Roar still a "win" since: - You can share with team - Newbie friendly - Buff all kind of damage (direct hit, DOT, ability damage/strength??? and emotional damage for your opponents, better with racist mods). - Basically, free racist mod and scale with racist mod 🗿 - No skills? No problemo - Never gets old Edit: On Specific builds then you already saw how they perform on his vid. Roar is still the best on overall uses but it still feels a bit off when you doing raw damage or single targeting. Doesnt mean it's shjt. If you hate faction mods then roar itself is like a faction mod.
I disagree with u Kringe… it all depends on the build your goin for. U running a dot build? Roar is your best friend, u wanna nuke tanky demolisher units in disruption? Xatas whisper is your go to. U wanna have insane raw dmg on your guns for eildolon hunting and other things? Eclipse is your best friend for that. Each dmg buff is unique and meant for different things. Using roar for everything would not be the efficient choice more of a lazy one and u would be reducing your dmg drastically depending on the content your playing.
I always overlooked Eclipse, but I love Glaives so I might just have to give it a shot. You're also the reason I'm currently crafting a Stahlta, so that'll benefit from it as well. Anyways, thanks as always for bestowing us with knowledge on things that make absolutely no sense without an explanation lol
Cheers for the in depth descriptions for every ability and best uses Moug, would you consider doing a video specifically on all the different damage multipliers and how to go about modding different weapon types?
Very recently watched your Stahlta video guide and left a comment asking how you are getting those absolute huge damage numbers. I did not realize that eclipse is better for multi CO instead of roar. I even switched your build a little bit to use HM because I was getting more out of that than not using HM. (Now I know why). Thank you for this video I am going to switch to eclipse and use what has quickly become my new favorite weapon in Warframe.
i love how this guy has perfect timing on vids when i needed stahta build video posted when i was wondering eclipse roar vs xata video posted 3 hours ago amazing
Eclipse is good on wisp bc of DR buff makes wisp actuall tank Or specific situations like PT or Tridolons Roar most of time for any abbilty kind of frame Xata for single target like distruption or cascade
Xatas whisper still bugged out for clients 2 years later. Cant get a headshot if your not host and eclipse disappears if you dash through enemies on operator since jade update
@@Huh-0.1 now your spreading lies idk who you are trying to fool here it's been all over the fourms and in game. If you are client and you use xatas whisper the bubble will automatically proc on the feet and prevent headshots. If you are host and using mirage eclipse will reset if you dash through a group of enemies with your operator. Your white knigting is not helping de or yourself it's only hurting the game.
@@Mars23223 Thats crazy cuz i tried it yesterday and even today and it works, have you tried getting normal ping? Infact i went to simulacrum even now just for you kitten and it works perfectly fine. I think cope from your side. Nothing resets eclipse stays. Xata also works like it should, i think you can't aim propertly and blaming the game. What a suprise.
Thank you for another banger. Im learning so much daily from you bro. However at the start you say youll post a short list of guns with multiplicative CO, am i blind or is it not listed 😢.
Gr8 work, Ty for quality content fixing that bigger 'jupiters' who only count $ from clickbaits and shitty informations cuz ppl dont need/want verify cuz 'on video was like that'.
Thank you for all the info, copied the Max damage no firerate Build from your vid, using it with gauss and arcane acceleration and i was thinking of replacing his 3rd, now I might go for eclipse instead of thermal sunder. One question tho, do you tap it or hold it to get the maximum bonus? Thank you for your videos and the infos in them😊
thanks for vid 1) It would be great if you showed what operator buffs you use. i think its sling strength but not sure, since it too fast.... 2) how do u use energy conversion on reservoirs and eclipse/roar at the same time 3:16 ?
Don't know if you will still answer but that riven mod you have on Stahlta what does it provide? What i mean with that is what does it provide crit chance, crit dmg, or something else.
@WispGraxx thanks for answering this quick. Now I gotta hope I can get 1 myself with crit chance/dmg. Ofc I first gotta look into riven mods bcs I don't own one and don't know how they work so.
Just a heads up, roar can be more effective in some frames or abilities that have damage even if it dont scale with power, on MHBlacky revenant video, he pointed that roar is affecting reave and causing it to do more damage even if the skill is % based, taking that in acount, i can confirm it also works as multiplier for Doom damage, both skills that do % based not direct damage.
Roar is damage buff for everything. Eclipse is specifically weapon damage. If you want weapon damage Eclipse is the way to go. If you want DoT or ability damage go roar.
There is an issue with xata where when epitaph procs xata you cant use corufell after 2 or so hits as the projectile dissapears into the void literally...Theres no damage like no number as if i missed them while being 2m in front
It depends on the build your goin for honestly if it’s primarily a weapons platform warframe and not a caster u don’t rlly needs strength if your guns are the main source of dmg
@@ShinySean69 still sad that it was changed to damage + 100 * multiplier * power strength up to 5m cap. The 5m cap was always there but it used to always scale with ability power, but now it won't if your hitting hard enough.
what do you recommend for corrosive regulator dps mesa build? currently i have eclipse with 2 green shards for +4 corrosive stacks max for armor stripping
Hey man I have a serious question that has me so confused. I’ve seen you many times recommend Gun CO on AOE weapons. I tested the dmg out and it still doesn’t boost the AOE which makes me confused on why you use it on your guns? Do you rly have it just for the direct impact of the AOE shot and ignore that the AOE itself isn’t boosted? Or am I doing something wrong in my testing?
@@lerosallyn9279 yes on the stahlta i have it for the direct impact and not the AoE. Except for the ogris. Ogris simply benefits too much from status chance so its always worth to go galvanized aptitude
@@lerosallyn9279 For single target it's way better tho so it just depends on the situation lol, like for demo in disruption you will use shotgun mode because it just deals way more damage to them
i am a newbie and i dont have knowledge about mods.i was searching wisp builds and i found your channel. i really liked your explanations. can you do a kuva bramma build with wisp or any suggestions about it? ( i watch a few of your videos. if u did already i didnt know)
Mr. Moug, im a returning glaive prime glazer and I found that it is no longer king, can i get a quick video about the cerata and/or xoris ? I trust you the most
I know I should probably out this common on your Stahlta vid but oh well, for whatever reason I can’t really get it to be good. I do have a riven but I’m re-rolling it right now and using the Max Dmg-FR builds and it doesn’t look like how it does in the vid using the primary or secondary mode. I mean I was trying it in low level steel path without buff but I thought it should be able to preform better then it did
So, I wanna ask something, which of these would work best with the innate 700% stealth multiplier that frames that can go invisible get? Do you have advice on what would be best there?
Moug, why roar + mult CO is not the same as eclipse + mult CO in not DOT dmg? Isnt mult CO just straight up different final multiplier like eclipse? I rewatched that part about roar/eclipse few times, but I guess my english isnt good enough, or I am just too stupid to understand where is the difference
Btw kengineer in his 3 months old video (I mention that, because maybe I missed some patch) said after testing that eclipse buff is not multiplying additive gun CO part of damage, which would mean that on additive gun CO roar is a lot better, especially without bane in build
I can be of help. If you have reliable armor strip from anything other than your weapon (or latron incarnon strip) and your weapon benefits a ton from not wasting nod slots on elemental damage nourish is good to cover the viral procs. Also if your frame uses abilities often and needs the extra energy to spam shield gateing nourish is useful.
Condition Overload (CO) is a melee mod that increases your damage depending on the number of status effects on an enemy. The Aptitude mods do this for your guns, so people call them CO or GunCO. Hitscan weapons apply this buff additively, but other weapons can apply it either additively or multiplicatively. The latter is a much larger damage boost, and the only way to know which one applies to your gun is to either test it yourself or check Moug's Google doc listing them all. The major difference when building is that you always want to use faction mods on additive CO guns, while on multiplicative guns you can use either faction mods or just a regular Serration
I think mobile does not do the same damage as console or pc, I have copied many builds but they never work exactly the same. My stahlta doesn't demolish everything like yours does and it makes me sad. For murmur stuff it falls off hard around lvl250 sp
Bro everytime u shoot there are like 100 numbers on the screen. How are you pinpointing the highest number every time with such ease in like a millisecond lol
Without even watching the video, I'm gonna go on a whim and say that Roar and Xata are the most consistent and reliable sources of damage, eclipse sometimes performing best when guns have multiplicative CO; Roar winning under most circumstances, and Xata being straight up broken with the correct synergies. Did I cook?
almost cooked... roar is good for ability damage and DOT setup, eclipse is good for multiplicative co and when dealing raw damage, xata is good for raw DMG when weapon has synergy with incarnon or headshot double dipping is needed. I explained in brief, I too haven't watched video. Did I cook enough?
@@WispGraxxI see, after watching this video I was off the mark but it wasn't a bad guess I suppose. Interesting how Roar works best for DOT setups and both Eclipse and Roar work equally as well with Additive CO. Great video!
Giving this objetive: killing profit taker, using Chroma and staltha (a gun with multiplicative CO), the way to go is having a The Bane Mod and subsube Eclipse? But if i want to use Chroma + Zenith (aditive CO) the way to do it is with roar?
@@WispGraxx I am dumb, i just realized that. Thanks. Just another question. The Sarin Sobek Acid Shells combo. The gun is hitscan, so we can assume is additive CO (i could not find this info on the sikia nor the googlesheet). In this case Bane mod + Roar is the way to go for max hell?
Hey moag. Was wondering, I have a slash, cc and neg puncture. Is this a suitable riven to use on the stahlta? Only starting using it after watching your vids
Posted it on the last community post soo If you see it here you don't need to answer the other one A question for you since this is your most recent post. Soo I got to thinking after seeing your video I only built wisp once and didn't really use her that much soo I tried using her on a sp disruption the Sanctum one on Deimos and surviving with shield gating is impossible for me because of how little energy I get at the start soo I am thinking of doing the health tanking and I just want to know what level can I survive with health tanking can I take it to longer missions(survival, interception and disruption) and let's say stay for like 2H Because building stacks with stahalta or any weapon with primary deadhead is HARD Because again low energy
You can easily go up to level 800 with health tanking wisp without ever using your 2. After that you really need to react with using 2 often or blinding a large area with 3
@@WispGraxx Nice soo it's going to be health tanking wisp then after level 1000+ It's second ability since I have hush on most of my wisp weapons I won't cancel right away and it'll be good Oh and for the ppl who are reading this and don't know second ability if you look right at the ground it will continue flying there in one place and you can kill them easier there
Multiple CO vs. Additive CO, will you cover EVERY weapon that has built in CO? This would be very interesting topic because the game doesn't tell you which weapon has it Edit: or can you teach us how to test this ourself??
Really liking the more in depth warframe content, FYI if I'm not mistaken the Manic Dreker Bombard has the most EHP that I'm aware of in the simulacrum if you're looking for a beefier enemy to test stuff on. thought I would tell you because some weapons are a bit hard to test when they just get oneshot
How is Revenant with Eclipse? I am focusing on pure weapon dmg and no bane mods. Currently using Roar at 105%. I have all 3 of them in Helminth, just in case. Oh and i am using Torid so i am interested how Xata whispers works on beam weapons. Any help would be highly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
Finally, my opinion has arrived
Datto viewer?
bro think hes datto
Roar still a "win" since:
- You can share with team
- Newbie friendly
- Buff all kind of damage (direct hit, DOT, ability damage/strength??? and emotional damage for your opponents, better with racist mods).
- Basically, free racist mod and scale with racist mod 🗿
- No skills? No problemo
- Never gets old
Edit: On Specific builds then you already saw how they perform on his vid. Roar is still the best on overall uses but it still feels a bit off when you doing raw damage or single targeting. Doesnt mean it's shjt. If you hate faction mods then roar itself is like a faction mod.
as i say on the video. 100% preference
I disagree with u Kringe… it all depends on the build your goin for. U running a dot build? Roar is your best friend, u wanna nuke tanky demolisher units in disruption? Xatas whisper is your go to. U wanna have insane raw dmg on your guns for eildolon hunting and other things? Eclipse is your best friend for that. Each dmg buff is unique and meant for different things. Using roar for everything would not be the efficient choice more of a lazy one and u would be reducing your dmg drastically depending on the content your playing.
Roar best for sure people always forget this is an online game apparently
@@ManLikePolo Lazy, but it gets the job done. I am more of a lazy guy here, so you do what's best, Imma just lazing around.
Can you do a video on the fashion of your Wisp please? She looks insane 😍
4:38 to 6:32 is a skip. I wasted time for no reason and it was too late for me to go ahead and edit it. Also 12:14 is TL;DR
I always overlooked Eclipse, but I love Glaives so I might just have to give it a shot. You're also the reason I'm currently crafting a Stahlta, so that'll benefit from it as well.
Anyways, thanks as always for bestowing us with knowledge on things that make absolutely no sense without an explanation lol
Cheers for the in depth descriptions for every ability and best uses Moug, would you consider doing a video specifically on all the different damage multipliers and how to go about modding different weapon types?
Already have one however its old. I might redo it and unlist old one
@@WispGraxx Cheers
"This is just the Sthalta being broken" 🗿
@@Wonback based Mourg
Very recently watched your Stahlta video guide and left a comment asking how you are getting those absolute huge damage numbers. I did not realize that eclipse is better for multi CO instead of roar. I even switched your build a little bit to use HM because I was getting more out of that than not using HM. (Now I know why). Thank you for this video I am going to switch to eclipse and use what has quickly become my new favorite weapon in Warframe.
Holy fuck, I was literally JUST looking for this before I went to sleep, just woke up and there is a video from you
Same lmao. The vid I saw on this topic last night was from before the Eclipse rework though so I'm glad to find an updated one from Moug himself
Got it so use roar because im too lazy to mod faction damage. Great explaining btw thank you
i love how this guy has perfect timing on vids when i needed stahta build video posted when i was wondering eclipse roar vs xata video posted 3 hours ago amazing
Babe wake up, new Moug video
thanks bro this clarified buffs a lot
i learn more from this dude than fromanybody
Some frames don’t have a good recastable ability for shield gating, so eclipse is better than roar for that too
Eclipse is good on wisp bc of DR buff makes wisp actuall tank
Or specific situations like PT or Tridolons
Roar most of time for any abbilty kind of frame
Xata for single target like distruption or cascade
Roar for ability damage and team buffing. Eclispe for flexibility of offense and defense.
Dude, I really thought that that was the dark souls 3 arena floor and NOT just the lua captura...LMAO that got me 😆
Good thumbnail 🥰😅
Xatas whisper still bugged out for clients 2 years later. Cant get a headshot if your not host and eclipse disappears if you dash through enemies on operator since jade update
it's not bugged whatsoever.
@@Huh-0.1 now your spreading lies idk who you are trying to fool here it's been all over the fourms and in game. If you are client and you use xatas whisper the bubble will automatically proc on the feet and prevent headshots. If you are host and using mirage eclipse will reset if you dash through a group of enemies with your operator. Your white knigting is not helping de or yourself it's only hurting the game.
@@Mars23223 Thats crazy cuz i tried it yesterday and even today and it works, have you tried getting normal ping? Infact i went to simulacrum even now just for you kitten and it works perfectly fine. I think cope from your side. Nothing resets eclipse stays. Xata also works like it should, i think you can't aim propertly and blaming the game. What a suprise.
@@Huh-0.1 This comment shows you didnt read a damn thing I said 😂 have a nice day
@@Mars23223 for real. I didn't read your nonsense yapping that's why it works fine for me. I agree.
Thank you my glorious king Moug - now I shall carry out your sacrilegious will, and use gloom on almost every single frame 👍
Out of these three? Nourish
🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
And Nourish doesnt Collide with damage buff skills when trying to subsume 🎉
Thank you for another banger. Im learning so much daily from you bro. However at the start you say youll post a short list of guns with multiplicative CO, am i blind or is it not listed 😢.
@@StayAtHomeEaglesFan you are right i forgor. Adding it now
@@WispGraxx thank you!
I remember getting downvoted on reddit for saying eclipse is better for direct damage lol
Great content 💪 so for Torid we use Roar? Keep it going 🧨
yea except u use bane, then xata's whisper
I needed this, videos on this were so outdated.
Gr8 work, Ty for quality content fixing that bigger 'jupiters' who only count $ from clickbaits and shitty informations cuz ppl dont need/want verify cuz 'on video was like that'.
Ay thx bro much love nice to see u read my comment
Roar + the awesome toxin torid build you showcased + nezha + divine retribution = oops, ALL DED
Thank you for all the info, copied the Max damage no firerate Build from your vid, using it with gauss and arcane acceleration and i was thinking of replacing his 3rd, now I might go for eclipse instead of thermal sunder. One question tho, do you tap it or hold it to get the maximum bonus?
Thank you for your videos and the infos in them😊
Would love to see a comparison with nourish
my boy even on wisp. HE KNEW MY PAIN
thanks for vid
1) It would be great if you showed what operator buffs you use. i think its sling strength but not sure, since it too fast....
2) how do u use energy conversion on reservoirs and eclipse/roar at the same time 3:16 ?
Don't know if you will still answer but that riven mod you have on Stahlta what does it provide?
What i mean with that is what does it provide crit chance, crit dmg, or something else.
Crit Chance, Crit Damage, Toxin, -Puncture
@WispGraxx thanks for answering this quick. Now I gotta hope I can get 1 myself with crit chance/dmg. Ofc I first gotta look into riven mods bcs I don't own one and don't know how they work so.
Just a heads up, roar can be more effective in some frames or abilities that have damage even if it dont scale with power, on MHBlacky revenant video, he pointed that roar is affecting reave and causing it to do more damage even if the skill is % based, taking that in acount, i can confirm it also works as multiplier for Doom damage, both skills that do % based not direct damage.
Roar is damage buff for everything. Eclipse is specifically weapon damage. If you want weapon damage Eclipse is the way to go. If you want DoT or ability damage go roar.
sir, i'd like to pay attention, but why does your wisp have 138 forma input?
She got hungi
There is an issue with xata where when epitaph procs xata you cant use corufell after 2 or so hits as the projectile dissapears into the void literally...Theres no damage like no number as if i missed them while being 2m in front
What is multiplicative CO?
Its like galva works differently on different guns? 😮
UPD: I missed a list of multiplicative co guns in description my bad
Roar affecting abilities is autowin in my book
fax i use it on my wisp to buff the dmg of breach surge and it hits for like 130m sometimes
It depends on the build your goin for honestly if it’s primarily a weapons platform warframe and not a caster u don’t rlly needs strength if your guns are the main source of dmg
Like eidolon hunting for example with volt it’s better to use eclipse on him because u need raw damage against eidolons and not dots yk
@@ShinySean69 still sad that it was changed to damage + 100 * multiplier * power strength up to 5m cap. The 5m cap was always there but it used to always scale with ability power, but now it won't if your hitting hard enough.
Wisps breach surge counts as weapon damage so eclipse is better@@ShinySean69
Can you do a video or a screenshot of your fashion on Wisp please? It looks insane 😍
what do you recommend for corrosive regulator dps mesa build? currently i have eclipse with 2 green shards for +4 corrosive stacks max for armor stripping
@@shawki4447 corrosive/heat regulators is what I go and roar is the best now if you dont use a bane mod. If you do use bane then go eclipse
@@WispGraxx thank you. i will switch it for sure
Hey man I have a serious question that has me so confused. I’ve seen you many times recommend Gun CO on AOE weapons. I tested the dmg out and it still doesn’t boost the AOE which makes me confused on why you use it on your guns? Do you rly have it just for the direct impact of the AOE shot and ignore that the AOE itself isn’t boosted? Or am I doing something wrong in my testing?
@@lerosallyn9279 yes on the stahlta i have it for the direct impact and not the AoE. Except for the ogris. Ogris simply benefits too much from status chance so its always worth to go galvanized aptitude
@@WispGraxx Ahhh okay so on smth like Kuva Zarr, don’t Gun CO. But Proboscis Cernos that uses status chance a lot, just Gun CO anyway
@@lerosallyn9279 zarr has shotgun mode so...that depends
@@Huh-0.1 I feel like you shouldn’t be using the shotgun mode considering you only have 10 ammo on the zarr
@@lerosallyn9279 For single target it's way better tho so it just depends on the situation lol, like for demo in disruption you will use shotgun mode because it just deals way more damage to them
i am a newbie and i dont have knowledge about mods.i was searching wisp builds and i found your channel. i really liked your explanations. can you do a kuva bramma build with wisp or any suggestions about it? ( i watch a few of your videos. if u did already i didnt know)
Have u done any testing on jades weapon buff? Curious how it works....
Fun fact, it works on operator amps
Saryin, Xata Wisper, Soma
trust me
You can do like rhino with eclipes (big boom)
So on my eclipse wisp. I should be running bane mods?
@@aidanc669 eclipse will do more damage than roar on a bane build yes
@@WispGraxx I tired it out last night and 🤘🫡👍. You are 100% correct 🔥
Does roar still affect abilities because currently I'm using it on Dante and I can't even tell if it's actually increasing the ability damage
@@Keltorthegreat it is dont worry. Roar affects everything. This video goes to the nitty gritty when it comes to weapons
Since roar is easier to get an helminth of id say roar's better 🗿
TRUE
@@maninmathurintaha8808 I just got mirage a few days ago. Getting eclipse is super easy and quick
Mr. Moug, im a returning glaive prime glazer and I found that it is no longer king, can i get a quick video about the cerata and/or xoris ? I trust you the most
I know I should probably out this common on your Stahlta vid but oh well, for whatever reason I can’t really get it to be good. I do have a riven but I’m re-rolling it right now and using the Max Dmg-FR builds and it doesn’t look like how it does in the vid using the primary or secondary mode. I mean I was trying it in low level steel path without buff but I thought it should be able to preform better then it did
Xata whisper all the way, it makes my bullets go woosh woosh. That'd all I need.
what do you think about nourish with stahlta specifically
So, I wanna ask something, which of these would work best with the innate 700% stealth multiplier that frames that can go invisible get? Do you have advice on what would be best there?
@@russetduchess4363 as far as i know the stealth multiplier is additive damage so all of them are pretty much same in that regard
Moug, why roar + mult CO is not the same as eclipse + mult CO in not DOT dmg? Isnt mult CO just straight up different final multiplier like eclipse? I rewatched that part about roar/eclipse few times, but I guess my english isnt good enough, or I am just too stupid to understand where is the difference
Btw kengineer in his 3 months old video (I mention that, because maybe I missed some patch) said after testing that eclipse buff is not multiplying additive gun CO part of damage, which would mean that on additive gun CO roar is a lot better, especially without bane in build
Круто объяснил чел 👍
Why didn't you cover nourish too?
I can be of help. If you have reliable armor strip from anything other than your weapon (or latron incarnon strip) and your weapon benefits a ton from not wasting nod slots on elemental damage nourish is good to cover the viral procs. Also if your frame uses abilities often and needs the extra energy to spam shield gateing nourish is useful.
Combine all these buffs in one frame.
You mentioned the synergy with eclipse on glaives and the plague kripath, so is the exodia contagion build with wisp still good?
@@Zagiera nope, outmatched by every glaive sadly but it can still be fun
@@WispGraxx i cri everytim
I might be being a bit dum rn but what is multico?
Condition Overload (CO) is a melee mod that increases your damage depending on the number of status effects on an enemy. The Aptitude mods do this for your guns, so people call them CO or GunCO. Hitscan weapons apply this buff additively, but other weapons can apply it either additively or multiplicatively. The latter is a much larger damage boost, and the only way to know which one applies to your gun is to either test it yourself or check Moug's Google doc listing them all. The major difference when building is that you always want to use faction mods on additive CO guns, while on multiplicative guns you can use either faction mods or just a regular Serration
Im so confused people say eclipse is addative then theres other people say its multiplicative damage im so confused
I think mobile does not do the same damage as console or pc, I have copied many builds but they never work exactly the same. My stahlta doesn't demolish everything like yours does and it makes me sad. For murmur stuff it falls off hard around lvl250 sp
What about Nourish?
I'm sorry I keep hearing this but I seriously don't understand. Why is it that endgame players don't use mods like serration? Im genuinely confused.
Bro everytime u shoot there are like 100 numbers on the screen. How are you pinpointing the highest number every time with such ease in like a millisecond lol
probably 99% playtime lol
I’m pretty sure if u use Garuda xatas can ad mor slashes and is also just very good with shotguns
does xata whisper works on archons?
yep
Dude how many forma do you have put into wisp 💀
Not enough!!!
Is no one talking about the 138 forma wisp 😭🙏🏼
Without even watching the video, I'm gonna go on a whim and say that Roar and Xata are the most consistent and reliable sources of damage, eclipse sometimes performing best when guns have multiplicative CO; Roar winning under most circumstances, and Xata being straight up broken with the correct synergies.
Did I cook?
nope, not exactly. But good try
@@WispGraxx bro don't gaslight them, they're right on the money based on your tldr section lmfao
almost cooked... roar is good for ability damage and DOT setup, eclipse is good for multiplicative co and when dealing raw damage, xata is good for raw DMG when weapon has synergy with incarnon or headshot double dipping is needed. I explained in brief, I too haven't watched video.
Did I cook enough?
@@WispGraxxI see, after watching this video I was off the mark but it wasn't a bad guess I suppose. Interesting how Roar works best for DOT setups and both Eclipse and Roar work equally as well with Additive CO. Great video!
When is Fashion Frame video dropping? I want it so bad 🙏🙏🙏
Hopefully soon :p
Giving this objetive: killing profit taker, using Chroma and staltha (a gun with multiplicative CO), the way to go is having a The Bane Mod and subsube Eclipse?
But if i want to use Chroma + Zenith (aditive CO) the way to do it is with roar?
I wouldn't subsume vex armor at all. On multi CO gun its better to keep it than use eclipse
@@WispGraxx I am dumb, i just realized that. Thanks. Just another question.
The Sarin Sobek Acid Shells combo. The gun is hitscan, so we can assume is additive CO (i could not find this info on the sikia nor the googlesheet). In this case Bane mod + Roar is the way to go for max hell?
You may've been asked this, but can you share your wisp fashion?
ye, i will make a fashion video about it soon enough
@@WispGraxx Oh that's cool
Why do you leave vigilante supplies rank 0
what are the archon shards on your wisp? I know you use a health tanking build with adaptation so do you have armor on the shards?
3 armor blue and 2 strength reds
the church of CO effects
Hey moag. Was wondering, I have a slash, cc and neg puncture. Is this a suitable riven to use on the stahlta?
Only starting using it after watching your vids
i thought that CO was condition overload the first time i heard it... what it means so?
new players will watch this and ask "i have an entirely dot build, what should i use????"
dot=roar
@@Huh-0.1 "but i heard eclipse was better"
@@loafofbread9400 Roar boosts DoT damage, not only raw damage you deal so for DoT builds like...HM or Heat it's the best ability
@@Huh-0.1 yes i am jabbing fun at players who cant figure it out
@@loafofbread9400 mb king, hard to know with yt comments ykyk
why dont you use archon stretch on wisp?
@@srliburax7342 i dont use electric mote almost ever
@@WispGraxxwhy?
what shards are you using?
3 Blue Armor, 2 Red Strength
what does CO mean when you say multiplicative CO?
Means "condition overload"
Multiplicative to other damage sources instead of being additive to serration.
Posted it on the last community post soo If you see it here you don't need to answer the other one
A question for you since this is your most recent post.
Soo I got to thinking after seeing your video I only built wisp once and didn't really use her that much soo I tried using her on a sp disruption the Sanctum one on Deimos and surviving with shield gating is impossible for me because of how little energy I get at the start soo I am thinking of doing the health tanking and I just want to know what level can I survive with health tanking can I take it to longer missions(survival, interception and disruption) and let's say stay for like 2H
Because building stacks with stahalta or any weapon with primary deadhead is HARD Because again low energy
You can easily go up to level 800 with health tanking wisp without ever using your 2. After that you really need to react with using 2 often or blinding a large area with 3
@@WispGraxx Nice soo it's going to be health tanking wisp then after level 1000+ It's second ability since I have hush on most of my wisp weapons I won't cancel right away and it'll be good
Oh and for the ppl who are reading this and don't know second ability if you look right at the ground it will continue flying there in one place and you can kill them easier there
Multiple CO vs. Additive CO, will you cover EVERY weapon that has built in CO? This would be very interesting topic because the game doesn't tell you which weapon has it
Edit: or can you teach us how to test this ourself??
just look at the pastebin lol
@@WispGraxx pastebin?
Ty I found it
1:57 how do you calculate the 160%? Is it the faction mod(1,55) x roar (1,06) = 1,64x or how do u do it?
faction mod (x1.55 = +55% ) + roar (+105% )= +160%
faction is 0,55+1,06 from roar so 1,61
@@WispGraxx oh thank u both for the explanation, thought it's multiplicative 😅 it being additive makes it easy
Im surprised you didnt also go over vexx armor
Can't be subsumed, whereas the 3 in the video can be applied to any frame so it's an option for anyone, but Vex is exclusive to chroma
what does C.O stands for?
Cond Overload?
Yes
So which one to use for Titania's Dex Pixia?
Roar imo
How much is Rhino roar diminished before u subsume roar on Rhino at max level.
what to use with AOE weapons like kuva bramma/torid
Did that say 132 formas on wisp prime?
so if CO is additive on a gun, should I use CO instead of serration on that gun? Assuming it can consistently apply at least 2 procs
yep, 0 serration on it because 2 stacks of aptitude=Serration. Its pointless to use both
What is that animations set?
Eclipse ❤ High dmg / High dmg reduction
What about wrathful advance? It should always be the choice for melee buffing above all the other options?
Well yeah, it's like 400% crit bonus with some strength. You just cast it and everything dies of red crits
depends what is your melee. Normal E spam with no DoT ye, if DoT focused then roar
Really liking the more in depth warframe content, FYI if I'm not mistaken the Manic Dreker Bombard has the most EHP that I'm aware of in the simulacrum if you're looking for a beefier enemy to test stuff on. thought I would tell you because some weapons are a bit hard to test when they just get oneshot
good to know i'll go scan some ty
What is that mask ?
poor heavy gunner always be the testing target
which weapons have multiplying CO?
Description has the list
How is Revenant with Eclipse? I am focusing on pure weapon dmg and no bane mods. Currently using Roar at 105%. I have all 3 of them in Helminth, just in case. Oh and i am using Torid so i am interested how Xata whispers works on beam weapons. Any help would be highly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
Roar end of story also will you ever stop glazing the STAHLTA
no? you already know the answer to this question. Also no, roar is good for ability buffing and DoT. Nothing else
when is 200 forma on wisp vid dropping