We've established our proper sag settings for a rider of average weight. Now we look at the rebound settings front and back, and we balance the bike for a comfortable, safe ride.
@black2011gt for $20 via PayPal I can send your friends settings via email based on year make model, body weight and type of use. They also need to understand that suspension needs to be serviced like engine oil does. If I went on the road ext year nationwide, so you think in your area there would be good attendance if I showed up for a couple of days? Dave Moss Host
@schwantz3434 Craig - thanks for the email and glad that all helped you have a safer and better handling bike. Please email ottmatye@gmail.com for part 3. He's the video keeper :) I will gladly accept the PayPal "beer" via catalyst_moss@yahoo.com. Where re you in the UK? Dave Moss Host
Everything in 2 longer parts. Search for: PART 1 Performance Upgrades GSX-R600 Setting Sag PART 2 Performance Upgrades GSX-R600 Setting Sag 2 On OnTheThrottle.TV
Sadly I don't think so but I know I would attend. I live in Louisiana. I'm about 100 miles from Dallas,TX. Only me and about two other guys I know have concern for a bike's weight, handling, braking, suspension, basically the things that make it a super sport. But most guys (around here) just lower and stretch their bikes and go to the drag strip. Only me and one other guy actually plan to track our bikes, and that's mostly because we want to be better riders and learn to ride our bikes th
Oh ok sorry I read through some posts and I saw what you said about lowered bikes. I will just try and find some stock dogbone links on Ebay or somewhere. also my rebound adjustment on my rear shock, seems to be free wheeling it doesn't stop, I can infinitely spin it left or right. Do I need to change my compression setting too or is my shock destroyed? I am the 3rd owner I suppose one of the previous owners or whoever they paid to lower it may have tinkered with it and broken it.
@SportbikeWrench yeah dave i found your paypal,and i found a vid posted by ott only a month old that shows you going into detail on comp.....(pt3).again all good for me when i altered my settings,although i feel the rear squat under hard throttle in 2nd 3rd,should i try a bit more rear comp?hi/lo?or preload?im bang on an inch and a quarter at the moment.i get the new hd vio pov next week i will point it at the bouncy bits and upload,and ask you to take a look?i live in andover,hampshire,cheers.
only a half turn on rebound? Seems kind of overkill. Wouldnt it be best to find the softer rebound setting that still eliminates pogo? Especially for riding track...dude if Im trail braking deep into a corner and my forks rebound like that...guess what...contact patch on front tire shrinks...loss of traction and tucked front tire.
Idk if its just me, but i did everything in this video and i cant get the front to move more than half an inch. i weight 168. i turn counter clockwise, on both forks, im 2 turns away from dead bottom and still only half an inch. Maybe just really old fork oil? any ideas...
greetings from across the pond and cheers dave, i have just transformed the handling of my k8 600 after following your vid.as others have said,can we have part 3 please? i am going to buy you a beer through paypal if i can? all the best,craig
*Learn to ride our bikes the way they are designed to be ridden. So it won't be such a waste of technology and capability when we could've bought tourers instead.
@black2011gt get the stock links and then measure sag carefully. You may be in the ball park. The rebound adjuster should turn 3.5 times for total range so if it spins more than that look for a used shock on eBay to replace it. Under no circumstances do you go fast until the suspension is set and the rear links are put back to stock. The lowering links are worth $150 or so and sell them! :) Dave Moss Host
@NoBrakes914 Change the 5w to 10w at the next oil change, unless you live in a very cold environment (Alaska etc). 10w comes standard. Forks: preload at 7 turns in, rebound at .5 out, compression at 1 turn out Shock: leave preload alone, low speed compression at 2.5 turns out, high speed compression at 1.5 turns out and rebound at 2 turns out Dave Moss Host
@obergsp the rear suspension is just a little more compressed, not as much as you think. You can set sag as is but remember as the bike is lowered you must set sag stiffer than normal (eg: 1.5" for the forks and 1" for the rear). Also make sure you reposition your forks correctly to match the lowering in the rear. Dave Moss Host
@paintballa95 could be over filled with oil, stopping fork travel, could be too much installed preload if different springs have been installed - those are the 2 main causes of loss of travel/can't reach the bottom out area. Dave Moss Host
@black2011gt My guess was that on some of the central/east coast areas there are not much in the way of twisties hence the craze for extended swing arm street drifting etc. If the tour comes to fruition I will be going east to west through Texas. Thanks! Dave Moss Host
You can watch the live show tomorrow on Ustream/onthethrottlelive at 6pm Pacific as the topic is compression damping. It will be an hour long and I will be taking questions live. Dave Moss Host
@yakitoriPB We use settings that eliminate pogo to maintain a consistent contact patch as opposed to one that varies as the forks rise and fall. Therefore with consistent skilled trail braking, the rider has excellent front end feel and does not have to fight any pogo in the forks. Dave Moss Host
Thanks for the question! The flat head is ground to be wide and blunt, so as to not ruin the locking ring. Often times there's not quite enough room to get the right torque by hand, so I always go this route to make sure. Nothing worse than a lock ring spinning free and the shock preload potentially being changed while riding. Dave Moss Host
@kktr79 thank you - now tell others how important this is and get them to set their bike up so we can spread the knowledge and cut down the risks for everyone. Thanks again. Dave Moss Host
Matt, Contact ottmatyeatgmaildotcom who has all of the archived material. I couldn't find part 3 on all our channels, so he's your man at this point. Dave Moss Host
i have a 2008 gsxr600 with a vortex lower kit. i am 200 lbs and my front fork goes from 4 inches to three inches and my rear goes from 21 1/2 to 20 1/2 inches. does lowering the bike make these measurements ok or do i need adjusting?
So- I have a 2005 GSXR 1000 with stock suspension. Front oil has just been changed and new seals installed. Unknown maintenance on rear shock. I'm 165# riding weight, and can only get 20mm sag front and rear with the bike balanced. The rear spring has nearly all the preload out. Front spring adjuster is 6 threads out, rebound is 10 turns out (14 total) and compression is 12 clicks out (24 total clicks). I can get more sag out of the front, but not the rear with the stock yellow spring. Is it likely I'm going to have to replace the rear spring with a softer spring?
I ride a 2008 R6 and I am 5'5", 135 lbs. I decided use a lowering kit on my bike for better control. Since the rear suspension is already compressed more than usual, do I need to extend my lowering links before I set the sag? Or can I keep the lower setting and start from there?
But thanks so much Dave. I wish I had searched and found this before I went piddling with my 07 gsxr600. My problem is I don't have a set of those spring wrenches for the rear spring. Also the fool I bought my bike from lowered it with the suspension links that are shorter than factory, the bike was unbearably stiff at first. I still need to get the factory rear suspension links before I go anywhere near a track or is it possible to race (learn to race) with the rear lowered about an inch?
@SportbikeWrench I dont doubt it. I am just curious what adjustments (if any) the owner of that bike decided to tweek after riding a bit. For me...suspension is something Im constantly working with and checking all the time, as well as tires. You would be suprised how many riders fail to even check the tires....which are the foundation of traction
I am looking for part three of this video to find out how compression works and how to set it but cant find it. What would i look for when setting compression damping? Thx in advance. Tou
Hi,Dave I did little adjustments on the front today ,its was hell of a difference in riding experience ,was very light in turning & smooth RIDE . Thanks a ton for sharing your expertise . I will try to adjust the rear rebound soon .
I never thought I would understand it. My friends and guys I ride with tell me not to mess with factory settings. But you make it perfectly clear as to how to adjust a sport bike's suspension. This is the best video of it's kind, PERIOD. I'm going to show this to all of my riding buddies. Some of my buddies are 140lbs and some are 300lbs and they didn't believe me that they can set the bike up for their weight. I told my 300lb friend he probably needs spring/oil upgrade for best results?
Thanks for making this video. I know now I need to stiffen up the rear by adjusting the shock. Guess we will see what my ol' bike runs like when I am done. Great info, thanks again
7:45 you say the back will drop when you get on the gas, i've been told this is a common misconception, the rear actually rises when we get on the gas?
Hi Dave . can you make suspension set up video for 2011-2015 gsxr600 ?
@black2011gt for $20 via PayPal I can send your friends settings via email based on year make model, body weight and type of use. They also need to understand that suspension needs to be serviced like engine oil does. If I went on the road ext year nationwide, so you think in your area there would be good attendance if I showed up for a couple of days?
Dave Moss
Host
@schwantz3434 Craig - thanks for the email and glad that all helped you have a safer and better handling bike. Please email ottmatye@gmail.com for part 3. He's the video keeper :) I will gladly accept the PayPal "beer" via catalyst_moss@yahoo.com.
Where re you in the UK?
Dave Moss
Host
Everything in 2 longer parts.
Search for:
PART 1
Performance Upgrades GSX-R600 Setting Sag
PART 2
Performance Upgrades GSX-R600 Setting Sag 2
On OnTheThrottle.TV
Sadly I don't think so but I know I would attend. I live in Louisiana. I'm about 100 miles from Dallas,TX. Only me and about two other guys I know have concern for a bike's weight, handling, braking, suspension, basically the things that make it a super sport. But most guys (around here) just lower and stretch their bikes and go to the drag strip. Only me and one other guy actually plan to track our bikes, and that's mostly because we want to be better riders and learn to ride our bikes th
Oh ok sorry I read through some posts and I saw what you said about lowered bikes. I will just try and find some stock dogbone links on Ebay or somewhere. also my rebound adjustment on my rear shock, seems to be free wheeling it doesn't stop, I can infinitely spin it left or right. Do I need to change my compression setting too or is my shock destroyed? I am the 3rd owner I suppose one of the previous owners or whoever they paid to lower it may have tinkered with it and broken it.
@SportbikeWrench yeah dave i found your paypal,and i found a vid posted by ott only a month old that shows you going into detail on comp.....(pt3).again all good for me when i altered my settings,although i feel the rear squat under hard throttle in 2nd 3rd,should i try a bit more rear comp?hi/lo?or preload?im bang on an inch and a quarter at the moment.i get the new hd vio pov next week i will point it at the bouncy bits and upload,and ask you to take a look?i live in andover,hampshire,cheers.
only a half turn on rebound? Seems kind of overkill. Wouldnt it be best to find the softer rebound setting that still eliminates pogo? Especially for riding track...dude if Im trail braking deep into a corner and my forks rebound like that...guess what...contact patch on front tire shrinks...loss of traction and tucked front tire.
LOVE the MMP (umc) map on the wall! Great video! Thanks for sharing!
Idk if its just me, but i did everything in this video and i cant get the front to move more than half an inch. i weight 168. i turn counter clockwise, on both forks, im 2 turns away from dead bottom and still only half an inch. Maybe just really old fork oil? any ideas...
greetings from across the pond and cheers dave, i have just transformed the handling of my k8 600 after following your vid.as others have said,can we have part 3 please?
i am going to buy you a beer through paypal if i can?
all the best,craig
*Learn to ride our bikes the way they are designed to be ridden. So it won't be such a waste of technology and capability when we could've bought tourers instead.
Hey Dave......wouldnt the hammer and flat head damage the lock nut?..... why not just torque it w/ the spanner?.....
thanks
ive set compression and rebound but its havent done sag since most of the time i work alone. I ride a gsxr600 k3
I'll tell ya one thing...listening to this music I can assure you there was no sag in my pants! LOL!
love these videos i have a 09 gsxr 600 and have learned a ton about my bike
if it wasnt for dave moss i would never never known how to do this or even wth is that
@black2011gt get the stock links and then measure sag carefully. You may be in the ball park. The rebound adjuster should turn 3.5 times for total range so if it spins more than that look for a used shock on eBay to replace it. Under no circumstances do you go fast until the suspension is set and the rear links are put back to stock. The lowering links are worth $150 or so and sell them! :)
Dave Moss
Host
@NoBrakes914 Change the 5w to 10w at the next oil change, unless you live in a very cold environment (Alaska etc). 10w comes standard.
Forks: preload at 7 turns in, rebound at .5 out, compression at 1 turn out
Shock: leave preload alone, low speed compression at 2.5 turns out, high speed compression at 1.5 turns out and rebound at 2 turns out
Dave Moss
Host
@obergsp the rear suspension is just a little more compressed, not as much as you think. You can set sag as is but remember as the bike is lowered you must set sag stiffer than normal (eg: 1.5" for the forks and 1" for the rear). Also make sure you reposition your forks correctly to match the lowering in the rear.
Dave Moss
Host
@paintballa95 could be over filled with oil, stopping fork travel, could be too much installed preload if different springs have been installed - those are the 2 main causes of loss of travel/can't reach the bottom out area.
Dave Moss
Host
@black2011gt My guess was that on some of the central/east coast areas there are not much in the way of twisties hence the craze for extended swing arm street drifting etc. If the tour comes to fruition I will be going east to west through Texas. Thanks!
Dave Moss
Host
You can watch the live show tomorrow on Ustream/onthethrottlelive at 6pm Pacific as the topic is compression damping. It will be an hour long and I will be taking questions live.
Dave Moss
Host
@yakitoriPB we know of very few riders that check their tires weekly let alone daily! Many don't even check them at the track. Scary.
Dave Moss
Host
@yakitoriPB We use settings that eliminate pogo to maintain a consistent contact patch as opposed to one that varies as the forks rise and fall. Therefore with consistent skilled trail braking, the rider has excellent front end feel and does not have to fight any pogo in the forks.
Dave Moss
Host
Thanks for the question!
The flat head is ground to be wide and blunt, so as to not ruin the locking ring. Often times there's not quite enough room to get the right torque by hand, so I always go this route to make sure. Nothing worse than a lock ring spinning free and the shock preload potentially being changed while riding.
Dave Moss
Host
@kktr79 thank you - now tell others how important this is and get them to set their bike up so we can spread the knowledge and cut down the risks for everyone. Thanks again.
Dave Moss
Host
Matt,
Contact ottmatyeatgmaildotcom who has all of the archived material. I couldn't find part 3 on all our channels, so he's your man at this point.
Dave Moss
Host
i have a 2008 gsxr600 with a vortex lower kit. i am 200 lbs and my front fork goes from 4 inches to three inches and my rear goes from 21 1/2 to 20 1/2 inches. does lowering the bike make these measurements ok or do i need adjusting?
So- I have a 2005 GSXR 1000 with stock suspension. Front oil has just been changed and new seals installed. Unknown maintenance on rear shock. I'm 165# riding weight, and can only get 20mm sag front and rear with the bike balanced. The rear spring has nearly all the preload out. Front spring adjuster is 6 threads out, rebound is 10 turns out (14 total) and compression is 12 clicks out (24 total clicks). I can get more sag out of the front, but not the rear with the stock yellow spring. Is it likely I'm going to have to replace the rear spring with a softer spring?
do you get paid for the music? destroys the video
Max,
Thanks for the kind words.!
Have you actually set sag and used the video for your own or others needs?
Dave Moss
Host
I ride a 2008 R6 and I am 5'5", 135 lbs. I decided use a lowering kit on my bike for better control. Since the rear suspension is already compressed more than usual, do I need to extend my lowering links before I set the sag? Or can I keep the lower setting and start from there?
But thanks so much Dave. I wish I had searched and found this before I went piddling with my 07 gsxr600. My problem is I don't have a set of those spring wrenches for the rear spring. Also the fool I bought my bike from lowered it with the suspension links that are shorter than factory, the bike was unbearably stiff at first. I still need to get the factory rear suspension links before I go anywhere near a track or is it possible to race (learn to race) with the rear lowered about an inch?
@SportbikeWrench I dont doubt it. I am just curious what adjustments (if any) the owner of that bike decided to tweek after riding a bit. For me...suspension is something Im constantly working with and checking all the time, as well as tires. You would be suprised how many riders fail to even check the tires....which are the foundation of traction
where is part 3? i gotta see it!
I am looking for part three of this video to find out how compression works and how to set it but cant find it. What would i look for when setting compression damping?
Thx in advance.
Tou
Where is the "part 3" about compression settings???
th-cam.com/video/conLHYxE_kQ/w-d-xo.html
Here it is part 3 compression settings
@@raulfalcon4031 Thanks! Starts at th-cam.com/video/conLHYxE_kQ/w-d-xo.html
not sure where Chris posted it email him at 0ttmatye@gmail.com
I'm enjoying this a lot.
Please provide the link for Part 3 !!!!
Hi,Dave
I did little adjustments on the front today ,its was hell of a difference in riding experience ,was very light in turning & smooth RIDE .
Thanks a ton for sharing your expertise .
I will try to adjust the rear rebound soon .
I never thought I would understand it. My friends and guys I ride with tell me not to mess with factory settings. But you make it perfectly clear as to how to adjust a sport bike's suspension. This is the best video of it's kind, PERIOD. I'm going to show this to all of my riding buddies. Some of my buddies are 140lbs and some are 300lbs and they didn't believe me that they can set the bike up for their weight. I told my 300lb friend he probably needs spring/oil upgrade for best results?
@davetechme I asked Chris to answer your request.
Dave Moss
Host
First rate, huge help to see visually what I've only read up to this point.
Excellent video. Thanks so much. Going to set it tomorrow
Thanks for making this video. I know now I need to stiffen up the rear by adjusting the shock. Guess we will see what my ol' bike runs like when I am done. Great info, thanks again
I don't get it its so hard to tell. so is that calendar girl on the wall pantless? or is that the bikini pattern?
Is that a Scorpion EXO helmet on the shelf back there(red helmet) ?
Dave, thanks a ton for this. Do you have a link to part 3 (compression)?
Please post the 3rd part!! Thanks for the video very well made and easy to understand.
I believe it may have been yes!
Great video. Perfect understanding
did you find it?
great video, this is what i'm doing this weekend with my zx9r.
7:45 you say the back will drop when you get on the gas, i've been told this is a common misconception, the rear actually rises when we get on the gas?
Me too, Keith code has a video showing it happening. Rising on gas.
thank you,very helpful!
THANK YOU for saving my life and my bike !!!!!
8:34 Performing CPR on a bike
part 3 please !!!
On OnTheThrottle.TV
where is part 3