This is so common in the modding community. Dude releases a product w/pre-orders, it makes a ton of money/sales, good communication and update for a few weeks/months, communication drops off, customers want answers, seller ghosts, gets defensive or both, customers start getting mad, and it leads to a months/years long shitshow in which people may or may not get their stuff, and everyone had a bad time when they didn't need to. Moral of the story STOP TAKING PRE-ORDERS AND COMMUNICATE WITH THE PEOPLE GIVING YOU MONEY.
@@Jamstaro1 what do you mean no? Why trust anyone and give them the benefit of the doubt? If they release the product and it turns out to be good, then buy it. If they ask for pre order, dont buy it, period. That not only goes for bethesda, but every other game companies and everything else.
I worked for an Answering service for a time back in the day and it felt like half the calls I got were from shitty businesses trying to avoid their customers/clients, hoping they'd give up trying to contact them. Just because someone runs a business, does not make them a professional.
I'm glad someone is talking about this. A viewer was kind enough to buy me a BrewBowl and it arrived with a broken housing. Haven't heard a word since January. I'm sorry to hear that he's got so much serious stuff going on in his personal life, but it sounds like his goodwill with the community was already running on fumes even before that.
Situations like this are so common in the retro community. * Someone makes a one of a kind product * Everybody wants it * Person behind the project announces fake deadlines they can't meet * Deadlines pass * Communication is cut * People get upset * Clones arrive * Original project becomes irrelevant
I've almost found him a bit odd. When I speedran back in like 2012, right about when Binny started we used to talk on Skype. I've never really liked him. Could never tell why.
something I've noticed about all of these guys is that they all work based off of pre-orders/wait lists, fail to meet the deadlines they imposed on themselves when taking the pre-orders/waitlists and then get bitter when people try to keep in touch with them. if they would just sell when they have stock, no wait list, no pre-orders. then the timeline wouldn't matter. they could take as much time as they want, because they would be under no obligations to deliver a product not yet produced.
If they don't take pre-orders they would have to use their own money to buy stock. A) They might not have $10-20k available to invest into stock. B) They might buy more stock than there is demand, and therefore waste their money on unsold stock.
With a pre-order setup, you can potentially even have a revenue-positive buildout, or at least only bearably negative until you get things rolling and start selling units beyond the reserved stock. The latter's mostly reserved for large businesses, extremely wealthy individuals metamorphosing into a large business, and people on some pretty regular budgets and a dream taking the first step to obtaining bankruptcy protection. Edit: Also there's really no better way to gauge interest and intent to buy a product than someone throwing you the entire asking price before it even exists. Yeah, the potential for abuse is really obvious, but it doesn't make it any less of a decent idea to get things off the ground. Just one of those situations where everyone involved needs to be careful and figure out early whether a possible outcome is "failed product design, oh well" and no refunds because it all went into R&D.
@@StopChangingUsernamesTH-cam Right but if you really have 300+ people willing to wait six months for something, you can toss the product on ebay and potentially get 2-5x your price from some whales who dont want to wait. The other reason these guys potentially disappear is they have no clue how much time and effort it will actually take, and want to quit when they realize that theyre probably working for 1-2$ an hour, plus the added benefit of a hoard of angry speedrunners hounding you.
As someone who waited a full year after the promised 2-3 month wait and have multiple friends in the community who are waiting on $300 to $400 refunds to this day with no response at all with those orders being placed the same day as I, it’s just absurd. Glad you are bringing this to light so proper accountability can be held
Can't he be sued? Tbh, I kind of wish he was after reading about all the people he has ignored about refunds, about re-sending a working piece that came broken, etc.
Hey man, great video. If I could suggest something though, when you do your cuts between lines, you should either cut sooner or maintain eye contact with the camera longer after each line, so that when you cut you aren't looking down at your script at the end of every line.
Place an order in November of 2022. I've offered to send him a mint condition controller to be used for donor parts because a year ago he told me that's what the hold up was. No reply. In fact, he hasn't replied to a single one of my messages for a year at this point.
The truth of the matter goes like this. Binny spent all the money... he blew a lot while he was in America, the remaining 10k ish he used to fly back to the UK and to keep himself financially secure for awhile while in the UK and having to deal with his mother and find a job in the meantime. I hope this clears things up without going into to much detail.
I think anyone should've been able to read that between the lines. When he started publicising selling parts of the product -- not the full thing -- in conventions, people should've realized what he was trying to do; get money through spares to complete the full-piece pre-orders because he ran out of money. Honestly, it seems to me like he fumbled big time with buying the materials, or fucked up the manufacture somehow, to the point he had no spare cash in case of emergency.
if he blacklists you then he's blacklisted from things that actually matter, we dont appreciate over the top ridiculous black lists that only serve to make someone have a power trip
The funny thing is that, at least from my perspective as a brazillian, if someone takes $350 and then gives it back 1 year later, its giving you back LESS MONEY, its like, $300 in something that could potentially value $400. Because of inflation and also because the money could be invested. Binny is becoming a bank at this point
It's also common scammer behaviour to always say "yea you get the money next week" over and over again, I don't get how people fall for this, if the wait time is 1-2 months and it hasn't arrived after 2 months I do a forced refund
At least from my perspective as a Brazilian, it's hilarious to see someone say that $350 a year after is $300. Inflation does not change that much from year to year. Currency inflate about 0.01-0.10 each year the past 4 years and beyond even. Even our precious Real. From 2023 to 2024 for example, $350 would value at $360. And even then, that's not how economy works and it isn't the value of the currency that really makes something valued the same in the equivalent of economics, but rather the prices surrounding it. Is it something truly worth less, if everything around it stayed the same price ? I haven't watched the video yet, but this comment baffled me in the range of value you said.
The N64 speedrun community and even casuals can't catch a break with replacement sticks. Every available one on the market is absolute dogshit and every time someone makes a seemingly good new option they either can't produce enough and quit early like steel sticks or outright scam everyone like brewstyx and that other company who's name escapes me atm. We just want a good stick and nobody can seem to figure out how to make them in production quantities.
lol, didn't even made that connection, but it's true! telling you a time and day to meet up, doesn't show up and ghosts you, hits you up a few days later for a new day and time, delays it a few hours (like at the last moment), still shows up an hour late.
@@Buttersaemmel it's weird, cos u could see biinny as a "community member", the equivalent of a friend of a friend from another school, and these man always show up on time and give u a bit extra cos word of mouth means everything when u know who people are. ig u could look at biinny more as an anon online person, but since he's always around giving updates and is slowly sending out the product, it feels like it's smth else
Total outsider to this, but it seems the real "fix" would be to have a more community-based approach. An open design that has _zero_ proprietary bs to it. Schematics that can be taken to a machinist, maybe even some 3-D printing diagrams (which could be used to create a cast) and details on how to prep and assemble the parts so it's something _anyone_ could do. And from there people could be cool and offer to make up so many for other people (whether as a gift or to sell reasonably since the plans are openly available and charging too much will just mean people will find a way to make their own or buy from others rather than buy yours).
Didn't expect to be in this, but good video again. My subjective impression that you might not get from the video is that he's very temperamental, and it feels like if you press him at all then he will vanish for another 3 months. People even told me they didn't "like" my tweet that was in the video because they thought Biinny would ghost them because of it (this was before likes were private). I think buyers of products like these should take lead times with a grain of salt, but some people have been waiting nearly 2 years, and it's unacceptable to take their money and leave them in the dark. It also seems to take public pressure to coax even the slightest update from him, so I hope this causes him to address the situation properly and AT LEAST fulfill refunds to the people who want them.
I was one of the people who took the parts only offer. The stick itself was screwed, no matter what setup I used it with or how the nib was oriented down left was always way off and I'm almost certain it's the stick itself. Think he just either didn't test it or used it as a way to off load the faulty parts from his provider.
Could be why he was so slow to fulfill orders. Might be hard to get the right combination of parts and setup to get it working right and he offloaded that risk to you.
Sounds like he bit off more than he could chew. I started a business several years ago. For the first 2 years I worked 16+ hours a day (20 hours wasn’t uncommon) 7 days a week, no breaks, no lunch, no vacations. Lost about 40 lbs, mental state was somewhere between delusional and psychotic. Meanwhile no matter how hard I tried clients were never happy. They were more accustomed to the service a corporation with thousands of people on staff could provide. Completely ignoring they were paying more of a lesser product, want your cake and eat it too type situation. Finally hired a few people over time. It took six full time employees to do what I was trying to do alone. Long and short, if you start a business or selling a product start small and grow big. Keep in mind you will be the CEO, the technical department, the customer service department, the warranty department, the finance department, the IT department, the marketing department, etc etc and NO ONE will give a s***. Closest I got to a day off the first couple years was the day I did my personal and business taxes. Really make or break a person tbh. Will your mental state crack and you throw your arms up in the air in pure despair feeling like a complete failure at everything or buckle down and keep fighting (assuming it doesnt literally kill you) until you can afford to pay other people to take some of the burden off you?
biinny's behaviour reminds me a bit of myself when i was suffering from ocd and got mental blocks on communicating to confront the sinking ship i was on, and eventually walked into the tutorial and the tutor said "you are having me on" or smth like that. i had a friend who got even deeper into this and just to the end was in denial and went down with 2nd year exams and just had to start over elsewhere. if you could have someone talk to biinny in person, it might make all the difference, but other than that i'd recommend being firm with requesting refunds and pursuing him on payment services. you have to stop chasing the koolaid of getting a stick, and in turn he must confront things fully and get to the stage of promising nothing and being ongoingly fully open and honest with people
If you pay for a product and expect it to come in, only to be blacklisted and *not* receive said product because you were upset at the ETA being much longer than advertised, that's a lawsuit waiting to happen. While not in any kind of speedrunning community of any sort, and I do feel for the guy having to deal with an injury and a family emergency/illness, he's still *selling a product*. A simple "things have been hectic with real life, unable to work on any orders at this time, will update after life has smoothed over" would've gone over better than literal radio silence. The one thing I've learned from seeing people commission art and commissioning art myself is communication is key; all too often I'd hear about an artist just poofing into the ether for months on end, some never to return, and having essentially stolen that commission money. This is why contracts are a thing. I hope whoever bought a stick/part gets it soon, and for Biinny, please reevaluate your wait times and communications, get a damn social media manager if you have to.
To be fair, I think logistically, they bite off a lot more than they can chew. Then they handle the fallout poorly because of inexperience. I don't think it's malice.
While it's always worth looking into, your ability to get a chargeback is very much dependent on how you paid (eg. credit card charge, PayPal, direct transfer) & how long ago it was. But even if you can't do it in this instance, at least you'll know for the next time you pre-order or buy online.
as someone who also makes custom stuff per order (not in bulk like biinny does) i can understand him to a point where he does not wanna communicate all the errors he is encountering. i also understand that you can sink in months of work without noticing the world still moving around you. the only point where i think the critics are absolutely right is with his timemanagement and the communication that sprung out of it. i would have stoppped orders completely, worked on the remaining orders to fulfill them and then "start new" from there on. it must be heartbreaking to see that you really try to deliver on something that you are proud of and also can make some bucks off of it - but then turning heel (in the eye of the community) due to personal stuff and missmanagement on his behalf. what a shitty situation overall :( no biinny, no sticks, no trust from the community anymore
Hes stuck wanting to promise the world to everyone then hes embarrassed when he fails and keeps making more promises. At one point he could probably give refunds but probably now doesnt have the $$. Has good intentions but needs to man up and accept the consequences of failure in this project
Hello, total outside to this topic, first time I've seen one of your videos and truly appreciated your perspective and it's clear you put a ton of work into your video. I feel like I'm now much more aware of a niche of the gaming world that I'm not involved in. Love it and keep it up. That said please stop ending ever cut with a zoom and snap out. This video was great to listen to but the constant in and out snapping was driving me insane and I had to actually hide the video so I could focus on the words without feeling like I was being grabbed by the shoulders and shaken. Thanks, keep it up ^^
Great video and insights. Took me 13 months to get my module but I did get it. Still better service than retech, I’ll never get my products or money back from that scam. On the flip side, I received my oudini stick and bowl combo in no time and it is my favorite module to use. Loved the video and can’t wait to see more.
i got pretty stupid lucky with the steel stick thing. Linus sent me a prototype titanium stick to test and it plays like a dream. Ive had it since like a 8 months or so into him making them. still plays great. just replaced the gears at Super Nova this year.
Very Intresting product, as a guy with friends in metal and plastic fabrication I can get this replicated pretty easily. I'm gonna attempt to get my hands on one of these from a third party source to do a tear down and 3D cad drawing . My guess is he was out sourcing to China and the lead times/qc issues that come out of there crippled him. Add in the move to the UK and all his shipping cost changes brought him to his knees forcing him to pay out of pocket now for the product and essentially go dark. Will start on this first thing and see what I can come up with for everyone!
This isn't confusing at all. Preorders, he already has your money. Why isn't he sending you the product? Because he has other people willing to pay him for more. He already spent the preorder money, and doesn't want to feel like he's giving these away. Mailing out preorders feels to him like giving them away because he's not gaining any NEW money, just paying back the money he already spent. It's why for custom work I never want to be paid upfront. I don't like feeling like I'm working for free.
Will never understand the love for the 64 controller. But why doesn’t someone just work on an adapter to fit a Hal Effect stick into it? Over $300 for a stick module is straight up highway robbery. Metal or not.
It's crazy to me. I replaced an N64 stick about a decade ago with a random one off the internet for much less money and haven't had any issues since. It's very precise and while it looks a bit different the feel is the same. And if I could Google "how to replace n64 analog stick" in 2014 and get a quick and easy to follow guide to crack open the controller and replace it myself without breaking anything, any kid in 2024 can probably do it.
i remember even back in the day when playing goldeneye or mario kart, just struggling to use the stick, was fine for the time since it was before i played anything like the playstation or dreamcast but i can't see myself using it today, if i get a n64 again, im investing in some controller adapter and just use something else...
The crazy part about it is that judging by how everyone whose tried making them goes way overestimate, overbudget and fizzles out, either with subpar quality or subpar wait times, these are actually worth way more than $350.
Excellent video. Thanks for giving a voice to all of those affected. I'll reach out to you with more data in case you want to do a follow-up video in the future. BTW, no, I never got my bowl or a refund.
Rule 1 of good business: don't make promises you can't keep. The fact that there even is consideration of a "chance" at getting one after you already paid for it, let alone the fact that people are afraid to criticize out of fear of losing that chance, is such a toxic situation. There's no excuse to sit on other people's money and not refund them when they ask. The fact that he is ghosting refund requests is the worst offense. If you have stuff going on in your personal life that makes it too hard to deliver on your promise, then stop allowing preorders and just give people their money back at the very least.
7:00 "the project was back, and Xian was happy, surely that's the end of the controversy, right?" immediately after: lord of the rings movie trailer "what did you do, binny, what did you dooo?
I don't mean to play devil's advocate too hard, I've never touched an N64, nor played a Mario game... but this is just one man. I understand the expectations of prompt orders and delivery times, but this guy isn't some lousy dropshipper or a billion dollar megacorp like Amazon. It's one guy trying to make something seemingly quite special and artisan and thus couldn't keep up with the demand. It's overambition, sure, but not malice, maybe he needs to hire a customer support manager, who can deal with the incoming waves of requests and questions while he works on his craft. EDIT: Nevermind, I watched the last few minutes of the video... yeah it doesn't look great.
still waiting on my module that I purchased in september 2022, been using nothing but the same oem controller since then cuz I’ve tried to hold out hope that one day I’ll receive the module (extreme heavy cope, but honestly my controller still feels alright so I don’t care that much)
As someone who has been a former speedrunner out of touch with the community for 3 years it's nice to have updates or niche content about things in the community. Very much enjoyed this watched it fully despite never having heard of the drama.
Simple solution for these type of projects, you shouldn’t have to pay until the product is made and ready to ship. Paying and then waiting indefinitely is ridiculous if I’m understanding this correctly. $300 is also way too much for something like this when alternatives are readily available (ie hori, or GCC like I use)
the thing is, i 100% agree, but Biinny did do that orginally, and without a commitment he could just boot you out of the waitlist, as he almost did when people were mad about Xein.
The economics of manufacturing physical parts makes your "simple solution" hard to swallow. Assuming this person is relying on a machine shop... Machining a single part (and even a dozen) costs EXPONENTIALLY higher than 100pcs. So it's foolish to order parts to be manufactured as orders arrive but it's also a poor decision to under/over manufacture for a better price/part. Now I don't know ANYTHING about the N64 joystick but I do know a fair bit about manufacturing. So I can say this with confidence, manufacturing (in the US at least) is not cheap. Expect >$100/hour it takes to manufacture a SINGLE component, add in material costs, taxes and shipping. And suddenly your "$10 dollar component" looks like it's going to be closer to $10k. Btw the usual payment terms are 30/60/90 days after part delivery. So without any prior investment, it's the business owner who has to front the cost of manufacturing and undertake the financial risk. From the consumer end, consumables seems like it's ready whenever our whim desires it but reality is hardly like that. There is a reason why even seemly large corporations use platforms like indegogo/kickstarter to launch products. Most however are using private/pubic investment so it's not obviously apparent the public.
8bitdo and a silicone ring for the stick makes good enough controllers. The speed run community is under the impression if they dump a bunch of money into their equipment they'll suddenly get better times.
The product quality endorsement with the overall tone of the video gives severe whiplash. The product quality is irrelevant when you don't receive the product and the customer service is non-existent.
I hope that Biinny's gonna try to make things right, some transparency would be amazing. Ideal solution would be to refund people and slowly get back working on the project I think. Do one order at a time without making promises. Either way I hope the project isn't gonna shut down. His work seems to be amazing and sticks like that are needed.
Pretending to make this product while not actually delivering it only acts as a deterrent to other suppliers who might be interested in getting into the market.
Spot on timing at 16:00. I was just shaking my head thinking "why aren't people asking for refunds" when it's said "at this point, you're probably wondering why people aren't asking for refunds." Like, exactly as I thought it, it was said lol
It seems like in all these stick stories... the person saying they would make them allowed /too/ many people to order them up. Then they get overwhelmed and life situations pile in on top of it. Why didn't they simply limit it to like only allowing 5 orders a month? or something like that which would allow them to control the flow of demand.
more gamers need to step up and learn the skills needed to create hardware like this, rather than relying on just a couple people and companies to get anything done
It's just a terrible product to make one-offs. People tried to 3d print, etc but it's too finicky. It's impossible for a thousand people to just buy lathes to make a single stick. Factory batch production makes more sense.
By bringing up medical expenses it's very clear he already spent the buyers money. Explains why he kept trying to sell more sticks online and at conventions for immediate profit. He already spent the money from the people who pre-ordered. It might have started out as an honest attempt at a business, but it ultimately became a scam.
would it not be better to have really cheap mass produced sticks that work perfectly until they fail and need to be replaced vs a crazy expensive stick that functions the same as a cheap one but will "never fail"?
I know this may be a weird take, but i can kind of relate to binny. I am a huge procrastinator, and this seems like the behavior of someone with some mental health stuff. I've avoided and procrastinated to my own financial detriment repeatedly throughout my adult life, even though I do have the best of intentions, and i feel like he does too deep down. maybe just drowning from the pressure. I guess I could see something similar happening to me, if i was manufacturing at scale. All this being said, he clearly owes it to the people whose money he has to refund and be far more transparent.
not a weird take, i think we all understand how it feels to have tons of pressure weighing down on us, and i do not envy that. i genuinely think his intention was always to make a good stick, but as time went on, he was sinking with his own ship
Not everyone has the equipment to make them though. Sure, someone else who has the production equipment can start making and selling them, but then they will also get overwhelmed with orders and without the ability to expand their production capacity, they will also fall behind.
@@n7x that is the lamest excuse to not succeed that i've ever heard. i don't want to start a business, because i would sell too many and then have to fill orders... just steal his design like he stole your $14K. a guy that lazy doesn't have a patent or a lawyer. and kid, get ready, cuz you're going to be broke your entire life with that mentality.
@@BobbyxZx what I mean is that starting a business like this is a big commitment, creating the sticks probably takes a long time even with the right equipment, so if it’s one guy making them all it’s going to be really tough for something they are probably doing in their free time. If they are one of the only people who make n64 sticks, they are going to get heaps of orders and will probably have to ship them in small batches and close the order list very frequently. It could also result in long wait times as well. This doesn’t excuse what brewstix did though, sure, he knows how to make good sticks, but he just doesn’t care about the business, he wants people’s money. He just straight up stole money and didn’t care to put in a small amount of effort to just give a short update on late orders and his situation. I really hope that a competitor succeeds, even if they take a couple months per order, it’s just that starting a business isn’t as simple as making the product. There is a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes, managing and shipping orders, creating the sticks, quality control, customer service, it’s just that brewstix did basically none of that. The point I tried to make is that even a successful business will take quite some time to ship orders, the only way to make them readily available would be to mass produce them, and I don’t think any n64 speedrunners have control over any mass manufacturing facilities.
Mass producing high tolerance precision metal and mechanical parts from your home is easier said than done. Even if you have some equipment at home that would let you make them, it's still not that simple. I have a saw and some glue in my garage so I could start making furniture today, and if for whatever reason there was a demand for that the furniture I could sell it also. But if you look at people selling homemade furniture, they sell for incredibly high prices and are made in low volumes compared to store bought furniture because of the labour costs, the lack of a large scale production line, the impracticality of buying huge bulk amounts of material to save costs etc., problems a factory does not have. So if an individual is going to start making steel controller sticks, you just can't expect there to be more than a small number for a high price, unless you commit your whole life to the project. There's more to it than just the design.
Dude wtf January 2024 I thought the shady orders were done... By now...hope you guys found a good person or company that make better sticks. Amazed that a few people get the stick and don't lose the money GREAT VIDEO❤
to legaly scam people just force them to wait too long to get compensations then do alf your job, people will have mixed opinions and some will wait in hope that you actualy try to sell something, more than 10k in the bag
Man, speedrunners are some of the most entitled people on the planet. "I bought a product from you. That should obviously come with lifetime replacements at your own expense including paying for all shipping" No wonder so many different people gave up trying to offer this product to insufferable customers.
His mom had serious medical issues. Probably couldn't afford treatment in the states. I would have gone too. Not saying that justifies his business practices.
@@MiSambra I wouldn't have gone; granted simple ways of dealing with taxes over there but then again, dealing with Britain and it's bull. You can be arrested for having a fake blade that's too long, m* zzies praying in the street, knife attacks, acid attacks, gr**ming gangs, self defense is basically illegal; I'm not moving to some Dystopian h*ll hole for my mom, I love my mom but there are lines I'm not st*pid enough to cross.
You don't pay taxes for the first 12K in the UK. Get that, you don't start paying all taxes after the 12K a year, you only pay what's above! By that I mean that if you open a tiny company, make 12,001 GBP, you are taxed on 1 GBP for the whole year... All thresholds work this way. Going to the UK is a smart move for tiny companies. Or you can just run with everyone's money and not declare anything, that works too.
If the orders are getting too big or there are too many, stop taking orders, fill the existing orders, then take more. With a Niche, Quality product, people will wait. If you can’t tell by the people waiting a YEAR
very unfortunate. It also sucks that its not really worth suing over to get the money back as it would cost more than the money lost. My condolences to all yall who bought from that guy
Great job with the video, I appreciate telling the whole story since I always feel out of the loop on updates For the record I have an open order still, but am starting to consider requesting a refund 👀
@@mulptv He did but many never received that. I opted for a partial refund with just the stick and bowl and was told when bowls came in I would get one. I was told it would be shipped when bowls came in November of last year. Those bowls were all sold to new customers. Currently no refund or parts.
bro, this guy is a scammer, it doesn't matter what he writes or what not, you're supporting him by leaving this comment here just saying. It's typical scammer behaviour to stall victims giving them a little drop of hope so that they dont stress too much
This is so common in the modding community. Dude releases a product w/pre-orders, it makes a ton of money/sales, good communication and update for a few weeks/months, communication drops off, customers want answers, seller ghosts, gets defensive or both, customers start getting mad, and it leads to a months/years long shitshow in which people may or may not get their stuff, and everyone had a bad time when they didn't need to.
Moral of the story STOP TAKING PRE-ORDERS AND COMMUNICATE WITH THE PEOPLE GIVING YOU MONEY.
The moral of the story is to never pre order anything. If it requires pre order, it's a scam.
@@RiasatSalminSamiI mean... Yes and no? Just stay away from bethesda
@@Jamstaro1 what do you mean no? Why trust anyone and give them the benefit of the doubt? If they release the product and it turns out to be good, then buy it.
If they ask for pre order, dont buy it, period. That not only goes for bethesda, but every other game companies and everything else.
The true moral is to stop preordering. What nonsense.
I worked for an Answering service for a time back in the day and it felt like half the calls I got were from shitty businesses trying to avoid their customers/clients, hoping they'd give up trying to contact them.
Just because someone runs a business, does not make them a professional.
I'm glad someone is talking about this. A viewer was kind enough to buy me a BrewBowl and it arrived with a broken housing. Haven't heard a word since January.
I'm sorry to hear that he's got so much serious stuff going on in his personal life, but it sounds like his goodwill with the community was already running on fumes even before that.
damn i remember this
donlt feel bad that just his karma , heed needs to feel pain
having issues in your personal life doesn't excuse this and the fact he would use that to try to justify this makes him a shitty person.
His issues started after he took preorders and failed to meet deadlines numerous times already. At that point it was just an excuse to pause the DMs.
News flash buddy, everyone has serious shit they deal with in life that doesn't mean everyone steals from people
Selling a single part or module on his stores before every single pre-order was fulfilled is ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE for anyone to do!
Situations like this are so common in the retro community.
* Someone makes a one of a kind product
* Everybody wants it
* Person behind the project announces fake deadlines they can't meet
* Deadlines pass
* Communication is cut
* People get upset
* Clones arrive
* Original project becomes irrelevant
i was on the first waitlist (paid june 2021) and didnt get mine until january 2023.
Shoutouts to Bebop for being ahead of his time in his anger against Biinny
I paid for an ebay stick to be in the first wave of pre orders. It's been about 2 years and I still don't have it :^)
I've almost found him a bit odd. When I speedran back in like 2012, right about when Binny started we used to talk on Skype. I've never really liked him. Could never tell why.
something I've noticed about all of these guys is that they all work based off of pre-orders/wait lists, fail to meet the deadlines they imposed on themselves when taking the pre-orders/waitlists and then get bitter when people try to keep in touch with them.
if they would just sell when they have stock, no wait list, no pre-orders. then the timeline wouldn't matter. they could take as much time as they want, because they would be under no obligations to deliver a product not yet produced.
But then they couldn't take all the money upfront.
So that's never going to happen.
If they don't take pre-orders they would have to use their own money to buy stock. A) They might not have $10-20k available to invest into stock. B) They might buy more stock than there is demand, and therefore waste their money on unsold stock.
With a pre-order setup, you can potentially even have a revenue-positive buildout, or at least only bearably negative until you get things rolling and start selling units beyond the reserved stock. The latter's mostly reserved for large businesses, extremely wealthy individuals metamorphosing into a large business, and people on some pretty regular budgets and a dream taking the first step to obtaining bankruptcy protection.
Edit: Also there's really no better way to gauge interest and intent to buy a product than someone throwing you the entire asking price before it even exists. Yeah, the potential for abuse is really obvious, but it doesn't make it any less of a decent idea to get things off the ground. Just one of those situations where everyone involved needs to be careful and figure out early whether a possible outcome is "failed product design, oh well" and no refunds because it all went into R&D.
@@StopChangingUsernamesTH-cam Right but if you really have 300+ people willing to wait six months for something, you can toss the product on ebay and potentially get 2-5x your price from some whales who dont want to wait. The other reason these guys potentially disappear is they have no clue how much time and effort it will actually take, and want to quit when they realize that theyre probably working for 1-2$ an hour, plus the added benefit of a hoard of angry speedrunners hounding you.
@@N3wW0rld business is an investment, not a charity. You don't take customer preorders if you know you can't fulfill them in a timely manner.
As someone who waited a full year after the promised 2-3 month wait and have multiple friends in the community who are waiting on $300 to $400 refunds to this day with no response at all with those orders being placed the same day as I, it’s just absurd. Glad you are bringing this to light so proper accountability can be held
This
Can't he be sued? Tbh, I kind of wish he was after reading about all the people he has ignored about refunds, about re-sending a working piece that came broken, etc.
I’m still waiting since the 2022 preorder that was supposed to ship in January still not even a word ! :)
Why aren't people disputing these transactions with their banks?
You only get 90 days @@p1n3apple21
Hey man, great video. If I could suggest something though, when you do your cuts between lines, you should either cut sooner or maintain eye contact with the camera longer after each line, so that when you cut you aren't looking down at your script at the end of every line.
loool yeah i was so annoyed w myself while editing but didn’t wanna re-record it all, agree completely
Place an order in November of 2022. I've offered to send him a mint condition controller to be used for donor parts because a year ago he told me that's what the hold up was. No reply. In fact, he hasn't replied to a single one of my messages for a year at this point.
The truth of the matter goes like this. Binny spent all the money... he blew a lot while he was in America, the remaining 10k ish he used to fly back to the UK and to keep himself financially secure for awhile while in the UK and having to deal with his mother and find a job in the meantime. I hope this clears things up without going into to much detail.
I think anyone should've been able to read that between the lines. When he started publicising selling parts of the product -- not the full thing -- in conventions, people should've realized what he was trying to do; get money through spares to complete the full-piece pre-orders because he ran out of money. Honestly, it seems to me like he fumbled big time with buying the materials, or fucked up the manufacture somehow, to the point he had no spare cash in case of emergency.
if he blacklists you then he's blacklisted from things that actually matter, we dont appreciate over the top ridiculous black lists that only serve to make someone have a power trip
Binny's non-apology is exactly like the confession of a cheating speedrunner.
The funny thing is that, at least from my perspective as a brazillian, if someone takes $350 and then gives it back 1 year later, its giving you back LESS MONEY, its like, $300 in something that could potentially value $400. Because of inflation and also because the money could be invested. Binny is becoming a bank at this point
It's also common scammer behaviour to always say "yea you get the money next week" over and over again, I don't get how people fall for this, if the wait time is 1-2 months and it hasn't arrived after 2 months I do a forced refund
I agree. It’s also why I don’t understand why anyone would ever preorder a game and give gaming companies an interest free loan
The money would still have decreased in value if it was just sitting in your bank account
@@JonSSteinerpreorders used to be to ensure you had a copy at launch. In the digital age where there's zero supply issues preorders are scams
At least from my perspective as a Brazilian, it's hilarious to see someone say that $350 a year after is $300. Inflation does not change that much from year to year. Currency inflate about 0.01-0.10 each year the past 4 years and beyond even. Even our precious Real.
From 2023 to 2024 for example, $350 would value at $360.
And even then, that's not how economy works and it isn't the value of the currency that really makes something valued the same in the equivalent of economics, but rather the prices surrounding it. Is it something truly worth less, if everything around it stayed the same price ?
I haven't watched the video yet, but this comment baffled me in the range of value you said.
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The N64 speedrun community and even casuals can't catch a break with replacement sticks. Every available one on the market is absolute dogshit and every time someone makes a seemingly good new option they either can't produce enough and quit early like steel sticks or outright scam everyone like brewstyx and that other company who's name escapes me atm. We just want a good stick and nobody can seem to figure out how to make them in production quantities.
Kitcsh-bent is really good just buy a lot cuz they are just like originals and will go bad. Fortunately very cheap.
8bitdo hal effect sticks are nearly perfect for casual play
Homeboy is on drug dealer time. I swear, these people get this sense of superiority and a building resentment over the people they sell to.
lol, didn't even made that connection, but it's true!
telling you a time and day to meet up, doesn't show up and ghosts you, hits you up a few days later for a new day and time, delays it a few hours (like at the last moment), still shows up an hour late.
@@Buttersaemmel it's weird, cos u could see biinny as a "community member", the equivalent of a friend of a friend from another school, and these man always show up on time and give u a bit extra cos word of mouth means everything when u know who people are. ig u could look at biinny more as an anon online person, but since he's always around giving updates and is slowly sending out the product, it feels like it's smth else
i bet he spent all the preorder money and can't afford the raw materials to make the sticks out of. fulfilling those orders will only cost him money
Nah, sometimes you get one of them who shows up on time 😜
Total outsider to this, but it seems the real "fix" would be to have a more community-based approach. An open design that has _zero_ proprietary bs to it. Schematics that can be taken to a machinist, maybe even some 3-D printing diagrams (which could be used to create a cast) and details on how to prep and assemble the parts so it's something _anyone_ could do. And from there people could be cool and offer to make up so many for other people (whether as a gift or to sell reasonably since the plans are openly available and charging too much will just mean people will find a way to make their own or buy from others rather than buy yours).
Ah, but you see, if he did that he couldn't make all that extra $$$.
The problem is that making a one-off is expensive.
Didn't expect to be in this, but good video again. My subjective impression that you might not get from the video is that he's very temperamental, and it feels like if you press him at all then he will vanish for another 3 months. People even told me they didn't "like" my tweet that was in the video because they thought Biinny would ghost them because of it (this was before likes were private). I think buyers of products like these should take lead times with a grain of salt, but some people have been waiting nearly 2 years, and it's unacceptable to take their money and leave them in the dark. It also seems to take public pressure to coax even the slightest update from him, so I hope this causes him to address the situation properly and AT LEAST fulfill refunds to the people who want them.
2 years when promised 3 months isn't a lead time. It's a scam.
I was one of the people who took the parts only offer. The stick itself was screwed, no matter what setup I used it with or how the nib was oriented down left was always way off and I'm almost certain it's the stick itself. Think he just either didn't test it or used it as a way to off load the faulty parts from his provider.
he probably didnt put it through testing
I took the same offer (stick and bowl only) and mine turned out fine.
@@wicko3294 forgot you talked to me about this actually lol, so probably a lack of testing then
Could be why he was so slow to fulfill orders. Might be hard to get the right combination of parts and setup to get it working right and he offloaded that risk to you.
Sounds like he bit off more than he could chew. I started a business several years ago. For the first 2 years I worked 16+ hours a day (20 hours wasn’t uncommon) 7 days a week, no breaks, no lunch, no vacations. Lost about 40 lbs, mental state was somewhere between delusional and psychotic.
Meanwhile no matter how hard I tried clients were never happy. They were more accustomed to the service a corporation with thousands of people on staff could provide. Completely ignoring they were paying more of a lesser product, want your cake and eat it too type situation.
Finally hired a few people over time. It took six full time employees to do what I was trying to do alone.
Long and short, if you start a business or selling a product start small and grow big. Keep in mind you will be the CEO, the technical department, the customer service department, the warranty department, the finance department, the IT department, the marketing department, etc etc and NO ONE will give a s***. Closest I got to a day off the first couple years was the day I did my personal and business taxes.
Really make or break a person tbh. Will your mental state crack and you throw your arms up in the air in pure despair feeling like a complete failure at everything or buckle down and keep fighting (assuming it doesnt literally kill you) until you can afford to pay other people to take some of the burden off you?
biinny's behaviour reminds me a bit of myself when i was suffering from ocd and got mental blocks on communicating to confront the sinking ship i was on, and eventually walked into the tutorial and the tutor said "you are having me on" or smth like that. i had a friend who got even deeper into this and just to the end was in denial and went down with 2nd year exams and just had to start over elsewhere. if you could have someone talk to biinny in person, it might make all the difference, but other than that i'd recommend being firm with requesting refunds and pursuing him on payment services. you have to stop chasing the koolaid of getting a stick, and in turn he must confront things fully and get to the stage of promising nothing and being ongoingly fully open and honest with people
If you pay for a product and expect it to come in, only to be blacklisted and *not* receive said product because you were upset at the ETA being much longer than advertised, that's a lawsuit waiting to happen. While not in any kind of speedrunning community of any sort, and I do feel for the guy having to deal with an injury and a family emergency/illness, he's still *selling a product*. A simple "things have been hectic with real life, unable to work on any orders at this time, will update after life has smoothed over" would've gone over better than literal radio silence.
The one thing I've learned from seeing people commission art and commissioning art myself is communication is key; all too often I'd hear about an artist just poofing into the ether for months on end, some never to return, and having essentially stolen that commission money. This is why contracts are a thing.
I hope whoever bought a stick/part gets it soon, and for Biinny, please reevaluate your wait times and communications, get a damn social media manager if you have to.
personal issues don't matter here. he ghosted everyone when he had the ability to be able to let everyone know what was happening.
To be fair, I think logistically, they bite off a lot more than they can chew. Then they handle the fallout poorly because of inexperience. I don't think it's malice.
Weird, I used to be friends with his wife. I recognized his face in the thumbnail... small world.
Can you get our money back?
Dude clearly realized he hit a goldmine. Hope the lawsuits he's about to face will be a deterrent to anyone who gets any ideas.
It's easy to threaten lawsuits but no lawyer is going to waste the time on a class action for part of $14k.
Also, those of you still waiting for refunds with no communication: consider doing a chargeback through your bank.
I'm not sure you can do that after a certain time
While it's always worth looking into, your ability to get a chargeback is very much dependent on how you paid (eg. credit card charge, PayPal, direct transfer) & how long ago it was. But even if you can't do it in this instance, at least you'll know for the next time you pre-order or buy online.
The entire reason he dragged out the timeline like this is to get past the 180-day PayPal chargeback deadline.
I'd still try through the bank even though its paypal, a friend of mine was scammed via paypal and the bank was able to fix it for them still
@@woif00 That's the point. Guess why the wait list was 6 months.
as someone who also makes custom stuff per order (not in bulk like biinny does) i can understand him to a point where he does not wanna communicate all the errors he is encountering. i also understand that you can sink in months of work without noticing the world still moving around you. the only point where i think the critics are absolutely right is with his timemanagement and the communication that sprung out of it. i would have stoppped orders completely, worked on the remaining orders to fulfill them and then "start new" from there on. it must be heartbreaking to see that you really try to deliver on something that you are proud of and also can make some bucks off of it - but then turning heel (in the eye of the community) due to personal stuff and missmanagement on his behalf. what a shitty situation overall :( no biinny, no sticks, no trust from the community anymore
really well put, it just sucks for everyone
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Cool seeing you here i am currently watching your sly cooper 2 vid whenever i have time
Hes stuck wanting to promise the world to everyone then hes embarrassed when he fails and keeps making more promises.
At one point he could probably give refunds but probably now doesnt have the $$.
Has good intentions but needs to man up and accept the consequences of failure in this project
There is no doubt left, N64 sticks are simply cursed.
Hello, total outside to this topic, first time I've seen one of your videos and truly appreciated your perspective and it's clear you put a ton of work into your video. I feel like I'm now much more aware of a niche of the gaming world that I'm not involved in. Love it and keep it up.
That said please stop ending ever cut with a zoom and snap out. This video was great to listen to but the constant in and out snapping was driving me insane and I had to actually hide the video so I could focus on the words without feeling like I was being grabbed by the shoulders and shaken.
Thanks, keep it up ^^
lmaooo appreciate it, working on getting better at editing
@@treybordo you've got a good thing going and a great voice, I look forward to your next videos
Great video and insights. Took me 13 months to get my module but I did get it. Still better service than retech, I’ll never get my products or money back from that scam. On the flip side, I received my oudini stick and bowl combo in no time and it is my favorite module to use. Loved the video and can’t wait to see more.
i got pretty stupid lucky with the steel stick thing. Linus sent me a prototype titanium stick to test and it plays like a dream. Ive had it since like a 8 months or so into him making them. still plays great. just replaced the gears at Super Nova this year.
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@@beststeamermoments3808 yo.
Crazy that someone hasn't taken advantage of this market space
dude stole my money 😢
Very Intresting product, as a guy with friends in metal and plastic fabrication I can get this replicated pretty easily. I'm gonna attempt to get my hands on one of these from a third party source to do a tear down and 3D cad drawing .
My guess is he was out sourcing to China and the lead times/qc issues that come out of there crippled him.
Add in the move to the UK and all his shipping cost changes brought him to his knees forcing him to pay out of pocket now for the product and essentially go dark.
Will start on this first thing and see what I can come up with for everyone!
"You don't want liability, don't sell products." - Louis Rossmann.
This isn't confusing at all. Preorders, he already has your money. Why isn't he sending you the product? Because he has other people willing to pay him for more.
He already spent the preorder money, and doesn't want to feel like he's giving these away. Mailing out preorders feels to him like giving them away because he's not gaining any NEW money, just paying back the money he already spent.
It's why for custom work I never want to be paid upfront. I don't like feeling like I'm working for free.
This is an absolutely bizarre story haha wow. Great video
Will never understand the love for the 64 controller.
But why doesn’t someone just work on an adapter to fit a Hal Effect stick into it?
Over $300 for a stick module is straight up highway robbery. Metal or not.
There are hall stick modules, but iirc the "stick feel" is wrong
It's crazy to me. I replaced an N64 stick about a decade ago with a random one off the internet for much less money and haven't had any issues since. It's very precise and while it looks a bit different the feel is the same.
And if I could Google "how to replace n64 analog stick" in 2014 and get a quick and easy to follow guide to crack open the controller and replace it myself without breaking anything, any kid in 2024 can probably do it.
i remember even back in the day when playing goldeneye or mario kart, just struggling to use the stick, was fine for the time since it was before i played anything like the playstation or dreamcast but i can't see myself using it today, if i get a n64 again, im investing in some controller adapter and just use something else...
The crazy part about it is that judging by how everyone whose tried making them goes way overestimate, overbudget and fizzles out, either with subpar quality or subpar wait times, these are actually worth way more than $350.
Excellent video. Thanks for giving a voice to all of those affected.
I'll reach out to you with more data in case you want to do a follow-up video in the future. BTW, no, I never got my bowl or a refund.
Rule 1 of good business: don't make promises you can't keep. The fact that there even is consideration of a "chance" at getting one after you already paid for it, let alone the fact that people are afraid to criticize out of fear of losing that chance, is such a toxic situation. There's no excuse to sit on other people's money and not refund them when they ask. The fact that he is ghosting refund requests is the worst offense. If you have stuff going on in your personal life that makes it too hard to deliver on your promise, then stop allowing preorders and just give people their money back at the very least.
7:00 "the project was back, and Xian was happy, surely that's the end of the controversy, right?" immediately after: lord of the rings movie trailer "what did you do, binny, what did you dooo?
There are a lot of cases of people who get good at making a product or service, but then they overwhelm themselves
I don't mean to play devil's advocate too hard, I've never touched an N64, nor played a Mario game... but this is just one man. I understand the expectations of prompt orders and delivery times, but this guy isn't some lousy dropshipper or a billion dollar megacorp like Amazon. It's one guy trying to make something seemingly quite special and artisan and thus couldn't keep up with the demand. It's overambition, sure, but not malice, maybe he needs to hire a customer support manager, who can deal with the incoming waves of requests and questions while he works on his craft.
EDIT: Nevermind, I watched the last few minutes of the video... yeah it doesn't look great.
imagine preordering. you people still haven't learned a thing.
Yeah lol. Lemme just throw $350 at this guy who makes his money through charity from viewers. He obvs knows what business ethics are.
still waiting on my module that I purchased in september 2022, been using nothing but the same oem controller since then cuz I’ve tried to hold out hope that one day I’ll receive the module (extreme heavy cope, but honestly my controller still feels alright so I don’t care that much)
I feel you brother 😅
As someone who has been a former speedrunner out of touch with the community for 3 years it's nice to have updates or niche content about things in the community. Very much enjoyed this watched it fully despite never having heard of the drama.
Simple solution for these type of projects, you shouldn’t have to pay until the product is made and ready to ship. Paying and then waiting indefinitely is ridiculous if I’m understanding this correctly. $300 is also way too much for something like this when alternatives are readily available (ie hori, or GCC like I use)
300???? Are people nuts? yea that's an obvious scam if i've ever seen one 😂
the thing is, i 100% agree, but Biinny did do that orginally, and without a commitment he could just boot you out of the waitlist, as he almost did when people were mad about Xein.
The economics of manufacturing physical parts makes your "simple solution" hard to swallow. Assuming this person is relying on a machine shop... Machining a single part (and even a dozen) costs EXPONENTIALLY higher than 100pcs. So it's foolish to order parts to be manufactured as orders arrive but it's also a poor decision to under/over manufacture for a better price/part. Now I don't know ANYTHING about the N64 joystick but I do know a fair bit about manufacturing. So I can say this with confidence, manufacturing (in the US at least) is not cheap. Expect >$100/hour it takes to manufacture a SINGLE component, add in material costs, taxes and shipping. And suddenly your "$10 dollar component" looks like it's going to be closer to $10k. Btw the usual payment terms are 30/60/90 days after part delivery.
So without any prior investment, it's the business owner who has to front the cost of manufacturing and undertake the financial risk.
From the consumer end, consumables seems like it's ready whenever our whim desires it but reality is hardly like that.
There is a reason why even seemly large corporations use platforms like indegogo/kickstarter to launch products. Most however are using private/pubic investment so it's not obviously apparent the public.
@@agg42 US shop rate is more like $150 these days.
8bitdo and a silicone ring for the stick makes good enough controllers. The speed run community is under the impression if they dump a bunch of money into their equipment they'll suddenly get better times.
Two paragraphs of text is not the same as taking accountability
Sticky situation
nice
Thank you for shining some more light on this
Speedrunners and N64 stick drama was not on my 2024 bingo card.
It's on mine.
The product quality endorsement with the overall tone of the video gives severe whiplash. The product quality is irrelevant when you don't receive the product and the customer service is non-existent.
I hope that Biinny's gonna try to make things right, some transparency would be amazing.
Ideal solution would be to refund people and slowly get back working on the project I think. Do one order at a time without making promises. Either way I hope the project isn't gonna shut down. His work seems to be amazing and sticks like that are needed.
Pretending to make this product while not actually delivering it only acts as a deterrent to other suppliers who might be interested in getting into the market.
Spot on timing at 16:00. I was just shaking my head thinking "why aren't people asking for refunds" when it's said "at this point, you're probably wondering why people aren't asking for refunds." Like, exactly as I thought it, it was said lol
It seems like in all these stick stories... the person saying they would make them allowed /too/ many people to order them up. Then they get overwhelmed and life situations pile in on top of it. Why didn't they simply limit it to like only allowing 5 orders a month? or something like that which would allow them to control the flow of demand.
Sounds like he bit off more than he could chew and he's afraid to admit it.
18:00 "BrewStix64 is going nowhere" yeah they noticed ZING
Thanks for this much needed video!
_"it's so easy for me to pump out shit stuff"_ don't need any bigger of a red flag than that.
SCAMBA any%
should ve sent a couple of prototypes to a couple of influential people before selling it all out
Good video! Could use less random zooms as effects though. Too frequent and it feels a bit disorienting.
appreciate that, wasn’t sure how frequently to do it tbh, good to know
@@treybordo yes I agree with @12abbits72. Zooming just a few times in the whole video can be fine.
more gamers need to step up and learn the skills needed to create hardware like this,
rather than relying on just a couple people and companies to get anything done
It's just a terrible product to make one-offs. People tried to 3d print, etc but it's too finicky. It's impossible for a thousand people to just buy lathes to make a single stick. Factory batch production makes more sense.
By bringing up medical expenses it's very clear he already spent the buyers money. Explains why he kept trying to sell more sticks online and at conventions for immediate profit. He already spent the money from the people who pre-ordered. It might have started out as an honest attempt at a business, but it ultimately became a scam.
Biny :(
Sounds like he needs to increase the price
would it not be better to have really cheap mass produced sticks that work perfectly until they fail and need to be replaced vs a crazy expensive stick that functions the same as a cheap one but will "never fail"?
This reminds me of when my Dad went out to get milk and never came back
My deepest respect for you for saying your opinion, no matter the consequences.
W vid! Ive been following this the entire time but you showed some stuff i didnt know about
its so weird to so see many people make comments about transparency, we need to demand this in more things
more transparency!
I know this may be a weird take, but i can kind of relate to binny. I am a huge procrastinator, and this seems like the behavior of someone with some mental health stuff. I've avoided and procrastinated to my own financial detriment repeatedly throughout my adult life, even though I do have the best of intentions, and i feel like he does too deep down. maybe just drowning from the pressure. I guess I could see something similar happening to me, if i was manufacturing at scale. All this being said, he clearly owes it to the people whose money he has to refund and be far more transparent.
not a weird take, i think we all understand how it feels to have tons of pressure weighing down on us, and i do not envy that. i genuinely think his intention was always to make a good stick, but as time went on, he was sinking with his own ship
dude, he's scamming you all for thousands, just steal his design.
i have found you can't get a speedrunner to reimplement software even when the code is open source lol, these people ain't that competent
Not everyone has the equipment to make them though. Sure, someone else who has the production equipment can start making and selling them, but then they will also get overwhelmed with orders and without the ability to expand their production capacity, they will also fall behind.
@@n7x that is the lamest excuse to not succeed that i've ever heard. i don't want to start a business, because i would sell too many and then have to fill orders... just steal his design like he stole your $14K. a guy that lazy doesn't have a patent or a lawyer. and kid, get ready, cuz you're going to be broke your entire life with that mentality.
@@BobbyxZx what I mean is that starting a business like this is a big commitment, creating the sticks probably takes a long time even with the right equipment, so if it’s one guy making them all it’s going to be really tough for something they are probably doing in their free time. If they are one of the only people who make n64 sticks, they are going to get heaps of orders and will probably have to ship them in small batches and close the order list very frequently. It could also result in long wait times as well. This doesn’t excuse what brewstix did though, sure, he knows how to make good sticks, but he just doesn’t care about the business, he wants people’s money. He just straight up stole money and didn’t care to put in a small amount of effort to just give a short update on late orders and his situation. I really hope that a competitor succeeds, even if they take a couple months per order, it’s just that starting a business isn’t as simple as making the product. There is a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes, managing and shipping orders, creating the sticks, quality control, customer service, it’s just that brewstix did basically none of that. The point I tried to make is that even a successful business will take quite some time to ship orders, the only way to make them readily available would be to mass produce them, and I don’t think any n64 speedrunners have control over any mass manufacturing facilities.
Mass producing high tolerance precision metal and mechanical parts from your home is easier said than done. Even if you have some equipment at home that would let you make them, it's still not that simple. I have a saw and some glue in my garage so I could start making furniture today, and if for whatever reason there was a demand for that the furniture I could sell it also. But if you look at people selling homemade furniture, they sell for incredibly high prices and are made in low volumes compared to store bought furniture because of the labour costs, the lack of a large scale production line, the impracticality of buying huge bulk amounts of material to save costs etc., problems a factory does not have. So if an individual is going to start making steel controller sticks, you just can't expect there to be more than a small number for a high price, unless you commit your whole life to the project. There's more to it than just the design.
Dude wtf January 2024 I thought the shady orders were done... By now...hope you guys found a good person or company that make better sticks. Amazed that a few people get the stick and don't lose the money GREAT VIDEO❤
Biinny's a disgrace.
Damn I use to watch Biinny when Speedrunning was at its most hype. 2012-2015. Shame this happened.
Seeing this makes me glad I bought my sticks caps and bowls all separately.
Someone get this in front of slopes game room
Yall look like Paul Dano from Prisoners 🤔
Huh, a speedrunning controversy that isn't about a cheated run or about controversial speed run tactics. NEAT!
to legaly scam people just force them to wait too long to get compensations then do alf your job, people will have mixed opinions and some will wait in hope that you actualy try to sell something, more than 10k in the bag
I remember when he announced this I was like "$300?????" in his chat and he got big mad lmao
Man, speedrunners are some of the most entitled people on the planet.
"I bought a product from you. That should obviously come with lifetime replacements at your own expense including paying for all shipping"
No wonder so many different people gave up trying to offer this product to insufferable customers.
He decided to do the worse idea of moving to the UK. Biinny is a foolish person.
His mom had serious medical issues. Probably couldn't afford treatment in the states. I would have gone too.
Not saying that justifies his business practices.
@@MiSambra I wouldn't have gone; granted simple ways of dealing with taxes over there but then again, dealing with Britain and it's bull.
You can be arrested for having a fake blade that's too long, m* zzies praying in the street, knife attacks, acid attacks, gr**ming gangs, self defense is basically illegal; I'm not moving to some Dystopian h*ll hole for my mom, I love my mom but there are lines I'm not st*pid enough to cross.
You don't pay taxes for the first 12K in the UK. Get that, you don't start paying all taxes after the 12K a year, you only pay what's above!
By that I mean that if you open a tiny company, make 12,001 GBP, you are taxed on 1 GBP for the whole year... All thresholds work this way.
Going to the UK is a smart move for tiny companies. Or you can just run with everyone's money and not declare anything, that works too.
Well that scam was _steel hard_ and the way he kept _beating around the bush_ made it even _stick_ to people to never _play_ with their wallet.
If the orders are getting too big or there are too many, stop taking orders, fill the existing orders, then take more. With a Niche, Quality product, people will wait. If you can’t tell by the people waiting a YEAR
another day, another speedrunner drama
The fact he was telling people not to open the module seems sus AF.
very unfortunate. It also sucks that its not really worth suing over to get the money back as it would cost more than the money lost. My condolences to all yall who bought from that guy
I SEE YOUR GRIND TREY AND I RESPECT IT. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK (Y)
A new upload thats not BITS? thats new
Lmao, I called him a shill once on his stream and I felt guilty when he got really upset about it. Nice dude though to be fair! Talented speedrunner.
Great job with the video, I appreciate telling the whole story since I always feel out of the loop on updates
For the record I have an open order still, but am starting to consider requesting a refund 👀
That's the thing with a monopoly. He does not have to provide any(let alone good) service, cuz, what ya gonna do? Go buy one from elsewhere?
You guys need to call your lawyers
i definitely remember hearing he would offer the parts unassembled + partial refund. maybe it is a now deleted tweet/discord message.
iirc biinny offered party unassembled + partial refund in a etsy/ebay message to the customers
it was in his discord under a brewstix alert channel, which has been deleted for over a year now
@@mulptv
He did but many never received that. I opted for a partial refund with just the stick and bowl and was told when bowls came in I would get one. I was told it would be shipped when bowls came in November of last year. Those bowls were all sold to new customers. Currently no refund or parts.
bro, this guy is a scammer, it doesn't matter what he writes or what not, you're supporting him by leaving this comment here just saying. It's typical scammer behaviour to stall victims giving them a little drop of hope so that they dont stress too much
@@S4NSE my friend, it was a response to what trey brought up in the video. Im not defending binny 💀💀
I do not know anything about this topic but I still found the video informative. Keep it up.