I Hate ShVaks - I-225 1v6 Clutch - War Thunder
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The I-225 is a great plane but it has a few drawbacks, the guns and the compression being the biggest ones. It's fast, climbs extremely well and with the flaps it can actually turn fight a lot of planes.
Fuel: 20 mins
Ammo: Tracers
Convergence: 600 meters
Vertical Targeting: No
Crew: maxed (lvl 75) + expert
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SMIGUL LAND I225 ON CRAEER
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Yes
Affirmative :D
Leading for Landing!
Attack the D point!
That happens to me but with everything because my aims shit
Pick Sweden, even though your enemy is behind you, if you shoot forward the bullets still hit it
@Infinity you didn't get the joke. He said he has bad aim, and I said "Pick sweden, because of good guns, then made the exaggeration "you'll hit at any time even when enemy is following you".
@@kingghidorah8106 me in a fw190 and i get hit by j22 when I'm snap rolling the shit out of my plane only swedish planes can really hit me
2:56 “very respectable enemies as well”
Right when we can see mr BUTT NAKED diving on your squad mate
dont judge a book by its cover i guess lmfao
Butt Naked is a famous Liberian war General though.
@@NookyAvenger do you mean reformed pastor?)))
dont forget the air marshall that is Gen_Italia
IMO shvaks need to get a buff. Hit registration is terrible (in my experience) and they do such pitiful damage
Somehow, I don’t even know how it’s possible but they are worse than even hisparkos
And the ho-5 are even worse than these!
@@DEFYN Ho-5 are garbage and I hate them. But I recently discovered that the Tracer belt on them that had all AP-T is quite good. I say give them a shot (ba dum tss)
It's hilarious that the 12.7mm rounds are more effective. It's like they looked at ShVAKs and thought "Yeah, lets give it the Japanese 7.7mm damage output."
Shvaks are a pain. They literally only cause damage one of every 4 cycles and only one of every four bullets of each cycle. And tracers literally trespass targets without dealing damage. In Il-2 Sturmovik (a real trustworthy well documented warbird dogfight simulator) you only need 5 seconds of constant click to tear a K-4 in pieces (5× 10rps=50 bullets), you here instead have to waste all your 300 rounds to at least doom a zero.
0:18
"HitVAK"
"ShitVAK"
That name tho, Gen_italia💀
I read on the forums that you actually want to use the AP belts with Russian 20mm. I did a few test flights with them and they did seem to work better than Tracer or Ground Target belts. I haven't tried in a real game however yet.
AP works better sub 500 meters (shell travel not range)
but the tracers are more consistent overal i tend to shoot at medium-long ranges too so for me tracers are a bit better
In all honesty, the belts for the Russians are all about personal preference and which ones you aim better with. I use universal belts so I can have some tracer rounds to help me aim and rounds that pack a punch, the AP for Pilot Sniping and destroying modules, and the HE for breaking wings and other structural parts.
Nice vid as allways, thanks and keep the good job
your vids have made me improve in planes. ty
The slander about the d9 was hilarious!
Dora is just a 9yo child, easy clap
Aah a long one, just how i like it
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I'm keeping that.
That’s what she said
I've loved the I-225 since it first came out. Unfortunately the Shvaks can really hold it back.
They make me hate most russian planes lol
@@DEFYN I cant hate planes because of their guns. It's like hating a video you posted because of one part that you could've done better. Y'know?
I get that in a way, but every engagement you do might end up being ruined due to the guns. It's not a small thing like a part of a video. I see it more as an amazing video, with great graphics, explanation etc but the guy talking has an unbearable voice x)
This plane actually has mixture modeled, so running the default mixture isn't ideal. It leaves you a bit hot at low altitudes. 70% up to 3km, and 40% above that seems to work best. Also, if you keep both rads on full, overheating doesn't become a problem.
Ah good to know, cheers
Japanese zero player: OH NO A MIG 225 I'M DEAD!!
Mig 225: Booms zero's cockpit glass but deals no damage
*_Russian bias._*
Every player: "¡RuSsiAn BIaS! 😭"
"Josif S. was not pleased with the intro performance, person responsible for guns not working properly is on his way to Gulag, thank you for reporting this, have a nice day"
~Gaijin Ltd. Community Support
0:18 what happens every time I reverse someone in the Spitfire F Mk IX....
Atleast it's easy to reverse people in that thing lol
@@DEFYN True, but not so easy to kill, most of my kills are pilot snipes.
@@ninpgmer8959 yeah, for example today flew the tempest mk2 got 2 engine kills but both were stealed...
And of course if you get looked at in a spitfire you're dead
@@diogonunes1865 If you get killstolen then it's not the guns fault but your allies.
@@ninpgmer8959 yeah the guy just complained about the hispanos cuz I told him it was a kill steal...
feels bad man, nice intro btw, poor guns hahahaha
It was very nice of you giving him to bomb, a true gentleman!
The worst part about this plane is the teammates the matchmaker gives you. I don't know why, but whenever I fly the I-225 my teammates just stay on the runway, or they die to bombers, or they run back to the AF instead of killing the single super-corsair chasing me.
Hey DEFYN, HUUUUGE fan here, could you uhm, maybe play the sm91 for me? I and a few others have eagerly been awaiting your professional review of this hidden gem of the Italian tree. It has SIX nose-mounted 20mms(WOW!) and a REAR 20mm turret. This plane really has it all, I think you'd love this hidden gem of the Italian tech tree!!!!!
TURBoNuT it’s fun fun it’s like a better p61 turns decent to
honestly one of the scariest things to see on the enemy team you can't go at it from the front and you have to be really careful on the rear.
The enemy's usernames had me wheezing, especially when you pronounced them lmao. 😭
I tried playing my p47 at high alt, like 7-k, and this thing just zoomed up to me like a rocket. Absolutely ruined me. I had 3 other planes nice and slow when the I225 came along.
High altitude didn´t means high energy state.
Shvaks be Whack! I enjoyed this plane but the guns were certainly debatable.
Nice gameplay
Haha man i wish i knew what i was doing , this looks like an entirely different i-225 then mine. I just boom and zoom and try to hunt bombers (and fail a lot cause of my poor aim and well .. the guns) but i haven't really tried turn fighting yet. I've been watching some of your guides and they definitely helped but i'm still so piss poor at dog fighting that usually i don't commit to one :') You're making me want to give it a try though :D
I've just recently started grinding russian planes above Tier 2 because I felt like it and damn, those 20mms feel like slightly buffed british 7.7s
They're PAINFUL if you don't aim for the cockpit or engines
Gen Italia is lowkey such a good gamer tag lol
i tried flying i 225 and yak 3u, it was pain as hell, nice flying performance, but guns are shit. It was like torture experience.
welcome to the club
Personally with most 20mms other than MG FF/M and MG 151/20 I use mostly AP, especially on ShVAKs where generally the API has a better chance of getting pilot snipes or setting fires than just tearing off a part of a plane. (Though it still can, if you’re lucky)
My newbie self got the yak 3 VK to grind the russian tree way back then, revisited it a while ago and found the guns to be a nightmare, shame tho since I like how it flew
Which is sadly the case with a lot of russian vehicles :v
@@DEFYN Worse than Hispanos?
@@Trigg3rHippie Hispanos are fine
Hey Defyn, play a Dora or any 190 for that matter, curious to see how you can use them efficiently (I'm crap with them)
I got a video on the D-13 for the time being if youre interested
This plane feels like a jet at this BR which is kinda broken. I love it. It's pretty rare that I die in it. Kinda like a P51-H-NA mixed with a P38 with ShVaks.
This thing is a beast.Russia was my first tree to grind so naturally i played this plane and i loved it and had no problems killing hortens me262s and any 7.0-7.3 american jet.The problem is with the amount of ammo you have you really get to kill one target per takeoff.Either buff the guns or give them higher ammo
The only time Gaijin is going to change ammo count is if they find a more relevant document detailing what a plane has and can do
Plot twists! Shvaks and hispanos were buffed lately 😁
Would love to see the I230/231 in this game.
NOOIIIIICEEEEEEEE
i like the opening
This thing would be better with Berezin's. Smaller caliber but those IAI rounds always set things on fire.
If U read this, since shvaks gun got buffs now, this thing is very good.
Since you mention the I-225 being quirky, and different from other Russian planes, is it like an upgraded MiG-3?
It *looks* a lot like that. I think that's how it came about IRL: They started with the MiG-3 and made incremental changes to the engine, wings, and armament (and skipped several levels of BR).
Kinda?
It's not really similar but it's probably the closest thing
It climbs extremely fast and is good at high alt
It compresses like a bitch but with the flaps you can outdogfight a lot of planes
If you're a better pilot you will beat Ki-84s kind of strong
It fits the Russian line but it doesn't really fit in it if that makes sense
Hi, what is your thought about the J7W1? It's a good plane or isn't?
I got the impression Gaijin improved the damage of ShVAKS. Yesterday i played Mig 3 34 and i destroyed à HE111 with one short burst of the two 20mm using default belt from 600 meters/650 yards.
Yep, gaijin improved the damage of shvaks and hispanos few months ago iirc
Wat keybinds do u put for oil cooler, radiator and prop pitch
This is the real thunder show right here! Stay tuned for new episodes 😃👍
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@@DEFYN Seriously though you're videos are like episodes of a show they're interesting, exciting, educational, great commentary. I watch your videos and then I want to go play WT and try out the stuff you show and explain. Also I look forward to new videos, great stuff really great stuff 👍🙏
having respectable enemies is something that rarely comes up anymore.
Excellent!!! I-225 is a plane... WHICH I CANNOT PLAY... simply don'k know how... Diyng instantly...
Ik this plane be up there with TA-152 H1 but tha gunz man, what they had no money and put in paper balls
Yes, the spam of attackers is really bad for russia, as a mediocre pilot i really can't carry, so I get clubbed a lot, however when the team is mainly fighters we usually end up winning. I don't know if it's only me but I feel the quality of german teams has really gone down lately, when playng the allies or Russia I've been winning against them a lot more often.
yes I noticed this too...seemed to happen recently. Previously germans dominated at high altitude but doesn't seem so much now with a lot of them not going high altitude in some games (might be my imagination)...maybe someone of the lawn mowing US players got sick of being clubbed and moved over to the German tree lol
A: Defyn playing reserve plane
Average player: this fcking plane is so op.
Russian planes are so fun to play. Brainless teammates, pop corn cannons, no altitude performance or being alone when altitude performance is ok and in my case, pings between 160 and 300ms.
Another excelent video as always.
I've been using universal on my Yak 3. No complaints from me
Wish they would make this game first person only, limited visibility, limits bnz, encourages dogfighting, and preventss spotting players from half the map.
ktremblay Fly sim...
@@Ripjawz I think he meant with like Air rb controls.
I feel like it needs new video. Did gaijin change it or something because i just cant make it work. I have been banging my head on the wall with this one. Everyone dives away, starts rolling on high speed. No one takes the fight so you just cant fight it.
Both shvaks and Japanese 20s seem to have been hit with a massive nerf at some point.
Nope us and German guns got overbuffed
@@MsIndycar US 20mms have been great for a long time. Mg151s have always been up and down tho. The shvaks used to be pretty good and reliable same with the Japanese 20mms, but at some point that changed. I have no idea when cause I stopped playing low tiers for like over a year. But the last time I played tier 3 and 4 regularly, those guns were pretty good.
@@FumbleSquid it all started with fiddies buff
@Boris Posavec Honestly, ever country should have good guns like that. A short time to kill is better for skilled gameplay. Having to hose someone down cuts decreases the kinds of maneuvers one can use.
Can you do a manual engine control guide
this was posted on my birthday UwU
At this point the only good guns on the Russian props seem to be the ShKAS, Berezins and the 4× NS-23s 23mm on the La-9. The last one hits like a freight train, that is, if you hit..
Have you seen his video on the il10? VYA 23 mm cannons are pretty hard hitting.
@@Myhrumen Depends on the IL-10. The 1946 gets 4 MiG NS-23s. Though those VYAs are probably one of it not the best Russian aircraft guns in the game. High-ish velocity, good damage, reasonable rate of fire. It's probably what makes the IL-2s so funny as turnfighters. They'll hop on your tail and hit ya at 1.5KM out. 2 hits and you're gone.
They also got nerfed
Berezins are the best 50 Cals in the game
If the I-225 actually had 4 berenzins instead of the shvaks it would have to be put back to 6.0
I wish I could replace Shvaks with Berezins on I-185 3.7 BR one. It's an energy monster but the guns just ruin it. I can handle the compression at 550kmph but not these guns.
You should play ju88a4 it's really fun to fly (not for a video you can if you want) but it's pure bliss to fly
il check it out lel
Im a k4 fanboy and was kinda rooting for the guy at 11:40
I feel that. Playing the La5s was painful, then I hopped into the I185 and thought that maybe another 20mm would help out. Yeah, no. Even the guns on the Yak-3P are garbage. Though at least that thing is a UFO painted red.
The guns on the Yak 3p feel better to me than the ShVaks. Maybe its because i can get better shots off with the Yak, im not sure
@@coltonjacobs5383 Me, neither.
The guns on the Yak-3P aren't ShVAKs, they're B-20s. I tried it on the Yak-3 VK and they seem to perform better
@@ryanjonathanmartin3933
Just wanna preface this and tell you that yes, I was aware they were different models. But they're equal in effectiveness due to this fact:
They might be different designs, but they fire the exact same cartridge. (20x99mm rounds) And because of that, I am to believe they are modeled as the same weapon in War Thunder. Further, they have the same fire rate of 800 rounds per minute.
"The B-20 was created by Mikhail Yevgenyevich Berezin in 1944 by converting his 12.7 mm Berezin UB machine gun to use the 20 mm rounds used by the ShVAK cannon"
"The gun B-20 (20-mm) has been created by M.E.Berezin in 1944 on the basis of its 12,7-mm of machine gun UB without any design changes, by a replacement of a trunk.
The cannon was created under ShVAK cartridge."
Sources:
airpages.ru/eng/ru/b20.shtml
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berezin_B-20
Sorry to go ham, I'm just tryna explain. Oh, and the airpages.ru link verifies that the information on Wiki is correct.
@@derkaiser9881 thx for the info man
ShVaks be wack yo!
The reason I stopped grinding USSR are the crappy 20 mils. They feel like they do less damage than 7.62 mils.
@Master boy1205 What planes are you playing with Soviet 20s?
Guess I know what to research next in russian aviaton TT
i wanna be a german main but german 5.3 to 6.0 is pain teams with 288c. so i tried other nations, i225 seems to be the best option for me. not a fan of spitfires. 225 is untouchable most of the time with the retention and altitude
Oh, that painful hit..
DEFYN can you fly the TIS MA very spooky plane
Where do you can have green color ? Plz
ShVak Shop Vac
So, i'm not alone here.
People who complain about ShVAKs (or any other weapon) need to remember at what range the pilots were trained and were actually shooting. In a country with such a tightened up economy (economy and economics) the trigger discipline was harshly instituted and the pilots shot at close range and it did the job.
RB has this bad effect on players were they spray at long ranges (yes even 400 meters, instead of a pass at 100-200 meters) and then complain about the guns. Yes heavy machine-guns have the best ballistics to shoot reliably at 1,5 km (target aircraft speed taken into account), but the other cannons (except MG 151/20 maybe) were simply not intended for precision shooting at long distances. Land-based platforms like armored vehicles used the 20mm cannons for suppression only, at long distances.
The other problem is the fuse. AH-64 30mm for example, used the wrong fuse for sandy deserts, so you had to actually shoot through a combatant because the shell wouldn't detonate hitting the ground, as intended. The same is valid for ShVAKs - only at close range it has the speed to reliably hit and set off the fuses.
you're really tring to say that gaijin did a good job representing shvaks? really?
When is challenger 2 giveaway
H A R D E S T MBT to master!
Please explain to me how the I-225 is supposed to be a high altitude fighter 😭
This is one of the best arguments against the "Russian bias" trope. One of the most used Soviet guns is complete crap.
yeah i felt like something was off, and indeed it was the guns. they so bad
it's a shame, love the plane otherwise
If those were an/m2's or even mg151's this match would have been a lot shorter
Best belt to ShVaks seems to be API rounds, at least set stuffs on fire, the FI-T i think is the shities belt u can get Defyn
The rounds got changed since this video
AP is better now yes
@@DEFYN thanks mate. Always saw people writing about the usage of Ground Targets. But always had the feel these rounds do no damage at all.
Obviously we can't compare minegeschöss to russian HEF right?
Kind regards DEFYN
keep doing cool videos. Love 'em
Try armored target belts - looks better for me
Only better at extremely close ranges tho
I didn’t know you can use low speed as an advantage in a scissor..... I always thought the one that bleed most speed always lose.
depends. Flat scissors you should try to slow down.
rolling scissors try not to stall
What do you think of docholiday826 as a name?
And on a more serious note, what would be the best Russian 5.7?
I think it's unoriginal
And I wouldn't know
Hey Could you take out the yak-30 to show how bad the cannons are?
already covered it a bit ago, the guns are horrible there too x)
Yak-9P carrier landing when?
bruh
We’re any updates made to this plane since 1 year ago?
You want to run tracers now instead of armoured other than that no
@@DEFYN Really? Why is that?
They changed the ammo quite drastically
4:35 genitalia lmfao
friend what graphic settings you use
Everything is max
use ground targets with the shvaks, i find them to be a lot better than tracers
They are at close range, but I tend to shoot at medium range too so tracers are a bit more consistent
@@DEFYN shell stats when gaijin lmao
I also hate ShVaks I just want them to work... how hard is it to just make it so that I set a fire with every hit? It takes literally 3 fires to kill a German or Italian anyways...
1 German cannon= 8 shvak cannons
I always watch DEFYN as a sort of counterpoint to Spit_flyer. Spit says ShVaks are good? I watch this video.
I dont know why people avoid turn fighting in this game like its the plague. In ww2, people didnt get perfect third person visibility and bnz, like your opponents in the video. People in ww2 actually had to dogfight. Fpp sims are the best.
>I dont know why people avoid turn fighting in this game like its the plague.
Seems like you just answered your own question. in game we have the tools available to make alternative fighting styles more viable so we do so. This isn't a hard concept to wrap your head around.
then play Sim battles in WT or just don’t play WT
Lol I can relate to that intro... American .50's 🤦🏾♂️
american .50 are fucking insanely good... wtf?!?
@@gtifighter "hits"
unless you have a single .50 and are using default belts you are doing something EXTREMELY wrong
@@taffa4900 "hits"
I dont blame guns or a players aim, I blame craptastic hit detection
It is natural for a yak-1 to kill a Cas Do335 on a Mix RB?
if theyre slow youll out turn them immediately, and ur acceleration is better at low speeds
How does this get a thumbs down??
How are you?
NEWS: they're even worse since raining fire update
In what way? Finally getting back to USSR and haven’t noticed too much of a difference... did they get changed though?
@@Antwan88 new update: they got a massive damage buff but they keep being unreliable.
mr worst flaps
Wot
DEFYN name i-225 according to secret documents
but. much repair cost
Pls do more Russian planes
Title: I hate shvaks
Don't we all 😂😭