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The problem for Royce is he approached this differently than he should've. He went lyrical-spiritual-miracle being all technical , when he should've went simple with direct shots. Lupe also responded way faster, although it is possible he had shit prepared ahead of time. Some of it repeats from his 9 min freestyle.
@@XekTOr89 you clearly haven’t been following this beef….. they had an argument over who was the better LYRICIST! That means that the technicals IS WHAT ROYCE IS SUPPOSED TO BE PROVING HE IS BETTER AT. Lupe took this personal.. THAT is lupes problem
@@lucascoxe8718 That’s interesting. I honestly didn’t even think of it the way that you put it. I’ll have to consider that. Although, Lupe’s diss went first, and I’m sure Royce heard it. It seems he would’ve went with the harder diss.
It's like what I said. Royce didn't take enough notes from Em. No matter how technical Em can get, he know what time it is when he's about to shred you.
I feel like them both being super skilled made royce think it would have been a battle of pure skill and got carried away in long drawn out yet impressive metaphor instead of just easier to catch jabs like lupe did while still bringing skills to keep it clear he's got it
Royce has Eminem on speed dial, a guy well known for and still perfectly capable of creating brutal diss tracks and he thought this 7 MINUTES filler filled "diss" was gonna do something. Even Em knows when to tone down the technicality and be straight forward, to the point. On killshot Em got creative in making his disses because there isn't a lot of info on MGK out there he can use compared to a lot of info on Em MGK could've used. Royce went all over the place. If this is the only round, Lupe won by a land slide.
For all the Royce enthusiasts, who can only hang their hat on - saying its was about the best song or the most skilled - check out the back story - they were on the phone with Murder Mook, Loaded Lux and Mickey Factz and referenced battle leagues. The challenge is about proving urself thru battle rap - and clearly his overly-technical approach backfired on him. Economics class is very technical too but who the hell wants to retake that class.
For everyone wondering why Royce made a song and Lupe made a diss and are confused is Royce called Lupe a bitch and after for some odd reason still thought the shit was gonna be friendly and just about who has the best pen🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Ya'll missed the part when lupe says "if it wasn't for"... he says that four times. So it wasn't random at all. He freestyled it but even those lines had a punch. Lupe W no doubt.
Both two of my fav Rappers of all time, that being said ... In terms of a diss track lupe has this round easy. Oh and the Monster Drink line was a reference to Royce being addicted to monster drink
It's also exposing the whole Dr Sebi vegetable diet shtik. It's just another contradiction of Royces I guess. Mama got a lot of them. Now he's going on about checking boxes lmao
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I feel like lupe's argument is valid if you call yourself the greatest you should prove it. Royce stance is if your established theres no need to prove shit(hence why he never responded to osiris) This whole thing got out hand podcast cancelled, friendship severed, Lupe seemed pissed off and these two greats going at it over some pretty live dont seem right.
I agree with Royce generally because 99% of people are not at his level so there’s no need to respond. But Lupe is at his level so he needs to accept that challenge ESPECIALLY after calling lu a bitch. Yeah it got blown outta proportion but he can’t expect to call lu a bitch and there be no repercussions
He said he’s not gonna get personal so I guess that means no, so I don’t know. Hopefully he’s lying🤷🏾♂️ but I don’t know how your not gonna get personal with a diss song🤦🏾♂️
Yup. I saw that too n it makes sense y his “diss” was the way it came out. He shoulda known better. Lupe would respond with a real diss that would appeal to the masses
@@KDLNBGH this whole thing was about who’s the better rapper/lyricist.. Royce made a lyrical masterpiece.. far from a diss track and apparently lupe couldn’t out rap him so him and mick got personal lol
@@xkingxlouiex dude have you listened to Lupe’s discography? We already know he can rap his ass off and he’s lyrically on another level than Royce. He’s got nothing to prove on that front
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I doesn’t listen to Lupe like that, but his approach was chef’s kiss. Abstract and technical disses has an acquire taste to it. If it was apart of the equation, then Royce would’ve had it. As far as direct dissing, Lupe turned the L around and shot it back.
In all honesty, i love Royce, but i couldnt even make it past the first quarter of the song lmao The flow was so mono. It sounds as if he had this song prewritten already for a radio show freestyle, and just decided to add a couple extra lines to it thinking it would make it sound more "diss" like😂 like if he wouldve went of flex or some shit and spit this over a better beat, it wouldve been straight 🔥!
The Royce diss was whack, not just it's too complicated for average listeners as it mimics Em's style but accusing Lupe for being an uncle tom 'You respect white people more than you love black people', implying that Lupe is a handicapped, that line of 'we gon' do this for Kanye' implying support for Ye, and 'I like my crackers dead and white' is race bars, is Royce being racist to white and black people and falsely accusing Lupe whilst showing support for Ye. Black racists exist as racism, nationalism, supremacism and ethnocentrism are not demographic dependent and will take anyone into the ideology. That's already a BIG L when you accuse someone with no proof of such claims, that's super lame, you should have picked that up in your reaction and noted that.
I enjoy Lupe's song better. But I don't know what's the criteria for this battle. The initial argument was about whose the best rapper which then turned into rapper beef. So i'm not sure what the metric is. diss song vs lyrical rap?
@@dobber43 I wouldn’t say best friend a friend maybe closer to associate kinda friend🤷🏾♂️ it’s definitely one sided Royce puts his cape on for Eminem but it doesn’t get reciprocated on the other end😂😂
Nah but this seems kinda weird. If the conversation that sparked it all was about who’s the best rapper, they didn’t have to drop disses like this. Whole beef, at least between these two songs, seems like Royce is aiming at being the best and Lupe’s aiming at Royce. I think Royce is absolutely capable of dropping a monstrous diss track, but he didn’t do that here for whatever reason. Lupe punished him here, but i think the situation changes if Royce is coming with a straight diss and not a technical display. Royce 100% more technical with his track, Lupe 100% better with the beef on his. Super weird situation.
So from my perspective Lupe been pushing this EOW as a way to determine who is the objectively, not subjectively, best. Royce seemed unwilling to listen to reason as his logic was "if I never heard of you how can you be the best" which is the most ignorant perspective to have. You can't know everybody so that doesn't invalidate actual skill. It kept going like that for a bit until Royce said a few things disrespectful and then when Lu finally had enough he was going off and Royce kept telling him to put a shirt on. He tried to cut Lu off saying "you better stop yourself before you say something you regret" in a way that I believe Lu interpreted as you'll regret because I'll make you regret it" so then they got into an argument about who called Lu which doesn't make sense and then "disses" started.
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Finally catching up on this beef. First time hearing both tracks and as much as I enjoy Royce, but his track was boring.. I definitely found myself wanting to hit the next button. Lupe totally won this.
In Royce's defense, I interpreted "big gums and small teeth" like "all bark and no bite," and if that's what he meant, that's a genuinely clever way to put it. Lu still bodied him, though.
Royce bored the shit outta me. I'm not looking for that in a Diss who wants to Break down a diss down by listening 3 or 4 times, shit was boring and I got Royce in my top 5. Lupe Cooked him I gotta check him out never really listened to him.
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Lupe won way too easy. I mean he is a great lyricist, but Royce got nothing, literally nothing of value in his lyrics. Just a bunch of rhymes and flows without content.
I'm super late now you probably know this but royce was clearly showing off his lyrical skills because the beef started because they were arguing about who is the best. But I REALLLLLLY wanted lupe to flex lyrically I think that he will WAAAAAAAAAASH Royce.
The “if it wasn’t for..if if wasn’t for…if it wasn’t for… n*gga I got a dozen more..”am I reaching for when Lupe says “for × four“ (Slaughterhouse) and then ‘I’ve got a dozen more“ as in D12 dirty dozen?
Lol Leafyturtles here. It was so hard to type all that and get your attention when you were right between reactions 😂😌 Phew.. but we got to see you react tho that's a W
I don't really use twitch anymore these days but I'll definitely be throwing my prime sub your way each month. Appreciate the break down. As a huge Royce fan who never really fucked with Lupe, I gotta say Lupe took round 1 hands down. Royce was technical af, but Lupe just came with the hard hits+technicalities.
I think Royce was setting up his song as bait. He finessed on the track and dropped a whole vibe layered with technical prowess (as Lupe called out). He showed a position of strength. Then Lupe drops his impeccable freestyle flow and goes for the throat with directs that have doubles and triples. Lupe was able to capture the minds of the casuals and the hip hop heads which is amazing. But I think it sets up Royce to really respond now. If this ended right now, Lupe wins despite how great Royce's track was. The real W is everyone who loves hip-hop/rap. But I don't think it stops here (I hope it doesn't). I'm a fan of both and look forward to Royce's response. Let's see if I'm right.
@@boi2na Fair enough. I can see the point here. But let’s be real, Lupe had to of touched Royce with this. It’s hard for me to accept Royce won’t answer this because the community will give Lupe the W because he was the pure diss track and Royce was a more technical piece with some jabs. But maybe that’s what they intended. Time will tell.
Royce was just showcasing his technique in terms of his rhyming and wordplay. His lyrics did have meaning, but the average person wouldn't be able to comprehend his technique and Polysyllabic layering. The difference is the multis have meaning compared to an illiterate rapper saying nothing and having no layers, wordplays, literary devices, multis etc. Lupe sounds hypocritical here because every track he has dropped was very layered while puzzled with entendres full of complexity. Lupe is an abstract writer dude doesn't have the right to complain about that 😂😂😂.
Lupe isn't an abstract writer, but his lyrics are still intricate asf, he is just the most layered writer out there. Aesop Rock, Illogic, MF DOOM, and maybe even Hexagon can be seen as abstract writers.
All those Heaven References is because Royce Da 5’9” home studio is named Heaven. “He always in heaven cause he already dead” Royce stays in his studio and has said that numerous times on the pod.
Yooooooo this some legendary shit. Both in my top 10. I think royce was trynna flex his lyrical ability more than go at Lupe but still....lupe blazed that man. Btw you ever gonna finish those lupe breakdown
This whole thing got so messy. Royce pressed Lupe to rap and then complained about it. He went on and pressed Mickey to rap just to complain about that too. Never answered either of them. I expected more from him. This could've been really good for Hip Hop. Sadly Royce killed it before it really took off.
I would say Royce took the diss more from like a race where he just wanted to show that he can run faster whereas Lupe took the diss from a perspective of Battle where he showed that he can destroy him in a rap battle…. I know Royce can do better if he was coming from the same perspective.
I agree. Royce coulda went at his throat. Not sure why he didn’t. Seem like he was just trying to show off everything he can do lyrically. Royce called it checking boxes. N his verse had more boxes checked then lupes
@@garyraffa5515 lupe doesn't have to get in a technical battle. Go listen to almost any song he's ever made and you'll see why. He literally has whole songs that are triple entendres 😂
For as technical as Em can be, when it comes to diss tracks, he knows when to fire simpler more direct rhymes. He’ll mix In some doubles, and shit like that but you knoooow exactly what he’s saying about you when he disses you. I feel like diss tracks are up his alley more so than Royce Tho.
Also As a battle n judging who has the better verse in Royce mind is called checking boxes. N to him his verse checked way more boxes. But thats not what the world was expecting. Lupes verse will appeal to the masses cuz he actually came at his neck
Royce came up with very technical song, it wasn't a full diss maybe just a flex on his ability while Lupe released a freestyle personal diss. It's obvious that Lupe had more impact as a diss but Royce did what he did and both incredible.
I think the more i listen to royce's song is that royce's wasnt a diss track but also wasnt intended to be. I think he was just name droppin lupe to get a response and maybe now hell unload a real diss
Hahahaha walk all over the house!!!!! Royce's 7 mins response vid he is walking everywhere in his house whipping his phone everywhere making the viewer dizzy
I'm a fan of Royce but this is for the ones that thought Royce was better than Em. Royce is getting exposed here unless he comes back with the dungeon and locks Lupe. But idk. That was a tko already. Lupe hit em with the soul crusher which was the right move against an artist like Royce. Not having classics, not having an impact is in every real artist rappers mind. Unfortunately, Royce is one of those artists. When Lupe brought that scheme up it was over for Royce. Lupe has 2 classic albums period. That shit will cut deep against any real artists who take their shit seriously.
Royce went personal and called Lu a bitch. Lu went from a skill battle to a diss. Lu can showcase his skills too, and this is SLR 3 1/2, not even SLR 4. If SLR 4 drops, then you will see the real lyrical abilities of Lupe (even though he showed us his lyrical skills with Mural).
@@Portthefirst I think he’s saving SLR4 for if Royce desides to respond, also I don’t understand how people don’t know about Royce calling him a bitch, once he did that who has the best pen was over 🙅🏾♂️Royce should’ve known the gloves were off how he didn’t I’m not sure😂😂
My boi Lupe prepared, seasoned, cooked, and served. I've always had respect for him; always put him in my top 5 lyricists. My guy's like Bruce Banner - always angry. You get 1 or the other, almost never both.
@@forbiddenbox I really can't answer that. There are so many that have done it during their era. I'll give you names for a top 10 but in no particular order: BIG, Tupac, Lupe, Eminem, Lucas Going further: Jay-Z, NAS, NF (a weird choice but I have to give him credit), Tech9, and the TH-cam rap scene as a whole (a lot of these artists have better songs than most mainstream artists. Sorry if you consider this a cop out).
The beef started on whos the better rapper so Royce showed that. Lupe may have been more direct but 80% of his bars were weak! For me, Royce won it. And I dont believe Royce wanted to go too hard on Lupe cuz he considered him as a friend. But after the Lupe response, if Royce was gonna do it, it wudve been hundred times vicious trust me.
HAHAHAHAH, "if Royce wanted to go hard"... lol, Lupe responded in 3.5 hours thus SLR 3 "1/2" lmfaoooo, Royce took a full week, lol. Beef started on who's the better skills, buy Royce weny personal and Lupe did a diss, this ain't about lyrical skills now, it's about being disrespectful. Now, if we talking skills, bring me the most lyrical song of Royce here and compare it to Mural. Let's count literary devices, let's count schemes, let's count entendres, let's count wordplays. I'm here, go on, I'll wait. Yes, I'm toxic, but let's debate objectively!
@@Advaitamanta and, what's the point? In no way Daylyt have used more literay devices than Lupe. Don't tell me nothing about Daylyt cause I'm a big Daylyt stan. I know his metaphoric/homophonic wordplays schemes are mindblowing, I know that his esoteric knowledge matches that of Lupe, but no way does Day have more literary devices in his songs than Lupe. In the song Mean and Vicious, Lupe used 12 different literary devices, while his rhyming method was simple. Lupe is literary devices master.
Royce (Great MC) just happen to make a 1st round mistake. If you’re intellectually sound enough you do appreciate Royces (Song) but clearly see it’s not a “True Diss” by any means…all he did was show you how Elite his pen game is with subtle jabs…Lupe also (Great MC) on the other hand clearly took this sh*t personal and came with a battling straight to the point Dissing mind set. Love Both MC’s but Lupe took round 1 of hopefully a couple. Enjoyed the Vid 👍
Royce said he wasn't gonna come back and it wasn't supposed to get personal but man he should cuz Lupe toasted him. Definitely what you said in the sum up.
Imagine if it was black thought vs one of these two and how different a battle it would be either way. I can't help but feel like that would be fun to watch based on how these two went at each other
Nobody is willing to go at Thought. There aren't negative things to say about him so you can't take the direct approach. What you gonna say "look at you playing for Fallon making money on the daily" In terms of the technical approach there may be some better than Thought but you don't wanna test him
🤷♂️ royce out rapped him. An lost a beef 😂 I'd take that. Royce also didn't wanna put diss in the title but lupe set him up. GG lupe. Freestyle or not royce was levels above 😂
Lupe bodied this round, but Royce not being a beef rapper? You must now know Who Got Bodied or Malcolm X...If Royce goes for a full on diss reply he could take Lupe, if anything he's more of the beef-rapper between the two
To me I heard the entire diss track as him both proving himself as a better lyricist and a better overall rapper while letting lu know this ain’t what he want. I felt like this was more of a “charged up” I really loved royces verse tho tbh. Definitely not an easy listen tbh. Tone Nwigwe made a comment under this and he said “unnecessarily masterful” and I definitely agree. But I still loved this record cause it seemed like he was really educating this man. But you definitely have to be a regular listener of this level of rap in order to feel like Royce did his shit on this one but that’s how I feel
The issue is that Royce didn't write this to make a scathing diss at Lupe. He was just competing. The problem is that he didn't anticipate that Lupe was going to make a scathing diss record. They had different goals.
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Lupe sounds like freestyle, which is even more disrepect
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Lupe bodied him. It wasn't even close. And the problem for Royce is that this was just a warm up for Lupe.
The problem for Royce is he approached this differently than he should've. He went lyrical-spiritual-miracle being all technical , when he should've went simple with direct shots. Lupe also responded way faster, although it is possible he had shit prepared ahead of time. Some of it repeats from his 9 min freestyle.
@@XekTOr89 you clearly haven’t been following this beef….. they had an argument over who was the better LYRICIST! That means that the technicals IS WHAT ROYCE IS SUPPOSED TO BE PROVING HE IS BETTER AT. Lupe took this personal.. THAT is lupes problem
@@lucascoxe8718 all lupe wanted was for him to rap. Nut he wasnt spitting shit. Then Royce called him a birch
@@lucascoxe8718 That’s interesting. I honestly didn’t even think of it the way that you put it. I’ll have to consider that. Although, Lupe’s diss went first, and I’m sure Royce heard it. It seems he would’ve went with the harder diss.
@@lucascoxe8718 i agree with ya ..but lupe really got to royce
when you spend weeks writing and get bodied with a freestyle
😂
Most savage response. Always remember boys, Lupe only took 2 hours to respond to Royce's track. This is beyond god level. Lupe burried him.
It's like what I said. Royce didn't take enough notes from Em. No matter how technical Em can get, he know what time it is when he's about to shred you.
Yup. Ain’t people saying Royce thought it was gonna be friendly. You call someone a bitch, the shit ain’t sweet no more
On point!
Em > Lupe
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@@ishaking6278Lupe>em
I feel like them both being super skilled made royce think it would have been a battle of pure skill and got carried away in long drawn out yet impressive metaphor instead of just easier to catch jabs like lupe did while still bringing skills to keep it clear he's got it
What is the long and drawn out metaphor?
I feel the same way. I'm a fan of both but you have to give round 1 to lupe based on the content
Factz!
Royce has Eminem on speed dial, a guy well known for and still perfectly capable of creating brutal diss tracks and he thought this 7 MINUTES filler filled "diss" was gonna do something. Even Em knows when to tone down the technicality and be straight forward, to the point. On killshot Em got creative in making his disses because there isn't a lot of info on MGK out there he can use compared to a lot of info on Em MGK could've used. Royce went all over the place. If this is the only round, Lupe won by a land slide.
Royce: No Diss 7 mins track. Lupe: Real Diss Track. The End.
As much as I love Royce...he got cooked here...yikes
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if it wasn't for (x4), I got a dozen more. it's a D12 reference.
That was so hard he said for then four three times but the vowel repeated 4 times to bring it full circle. Lupe too insane
What does Royce have to do with D12?
@@Sympanet they beef’d way back in the day g
@@pascalnguyen6322 yeah but that line is talking about people who propped up his career
If it wasn't 4 (3)=dozen / for 444 then went into a Jay Z bar
For everyone wondering why Royce made a song and Lupe made a diss and are confused is Royce called Lupe a bitch and after for some odd reason still thought the shit was gonna be friendly and just about who has the best pen🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
I mean you call me a bitch it ain’t gonna be friendly. Lol
You have the best comment here because it's accurate
Remeber in live daylyt said royce is shot and he would body him no reply from royce...
Ya'll missed the part when lupe says "if it wasn't for"... he says that four times. So it wasn't random at all. He freestyled it but even those lines had a punch. Lupe W no doubt.
Both two of my fav Rappers of all time, that being said ... In terms of a diss track lupe has this round easy. Oh and the Monster Drink line was a reference to Royce being addicted to monster drink
It's also exposing the whole Dr Sebi vegetable diet shtik. It's just another contradiction of Royces I guess. Mama got a lot of them. Now he's going on about checking boxes lmao
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Lmao there dancing around ems name lmao there both dope
Emenim dont want problems with Lupe
I feel like lupe's argument is valid if you call yourself the greatest you should prove it. Royce stance is if your established theres no need to prove shit(hence why he never responded to osiris) This whole thing got out hand podcast cancelled, friendship severed, Lupe seemed pissed off and these two greats going at it over some pretty live dont seem right.
I agree with Royce generally because 99% of people are not at his level so there’s no need to respond. But Lupe is at his level so he needs to accept that challenge ESPECIALLY after calling lu a bitch. Yeah it got blown outta proportion but he can’t expect to call lu a bitch and there be no repercussions
@@TheThirdErnest yep.
Lupe murdered him. Kinda exposed him. Hope Royce comes back because I didn’t expect it to be so one sided.
He said he’s not gonna get personal so I guess that means no, so I don’t know. Hopefully he’s lying🤷🏾♂️ but I don’t know how your not gonna get personal with a diss song🤦🏾♂️
I love Royce... but sorry Lupé gave him a smoove L
The smoovest of L’s lol
@@TheThirdErnest lol for real
Royce got caught up "checking his boxes."
Yup. I saw that too n it makes sense y his “diss” was the way it came out. He shoulda known better. Lupe would respond with a real diss that would appeal to the masses
Lupe sounded like he wasn’t even trying and STILL bodied Royce... hope Royce doesn’t drop a response track for his own sake
He’d murder lu if he actually tried lmao what you on
@@xkingxlouiex then why doesn’t he try?
@@KDLNBGH this whole thing was about who’s the better rapper/lyricist.. Royce made a lyrical masterpiece.. far from a diss track and apparently lupe couldn’t out rap him so him and mick got personal lol
@@xkingxlouiex dude have you listened to Lupe’s discography? We already know he can rap his ass off and he’s lyrically on another level than Royce. He’s got nothing to prove on that front
@@KDLNBGH obviously, I’m not gonna talk about something I don’t know
Just on time, I've been waiting for this🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
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I doesn’t listen to Lupe like that, but his approach was chef’s kiss.
Abstract and technical disses has an acquire taste to it. If it was apart of the equation, then Royce would’ve had it.
As far as direct dissing, Lupe turned the L around and shot it back.
you should get into Lupe, he has easily a claim at the best lyricist of all time, there is hardly anyone that comes close
In all honesty, i love Royce, but i couldnt even make it past the first quarter of the song lmao The flow was so mono. It sounds as if he had this song prewritten already for a radio show freestyle, and just decided to add a couple extra lines to it thinking it would make it sound more "diss" like😂 like if he wouldve went of flex or some shit and spit this over a better beat, it wouldve been straight 🔥!
Lupe bodied Royce. No question. Royces track wasn't even a diss. It was tough to listen.
The Royce diss was whack, not just it's too complicated for average listeners as it mimics Em's style but accusing Lupe for being an uncle tom 'You respect white people more than you love black people', implying that Lupe is a handicapped, that line of 'we gon' do this for Kanye' implying support for Ye, and 'I like my crackers dead and white' is race bars, is Royce being racist to white and black people and falsely accusing Lupe whilst showing support for Ye. Black racists exist as racism, nationalism, supremacism and ethnocentrism are not demographic dependent and will take anyone into the ideology. That's already a BIG L when you accuse someone with no proof of such claims, that's super lame, you should have picked that up in your reaction and noted that.
I enjoy Lupe's song better. But I don't know what's the criteria for this battle. The initial argument was about whose the best rapper which then turned into rapper beef. So i'm not sure what the metric is. diss song vs lyrical rap?
If he removes all the disses towards Lupe, the song might be normal length and a decent song otherwise.
i don't even care about these two rappers and yet here i am watching the entire video because its TheThirdErnest lol
Same never heard of the first one only lupe
@@pastelshadows6594 never heard of Royce? Shit
@@pastelshadows6594 royce is eminems best friend he's been on basically every album since slim shady lp
@@pastelshadows6594 Man, yall be living under rocks, lol
@@dobber43 I wouldn’t say best friend a friend maybe closer to associate kinda friend🤷🏾♂️ it’s definitely one sided Royce puts his cape on for Eminem but it doesn’t get reciprocated on the other end😂😂
Nah but this seems kinda weird. If the conversation that sparked it all was about who’s the best rapper, they didn’t have to drop disses like this. Whole beef, at least between these two songs, seems like Royce is aiming at being the best and Lupe’s aiming at Royce. I think Royce is absolutely capable of dropping a monstrous diss track, but he didn’t do that here for whatever reason. Lupe punished him here, but i think the situation changes if Royce is coming with a straight diss and not a technical display. Royce 100% more technical with his track, Lupe 100% better with the beef on his. Super weird situation.
So from my perspective Lupe been pushing this EOW as a way to determine who is the objectively, not subjectively, best. Royce seemed unwilling to listen to reason as his logic was "if I never heard of you how can you be the best" which is the most ignorant perspective to have. You can't know everybody so that doesn't invalidate actual skill. It kept going like that for a bit until Royce said a few things disrespectful and then when Lu finally had enough he was going off and Royce kept telling him to put a shirt on. He tried to cut Lu off saying "you better stop yourself before you say something you regret" in a way that I believe Lu interpreted as you'll regret because I'll make you regret it" so then they got into an argument about who called Lu which doesn't make sense and then "disses" started.
Thanks so much always great to hear your thoughts happy Sunday much love and God bless x
I really love and appreciate your channel man, I first started watching when you reviewed Detroit 2. I can always tell that you listen and actually pay attention to what they're saying in the song and you don't just do a clickbait reaction like most of theseisic reviewers. Keep doing what your doing mam
RIP Royce
you will be remembered
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Finally catching up on this beef. First time hearing both tracks and as much as I enjoy Royce, but his track was boring.. I definitely found myself wanting to hit the next button. Lupe totally won this.
Also, I am that person that loves listening to technical rap. I enjoy it 100% and will replay for sure.
In Royce's defense, I interpreted "big gums and small teeth" like "all bark and no bite," and if that's what he meant, that's a genuinely clever way to put it.
Lu still bodied him, though.
Royce can come off as the Michael Eric Dyson of rap. Let’s be real.
Lmao and I fux with MED too but I totally get what you’re saying and it’s on point.
100%
When he was talking slaughter house when use "if it wasn't for"
Royce bored the shit outta me. I'm not looking for that in a Diss who wants to Break down a diss down by listening 3 or 4 times, shit was boring and I got Royce in my top 5. Lupe Cooked him I gotta check him out never really listened to him.
If I were you, I would skip "drogas light" the album. Thats when his label was forcing him to be a mumble rapper. But everything else is fire!.. Ernest has a series here mainly about lupe
@@Fragmented_sins if you can lmk like 2 or 3 songs that are fire, appreciate you
Lupe Fiasco’s freshman and sophomore albums “Food & Liquor” and “The Cool” are in my weekly rotation. In terms of being a creative fucking genius, Lupe has that in spades.
Some of my favorite songs are ‘Kick, Push’ ‘The Cool’ and ‘Hurt Me Soul’ off of Food & Liquor. Off of The Cool I really like ‘Bitch Bad’, ‘The Coolest’, ‘Go Go Gadget Flow’, ‘Little Weapon’, and ‘Hip-Hop Just Saved My Life’.
@@thebluesmurfdude Thank You my Friend
Ahhh so you prefer dumbed down
Long shot? Oh No Sir! He won by a lung shot. Lupe killed that man. Took the breath out of his lungs like Zaheer from Legend of Korra
Lupe started off very kindergarten rapish idk I wasn't feeling his all that much just didn't click with me.
you gotta react to daves album fully, its a work of art and a true masterpiece man!
Already did on twitch. Should be out on TH-cam if I can get it unmuted. It’s album of the year for me so far
Who Dave?
Lupe won way too easy. I mean he is a great lyricist, but Royce got nothing, literally nothing of value in his lyrics. Just a bunch of rhymes and flows without content.
That's exactly what I was thinking! Like....just because it's intricate doesn't mean that it's good
Then obviously you weren’t listening to what he was saying 🤷🏽♂️
@@xkingxlouiex obviously.
Royce really needs some EQ on the voice. It sounds like it's over an intercom. It makes it a rough listen. He can rap his ass off though.
I'm super late now you probably know this but royce was clearly showing off his lyrical skills because the beef started because they were arguing about who is the best.
But I REALLLLLLY wanted lupe to flex lyrically I think that he will WAAAAAAAAAASH Royce.
Lupe definitely freestyles some of that but if it wasn’t for and dozen more he’s talking about Four members of slaughter house and D-12
The “if it wasn’t for..if if wasn’t for…if it wasn’t for… n*gga I got a dozen more..”am I reaching for when Lupe says “for × four“ (Slaughterhouse) and then ‘I’ve got a dozen more“ as in D12 dirty dozen?
Lol Leafyturtles here. It was so hard to type all that and get your attention when you were right between reactions 😂😌
Phew.. but we got to see you react tho that's a W
I don't really use twitch anymore these days but I'll definitely be throwing my prime sub your way each month. Appreciate the break down. As a huge Royce fan who never really fucked with Lupe, I gotta say Lupe took round 1 hands down. Royce was technical af, but Lupe just came with the hard hits+technicalities.
you need to check out Daylyt's Loaded Lux Diss and Loaded Lux dissing every battle rapper on (G.O.D)
Cool vid man
I think Royce was setting up his song as bait. He finessed on the track and dropped a whole vibe layered with technical prowess (as Lupe called out). He showed a position of strength. Then Lupe drops his impeccable freestyle flow and goes for the throat with directs that have doubles and triples. Lupe was able to capture the minds of the casuals and the hip hop heads which is amazing. But I think it sets up Royce to really respond now. If this ended right now, Lupe wins despite how great Royce's track was. The real W is everyone who loves hip-hop/rap. But I don't think it stops here (I hope it doesn't). I'm a fan of both and look forward to Royce's response. Let's see if I'm right.
royce said he's not going to do a personal diss to Lu because he thinks Lu was all emotional and " didn't check the boxes "
@@boi2na Fair enough. I can see the point here. But let’s be real, Lupe had to of touched Royce with this. It’s hard for me to accept Royce won’t answer this because the community will give Lupe the W because he was the pure diss track and Royce was a more technical piece with some jabs. But maybe that’s what they intended. Time will tell.
Royce was just showcasing his technique in terms of his rhyming and wordplay. His lyrics did have meaning, but the average person wouldn't be able to comprehend his technique and Polysyllabic layering. The difference is the multis have meaning compared to an illiterate rapper saying nothing and having no layers, wordplays, literary devices, multis etc. Lupe sounds hypocritical here because every track he has dropped was very layered while puzzled with entendres full of complexity. Lupe is an abstract writer dude doesn't have the right to complain about that 😂😂😂.
Lupe isn't an abstract writer, but his lyrics are still intricate asf, he is just the most layered writer out there. Aesop Rock, Illogic, MF DOOM, and maybe even Hexagon can be seen as abstract writers.
Yo, always love your breakdown, you gotta do the Mickey Factz's WRAiTH, one of the BEST disses in recent years, so many wordplays.
Crazy how you could write something to technical that it kills the vibe while Lupe was actually dissing
All those Heaven References is because Royce Da 5’9” home studio is named Heaven.
“He always in heaven cause he already dead”
Royce stays in his studio and has said that numerous times on the pod.
Yooooooo this some legendary shit. Both in my top 10. I think royce was trynna flex his lyrical ability more than go at Lupe but still....lupe blazed that man. Btw you ever gonna finish those lupe breakdown
This whole thing got so messy. Royce pressed Lupe to rap and then complained about it. He went on and pressed Mickey to rap just to complain about that too. Never answered either of them. I expected more from him. This could've been really good for Hip Hop. Sadly Royce killed it before it really took off.
I would say Royce took the diss more from like a race where he just wanted to show that he can run faster whereas Lupe took the diss from a perspective of Battle where he showed that he can destroy him in a rap battle…. I know Royce can do better if he was coming from the same perspective.
I agree. Royce coulda went at his throat. Not sure why he didn’t. Seem like he was just trying to show off everything he can do lyrically. Royce called it checking boxes. N his verse had more boxes checked then lupes
@@garyraffa5515 no..... royce did the same lego raps he accused mickey of and thats fact.
@@garyraffa5515 lupe doesn't have to get in a technical battle. Go listen to almost any song he's ever made and you'll see why. He literally has whole songs that are triple entendres 😂
For as technical as Em can be, when it comes to diss tracks, he knows when to fire simpler more direct rhymes. He’ll mix
In some doubles, and shit like that but you knoooow exactly what he’s saying about you when he disses you. I feel like diss tracks are up his alley more so than Royce
Tho.
Letttss Gooo!
Also As a battle n judging who has the better verse in Royce mind is called checking boxes. N to him his verse checked way more boxes. But thats not what the world was expecting. Lupes verse will appeal to the masses cuz he actually came at his neck
Pretty sure the term you were looking for, to describe Royce's dis, is called a "stream of consciousness"
Royce came up with very technical song, it wasn't a full diss maybe just a flex on his ability while Lupe released a freestyle personal diss. It's obvious that Lupe had more impact as a diss but Royce did what he did and both incredible.
I think the more i listen to royce's song is that royce's wasnt a diss track but also wasnt intended to be. I think he was just name droppin lupe to get a response and maybe now hell unload a real diss
Hahahaha walk all over the house!!!!! Royce's 7 mins response vid he is walking everywhere in his house whipping his phone everywhere making the viewer dizzy
I'm a fan of Royce but this is for the ones that thought Royce was better than Em.
Royce is getting exposed here unless he comes back with the dungeon and locks Lupe.
But idk. That was a tko already.
Lupe hit em with the soul crusher which was the right move against an artist like Royce. Not having classics, not having an impact is in every real artist rappers mind. Unfortunately, Royce is one of those artists.
When Lupe brought that scheme up it was over for Royce. Lupe has 2 classic albums period.
That shit will cut deep against any real artists who take their shit seriously.
Man it’s not even close. Lupe 🔥
Wasn’t this suppose to be a skill battle? Royce did not want to get very personal
yeah they arguing who had the better skill so i think royce show he got it and lupe made a diss track
Royce made a song, Lupe made a diss, so it depends how you rate it, I like Royce’s song more but Lupe won the round so….
Royce went personal and called Lu a bitch. Lu went from a skill battle to a diss. Lu can showcase his skills too, and this is SLR 3 1/2, not even SLR 4. If SLR 4 drops, then you will see the real lyrical abilities of Lupe (even though he showed us his lyrical skills with Mural).
@@Portthefirst I think he’s saving SLR4 for if Royce desides to respond, also I don’t understand how people don’t know about Royce calling him a bitch, once he did that who has the best pen was over 🙅🏾♂️Royce should’ve known the gloves were off how he didn’t I’m not sure😂😂
Lupe for tha win! Heaven is the name of Royce’s studio
I never thought I'd be saying this but royce got Bodied
My boi Lupe prepared, seasoned, cooked, and served.
I've always had respect for him; always put him in my top 5 lyricists.
My guy's like Bruce Banner - always angry. You get 1 or the other, almost never both.
What's your top 5 for lyricist?
@@forbiddenbox I really can't answer that. There are so many that have done it during their era. I'll give you names for a top 10 but in no particular order: BIG, Tupac, Lupe, Eminem, Lucas
Going further: Jay-Z, NAS, NF (a weird choice but I have to give him credit), Tech9, and the TH-cam rap scene as a whole (a lot of these artists have better songs than most mainstream artists. Sorry if you consider this a cop out).
@@addictedtoJB Oh good list
Ernest the G.O.A.T POP those videos
Thank you ernest I've been waiting for this ever since yesterday😤🔥
Royce was dissing with love, wish he responded with a Malcolm X type diss
Nah, thanks for the welcome backs, been a bit.
The beef started on whos the better rapper so Royce showed that. Lupe may have been more direct but 80% of his bars were weak! For me, Royce won it. And I dont believe Royce wanted to go too hard on Lupe cuz he considered him as a friend. But after the Lupe response, if Royce was gonna do it, it wudve been hundred times vicious trust me.
HAHAHAHAH, "if Royce wanted to go hard"... lol, Lupe responded in 3.5 hours thus SLR 3 "1/2" lmfaoooo, Royce took a full week, lol. Beef started on who's the better skills, buy Royce weny personal and Lupe did a diss, this ain't about lyrical skills now, it's about being disrespectful. Now, if we talking skills, bring me the most lyrical song of Royce here and compare it to Mural. Let's count literary devices, let's count schemes, let's count entendres, let's count wordplays. I'm here, go on, I'll wait. Yes, I'm toxic, but let's debate objectively!
@@Portthefirst Ummm Go listen to Daylyt's age of aquarius
@@Advaitamanta and, what's the point? In no way Daylyt have used more literay devices than Lupe. Don't tell me nothing about Daylyt cause I'm a big Daylyt stan. I know his metaphoric/homophonic wordplays schemes are mindblowing, I know that his esoteric knowledge matches that of Lupe, but no way does Day have more literary devices in his songs than Lupe. In the song Mean and Vicious, Lupe used 12 different literary devices, while his rhyming method was simple. Lupe is literary devices master.
@@Advaitamanta isnt Daylyt a Lupe stan?
I knew we would see I to I at some point great reaction
Now you should do Mickey Facts diss "Wraith"
Royce made his own version of mural
and it was shiiiiiiit. That was clearly a mistake. He thought he did something special too going off his instagram comments.
THE IMPRESSION OF THAT GUY YOU FRIENDS WITH. HE WAS TALKING ABT EMINEM.
We early lfg!!!
Royce (Great MC) just happen to make a 1st round mistake. If you’re intellectually sound enough you do appreciate Royces (Song) but clearly see it’s not a “True Diss” by any means…all he did was show you how Elite his pen game is with subtle jabs…Lupe also (Great MC) on the other hand clearly took this sh*t personal and came with a battling straight to the point Dissing mind set. Love Both MC’s but Lupe took round 1 of hopefully a couple. Enjoyed the Vid 👍
Royce said he wasn't gonna come back and it wasn't supposed to get personal but man he should cuz Lupe toasted him. Definitely what you said in the sum up.
The thing is this all started to prove who is the best. Royce went in with mentality but Lupe went for more direct personal diss and cuts.
Royce called him a bit*h and thought it would be friendly? That's his fk up
Imagine if it was black thought vs one of these two and how different a battle it would be either way. I can't help but feel like that would be fun to watch based on how these two went at each other
Nobody is willing to go at Thought. There aren't negative things to say about him so you can't take the direct approach. What you gonna say "look at you playing for Fallon making money on the daily"
In terms of the technical approach there may be some better than Thought but you don't wanna test him
Harry Mack Omegle bars reaction!!
🤷♂️ royce out rapped him. An lost a beef 😂 I'd take that. Royce also didn't wanna put diss in the title but lupe set him up. GG lupe. Freestyle or not royce was levels above 😂
If it wasn't for (4), if it wasn't for, if it wasn't for, if it wasn't for (slaughter house has 4 members)
Nigga I got a dozen more (D12)
when you spend weeks writing and get bodied with a freestyle. when you spend weeks writing and get bodied with a freestyle.
Lupe bodied this round, but Royce not being a beef rapper? You must now know Who Got Bodied or Malcolm X...If Royce goes for a full on diss reply he could take Lupe, if anything he's more of the beef-rapper between the two
LETS GO! Great time for the fans. Lupe got this round
Did you review Mickey Factz diss track to Royce? I wanna see your take on it.
Royce is rapping rapping Lupe was battling
Royce talking on the track not indirect with brother's the same way he does with IG. He is throwing a temper tantrum not saying directly how he feel.
To me I heard the entire diss track as him both proving himself as a better lyricist and a better overall rapper while letting lu know this ain’t what he want. I felt like this was more of a “charged up” I really loved royces verse tho tbh. Definitely not an easy listen tbh. Tone Nwigwe made a comment under this and he said “unnecessarily masterful” and I definitely agree. But I still loved this record cause it seemed like he was really educating this man. But you definitely have to be a regular listener of this level of rap in order to feel like Royce did his shit on this one but that’s how I feel
He cant educate lupe lol
Mural he said he would do a 16 then just flow after a certain point stop then write another 16 and flow so forth and so forth.
Two completely different classes Royce & Lupe put on.
The issue is that Royce didn't write this to make a scathing diss at Lupe. He was just competing. The problem is that he didn't anticipate that Lupe was going to make a scathing diss record. They had different goals.
Basically, Royce wasnt "dissing" Lupe but Lupe definitely "dissed" Royce
If it wasn't four, four, four, four, I got a dozen more (D12)