Another report! Hurray ! It seems, and you said it, you got too many ressources on your wizard and infantry. With your powerhouse of construct, you can reduce. For instance, smaller block (20? 25?)spearmen with no armor or Phalanx Chariots can be good, but are fragile (in shoot), better to have light cavalry in front to take damage first. Necropolis knights are cool ! And your army looks very well, a pleasure to watch :D Go Tomb Kings !! PS: I'm testing a Settra's list next week...don't know if it'll be good, but we testing the chariots ^^
Thanks for the comment and kid words 🙌 Definitely need to fill Core out with something actually useful. I have some chariots and archers ready to paint up, and I know some light cav would be good to screen the chariots, but realistically I think it may be a while before I get round to buying light cav for the army. I'd perhaps go down to 25 spearmen, although any less and I feel they may as well not exist - I've seen how quickly they can evaporate under enough pressure. Settra looks cool, another 'one day' project for me I think, he's probably quite a while off. Good luck using him!
@@Bigmanc6 in the faq GW mentioned it: "Q: A character mounted on a ridden monster or a chariot can choose to use their own or their mount’s armour value, whichever is better. If the character wears magic armour but I choose to use the mount’s armour value, can I still claim other benefits conferred by the magic armour? A: No. You must use a magic item fully or not at all."
@Butcherl1ke the judge explained to me is how does a 6+ value from the amour ever beat a 4+ from the dragon? Rule states, whichever is better. You would never be able to use the magic armour. I believe that faq is to clarify that you can't use the better or a different save and use the other magic armour abilities. I could be completely wrong but just how I read it.
@@Bigmanc6 A character *can* choose. If you had to use the best armour value available it would say must instead of can. It just means that if you use the Armour of Ages to stop re-rolls, you can't benefit from the dragon's 4+ save.
Well done. With 2 agressive lists.. the result Comes quickly. Yet many learnings there. 1. I prefer to show the remaining wounds... To avoid continuons question "how many remaining wounds?" From the opponant 2. Why not showing your tumb king face on your profile miniature ? 😉 3. Your community is certainly still slow to expand the Channel... Do it for your own pleasure, At your speed. No pressure.👍🏻
Thanks for the comment 👍 1. Me too, I've always done it this way and it just makes sense to me like you say. 2. Good question! I did it like this because it's tied to the channel name in a way (Arctovian Wyssan > Wyssan's Wildform > Lore of Beasts) and because Beastmen were the next army I'm working on (though they may have been pushed down the list now). But it is a bit odd that all my reports are TK and I have a Beastlord avatar. I might fix it! 3. It's been decently fast imo - the first 5 videos averaged over 130 subscribers each, which is a lot more than I expected. However I'll definitely continue at my own pace, and just record games when I'm able 👍
Good call dropping Catapult. It is devastating (albeit boring) strategy to field 2 catapults to lower LD before wiping out the unit or model with double Casket LOD. I think it is perfectly ok to field AOS daemon models, lol. The old daemon models are....just out of date. The new Necrolith dragon is a brilliant adaptation of old world style but still modern. You can always teleport your brick up front, lol.
I think the "Dice = wounds suffered" instead of remaining might come from people who played a lot of the Pokemon card game. I got into that habit in the years between Epic/Rogue Trader and getting back into GW games around 40k 7th, and most of the people I play against who didn't play CCGs find it weird. Also, you can find spindown D10s, which I find a LOT more convenient for bone dragons. You might want to try one out.
Interesting take away for me is that monsters can be stomped in this edition. Not really relevant, but I’ll need to see if that was a thing previously. From memory, I thought there was a stage where you were no longer subject to being stomped.
As far as I recall, in 8th edition there were levels of stompness but now it's been simplified to just 'if it stomps, it stomps'. Also, behemoths get AP -2 on their stomps, but they don't get the AP if they stomp another behemoth. Personally I preferred it when there were different levels of stompness.
@@Arctovianstrange, you'd expect a big thing like that to step on the smaller guys. I get a feeling the legacy army lists occasionally miss out on certain rules. The Skaven Warp Lightning cannon for example, does not inflict multiple wounds like other cannons
What a whitewash! If I were to win that easily I would feel bad. Still well played - you made all the right choices. Your opponent hiding with the bloodthirster was very silly.
It's all learning and gaining experience 👍 My opponent learnt about some of the TK units he hadn't faced before, and to be more aggressive in deployment I would think. I'm sure my TK will get demolished in time (I have lost, to Bretonnians in fact, but I didn't take any pictures as the Brets were all unpainted! I might relax that rule in future). I get why he kept the bloodthirster hidden at first though, as the greatbows are pretty scary and he has no way to be healed. Tbh it did seem like a pretty tall order for the daemons and I'm not sure what I would have done in the daemons' shoes. The scorpion and necrosphynx alone were able to manhandle multiple units without breaking a sweat 🤷♂️ next time I face them I won't take such a strong TK list
Also a scenario that randomly takes away your units for half of the game sounds pretty dumb, tbh. It's like something from the 80's when game designers didn't think twice about making games remove player agency in various, mostly random ways. Because players were an afterthought to games themselves ;)
@robertchmielecki9216 We rolled for the mission and got it randomly. Each unit rolls a D6 and only doesn't show up on a 1. Can't say it's my favourite mission but I appreciate it giving a different twist to the game, as it can throw a spanner in the works and force you to come up with a different plan than you had in mind, which I like. Of course, there's always the chance that one player won't be affected at all, as was the case here, but that's pretty unlikely. If my King and/or Ushabti had started off the table, for example, the Bloodthirster could probably have acted as an effective deterrent to the Necrosphinx early on, and it would have been a very different game.
@@robertchmielecki9216I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement. I understand what you’re saying, but your mindset is one I’m seeing more commonly in Wargamers these days, particularly from new or younger gamers who need “balanced games” and overcomplicated scenarios with multiple layers of Scoring. The concept of an unbalanced game is so alien. Old world is not those things. But with the rise of competitive warhammer, a lot of the player base think it’s the only way to play. Wargames are reflective of real world battles, and two sides of a conflict are never equal. Wargames used to make you a better player by making you outthink your opponent with tactical thinking , now it seems a lot try to “outplay “their opponents by gaming the system. Scenarios like this and breakpoint, go some way to reduce this and make you think like a commander of an army, not a player with pieces 😊
@Ipam6 Thanks! It's elvenlabs, and the voice is 'Brian'. As for the settings, I can't remember all the parameters but I have the stability down very low which allows for more interesting expressiveness. However, the downside is this makes it a bit unpredictable, so I have to do multiple passes, line-by-line in some cases, until I'm happy with the overall effect and how each line is said. imo this helps a lot to make the voice more palatable and less like an 'awkward AI voice'. I also speed it up a bit in post to make it more human-like and less stilted.
Man, with a voice like yours, you should really think about read audiobooks ( warhammer of any kind, preferably ) or do lore vids. Great narrating of the battle anyways ❤
I'm sorry to inform you that it's a text-to-speech AI voice! Yes, I'm part of the problem and am hastening the AI takeover of every human endeavour 😭 In my defence I will say that I think I go a bit further than many other people when it comes to TTS narration, and I often do multiple passes of each phrase until I'm happy with the expression and emphasis etc, which may be why it generally sounds a bit less 'stilted' than some others.
@@Arctovian Fascinating but also frightening...It's unfortunate that AI takes the things that make people individuals and turns them into a kind of commodities. Not sure whether I like this whole AI thing. Anyways, good luck with your channel.
@@Arctovian yes. From highest save characteristic. Lower save isn't thus valid choice. If you have multiple identical choose either. Choice has to be legal choice and requirement is best save characteristic. You yourself said combo is obnoxious. Unsurprisingly gw prevented it
@bakuchidancer I don't agree. You said lower save isn't a valid choice. Why isn't it? You're saying it's because the character has to choose the best save characteristic? But GW says the character MAY choose. Therefore it's not a mandatory decision. In addition, if their intention was to render the item unusable then they've been remarkably circumspect about it.
It was nice of the tomb kings infantry to show up to cheer on the constructs
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I like a battle report much better than a video of and entire battle. I prefer summaries. I hope you make more!
Thanks for the support 👍
Keep these formats rolling! Really lots of fun to watch your battle reports, highly entertaining!
12 mins is a great length, great work !
Sound like my wife..
@@sensoh touche' touche'
@@sensoh😂
Absolute Gigachad Tomb Scorpion
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Stepped on the daemon's bad leg, lol.
Loving this!
Thanks for the support 👍
Badass scorpion
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Another report! Hurray !
It seems, and you said it, you got too many ressources on your wizard and infantry. With your powerhouse of construct, you can reduce.
For instance, smaller block (20? 25?)spearmen with no armor or Phalanx
Chariots can be good, but are fragile (in shoot), better to have light cavalry in front to take damage first.
Necropolis knights are cool !
And your army looks very well, a pleasure to watch :D
Go Tomb Kings !!
PS: I'm testing a Settra's list next week...don't know if it'll be good, but we testing the chariots ^^
Thanks for the comment and kid words 🙌 Definitely need to fill Core out with something actually useful. I have some chariots and archers ready to paint up, and I know some light cav would be good to screen the chariots, but realistically I think it may be a while before I get round to buying light cav for the army.
I'd perhaps go down to 25 spearmen, although any less and I feel they may as well not exist - I've seen how quickly they can evaporate under enough pressure.
Settra looks cool, another 'one day' project for me I think, he's probably quite a while off. Good luck using him!
Are you allowed to use the armour of the ages while on a dragon?
Yep, you just can't use the dragon's full plate if you use the re-roll ability
@Arctovian Just curious as I play Tomb Kings too and have not been able to use this combo in local tournaments due to rules on pg 204.
@@Bigmanc6 in the faq GW mentioned it:
"Q: A character mounted on a ridden monster or a chariot
can choose to use their own or their mount’s armour value,
whichever is better. If the character wears magic armour but I
choose to use the mount’s armour value, can I still claim other
benefits conferred by the magic armour?
A: No. You must use a magic item fully or not at all."
@Butcherl1ke the judge explained to me is how does a 6+ value from the amour ever beat a 4+ from the dragon? Rule states, whichever is better. You would never be able to use the magic armour.
I believe that faq is to clarify that you can't use the better or a different save and use the other magic armour abilities. I could be completely wrong but just how I read it.
@@Bigmanc6 A character *can* choose. If you had to use the best armour value available it would say must instead of can. It just means that if you use the Armour of Ages to stop re-rolls, you can't benefit from the dragon's 4+ save.
Where are the necropolis knights from? =) thx!
Well done. With 2 agressive lists.. the result Comes quickly. Yet many learnings there.
1. I prefer to show the remaining wounds... To avoid continuons question "how many remaining wounds?" From the opponant
2. Why not showing your tumb king face on your profile miniature ? 😉
3. Your community is certainly still slow to expand the Channel... Do it for your own pleasure, At your speed. No pressure.👍🏻
Thanks for the comment 👍
1. Me too, I've always done it this way and it just makes sense to me like you say.
2. Good question! I did it like this because it's tied to the channel name in a way (Arctovian Wyssan > Wyssan's Wildform > Lore of Beasts) and because Beastmen were the next army I'm working on (though they may have been pushed down the list now). But it is a bit odd that all my reports are TK and I have a Beastlord avatar. I might fix it!
3. It's been decently fast imo - the first 5 videos averaged over 130 subscribers each, which is a lot more than I expected. However I'll definitely continue at my own pace, and just record games when I'm able 👍
Good call dropping Catapult. It is devastating (albeit boring) strategy to field 2 catapults to lower LD before wiping out the unit or model with double Casket LOD. I think it is perfectly ok to field AOS daemon models, lol. The old daemon models are....just out of date. The new Necrolith dragon is a brilliant adaptation of old world style but still modern. You can always teleport your brick up front, lol.
I think the "Dice = wounds suffered" instead of remaining might come from people who played a lot of the Pokemon card game. I got into that habit in the years between Epic/Rogue Trader and getting back into GW games around 40k 7th, and most of the people I play against who didn't play CCGs find it weird.
Also, you can find spindown D10s, which I find a LOT more convenient for bone dragons. You might want to try one out.
Thanks for explanation 👍
Interesting take away for me is that monsters can be stomped in this edition. Not really relevant, but I’ll need to see if that was a thing previously. From memory, I thought there was a stage where you were no longer subject to being stomped.
As far as I recall, in 8th edition there were levels of stompness but now it's been simplified to just 'if it stomps, it stomps'. Also, behemoths get AP -2 on their stomps, but they don't get the AP if they stomp another behemoth. Personally I preferred it when there were different levels of stompness.
@@Arctovian the previous great era of stomposity
Nice short report, mate. But are stomp attacks even allowed against monsters like the greater Daemon?
Yes
Yep! But if a behemoth stomps another behemoth they don't get the -2 AP on the stomp
@@Arctovian thanks for the clarification, mate. Much appreciated
@@danielvahrenholt4159 No worries! The sickening thing is, the Bloodthirster DOESN'T have any stomps itself, which is ridiculous imo
@@Arctovianstrange, you'd expect a big thing like that to step on the smaller guys.
I get a feeling the legacy army lists occasionally miss out on certain rules. The Skaven Warp Lightning cannon for example, does not inflict multiple wounds like other cannons
What a whitewash! If I were to win that easily I would feel bad. Still well played - you made all the right choices. Your opponent hiding with the bloodthirster was very silly.
It's all learning and gaining experience 👍 My opponent learnt about some of the TK units he hadn't faced before, and to be more aggressive in deployment I would think. I'm sure my TK will get demolished in time (I have lost, to Bretonnians in fact, but I didn't take any pictures as the Brets were all unpainted! I might relax that rule in future). I get why he kept the bloodthirster hidden at first though, as the greatbows are pretty scary and he has no way to be healed.
Tbh it did seem like a pretty tall order for the daemons and I'm not sure what I would have done in the daemons' shoes. The scorpion and necrosphynx alone were able to manhandle multiple units without breaking a sweat 🤷♂️ next time I face them I won't take such a strong TK list
Also a scenario that randomly takes away your units for half of the game sounds pretty dumb, tbh. It's like something from the 80's when game designers didn't think twice about making games remove player agency in various, mostly random ways. Because players were an afterthought to games themselves ;)
@robertchmielecki9216 We rolled for the mission and got it randomly. Each unit rolls a D6 and only doesn't show up on a 1. Can't say it's my favourite mission but I appreciate it giving a different twist to the game, as it can throw a spanner in the works and force you to come up with a different plan than you had in mind, which I like. Of course, there's always the chance that one player won't be affected at all, as was the case here, but that's pretty unlikely. If my King and/or Ushabti had started off the table, for example, the Bloodthirster could probably have acted as an effective deterrent to the Necrosphinx early on, and it would have been a very different game.
@@robertchmielecki9216I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement. I understand what you’re saying, but your mindset is one I’m seeing more commonly in Wargamers these days, particularly from new or younger gamers who need “balanced games” and overcomplicated scenarios with multiple layers of Scoring. The concept of an unbalanced game is so alien. Old world is not those things. But with the rise of competitive warhammer, a lot of the player base think it’s the only way to play. Wargames are reflective of real world battles, and two sides of a conflict are never equal. Wargames used to make you a better player by making you outthink your opponent with tactical thinking , now it seems a lot try to “outplay “their opponents by gaming the system. Scenarios like this and breakpoint, go some way to reduce this and make you think like a commander of an army, not a player with pieces 😊
Do you narrate with your own voice?
I wish! It's text-to-speech
@@Arctovian where do you do it and what are the settings? It's really good!
@Ipam6 Thanks! It's elvenlabs, and the voice is 'Brian'. As for the settings, I can't remember all the parameters but I have the stability down very low which allows for more interesting expressiveness. However, the downside is this makes it a bit unpredictable, so I have to do multiple passes, line-by-line in some cases, until I'm happy with the overall effect and how each line is said. imo this helps a lot to make the voice more palatable and less like an 'awkward AI voice'. I also speed it up a bit in post to make it more human-like and less stilted.
@@Arctovian thanks a lot for the detailed reply! Love your short battle reps btw 👍
@@Arctovian how did you achieve a lower voice though? I tried Brian and his voice isn't as low as in this video. Did you edit it in post?
Man, with a voice like yours, you should really think about read audiobooks ( warhammer of any kind, preferably ) or do lore vids. Great narrating of the battle anyways ❤
Pretty sure this is AI commentary, but it’s good either way!
I'm sorry to inform you that it's a text-to-speech AI voice! Yes, I'm part of the problem and am hastening the AI takeover of every human endeavour 😭 In my defence I will say that I think I go a bit further than many other people when it comes to TTS narration, and I often do multiple passes of each phrase until I'm happy with the expression and emphasis etc, which may be why it generally sounds a bit less 'stilted' than some others.
@@Arctovian Fascinating but also frightening...It's unfortunate that AI takes the things that make people individuals and turns them into a kind of commodities. Not sure whether I like this whole AI thing. Anyways, good luck with your channel.
Do the patreon. 🎉
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Armour of ages is light armour. Dragon has full plate. You use best save characteristic. Ergo your armour of age is useless as per faq
The FAQ says a character *may* choose, ergo the armour isn't useless 👍
@@Arctovian yes. From highest save characteristic. Lower save isn't thus valid choice. If you have multiple identical choose either. Choice has to be legal choice and requirement is best save characteristic.
You yourself said combo is obnoxious. Unsurprisingly gw prevented it
@bakuchidancer I don't agree. You said lower save isn't a valid choice. Why isn't it? You're saying it's because the character has to choose the best save characteristic? But GW says the character MAY choose. Therefore it's not a mandatory decision. In addition, if their intention was to render the item unusable then they've been remarkably circumspect about it.