These are great and informative videos. However, the background music is very distracting and seems inappropriate for a video that is presenting technical data.
@deerman1212 Yes! Always make sure that the rear of the bike is fully extended. Some shocks have top out springs and others don't. No top out springs means that you have to have free sag. Dave Moss Host
Dave Correct me if I am wrong but I believe this was filmed at miller motorsports park! Atleast the track map in the background is miller! I love it out there and hit many many apex days during the season!
@deerman1212 Ideally you would need fork springs as that is really the weak based on your weight, plus 10 or 15w fork oil unless they have been revalved. You would certainly add preload to the rear shock. Dave Moss Host
@42ghostrider no, as the SRAD doesn't have high speed damping, plus the fork and shock springs are much softer. Geometry is similar though and SAG numbers would be the same. You would set compression and rebound much more to the stiff/slow end of the adjustment for forks ad shock. Dave Moss Host
@ashish patil, factory r6's are generally the higher sitting on the sport bikes. these bikes are set up more for track than they are for comfort and the taller stance allows it to turn in to turns differently and some would say faster or easier compared to a Gsxr600 who's lower and more of a comfort sit.
A little logic always helps with spending. If you are at the softest spot and the spring is still too stiff, you need a softer spring. If you are on the softest setting and sag works out, no expense needed. See where you are and simply change the spring - no other expense needed at that point.
Hey dave, have been watching all the videos you do to get a better understanding for suspension and its importance, no one i know touches their suspension or knows how to! i have a 08 ktm 690smc, stock, just changed the fork oil, the front end is really stiff (common for these bikes) i may take some of the washers off the top of the spring to make it softer, however i was wondering if the sag amount is similar to a sport bikes (35-40mm)? or is it more because the forks can travel a LOT more
I would take 4 turns of preload off the stock shock spring to match your weight and set the fork preload at 5 turns in. The stock hydraulic settings make sure the bike is out of balance for rebound and for compression.
@sematicracer the chatter could be coming from a sticking brake piston, a pinched fork leg or bottoming out. Do you have a zip tie on one fork leg to show how much travel you are using? If you are bottomed out on braking, then you are using the bottom of the stroke most of the time. Also find my video on front wheel alignment ad follow those steps. Dave Moss Host
In principle yes - the sag measurements will be the same. The hydraulics however are completely different. Given your description, the rear is raised with shims or really stiff putting all the weight of the bike on the front tire which as you are experiencing is nerve racking and unsafe. The forks should be at the the joint of the cap and tube at the upper triple clamp. Check geometry, measure sag and correct then address hydraulics setting rebound and compression in the middle. Dave Moss Host
long travel suspension needs 25% of total travel for sag setting as a rule. Based on type of use, you can change it from there (dirt, touring, twisties etc)
very interesting stuf! But many (older) bikes do not have adjustment screws on the forks and in the rear only an adjuster for preload if you are lucky. what can be done with a bike like that? Vary oil-viscocity? shim forks internally for preload? Dave, what is your take on progressive type fork springs? any good for road and fast road use?
Dave , Recently purchased 2011 gsxr 750 , been watching your video on sag set-up Question, how much free sag should you have ?? Also do you have any bench mark settings for rider at 195 lbs.
Set up to your weight is everything. The bike sits evenly, absorbs bumps equally and returns the tire to the ground quickly. It is essential to get a complete understanding of where the settings are so you understand why the bike handles the way it does. There's a lot more information at feelthetrack(dot)com. Dave Moss Host
Hi Dave, I am a bit confused on the part where you talk about the spring tension. How do you know that the chassis is balanced by 3.5" and 1.5" on front and rear. Doesn't it need to be same?
I bought a used 06 gsxr 600 and its my first bike, i was not aware that you could set sag and suspension being that im a novice rider. Currently i dont take it on the track, would a setup like this be detrimental to a street bike or can i apply these mechanics to the road
I just got my GSXR 750 and i have been told that for my height 5'11 and weight 170 lbs the best setting would be at stock settings for the preload, sag and compression for both back and front. Is that right? If it isnt, how do you think i should change my specs. Thanks a lot in advance.
Doesnt the shock spring get loser after awhile? How do you know the topped out shock isnt OVERLY topped out in terms of pressure on the spring? Is it not possible to overly top out a shock in terms of bike weight/and max shock distance?
Just bought a K4 that used to be stunted, it seems to Pull it self to the ground when i turn at slow speed unless i ride Two-up, im assuming the rear end is higher than normal. or vise versa any help is appreciated, wondering if the settings are the same for a 04 gsxr - 600 Thank you - Brown
@mrmaniac79 I tried to put part 2 as a video response but I can't see that it worked. Sorry, try searching for 'Performance Upgrades GSX-R600 Setting Sag 2' or check out our channel. Cheers Chris- OnTheThrottle.TV
depends on the age of the oil. The older the oi is the more the oil flow changes as it warms up from sludge to very thin hot oil. Hence needing to change the fork oil very often. Dave Moss Host
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What a great and easy DIY guide for setting sag! So many people ride their bikes without ever paying attention to this. Me as well on my first bike!
These are great and informative videos. However, the background music is very distracting and seems inappropriate for a video that is presenting technical data.
...exactly, it is like watching porn :/ ...however the video is great :) ...
Great vid "DAVE", kept my attention the whole time. Yall just gained another customer.
DAVE YOU RULE! Thank you for all the helpful advice and knowledge!
Thanks very much. Extremely valuable information and very well presented - especially for this old layman to follow.
hey you made it through 2020! Amazing stuff! Some compilation there i see. I've come back here for more! Smooth, entertaining! Good work there!
Thanks a ton I've got a 11 gsxr 1000 that would stand up so easy now I can really open it up and it's stuck to the ground and handles so much better
@deerman1212 Yes! Always make sure that the rear of the bike is fully extended. Some shocks have top out springs and others don't. No top out springs means that you have to have free sag.
Dave Moss
Host
Dave Correct me if I am wrong but I believe this was filmed at miller motorsports park! Atleast the track map in the background is miller! I love it out there and hit many many apex days during the season!
Excellent video. I would like to see a suspension setup video on a 08 cbr600rr.
@deerman1212 Ideally you would need fork springs as that is really the weak based on your weight, plus 10 or 15w fork oil unless they have been revalved. You would certainly add preload to the rear shock.
Dave Moss
Host
@42ghostrider no, as the SRAD doesn't have high speed damping, plus the fork and shock springs are much softer. Geometry is similar though and SAG numbers would be the same. You would set compression and rebound much more to the stiff/slow end of the adjustment for forks ad shock.
Dave Moss
Host
@ashish patil, factory r6's are generally the higher sitting on the sport bikes. these bikes are set up more for track than they are for comfort and the taller stance allows it to turn in to turns differently and some would say faster or easier compared to a Gsxr600 who's lower and more of a comfort sit.
A little logic always helps with spending. If you are at the softest spot and the spring is still too stiff, you need a softer spring. If you are on the softest setting and sag works out, no expense needed. See where you are and simply change the spring - no other expense needed at that point.
Thanx Dave ... your the man .
Hey dave, have been watching all the videos you do to get a better understanding for suspension and its importance, no one i know touches their suspension or knows how to!
i have a 08 ktm 690smc, stock, just changed the fork oil, the front end is really stiff (common for these bikes) i may take some of the washers off the top of the spring to make it softer, however i was wondering if the sag amount is similar to a sport bikes (35-40mm)? or is it more because the forks can travel a LOT more
I would take 4 turns of preload off the stock shock spring to match your weight and set the fork preload at 5 turns in. The stock hydraulic settings make sure the bike is out of balance for rebound and for compression.
@sematicracer the chatter could be coming from a sticking brake piston, a pinched fork leg or bottoming out. Do you have a zip tie on one fork leg to show how much travel you are using? If you are bottomed out on braking, then you are using the bottom of the stroke most of the time. Also find my video on front wheel alignment ad follow those steps.
Dave Moss
Host
super informative thank you sir keep it up
In principle yes - the sag measurements will be the same. The hydraulics however are completely different. Given your description, the rear is raised with shims or really stiff putting all the weight of the bike on the front tire which as you are experiencing is nerve racking and unsafe. The forks should be at the the joint of the cap and tube at the upper triple clamp. Check geometry, measure sag and correct then address hydraulics setting rebound and compression in the middle.
Dave Moss
Host
long travel suspension needs 25% of total travel for sag setting as a rule. Based on type of use, you can change it from there (dirt, touring, twisties etc)
From the vault comes this sag setting video of a Gixxer six. A trustee viewer had pointed out that this video had disappeared from our line up.
very nice tutial viedo indeed showed me a lott on suspenion setup tnx
very nice video!
can you make a video how to adjust telescopic fork?
very interesting stuf! But many (older) bikes do not have adjustment screws on the forks and in the rear only an adjuster for preload if you are lucky.
what can be done with a bike like that? Vary oil-viscocity? shim forks internally for preload? Dave, what is your take on progressive type fork springs? any good for road and fast road use?
Dave , Recently purchased 2011 gsxr 750 , been watching your video on sag set-up
Question, how much free sag should you have ?? Also do you have any bench mark settings for rider at 195 lbs.
@OnTheThrottleTV could put the 2nd part linked in the description for this video??
Set up to your weight is everything. The bike sits evenly, absorbs bumps equally and returns the tire to the ground quickly. It is essential to get a complete understanding of where the settings are so you understand why the bike handles the way it does. There's a lot more information at feelthetrack(dot)com.
Dave Moss
Host
Awesome instructions! I tried it on my Gixxer 600 and the difference was night and day!
Hi Dave, I am a bit confused on the part where you talk about the spring tension. How do you know that the chassis is balanced by 3.5" and 1.5" on front and rear. Doesn't it need to be same?
great stuff .... but what is with the shit music in the background?
could you make a video specific for the BPF sag setting?
we can do that in January!
I bought a used 06 gsxr 600 and its my first bike, i was not aware that you could set sag and suspension being that im a novice rider. Currently i dont take it on the track, would a setup like this be detrimental to a street bike or can i apply these mechanics to the road
I just got my GSXR 750 and i have been told that for my height 5'11 and weight 170 lbs the best setting would be at stock settings for the preload, sag and compression for both back and front. Is that right? If it isnt, how do you think i should change my specs. Thanks a lot in advance.
Doesnt the shock spring get loser after awhile?
How do you know the topped out shock isnt OVERLY topped out in terms of pressure on the spring? Is it not possible to overly top out a shock in terms of bike weight/and max shock distance?
when first tuning the rear should the rear be always topped out?
Just bought a K4 that used to be stunted, it seems to Pull it self to the ground when i turn at slow speed unless i ride Two-up, im assuming the rear end is higher than normal. or vise versa any help is appreciated, wondering if the settings are the same for a 04 gsxr - 600 Thank you - Brown
Performance Upgrades: Suzuki GSX-R600 Setting Sag-- Part 1
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ur emaildoesnt work..i need help lowering a 2013 750 gsxr front an back
@mrmaniac79 I tried to put part 2 as a video response but I can't see that it worked. Sorry, try searching for 'Performance Upgrades GSX-R600 Setting Sag 2' or check out our channel.
Cheers
Chris- OnTheThrottle.TV
i ride a 99 gixxer SRAD are the settings the same for this as the ones you show here
Warm/hot oil softens the rebound rate, correct? By a lot?
Great videos mate, didn't notice the music :)
Hey I just got fax r600 2004, and I feel like bike is tall for me. So do I make my bike go down so I can put my feet on ground?
depends on the age of the oil. The older the oi is the more the oil flow changes as it warms up from sludge to very thin hot oil. Hence needing to change the fork oil very often.
Dave Moss
Host
anyone kno what wheel chock he is using? I got to transport the gixx to FL inside my trailer.
I would think the bike should be level for setting sag... the front is elevated in the chock
what is the 2004 gsxr 600 suspension capable of i am 200 pounds no gear
awsome
which year?
This is the only full video anywhere on sag. The rest I have to pay. Wish they didn’t have this goofy ass music
Sooooo is this used to lower the seat height of the bike?
No, this is a weight based suspension loading adjustment only. Never use sag to adjust set height.
How?
whats up with the music?
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will a 06 swingarm fit on a 05 gsxr?
Nice music lol
Music is...distracting.
Whats up with the porn music o.O