Audio-Technica LP-120 Phono Bypass Mod

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 เม.ย. 2019
  • I wanted to know if there really is anything to the phono mod on the LP-120. So I took a good long look at exactly what happens to the phono audio before and after the mod.
    Wow that was a much longer video than I had planned to make. But hopefully being thorough in my explination of the turntable will help make it clear why there is a problem and what exactly changes when you fix it. It would have been easy to avoid this problem if the switch had instead was used to control the input for connect the phono out to the DRV602 or the RCA out instead of switching the output. If you don't care about the lack of differential stereo output, it might be possible to modify the PCB to work that way instead.
    The final results of the comparison amount to:
    Stock phono out: Reduces volume above 3kHz
    Line out: Mostly fine, may have slight reduction in mid tones
    USB: Must be set to line or else has all the flaws of phono
    Modded phono: Perfect, because that's how it works.
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  • @vwestlife
    @vwestlife 5 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    FYI: only a felt platter mat is a "slipmat", because it is designed to slip on the platter to allow DJs to cue up records. The rubber platter mat you have grips the platter rather than slips on it, so it is not a slipmat.

    • @7John
      @7John 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That's like saying only a Kleenex is a Kleenex, and not any tissue, though many people say, "give me a Kleenex" when they want a tissue--any old tissue. My point is: people are in the habit of calling things by official names instead of the proper names, and there is no harm to it.Would you say that if someone doesn't call it a rubber mat instead of a slip mat that their enjoyment of playing a record is less?You may be thinking you're educating him, but it comes across as "I have a vinyl channel so I know it all". Better to pick your battles and not count every angel on the head of a pin, and let people call things as they wish--or you may find that there are less channels about vinyl, and is that what you want???

    • @ThriftyAV
      @ThriftyAV 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      More like Kleenex and Toilet Paper, as they serve different purposes. Maybe to you this comes across as "know-it-all" but to at least 29 folks (and counting) who thumbed up VW's comment, this distinction is worth noting.

    • @7John
      @7John 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      ThriftyAV So is mine-and I don’t have to have 29 people to agree with me to know I’m right.

    • @dreyn7780
      @dreyn7780 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@7John you've been reported for bullying and harrasment, john.
      This isn't 1980. You're not allowed to attack people anymore.

    • @denizenofclownworld4853
      @denizenofclownworld4853 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@7John "I'm allowed to be stupid because lots of other people are also stupid." - You

  • @boxman139
    @boxman139 5 ปีที่แล้ว +30

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    • @markm0000
      @markm0000 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      boxman139 t h i s

    • @onometre
      @onometre 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      what about when doug demuro says this

    • @markm0000
      @markm0000 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      onometre It’s not the same. Zero emphasis and goes right into the topic. Doug is known for your gf’s “quirks and features”.

    • @ewigerschuler3982
      @ewigerschuler3982 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      In the world? You must be exaggerating.

    • @boxman139
      @boxman139 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ewiger Schüler no cap

  • @JessicaFEREM
    @JessicaFEREM 5 ปีที่แล้ว +98

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    You said the title of the album without being claimed by UMG, even more impressive.

    • @eduardoavila646
      @eduardoavila646 5 ปีที่แล้ว

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    • @LaskyLabs
      @LaskyLabs 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      UMG... More like... Unwelcome Money Grabbers!

    • @moth.monster
      @moth.monster 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He showed the album without being claimed!

    • @sks2002
      @sks2002 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The prodigy are under BMG and they are well known for blocking videos worldwide.

  • @lucasbrown1610
    @lucasbrown1610 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I love how every time you introduce another object, You would start with a deep "ThiS" 100/100

  • @hanro50
    @hanro50 5 ปีที่แล้ว +39

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    • @eduardoavila646
      @eduardoavila646 5 ปีที่แล้ว

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    • @poiuytrewq4645
      @poiuytrewq4645 5 ปีที่แล้ว

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    • @eduardoavila646
      @eduardoavila646 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@poiuytrewq4645 But i dont think valve actually ships a vinyl and i doubt even more that they ship internationally

    • @poiuytrewq4645
      @poiuytrewq4645 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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    • @hanro50
      @hanro50 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      www.amazon.com/Fight-Songs-Music-Team-Fortress/dp/B01N6TFP8R
      Found it and it delivers internationally. I'm not in the US...

  • @TechTangents
    @TechTangents  5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    If you don't want to sit through 35m of record player dissection(and I don't really blame you) you can skip to 19:30 for how I recommend modding the turntable to avoid some little problems and 24:57 to get to the meat of comparison.
    There are 1500ft of grooves on each _side_ of a record. Not per-record, oops.

    • @TristanSpeno
      @TristanSpeno 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      AkBKukU I just got the notification how did you comment 1 hour ago?

    • @maltoNitho
      @maltoNitho 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Tristan Speno He commented when the video was still unlisted and you received the notification when it was made public.

    • @CallanChristensen
      @CallanChristensen 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TristanSpeno It was a Patreon pre-release viewer correction while it was still unlisted.

    • @TristanSpeno
      @TristanSpeno 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh ok 👍

    • @LucIndustries
      @LucIndustries 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just skipping to the mod was my initial plan and I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for your soothing way of talking. I ended up watching the whole thing and subscribing. Damn you akbkuku

  • @LaskyLabs
    @LaskyLabs 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    *When the cable is permanently attached to something.*
    "Now I have no choice but to use the box! Not only that, but at the end of this, one of the little pitchforks is chewed off. That means I have no way of replacing the box! You think that makes me happy?! *IT DOESN'T* "

    • @howl3098
      @howl3098 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This avgn reference made me laugh too much.

    • @LaskyLabs
      @LaskyLabs 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That was my goal. :3

    • @panda-goat
      @panda-goat 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Classic 😁

  • @djdjukic
    @djdjukic 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Huh, I thought it was going to be a really subtle thing, but it wasn't, not only could you tell by the cymbals but the entire high frequency range is subdued. It's like they intentionally added a low-pass filter to the phono out. Interesting, and good mod!

    • @draketungsten74
      @draketungsten74 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It is really subtle if you can't hear anything above 12kHz. :)

    • @alanorange9376
      @alanorange9376 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think they did it so people would go buy their higher end cartridges.

  • @Madness832
    @Madness832 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Your other cartridge appears to be an AT95E. Quite (IMO) a good performer that deserves a listen.

  • @philip6502
    @philip6502 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely the best explanation of the phono line I have seen/heard. I just bought the Bluetooth version last month.
    Thanks for your info.

  • @m.9243
    @m.9243 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have done the exact same mod on my LP120, however..
    ..I bought high quality proper RCA sockets with lags at the back so, I could solder directly the internal cable on to them and thus, eliminate another
    unnecessary connection in the signal path and...
    ..just a suggestion for anyone that will try doing this, please take the platter off before you turn the table upside down on its lid.
    If you don't there's a real possibility it may come of the main bearing and fall on the acrylic screen damaging it.
    Paranoid?.. better safe than sorry!
    Excellent video and very helpful with all the graphics. Thanks!

  • @robertlandrum1971
    @robertlandrum1971 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    1 mile = 5,280 feet
    1 LP = 1,500 feet
    1 mile = 3.5 LPs

    • @mike73ng
      @mike73ng 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Robert Landrum Correct. It always bothers me when someone goes to all the effort to make a video supposedly espousing knowledge but then screws up such a simple statement. Kind of makes one think about the validity of subsequent statements.

    • @MARTIN201199
      @MARTIN201199 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Today I walked like 1.5 LPs to school

  • @d.logic1
    @d.logic1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great video! A couple of years ago, the channel Vinyl TV did the bypass and he was able to use his own personal recording to show the differences in the high range frequency. It's very noticeable. In the end, I think it's best to bypass the preamp altogether and just use an external amp.
    As for the platter, it probably has the belt rim on it because it's used on a different model. Just a cost saving measure.
    I used to have the Shure M97xE and it's a great cartridge and excellent for archiving. After having it for a few years, I was able to tell when the stylist was going out. I now use the Ortofon 2M Red cartridge but I do miss the brush on the M97xE.

    • @manFromPeterborough
      @manFromPeterborough 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I removed the 4 parts Craig pointed out, that means I still have USB without degraded treble, but I still get buzz, ground wire hasn't fixed it (only works on mains grounded power amps) Hopefully a thicker audio lead might help, if it doesn't I might have to remove the USB to reduce signal path and it is too close for comfort in regard to the fig8 mains jack

  • @iamdavidray
    @iamdavidray 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I bought this turntable in 2010 and this video gave me the courage to try this mod today! Thank you!

  • @djbryanladd
    @djbryanladd 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic video. I really enjoyed this.

  • @robertorodriguez2609
    @robertorodriguez2609 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    there's something i don't get: doesn't the line out signal come from the built-in phono preamp? and doesn't the phono out signal need to go into an external phono preamp?

  • @mikes266
    @mikes266 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good stuff as always!

  • @maltoNitho
    @maltoNitho 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    25:05 had me rolling. Those headphones and that pose. 🤣

  • @Arcturian1111
    @Arcturian1111 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there a physical switch to shut off the preamp on the ATLP120 if I'm using an older Reciever with phono inputs.

  • @Trekkie4
    @Trekkie4 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yes, I realize that the video was made long before LP120X and 140XP were introduced, but if you want clean signal just go for one of the two newer models. I recommend 140XP, as it doesn't have preamp or USB like the 120X does. That being said, the newer model no longer have these issues, so if you're on budget, go for 120X.

  • @sagadiablo
    @sagadiablo 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh my god, sudden unexpected Akbkuku face cam. Kinda startled me. :D

  • @bidensapedoooo
    @bidensapedoooo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for this video I just did this following your quick guide I had to slow down some parts just to make sure I was wiring it correctly now it sounds so much better!

  • @OGSERB
    @OGSERB 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was awesome. I have a 120 I don’t use anymore I wouldn’t mind trying this with

  • @nostromo218
    @nostromo218 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The ground wire you added. What did you connect that to inside? (or from I guess) to hook to the receiver. I got a pair of 80's Sharps, an RP-113 and RP-119 and neither one has it. I though it was odd, but it didn't look like it was missing so i didn't read into it. Forgive me if it is foolish to ask, but is it worth it to add it back in?

  • @appliedengineering4001
    @appliedengineering4001 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    To answer your question @ 19:00 in the video. Those ancillary components around the op-amp are there because phono pre-amps need to apply the RIAA curve to the signal before it can be amplified to line level. Without that RIAA curve applied. You will get very loud treble and next to no bass.

  • @g2skinny
    @g2skinny 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Enjoyed the video dude

  • @xaenon
    @xaenon 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am curious about something. If you're bypassing the preamplifier board, would it not be better to simply take the signal straight off the tone arm? What is the purpose of the other circuit board with regard to the audio signal?

  • @erwindewit4073
    @erwindewit4073 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool! Thorough, informative and pretty deep.. I like it.. And supported by really doing the comparisons the proper way! The non modified version of the line out was surprisingly close to the modified one.. And Hanpin also makes belt drive turntables, so being able to reuse the platter saves money 😀 I am still curious what that thing sounds like. I use a vintage turntable (rebuilt Thorens TD-124) which is basically all mechanical and electrical. No pitch control, no voltage regulation regarding speed, just very nice build quality and a great strobe.. But does it really sound better? And, more to the point, measure better? I wonder..

  • @generatorlabs
    @generatorlabs 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think most of the supporting components surrounding the TI chip are there for RIAA equalization, which is kind of mandatory if you want a pleasant response curve from commercially recorded records. Your Pioneer receiver should have a similar equalization circuit internally. The quality/design of this circuit is one of many reasons why one phono stage sounds different from the rest.

  • @msthalamus2172
    @msthalamus2172 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's the brand and name of the soft vinyl mat you're using? I may want to try it out. I had the exact static-sticking-the-record-to-the-mat problem you're describing, only with a (very well reviewed) rubber mat I'd tried. I've had better luck with the felt mat that came with my turntable, but it's still problematic. Battling static is the primary thing that keeps me streaming FLAC instead of playing vinyl records, unless I have a ton of free time to try to de-static everything. I seldom have the time anymore.

  • @MarkyShaw
    @MarkyShaw 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Man I'm a huge fan of the LP-120s. Good guy on TH-cam, Vinyl Eyez convinced me on that one! Especially with a nice cartridge! I love those Shures. Seems like you can never go wrong with their brand. Sweet mod too, man. Really sounds fantastic. Curious on what your favorite records to jam on that thing might be?

    • @dreyn7780
      @dreyn7780 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wrong.
      You can't even tell if it was a tuning or a detuning.
      Joe Satriani, surfing with the alien, latest version without joe's solos

  • @alynicholls3230
    @alynicholls3230 ปีที่แล้ว

    your spot on about components, some EE's love passive components a little too much, I've seen allsorts of added passives to FM reciever ic's that just dont need them, just to name one instance.

  • @thepthepthep
    @thepthepthep 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @14:00 The reason why there's holes in the platter for changing the belt is because the LP-120 is actually made by a Taiwanese OEM named Hanpin, and they make a variation of it which uses a belt drive mech as opposed to direct drive.

  • @jeffstockton534
    @jeffstockton534 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Loved this. Excellent work, and very helpful and informative.

  • @rezR2
    @rezR2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    can i just disconnect the power wire to the pre amp and it make a difference?

  • @codebeat4192
    @codebeat4192 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Separated phono grounds doesn't make any sense because at the amp they are tied together. You can test this with a RCA cable connected to the amp and use a multimeter between left and right ground. Shielding is not a ground and should not tied to ground. The shielding inside the turntable (at the output of the tone arm) acts like a faraday cage (take a look at the waving of shield) to block interference from the outside. It is okay to connect shielding to shielding however never connect it to ground.

  • @eugene4817
    @eugene4817 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My TT seems to randomly turn preamp off/on when signal is close to none, e.g. it sometimes cuts off in between LP tracks. Also evident when motor is stopped, I drop stylus on a disk and listen - some very faint static and then off/on. First noticed it when was recording to tape while monitoring with headphones.
    Anti skate somewhat works thou, with same cart - Shure 97x set with VTF to 1.25 I found anti skate needs to be around 4.25.
    Will have to open it up and delete preamp. Thinking of getting Shiit Mani now...

  • @Tedsville
    @Tedsville 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have an atlpw50pb which has an issue where both the pre-amped and phono outputs sound awful and I've found exactly one other person on the internet that has this same issue with the same TT. I'm going to give this mod a go before I try getting a new TT - thanks so much for the detailed video :)

  • @markm0000
    @markm0000 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is awesome! Great research and results.
    Only difference I would have made is a usb port to power the external preamp for one less power brick.

    • @dreyn7780
      @dreyn7780 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wrong.

    • @markm0000
      @markm0000 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dreyn7780 Go outside and touch grass.

  • @daviddavidsonn3578
    @daviddavidsonn3578 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    31:00 these are keystone jack RCA, you can put them in a wallplate or in a keystone patch panel. Just like RJ45 keystone.

  • @Ephiestis
    @Ephiestis 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    As soon as you pulled out that banjo-kazooie record out, The jealousy was intense, and immediate. I envy you, good sir! Where did you manage to get ahold of that?

  • @Stelios.Posantzis
    @Stelios.Posantzis 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you're after a clear vinyl mat you can cut obtain some transparent vinyl table cover sheet. You can probably obtain these in shops that sell kitchen utensils, housewares etc. The sheets come in various thicknesses so choose what you think will suit you best. You'll need to cut a few disks out of it and stack them on top of one another. Word to the wise: vinyl sheets tend to stick together very well and the the layered mat produced this way will actually be quite hard. I do not advise using this on top of any felt mat due to the dissimilar sound propagation and rigidity properties of the two materials.

  • @brucetowell3432
    @brucetowell3432 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for posting, I know this was 4 years ago, and do not know if you are answering questions still? But did you change your stylus/cartridge as well when making the updated modifications by removing the stock pre-amp inside? And what size speakers are you using now with this LP 120? thanks in advance

  • @seansweeney3532
    @seansweeney3532 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yea. I was really curious about how you would deal with this comparison. Considering the RIAA EQ curve. I kind of feel less informed than when I started watching. My AT turntable has a noticeable hum... not sure if it is the pre inside or wiring... sigh

  • @bryanladdproductions6184
    @bryanladdproductions6184 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're remarkable dude.

  • @bulletz4life
    @bulletz4life 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m using an acrylic mat on top of a thick rubber mat on this turntable, and I compared the results of both the rubber and acrylic. Surprisingly, the bass response is considerably better on the acrylic. Just thought I’d share.

  • @elliotthewitt7464
    @elliotthewitt7464 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Prodigy 12" single was very unexpected. Nice taste in music.

  • @carlosmarrasca
    @carlosmarrasca 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video

  • @terrymoore711
    @terrymoore711 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would it be possible to send my atlp120usb for mod

  • @joshdeleon4078
    @joshdeleon4078 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks so much for the informative video, I just did the same process to my lp120 but i'm having trouble getting a signal out of the left channel. I wired everything according to your video and removed the jumper smd. the strange thing is when i unplug the right channel rca slightly(the sleeve is no longer making contact) i'll get a signal through the left speaker. i'm guessing its a grounding issue but i can't seem to figure out whats happening. thanks again!

  • @wishusknight3009
    @wishusknight3009 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    That is a beautiful pioneer! I use an SX750 which is much the same but an earlier model it seems. Mine lacks the power meters, and my tape monitor selection is a single 3 position switch. Your connectors on the back are also virticle, mine sit on a ledge which makes them all face upwards. And that has always been a weak point of mine... But the sound... OMG the sound is great! Plenty of power too! I think they are rated 50 watts per channel.

  • @steveskipper6473
    @steveskipper6473 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I own a newer Audio Technica AT-LP5 deck and if I turn the mains power off I still get phono output (I hear audio by physically turning the turntable) so it would appear Audio Technica have isolated the phono and line level on their newer decks. Is that correct?

    • @TechTangents
      @TechTangents  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      On the LP-120 the stock phono out is directly connected to the output through the switch, but it isn't isolated. So you can move the platter when it's off to get sound, but it's still being affected by the circuit.
      Looking at this video: th-cam.com/video/IWp7ZDl-iDc/w-d-xo.html
      Yours is a different pre-amp board, and I can see they've added a ground connector. But it looks like it's using all the same components. It may just be a new layout of the same schematic with different connectors. Without being able to see both sides it's hard to say. The easiest test would probably be to listen for the dip in volume if you turn it off while it is playing over phono. Or record something over USB and compare the spectrograms between phono and line to see if there is less noise and a high frequency reduction.

    • @manFromPeterborough
      @manFromPeterborough 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TechTangents I would use a short cable to connect the RCA jacks to tonearm wires, that cheap 3 ft cord will add too much capacitance to the final load since another yard of cable is connected, you should have gone to electronics hobby shop instead of hardware store that don't carry solderable RCA jacks

  • @eformance
    @eformance 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Since you are running differential signals to the receiver, what's the point of having an external ground?

    • @TechTangents
      @TechTangents  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's a good question, I hadn't considered it. I'm going to guess the chassis ends up with a slight 60Hz buzz and the long parallel metal of the tone arm can affect it via induction. Grounding the turntable to the receiver matches the grounds so the buzz is the same on both and then not going to be amplified.

  • @guycrew728
    @guycrew728 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Lol. I love that bug hunt shirt.

  • @PileOfEmptyTapes
    @PileOfEmptyTapes 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If your AT-LP120 is a slightly older one, you may want to order the replacement antiskating spring as well, unless that's already been done. The original stock one was found to be too weak, to the point where there effectively wasn't much of any antiskating going on at all. This was only fixed in production units quite recently.
    Some people are not exactly fond of the tonearm bearings on this and other Hanpin OEM 'tables either (too much slack and friction), but it is what it is.

    • @manFromPeterborough
      @manFromPeterborough 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can easily adjust the gimbal bearings, if it's slack, tighten it till there is no play

  • @RonFerlman
    @RonFerlman ปีที่แล้ว

    so what you're saying is vinyl records aren't 100% lossless unless this mod is done? at least where this turn table is concerned?

  • @alexmorales1124
    @alexmorales1124 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I just take out the old ground wires?

  • @ktriebler
    @ktriebler 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video, dude. Don't known if it's been mentioned here before (won't go through 193 comments), but: what you forgot is to test the USB port after modding the preamp. Does it still show different results with either setting of the line-in/phono switch?

  • @DetroitDan2
    @DetroitDan2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    At the beginning you said there was no ground terminal. I have one and it does have a ground?
    Also, my skills are not great but can follow your instructions. Should I just try using the Turntables preamp? I have a modern Pioneer Elite VSX-LX304 and LP-120 USB.

    • @JoeOrber
      @JoeOrber 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've been using mine with the internal turntable Preamp and it sounds great. Also, if yo do this mod you'll loose the USB output and need an external ADC if you want to digitize a record

  • @ralphdaub
    @ralphdaub 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What was attached at 23:45?
    I did this mod and I'm getting humming with my Cambridge 551p preamp.
    For the ground, I just attached spades to the springy thing where other ground spades were attached.
    Thinking whether I should attach a thick ground cable directly to the braided ground.

    • @unpluggedlamp
      @unpluggedlamp 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Did that work? I also did this mod on a PL-120 (non usb) and am getting a hum when the volume is cranked. Is that normal? Music sounds great but knowing that hum is there is killing me

    • @ralphdaub
      @ralphdaub 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@unpluggedlamp thicker ground cables didn't solve it, but I think it helped a bit.
      I ended up trying to re-wire things, then went overboard and tried to rewire the whole tonearm... broke it in the process. Now I'm waiting for a replacement. 😅

  • @1991Drumkiller
    @1991Drumkiller 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi there! I did this mod, exactly the way you did it, and I am getting a bad hum, I'm assuming from not a good ground connection? When the ground is not connected, the hum is much much worse than when it is. But it is still present. Is there anyway to getting around this?

    • @1991Drumkiller
      @1991Drumkiller 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Update... I remembered something that I did when I was inside the record player, and a little light bulb went off in my brain. I removed the ground wire that takes the shielding ground to the spring. Opened it up, soldered it back, and no more buzz.

  • @SJRC
    @SJRC 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i love your slipmat of weird al yankovic :)

  • @dawidczajkowski2442
    @dawidczajkowski2442 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This graphic equalizer is gorgeous! Could you please write what model it is?

  • @steviedoes2421
    @steviedoes2421 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why don't you make a clear cover fog your butter rug?

  • @bikerdave1274
    @bikerdave1274 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Instantly thought of Abom79 while watching the turntable wobble. Might be worth giving him a shout as it could be an interesting project turning a a turntable that would run perfectly 🤔😁

  • @SilverGreen93
    @SilverGreen93 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you add in the description the link to the wav/flac files recorded from the other Vinyl to compare for myself the differences?

    • @TechTangents
      @TechTangents  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can't legally distribute full recordings of the music I used so I'm afraid I can't do that. Using it for demonstration purposes falls under fair use, that's the only reason I used "real" music at all.

  • @firstphoton655
    @firstphoton655 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I did the mod just like you. But i get bad ground and when i plug it in. It turns on.... dam i messed up bad not sure how i messed it up

  • @treperrys
    @treperrys 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    at 16:30 you point out the jumpers that connect the signal from the cartridge to the phone preamp. Couldn't one just remove those jumpers? Also, you mentioned the power connector. I am wondering if the signal degradation would be minimized if the power to the phono pre was disconnected? I wouldn't think so. I believe the problem is that the cartridge is being loaded with the internal phono pre and the external phono pre at the same time. That is not a good thing.

  • @arupnath3477
    @arupnath3477 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great ..Turntable 💕👍

  • @paulstubbs7678
    @paulstubbs7678 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Most turntables come with attached RCA phono out leads, as phono cartridges are designed to have a certain 'cable' load (mainly capacitance). Using a fixed lead means this should not really change, whereas if they used RCA sockets, then any cable could be used, changing the loading. Doing as you have means you have the stock cable along with your added cable meaning (in theory) high end loss, the very point of your mod project....
    The preamp IC on your turntables board has a lot of extra components, as you found, above and beyond what is in the IC's data sheet, these will be for the RIAA equalization curve. Phono pre-amps are NOT a flat response beast, hence extra components.
    I'd be more inclined to have the stock RCA lead hanging out for normal direct cartridge output, BUT connect those new RCA sockets you fitted to the internal preamp board. This way should you want to use the preamp/line-out/USB socket, then you just plug the phono RCA lead into the new sockets to feed it back to the internal preamp circuit board.

  • @tfgward7889
    @tfgward7889 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder where you store all your awesome stuff

  • @efenditube
    @efenditube 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you !

  • @Andrew-eh1bj
    @Andrew-eh1bj 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man I`ll tell you.The ground is the same troughout youre hole sistem.It`s continuity between all your rca grounds behind the amplifier.Even the ground cable for phono(behind the amplifier) is connected.Separating the rca grounds is useless because in the amplifier they will be connected to a single point.Another thing is the self grounding of a turntable.you can easily connect the ground of the cartridge to the spring inside the lp120 by internal wire.The sound is not affected and there will be a cable less. Other than that great video! keep up good work buddy!

  • @djbryanladd
    @djbryanladd 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    How is the anti skate?

  • @xaenon
    @xaenon 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Apparently there was a belt-drive version of this turntable. With the bottom off, you can see an artifact of where the small DC motor would have been mounted.

  • @XtremeKremaTor
    @XtremeKremaTor 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There must be a capacitor in the path of the sound when you flip the switch that affect the sound this way

    • @xaenon
      @xaenon 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      A capacitor and an inductor, actually.

  • @MacXpert74
    @MacXpert74 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting video. One little issue with the comparison is that the left and right channel were swapped on the first line and phono recording compared to the USB and later phono recording. Direct comparison therefore isn't really possible from the video because the sound changes when left and right gets swapped between the samples.

  • @frederickwilliams2183
    @frederickwilliams2183 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    To hear the Cymbals at 28:28, I used apple earbuds plugged into my laptop, changed settings to 1080. Minor sound, but definitely there. Difference not that dramatic, but noteworthy.. . Probably wouldn't have noticed unless pointed out. Using only Acer's monitor speakers, I could not tell.

  • @karimdailyjazz
    @karimdailyjazz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi friend how much this turntable thanks

  • @blitzjon
    @blitzjon 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well done video. I have a newer LP120 and the guts are slightly different now. I'm curious if the coloration still exists. I opened mine intending to mod, noticed it was different, and closed it back up for a later day. Also, the newer ones no longer have hardwired cables.

  • @ThriftyAV
    @ThriftyAV 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's too bad that Shure got out of the phono cartridge business. I purchased my M97xE for the same reason that you did.

  • @awesomeferret
    @awesomeferret 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That Banjo Kazooie turd colored record is the most beautiful and pointless thing I've ever seen.

  • @oskarobit
    @oskarobit 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Years later...
    If anyone could share where to find the blueprint of AT-LP120USB... Maybe that it's not the right word, I'm not English speaker native, perhaps "plan"? I'm totally lost with some parts of the video, I'm a bit confused with colours and cartridge cables and RCA output cables and...
    I mean, I don't have a f*cking idea about electronics (I know how to read a plan and how to weld and solder "things"), but I would like to get a ground connection for the AT-LP120USB. I need to know "from where" I can lean a wire to a Some help please?
    :( :P

  • @mechadrake
    @mechadrake 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    we in a strange dystopia timeline, where you cannot play stuff on stuff you demontrate, which is made to play stuff.
    and you have the coolest stuff. did not know that prodigy thing egaisted or the banjo. I did not get any players into my old stuff collection yet, got one record of local band tho (they make most cool folkrock stuff).

  • @eduardoavila646
    @eduardoavila646 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    In that grey area in youtube there is also not very known old music.
    Most ones i've found that aren't flagged, are pre-1930's ones, usually more "indie" ones
    Also old tracker music and 'modplugs' seem to be pretty much safe too apparently, unless if used in very known games such as team17 games.
    The most safe ones are probably the tracker ones. It only took 3 years from shazam (an app) and youtube to actually recognize some old music from a tv show i was looking for (Lover's Serenade · Alan Moorhouse to be precise). So some other old music may endup in a database due to some movie using it or somehow it being bought by some company like umg.

  • @rokero171
    @rokero171 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I guess there is an LPF on the phono out of the turntable or some weird impedance shit happening, that high end roll off is really audible even with crappy headphones, and also the bass on the modded phono out and on the line out is tighter. I thought that the song used wasn't gonna be good to compare, but even on a sound source so lacking of high end there is a difference, I imagine on a song with really defined high end how the original phono out can affect.

  • @SeltsamerAttraktor
    @SeltsamerAttraktor 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    So this thing is 270€ on Amazon right now. Why can't they get this right for that amount of money?

  • @TheBudgie29
    @TheBudgie29 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have done about 20 of these TT cause the Owners did not or could not do It themselves. Put down a Clean or New thick towel on the work surface before tipping It over. Even the smallest specs of dust will destroy the Lid. Do not take the Original wire out or DE-Solder as shown here. Roll It up Into a coil and tape It up, Then lay It flat In the Empty space back of the tonearm and tape It down. Do not unscrew the Pre-Amp again as shown here leave It In. Now follow the procedure that Is shown here. Now there are 8 Little Brass spacers that will fall off from the top of the Screw holders. Collect these and make sure You have ALL of them. After You have done the MODS Shown Here. Put the Base Plate back on, And before You put the screws In, Drop the Brass Spacers Into the holes first. Then put In the Screw In and carefully make sure that I has gone through the Spacer. Now tighten down flip over and Enjoy the Music.
    PS I have also done the Anti-Skate but that Is another story.

    • @colinray171
      @colinray171 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is an underrated comment! I didn't know about the spacers at first and only realized there was a problem when I had screwed the whole thing together and heard them bouncing around inside. So far I've found 7 of the 8...that last one's going to be the death of me.

    • @TheBudgie29
      @TheBudgie29 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@colinray171 Yes It has probably gone under the Circuit Board, i had one do that on Me First time I cracked one Open. Just keep moving It around till It drops out. Good Luck, And Thanks.

  • @mongojoe21
    @mongojoe21 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I only use felt with a slip sheet when I want to play around and scratch

  • @NikHYTWP
    @NikHYTWP 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait, is a mile genuinely 3000 feet? xD

  • @CyrilViXP
    @CyrilViXP 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just didn't get it. Line output and phono output are suppose to have different frequency response. You are using line output when you want to use different phono corrector. Are you comparing dry signal from record with different phono amps output? They are suppose to be different, that's the main idea - manufacturer of record equalized it to preserve the best noise-signal ratio all over the spectrum, so you need to equalize it back to get the signal close to original. Every phono amp will make equalization differently.

  • @jsngallery
    @jsngallery 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    i’m sure you could make your own clear vinyl slipmat. make a silicone mold, pour resin, done

  • @PiddeBas
    @PiddeBas 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting!

  • @darkhanzo
    @darkhanzo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I've either destroyed my hearing with years of listening to my music very loud with earphones or my PC speakers aren't super great but I gotta be honest, I couldn't tell the difference between any of the comparisons.

    • @quantumfoam42
      @quantumfoam42 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's pretty hard to convey through audio on TH-cam, because it gets processed yet again when you upload it...and then what you get is affected by the speed of your internet connection, etc. That's why the spectrograms were so important.

    • @Coynkydynk
      @Coynkydynk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You surely must be able to make out the "cymbals" difference in the @28:28 shoot-out? If not, yeah it's bad news.

    • @markm0000
      @markm0000 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      You need to be listening to 720p or higher video quality and have a really good set of earbuds. Of course, good hearing as well.

    • @darkhanzo
      @darkhanzo 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Coynkydynk Just sounds ever so slightly louder with the mod to me, other than that I hear no noticeable difference :/

    • @manFromPeterborough
      @manFromPeterborough 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      YT audio is 44/ 128kbs

  • @marceloalencar_
    @marceloalencar_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where can we get that t-shirt?

    • @Coynkydynk
      @Coynkydynk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Eh...which one? My fave was the Fender one, but the bug hunt one was also sweet.

    • @marceloalencar_
      @marceloalencar_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Coynkydynk I liked the Bug Hunt one

  • @larryshaver3568
    @larryshaver3568 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree the grounds should NEVER be shorted together, it causes hum

  • @David-lr4vx
    @David-lr4vx 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You said "peel it off" like how would imagine Weird Al would say it.

  • @Veso266
    @Veso266 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    why would anyone want to scrape part number off a chip?the part number is there to be seen, because why would the chip manufacterer print it on the chip if its scraped off anyway*

    • @draketungsten74
      @draketungsten74 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The product manufacturer would so that other product manufacturers wouldn't clone it by using the same chip.

  • @deadmetalbr
    @deadmetalbr 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh, wow. I'd heard a lot of people had warped platters on their LP120s. Mine isn't absolutely flat, either, but it's nowhere near as uneven as this one.

  • @bakedbeans6
    @bakedbeans6 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I've been using this exact turntable for a few years and I never realized that little lever was used to lower the tonearm. DERP