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Full welding overalls and small welding gloves do everything the race overalls and gloves do and cost a fraction of the price, I've worn welding overalls at many track days and when I done banger racing.
@@CreateHarmony that car still exists I beleive its in poole dorset along with the gt tuning flick paint R5. I think it was P&K panel works that sprayed both of them.
If you actually want a cheap fireproof suit, try and find an issued flight suit (yes I'm telling you to go full top gun) and nomex gloves are plentiful in military towns surplus stores
Caution, nomex loses its fire retardant properties if it is washed wrong or too often. There are other better materials nowadays but none of them are invincible to being treated wrong. So an old used flightsuit may not actually do to much
I love how this series is not just "here what you can do cheap, here where you should spend" but also have tons of interesting info about how and why. Keep it up!
I spoke to Karl Reindler on the grid at Bathurst the year after his enormous fire at Barbagello. He had a few small scars on his hands but was otherwise unscathed after being in the fireball. $4k vs your life is a no brainer. Love your work 👍
Look at Romain Grosjean from his F1 crash. Still suffered burns but nothing compared to what it could have been. Like you said $4k (but can do cheaper than that) is not much compared to how much time off work, lifetime injury or worse.
working at a circuit in the uk a couple years ago i was stood having a chat with a guy who a few hours earlier had climbed out of his burning car and was basically unscathed (a couple extremely minor burns treatable with a bit of burn cream), without his kit he would have been lucky to have got out alive let alone unhurt, that was all the evidence i needed the kit isnt cheap but unless in fia competition(where expiry dates can come into play) the nomex kit lasts for many years if kept clean and looked after, you can race at uk club level with a 20 year old suit if its in good condition for example so in reality its pretty good value
As a motorcyclist who often wears Hi-VisGreen/Yellow, I have faith that some driver will smack into him and say "I didn't see him!" because they were checking TicTock or a text message
I used to work in Sabelt after I graduated in engineerig an all I can say is that what you buy it's worth every penny. The amount of effort, technology and hand work that is put in these products is unbelivable. As an Italian I can't be more proud of this all italian brand which made history in safety equipment! Thank you for having featured such a relatively niche and small brand MCM ✌
Hope you's go more into the differences of a motorcycle helmet compared to a car helmet on the second channel. I was told their main difference is the amount and intensity of impacts - motorcycle helmets are designed for a big hit (maybe a few if you bounce) and a car helmet is designed for many little hits as if it was contacting the roll cage.
Motorcycle helmets with ECE are increasingly rated for rotational resistance of your head inside the helmet (MIPS), shell design to reduce the chance that something will catch the road and snap your neck and impact testing from multiple directions multiple times not just single occurance single direction impacts against a roll cage in a car. These things (at the higher end and cutting edge) are designed for purpose after all
@@Sk1m_Beeble wool would be better so long as you can keep it wet. Early fire fighting gear was all wool because it kept its insulation properties even wet through
Marty --> Cheap -> RPM Sprint - $289 (they look like crap but are rated for entry level motorsport) Revolution Racegear's SFI 3.2/A1 rated single layer suit. This is an ideal entry level suit. (Red that looks more like Pink is perfect for Marty)
Agreed, and RPM stuff on the whole is decent quality, especially for the price. If it is ok for V8 Supercar Drivers, for entry level stuff it is enough. I use RPM boots and gloves and love them.
I absolutely love that ypu guys are still just 2 guys doing car guy things! Mogs you seem so humbled by all this safety gear. This is why I've been a follower since day dot! Thank you guys😊
Great video, something additional to remember is that safety is a system and you need the whole system for it to be effective. It is an all or nothing approach, for the utmost safety you need the full suit, gloves, shoes, helmet and HANS however you also need the supporting hardware like a cage, full containment seat, harnesses, fire systems and stripped interior. Another important note is on the difference between DOT or motorcycle helmets and SNELL or FIA rated helmets. Firstly the helmets are designed for multiple impacts against a roll cage, where as a motorcycle helmet is designed for impacts with pavement and a slide. Secondly the fireproof materials are very important and not always part of a DOT helmet.
Gloves are really important - hand injuries from hot stuff (especially hot wiring!) was by far the most common injury I saw working in Fire/Rescue/Medical over the 8 years that I was doing it at motor racing events.
I'd just like to add, wool is naturally fire resistant and a better option than cotton if you have it available to wear for a track day. It's not going to be as good as a full suit, but it will give you a little bit of extra protection over cotton.
was gonna say the same thing...we were always taught that 100% wool beats cotton every time, as far as fire resistance goes... and wet/damp wool is even better, so sweating up a storm in woollen underwear/long johns would be better than just your basic cotton reg's... 🙃🐨🇦🇺
MOOG should treat himself to one big Patagonia clothing run. Lifetime warranty and repairs. People still have their jackets from the 90's in excellent condition
Thanks for doing this! As someone who does track days, I never put much thought into the materials my clothes were made out of. I’ll definitely change to cotton long sleeves and jeans at a minimum.
Excellent video on a subject that gets over looked. While Moog's set up is more than alot of the audience is likely to get it was awesome to have an expert point out what's unacceptable. Thanks for doing this.
@@lachychops2 Not all the time. They make them in various weights now. I've got some lightweight merino wool shirts I use while mountain biking in the Summer in the Southeast US - where Summer is always hot and humid. But this stuff is not cheap with most shirts starting around $70 US.
I have heard a lot of tracks in Europe require cotton or hemp, long pants/jeans and long sleeved shirt or polo neck. Polyester is a quick way to get denied access to the track and it makes perfect sense. In the 90's when those hideous neon tracksuits were a thing, some kid on a camp at my high school caught a stray cinder from the camp fire and his whole leg caught on fire in an instant. Even with a cotton mesh under the polyester he had serious burns and a very unpleasant month or so of recovery. I have not worn pure polyester since seeing that, what a nightmare.
I've yet to see someone mention this when discussing safety equipment but at a sanctioned race event you will have a safety marshal at every post, and ERT on standby so the time it takes for someone to come help you after a crash is minimized. But at your average track day you are sometimes lucky to get anyone to volunteer at the lookouts. If you have a serious crash on the back end of a track it can take ages before someone will actually get to you to help. You are better off having all your safety equipment on at a track day if you can afford it.
The boots I think need more attention other than the fireproofing. I usually drive with my shoes off, you get so much more pedal feeling and movement with them off, but obviously its not as safe as wearing shoes, especially on the track. A racing boot is much lighter and thinner than a pair of regular shoes so it should retain much more of that extra pedal feel through your feet. that extra sensory information of feeling what the car is doing through the pedals is extremely helpful when driving fast.
I'm really glad you brought up the point about the clothes melting and burning to your skin. When I saw the thrift shopping happening, it was going through my mind! Even when I had fires in my back yard, I would make sure to let my guests know that point...
another thing about suits gloves etc is abrasion resistance especially when trying to get out of a car with broken glass etc all over the cockpit. i race here in the uk and we require the full kit even at club level but i always advise it to friends doing trackdays. at the very least a set of proban welders overalls which can be had cheaply and some gloves and if the worst every happens you will be very thankful for them and they will give you that extra few seconds to get out of the car, and any burns will be much much more minor! you always think it wont happen to you till it does and even on trackdays i dont ever go out without all my gear, its just not worth it
My big takeaway: I gotta find myself a pair of those Paramatta Eels track pants! Also from personal experience, even seemingly pricey safety gear is cheap vs a hospital bill.
Moog, the jerseys 15yrs old and has changed colour enough times to be worse than a honda with 5 different colours and rust but for some reason, it still looks great! Truly amazing!
Old mate flipping his car... A friend of mine, many years ago raced What I will call a liter sprint. In a video of bad crashes on the track, dominated with V8 sprint cars, His multi flip was highlighted. No injuries from it but he managed to get a few more inches tighter on his already tight harness while in the air.
A good poverty-tier set of fire safety gear can be found at Army/Navy surplus stores. One of the requirements for combat uniforms, particularly for vehicle crewmen, is that they smolder and not burn or melt. Flight suits in particular are a good way to get into full-coverage Nomex for as cheap as possible.
I recently outfitted myself with FIA certified racing gear for wheel to wheel racing in the USA. There's obviously in between the two examples here. I spent about 1/2 of what Moog did. It's still expensive, and Hans devices cost what they cost, but FIA-approved shoes, helmets and race suits can be had for much less. Also, it's worth noting that Hans devices are made to use with racing harnesses and NOT traditional street car seatbelts.
Money on safety is never wasted. There was a vid on YT of a crash at a track day where the driver had cheaped out on his racing harness. It broke on an impact. He was a bit winded, not sure how injured he was.
The important differences between a bike and a car helmet, is where the front face shield/opening is and the rear where the helmet ends- on a bike, you are expected to be at most sat upright, but more likely leaning slightly forwards with your head leaning backwards, so you look up out of the helmet and you need more space a the back so the helmet doesn't dig into your spine; whereas with a car, you are at most going to be upright, but more likely leaning backwards, so the opposite to the bike you will be looking slightly downwards out of the visor and need the rear to come further down to protect where your head is most likely to be.
I always see a lot of comments by guys doing track days saying "oh my car is stock" or "im only going out for a few laps. Its not a competition day" when it comes to things like race suits and hans devices etc. Fire/crashes dont know what type of car you drive or what the set up of the day is. They dont discriminate. A couple thousand dollars in safety gear vs your life/permanent damage doesnt weigh up. Safety all day!
stock air box has that long piping that is calibrated to increase power by creating drag on intake system, same as the exhaust system creates back pressure. when you switched to a k and n filter you eliminated that piping that was built into the stock air box. this opened the flow of air and removed the drag, that decreased power. now if you had kept an intake pipe, in similar size to the oem length and diameter but replaced the intake filter with the k & N one, then you would more then likley have seen the gains in HP you were looking for. marty didnt loose power because he had an intake pipe befoer his filter which allowed him to see an increase over oem instead of a decrease. buy a k&N intake pipe for your car and install it along with your k&N intake filter and you will see the results you crave.
the expression on Moog's face as Josh is talking about how Marty's clothing is basically just going to melt into his skin is pure and genuine fear. Stay Safe lads.
I added race gloves and shoes to my track setup and I was so psyched for them that I didn't bring my street shoes for the weekend. Gloves were an immediate win, and the shoes were great for putting down laps but I was stuck in my ballerina shoes the whole weekend and it huuuuurt to walk through the pits. Bring both your shoes!!!
I have a pair of sparco mid-high karting shoes i bought over 10 years ago just for funzies and even tho i’ve never done any trackdays or such, they give prestine pedal feel! Nowadays I only wear them at home with my sim rig. Edit; I quickly realised they are a pain to wear in everyday life, even if you mostly walk to and from your car, cause the soles are so thin. Hence why they collected dust in a closet til i got the sim rig.
I've got a mate, Brock Giblin who crashed at Sydney Motorsport Park in 2017 and ended up with burns to 70% of his body. He was wearing Nomex gear and it 100% saved his life. Buying time for a fellow racer to get to his car and extinguish him.
Me and a mate have a tarmac rally Mk1 Toyota MR2 which we run at clubman events. Rear 3/4 visibilty is tricky enough just with a helmet on (open tace). Add in a HANS device and it's impossibile to look over your shoulder at merges and splits to look out for other competitors.
listen up @Mighty Car Mods, new idea - You have had a Saab (Wasabi) = Moog, Subaru (Super gramps) = Marty. So it only makes sense you guys go halves and buy a Saab 9-2 (Some call it a Saabaru) Since I believe this was USD only, gives opportunity to visit new lands to explore etc, and then import a 9-2 and do a RHD conversion if possible, as I am also certain that many are potentially curious how to do a LHD -> RHD conversions etc. Been with you guys since your driveway TRD Laser days - congrats and continue to live this dream!
Also another good option for a FHR is the simpson hybrid S. They can be used with race harnesses as well as standard 3pt seatbelts in road cars making it much more versitile. I find them more comfortable than the hans devices as well
A lot of people don’t understand what drives the requirement for a suede covered wheel when using race gloves. Gloves give very little grip on a normal wheel, that is why most racing cars have a suede wheel, bare hands grip best on a smooth wheel like leather, vinyl, plastic.
I compete in a top tier national championship, safety is one thing we don't mess around with. I live by one statement "I like my skin" I wear nomex underwear under the nomex FIA race suit as an extra layer which may buy you 2 - 3 more seconds. 2 people burnt to death late last year after hitting a tree competing in the races we do. When I take my 68 mini to a track day, I'll be wearing all my gear, because I have it, just in case.
I’ve seen some bad injuries from welders wearing those moisture wicking shirts or track pants and they catch fire. They may be comfy but they go up quick and the fabric shrinks in seconds so there’s no pulling it off in time
Simpson HANS device is cheaper and more comfortable than the Stand 21 type Moog got. Race boots will also not get tangled around the pedals like runners, and give way better pedal feel. Gloves are something you didn't know you wanted until you have (and drive in) them. Balaclava is a no brainer because in addition to the fire safety aspect, IT soaks up the sweat from your head instead of it soaking into the lining of your $900 helmet and wrecking it.
Here in the USA, the Hans device became mandatory in NASCAR starting in 2002, after veteran NASCAR pilot Dale Earnhardt Sr. died on track in 2001, when he hit a wall at 155-160 MPH(249-257KPH),he refused to wear the device, which was optional at the time
Just FYI for the US watchers - full face helmets are required in any event sanctioned road racing organization. Someone's face got burned off, now no open faces. Also, even in AutoX, motorcycle helmets will get you kicked out.
Somewhere I have a custom fitted Hinchman driving suit. Back when it wasn't much more than the cheapest fire suits. Single layer, Nomex, worn over (Marty! tip here!) surplus Mil-Surp nomex long underwear. A guy I knew drove a lot of his career in oilfield coveralls(local dirt racing. Rules were "Must be fire resistant") because they were provided by his job and nomex (single layer a bit thinner than the Hinchman). Check a Surplus place for Mil or Fire Brigade stuff. You don't need full Bunker Gear, but often the shirts and pants are aramid fire resistant stuff. And I doubt i could get that Hinchman over my fat arse now-a-days. I'm well past the fit and trim 170 lbs I was back then.
Love the show, love the fairlady most of all. I know its like 4 years too late to name it but I thought Aussie Hepburn kinda fit. Love to see you do a Boxter or a 996 mod, definitely with a turbo! Best show on youtube because of the great friendship. Keep it up guys!
Loving this series and that one was a great (and different) episode. Always been involved in races be it cars and bikes and have always been told to never skimp on safety. Seen some horrific crashes that would have been a lot worse if not for safety devices in play.
I am genuinly shocked you're allowed to wear polyester at a track day. The supp regs for any track days I've been to always stipulate cotton long sleeve. I usually wear (dedicated track) Helmet, HANS device, cotton long sleeve and jeans. I always wear the same gear regardless, unless it's a motorkhana. Usually just do hillclimbs and track days. If your car is MA logbooked, you need HANs device too.
I haven't done a track day in years, but last time at Lakeside there was no stipulation of cotton. In saying that, I need a HANS this year. So that sucks. $800 I can't put into my car.
I know its Cash vs Trash, but would've been nice to point out that you dont need to spend $3,500 to get a full set of racegear. You can get helmet + hans, suit, glove and boots for a bit over $2,100 AUD. Informative episode for sure, but I hope there is one on MCMTV2 that goes a bit more in depth about the differences between gear EG motorcycle helmets being basically one impact use vs motorsport that can handle being banged around a bit more etc.
Racing Boots, you missed one of the biggest differences. Which is their very thin yet firm sole which allows great feel on the pedal. They also very slim to allow better feel in single seater cars which can have a tiny pedal box with pedals very close to each other. Given both these reason above, they also make heel-toe much easier. They also have a rubber heel that has a consistent curve which allows you to grip the floor (most race cars do not have a carpet) and help not needing any foot movement between pedals or positions. Just don't stand/walk around in them all they as horrible for that! :-)
My Teenage Daughter Yelling At Marty Through The Screen That If You Choose The Polyester Sports Wear You Should Carry a Spare Gas Can On Your Lap As Well. She Settled Down When Josh Came On and We Re-watched The Episode. We Found A Box Of Heavy Duty, Full Length, Long Sleeved, White Cotton Overalls With Some Asian Writing And Delivery Motifs That We Paid $1 For. And Yeah Open Faced Motor Bike Helmets.
Showing up to a Sunday track meet in a largely stock, yellow Suzuki Swift, wearing colormatched pro safety gear. Yup, you're definitely being that guy! 🤣 On a more serious note, if your car is stock, fire is not really much of an issue since you can still get out of the car easily. The danger in that case comes if you flip your car, and in that case i'd rather have a full cage and proper seat rather than that yellow suit, they cost almost equally as much after all. Here in Sweden a lot of guys just race in Blåkläder, fire retardant working clothes, made for welding in and such.
One thing to note also is go-pro/camera mounts attached to a helmet is a big no no. Motorsport Australia have very strict rules on what you can and can not stick onto a helmet.
Why a specific recommendation for cotton when wool has a natural fire resistance? It's not going to match a proper race suit but it's better than cotton or synthetics.
Cost probably. Seemed to me cotton was the recommendation as a minimum option rather than being THE main recommended alternative. The other thing is wool is warmer than cotton, so there's a tradeoff to be considered there.
What about a welding approved set of overalls in cotton and leather MIG/TIG welding gloves? Fireproof long sleeves and legs covered and will maybe give you more than 11seconds protection!
Hans device. Do it for Dale... edit- afaik, It's more about the forward movement of your head if there's a sudden deceleration force. In other words, your face won't hit the steering wheel whilst your shoulders are still strapped in. end game.
Glad you went to a shop and didn't purchase one online. Legitimate suits have special holographic tags on them and a few other anti-counterfeit measures.
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In the states pineapples are used for swingers to identify each other lol
Hope you supercharge the swift...
Full welding overalls and small welding gloves do everything the race overalls and gloves do and cost a fraction of the price, I've worn welding overalls at many track days and when I done banger racing.
snug fitting welder's cotton overalls are a good poor man's racesuit
In that race suit, all Moog would need is the goggles and beanie, and he'd easily make it as Australia's entrant in the World Ali G Lookalike Contest.
He's got that Ali g pizzazz to... my car goes pssh pssh
Booyakasha!
Even if Ali g entered Moog would still win 😂😂
I'm definitely seeing some Borat in that race suit..heheh 😄
@@CreateHarmony that car still exists I beleive its in poole dorset along with the gt tuning flick paint R5. I think it was P&K panel works that sprayed both of them.
Can you both do aftermarket ECU 's and make Marty get a megasquirt and tune it himself?
Id say most videos are filmed months in advance. As someone learning the megasquirt Id love to see it but highly unlikely with a Haltech sponsor
I just got legit flopsweat flashbacks to the bad old days 🤣🤣🤣🤣
never thought I'd see Marty & megasquirt in the same sentence
Even cheaper.....an FMU!
Big stuff!
CASH vs DEATH in this one lol
Everything is even cheaper when you're dead! 🤣
if not death from 3rd degree burns, then death from loyalist supporters of the Eels AND the Tigers
He's driving a 206. It won't do more than 130kmh down tbe main straight. There's no dying in a Pug
Josh's insight on the stuff that saved his life was a great addition to the episode. Also those shoes he had, wow!
I loved Moog saying “He looks ridiculous” as Marty walks away, as he is sporting his highlighter yellow suit!
If you actually want a cheap fireproof suit, try and find an issued flight suit (yes I'm telling you to go full top gun) and nomex gloves are plentiful in military towns surplus stores
I was thinking hardware store but yea military surplus is probably better.
You'd be surprised about how many towns are not military towns around here...
Caution, nomex loses its fire retardant properties if it is washed wrong or too often. There are other better materials nowadays but none of them are invincible to being treated wrong. So an old used flightsuit may not actually do to much
@@dirkmohrmann8960 But you'd look pretty rad in one tho
@@dirkmohrmann8960 that's also true, forgot that some fire retardant treatment make clothes also turn into a salt like material
Love to see the focus on safety. Definitely an important part of track days.
I love how this series is not just "here what you can do cheap, here where you should spend" but also have tons of interesting info about how and why. Keep it up!
I spoke to Karl Reindler on the grid at Bathurst the year after his enormous fire at Barbagello. He had a few small scars on his hands but was otherwise unscathed after being in the fireball. $4k vs your life is a no brainer.
Love your work 👍
thats expensive. no cheaper option i guess
Look at Romain Grosjean from his F1 crash. Still suffered burns but nothing compared to what it could have been.
Like you said $4k (but can do cheaper than that) is not much compared to how much time off work, lifetime injury or worse.
@@maddkoop I guess you start slow and then get to the 4k mark of propper racing
working at a circuit in the uk a couple years ago i was stood having a chat with a guy who a few hours earlier had climbed out of his burning car and was basically unscathed (a couple extremely minor burns treatable with a bit of burn cream), without his kit he would have been lucky to have got out alive let alone unhurt, that was all the evidence i needed the kit isnt cheap but unless in fia competition(where expiry dates can come into play) the nomex kit lasts for many years if kept clean and looked after, you can race at uk club level with a 20 year old suit if its in good condition for example so in reality its pretty good value
@@vxpenfold its a god send then. you have to serious to do that stuff too.
Moog will never get hit crossing the road at night in that suit.
Nope. The drivers will pull over before they hit hit and try to do a breathalyzer.
As a motorcyclist who often wears Hi-VisGreen/Yellow, I have faith that some driver will smack into him and say "I didn't see him!" because they were checking TicTock or a text message
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"Moog will never get hit crossing the road at night in that suit."
Doesn't matter shit splatters.
I used to work in Sabelt after I graduated in engineerig an all I can say is that what you buy it's worth every penny. The amount of effort, technology and hand work that is put in these products is unbelivable. As an Italian I can't be more proud of this all italian brand which made history in safety equipment! Thank you for having featured such a relatively niche and small brand MCM ✌
Marty looks like a civic driver who believes those gas mileage chips. Moog reminds me of a bright highlighter.
Hope you's go more into the differences of a motorcycle helmet compared to a car helmet on the second channel. I was told their main difference is the amount and intensity of impacts - motorcycle helmets are designed for a big hit (maybe a few if you bounce) and a car helmet is designed for many little hits as if it was contacting the roll cage.
also, Motorcycle helmets have slide protection that car helmets don't, and car helmets have increased fire protection.
Motorcycle helmets with ECE are increasingly rated for rotational resistance of your head inside the helmet (MIPS), shell design to reduce the chance that something will catch the road and snap your neck and impact testing from multiple directions multiple times not just single occurance single direction impacts against a roll cage in a car. These things (at the higher end and cutting edge) are designed for purpose after all
BRB might ask gran to knit me a new race suit
I would like to see a cable knit race suit.
Crochet that shiz
Make sure you ask her to use cotton wool
@@Sk1m_Beeble wool would be better so long as you can keep it wet. Early fire fighting gear was all wool because it kept its insulation properties even wet through
I've recently bought a 206 for my first car, it's nice to see people doing stuff with them, even if it is getting shity parts!!!
Marty --> Cheap -> RPM Sprint - $289 (they look like crap but are rated for entry level motorsport)
Revolution Racegear's SFI 3.2/A1 rated single layer suit.
This is an ideal entry level suit. (Red that looks more like Pink is perfect for Marty)
Agreed, and RPM stuff on the whole is decent quality, especially for the price. If it is ok for V8 Supercar Drivers, for entry level stuff it is enough. I use RPM boots and gloves and love them.
PS: Karting race suits are cheap but are not fire rated and wont pass scrutineering for any motorsport event
I absolutely love that ypu guys are still just 2 guys doing car guy things! Mogs you seem so humbled by all this safety gear. This is why I've been a follower since day dot! Thank you guys😊
Great video, something additional to remember is that safety is a system and you need the whole system for it to be effective. It is an all or nothing approach, for the utmost safety you need the full suit, gloves, shoes, helmet and HANS however you also need the supporting hardware like a cage, full containment seat, harnesses, fire systems and stripped interior.
Another important note is on the difference between DOT or motorcycle helmets and SNELL or FIA rated helmets. Firstly the helmets are designed for multiple impacts against a roll cage, where as a motorcycle helmet is designed for impacts with pavement and a slide. Secondly the fireproof materials are very important and not always part of a DOT helmet.
0:21 Yes Marty, I too wear my long shirts below and long pants above.
Gloves are really important - hand injuries from hot stuff (especially hot wiring!) was by far the most common injury I saw working in Fire/Rescue/Medical over the 8 years that I was doing it at motor racing events.
Safety stuff is all super important, and this episode was a great way to scratch the surface on staying safe on track.
I'd just like to add, wool is naturally fire resistant and a better option than cotton if you have it available to wear for a track day. It's not going to be as good as a full suit, but it will give you a little bit of extra protection over cotton.
was gonna say the same thing...we were always taught that 100% wool beats cotton every time, as far as fire resistance goes... and wet/damp wool is even better, so sweating up a storm in woollen underwear/long johns would be better than just your basic cotton reg's...
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I want to say, this is probably the best/most important episode of the series. Love you guys
In many military surplus stores you can find nomex flight suits and gloves. Not as stylish as a race suit but much more affordable.
MOOG should treat himself to one big Patagonia clothing run. Lifetime warranty and repairs. People still have their jackets from the 90's in excellent condition
Patagonia is a trash liberal company.
He's already got the collection of stickers in his Jimny - that's all anyone will ever need.
Or he just keeps wearing the clothes he has instead of buying a whole new wardrobe to be sustainable… Patagonia has great marketing though.
Thanks for doing this! As someone who does track days, I never put much thought into the materials my clothes were made out of. I’ll definitely change to cotton long sleeves and jeans at a minimum.
Excellent video on a subject that gets over looked. While Moog's set up is more than alot of the audience is likely to get it was awesome to have an expert point out what's unacceptable. Thanks for doing this.
If I'm not mistaken Wool is very fire resistant and relatively cheap and easy to get a hold of
The downside is that it's very bloody hot 😂
@@lachychops2 Not all the time. They make them in various weights now. I've got some lightweight merino wool shirts I use while mountain biking in the Summer in the Southeast US - where Summer is always hot and humid. But this stuff is not cheap with most shirts starting around $70 US.
I have heard a lot of tracks in Europe require cotton or hemp, long pants/jeans and long sleeved shirt or polo neck. Polyester is a quick way to get denied access to the track and it makes perfect sense.
In the 90's when those hideous neon tracksuits were a thing, some kid on a camp at my high school caught a stray cinder from the camp fire and his whole leg caught on fire in an instant. Even with a cotton mesh under the polyester he had serious burns and a very unpleasant month or so of recovery. I have not worn pure polyester since seeing that, what a nightmare.
I've yet to see someone mention this when discussing safety equipment but at a sanctioned race event you will have a safety marshal at every post, and ERT on standby so the time it takes for someone to come help you after a crash is minimized. But at your average track day you are sometimes lucky to get anyone to volunteer at the lookouts. If you have a serious crash on the back end of a track it can take ages before someone will actually get to you to help. You are better off having all your safety equipment on at a track day if you can afford it.
Quite enjoying this series
The boots I think need more attention other than the fireproofing.
I usually drive with my shoes off, you get so much more pedal feeling and movement with them off, but obviously its not as safe as wearing shoes, especially on the track.
A racing boot is much lighter and thinner than a pair of regular shoes so it should retain much more of that extra pedal feel through your feet. that extra sensory information of feeling what the car is doing through the pedals is extremely helpful when driving fast.
“Something Honda Civic owners have a lot of experience with” 😂
I'm really glad you brought up the point about the clothes melting and burning to your skin. When I saw the thrift shopping happening, it was going through my mind! Even when I had fires in my back yard, I would make sure to let my guests know that point...
another thing about suits gloves etc is abrasion resistance especially when trying to get out of a car with broken glass etc all over the cockpit. i race here in the uk and we require the full kit even at club level but i always advise it to friends doing trackdays. at the very least a set of proban welders overalls which can be had cheaply and some gloves and if the worst every happens you will be very thankful for them and they will give you that extra few seconds to get out of the car, and any burns will be much much more minor! you always think it wont happen to you till it does and even on trackdays i dont ever go out without all my gear, its just not worth it
My big takeaway: I gotta find myself a pair of those Paramatta Eels track pants!
Also from personal experience, even seemingly pricey safety gear is cheap vs a hospital bill.
I saw something similar in a popular car channel but I honestly think you guys are doing it better and with way more useful information - and fun!
Moog, the jerseys 15yrs old and has changed colour enough times to be worse than a honda with 5 different colours and rust but for some reason, it still looks great! Truly amazing!
Old mate flipping his car... A friend of mine, many years ago raced What I will call a liter sprint. In a video of bad crashes on the track, dominated with V8 sprint cars, His multi flip was highlighted. No injuries from it but he managed to get a few more inches tighter on his already tight harness while in the air.
A good poverty-tier set of fire safety gear can be found at Army/Navy surplus stores. One of the requirements for combat uniforms, particularly for vehicle crewmen, is that they smolder and not burn or melt. Flight suits in particular are a good way to get into full-coverage Nomex for as cheap as possible.
I recently outfitted myself with FIA certified racing gear for wheel to wheel racing in the USA. There's obviously in between the two examples here. I spent about 1/2 of what Moog did. It's still expensive, and Hans devices cost what they cost, but FIA-approved shoes, helmets and race suits can be had for much less. Also, it's worth noting that Hans devices are made to use with racing harnesses and NOT traditional street car seatbelts.
Money on safety is never wasted. There was a vid on YT of a crash at a track day where the driver had cheaped out on his racing harness. It broke on an impact. He was a bit winded, not sure how injured he was.
Marty was on to something in the thrift shop because wool is fire resistant unlike those tracksuit bottoms which are about as flammable as you can get
The important differences between a bike and a car helmet, is where the front face shield/opening is and the rear where the helmet ends- on a bike, you are expected to be at most sat upright, but more likely leaning slightly forwards with your head leaning backwards, so you look up out of the helmet and you need more space a the back so the helmet doesn't dig into your spine; whereas with a car, you are at most going to be upright, but more likely leaning backwards, so the opposite to the bike you will be looking slightly downwards out of the visor and need the rear to come further down to protect where your head is most likely to be.
I always see a lot of comments by guys doing track days saying "oh my car is stock" or "im only going out for a few laps. Its not a competition day" when it comes to things like race suits and hans devices etc. Fire/crashes dont know what type of car you drive or what the set up of the day is. They dont discriminate. A couple thousand dollars in safety gear vs your life/permanent damage doesnt weigh up. Safety all day!
stock air box has that long piping that is calibrated to increase power by creating drag on intake system, same as the exhaust system creates back pressure. when you switched to a k and n filter you eliminated that piping that was built into the stock air box. this opened the flow of air and removed the drag, that decreased power. now if you had kept an intake pipe, in similar size to the oem length and diameter but replaced the intake filter with the k & N one, then you would more then likley have seen the gains in HP you were looking for.
marty didnt loose power because he had an intake pipe befoer his filter which allowed him to see an increase over oem instead of a decrease. buy a k&N intake pipe for your car and install it along with your k&N intake filter and you will see the results you crave.
the expression on Moog's face as Josh is talking about how Marty's clothing is basically just going to melt into his skin is pure and genuine fear. Stay Safe lads.
I added race gloves and shoes to my track setup and I was so psyched for them that I didn't bring my street shoes for the weekend. Gloves were an immediate win, and the shoes were great for putting down laps but I was stuck in my ballerina shoes the whole weekend and it huuuuurt to walk through the pits. Bring both your shoes!!!
I have a pair of sparco mid-high karting shoes i bought over 10 years ago just for funzies and even tho i’ve never done any trackdays or such, they give prestine pedal feel!
Nowadays I only wear them at home with my sim rig.
Edit; I quickly realised they are a pain to wear in everyday life, even if you mostly walk to and from your car, cause the soles are so thin. Hence why they collected dust in a closet til i got the sim rig.
I've got a mate, Brock Giblin who crashed at Sydney Motorsport Park in 2017 and ended up with burns to 70% of his body. He was wearing Nomex gear and it 100% saved his life. Buying time for a fellow racer to get to his car and extinguish him.
Me and a mate have a tarmac rally Mk1 Toyota MR2 which we run at clubman events. Rear 3/4 visibilty is tricky enough just with a helmet on (open tace). Add in a HANS device and it's impossibile to look over your shoulder at merges and splits to look out for other competitors.
Yeah I'm not a fan of HANS. It's so uncomfortable. I have to get someone to close my door for me when I'm strapped in. Seems less than safe.
listen up @Mighty Car Mods, new idea - You have had a Saab (Wasabi) = Moog, Subaru (Super gramps) = Marty. So it only makes sense you guys go halves and buy a Saab 9-2 (Some call it a Saabaru)
Since I believe this was USD only, gives opportunity to visit new lands to explore etc, and then import a 9-2 and do a RHD conversion if possible, as I am also certain that many are potentially curious how to do a LHD -> RHD conversions etc.
Been with you guys since your driveway TRD Laser days - congrats and continue to live this dream!
Also another good option for a FHR is the simpson hybrid S. They can be used with race harnesses as well as standard 3pt seatbelts in road cars making it much more versitile. I find them more comfortable than the hans devices as well
And it's my understanding that you CANNOT use a Hans device with standard seatbelts.
@@ragweedmakesmesneeze correct. Hans are only compatible with harnesses. The Simpson hybrid s is the only FHR that is compatible with 3pt seatbelts
A lot of people don’t understand what drives the requirement for a suede covered wheel when using race gloves. Gloves give very little grip on a normal wheel, that is why most racing cars have a suede wheel, bare hands grip best on a smooth wheel like leather, vinyl, plastic.
The shots fired at 1:10 onwards were just absolutely savagery and I respect it.
I compete in a top tier national championship, safety is one thing we don't mess around with. I live by one statement "I like my skin" I wear nomex underwear under the nomex FIA race suit as an extra layer which may buy you 2 - 3 more seconds. 2 people burnt to death late last year after hitting a tree competing in the races we do. When I take my 68 mini to a track day, I'll be wearing all my gear, because I have it, just in case.
Granted, both Marty and Moog have a tasteful choice of colors for their outfits! 👌
I’ve seen some bad injuries from welders wearing those moisture wicking shirts or track pants and they catch fire. They may be comfy but they go up quick and the fabric shrinks in seconds so there’s no pulling it off in time
Simpson HANS device is cheaper and more comfortable than the Stand 21 type Moog got. Race boots will also not get tangled around the pedals like runners, and give way better pedal feel. Gloves are something you didn't know you wanted until you have (and drive in) them. Balaclava is a no brainer because in addition to the fire safety aspect, IT soaks up the sweat from your head instead of it soaking into the lining of your $900 helmet and wrecking it.
Really fantastic advice! I never new that you should wear cotton if you didnt have the expensive gear
Anyone know what song is playing in the background at 0:14? I've been looking through lots of Moogs stuff, but can't seem to find it anywhere :/
Here in the USA, the Hans device became mandatory in NASCAR starting in 2002, after veteran NASCAR pilot Dale Earnhardt Sr. died on track in 2001, when he hit a wall at 155-160 MPH(249-257KPH),he refused to wear the device, which was optional at the time
oog getting the most camera friendly colour on purpose...love it.
Just FYI for the US watchers - full face helmets are required in any event sanctioned road racing organization. Someone's face got burned off, now no open faces. Also, even in AutoX, motorcycle helmets will get you kicked out.
Somewhere I have a custom fitted Hinchman driving suit. Back when it wasn't much more than the cheapest fire suits. Single layer, Nomex, worn over (Marty! tip here!) surplus Mil-Surp nomex long underwear. A guy I knew drove a lot of his career in oilfield coveralls(local dirt racing. Rules were "Must be fire resistant") because they were provided by his job and nomex (single layer a bit thinner than the Hinchman). Check a Surplus place for Mil or Fire Brigade stuff. You don't need full Bunker Gear, but often the shirts and pants are aramid fire resistant stuff.
And I doubt i could get that Hinchman over my fat arse now-a-days. I'm well past the fit and trim 170 lbs I was back then.
Love the show, love the fairlady most of all. I know its like 4 years too late to name it but I thought Aussie Hepburn kinda fit. Love to see you do a Boxter or a 996 mod, definitely with a turbo! Best show on youtube because of the great friendship. Keep it up guys!
Getting better each vid,
Loving this series and that one was a great (and different) episode. Always been involved in races be it cars and bikes and have always been told to never skimp on safety.
Seen some horrific crashes that would have been a lot worse if not for safety devices in play.
4:14 🤣🤣
Moog: I spent 3500$
Marty: Facial expression, priceless
What about wool vs cotton? You know like merino wool shirts etc
Ahh yes. The Stig's lesser known aussie cousin.
The techno banana. 😂
Very informative definitely worth looking into if you doing lots of track days.
Wool has better fire-resistan properties compared to cotton, so that might be the better alternative.
Being the best 4wd (and camping) channel on the planet, I thought wool undergarmets would get a mention. Merino for camping and racing? or not?
I am genuinly shocked you're allowed to wear polyester at a track day.
The supp regs for any track days I've been to always stipulate cotton long sleeve.
I usually wear (dedicated track) Helmet, HANS device, cotton long sleeve and jeans.
I always wear the same gear regardless, unless it's a motorkhana. Usually just do hillclimbs and track days.
If your car is MA logbooked, you need HANs device too.
I’m in the USA and have never been able to wear anything but cotton to a track day either.
I haven't done a track day in years, but last time at Lakeside there was no stipulation of cotton.
In saying that, I need a HANS this year. So that sucks. $800 I can't put into my car.
Loving the intro music to this series 👌
Longevity of Moog's personal clothing SO THAT he can spend the farm on one outfit for his occasional track days 🥇😂
I know its Cash vs Trash, but would've been nice to point out that you dont need to spend $3,500 to get a full set of racegear. You can get helmet + hans, suit, glove and boots for a bit over $2,100 AUD. Informative episode for sure, but I hope there is one on MCMTV2 that goes a bit more in depth about the differences between gear EG motorcycle helmets being basically one impact use vs motorsport that can handle being banged around a bit more etc.
Not according to the internet. If you don't spend $28,000 on your helmet you'll come unstuck on turn 1 and die in a fiery crash
Agreed. I think with safety equipment they should do what HiLow has done and just bought the cheapest FIA rated equipment.
@@mexibobor I think pointing out that polyester is a no o was good, but yeah wouldve been nice for them to show the low end cost of buying some gear
Racing Boots, you missed one of the biggest differences. Which is their very thin yet firm sole which allows great feel on the pedal. They also very slim to allow better feel in single seater cars which can have a tiny pedal box with pedals very close to each other. Given both these reason above, they also make heel-toe much easier. They also have a rubber heel that has a consistent curve which allows you to grip the floor (most race cars do not have a carpet) and help not needing any foot movement between pedals or positions. Just don't stand/walk around in them all they as horrible for that! :-)
My Teenage Daughter Yelling At Marty Through The Screen That If You Choose The Polyester Sports Wear You Should Carry a Spare Gas Can On Your Lap As Well. She Settled Down When Josh Came On and We Re-watched The Episode. We Found A Box Of Heavy Duty, Full Length, Long Sleeved, White Cotton Overalls With Some Asian Writing And Delivery Motifs That We Paid $1 For. And Yeah Open Faced Motor Bike Helmets.
My eyes need an ambulance 🫣
Im rallying and had a frontal crash with a big rock. Im 100% confident to say that the hans saved me
This was actually super educational. I really appreciate it!
Moog looks like a starter character for any racing game. You only get to choose the one color for your outfit and standard gear
Being in a Peugeot, Marty is the one that should be wearing a fire proof vest
i learned something today. thanks guys!
Showing up to a Sunday track meet in a largely stock, yellow Suzuki Swift, wearing colormatched pro safety gear. Yup, you're definitely being that guy! 🤣
On a more serious note, if your car is stock, fire is not really much of an issue since you can still get out of the car easily. The danger in that case comes if you flip your car, and in that case i'd rather have a full cage and proper seat rather than that yellow suit, they cost almost equally as much after all.
Here in Sweden a lot of guys just race in Blåkläder, fire retardant working clothes, made for welding in and such.
Full Canadian tuxedo for track days, got it.
Did the guys do anything about the stupidly close together pedals in the Pug yet?
I got bike leather pants and Alpine Star boots at an op shop. Raced in them too!
One thing to note also is go-pro/camera mounts attached to a helmet is a big no no.
Motorsport Australia have very strict rules on what you can and can not stick onto a helmet.
Why a specific recommendation for cotton when wool has a natural fire resistance? It's not going to match a proper race suit but it's better than cotton or synthetics.
Cost probably. Seemed to me cotton was the recommendation as a minimum option rather than being THE main recommended alternative.
The other thing is wool is warmer than cotton, so there's a tradeoff to be considered there.
What about a welding approved set of overalls in cotton and leather MIG/TIG welding gloves? Fireproof long sleeves and legs covered and will maybe give you more than 11seconds protection!
How about merino wool?
Hans device.
Do it for Dale...
edit- afaik, It's more about the forward movement of your head if there's a sudden deceleration force.
In other words, your face won't hit the steering wheel whilst your shoulders are still strapped in. end game.
100% wool garments from a charity shop are cheap & it's a natural fiber so no melty melty, new wool 🩲 & 🧦 are added protection
Marty's clothes rules at the beginning earned my like!
"look like the owner of an Exige but I don't work in IT" I nearly spat out a mouthful of tea 😂
I wore my MCM hoodie to my last track day. I just checked, and it's 28% polyester, so maybe that wasn't a great idea.
Glad you went to a shop and didn't purchase one online. Legitimate suits have special holographic tags on them and a few other anti-counterfeit measures.