Audio Technica LP-120: TOP 5 UPGRADES!

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  • @benjaminadams1966
    @benjaminadams1966 7 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    Hey Jared, thanks for the shout out! Glad my old blog was of assistance. My poor old AT-LP120 eventually died ... power supply failed.

  • @QoraxAudio
    @QoraxAudio 5 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    By replacing the weight to a bigger one, you only increase the effective tonearm mass and that's not something you want with a medium mass tonearm like that one.
    When it comes to stylus pressure: if it's set at 2, it's set at 2, regardless of the size of the weight.
    It's only an improvement when you need the additional adjustment range for a heavy cartridge.

    • @robertuskoppies444
      @robertuskoppies444 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      "a smattering of everything, and a knowledge of nothing" Charles Dickens. Read my comment.

    • @terran236
      @terran236 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@robertuskoppies444exactly well said.

  • @randallstewart175
    @randallstewart175 8 ปีที่แล้ว +374

    A balancing weight is just that, no more. If the original weight is sufficient to counter-balance any new cartridge you might install, then it's a pointless action to replace the counter-weight. No explanation is offered to "just do it". Do it only if a heavy replacement cartridge requires it.

    • @randallstewart175
      @randallstewart175 7 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      I don't think he was suggesting that excess stylus pressure [weight] on the record should be added. He was stating that a heavier, replacement counter-balance be purchased, but presumably dialed in to apply the same stylus pressure as with the original counter-weight. Just adding a heavier counter-weight poses no benefit and two negatives: a heavier moving mass to the tonearm, and the expense of the needless purchase.

    • @snewton47
      @snewton47 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      It makes some sense if you have a low compliance cartridge and you need to increase the tonearm mass.
      But the silly S shape tonearm has more than enough mass for a 2M red.

    • @jimvandyk6523
      @jimvandyk6523 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Any cartridge/headshell combination that comes in around 18g or higher will need the heavier counterweight with an LP120. Also, if the heavier weight is used with an AT95e for instance, the counterweight will ride much closer to the pivot, thus possibly improving performance. Worth getting.

    • @AchimDrittner
      @AchimDrittner 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, you need a heavy counterweight in case your system is so heavy that it is impossible to balance it to zero. For exact adjustments, use a tonearm scale.

    • @logaandm
      @logaandm 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Probably the only reason the heavier counter weight improved tracking was by changing the tone resonance. One needs to be careful to match the tone arm and cartridge for this reason.

  • @magicfan4ever888
    @magicfan4ever888 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I took my pre-amp out off my LP-120, and it was day and night...the sound is more detailed and beautiful now. I also bought the Ortofon 2m Red and did not work for me at all, the highs were way too high, sent it back and bought the Audio-Technica VM540ML/H instead and OMG what a difference, IT SOUNDS BEAUTIFUL with my Vintage Yamaha Receiver CR-840! Alignment is super important, replacing your Counterweight not necessary at all, and acrylic mat is the best way to go in my opinion.

  • @animasaki
    @animasaki 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I'm so glad that it's finally 2017.

  • @johnb6723
    @johnb6723 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    To bypass the preamp on the LP 120, one can flip the switch at the back from line to phono then add the preamp as normal.

    • @MentallyMicrowaved
      @MentallyMicrowaved 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      yea i was thinking that too. idk why you would remove it when you have a setting to bypass it

    • @Smerth
      @Smerth 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Because it actually does not bypass the preamp. The signal still goes through the preamp board and got frequencies cut out

    • @The-Scots-man
      @The-Scots-man 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No, this is incorrect as there is still a discernible hum or slight distortion because the signal still goes through the pre amp board regardless of whether phono or line is selected.

    • @HappyTyke25
      @HappyTyke25 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@The-Scots-man I've tried connecting 2 different preamps to my turntable but even switching to line, it just makes an awful noise that nearly blew my speakers, I think the only way to use this turntable with an external preamp, is to remove the existing internal preamp. Personally I'd rather just upgrade the turntable when I'm ready.

    • @The-Scots-man
      @The-Scots-man หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@HappyTyke25it can be removed and it fixes the noise problem. You still have to get a decent external pre amp though. It's a pity the existing pre amp passed quality control.

  • @dusty600
    @dusty600 8 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Another note is that you also void your warranty by removing the pre-amp, so it might be a good idea to do so after warranty expires.

  • @albertafingers
    @albertafingers 8 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I started my vinyl collection after my friends bought me a Crosley player for my birthday about 6 months back. I recently saved up and bought myself an AT LP120, and your words describe the difference perfectly; it's like night & day! I plan to upgrade my mat soon, but so far it sounds amazing!

    • @jasonemanuel9070
      @jasonemanuel9070 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wouldn't bother the felt is fine. Other mats will take away the detail in the sound signatures, unless that's what you want. The best upgrade is to get the ATN95EX stylus

  • @Magnulus76
    @Magnulus76 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Back in the day people did not buy preamps seperately. They came built in on amplifiers and receivers. Therefore, alot of new turntables come with preamps built in, to make up for the fact that modern receivers generally do not have phono preamps.

  • @kevinchandler4409
    @kevinchandler4409 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    For all you guys wondering why you should remove the preamp it goes like this : the built in phono preamp adversley affects the sound quality EVEV WHEN IT IS BYPASSED WITH THE SWITCH. When you switch to phono direct the cartridge cables are still connected to part of the built in preamp. Research has shown that phono direct isn't pure, the residual connection to the preamp reduces the high signals on the lp. Even though it is "bypassed" with the switch. Got it?

    • @FatOssssss
      @FatOssssss 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I hear that AT fixed this issue on newer models.

    • @brucetowell3432
      @brucetowell3432 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I do not live to far from the AT headquarters in Ohio, do you think they take walk-ins? No way am I tech enough for this type of surgery removing the pre-amp. thanks in advance

  • @thein-tele-gent5654
    @thein-tele-gent5654 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    All great points. From there just swap out and upgrade the stock plinth, platter, motor, and tone arm and I think we can all agree the turntable will sound and operate like a whole new rig.

    • @NiiOnLood
      @NiiOnLood ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ...or buy Technics at first place.

  • @yungclownfish24
    @yungclownfish24 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    An option that I explored that makes a decent improvement in sound is upgrading the stylus from the atn95e that comes with the turntable to the atn95ex, which will fit on the cartridge that comes with the turntable. A good option especially if your stylus is due for a replacement as the the atn95ex is only 10 dollars more than the atn95e

    • @GeirRssaak
      @GeirRssaak 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The only important thing is to know the difference between styluses! A conical may be ok, but as a Norwegian sound engineer I would recommend an elliptical or a Shibata!

  • @strawberryjam3670
    @strawberryjam3670 8 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Jarret, i have to thank you you gave me the inspiration to get into vinyl. And i enjoy listening to it

  • @owenlaprath4135
    @owenlaprath4135 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Those are all good suggestions. I've been using, repairing, upgrading, and even built some turntables for 40 years.

  • @Snake65
    @Snake65 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I needed the built in pre amp because I live in an apartment and don't have room for an old school 2 channel set up. I plug RCA into a single 3.5 and play it thru my Bowers and Wilkins Zeppelin

  • @jackmorris4440
    @jackmorris4440 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don't know that if it's 'cause I got my at-lp120 later than Jarrett, but you don't have to remove the internal pre-amp to use an external one. there's a little black switch on the back that allows you to bypass the internal pre-amp.

  • @c.m.junior2686
    @c.m.junior2686 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You have inspired me to purchase this turntable. I very much love my Audio Techica LP120. After your review of it, I had to have one. The records sound so very clear, and mono records sound as if they were recorded in stereo. Thank you so much for all of the info you provide on your channel.

  • @byronmacdowell3732
    @byronmacdowell3732 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    No mention of acrylic mats. I'm using one from Hudson Hi-Fi on my Pro-Ject Debut Carbon and the static pops have dramatically decreased! Personally, I'd change removing the pre-amp to using a record weight/clamp. The biggest upgrade you can do for your entire system is a power conditioner.

  • @jayp6990
    @jayp6990 8 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    Would you want to "rip out" the preamp if you can switch it off?

    • @dennisrodash3763
      @dennisrodash3763 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Good point Bro.👍

    • @alejandrodanieldelfino4011
      @alejandrodanieldelfino4011 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@dennisrodash3763 Not even a point right there, if the preamp is off there are still circuit doing things.

    • @alejandrodanieldelfino4011
      @alejandrodanieldelfino4011 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Its not True bypass

    • @MedalionDS9
      @MedalionDS9 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      There is a reason they are saying to rip out the preamp... as there is a supposed switch to "bypass" the preamp.. but that is not true... even if you go without the built-in preamp, for some reason, the preamp is still in the signal path and it's not a particularly good pre-amp and will obscure the pure sound you should be hearing from the turntable and vinyl on it

    • @Tunz909
      @Tunz909 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@MedalionDS9 From what i have been reading, models made after 2017 and forward, have addressed the issue with the pre-amp and anti-skate. FWIW

  • @scatteredfrog
    @scatteredfrog 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    One thing that nobody seems to have mentioned regarding removing the preamp...(btw, my pre-amp is still intact. I don't use it, but the turntable still sounds really good -- that's what your equalizer is for!)...
    If you remove the pre-amp from the LP-120, that also takes away the USB connectivity, as the USB is actually part of the built-in pre-amp. So unless you have another way to route your sound to a computer if you want to make a digital recording of some of your vinyl, you might want to leave that pre-amp alone.

  • @nihilisticexistentialist6007
    @nihilisticexistentialist6007 7 ปีที่แล้ว +151

    450$ on a pre-amp.... this is more expensive than the turntable(at lp-120) itself.

    • @tubical71
      @tubical71 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      i also tired my ortofon vinyl master silver with it (i have some more spinners here;)....it´s about what you can do, not what´s rational ok ;)

    • @dang2443
      @dang2443 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly what i was going to say!

    • @blakebacarella9445
      @blakebacarella9445 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      He also doesn't tell you that you need a receiver only a turntable, pre amp, amplifier, and speakers

    • @Andersljungberg
      @Andersljungberg 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      they say that the preamp that is in this turntable degrades the sound even when it is turned off

    • @Andersljungberg
      @Andersljungberg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You do not have to buy a preamp for $ 450. you can even find one for $ 100 that sounds really great

  • @gavinhardy75
    @gavinhardy75 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Late reply to this 5 year old video. I have the newer 120x. The sound from its stock upgraded cartridge and internal preamp is fantastic compared with the ones on the older 120. However: The next payday I upgraded from the stock elliptical stylus to the microline (The stock VM95 cartridge is said to be brilliant and only stylus upgrades are necessary) and a cork mat. Noticeable increase in sound quality, no distortion on inner groves of certain LP’s. I don’t feel a need to upgrade to an external preamp.

  • @ekid88
    @ekid88 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hello Vinyl Eyezz,
    Thank you for the tips. I managed by now to use 2 of the tips you showed in the video and the sound improved pretty good.
    The first tip I used was to replace my old GRIP mat (or rubber mat) with a felt mat (because I couldn't find near me some cork to make my own cork mat) with a felt slipmat (which I made myself, as I am a bit of a DIY'er)
    The second thing I did was to properly allign my cartidge. It made a difference on the treble, in terms of a brighter sound.
    Also, a thing I did was to make my own phono cables. I used two 6.3mm jacks, two RCA jacks and the most important, I used balanced microphone cable. And now i got rid of the annoying buzz that I got when I switched to phono. For the other devices I'm going to use regular coaxial microphone cables as they carry a much higher signal than the phono cartridge.
    Keep up the good work!

  • @eclecticcollecting5598
    @eclecticcollecting5598 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great video! I love the channel! I have an LP120, as well. In my opinion, removing the preamp is the most noticeable thing you can do to improve the sound of the LP120. After I removed mine, I wondered why I waited so long. The installed preamp really does color the sound...even when it is switched off. The sound, with the internal preamp removed, opens up considerably and has better clarity. For me, it was like removing a curtain that muffled the sound. All the money spent on tweaks and better bits of equipment almost seem pointless in light of the internal preamp sitting inside coloring/muffling the sound. The difference in sound, to me, really was very noticeable. It's a shame that AT hampers the sound of their own unit by including the internal preamp in the signal path even when switched off.

    • @jasonemanuel9070
      @jasonemanuel9070 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi, do you still have this table six years later. Or have you upgraded.

  • @danxepha4535
    @danxepha4535 8 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    My LP120 has a switch on the back to defeat the internal pre-amp. You can use this if you want to use a separate pre-amp.
    I know that removing the pre-amp can change the sound (as even when turned off the signal is still fed through a capacitor), but from what I've heard it just boost the high frequencies a bit, but to me it sounds overly bright.
    I just thought this was worth mentioning as you don't need to remove it (and void your warranty) to use a separate preamp.

    • @ryanbishoop
      @ryanbishoop 8 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Dan Xepha The reason it's often suggested to remove the internal pre amp altogether is that even though there is a switch to "bypass" the pre amp, it's been proven that the wiring still goes through the pre amp, and the audio quality is affected. It's a small difference, but it's there.

    • @danxepha4535
      @danxepha4535 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ryan bishop
      Indeed. As I said all I can hear is a bit more in the treble range. But in the demonstration I watched I preferred how it sounded before the mod. I think I prefer a slightly warmer sound.

    • @cjmillsnun
      @cjmillsnun 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Part of that sound depends on the cart used. I think I know the demo you watched and that guy uses an AT440MLa (as do I) and was playing his own single which he said was very badly mixed and was excessively sibilant. The AT440MLa does tend to be brighter than other carts (something that works well with the amp I have). With Ortofon carts like the 2M series, it has a warmer sound to begin with, so increasing the high frequencies may suit it.
      Personally I don't have an AT LP-120 TT (I have a Rega) but if I did, that pre amp board would be bypassed.

    • @danxepha4535
      @danxepha4535 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      cjmillsnun
      I had a Rega Planar 1 but it was running too fast. Tried another one and it was the same. Gave up on them in the end and bought the LP-120 instead.

    • @cjmillsnun
      @cjmillsnun 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mine runs at 33.4 rpm. Measured using a tachometer.

  • @AnthonyLemma24
    @AnthonyLemma24 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I bought the Numark cc-1 recently, and all I had to do was just plug it right in the tonearm, didn't need the head shell, and I am pleased with it. My turntable is the Technics SL-3200

  • @atripentertainment3329
    @atripentertainment3329 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My new LP-120 arrived at my house today, great timing on the video :)
    Your videos are great, keep it up dude.

  • @bigmaxy07
    @bigmaxy07 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm more than happy with the way mine sounds just out of the box. !

  • @alexbeaulieu9074
    @alexbeaulieu9074 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    hello Jared i been repairing turn tables and record players for over 40 + years thank you for posting this .
    also thank you for knowing your limitations I could go on with horror story's of some one not qualified.

  • @teadm7258
    @teadm7258 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I use the lighter counterweight that comes with the turntable, and records have never skipped. I'd be more concerned with the flawed anti-skating adjustment, which is almost non-existent with some units.

    • @user-so2us2yr7u
      @user-so2us2yr7u 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      My dad gave me his LP120 a few weeks ago that he never used and I believe I’m running into that exact issue. I tried testing the AS feature while it was on a record and the tone arm didn’t budge at all.. now I’m trying to figure out if there’s a work around or I’m just stuck having to buy a whole new one.. Do you know of any workaround? When I try to search online it’s just a bunch of people saying they have the problem no other suggestions to how to fix though

  • @mp29k
    @mp29k 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Another couple simple mods that can improve the table are damping the platter and the tonearm. Do this with a product called "Sound Coat" it is adhesive backed, and you line the bottom of the platter with this. This improves speed stability (more mass in the platter), and also platter "ringing"). For the tone-arm, put 3 rubber o-rings (roughly 5/16" ID), and this damps the tone-arm to prevent resonances from travelling into the arm pivot improving the cohesion of the sound image. Finally, the Anti-skate doesn't work on this table. To make it actually work you need to replace a spring (TH-cam and Google are your friend here). This table can perform really well with careful setup and a couple of cheap modifications.

    • @scatteredfrog
      @scatteredfrog 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Problem is fixing the anti-skate requires some pretty delicate desoldering and resoldering. There are pictures somewhere of someone who attached fishing weights to fix the antiskate but with little to no explanation as to what exactly to do.

    • @anthonymizzi1490
      @anthonymizzi1490 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Anti skate is something I'm looking forward to fix because it totally doesn't work
      , needs spring replacement for sure.

  • @jesserussell7242
    @jesserussell7242 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Those are great tips for the LP 120 I love my LP 120 X I haven’t quite listened to the records yet I started listening to the record without having the amplifier hooked up to it and I love the fact that the motor is very quiet it’s fantastic I am not going to undo the preamps are you spelt because I’d love to keep my turntable in great shape.

  • @jeffalger5237
    @jeffalger5237 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Back in the day while buying stereo equipment in Japan you never had to worry about modifying anything to get great sound. The Technics and Kenwood turntables I purchased in Misawa in 1981 still work and sound perfect. I did buy this Audio Technica lp120 from B&H to try out transferring hard to find remixes to CDs for the car. Let's see how it goes.

  • @dubnessIII
    @dubnessIII 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Doesn't the LP120 have a phono-line switch on the back? Why would you need to take out the preamp to use an external preamp? Wouldn't you just switch over to phono and use the rca out to the input of the external pre? What am I not getting here?

    • @-x21-
      @-x21- 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      dubnessIII The internal preamp is not very good. It's not completely able to be bypassed with the switch.

    • @MedalionDS9
      @MedalionDS9 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Even if you switch to not using the preamp, there is a weird flaw where the sound is still piped through the preamp, and will affect your sound to not get the most pure sound the vinyl has to offer... it makes it sound slightly darker and muffled sounding

  • @69dragons
    @69dragons 8 ปีที่แล้ว +270

    Just go to your local Wal-mart and imagine all of the people with flying cars. Are you sure you still want flying cars?

    • @vinyleyezz
      @vinyleyezz  8 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      +Daniel Jones haha maybe it's for the best.

    • @lizichell2
      @lizichell2 8 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Vinyl Eyezz they are dangerous enough in normal cars

    • @Leibo07
      @Leibo07 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Daniel Jones. Drones are on their way. (They say)

    • @narzq
      @narzq 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      its not like flying cars don't exist. there have been several functional prototypes. 1 still too expensive, 2 we arent ready!

    • @Leibo07
      @Leibo07 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      narzq. beside the point.

  • @puts1421
    @puts1421 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    hey great video. I am going overhaul my Lp-120 this weekend. just ordered the super charger today and the nitrous should be in tomorrow. lol. seriously though good video, I just ordered a new mat. thanks

    • @Wheels35
      @Wheels35 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      don't forget the flames and red paint :D

    • @Iliek
      @Iliek 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Slap some stickers on there while you're at it. They'll improve the sound as much as the mat does.

  • @keithling417
    @keithling417 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    For those opting to bypass the preamp, I highly recommend the Schitt Mani. It's about 140 and is consistently rated as the best phono preamp under 1K. It's also completely manufactured in the US.

    • @ThatPoinkySploinky
      @ThatPoinkySploinky 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah but im wondering, why would you remove the preamp entirely as opposed to switching it off? wont it have the same effect?

  • @antonellamorales5395
    @antonellamorales5395 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    +Vinyl Eyezz Is there a video that explains the difference between cork, leather and rubber vinyl mats? Love these videos!

  • @IknowThings1
    @IknowThings1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro, you are a life saver! My record collection is getting much better, but now the sound is getting better because of the tips you share! thanks!

  • @HammyTechnoid
    @HammyTechnoid 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I took the leap and removed the preamp. highly recommended.

  • @DarkAudit
    @DarkAudit 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    An older version of the blog post suggested adding o-rings to the tonearm to add dampening and increase the effective mass.

  • @DoveHowdy
    @DoveHowdy 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I stared at that copy of The Cure: Disintegration, all throughout the video, I really want that album on vinyl but i can't find it anywhere in stores and ordering it online takes the fun out of finding something I really want in store

  • @TribalDBC
    @TribalDBC 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you very much for your work on your channel. I was inspired by this video to upgrade my DJ turntable to an audiophile/HI-FI turntable for Father's Day. I bought the Art DJ PRE II - $39.00. The pre-amp that is inside of my Roland TT-99 has a gate that shuts off the audio when below a set threshold. Nice idea but acts weird. The DJpre allows me to push some saturation is quite pleasant sounding to me. I bought the cork slip mat $14.99 and was surprised the difference that made. Then I bought a refurbished 2M blue for $100.00 (SCORE!!) The deck sounds completely different now. I noticed something. I took the default entry-level cartridge off and put it on its own headshell for quick installation later and aligned it with the free downloadable protractor and it sounded way better after being set up. I wish I had aligned this cartridge before. It is still not as good as the 2M Blue but definitely better than it was before. It had a slight anechoic sound before. The TT-99 seems to be a rebranded LP-120 less some features such as stylus height adjustment but gains a switch for phono out or line level (pre-amped out)so I don't need to open it up to use an​ external preamp. Happy Father's Day to me.

    • @TribalDBC
      @TribalDBC 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      What is that hole for in the top right of the deck?

  • @imothy
    @imothy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what is better, the new LP120 or the old one that you have? The new one doesn't have adjustable tone arm height, and the LED light isn't spring loaded. It just seems like they cut corners, but maybe its better? I actually got this old version on accident in an open box sale mishap, but considering sending it back. But now that i look at the new model i kinda am thinking of keeping it. What would you do?

  • @brandonvienneau5785
    @brandonvienneau5785 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for all the advice, I will be recieving my lp-120 in the mail tomorrow and i feel well prepared thanks to your playlist on how to setup the lp-120. :)

  • @DMC428
    @DMC428 5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Just subscribed and then "buy heavier counter weight"...if the same force is applied, what is the benefit?
    After that I can't take you serious anymore.

    • @wtk1265
      @wtk1265 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thought the same lmao.. This guy has no clue about that and thinks with his little lp120 he is a pro lol

    • @okalright3941
      @okalright3941 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@wtk1265 hes been collecting for longer than you. And he just prefers a lp120. Meanwhile you have a mario face profile pic

    • @okalright3941
      @okalright3941 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The counter weight that comes stock isnt heavy enough. Needs a heavier one to prevent coming out of the grooves

    • @Debilitate_
      @Debilitate_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@okalright3941 No

  • @HeleneChu
    @HeleneChu 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I really needed this video, THANK YOU!!

    • @vinyleyezz
      @vinyleyezz  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +helenehaugenh no problem! 😄

  • @vinylcity1599
    @vinylcity1599 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    All AT-lp120's made before 2017, was made with a defective "anti-skate" spring in them! After 2017, it was corrected! You can install a new spring on the ones made before 2017, but you should get a professional to do it!

    • @girlienerd
      @girlienerd 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep, mine has that issue. It's a real PITA to replace the spring

    • @sergisamongas
      @sergisamongas 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I set mine to 7, highest number and it worked

  • @zetecfiesta
    @zetecfiesta 8 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    I would not recommend the 2M red at all its overpriced for what you get
    I would recommend the Audio Technica AT440ML or At120eb as a better upgrade from the AT95e
    Another upgrade would be removing the transformer. You may as well get this done if you are getting an Electrician to remove the pre-amp.
    My final suggestion - Isolation feet

    • @Shreddah
      @Shreddah 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I recently bought the AT440MLb and it sounds amazing. I agree though, the 2M red is mediocre at best.

    • @ihop4no14
      @ihop4no14 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I'm not sure I agree. Right now the Audio-Technica AT440MLb cartridge is $199 on Amazon and eBay while the Ortofon 2m Red is only $99.

    • @jimvandyk6523
      @jimvandyk6523 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I bought about 5 moving magnets (including a 2M Red) and finally settled on a Denon 103 Moving Coil+ Emotiva XPS-1 MC preamp, which is totally on the next level. Glad I'm done with that journey! Amazing how much performance you can get out of this low cost turntable!

    • @jimvandyk6523
      @jimvandyk6523 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you go to the LP Gear website, they also have some excellent upgraded stylus' for the AT95e, which is really a great sounding cartridge..still my favorite moving magnet.

    • @mmoviefan7
      @mmoviefan7 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      at440ml ftw

  • @jgadadi
    @jgadadi 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Jarrett! Thanks for all the time and effort you put in all your videos. I enjoy them VERY much! Just bought an LP120USB two weeks ago and yesterday I've upgraded the catridge to an Ortofon 2m Red. All of this thanks to your recommendations. I'll be sending some vinyl records in your way in the next couple of weeks. Regards from Argentina! Keep spinning that vinyl!

    • @vinyleyezz
      @vinyleyezz  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +jgadadi thank you so much! Glad I could help!

  • @dennisgallant9411
    @dennisgallant9411 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I finally got ahold of the AT-CW1 counterweight and unfortunately it didn't help with skipping on a few records in my collection that skip. Those same few records don't skip on a buddies turntable. His table is a different company and uses a Shure cartridge. I'm using the original AT-95E cartridge.

  • @s2meister
    @s2meister 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have said this for years, one of the best improvements to a turntable is the surface it is sitting on. Get a good heavy, HEAVY, table or console with a solid surface and lots of mass, and be sure that nothing else is touching it. Then of course hot-rod the device.

  • @ASilentS
    @ASilentS 8 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Don't get a new fangled external preamp. Get a good vintage receiver.

    • @thesewessentials132
      @thesewessentials132 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      What do you recommend ?

    • @ericm7405
      @ericm7405 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Onkyo TX-910

    • @cjmillsnun
      @cjmillsnun 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Agreed. I have 2 setups. One is an 80's Musical Fidelity and the other is a '95 Marantz. Both high quality with phono stages built in.

    • @ASilentS
      @ASilentS 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      orgasm

    • @TheBajanPhantom
      @TheBajanPhantom 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Was using a 80's Onkyo TX-82 to go with my new Onkyo CP-1050, but it's shot so I just ordered an Onkyo TX-NR656

  • @marcracine2148
    @marcracine2148 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Why would you need to remove the built-in pre-amp when the 120 offers a switch to bypass the internal and use an external pre-amp?

  • @michaelbruce5415
    @michaelbruce5415 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I briefly owned an AT LP120 but returned it because of motor noise. It's a great looking turntable but in my view has features that most users will never use, e.g. reverse, rather than putting better quality into the essentials. So I replaced mine with a Pro-ject RPM-1 which has the Ortofon 2m Red as standard, and a motor which is silent.
    I do think your viewers should think VERY carefully before removing the on board pre amp since such action may invalidate the manufacturers warranty.

  • @chrisjohnson1723
    @chrisjohnson1723 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Did you use the Stevenson protractor when aligning the Ortofon Red, or do you recommend a different protractor? Thanks!

  • @stratrovarius
    @stratrovarius 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Just got my AT LP 120xUSB that has a phono/line bypass switch. Do you still recommend an external (cheap 50 USD Power Dynamics ) preamp over the built in one?

    • @sergisamongas
      @sergisamongas 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mine sounds good either way, aux or phono.

  • @vladimirraicevic1165
    @vladimirraicevic1165 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What stylus for DJing and schreching? thank you

  • @ArthurJS123
    @ArthurJS123 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I show a few non invasive mods/tweaks on my channel. These include rubber street hockey pucks under the feet, and O-rings on the tonearm to reduce resonance. I've since sprayed the underneath of the platter with Rustoleum LeakSeal to reduce vibration caused by ringing. I will never, ever, remove the preamp. The better solution there is to add a second turntable. I like the AT95E so much that I have the same cartridge in my Pioneer PL-516. But the AT120 truly is a great table.

    • @lesrogers7310
      @lesrogers7310 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have the AT9E in my Thorens & my AT-120....they both sound great to me.

  • @DarrellS54
    @DarrellS54 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Question. Why cut out the built in pre amp when it already has a switch to turn it off? Sounds kind of pointless to do such a thing. About the only upgrade that’s necessary is to change out the cartridge. As far as the counterweight goes I’m sure the one that’s there should be sufficient enough.

  • @Aleziss
    @Aleziss 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what is the purpose of having a heavier counterweight if the stylus only requires 1.6g ? the small counterweight can do 1.6g too !?

  • @TheUncannyvalleygirl77
    @TheUncannyvalleygirl77 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanx Bruv, I’ve been using these to DJ for over 20 months. Your so flipping helpful!
    Totally invaluable information!!!!!

  • @tacopizza2003
    @tacopizza2003 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Isolating the turntable from what it's sitting on. There are mats &feet you can buy to do this. It helps eliminate feedback (hum & rumble) from your subwoofer. I like the inflatable ones personally.

  • @andrewbarnum5040
    @andrewbarnum5040 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    My LP120 which is about 12 years old has a pre-amp switch which I leave turned off and use a DJ mixer from Radio Shack I picked up about 15 years ago. The built in Amp makes the music sound flat as where an external pre-amp ads another dimension to the sound. Back then I paid $350 for the turntable which lacks USB. My only complaint is a faint clicking noise in quiet parts of the music. If I ever buy another turntable I will probably get a Pro-ject.

  • @questhero101
    @questhero101 8 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    Why the hell is the LP-120 considered a beginner's turntable? What's intermediate? A Pro-Ject Carbon DC?

    • @EricLaytonMusic
      @EricLaytonMusic 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Questhero101 does it fucking matter?

    • @dannymain542
      @dannymain542 7 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      Audiophiles think that when you get to a 1000 dollars then you have a pretty decent record player

    • @mathieuclement8011
      @mathieuclement8011 7 ปีที่แล้ว +90

      Anything under $5,000 will damage your records. /s

    • @BionicMerlin
      @BionicMerlin 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Most everything I like is upwards of $500, so the LP-120 is kind of a bargain. If you need something exotic and not so expensive, keep an eye on good quality used gear.

    • @achn2b
      @achn2b 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Not just audiophiles. The truth is that spending more money gets you a better turntable. Up to the point of diminishing returns, and that point differs with every individual.
      Go listen to a expensive turntable sometime. Then go back and listen to your LP 120.

  • @JamesCrawley
    @JamesCrawley 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    just wanted to say thanks for making videos! I've been watching you for a while now in preparation for me buying a turntable! but my girlfriend found your channel and bought me the lp120 in black for Christmas!

    • @vinyleyezz
      @vinyleyezz  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +James Crawley nice! Congrats on your new LP-120! And thank you for watching! A lot of great new stuff on the way!

  • @666PANDEMONIUM
    @666PANDEMONIUM 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the channel that I was looking for!

  • @MsMogosBigBumps1
    @MsMogosBigBumps1 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    God bless your videos i'm a new time vinyl collector and really wanted to get it right and not waste money and my first is going to be an ATLP120

  • @6Rhyme
    @6Rhyme 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oké you dont need to remove the internal pre amp Just use it in phono stand in what ever you want or iam wrong?

  • @andrevanstiphout
    @andrevanstiphout ปีที่แล้ว

    My LP120 USB has a switch on the rear to bypass the inbuilt phono preamp. I don't think I'll be removing it any time soon when I can do that and use an external phono preamp.

  • @anthonygrassetti9714
    @anthonygrassetti9714 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm so lost as to what speakers to select for this set up. So many contrasting suggestions out there.

    • @edwarde5452
      @edwarde5452 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Anthony Grassetti consider price, budget, and space. Also consider active or passive speakers.
      I own the Alesis M1Active 320USB speakers which I love. I've heard Edifer's and Klipsch are good as well.

  • @NoxMD
    @NoxMD 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How does upgrading the counterweight improve the sound quality of your TT? Unless your stock counterweight is so bad that it doesn't actually apply the pressure force marked on the disk giving you the mass, 2.5 g is 2.5 g no matter the counterweight.

  • @paradoxsurvival
    @paradoxsurvival 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    hey Jarrett, I wanted to get a record player for a long time and I found your channel while looking and I watched almost all your videos because you're a good speaker and they're cool but I decided to go with the Audio Technica at-lp60 because I can't afford the 120. but I just wanted to thank you for helping me find this one it came in the mail today and I love it

  • @Yashiro-nene_dies
    @Yashiro-nene_dies 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I heard that now, audio technica completely bypasses the preamp when switched to phono, so removing the preamp would sound counter intuitive. Can anyone confirm?

    • @simplybod
      @simplybod ปีที่แล้ว

      Your correct, AT have now sorted out the issue on the 120X and it would not now need removing.

  • @adamt4417
    @adamt4417 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had a feeling he wasn't going to mention removing the preamp, but he did, so props for that.

  • @jeanpierreblancocastiblanc5468
    @jeanpierreblancocastiblanc5468 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Loving that Disintegration on the wall! Fine taste!

    • @vinyleyezz
      @vinyleyezz  8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Jean Pierre Blanco Castiblanco thank you! Love that album!

  • @morsecode5078
    @morsecode5078 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    For just a few extra dollars, you can buy the Debut Carbon. Already has the 2m, and no need to remove a preamp. Of course if you already own the 120, these are good upgrades.

  • @TheChianello
    @TheChianello 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good job! I noticed Jobim's 'Wave" album in the backround. You have good musical taste as well.

  • @bpabustan
    @bpabustan 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    To those old stereo systems, no need to buy a separate phono pre amp if you have in integrated amplifier or a receiver. Remove the LP120 preamp and you are good to go.

  • @panicBoydotcom
    @panicBoydotcom 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you're gonna do any surgery on this turntable, consider leaving in the preamp, but wiring in a bypass switch connected to another pair of RCA jacks. That way you can run it at either signal level.

    • @panicBoydotcom
      @panicBoydotcom 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      So I just looked at the back of this thing on image search. IT'S ALREADY GOT A BYPASS SWITCH. Switching it to LINE uses the internal preamp. PHONO bypasses it. Completely unnecessary to remove it.

    • @panicBoydotcom
      @panicBoydotcom 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      beautman1 It can't possibly affect the sound that much. The external preamp and EQ should compensate for any minute coloration.

    • @panicBoydotcom
      @panicBoydotcom 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      beautman1 Oh. You mean it's, like, a matter of opinion?

    • @yarcek
      @yarcek 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      B. Jason Ouellette no, he means all your system could be a bottle neck. if You have an "ok" system then it shouldnt make any diference.

  • @TimothyJohnAguilar
    @TimothyJohnAguilar 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Personally, I'd go with Schiit Mani preamp. I had the Pro-Ject pre but it was noisy and hot. It was warm but not worth the price. The Mani is the way to go, clear and sound stage improves dramatically. You'll definitely benefit especially with those Klipsch, which sound quite airy already. I'm running my LP-120 with a Nagaoka MP-110, Schiit Mani, Yamaha R-S201(Represent), and Elac Uni-Fi UB5s. So good, so so good!!! Private concerts for days.

    • @gemli7572
      @gemli7572 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I recently bought the Schiit Mani for my LP120. It's amazingly inexpensive, it sounds great, and it's endless fun to watch people's reaction when you tell them what you've bought.

  • @Karlinski73
    @Karlinski73 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Upgrades that are also valid for a Pro-Ject Essential 2 (except yanking the pre-amp out!).
    Fitting a 2M Red made a notable difference for me (from the factory fit 5e).

    • @raiderdave3715
      @raiderdave3715 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      And eventually you’ll run into someone with a 2M Blue and it will make you realize the Red is garbage compared to it lol. I had to fork over the $$$ but well worth the upgrade

  • @speedtee339
    @speedtee339 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just got my lp120 in the mail today. Thanks for the recommendation, it sounds very nice :D

    • @charlesbraid5778
      @charlesbraid5778 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i have had one for a few years i have made one simple improvement i bought a schiit mani pre amp as the performance from the inbuilt pre amp is very ordinary and the difference in the sound is well worth it and all you need to do is turn off the inbuilt preamp and plug the Schiit mani in and there is also different levels of gain to select from there is a number of upgrades available my next one will be head shell and cartridge ant that will do me for now

  • @neilkeogh1551
    @neilkeogh1551 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool video, I chose to upgrade my stylus but decided to go for the Audio Technica VM95EN. It's a great upgrade as its a elliptical nude stylus & it's designed to fit the AT-LP120's original headshell, so fitting it was as simple as swapping out a worn out stylus. I've also added a Cambridge Audio AXA25 amplifier with a pair of passive speakers. This is a great upgrade from the set of powered speakers I was first using when I originally got my turntable.

  • @anthonyfesta1224
    @anthonyfesta1224 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Isn’t the preamp
    Switchable?

    • @mickschnabel
      @mickschnabel 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep, so if you have an amp/receiver w/ a dedicated phono input, there is no need to do anything w/ the built in preamp on the turntable

  • @maxgraman5519
    @maxgraman5519 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have the tube box s! Its a great preamp. Sounds great with my debut carbon and my klipsch speakers. I highly recommend

  • @hash46176
    @hash46176 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i have an lp120 and i love it

  • @bassbytes
    @bassbytes 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What’s the point of getting a heavier counter weight when all you need to do is set the supplied one to a higher setting on the dial ?

    • @TheGogeta222
      @TheGogeta222 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dit you see what for a cartridge he's using? I bet that overpriced (for that setup) weights more than the standard counterweight xD

  • @1324390
    @1324390 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do I need to physically remove the built-in pre-amp in order to use an external upgraded one ? Wouldn't it be easier just switching from line to phono output and thereby by-pass that circuit ? Or it's not quite the same ?

  • @dwainthomas9
    @dwainthomas9 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you do a video on cartridges and if/ why they make a difference in sound

  • @KevinKohlhase
    @KevinKohlhase 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I do recommend changing the cartridge that comes with it when buy it it tracks to heavy. I upgraded to a better AT that tracks between 1.5 - 3.0 grams. You just need to adjust weight and antistatic, also make sure to use the protractor for your cartridge alignment. I love my Audio Technica direct drive the negative is I wish it was fully automatic. I also have a U-turn orbit plus with the acrylic platter and blue Ortofon cart.

  • @stephen579
    @stephen579 ปีที่แล้ว

    Adding a bit of sound dampening under the platter will reduce ringing,

  • @clayerik
    @clayerik 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    How slipmat make turntable sound better?

  • @TD402dd
    @TD402dd 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe add one more step to balance the entire turntable by using a center round balance or a small balance sitting on the platter. Shimming a turntable properly will improve your sound and allow you cartridge to play properly.

  • @ramrod126
    @ramrod126 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Don't have a record player, or the room to have a stereo setup...still love your channel.

  • @JoePortly
    @JoePortly 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    How about adding a Bluetooth circuit. If that could be inserted without damaging the output signal, it would be a considerable improvement

  • @CurtisLittlechild92
    @CurtisLittlechild92 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why didn't Audio Technica just add a switch to disable the preamp?

  • @AakeTraak
    @AakeTraak 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The Audio Technica LP-120 is just fine stock.

    • @okalright3941
      @okalright3941 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes it is. But you can improve it alot and make the sound even better

    • @henlofren7321
      @henlofren7321 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@okalright3941
      I spent nearly 2k on a new cartridge and the sound quality became audibly worse. The best are never worth more than $200, and I've tried dozens for ripping tens of thousands of records.

    • @JoeOrber
      @JoeOrber 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@henlofren7321 you are correct, at that point the ROI is not worth it. I recommend the Nagaoka MP-110, it sounds great with my setup

  • @dubsense
    @dubsense 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You mentioned all the pre amp details. But the only reason and the main reason for this turn table is its usb output feature. And you did not mention whether separate pre amps are available with USB out put?

  • @FixItAgainToni
    @FixItAgainToni 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So basically one of the special features of the LP-120 is the already included pre-amp (in order to be able to copy music directly to USB if you got the USB-version of this turntable) and then we go ahead and remove it from the device? Then you really could just buy an old, good used turntable for less money and get the at least same quality without changing anything, or am I wrong?