That maneuver of the cube to save Voyager was actually pretty clever and fast thinking. Few other species would have done that, at least not after such short consideration, showing the Borg do not care for a single ship of their own at all when sacrificing it means accomplishing a goal. Ice cold.
Also what's one cube when they can easily assimilate cultures quickly enough to rebuild the missing population of that cube fairly quickly. What other "species" can drum up 4 million new "soldiers" in a day or two?
Well, considering they have encountered a species that they've never been able to assimilate and is very capable of wiping them out effortlessly. I can't really blame the Borg Queen.
Seeing the Borg move their cube to protect a Federation starship was just an OMG moment when I first saw it. Also loved seeing the cube rotate and fire on all sides.
Rotating so that fresh weapons and shields would face the enemy. Simply ramming the enemy. Great tactics for Borg cubes. Too bad they never used them when attacking Earth, when confronted by that one annoying starship that kept blocking their path.
Voyager really took off after these episodes with the Borg and the addition of Jerri Ryan as 7 of 9. Janeway said they would die trying to fight the Borg, but the Borg did not hesitate to sacrifice an cube of thousands to save Voyager and defeat Species 8472. Janeway found a way to unite the Borg and Starfleet at least for a short time. Then she annihilated them at the end of the series. Good stuff.
they only sacrificed the Borg cube because they had interest in wanting to defeat species 8472. don't forget it was them that started the war with species 8472 by invading their space.so looking back species 8472 had every right to want the Borg gone and janeway should have let the Borg die. she would have done countless species right if she did.
@@supersaiyaman11589 And then what? Species 8472 weren't exactly the cozy neighbour type. They would have gone on a rampage through our galaxy, one episode actually focusses on them recreating Federation Headquarters to stage a possible attack. They were xenophobic up to the point of wiping anything different than them out. It was that they settled their differences at the end of the episode, else the Milky way galaxy would have been sterilized by Species 8472.
I loved when the borg cube rotated to impact the bioship. It was like swatting a fly with a mile wide flyswatter. Pity they had to be destroyed as well though. But, I got a real laugh when the bio ship tried to take evasive action.
Mulgrew opposed the Seven character and hated the new direction of the show. Guess shes still not happy about it, Seven is the one who is remembered and loved, after the tragic female characters of TNG it was very overdue with a loveable female character. Not as epic as TOS Uhura but up there somewhere.
@@pflaffik Mulgrew said something like "Jeri was just hired for her T&A (tuts and ass)" and interviews have said how she went out of her way to alienate Jeri on set. And people still praise her for being "the best captain in Trek" when even the character was a terrible person.
The momentum they went woke, they went broke. They came our with the FIRST woman starship captain of the entire series. They did that the CNN way. Pretending that they say the truth. Voyager is not a memory of theirs
Yep. I still contend, to this day, that if the Borg had been in their original state as we saw them in Q Who and Best of Both Worlds, Species 8472 would never have stood a chance. But because they were _too_ powerful, and the writers had basically written themselves into a corner, they nerfed the Borg. This is why adapting no longer granted _immunity_ in Voyager, but extreme levels of mitigation (the episode that had the first appearance Borg Queen on Voyager). This was still hella cool, as we never would have thought that the Borg and Starfleet could be allies.
I shouted "WHAT HAPPENED NEXT!? I CAN'T REMEMBER!!!" I mean do I remember I just want to see it again ;) But it's not on Netflix anymore so I can't watch it!
Hah, I have those too, from time to time. Recommended videos that make you think: 'Eh, I'm not really that interested in this' but they keep showing up, until finally you go: 'Alright fine, I'll watch you!' Sometimes, I manage to ignore them long enough that they disappear, though.
1:16 Janeway asks Seven if she's human and at 1:21 Seven says "I ceased to be human at that time." It's the only time during this video she refers to herself in the first person. Every other time she says "we". I think Seven may have always had a little bit of her humanity inside of her that the Borg was unable to take from her.
I personally have never understood why so many trekkies didn't like this show. It's one of my favorites in the Star Trek universe. Episodes like this one are part of why I like it so much.
That is maybe pressing it ALOT lol. But sure whatever floats your boat. But logicly you know each human has its own diffirent views, and therefor ALOT would disagree with your statement. Since they may like other shows alot more. Also when it was made has a huge impact aswell. Comparing a show from 1950's vs a 2020's show is no contest at all if you judge by looks alone. Technolgy used is just way to good. I mean Sci Fi alone is a VERY broad term my friend ... there is tons of sci fi not even having to do with space lol. For instance i would personally say Fringe is WAy better. but that is one of my favorite shows. If i should stay on Star Trek i would say both Discovery and Strange new world both are ALOT better then the older shows.
@@April-dv2pb A great series from start to finish. (Also at 3:17 to 4:16 ) You gotta love Species 8472's awesome battle theme music of pure awesome EPICNESS!
not really cause while voyager and the cube are at warp how can the singularity be 12 thousand kilometres away that info is in accurate instantly due to the speed of both voyager and the cube being at warp basically cause they are moving
Yeah during covid I've watched all of the older star trek series the spin off in the 90s I think and a bunch of anime series this will be next doesn't this have something to do with Stargate to
She looked a lot less creepy than when she had that short hair. The short hair made her more child-like which made it even worse that she was with Neelix when she was TWO YEARS OLD.
@@dmanc85 Two years in Ocampan time, which is much shorter than our lifespans. We can't hold a fictional race to the same rules, when they aren't the same lifespan.
@@anonymousperson3153 No we can't, you are correct... but we do because we're not regularly made to think about these things and thus despite being full adults, we're kind of stupid when it comes to these kinds of critical thoughts. We're built on avoiding such thoughts, and science fiction is meant to push the boundaries of what we are inside and out. Some have forgotten this.
Remember back in the days those episodes cam out on a weekly basis on Wednesday evening in Switzerland. And after Scorpion part II I was like :"I think we have a Borg crewmen no on the show....wow". And we had to wait another weeks for it to continue :'D
Makes you think though.... considering how many borg were being killed by Species 8472, they would have had a better run of things just ramming them with their ships and doing it via war of attrition.
@Forge17 The point remains, 8472 could have had a quadrant's worth of fleets and ships with a manufacturing, however they make their bioships, to quickly make up their losses, as far as we know while the Borg's method of assimilation operates quickly they would still need a significant portion of their forces traveling through the quadrants assimilating new tech and sentients to make up for their losses.
It would be an ineffective strategy in open warfare. A bioship is as fast as a cube is (if not faster) and can destroy them pretty much instantly with ordinary weapons fire. Cubes would never get close enough to ram the bioships.
The only reason the ramming was effective here is because it took place at warp speed. The collapsing warp fields and resulting monstrous forces as both ship masses were torn out of their respectuve subspace fields and back into normal space is what destroyed both vessels. Strong enough to kill a Borg cube and bioship, but not exactly a viable tactic since it is dependent upon the bioships being in close enough proximity to the Borg vessels while at warp.
Jane way was smart to hold back info in one of the books thr Borg make a deal with some romulans they explain they only intend to keep the deal with the romulans until they are no longer needed in which case they will be assimilated, due to Ferengis being assimilated. Same with the dominion, they only keep deals as long as it is vcd advantageous to them.
@@KawaiiSoulB42 I stopped on season 2. The fiction part was fun but the science part - sometimes I couldn't stand it. Miller falling off the orbiting spaceship's balcony in S2E4 - that was absolute cringe.
The 2 part Borg story in the middle of The Next Generation was by far their best storyline, so too was this 2 part Borg story, again right in the middle of Voyager was by far their best storyline. Also the movie First Contact, once again with the Borg, was one of the 3 best Star Trek movies. Star Trek is simply awesome when the Borg are involved.
@@GreyTide i know . . and he reflected to discover . . that he loved it - and was shocked in the process.. but.. well.. it is also a reflection to all of us - the thin red line . . rubicon..
@@burstcity3832 Species 8472 are actually a combination of the Vorlons and Shadows from Babylon 5. Most of DS9 is also based off the original Babylon 5 story as well. There was a law suit about it and the Trek creators had to pay a big out of court settlement. They declined to take up the series when it was offered to them and then they plagiarised the work after the fact.
@@Ishlacorrin It made me sad to think how amazing B5 would have been with a Startrek budget. I see what you mean about species 8472, multiple legs and strange body configuration does match the shadows a bit.
@@burstcity3832 We still have that chance, the official B5 reboot was announced with the original author at the helm. Will be interesting to see what he does with it this time around.
Voyager just got better and better, and the quality of the sets and production were superb, the best of any of the Star Trek series at the time. 7 of 9 added a much needed strong character to the series.
"Security team to cargo bay 2" Yeah, but what about a medical team as well? Tuvok didn't sound at his best, did he? And the Captain didn't answer at all. Maybe, like, send both the paramedics and the police to the emergency?
I have wondered that as well but I think the whole fluidic space concept means Species 8472 can move in similar ways as transwarp. It's interesting because both are different kinds of movement through space and distances.
Struck me as somewhat obvious the Borg did not want Voyager crossing their terroritory quickly. They were forced into a stalemate because of Janeway's threat to destroy the vital information they needed, but as seen here, the Borg were quite intent on trying to get their hands on the nanoprobes as soon as they could get/trick Voyager to hand them over.
Very likely. The Borg called them the apex of biologically based technology, given their precise control of singularities, their insane weapons capable of planetary destruction in array form and ability to actually shape shift with technology..... Well let's just say that transwarp sounds like childs play to them. Besides the Borg transwarp is not true transwarp anyway - it's badly named given the earlier Voyager episode detailing what transwarp really means. Their transwarp is more like Quantum Slipstream travel which relies heavily on the deflector, something Seven needed to create the singularity that brought Voyager to fluidic space - hence in my mind that 8472 have the tools for 'transwarp' already.
Since the Borg aren't known for prioritizing personal hygiene, imagine how bad the stench aboard a cube must eventually be. You can scrub the air, but standing next to an unwashed Borg must be atrocious
I believe their dead bodies are in some sort of preservative condition with the borg nanites in them so they shouldn't smell like a unwashed human bean lol
@@TigDegner Not exactly something I'd thought about before, but it did strike me as a thought when I was watching this clip that the cubes must really stink.
@@AC-iz7eh, What exactly is a "human bean"? Some sort of new species of legume? Because the last time I checked it was 'human being'. Or in the words of the Borg: "Your grammar is irrelevant."
Body odor is just bacteria that is easily destroyed by nanites. So no, I bet there is no human odor. But smelling like a greasy diesel shop -- that may be more accurate. lol
April 5, 2063 39.2K subscribers (At 3:17 to 4:21 ) Species 8472 has a really really amazing and truly iconic and catchy theme song that totally sends shivers down your spine. (me singing) "Duh Duh Duh! Dah Dah Dah DAAAH!!! DAH DAH DAH DAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!"
Jamie, I agree with you. Even still today that music is perfect. I always said that music at the right time with good writing and good actors make the scene.
@@April-dv2pb Thank you my friend. I wonder if any of the newer Star Trek TV Shows will ever bring back Species 8472 (so far the only and I mean the ONLY species to offer True Resistance to the Borg)? It would be really really really cool to see Species 8472 actually fighting alongside Humanity and joining Starfleet too.
I agree with you it would be nice to see 8472 again. A made for tv movie with the cast from Voyager and Species 8472. Every time I see Species 8472 it reminded me of the Shadows from Babylon 5.
@@April-dv2pb They did however managed to bring back both the ICONIC Romulans and the Gorn in Season 1 "Star Trek: Strange New Worlds" which I highly recommend you check it out someday (I LOVED what they did for the Gorn in "Strange New Worlds" by giving them a proper mythology origin as well as making them an extremely TERRIFYING, ancient, mysterious, and predatory repto-humanoid species with an unsatisfied ravenous appetite for Human flesh). I honestly don't know if Species 8472 will ever show up in either "Star Trek: Lower Decks" (probably as a cameo?) or in "Star Trek: Prodigy".
Interesting that Species 8472 were that telepathically strong. Strong enough to force their way into Kes'mind, who at this point had become pretty strong mentally and even she couldn't block them from her mind. Either they're exceptionally strong over grewt distances or, there was a stowaway Undine (S8472) on Voyager or the Borg cube trying to connect to Kes' mind nearby.
That collision actually sort of breaks star trek ship to ship combat as a plot element, but it was broken that way before every time they used a shuttle to push through shields. It means rail guns would have been better than phasers and it begs the quest why torpedoes don't push through shields as well.
borg are good guys, picard should have do a memorial for them and federation should ahve let them assimilate them whole nation in honour for this noble secrifice, deeds of the borg wont be forgotten
Was thinking the same. She's actually a really great actress. Watch American History X if you haven't. We all love Seven, but basically laying off Kes to make room was a nasty move, and I blame her downfall at least partly on them.
I always wondered: In canon, where did the idea to ram the 8472 ship come from? Was it the hive, an order from the Queen, or was it even 7 of 9 (who seems to be operating with a lot more independence than a regular drone,). I also wondered: Did the Borg ever use this tactic to kill other 8472 ships , and protect any other high value targets, in canon? It's inefficient, and I doubt it would be a war winning tactic, but it might well slow down their advance - given that up until this scene 8472 have believed that the Borg simply can't touch them _at_ _all_ . Dramatically I'd find that more pleasing, since a war with one side losing badly is plausible, but a war where one side (who are accomplished strategists and fighters in their way) never even manages to bloody the other... that's just a bit hard to swallow.
3:02 They're at warp, and those stars aren't moving. 3:16 They're at warp. Anything stationary that was 12,000 km aft would be millions of kilometers aft before he even opened his mouth to announce it.
It is fundamentally unrealistic that the bioships, the Borg and the Federation would have such short range weapons that ramming would be any even moderately realistic backup or alternative to directed energy weapons, or even torpedoes. With the ability to direct energy from several miles away, the chances of a 'ramming' become ludicrously small.
It's an Acceptable Break From Reality in order to allow the show to exist. You can't have exciting space battles under realistic conditions, just as you can't have a heroic captain if Starfleet protocol requires the command staff to avoid danger and let the redshirts take all the risks.
@@EnvisionerWill While I agree that this works for the show, I disagree with the "you can't have exciting space battles under realistic conditions". have you watch the Expanse?
@@Trueflights I have not. But if the starships can see each other by looking out a window, they're not being realistic. Perhaps they get closer than Star Trek, it's not like that's hard.
@@EnvisionerWill no, they rely on scanners and tech to track incoming ordinance and other ships locations. Rarely is anything closer than just a speck of light from ships propulsion in the black of space as they change thrust directions.
Reality would be the battle for Ds9 being two lines of ships firing long range ordinance at each other from an enormous distance. The entire idea of line battles in space is just insane. In this case though, remembering how large cubes are and the target was voyager, its not hard to imagine the cube being able to move in between them. The other ship was treating the cube as a barrier and forgot it could be a threat.
the rotation does seem silly, unless there's some reason that it might take less energy to put the inevitable slight turning of the ship in a spin, rather than keep it pointed forward. But the cube obviously isnt really shaped to take advantage of the stability of rotation. I suspect it just looked a bit silly and like a cut-out or matting to have a static cube flying around. This way we get to see more of the doodads.
Borg ships aren't built like Federation ships. They don't have a front or rear like that, which must mean that their warp drives can form and shape their warp bubbles in any direction 360 degrees around the ship. Similarly their sublight engines can provide thrust in all directions too. It's not unreasonable that a warp drive of such capability could adjust its warp bubble on the fly to allow the ship to spin using navigation thrusters/impulse engines while at warp and maintaining their heading in warp. All it would take is to continually and exactly rotate their warp field counter to their ship's rotation to maintain a constant warp heading regardless of the ship's rotation. A Federation ship could never perform this feat, but a Borg Cube could do it provided it could perform the necessary calculations and adjustments to the warp field fast enough. I wager the reason we don't usually see Borg Cubes spinning like this is that it's rarely necessary and takes a huge amount of computational power to do, the Borg do not like to spend resources on anything which isn't strictly necessary. However in the rare case where they are fighting superior enemies it makes sense they are willing to expend those extra resources to stave off defeat, just like the ended up ramming the bioship to save something more valuable than the Cube. The Cube's shape is irrelevant in space, it doesn't cause drag to spin, and spinning allows it to rotate through firing arcs and rotate shield facings much more rapidly than they could divert power to those weapon and shield arrays. Spinning to rotate firing arcs is a brilliant move when facing a foe where every bit of firepower matters and could mean the difference between victory and defeat. I think this is one of the more brilliant things done by the Voyager showrunners. They are often ragged on for what they did to the Borg and other cases of bad writing, however I believe that in this case they correctly recognized that the Borg would be uniquely capable of this maneuver and I think it's great that they put it in there.
@@furycarnategaming Paris becomes the highest ranking officer because apparently Chakotay is the most suitable person to check on the injured captain..
@@jonasnilsson6552 The only other Lt. Commander on bridge is Torres and she has her hands full with engineering, keeping the ship to gather and keeping borg tech where us belongs.
@@furycarnategaming That is kind of my point. None of them should leave their posts. Send someone non-critical to check on the injured captain. Maybe someone trained in emergency care. Or better yet, transport them directly to the sickbay. Instead we get to see the worst choice: Chakotay leaves his post during a crisis.
Right it woulda been sick to see them and the borg getting heavy into war and voyager getting caught up in the middle and actual problems. Trying to work with both sides or remain neutral at times.
found it rather odd how when 7 of 9 talks its her individual voice and not the collectives. its like we knew she was individual secretly, enough to ditch the borg
Janeway specifically asked for a representative to speak for the Borg that they could interact with, just like they did with Locutus in the past. I'm assuming they were able to modify Seven for this task which is why she speaks more like an individual, despite still being a drone.
That maneuver of the cube to save Voyager was actually pretty clever and fast thinking. Few other species would have done that, at least not after such short consideration, showing the Borg do not care for a single ship of their own at all when sacrificing it means accomplishing a goal. Ice cold.
Also what's one cube when they can easily assimilate cultures quickly enough to rebuild the missing population of that cube fairly quickly. What other "species" can drum up 4 million new "soldiers" in a day or two?
Well, considering they have encountered a species that they've never been able to assimilate and is very capable of wiping them out effortlessly. I can't really blame the Borg Queen.
only question is why dont they suicide into the ships all the time? surely they have more vessels than 8472, theyre the collective, after all.
@@Phoenix-zu6on 8472 probably avoids being kamikazed by cubes
@@Phoenix-zu6on then why not build specialized kamikaze ships that prioritize the stuff that makes the ships of species 8472 go boom?
Seeing the Borg move their cube to protect a Federation starship was just an OMG moment when I first saw it. Also loved seeing the cube rotate and fire on all sides.
Rotating so that fresh weapons and shields would face the enemy. Simply ramming the enemy. Great tactics for Borg cubes.
Too bad they never used them when attacking Earth, when confronted by that one annoying starship that kept blocking their path.
Me too.
I was thinking the same!
Ye was a fun scene. Give them credit for taking the ship out the only way it could.
@Warp 9.9 🙄 what are you, ten years old?
Voyager really took off after these episodes with the Borg and the addition of Jerri Ryan as 7 of 9. Janeway said they would die trying to fight the Borg, but the Borg did not hesitate to sacrifice an cube of thousands to save Voyager and defeat Species 8472. Janeway found a way to unite the Borg and Starfleet at least for a short time. Then she annihilated them at the end of the series. Good stuff.
they only sacrificed the Borg cube because they had interest in wanting to defeat species 8472. don't forget it was them that started the war with species 8472 by invading their space.so looking back species 8472 had every right to want the Borg gone and janeway should have let the Borg die. she would have done countless species right if she did.
@@supersaiyaman11589 And then what? Species 8472 weren't exactly the cozy neighbour type. They would have gone on a rampage through our galaxy, one episode actually focusses on them recreating Federation Headquarters to stage a possible attack. They were xenophobic up to the point of wiping anything different than them out. It was that they settled their differences at the end of the episode, else the Milky way galaxy would have been sterilized by Species 8472.
I loved when the borg cube rotated to impact the bioship. It was like swatting a fly with a mile wide flyswatter. Pity they had to be destroyed as well though. But, I got a real laugh when the bio ship tried to take evasive action.
"Are you willing to risk a direct confrontation with us?"
Seven of Nine sexy talk :)
Will not find a trekker who didnt dream of a direct confrontation with Seven, repeatedly too.
"We would both die" Sigh.😂
I have always felt THIS story arc is where Voyager really found it's legs as a show.
I disagree the Kazon arc was great
@@emizerri Oh wow.... There is little in Star Trek I hated more than the Kazon arc
Mulgrew opposed the Seven character and hated the new direction of the show. Guess shes still not happy about it, Seven is the one who is remembered and loved, after the tragic female characters of TNG it was very overdue with a loveable female character. Not as epic as TOS Uhura but up there somewhere.
@@alanfrost75 agreed.
@@pflaffik Mulgrew said something like "Jeri was just hired for her T&A (tuts and ass)" and interviews have said how she went out of her way to alienate Jeri on set. And people still praise her for being "the best captain in Trek" when even the character was a terrible person.
this episode alone is 10 times better then any star trek show today
The momentum they went woke, they went broke. They came our with the FIRST woman starship captain of the entire series. They did that the CNN way. Pretending that they say the truth. Voyager is not a memory of theirs
@@sam11182Star Trek was always "woke". New Trek is just poorly written.
Learn to enjoy the good thing without whining about the bad thing
@@sam11182that's some impressive gibberish you just spaffed out. 😂
@@peterclarke7006 *bows* thank you
I saw this as a six year old when it aired, blew my young mind 1000x
Yep. I still contend, to this day, that if the Borg had been in their original state as we saw them in Q Who and Best of Both Worlds, Species 8472 would never have stood a chance. But because they were _too_ powerful, and the writers had basically written themselves into a corner, they nerfed the Borg. This is why adapting no longer granted _immunity_ in Voyager, but extreme levels of mitigation (the episode that had the first appearance Borg Queen on Voyager).
This was still hella cool, as we never would have thought that the Borg and Starfleet could be allies.
That Borg cube rotating and firing from all sides was a badass moment. No wonder everyone feared the Borg. They are efficient, as Seven would say.
I have to admit the actress hit the ground running with this character, she did not need a period of getting used to the character.
And Kess never fully recovered , leading eventually to erratic behavior and multiple arrests later in life.
Sad that fiction became reality. Hoping Jennifer will recover.
she was so beautiful.. what a fall from grace
Gah, it totally happened again. I set so sucked into it, I don't realize it's just a clip, then scream when the clip suddenly ends.
I shouted "WHAT HAPPENED NEXT!? I CAN'T REMEMBER!!!" I mean do I remember I just want to see it again ;) But it's not on Netflix anymore so I can't watch it!
2:44 Tuvok's like "damn, you really tried that?"
Glad you posted that. I would've missed that perfect look on his face haha
Vulcan mind tries to understand "the bluff"
"when you hold only one card to continue the hand is illogical?"
Something that really amps up the action in this story is the music, hearing it you're expecting an action sequence.
This clip was desperately in my suggestions over and over.
Fine! I’ll watch.
Hah, I have those too, from time to time. Recommended videos that make you think: 'Eh, I'm not really that interested in this' but they keep showing up, until finally you go: 'Alright fine, I'll watch you!'
Sometimes, I manage to ignore them long enough that they disappear, though.
This is exactly what YT and its advertisers are counting on....
We are the recommended. Lower your fingers and press our videos. Your views and likes will be adapted to serve our algorithms. Resistance is futile.
This is the reason why I didn't go out at New Year's of 2002 😂
1:16 Janeway asks Seven if she's human and at 1:21 Seven says "I ceased to be human at that time." It's the only time during this video she refers to herself in the first person. Every other time she says "we". I think Seven may have always had a little bit of her humanity inside of her that the Borg was unable to take from her.
I think she says "it" rather than "I"...
@@builder396 You're right. I listened to it again and the Closed Captions confirm it. Whooops.
@@WorldPeace21 Resistance is Futile confirmed.
Good catch my friend!
Yes! I remember thinking that was an important piece of dialogue because she was still fully Borg…or was she ever?
Kes's voice is beautiful!
every episode with Species 8472 are so good!
2:30 Fair point, we'll just send a thousand.. Welcome to the collective.
Even the borg understands that if resistance will not be futile, it's not necessary to fight lol.
I personally have never understood why so many trekkies didn't like this show. It's one of my favorites in the Star Trek universe. Episodes like this one are part of why I like it so much.
7of9's introduction really lifted the show. These are some of the best sci fi episodes ever made.
That is maybe pressing it ALOT lol. But sure whatever floats your boat.
But logicly you know each human has its own diffirent views, and therefor ALOT would disagree with your statement. Since they may like other shows alot more. Also when it was made has a huge impact aswell. Comparing a show from 1950's vs a 2020's show is no contest at all if you judge by looks alone. Technolgy used is just way to good.
I mean Sci Fi alone is a VERY broad term my friend ... there is tons of sci fi not even having to do with space lol.
For instance i would personally say Fringe is WAy better. but that is one of my favorite shows.
If i should stay on Star Trek i would say both Discovery and Strange new world both are ALOT better then the older shows.
Thanks for the clip Bossman, I love Star Trek Voyager!
Your welcome. Star Trek Voyager was the first Star Trek I watched from start to the end.
@@April-dv2pb A great series from start to finish. (Also at 3:17 to 4:16 ) You gotta love Species 8472's awesome battle theme music of pure awesome EPICNESS!
Think voyager ages well.
not really cause while voyager and the cube are at warp how can the singularity be 12 thousand kilometres away that info is in accurate instantly due to the speed of both voyager and the cube being at warp basically cause they are moving
Jaineway didn't haha
@@raven4k998 however the singularity could also be moving
Yeah during covid I've watched all of the older star trek series the spin off in the 90s I think and a bunch of anime series this will be next doesn't this have something to do with Stargate to
all the responses from people who don't know how TF to spell
I love kes with the longer hair. I wish her telepathic powers were explored more had kes not departed in the gift.
She looked a lot less creepy than when she had that short hair. The short hair made her more child-like which made it even worse that she was with Neelix when she was TWO YEARS OLD.
@@dmanc85 Two years in Ocampan time, which is much shorter than our lifespans. We can't hold a fictional race to the same rules, when they aren't the same lifespan.
Longer hair Kes = 4/10
@@dmanc85 @dmanc85 Made her better imo. Your discomfort is precisely why. Your discomfort is scifi as fuck.
@@anonymousperson3153 No we can't, you are correct... but we do because we're not regularly made to think about these things and thus despite being full adults, we're kind of stupid when it comes to these kinds of critical thoughts. We're built on avoiding such thoughts, and science fiction is meant to push the boundaries of what we are inside and out. Some have forgotten this.
Remember back in the days those episodes cam out on a weekly basis on Wednesday evening in Switzerland. And after Scorpion part II I was like :"I think we have a Borg crewmen no on the show....wow".
And we had to wait another weeks for it to continue :'D
Watching that Borg Cube maneuver and take out the attacking ship never gets old.
that maneuver by that Cube, woof
She had such a sultry soothing voice on that show.
Kes? Janeway? Seven?
@@johnp4008 Kes
@@johnp4008 Janeway
@@johnp4008 Kes! Listen to her with headphones. She could put me to sleep with the voice.
@@dewfall56 Not anymore. Have you seen what she looks like now?
Tuvok: We.. require.. assistance.
Chakotay: Nah, lemme waste time yelling at you instead of getting people down there asap. Tuvok! Tuvok!
Ugh.
A good two-parter. I can't wait till Failwhale34 reacts to all the Star Treks.
Makes you think though.... considering how many borg were being killed by Species 8472, they would have had a better run of things just ramming them with their ships and doing it via war of attrition.
8472 own an entire universe's worth of resources. The Borg would lose. fast.
@@sojourner. we don’t know how large their galaxy was, or how much of it they occupied. Just that it was fluidic space
@Forge17 The point remains, 8472 could have had a quadrant's worth of fleets and ships with a manufacturing, however they make their bioships, to quickly make up their losses, as far as we know while the Borg's method of assimilation operates quickly they would still need a significant portion of their forces traveling through the quadrants assimilating new tech and sentients to make up for their losses.
It would be an ineffective strategy in open warfare. A bioship is as fast as a cube is (if not faster) and can destroy them pretty much instantly with ordinary weapons fire. Cubes would never get close enough to ram the bioships.
The only reason the ramming was effective here is because it took place at warp speed. The collapsing warp fields and resulting monstrous forces as both ship masses were torn out of their respectuve subspace fields and back into normal space is what destroyed both vessels. Strong enough to kill a Borg cube and bioship, but not exactly a viable tactic since it is dependent upon the bioships being in close enough proximity to the Borg vessels while at warp.
Jane way was smart to hold back info in one of the books thr Borg make a deal with some romulans they explain they only intend to keep the deal with the romulans until they are no longer needed in which case they will be assimilated, due to Ferengis being assimilated.
Same with the dominion, they only keep deals as long as it is vcd advantageous to them.
"We die trying" The Janeway way is the best way.
This was a good series.
Damn, this old Star Trek series is so serious science fiction compared to today's comics. I'm thinking about watching it eventually.
The expanse is pretty good I love it
@@KawaiiSoulB42 I stopped on season 2. The fiction part was fun but the science part - sometimes I couldn't stand it. Miller falling off the orbiting spaceship's balcony in S2E4 - that was absolute cringe.
"What have you got in mind"
"I was thinking about trying out that new landing strip"
The best cliff hanger!
im going to have to watch this again love it
Mam, when the Borg get scared, they really go into "hit'em with everything" mod!
that was so good I wanna finish watching that episode
One of the best Voy eps.
The 2 part Borg story in the middle of The Next Generation was by far their best storyline, so too was this 2 part Borg story, again right in the middle of Voyager was by far their best storyline. Also the movie First Contact, once again with the Borg, was one of the 3 best Star Trek movies. Star Trek is simply awesome when the Borg are involved.
Look at her today... "we'll die trying..."
Nobody ever thought about fighting the Borg with . . . Swords, lances, arrows and spears
Picard actually gunned one drone down with a Tommy gun like a complete gangster.
@@GreyTide
i know . . and he reflected to discover . . that he loved it - and was shocked in the process.. but.. well.. it is also a reflection to all of us - the thin red line . . rubicon..
I want to know how Janeway so easily identified her as human. Many species look extremely close to Human. Even Kes and Tuvok.
Maybe they all smell a certain way. Borg don't shower often so they've probably got some serious funk going on.
So that's what would happen if the Vorlons entered the Star Trek universe ^^
Btw Kess did the exact same thing as Jason Ironheart in S01 of B5.
Indeed
Not enough mocking and mystery to be a true representation of the Vorlons, lol.
@@burstcity3832 Species 8472 are actually a combination of the Vorlons and Shadows from Babylon 5. Most of DS9 is also based off the original Babylon 5 story as well. There was a law suit about it and the Trek creators had to pay a big out of court settlement. They declined to take up the series when it was offered to them and then they plagiarised the work after the fact.
@@Ishlacorrin It made me sad to think how amazing B5 would have been with a Startrek budget.
I see what you mean about species 8472, multiple legs and strange body configuration does match the shadows a bit.
@@burstcity3832 We still have that chance, the official B5 reboot was announced with the original author at the helm. Will be interesting to see what he does with it this time around.
Loved this Episode
Voyager just got better and better, and the quality of the sets and production were superb, the best of any of the Star Trek series at the time. 7 of 9 added a much needed strong character to the series.
I really miss all of the series...
I miss all of TNG, DS9 and VOY.
"Security team to cargo bay 2"
Yeah, but what about a medical team as well?
Tuvok didn't sound at his best, did he? And the Captain didn't answer at all.
Maybe, like, send both the paramedics and the police to the emergency?
If the security team arrived first how would they know not to open fire?
That there is some good writing.
I would have ordered a security team AND a medical team to the cargo bay.
Voyager doesn't *have* a medical team, or else that's exactly what would have happened.
dun dun dunnn dunn dunn dunnn, great stuff
i wonder if the borg went into transwarp would they still be able to follow them..
Good question.
I have wondered that as well but I think the whole fluidic space concept means Species 8472 can move in similar ways as transwarp. It's interesting because both are different kinds of movement through space and distances.
Struck me as somewhat obvious the Borg did not want Voyager crossing their terroritory quickly. They were forced into a stalemate because of Janeway's threat to destroy the vital information they needed, but as seen here, the Borg were quite intent on trying to get their hands on the nanoprobes as soon as they could get/trick Voyager to hand them over.
Very likely.
The Borg called them the apex of biologically based technology, given their precise control of singularities, their insane weapons capable of planetary destruction in array form and ability to actually shape shift with technology.....
Well let's just say that transwarp sounds like childs play to them.
Besides the Borg transwarp is not true transwarp anyway - it's badly named given the earlier Voyager episode detailing what transwarp really means.
Their transwarp is more like Quantum Slipstream travel which relies heavily on the deflector, something Seven needed to create the singularity that brought Voyager to fluidic space - hence in my mind that 8472 have the tools for 'transwarp' already.
The Borg suite really emphasizes her um upper torso…
yeah that whole area..!
Since the Borg aren't known for prioritizing personal hygiene, imagine how bad the stench aboard a cube must eventually be. You can scrub the air, but standing next to an unwashed Borg must be atrocious
I believe their dead bodies are in some sort of preservative condition with the borg nanites in them so they shouldn't smell like a unwashed human bean lol
By no means am I trying to disagree with you, but our takeaways from Star Trek are quite different.
@@TigDegner Not exactly something I'd thought about before, but it did strike me as a thought when I was watching this clip that the cubes must really stink.
@@AC-iz7eh,
What exactly is a "human bean"? Some sort of new species of legume? Because the last time I checked it was 'human being'.
Or in the words of the Borg: "Your grammar is irrelevant."
Body odor is just bacteria that is easily destroyed by nanites. So no, I bet there is no human odor. But smelling like a greasy diesel shop -- that may be more accurate. lol
8472 was a HUGE opportunity missed.
In your opinion... how so?
They were expanded upon in the online game.
April 5, 2063
39.2K subscribers (At 3:17 to 4:21 ) Species 8472 has a really really amazing and truly iconic and catchy theme song that totally sends shivers down your spine. (me singing) "Duh Duh Duh! Dah Dah Dah DAAAH!!! DAH DAH DAH DAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!"
Jamie, I agree with you. Even still today that music is perfect. I always said that music at the right time with good writing and good actors make the scene.
@@April-dv2pb Thank you my friend. I wonder if any of the newer Star Trek TV Shows will ever bring back Species 8472 (so far the only and I mean the ONLY species to offer True Resistance to the Borg)? It would be really really really cool to see Species 8472 actually fighting alongside Humanity and joining Starfleet too.
I agree with you it would be nice to see 8472 again. A made for tv movie with the cast from Voyager and Species 8472. Every time I see Species 8472 it reminded me of the Shadows from Babylon 5.
@@April-dv2pb They did however managed to bring back both the ICONIC Romulans and the Gorn in Season 1 "Star Trek: Strange New Worlds" which I highly recommend you check it out someday (I LOVED what they did for the Gorn in "Strange New Worlds" by giving them a proper mythology origin as well as making them an extremely TERRIFYING, ancient, mysterious, and predatory repto-humanoid species with an unsatisfied ravenous appetite for Human flesh). I honestly don't know if Species 8472 will ever show up in either "Star Trek: Lower Decks" (probably as a cameo?) or in "Star Trek: Prodigy".
Interesting that Species 8472 were that telepathically strong. Strong enough to force their way into Kes'mind, who at this point had become pretty strong mentally and even she couldn't block them from her mind.
Either they're exceptionally strong over grewt distances or, there was a stowaway Undine (S8472) on Voyager or the Borg cube trying to connect to Kes' mind nearby.
It's a shame that after she got rid of that horrible pixie cut it was toward the end of her time on the show.
They protec
they atac
but most importantly
they has voyagers back
Damn, the Borg body enhancements are SO bulky. One would think they would design Small Form Factor Tech given they are in the future. Oh well 🤣
Small form factor tech breaks too easily and is a bitch to maintain.
Hint: Cube ships, no shape, no aesthetics. As the Borg say, IRRELEVANT.
That collision actually sort of breaks star trek ship to ship combat as a plot element, but it was broken that way before every time they used a shuttle to push through shields. It means rail guns would have been better than phasers and it begs the quest why torpedoes don't push through shields as well.
after finished shooting for the day, they all had an ice cream while reading their lines for the next day.
*ENTIRE BORG COLLECTIVE EVALUATES TACTICAL OPTIONS*
*ACCESSING TERRAN WRESTLING MARTIAL ARTS*
*ENGAGING POWERBOMB*
borg are good guys, picard should have do a memorial for them and federation should ahve let them assimilate them whole nation in honour for this noble secrifice, deeds of the borg wont be forgotten
April 5, 2063? i'll be back here then, enjoy the wait.
If only species 8472 had been a little more intelligent about it instead of charging in the Borg would have been history.
Lucky there was only a single bioship attacking.
Tuvok "Advise you send armed guards, and fucking floor it."
jeni lien she rocks
Spinning is so much cooler than not spinning.
Is it me or was this stuff better than what we have now?.....
Its a shame what happened to her in real life. I remember having a crush on her 😂
Hear hear.
What happened?
The actress who played Kes, Jennifer Lien, was arrested for exposing herself to minors.
@@hawkeye5955 Wow!
The actress who played Kess went off the rails in real life. It’s a sad story but worth reading about
Did she ever get healthy again?
Was thinking the same. She's actually a really great actress. Watch American History X if you haven't. We all love Seven, but basically laying off Kes to make room was a nasty move, and I blame her downfall at least partly on them.
@@cowsagainstcapitalism347 I went ahead and checked out American History X bro, just like you suggested. Holy hell those were some intense scenes.
@@cowsagainstcapitalism347 Harry was supposed to be laid off but he was chosen as among 50 most beautiful people at that time
At least she didn't pimp kids for the Illuminati like Chloe of Smallville
Seven always looked sexier as a full Borg...
1:23 When you're too tired at the end of the day to mask your autism 😅
Good-bye Kes! 🤣🤣🤣
So human beings are the best, the strongest species in this whole universe? Well I hope it's true 😲
Captain Janeway is the empress of Imperium of Mankind.
I don't remember this one. Cool.
Borg meet 8472. The Borg got their ass handed to them..
#1 trek in my book.
I always wondered: In canon, where did the idea to ram the 8472 ship come from? Was it the hive, an order from the Queen, or was it even 7 of 9 (who seems to be operating with a lot more independence than a regular drone,). I also wondered: Did the Borg ever use this tactic to kill other 8472 ships , and protect any other high value targets, in canon? It's inefficient, and I doubt it would be a war winning tactic, but it might well slow down their advance - given that up until this scene 8472 have believed that the Borg simply can't touch them _at_ _all_ . Dramatically I'd find that more pleasing, since a war with one side losing badly is plausible, but a war where one side (who are accomplished strategists and fighters in their way) never even manages to bloody the other... that's just a bit hard to swallow.
Course and heading changed. Whats the difference between those 2?
"We cannot let the nano probes be destroyed"
3:02 They're at warp, and those stars aren't moving.
3:16 They're at warp. Anything stationary that was 12,000 km aft would be millions of kilometers aft before he even opened his mouth to announce it.
The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend.
Too bad how Jennifer… kess turned out and real life, she became a full-blown addict.. I hope she recovered
It is fundamentally unrealistic that the bioships, the Borg and the Federation would have such short range weapons that ramming would be any even moderately realistic backup or alternative to directed energy weapons, or even torpedoes. With the ability to direct energy from several miles away, the chances of a 'ramming' become ludicrously small.
It's an Acceptable Break From Reality in order to allow the show to exist. You can't have exciting space battles under realistic conditions, just as you can't have a heroic captain if Starfleet protocol requires the command staff to avoid danger and let the redshirts take all the risks.
@@EnvisionerWill While I agree that this works for the show, I disagree with the "you can't have exciting space battles under realistic conditions". have you watch the Expanse?
@@Trueflights I have not. But if the starships can see each other by looking out a window, they're not being realistic. Perhaps they get closer than Star Trek, it's not like that's hard.
@@EnvisionerWill no, they rely on scanners and tech to track incoming ordinance and other ships locations. Rarely is anything closer than just a speck of light from ships propulsion in the black of space as they change thrust directions.
Reality would be the battle for Ds9 being two lines of ships firing long range ordinance at each other from an enormous distance. The entire idea of line battles in space is just insane.
In this case though, remembering how large cubes are and the target was voyager, its not hard to imagine the cube being able to move in between them. The other ship was treating the cube as a barrier and forgot it could be a threat.
how does the Borg cube spin and maintain course? the warp engines would move them at warp speed in that direction instantaneously.
They could have the warp engines mounted in a gyroscopic thing so it can counter rotate if they need to do something like this while travelling
the rotation does seem silly, unless there's some reason that it might take less energy to put the inevitable slight turning of the ship in a spin, rather than keep it pointed forward. But the cube obviously isnt really shaped to take advantage of the stability of rotation. I suspect it just looked a bit silly and like a cut-out or matting to have a static cube flying around. This way we get to see more of the doodads.
Borg ships aren't built like Federation ships. They don't have a front or rear like that, which must mean that their warp drives can form and shape their warp bubbles in any direction 360 degrees around the ship. Similarly their sublight engines can provide thrust in all directions too.
It's not unreasonable that a warp drive of such capability could adjust its warp bubble on the fly to allow the ship to spin using navigation thrusters/impulse engines while at warp and maintaining their heading in warp. All it would take is to continually and exactly rotate their warp field counter to their ship's rotation to maintain a constant warp heading regardless of the ship's rotation. A Federation ship could never perform this feat, but a Borg Cube could do it provided it could perform the necessary calculations and adjustments to the warp field fast enough.
I wager the reason we don't usually see Borg Cubes spinning like this is that it's rarely necessary and takes a huge amount of computational power to do, the Borg do not like to spend resources on anything which isn't strictly necessary. However in the rare case where they are fighting superior enemies it makes sense they are willing to expend those extra resources to stave off defeat, just like the ended up ramming the bioship to save something more valuable than the Cube.
The Cube's shape is irrelevant in space, it doesn't cause drag to spin, and spinning allows it to rotate through firing arcs and rotate shield facings much more rapidly than they could divert power to those weapon and shield arrays. Spinning to rotate firing arcs is a brilliant move when facing a foe where every bit of firepower matters and could mean the difference between victory and defeat.
I think this is one of the more brilliant things done by the Voyager showrunners. They are often ragged on for what they did to the Borg and other cases of bad writing, however I believe that in this case they correctly recognized that the Borg would be uniquely capable of this maneuver and I think it's great that they put it in there.
we must construct additional pylons
Borg babe
And yet again the commanding officer leaves the bridge and hands the control of the ship to junior officers during a crisis.
Paris is the highest ranking command crew on the bridge at the time...
@@furycarnategaming Paris becomes the highest ranking officer because apparently Chakotay is the most suitable person to check on the injured captain..
@@jonasnilsson6552 The only other Lt. Commander on bridge is Torres and she has her hands full with engineering, keeping the ship to gather and keeping borg tech where us belongs.
@@furycarnategaming That is kind of my point. None of them should leave their posts. Send someone non-critical to check on the injured captain. Maybe someone trained in emergency care. Or better yet, transport them directly to the sickbay. Instead we get to see the worst choice: Chakotay leaves his post during a crisis.
The Portable cat scan.
The Borg lady has a nice figure.
I hated that Species 8472 was just a plot device instead of an actual ongoing threat.
Right it woulda been sick to see them and the borg getting heavy into war and voyager getting caught up in the middle and actual problems. Trying to work with both sides or remain neutral at times.
I still have the hots for Kes
Whatever you do, do not look up what happened to the actrice that played Kes in later life.
found it rather odd how when 7 of 9 talks its her individual voice and not the collectives. its like we knew she was individual secretly, enough to ditch the borg
Janeway specifically asked for a representative to speak for the Borg that they could interact with, just like they did with Locutus in the past. I'm assuming they were able to modify Seven for this task which is why she speaks more like an individual, despite still being a drone.