ridiculous. not to say that the engineers in question would have not thought of it, or were too short sighted to consider it, rather that their (the rifles) designers would have simply accepted that critical failure was a foregone conclusion, regardless of hardening against this inevitability.
secondly, i would like to see the same test performed in a more controlled manner, though that may be impossible outside of painstakingly thorough preparation. where is the mud being applied to, a dynamic or static surface while firing, does the mud cover any surfaces that retract into the receiver, or that are internal/external transactional, rather, that mate at a point that goes from inside to outside the action. oh, and can the bolt be operated before a round is fired. a personal thought of mine is that the concussion and recoil of the firearm most likely "settles" the mud into voids in the action, if the firearm is cycled once, or twice if obstruction appears, can the firearm then be discharged without failure?
thirdly, -and if anyone is reading this, thanks, i appreciate it- this test fails to take into account the wear of the rifle, which can drastically change the geometry of surfaces. i figure you already allow for this, but i haven't really seen it mentioned in any of the mud test videos i've watched. -from you guys at inrange, i mean-
i sound like a terrible critic, the truth is i learn a lot from these videos, and i truly enjoy them! i hope you continue to do them, and i'm a huge fan of forgotten weapons, i really can't say enough good things about it.
tl;dr, forgotten weapons and inrange tv are awesome, and i've learned a lot from watching you. thanks, and keep up the good work!
Daamn hes quick on the 5 shot opening
Maybe this'll give you an excuse to "accidentally" remove the front sight's protective blades during cleaning.
Hostile with extreme prejudice
My very first C&R gun was an Ishapore 2A. I still hunt with it sometimes.
The report on this rifle sounds magnificent
"one of the big issues with bolt actions is them being being totally ambidextrous"
Ian:
ngl , i was not prepared for how fast you did that with your left hand
That's a quality wheelbarrow.
He works that action pretty damn fast.
What do you think of the rear locking lugs? I have understood that forward lugs are better. Your thoughts?
I’m crying and curious at the same time!!
What we learned today. A Hi Point pistol is more reliable than a Enfield. I'm still waiting on a JHP 45 mud test though...
No bro it's the way it's is. The Enfield is built like a tank. Why do you think the British even used it for both world wars? Plus have some common sense if you had any gun you would want to keep it away from mud.
I would be interested to see how a cz75 would do in the mud test, mostly to see if having the rails on the inside of the frame making the gun more sealed would help in anyway.
As a Brit I would love to have imagined that this was going to do better but honestly, no surprises here really.
Have you guys thought about Springfield xd, xdm or both? I know my xd would cycle like anything including CCI shotshells.
That
"~~WOWW~~" at 2:47 is now my ringtone
You should do a mud test of a Ross Rifle. Then we can put to rest once in for all if the Ross Rifle was truly unreliable or if the British didn't want Canada having their own arms industry.
When you said same mechanism does that mean 303 parts will fire 308s in the 2a. Ive heard it needs a longer extractor. Would apretiate any help thank you
0:49 jerry would be proud of that rate of fire
when jesus is running that bolt its pure magic every time !
Your proficiency with a bolt is both beautiful and terrifying.
I own one , always been reliable , never dropped in the mud though. Good to know.
I wonder if the Lee-Metford or the Long Lee's with the dust cover on the bolt would make a difference? It seems to protect the action, mind you that track the bolt runs on is another story.
Mag out, upside down, water into the mag well to flush the action? Of course, by this time the wily Hun is upon you....
you got a spear
Nice bolt work
I would love to see more of the old rifles in more modern calibers it simply make them live a bit longer beacuse it's easier to buy the .308 than let's say 8mm Mauser... and the cost is segnificantly lower
TreeWizard648 I don't think you mean this particular gun with the comment. But I do want to say that the Ishapore Enfield was not rechambered/rebarreled and was in fact designed for the Nato round, just using an old design as the template. It would be cool to have modern production guns from old designs with more accessible calibers.
i rly like the sound of the gun :)
I also wonder if a No 4 would fair better, the bolt head and reciver are a bit different
Matthew Whitticar no
These are becoming a little bit more valuable now. I own one because I really wanted a Lee Enfield style rifle but did not want a caliber that was usable only in a single rifle. So the 308 Winchester/7.62x51 version of this was perfect for me. It is a little heavy, like all Lee Enfield rifles, but otherwise it is a really great gun. I got very lucky and the one I bought appeared to be practically new. It was in almost perfect condition despite having been made in 1967. As a bonus, the Ishapore rifles have magazines that hold 12 rounds plus one in the chamber. A bit more than the 303 British versions.
So based on this and other mud test(you know what it is), Sledge ditching his muddied carbine and switching to a clean rifle in The Pacific is quite an accurate depiction of open action rifles in this particular environment.
Imagine the commentary section is a bunch of guys behind you, off cam, yelling things at you XD That' s how i imagine the commentary section
1895 Chilean Mauser (or similar)for the next cock-on-close test--unlike the Swedish Mausers, no tab on the back of the cocking piece to slingshot grit into the bolt assembly.