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This video is brand new so, we are clear. Did you really think it was cool to take shots at Yankees, considering the absolute state of your own country?
As the CEO of a company within the game I can tell you that it's one of those games where you also have to put money in if you want to be able to make money from it, if you don't have decent armour and decent guns with lots of ammo then you will not be making much money at all. My company so far has probably put in around £5000 to buy skill implants, guns and armour as well as a lot of ammo and we have more than earned that back and have used it to buy PC upgrades and things to make our real lives better.
@@Sol4rFl4r3 My company specifically is not hiring at the moment but usually for new employees we buy everything they need to get started and take them to a relatively safe location where they will definitely earn money, anything they earn is theirs to keep it doesn't go back to the company, the only people who pay back into the company are me and the other CEO
When I tried this game over 15 years ago, experienced players gathered up the new players, and forced us to fight to the death in a thunderdome, putting 1 knife or other basic weapon in an arena pit and whoever survived could keep the weapon. One of my fond old gaming memories, absolutely hilarious.
Shout out to Noh and every player like them, a lot of people's first onboarding experience is with these players being extremely generous when the newbie is just asking for something simple Those first impressions of the community really are a positive boon for a multiplayer game's longevity
Also the same key he'd used to enter the vehicle just a few minutes earlier. Homie was thinking about the big score instead of pressing the F button again to see if you get out the same way you got in 🤣
I was gonna comment that "Super controversial real money economy MMO" sounds like every crypto game pitch ever, but then I saw the crypto purchase options and AI assistant and realized... It's not just "like" every crypto game ever, it was just ahead of the grifter's curve.
The idea of a game where you earn money for playing is enticing. The problem is that if it were what everyone thinks it is, everyone would do it and where would the money come from? In order for the game to be profitable, players have to put more money in than they take out. There have to be more losers than winners. I'm sure there's some guy who's been playing for free since launch, never put in a cent, and has made some money playing. But every cent he pulled out of the game came from somebody else putting it in without getting a return on that investment.
A big system he missed to explain, is where the money comes from :D Basically its about some "life force" you can sap from the NPC wildlife. If you start the process, they will attack you and interrupt you. So you need a group and it takes time etc etc (this is where people pay monthly instead of doing the grinding themself, and then there are players that get expensive items to bet on hunting runs...) Then plot owners need millions of those things. They need to invest it to have cooler stuff spawn on their property, and they can set a tax for loot collected on their land. Amd one thing he didnt mention, its insanely "Skill"-heavy... You have to train those skills for months before you can do anything good or fast. You cant buy a good weapon, without high enough skill it will just suck. So even endlevel players are still busy pushing the limits
@@MannIchFindKeinName He did touch on the way the economy works, just not in detail. The game doesn't, and logically CAN'T work the way one assumes "play to earn" would. You can't create an account, log in, play, and extract money from the system without putting any in. It's designed not to work like that.
@@Aogami20 I played for quite a while without putting any money into it, its just the most boring grind ever. It's so needed and so tedious to farm, old players regularly show up in newbie areas and buy it off of newer/poorer players. You can make some 10-15 bucks a month grinding like that, and it takes ages to get to the pay-out limit like that. And on basically every other activity you can lose money. Hell, even if you farm that life stuff, you will take damage, and healing equipment costs real money. If you dont wanna(/cant) buy that, you are left to stand around to do nothing constantly.
@@MannIchFindKeinName This is exactly my point. It's designed to make it theoretically possible, but practically impossible to take money out without putting any in. The no-money-in grind is so slow, boring and unprofitable you're better off getting an actual job. It is literally just unpaid labor because you'll never make enough to actually get paid out.
@@Aogami20 oh, jeah. I didnt bother too(ooo) much about it back then, as i was budgeting for 1 MMO subscrition/month; back when most MMOs were constant subscription (WoW) or absolute free-to-play trash, it was a nice inbetween
Ive had a char in Entropia for almost 20 years now. I deposited around 15k$, withdrawn around 20k, still have around 1k$ in there to play with. I owned beauty salon in there (where you pay for those locked avatar features), a store and even a taxed land area... Basic gameplay is a slot machine. House will never pay out more then ppl have put in. Obviously. You play against other players in order to earn money with razor thin margins. Just like real world. Bottom line, you can play it on budget of 20$ / mo or 20000$ / mo, as those slots can cost 0.01$ per spin or 100$+ per spin. But community is the best there is. Mature and respectful. You can just hang out and chat, doing free stuff for several cents to play for free. Oh yea. To be competitive in PVP youll need to buy around 20k$ worth of skills, around 15k$ worth of armor and healing tools and a gun with a pricetag of around 10k$. And youll still prolly be naild by veterans with same stuff but better knowlege of game mechanics, terrain and npc usage in pvp scenarios.
Played this game for a very long time ago as a kid, used to get up early before school to collect Barrels of Oil to later sell. Worked for a few people where I sold things for them and got a small payment for it. Good times
I have played MMOs... long, long time ago. Even when there was no money (real, in-game, or even experience) to be made, it used to be natural to help new players, because players are the life force of a game. Each noob you help is potential teammate down the line :)
Ah yes, skill based. The main word that separates it from gambling is dexterous. Meaning the odds are slightly more in favor to the clients. It's how "internet cafes" here in the states can have games like slots etc without being listed as a gambling business.
Well the game you gotta spend money to make money so people who are better probably just spent more nothing to do with skill just your broke just like a bunch of other people I’ve dropped 4k all together made around 40-50k stop whining and work
Is this tutorial new? 20~ years ago when I played, the "free-to-play" experience was gathering sweat. That's it. "Killing? Hahaha no. You'll never be able to afford that. Just collect sweat for 3 months then ask me again."
THIS, this was what I remember from this game, some vets taking us f2p newbs in sweating expeditions on some sort of helicopters, i think? earning less than a penny while the risk of death was high af, felt like a literal sweatshop
hunting is not that bad. You probably were fighting horrible mobs. You could treat it as a standard mmo and drop $15 a month and be just fine. You get around 90% return just vendoring loot and if you hunt the right things then it gets closer to 100% return (without selling your skill points)
@@CrippledFista game is about fun though not a return and why would you play a game that isn't fun just to try and get your money back? Sweating was literal sweatshop quality work not a game
@@arostwocents Well I had fun not having to sweat one single time. Well once for a quest. I was hunting bigger and better monsters and progressing. Like I said, I put in barely anything and had fun, same as someone who puts in $15 a month for Wow subscription. Except I have the option of selling everything including my skills and get some money back.
@@arostwocents i think its a cool concept, most games companies win while you're wasting both time and money so this instance at least gives you the chance of using that time for something thats gonna pay off in the long run
The minimum of $100 withdrawals is likely to avoid bank fees on small transactions - I've published some games on steam and switch, and they have the exact same policy, it's just not financially beneficial for them.
Mindark still takes a withdraw fee, minimum 10 USD, then 1% on the total. They also take a deposit fee of like 3.5% or something if u use a credit card, and probably more with other methods.
_"As the old saying goes... you can't polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter"_ Can't say I've heard that version before, but it earns an immediate 'like'! 🤣👍 _"At least we finally know the answer to the question - if a synchronised swimmer drowns, do they all drown?"_ _Aaaaand_ I'm probably going straight to hell for finding that unreasonably amusing, but that's definitely worth the subscription before I go... GG Mr Plobberton And GG Noh.👍
You can actually polish a turd. Look up dorodango, it's the art of polishing balls of dirt and dung to a mirror like finish. People actually buy them too. Why the Japanese made turd polishing a business, I don't know, but they look pretty cool lol. I guess the lesson is that with enough time and dedication, even a turd can be turned into something beautiful. Idk I'm not good at lessons.
@@TheMeatballMan420 I also knew a guy years ago..he got tired of the saying you can't polish a turd..so he did..I believe he made a bet out of it..he won..
I appreciate you making vids like this on lesser-known or dead MMOs like FFXI and Fallen Earth that will expose more people to them, for better or worse. Entropia looks like one I missed years back, and probably for the best.
The lag come from switching servers actually. The game is built on a large grid system with each square being it's on server instance or whatever. When flying to other planets in space you can actually use that to speed up the process. When you "lag" you know you've hopped to a new server cell and you can just suicide to pop up in the center of that cell at it's revive terminal. Doing that cuts interplanetary travel time in half lol. (don't do if you have droppable items though) Everyone in entropia is super nice in my experience. I played it a LOT 15 years ago lmao. Roctropia was fun with a city, rock n roll, and demons lol.
I played this game three times, the first in the early days. Some years later i tried again and i witnessed the most kind and at the same time, the most crazy rage quit i saw. I was running to my sweat spot when a player with armor and weapons, tools and medical items said he was tired and gave me everything, worth more than 500 peds 😂
Hey I know Noh, they helped me when i joined the game, they are good folk. Alot of the people in EU are good folks. I have been playing it for years and managed to buy a apartment without spending any PED The game is a grind but it's amazing to play with a good community
Thanks for not taking a poo on entropia. very Fair Video. And Thanks for using my video in your video :D haha I am in the camp where entropia is not gambling, Skills are the basics. the better some certain skills are the better your returns will be playing the game, but also having a good head to know when and what to do is important... Such as that Global ticker that goes off that seems like a bother.. That is a tool to know what areas are popping off, such as an event you might not know about when alot of people start seeing "Shared Loot" Globals going off, there is something somewhere going on. It goes quite Deep. And Knowledge in game helps lead you to profitable activitys if your skills are in the right place. Hinch why you get rewarded in skills for completing missions its alot bigger of a deal than you might think. There is so much i can cover but thats why i made my own youtube channel lol. Entropia is a Gem of a game And the community is wonderful for the most part. It isnt just about money it is also about the quility of people that play the game. And Sure you can spend alot of money playing, but thats why i love it, its not like the other MMO's out there where once my money is spent its gone. if i play entropia and i do good i can take money out of the game... but i just keep reinvesting it in. there are investments that you can make for the long term in this game. And thats amazing... so much to learn about entropia that most people dont even want to look into, they just see the surface level of it. And Nope Out. But it is still free to play and even that is a totally different way to play. Good video bro.
As long as you keep reinvesting you're also just describing a game with lots of extra steps and lots of extra expenses than just paying a sub and getting everything
Jauwns video was so much better on this game. I thought. But seems he included some stuff that wasn't true like you don't get xp from dungeons unless you do the most damage
@@arostwocents bro its not a job its a game. lol those people that do that free to play stuff they gotta do the work to get their money i just go and have a blast. because i happen to have a good amount of disposable income, and there are investments in the game that allow me to keep money in it that produce more money. thats not a job bro. all these tourest youtubers that make a video on entropia universe barely scratch the surface of the game. and people like you that watch them get a pretty interesting noob take from all of them. game is free to play but is a playground for those of us that just have money to burn, and alot of smart players can get some of that money if they know what they doing, and mindark always gets their cut as well. And Jhawns video was dogsnot.
Still haven't found an MMO with a better monetization model than OSRS. Just the fact that the two models don't mix, having separate free and members servers, is something pretty much unheard of and extremely appealing. The free version basically being an extended demo (with some skills, areas, quests, items etc. unavailable) that you can still spend months and months playing, maxing all the free skills and stuff before ever jumping into membership, which is possible to buy with in-game currency - another rare possibility, that I've personally only encountered in EVE online before, though I'm sure some others have at least that as well.
I remember seeing this game as "Project Entropia" way back when I was like 8 years old or whatever and I thought it looked like the coolest thing ever. Still have never played it but I'm thinking I have to at least give it a spin just to say I did. It's just there's really a lack of coverage on it and it's hard to determine if it's worth my time at all if videos like this didn't exist to see what this game is up to years and years later.
You gotta check out old ass forums for guides^^ But the game also features a mentoring system, which gives the mentor skill points for being good. That should be used aswell, and you will always find someone willing (be careful tho, pirates and assholes exist) But one tip, something he missed to mention in the video, if you wanna play "properly" (=not lose too much money), you will be grinding your skills the first several weeks. Those early quests gave skillpoints for a reason. Otherwise, if you have a plan (which you should have!), its perfectly possible to play it and have some fun for normal MMO subscription fees (10-30$ monthly)
@@MannIchFindKeinName Yes I've actually delved into it since this comment and did find a mentor but damn it's such a learning curb. It's easy for someone to just dump a bunch of info on you but realistically this game takes so much time to comprehend. I got a guy in my society that's been playing for about 2 months now and he's still figuring the whole thing out.
@@Aerophina I know, right. Its insane what you gotta know just to have some solo success in the starting areas :D I really enjoyed mining though, as it is a pretty chill activity, and for around 6 month (out of ~18 playing it) it got me to play for free :P But mostly, the game was a good demonstration of "what is possible" for me and i went on to other stuff :D
@@Aerophina You can play for a decade and still not know everything, just take your time and enjoy yourself. Rushing things will just lead you lose peds faster, as someone that played since 2004 I wished I played much slower and did less volatile stupid stuff. In the end just see it as entertainment that you spend a bit of money on every now and then is my advice.
So happy I get recommended this, loved both the video and your commentary. Especially that British humour at the start. Can't wait to check out your other MMO videos! ♡
Been playing it since 2000s. You go into the game to enjoy it and not worry about making money. Its a casino game basically. I spent 15-20 a month here and there and can get quite far and enjoy it. No different than paying sub fee in other MMOs. What you classify as fun i guess.
33:30 "The game's sole purpose is to get you to spend money" - Every single AAA game on the planet. Nice video though. Who'd you give Noh's ship in the end?
played this a bit back in the day, someone crafted an item that according to the game which announces these things to the whole server, that was worth (to the vendors) $130k. it was an item that had 3 shots before it was destroyed and gone forever. I said to my guild "i'd cash out and quit playing" my guild leader said "people would pay way more for that" to which I obviously said "that's stupid" and she kicked me from the guild lol
If this game was executed better, I think it could be a really fun idea and a really good business model. If someone makes a game like this again, one that can actually work as it was intended, I'd genuinely give it a try.
there are other MMOs with similarly (real money) expensive items. example: Tibia MMO which has 10 times more players than entropia and some players from poor countries play it as a job
Games today are present like,sand on a beach. In most cases those cheap games are or have a complete rip off version. Sometimes chappies sometimes better, but never a "good" game. Trash all over the beach. The real sand is deep
Hold up. You were stunk in your car for five minutes and never tried to press f? Like... the almost universal "get in and out of vehicle" button? Wild.
I started playing EU years ago when AUDs were created. I ended up spending over $10,000 USD on AUDs @ 50-60 PED each. I still have them to this day, and never actually played the game beyond the first area of the game really. I've made back about half of the investment since then, and if I sold all the AUDs, at last check I can get about 80 PED each from them, which would get close to trippling up my investment. But, it's important to note: *actually playing the game* was nothing I did.
Great video! If you ever have any questions about Entropia feel free to reach out! I’ve been playing for well over a decade now and might be some to shine some light on a few things 😊
You should play Graal Era. It’s an MMO I’ve been playing for years. Smaller but dedicated player base. They just released it on steam but it’s been a mobile/browser game for years
What's wild to me is the ONLY difference is that you can take the money out. People drop 1000s on games that you can't ever get the money back and no one bats an eye. But allow you to turn it back into USD and suddenly it's a huge issue
But they'd have to actually learn the game to get their money back. Heck, people can barely perform class roles in FF14 which is a very braindead mmo compared to most(every class has a set order to do skills in for the best outcome, and they are widely posted online).
If you can't get your money out, then you're knowingly converting real money to in-game items. If you can get money out, then some people will be hoping to get significantly more out than they put in, and it becomes gambling
@@explodethebomb That's not gambling. The site CLEARLY states how the system works. Also, it's not even hard to make money without spending it in EU. Sure it's extremely time consuming but it's possible. Otherwise, there are countless guides to help you spend the typical sub amount and make profit off it. Gambling does NOT allow such to occur. You learn to count cards? You get kicked out for cheating. Not on EU. Y'all just coping because you've dropped hundreds or even thousands on an MMO with zero potential for return.
Genuinely surprised you didn't have more subscribers While watching your video, I figured you had at least a couple hundred thousand, the video was very well done. Edited well and consistently entertaining. You definitely earned a subscription :) I'm glad I found your channel
this looks like one of those games that i would be tempted to play. Though i'd love to see them do some tweaks to some of the things like remove the lock-on and actually code a "dodge" system. And if you want to ram your vehicle into a monster you should be able to.
The only way you can play entropia universe without ever paying money is by doing long LONG hours of an activity called "milking", where you extra fluids from creatures and then sell those fluids on the market for a miniscule amount of PED (fractions of it). Literally 90% of your playtime will be spent standing in a milking circle just so you can cover the cost of your ammo for doing BASIC activities, because the scrap return doesn't outweigh your ammo expenditure.
Saying that entropia is less predatory than other modern MMO's is a pretty big stretch. Yes those games have cash shops, but all the stuff that you can spend your money on in it are almost entirely cosmetics that have no inherent value other than "this looks cool". You can grind for the majority of things in those games too, thats not unique to Entropia. For example in WoW if I want a flying mount I could go and grind up to the associated level, gather the gold, and purchase a flying mount from the associated npc. But lets say I'd rather get a cool mount. I could go grind for specific mount drops in a dungeon or gather gold and buy one of those mounts from the player market. This is the case for most MMO's.
1. The banner at the top that displays the globals/hofs from you and other players can be turned of in the UI settings. 2. Not knowing how to exit vehicle is definitely something that should be reached at the tutorial. It should also give warning ⚠️ that you won't be able to repair your vehicle if it gets destroyed otherwise they need to give a newbie repair tool and welding wire. The problem if they give too much free stuff they'd have to deal with hundreds of alts which would do all the free quests and then trade it to the main. Entropia has a small community but a very helpful one, generally especially helpful towards new players. There is a huge learning curve and it can feel overwhelming as a new player. My best advice is to buy the gold starter pack, it will give you armor and UL weapon with ammo. It will allow you to test out the game. Otherwise you can expect to have to sweat, an activity that is free, which gives you vibrant sweat from mobs that you can sell 1000 bottles for 1.5-2 ped. It can take you several hours to gather this much sweat. So I don't recommend it if you value your time. Entropia has a lot of potential to grow with the upcoming UE5 if they do it right.
I guess i'm jaded but its so strange to imagine finding a game not on steam or dog. But its probably important that no one has too much of a monopoly on game distribution
Sawman, I was way too harsh, I feel. I watched your whole video, and laughed heartily many times. You are already quite good at what you do. Like Wolverine!!! Good on ya! Keep having fun. P.S.: I had a sadness, when I realized, with a twinge that there will not be ongoing videos of 'Plobby.' Liked and Subscribed! As we Yanks sometimes say: You Go BOI!!! footnote* note to self: always watch the whole video, before speaking on it. All the Best to You and Yours Sawman!!! Bless
1. You can turn off pop ups by setting min limit to display at max value. Which will pop up very rarely. Or you can even drag it out of the screen if it really annoys you. 2. You missed a whole series of rookie quests that reward you with weapons, ammo and set of starting armor. And there is a chain like that for every planet (and you can do all of them). 3. Problem with EU is that: the game that completely relies on a games skill and knowledge (besides an expensive gear that everyone can just buy with cash), that people have been gathering for years, is always reviewed by noobs. And everyhing seems like a gamble to them, where experienced players can easily calculate the outcome. You aint competing vs the game for a profit. You competing vs other gamers, who put a lot of time and dedication into it. And you somehow trying to find success in few days /played.
All online games try to squeeze as much money out of us as they can. I am playing Starwars The Old Republic right now and the cash shop in here is the Cartel Market and that says it all lol. Oh and my point was you have to pick the one or ones you have the most fun in.
ESO has a shit-ton of houses that are ~200 CAD. Sure, you can get crowns at a 40% discount three times a year, but that's a lot of clams for a digital house in a jank MMO.
It is funny because that guy you died near first time was actually from a society that rescues people on calypso and other people for free also, a lot of people get stuck in the game
MA is very clrear by saying that its a 95% return of what you deposit. Meaning this is a game where you collect, hunt or craft to end up with less than you started with.
interestingly enough i can take that 95% return and craft with the loot and sell a finished product and make 20% off the 95% return. Making me profit. :D its an economy you make money off players by selling them things they can use or want. :DGame has to make money, And so do I. lol
This is where game knowledge is more important than game skill. If you learn about the game, you will know what and when to sell stuff and make up the 5% with no problem.
Also keep in mind the skills you gain while working on your profession. Those skills can help cover that 5% loss since you can sell skills to other players, including any mark up on items when selling to other players
I wish other MMO's would allow you to "Play to earn things". Usually I choose MMO's i intend to play for a very long time and if i could get this specific Elder Scrolls House or a cool outfit of Black Desert i would actually spend more time in it. The price tag you pay each month in most MMO's is just incredible if you wanna collect certain items which you know, not only cant you farm them, you might not see them for 4 years (ESO Housing)
Definitely more predatory than, say, SWG, which had basically all the same features (including player housing) without additional in-game purchases. Although attemping to 'scale' predatory practices is a bit of a lost cause. Slightly less or slightly more is kind of irrelevant.
Glad TH-cam algorithm randomly led me here, fun vid. With regards to the notification at the top of the screen, i've heard that some of them may not even be real, some of it's just setup by the devs to make it look like more people are winning than actually are to lure people in. Now i've never seen actual evidence of it, but it's certainly a tactic i can believe some of these companies use, i mean some of them have job postings for psychologists to monetize their game.
Back when I played, the game had some sort of mentor system. My mentor had to pick me up from Rocktropia, because I made the grave mistake of choosing that place as my starting planet. I even met Neverdie who gave me a bunch of gear, when I ran completely dry to the point of not being able to do anything. Anyway, when me and my mentor flew to Calypso, which was right across the space map, he shot down some space whale or something. It was a 250k drop that came out of it. 10 minutes after and roughly 5 minutes before we reached Calypso, some pirate shot us down and got that loot. Then I was just told to go to that particular spot, which was the largest sweat farm in the game. That's where I quit after several hours.
@@talaniel I mean, the whale even got my mentor onto the notification splash. I didn't realize at first what happened at all; he opened fire on something. What annoyed me most was not the loss of the loot, but that we were shot down rather easily so close to our destination.
Modern gamers just don't understand when old gamers like myself tell them that gaming used to be completely different. They don't understand that kindness went far beyond just being simply nice to someone. It was also about being selfless and going out of your way to help others succeed. Back then in online games you might be someone they could count on for grouping up with and why would you say no to that? Then you pay it forward and help one or two people like you were helped. I was reminded of that in Everquest 2 recently after a bit of toxic people in games. I message the person about mercs that I didn't see though i could waypoint to them. Turns out my account may have old and outdated data because they didn't see it at all. Well that turned into them giving me some crafted armor and the legend gave me 2m plat. They probably could make that in at least a day though it was nice to give me so much for nothing. All because I had a question about mercenaries. Gaming back then was definitely something different and special.
Many games have (had) ingame stuff that could be sold and bought for real money, mostly not deliberate at start though. Even buying whole leveled user accounts (along the used email address). There are other "games", look up Second Life. Is a high chance of being a kind of a pyramid scam if advertise to possible to earn money by playing a game. Alternatively either have to consume commercials, or your computer client can do some crypto mining or other calculations. Or do some support or sale towards the real world. Covering the costs for running servers and so on have to come from somewhere. Maybe a game where you play a hacker, where what you do are transferred to IRL actions?
Also just an fyi. I'm sure people are nice, but in dead mmo's such as this, or dying ones the high tier players often give away and help free players to entice them to keep playing as they need more people pumping money into the game. Its kinda like a dealer. First ones free. It even worked as you said in you video you dont' know how long you would have played if they hadn't helped you out.
-I like the stuck in the car. You can right click and select exit vehicle, there is also an exit vehicle command tab option. But I can assure you with 90% confidence that something is programed in Thule area that tries to force players into that dunce nonsense, and the more you know the more ridiculous it becomes. -What is interesting though about the whole gambling aspect is that they lie in their Videos a lot about how things work in the game. I talked to several MA employees in the first 5 years that I was playing the game and none of them knew anything about the game and would openly admit to it. More often than not, the Admins/Mods/Planet Partners were asking players what they knew about the game because they legit did not know. -But as the Gambling aspect goes, MA has a Casino License and identify that they are required to have it in order to operate the game, as noted on their website. Yet they still for some weird reason say that it is not gambling. -So we can't argue that it IS a gambling game, but idk how they get away with being able to say that it is not.Then in that video you noted, they illegally quote, Life is a Gamble, and I say that by how they explained it is the illegal form of explaining that quote as well as that they continue on with the gamble of gambling not being gambling, but I appreciate the so long as you don't make it into a gamble, aspect. Though this game is less of a Gamble than real life, I really am unappreciative and the complete disregard for the facts on their part and being so comfortable with standing over such a corruptive statement on their part, but as it is clearly noted, they stand on the border of things consistently and IDK if that is to give the player base more leeway or if they are just feel that entitled to their insecurities about social appropriation and that of which is that the game is safer than life itself. The game is still a great game and even with the spelling error, social recourse, and Ethical Economics intrusions it all still creates an amazing place to develop in the world while having fun at the same time.
I play EU for almost decade now and you can for sure make money. Been there, done that. But it´s really hard and tedious. It also requires some ammount of in-game knowledge. After all those years there is A LOT of content, it can be pretty overwhelming for begginers. But once you meet good group of people it will get much easier. Honestly this depth is what is keeping me going. Game is outdated, but concept is genious. There should be update to Unreal Engine 5 (actually second change of engine since start, used to be gamebryo, now it´s cryENGINE 2), we´ll see what we get 🙂
31:00 I'm pretty sure you could farm up to a token in WoW to then sell for (I think around 12$) as a Blizzard Balance which you can then spend on the game or even purchase/spend in other games inside Blizzards launcher. (Though, you would need a subscription to realistically farm up that amount of ingame cash to sell) So to an extent you would have still needed to pay to get any real money out, but just not have paid any extra.
Noh reminded me when i frist started Guild Wars 2. I wanted to make my character look like a Assassin from AC. Someone just walked up to me after i accidentally entered and was working on the winter event, and asked me what I was building my character as. Told them that i was going for a Cat version of Enzio... and they gifted me a bright white and red dye, and a dagger and pistol skin. I never saw them again but i wear it all constantly and love the fact that others notice it whenever i take them down in pvp
I don't think you SHOULD be able to make a profit on a game, and obviously to keep going more has to be paid in to keep it operating than goes out. So in principle I don't have a problem against it but it is down to the implementation and how good the actual game is to say whether it's worth playing. In general not a big MMO fan so for me I would not bother but it is an intriguing idea and definitely better than a lot of the ridiculous scams of 'rare' garbage like bananas that are played mainly by bots.
The only way i can see how a game can make you money by playing it is pretty much same as how poker platforms run tournaments. Everyone buys in, winner takes all and the house keeps a small percentage. You could totally have same approach in plenty of games that are multiplayer and the gameplay is split in matches. So any Counter-Strike, DOTA type kind of game is viable. And how you can play with fake money just for fun or to train on casino sites, you can have those games like they are now where people play each other for no money. But there are many potential issues with this hence why no one has made it. I mean, going back to the poker platforms, there are plenty of examples where it's shown where it's not really like it looks and is kind of rigged. Not to mention that where are money many will try to steal it, and hacking in games is going strong still and that type of incentive would make it even stronger.
As a long time player I would just say that there are some activities in the game that are on the gambley side, but there is skill involved too. Knowing where to hunt, knowing where good loot drops, knowing the best ways to sell it, knowing what dangers to avoid, most of the skill is really knowledge-based, it's not necessarily agility twitch skill.
That is also how gambling works. Certain games/machines pay out more and timing is everything. And just like gambling, you can only lose money slower or ‘cheat’ the system by learning how to exploit it. Regardless at the end of the day, the guy taking away the most cash is the house.
I loved being 15 and putting 30 bucks in from my parents and doubling my money. The game is actually pretty good ngl. Kinda like SWG. Sandbox for sure. You are limited by how much you can invest and you can lose it all. So yea. You can have a lot of fun playing for about 50 bucks a month, but it's gambling and you have to accept that. Do not gamble a lot of money, ever, small amounts, for fun, do not go over your limit. If you have a problem, don't play this game at all. You need to have the self control to not screw up your life to play this game. You are entering the doors of a casino. I agree the game isn't too predatory, it is mostly the individual's fault, not the games, that people lose money. If you notice, he is kinda having some fun here, and that is because the game IS interesting and I dont regret my 60 bucks or so on my acc is basically in forever purgatory until I make 100 and remove it some day if I ever return to the game lmao.
Put my life savings into Entropia in 2022 and purchased a piece of land called Khorum Coast. I ended up turning it into one of the most popular lands in the game and made a decent profit. Alas, I realized putting $18,000 into the game kept me from buying things like a house in real life.
@@Catachan_Diver i played for a bit i enjoyed it but i saw some ppl in game claim that ull end up spending $$, fak it then, wouldnt be a problem but i dont wanna pay to be able to shoot my gun or if it needed small sums to like sustain and say at least make it worthwhile where u are self made and dont need to keep dropping $$
Their employees tend to go to comment sections and whiteknight the horrible game. But they never disclose they work for MindArk. Personally I've seen one of the GMs on Massively. For whatever reason they still use same names. Not particularly smart.
Synchronized Swimmer Seeing Another Drown: Do we have to? I have a wife and kids!!!! Another Swimmer: *Face Slaps, and Grabs Shoulders and Shakes* "You know what we signed up for when we became Synchronized Swimmers!!! It was nice knowing you private.. See you on the otherside... *Confidently Starts Dancing as he Slowly Descends in the Water*
I played this when it was Project Entropia. Calypso was the only planet, and you had to sweat bees for money (sweat was a respurce used to make fuel for paionic implants). I put in $20 and burned through it in 2 days because i hunted and my gun broke too much. So i quit.
Back when I played entropia you had to farm sweat yo get started. Just siphon it off monsters while rich players stood by and watched. Waiting for buy your sweat for next to nothIng
I had a guild mate from Albion online that played this game, He said he could make money playing it and made a guide for it that he sold to people for $500. He offered it to me for free cuz I was mid thinking of trying new games but i turned it down. I felt like Id get scammed so idk Id rather just not.
I remember Entropia. I never played it, but was big news even outside of gaming in 2001-2002. I have no problems with the game. It is as advertised. Anyone who played the game knew this - this is why I didn't play the game 🤣
Thanks for watching, this is by far my longest video yet!!! Let me know in the comments below if you have another MMO suggestion for me
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You should probably learn how to use a microphone...
@@SucculentSpaz 420 videos later and your telling me this ?
@sawmanUK this is mildly amusing thread. Because both of you are correct
@@_.Leo_. I’ve had a few comments this video about it , but I don’t hear it 🥹 I’ve ordered a cheap mic to test though
This video is brand new so, we are clear. Did you really think it was cool to take shots at Yankees, considering the absolute state of your own country?
if entropia was actually viable to make money off you'd have thousands of venezuelans grinding that game instead of runescape
As a Venezuelan I'm ashamed that despite leaving the country long ago. I considered grinding this for beer money hehe
One has good bot detection and active mods. The other doesn't.
As the CEO of a company within the game I can tell you that it's one of those games where you also have to put money in if you want to be able to make money from it, if you don't have decent armour and decent guns with lots of ammo then you will not be making much money at all. My company so far has probably put in around £5000 to buy skill implants, guns and armour as well as a lot of ammo and we have more than earned that back and have used it to buy PC upgrades and things to make our real lives better.
@@alaina_plays_games if a noob would join the company, would he need to put $$ In?
@@Sol4rFl4r3 My company specifically is not hiring at the moment but usually for new employees we buy everything they need to get started and take them to a relatively safe location where they will definitely earn money, anything they earn is theirs to keep it doesn't go back to the company, the only people who pay back into the company are me and the other CEO
The press f to exit vehicle after saying you tried every key on your keyboard hurt me physically
Bro, I had to live it....
@@sawmanUK i thank you for your sacrifice
Its a clear skill-issue =)
Even more so when F is used on so many games as an interreact/action key lol
press F to pay respects
When I tried this game over 15 years ago, experienced players gathered up the new players, and forced us to fight to the death in a thunderdome, putting 1 knife or other basic weapon in an arena pit and whoever survived could keep the weapon. One of my fond old gaming memories, absolutely hilarious.
Nobody is going to talk about how wholesome Noh was to him? 😢
i was going to , what a great person
Yes, Noh is awesome :D
yeh when i saw that it reminded me of all those strangers that help me when i was playing lineage 2 in the past, god bless them, wherever they are.
We love Noh in this household
Shout out to Noh and every player like them, a lot of people's first onboarding experience is with these players being extremely generous when the newbie is just asking for something simple
Those first impressions of the community really are a positive boon for a multiplayer game's longevity
how'd you push every button and somehow miss F, one of the two most common keys for actions in games -.-
Also the same key he'd used to enter the vehicle just a few minutes earlier. Homie was thinking about the big score instead of pressing the F button again to see if you get out the same way you got in 🤣
maybe sawman a game journalist 😂
@@bminturn hang on, i right clicked then clicked enter vehicle
Trust me, im not hiding the fact im regarded
@@sawmanUK alright well it said click F to enter when you exited so I made an assumption. My bad.
I was gonna comment that "Super controversial real money economy MMO" sounds like every crypto game pitch ever, but then I saw the crypto purchase options and AI assistant and realized... It's not just "like" every crypto game ever, it was just ahead of the grifter's curve.
They were also ahead of the grifter's curve by actually having a game included in there somewhere.
I was thinking that it sounded like NFTs.
The idea of a game where you earn money for playing is enticing. The problem is that if it were what everyone thinks it is, everyone would do it and where would the money come from? In order for the game to be profitable, players have to put more money in than they take out. There have to be more losers than winners. I'm sure there's some guy who's been playing for free since launch, never put in a cent, and has made some money playing. But every cent he pulled out of the game came from somebody else putting it in without getting a return on that investment.
A big system he missed to explain, is where the money comes from :D
Basically its about some "life force" you can sap from the NPC wildlife. If you start the process, they will attack you and interrupt you. So you need a group and it takes time etc etc (this is where people pay monthly instead of doing the grinding themself, and then there are players that get expensive items to bet on hunting runs...)
Then plot owners need millions of those things. They need to invest it to have cooler stuff spawn on their property, and they can set a tax for loot collected on their land.
Amd one thing he didnt mention, its insanely "Skill"-heavy... You have to train those skills for months before you can do anything good or fast. You cant buy a good weapon, without high enough skill it will just suck. So even endlevel players are still busy pushing the limits
@@MannIchFindKeinName He did touch on the way the economy works, just not in detail. The game doesn't, and logically CAN'T work the way one assumes "play to earn" would. You can't create an account, log in, play, and extract money from the system without putting any in. It's designed not to work like that.
@@Aogami20 I played for quite a while without putting any money into it, its just the most boring grind ever.
It's so needed and so tedious to farm, old players regularly show up in newbie areas and buy it off of newer/poorer players.
You can make some 10-15 bucks a month grinding like that, and it takes ages to get to the pay-out limit like that.
And on basically every other activity you can lose money. Hell, even if you farm that life stuff, you will take damage, and healing equipment costs real money. If you dont wanna(/cant) buy that, you are left to stand around to do nothing constantly.
@@MannIchFindKeinName This is exactly my point. It's designed to make it theoretically possible, but practically impossible to take money out without putting any in. The no-money-in grind is so slow, boring and unprofitable you're better off getting an actual job. It is literally just unpaid labor because you'll never make enough to actually get paid out.
@@Aogami20 oh, jeah. I didnt bother too(ooo) much about it back then, as i was budgeting for 1 MMO subscrition/month; back when most MMOs were constant subscription (WoW) or absolute free-to-play trash, it was a nice inbetween
"apparently I'd crash landed in America" as an American, I approve this statement hahaha
Ive had a char in Entropia for almost 20 years now.
I deposited around 15k$, withdrawn around 20k, still have around 1k$ in there to play with. I owned beauty salon in there (where you pay for those locked avatar features), a store and even a taxed land area...
Basic gameplay is a slot machine. House will never pay out more then ppl have put in. Obviously.
You play against other players in order to earn money with razor thin margins. Just like real world.
Bottom line, you can play it on budget of 20$ / mo or 20000$ / mo, as those slots can cost 0.01$ per spin or 100$+ per spin. But community is the best there is. Mature and respectful. You can just hang out and chat, doing free stuff for several cents to play for free.
Oh yea. To be competitive in PVP youll need to buy around 20k$ worth of skills, around 15k$ worth of armor and healing tools and a gun with a pricetag of around 10k$. And youll still prolly be naild by veterans with same stuff but better knowlege of game mechanics, terrain and npc usage in pvp scenarios.
Played this game for a very long time ago as a kid, used to get up early before school to collect Barrels of Oil to later sell. Worked for a few people where I sold things for them and got a small payment for it. Good times
A sweater and a delivery boy. Wish that was viable still won't get ya rich but still not bad change
Hell yea! Those 10-15 ped oil drops back in the day
I have played MMOs... long, long time ago. Even when there was no money (real, in-game, or even experience) to be made, it used to be natural to help new players, because players are the life force of a game. Each noob you help is potential teammate down the line :)
Ah yes, skill based. The main word that separates it from gambling is dexterous. Meaning the odds are slightly more in favor to the clients. It's how "internet cafes" here in the states can have games like slots etc without being listed as a gambling business.
A skill based gamer would not approach something 30 levels higher than them and get into hitting range 😂
Well the game you gotta spend money to make money so people who are better probably just spent more nothing to do with skill just your broke just like a bunch of other people I’ve dropped 4k all together made around 40-50k stop whining and work
Is this tutorial new? 20~ years ago when I played, the "free-to-play" experience was gathering sweat. That's it. "Killing? Hahaha no. You'll never be able to afford that. Just collect sweat for 3 months then ask me again."
THIS, this was what I remember from this game, some vets taking us f2p newbs in sweating expeditions on some sort of helicopters, i think? earning less than a penny while the risk of death was high af, felt like a literal sweatshop
hunting is not that bad. You probably were fighting horrible mobs. You could treat it as a standard mmo and drop $15 a month and be just fine. You get around 90% return just vendoring loot and if you hunt the right things then it gets closer to 100% return (without selling your skill points)
@@CrippledFista game is about fun though not a return and why would you play a game that isn't fun just to try and get your money back? Sweating was literal sweatshop quality work not a game
@@arostwocents Well I had fun not having to sweat one single time. Well once for a quest. I was hunting bigger and better monsters and progressing. Like I said, I put in barely anything and had fun, same as someone who puts in $15 a month for Wow subscription. Except I have the option of selling everything including my skills and get some money back.
@@arostwocents i think its a cool concept, most games companies win while you're wasting both time and money so this instance at least gives you the chance of using that time for something thats gonna pay off in the long run
The minimum of $100 withdrawals is likely to avoid bank fees on small transactions - I've published some games on steam and switch, and they have the exact same policy, it's just not financially beneficial for them.
Mindark still takes a withdraw fee, minimum 10 USD, then 1% on the total. They also take a deposit fee of like 3.5% or something if u use a credit card, and probably more with other methods.
@@Ripcraze If you buy strongbox keys in the web shop, there is no fee, I think.
_"As the old saying goes... you can't polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter"_ Can't say I've heard that version before, but it earns an immediate 'like'! 🤣👍
_"At least we finally know the answer to the question - if a synchronised swimmer drowns, do they all drown?"_ _Aaaaand_ I'm probably going straight to hell for finding that unreasonably amusing, but that's definitely worth the subscription before I go... GG Mr Plobberton And GG Noh.👍
You can actually polish a turd. Look up dorodango, it's the art of polishing balls of dirt and dung to a mirror like finish. People actually buy them too.
Why the Japanese made turd polishing a business, I don't know, but they look pretty cool lol.
I guess the lesson is that with enough time and dedication, even a turd can be turned into something beautiful. Idk I'm not good at lessons.
@@TheMeatballMan420 I also knew a guy years ago..he got tired of the saying you can't polish a turd..so he did..I believe he made a bet out of it..he won..
I appreciate you making vids like this on lesser-known or dead MMOs like FFXI and Fallen Earth that will expose more people to them, for better or worse. Entropia looks like one I missed years back, and probably for the best.
The lag come from switching servers actually. The game is built on a large grid system with each square being it's on server instance or whatever. When flying to other planets in space you can actually use that to speed up the process. When you "lag" you know you've hopped to a new server cell and you can just suicide to pop up in the center of that cell at it's revive terminal. Doing that cuts interplanetary travel time in half lol. (don't do if you have droppable items though)
Everyone in entropia is super nice in my experience. I played it a LOT 15 years ago lmao. Roctropia was fun with a city, rock n roll, and demons lol.
I played this game three times, the first in the early days. Some years later i tried again and i witnessed the most kind and at the same time, the most crazy rage quit i saw. I was running to my sweat spot when a player with armor and weapons, tools and medical items said he was tired and gave me everything, worth more than 500 peds 😂
Hey I know Noh, they helped me when i joined the game, they are good folk. Alot of the people in EU are good folks. I have been playing it for years and managed to buy a apartment without spending any PED
The game is a grind but it's amazing to play with a good community
Thanks for not taking a poo on entropia. very Fair Video. And Thanks for using my video in your video :D haha I am in the camp where entropia is not gambling, Skills are the basics. the better some certain skills are the better your returns will be playing the game, but also having a good head to know when and what to do is important... Such as that Global ticker that goes off that seems like a bother.. That is a tool to know what areas are popping off, such as an event you might not know about when alot of people start seeing "Shared Loot" Globals going off, there is something somewhere going on. It goes quite Deep. And Knowledge in game helps lead you to profitable activitys if your skills are in the right place. Hinch why you get rewarded in skills for completing missions its alot bigger of a deal than you might think. There is so much i can cover but thats why i made my own youtube channel lol. Entropia is a Gem of a game And the community is wonderful for the most part. It isnt just about money it is also about the quility of people that play the game. And Sure you can spend alot of money playing, but thats why i love it, its not like the other MMO's out there where once my money is spent its gone. if i play entropia and i do good i can take money out of the game... but i just keep reinvesting it in. there are investments that you can make for the long term in this game. And thats amazing... so much to learn about entropia that most people dont even want to look into, they just see the surface level of it. And Nope Out. But it is still free to play and even that is a totally different way to play. Good video bro.
Lore stay quiet your the biggest EU loser right under your dad Stevie.
You're describing a job where you work for yourself not a recreational activity.
As long as you keep reinvesting you're also just describing a game with lots of extra steps and lots of extra expenses than just paying a sub and getting everything
Jauwns video was so much better on this game. I thought. But seems he included some stuff that wasn't true like you don't get xp from dungeons unless you do the most damage
@@arostwocents bro its not a job its a game. lol those people that do that free to play stuff they gotta do the work to get their money i just go and have a blast. because i happen to have a good amount of disposable income, and there are investments in the game that allow me to keep money in it that produce more money. thats not a job bro. all these tourest youtubers that make a video on entropia universe barely scratch the surface of the game. and people like you that watch them get a pretty interesting noob take from all of them. game is free to play but is a playground for those of us that just have money to burn, and alot of smart players can get some of that money if they know what they doing, and mindark always gets their cut as well. And Jhawns video was dogsnot.
Still haven't found an MMO with a better monetization model than OSRS. Just the fact that the two models don't mix, having separate free and members servers, is something pretty much unheard of and extremely appealing. The free version basically being an extended demo (with some skills, areas, quests, items etc. unavailable) that you can still spend months and months playing, maxing all the free skills and stuff before ever jumping into membership, which is possible to buy with in-game currency - another rare possibility, that I've personally only encountered in EVE online before, though I'm sure some others have at least that as well.
I remember seeing this game as "Project Entropia" way back when I was like 8 years old or whatever and I thought it looked like the coolest thing ever. Still have never played it but I'm thinking I have to at least give it a spin just to say I did. It's just there's really a lack of coverage on it and it's hard to determine if it's worth my time at all if videos like this didn't exist to see what this game is up to years and years later.
You gotta check out old ass forums for guides^^
But the game also features a mentoring system, which gives the mentor skill points for being good. That should be used aswell, and you will always find someone willing (be careful tho, pirates and assholes exist)
But one tip, something he missed to mention in the video, if you wanna play "properly" (=not lose too much money), you will be grinding your skills the first several weeks. Those early quests gave skillpoints for a reason.
Otherwise, if you have a plan (which you should have!), its perfectly possible to play it and have some fun for normal MMO subscription fees (10-30$ monthly)
@@MannIchFindKeinName Well said.
@@MannIchFindKeinName Yes I've actually delved into it since this comment and did find a mentor but damn it's such a learning curb. It's easy for someone to just dump a bunch of info on you but realistically this game takes so much time to comprehend. I got a guy in my society that's been playing for about 2 months now and he's still figuring the whole thing out.
@@Aerophina I know, right. Its insane what you gotta know just to have some solo success in the starting areas :D
I really enjoyed mining though, as it is a pretty chill activity, and for around 6 month (out of ~18 playing it) it got me to play for free :P
But mostly, the game was a good demonstration of "what is possible" for me and i went on to other stuff :D
@@Aerophina You can play for a decade and still not know everything, just take your time and enjoy yourself. Rushing things will just lead you lose peds faster, as someone that played since 2004 I wished I played much slower and did less volatile stupid stuff. In the end just see it as entertainment that you spend a bit of money on every now and then is my advice.
"Hopefully I'll see you in the next one"
Joke's on you, I'm going to watch your previous one now
So happy I get recommended this, loved both the video and your commentary. Especially that British humour at the start. Can't wait to check out your other MMO videos! ♡
Been playing it since 2000s. You go into the game to enjoy it and not worry about making money. Its a casino game basically.
I spent 15-20 a month here and there and can get quite far and enjoy it. No different than paying sub fee in other MMOs.
What you classify as fun i guess.
33:30 "The game's sole purpose is to get you to spend money" - Every single AAA game on the planet.
Nice video though. Who'd you give Noh's ship in the end?
played this a bit back in the day, someone crafted an item that according to the game which announces these things to the whole server, that was worth (to the vendors) $130k. it was an item that had 3 shots before it was destroyed and gone forever. I said to my guild "i'd cash out and quit playing" my guild leader said "people would pay way more for that" to which I obviously said "that's stupid" and she kicked me from the guild lol
If this game was executed better, I think it could be a really fun idea and a really good business model. If someone makes a game like this again, one that can actually work as it was intended, I'd genuinely give it a try.
there are other MMOs with similarly (real money) expensive items. example: Tibia MMO which has 10 times more players than entropia and some players from poor countries play it as a job
Games today are present like,sand on a beach. In most cases those cheap games are or have a complete rip off version. Sometimes chappies sometimes better, but never a "good" game.
Trash all over the beach. The real sand is deep
Hold up. You were stunk in your car for five minutes and never tried to press f? Like... the almost universal "get in and out of vehicle" button? Wild.
I started playing EU years ago when AUDs were created. I ended up spending over $10,000 USD on AUDs @ 50-60 PED each. I still have them to this day, and never actually played the game beyond the first area of the game really. I've made back about half of the investment since then, and if I sold all the AUDs, at last check I can get about 80 PED each from them, which would get close to trippling up my investment. But, it's important to note: *actually playing the game* was nothing I did.
That is how I make money in EU: own deeds :-) And waste them on activities like hunting and mining :-)
“Press F” Lmao how were you stuck in the car? 😂
I genuinly won't be surprised if Star Citizen takes this exact path in the future, they've already got the $20k ship bundle
Great video! If you ever have any questions about Entropia feel free to reach out! I’ve been playing for well over a decade now and might be some to shine some light on a few things 😊
It used to be funish, but you're not going to get rich off it. Even land owners barely make money. It's absolutely a casino.
You should play Graal Era. It’s an MMO I’ve been playing for years. Smaller but dedicated player base. They just released it on steam but it’s been a mobile/browser game for years
What's wild to me is the ONLY difference is that you can take the money out. People drop 1000s on games that you can't ever get the money back and no one bats an eye. But allow you to turn it back into USD and suddenly it's a huge issue
But they'd have to actually learn the game to get their money back. Heck, people can barely perform class roles in FF14 which is a very braindead mmo compared to most(every class has a set order to do skills in for the best outcome, and they are widely posted online).
those people are paying money to play games.
these people are playing a game to make money.
If you can't get your money out, then you're knowingly converting real money to in-game items. If you can get money out, then some people will be hoping to get significantly more out than they put in, and it becomes gambling
@@explodethebomb That's not gambling. The site CLEARLY states how the system works. Also, it's not even hard to make money without spending it in EU. Sure it's extremely time consuming but it's possible. Otherwise, there are countless guides to help you spend the typical sub amount and make profit off it.
Gambling does NOT allow such to occur. You learn to count cards? You get kicked out for cheating. Not on EU. Y'all just coping because you've dropped hundreds or even thousands on an MMO with zero potential for return.
@@explodethebombThat's... literally any form of investing as well though. I see zero problem with this.
Awe that part with Noh was really heartwarming
Glad Noh was able to help you :)
We need part 2.. can you try the diffrent events on the game? They are gonna have an Halloween event on ocktober.
Nah, events are just a mindless, expensive grind with a nice effect on deed dividens :-)
Wow, this is 20 years old? I'm surprised it's still being played. Also Noh is good people!
Genuinely surprised you didn't have more subscribers
While watching your video, I figured you had at least a couple hundred thousand, the video was very well done. Edited well and consistently entertaining.
You definitely earned a subscription :) I'm glad I found your channel
this looks like one of those games that i would be tempted to play. Though i'd love to see them do some tweaks to some of the things like remove the lock-on and actually code a "dodge" system. And if you want to ram your vehicle into a monster you should be able to.
used to be apart of NVE, it was fun ngl :D
Also the whole UI looks totally different than when i was playing lol
1&:40 That is so kind of them, I rarely ever get any positive interactions on MMOs.
The only way you can play entropia universe without ever paying money is by doing long LONG hours of an activity called "milking", where you extra fluids from creatures and then sell those fluids on the market for a miniscule amount of PED (fractions of it). Literally 90% of your playtime will be spent standing in a milking circle just so you can cover the cost of your ammo for doing BASIC activities, because the scrap return doesn't outweigh your ammo expenditure.
Saying that entropia is less predatory than other modern MMO's is a pretty big stretch.
Yes those games have cash shops, but all the stuff that you can spend your money on in it are almost entirely cosmetics that have no inherent value other than "this looks cool".
You can grind for the majority of things in those games too, thats not unique to Entropia.
For example in WoW if I want a flying mount I could go and grind up to the associated level, gather the gold, and purchase a flying mount from the associated npc. But lets say I'd rather get a cool mount. I could go grind for specific mount drops in a dungeon or gather gold and buy one of those mounts from the player market.
This is the case for most MMO's.
1. The banner at the top that displays the globals/hofs from you and other players can be turned of in the UI settings.
2. Not knowing how to exit vehicle is definitely something that should be reached at the tutorial. It should also give warning ⚠️ that you won't be able to repair your vehicle if it gets destroyed otherwise they need to give a newbie repair tool and welding wire.
The problem if they give too much free stuff they'd have to deal with hundreds of alts which would do all the free quests and then trade it to the main.
Entropia has a small community but a very helpful one, generally especially helpful towards new players.
There is a huge learning curve and it can feel overwhelming as a new player.
My best advice is to buy the gold starter pack, it will give you armor and UL weapon with ammo. It will allow you to test out the game. Otherwise you can expect to have to sweat, an activity that is free, which gives you vibrant sweat from mobs that you can sell 1000 bottles for 1.5-2 ped. It can take you several hours to gather this much sweat. So I don't recommend it if you value your time.
Entropia has a lot of potential to grow with the upcoming UE5 if they do it right.
I guess i'm jaded but its so strange to imagine finding a game not on steam or dog. But its probably important that no one has too much of a monopoly on game distribution
Sawman, I was way too harsh, I feel. I watched your whole video, and laughed heartily many times. You are already quite good at what you do. Like Wolverine!!! Good on ya! Keep having fun. P.S.: I had a sadness, when I realized, with a twinge that there will not be ongoing videos of 'Plobby.' Liked and Subscribed! As we Yanks sometimes say: You Go BOI!!! footnote* note to self: always watch the whole video, before speaking on it. All the Best to You and Yours Sawman!!! Bless
1. You can turn off pop ups by setting min limit to display at max value. Which will pop up very rarely. Or you can even drag it out of the screen if it really annoys you.
2. You missed a whole series of rookie quests that reward you with weapons, ammo and set of starting armor. And there is a chain like that for every planet (and you can do all of them).
3. Problem with EU is that: the game that completely relies on a games skill and knowledge (besides an expensive gear that everyone can just buy with cash), that people have been gathering for years, is always reviewed by noobs. And everyhing seems like a gamble to them, where experienced players can easily calculate the outcome. You aint competing vs the game for a profit. You competing vs other gamers, who put a lot of time and dedication into it. And you somehow trying to find success in few days /played.
Thank you for the sooth-bomb explaining how so many companies are trying to have their unregulated-online-casino and eat it too.
About the popups when someone hit "big". You can turn it off in option using filter "globals". Just in case :)
All online games try to squeeze as much money out of us as they can. I am playing Starwars The Old Republic right now and the cash shop in here is the Cartel Market and that says it all lol. Oh and my point was you have to pick the one or ones you have the most fun in.
ESO has a shit-ton of houses that are ~200 CAD. Sure, you can get crowns at a 40% discount three times a year, but that's a lot of clams for a digital house in a jank MMO.
It is funny because that guy you died near first time was actually from a society that rescues people on calypso and other people for free also, a lot of people get stuck in the game
And yeah social aspect of the game is just amazing, I love it
I remember trying this game at least 5 years ago, and quitting almost likely in the first 10 minutes because I couldn't leave the vehicle. Now I know.
MA is very clrear by saying that its a 95% return of what you deposit. Meaning this is a game where you collect, hunt or craft to end up with less than you started with.
interestingly enough i can take that 95% return and craft with the loot and sell a finished product and make 20% off the 95% return. Making me profit. :D its an economy you make money off players by selling them things they can use or want. :DGame has to make money, And so do I. lol
This is where game knowledge is more important than game skill. If you learn about the game, you will know what and when to sell stuff and make up the 5% with no problem.
Also keep in mind the skills you gain while working on your profession. Those skills can help cover that 5% loss since you can sell skills to other players, including any mark up on items when selling to other players
I wish other MMO's would allow you to "Play to earn things". Usually I choose MMO's i intend to play for a very long time and if i could get this specific Elder Scrolls House or a cool outfit of Black Desert i would actually spend more time in it. The price tag you pay each month in most MMO's is just incredible if you wanna collect certain items which you know, not only cant you farm them, you might not see them for 4 years (ESO Housing)
Definitely more predatory than, say, SWG, which had basically all the same features (including player housing) without additional in-game purchases.
Although attemping to 'scale' predatory practices is a bit of a lost cause. Slightly less or slightly more is kind of irrelevant.
cashout minimum is a normal business practice revolving around how a company must report such movement to govs, nothing dark and shady about it
Glad TH-cam algorithm randomly led me here, fun vid.
With regards to the notification at the top of the screen, i've heard that some of them may not even be real, some of it's just setup by the devs to make it look like more people are winning than actually are to lure people in.
Now i've never seen actual evidence of it, but it's certainly a tactic i can believe some of these companies use, i mean some of them have job postings for psychologists to monetize their game.
Hope NOH can see this video, on how Wholesome he/she is.
Wow...... A nice person in a video game...... suddenly I have faith in humanity again....
Back when I played, the game had some sort of mentor system. My mentor had to pick me up from Rocktropia, because I made the grave mistake of choosing that place as my starting planet. I even met Neverdie who gave me a bunch of gear, when I ran completely dry to the point of not being able to do anything. Anyway, when me and my mentor flew to Calypso, which was right across the space map, he shot down some space whale or something. It was a 250k drop that came out of it. 10 minutes after and roughly 5 minutes before we reached Calypso, some pirate shot us down and got that loot.
Then I was just told to go to that particular spot, which was the largest sweat farm in the game. That's where I quit after several hours.
The mentor system is still present in the game. Anyway, losing 250k to a pirate sucks :-)
@@talaniel I mean, the whale even got my mentor onto the notification splash. I didn't realize at first what happened at all; he opened fire on something. What annoyed me most was not the loss of the loot, but that we were shot down rather easily so close to our destination.
Modern gamers just don't understand when old gamers like myself tell them that gaming used to be completely different. They don't understand that kindness went far beyond just being simply nice to someone. It was also about being selfless and going out of your way to help others succeed. Back then in online games you might be someone they could count on for grouping up with and why would you say no to that? Then you pay it forward and help one or two people like you were helped. I was reminded of that in Everquest 2 recently after a bit of toxic people in games.
I message the person about mercs that I didn't see though i could waypoint to them. Turns out my account may have old and outdated data because they didn't see it at all. Well that turned into them giving me some crafted armor and the legend gave me 2m plat. They probably could make that in at least a day though it was nice to give me so much for nothing. All because I had a question about mercenaries. Gaming back then was definitely something different and special.
"I don't shine if you don't shine."
Many games have (had) ingame stuff that could be sold and bought for real money, mostly not deliberate at start though. Even buying whole leveled user accounts (along the used email address). There are other "games", look up Second Life. Is a high chance of being a kind of a pyramid scam if advertise to possible to earn money by playing a game. Alternatively either have to consume commercials, or your computer client can do some crypto mining or other calculations. Or do some support or sale towards the real world. Covering the costs for running servers and so on have to come from somewhere. Maybe a game where you play a hacker, where what you do are transferred to IRL actions?
Also just an fyi. I'm sure people are nice, but in dead mmo's such as this, or dying ones the high tier players often give away and help free players to entice them to keep playing as they need more people pumping money into the game. Its kinda like a dealer. First ones free. It even worked as you said in you video you dont' know how long you would have played if they hadn't helped you out.
-I like the stuck in the car. You can right click and select exit vehicle, there is also an exit vehicle command tab option. But I can assure you with 90% confidence that something is programed in Thule area that tries to force players into that dunce nonsense, and the more you know the more ridiculous it becomes.
-What is interesting though about the whole gambling aspect is that they lie in their Videos a lot about how things work in the game. I talked to several MA employees in the first 5 years that I was playing the game and none of them knew anything about the game and would openly admit to it. More often than not, the Admins/Mods/Planet Partners were asking players what they knew about the game because they legit did not know.
-But as the Gambling aspect goes, MA has a Casino License and identify that they are required to have it in order to operate the game, as noted on their website. Yet they still for some weird reason say that it is not gambling.
-So we can't argue that it IS a gambling game, but idk how they get away with being able to say that it is not.Then in that video you noted, they illegally quote, Life is a Gamble, and I say that by how they explained it is the illegal form of explaining that quote as well as that they continue on with the gamble of gambling not being gambling, but I appreciate the so long as you don't make it into a gamble, aspect. Though this game is less of a Gamble than real life, I really am unappreciative and the complete disregard for the facts on their part and being so comfortable with standing over such a corruptive statement on their part, but as it is clearly noted, they stand on the border of things consistently and IDK if that is to give the player base more leeway or if they are just feel that entitled to their insecurities about social appropriation and that of which is that the game is safer than life itself.
The game is still a great game and even with the spelling error, social recourse, and Ethical Economics intrusions it all still creates an amazing place to develop in the world while having fun at the same time.
"I pressed every button on the keyboard" it was the F key the whole time
I play EU for almost decade now and you can for sure make money. Been there, done that. But it´s really hard and tedious.
It also requires some ammount of in-game knowledge. After all those years there is A LOT of content, it can be pretty overwhelming for begginers. But once you meet good group of people it will get much easier. Honestly this depth is what is keeping me going.
Game is outdated, but concept is genious. There should be update to Unreal Engine 5 (actually second change of engine since start, used to be gamebryo, now it´s cryENGINE 2), we´ll see what we get 🙂
31:00 I'm pretty sure you could farm up to a token in WoW to then sell for (I think around 12$) as a Blizzard Balance which you can then spend on the game or even purchase/spend in other games inside Blizzards launcher.
(Though, you would need a subscription to realistically farm up that amount of ingame cash to sell) So to an extent you would have still needed to pay to get any real money out, but just not have paid any extra.
Noh reminded me when i frist started Guild Wars 2. I wanted to make my character look like a Assassin from AC. Someone just walked up to me after i accidentally entered and was working on the winter event, and asked me what I was building my character as. Told them that i was going for a Cat version of Enzio... and they gifted me a bright white and red dye, and a dagger and pistol skin. I never saw them again but i wear it all constantly and love the fact that others notice it whenever i take them down in pvp
At some point i started to watch every video you post, great content, gz from south america Chile
He had an oceanic accent and claimed gambling wasn't involved, literally impossible.
That’s so funny, I saw the title and just knew the video had to be about Entropia. I played for a few months several years ago.
I remember you years ago from eso i think xbox or pc maybe both those were good times glad to see you're doing well your videos were always funny
its skill based. the higher your skill the better the equipment you qualify to use and the beter the qualified equipment the better the efficency
I don't think you SHOULD be able to make a profit on a game, and obviously to keep going more has to be paid in to keep it operating than goes out. So in principle I don't have a problem against it but it is down to the implementation and how good the actual game is to say whether it's worth playing. In general not a big MMO fan so for me I would not bother but it is an intriguing idea and definitely better than a lot of the ridiculous scams of 'rare' garbage like bananas that are played mainly by bots.
The only way i can see how a game can make you money by playing it is pretty much same as how poker platforms run tournaments. Everyone buys in, winner takes all and the house keeps a small percentage. You could totally have same approach in plenty of games that are multiplayer and the gameplay is split in matches. So any Counter-Strike, DOTA type kind of game is viable. And how you can play with fake money just for fun or to train on casino sites, you can have those games like they are now where people play each other for no money.
But there are many potential issues with this hence why no one has made it. I mean, going back to the poker platforms, there are plenty of examples where it's shown where it's not really like it looks and is kind of rigged. Not to mention that where are money many will try to steal it, and hacking in games is going strong still and that type of incentive would make it even stronger.
My big takeaway: How much Star Wars Galaxies code exists running on the Entropia server? That player housing looked AWFULLY familiar...
They both released in 2003
Grats for taking off on YT with this one
As a long time player I would just say that there are some activities in the game that are on the gambley side, but there is skill involved too. Knowing where to hunt, knowing where good loot drops, knowing the best ways to sell it, knowing what dangers to avoid, most of the skill is really knowledge-based, it's not necessarily agility twitch skill.
So it's TFT, but with actual money?
You're part of the problem.
@@VenomGamingCenter What problem?
@@johnmoss4624 endorsing predatory games.
That is also how gambling works. Certain games/machines pay out more and timing is everything. And just like gambling, you can only lose money slower or ‘cheat’ the system by learning how to exploit it. Regardless at the end of the day, the guy taking away the most cash is the house.
LMAO before any hints were given based on the chat alone I was like "Project Entropia?"
I loved being 15 and putting 30 bucks in from my parents and doubling my money. The game is actually pretty good ngl. Kinda like SWG. Sandbox for sure. You are limited by how much you can invest and you can lose it all. So yea. You can have a lot of fun playing for about 50 bucks a month, but it's gambling and you have to accept that. Do not gamble a lot of money, ever, small amounts, for fun, do not go over your limit. If you have a problem, don't play this game at all. You need to have the self control to not screw up your life to play this game. You are entering the doors of a casino. I agree the game isn't too predatory, it is mostly the individual's fault, not the games, that people lose money. If you notice, he is kinda having some fun here, and that is because the game IS interesting and I dont regret my 60 bucks or so on my acc is basically in forever purgatory until I make 100 and remove it some day if I ever return to the game lmao.
F? Really? You didn't press F? You've been playing video games your whole life and you didn't think of pressing fucking F to exit the vehicle? Wtf?
hi, thank you for this well thought out message. I've played console games my whole life. Not PC Games.
@@sawmanUK oh behave mate you've been playing PC RPG's for years by the looks of it. Don't get salty, I was only taking the piss.
Put my life savings into Entropia in 2022 and purchased a piece of land called Khorum Coast. I ended up turning it into one of the most popular lands in the game and made a decent profit. Alas, I realized putting $18,000 into the game kept me from buying things like a house in real life.
did u make that back tho?
Profit implies recoup of your initial investment
@@Sol4rFl4r3 I tried this game around that same time and they don't allow you to convert game currency into real money anymore.
@@Catachan_Diver i played for a bit i enjoyed it but i saw some ppl in game claim that ull end up spending $$, fak it then, wouldnt be a problem but i dont wanna pay to be able to shoot my gun or if it needed small sums to like sustain and say at least make it worthwhile where u are self made and dont need to keep dropping $$
@@Catachan_Diver Don´t know where are you from but you still can withdraw, just russians can´t.
Brooo I remember finding this as a kid and no lifing it till I found WoW. Great vid, so much goes on you don't realise in primary school
Their employees tend to go to comment sections and whiteknight the horrible game. But they never disclose they work for MindArk.
Personally I've seen one of the GMs on Massively. For whatever reason they still use same names. Not particularly smart.
Props to the guy who was kind like that. Nice to see the human spirit endures in such places.
Synchronized Swimmer Seeing Another Drown: Do we have to? I have a wife and kids!!!!
Another Swimmer: *Face Slaps, and Grabs Shoulders and Shakes* "You know what we signed up for when we became Synchronized Swimmers!!! It was nice knowing you private.. See you on the otherside... *Confidently Starts Dancing as he Slowly Descends in the Water*
Your player character looks a bit like Nixxiom. Great video! Enjoying it.
I played this when it was Project Entropia. Calypso was the only planet, and you had to sweat bees for money (sweat was a respurce used to make fuel for paionic implants). I put in $20 and burned through it in 2 days because i hunted and my gun broke too much. So i quit.
Back when I played entropia you had to farm sweat yo get started. Just siphon it off monsters while rich players stood by and watched. Waiting for buy your sweat for next to nothIng
Love the humor my man - keep it up brother!
I had a guild mate from Albion online that played this game, He said he could make money playing it and made a guide for it that he sold to people for $500. He offered it to me for free cuz I was mid thinking of trying new games but i turned it down. I felt like Id get scammed so idk Id rather just not.
Noh seems like an absolute legend.
I remember Entropia. I never played it, but was big news even outside of gaming in 2001-2002. I have no problems with the game. It is as advertised. Anyone who played the game knew this - this is why I didn't play the game 🤣
Plobby looks exactly like my real world mate, also called Plobby, weirdly.
I'm Plobby
Plobby is in you walls
hmmm I heard "The Promise" as background music, I see someone played "Signalis". 😉