Which Slay the Spire is the best? | Board vs Digital
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- In this video I deep dive into the virtues of video games and why they are better than board games in almost every way. We use the new Slay the Spire Board game as a medium to explore this opinion.
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I think maybe it's not an altogether fair comparison when it comes to Slay the Spire, because as a video game it already has "stolen" lots of board game design sensibilities. One general aspect of board games is, because everything has to be processed by a human being, all its rules will inherently be understandable by a human player. And its ruleset is also small enough that a human being can handle it. There's a transparency and economy of rules that video games don't have to (and always never) adhere to.
Not sure if you made it through or not but I do touch on this. Thanks for watching though.
You just blew my mind equaling deck builders with leveling up a character. Its so obvious I dont know how I missed that.
Speaking of deck builders I just recently started Arnak Lost Expedition this weekend.
Gloomhaven Digital to me is a video game that did better than the boardgame, at least for solo.
oh such a good call on the Gloomhaven, would be a good video if I ever wanted to punish myself with trying to table the physical. Have fun with lost expeditions, really enjoyed that experience.
Great take and great video! Thanks for making good stuff. Hope your channel just explodes some day, you deserve it.
Appreciate the kind words.
Sounds like you had a cool mom.
I think you hit the nail on the head as to why boardgames are better. I was actually thinking about this issue the other day. Boardgames are often cited as the source of AP, but it’s the opportunity for A that makes them so great.
Videogames are so quick and easy, I often play them on autopilot-even the thinky ones like Civilization. There’s a hole in the experience where A should ideally go. A-holes, if you will.
Totally correct. Boardgames use a different part of the brain and leave a deeper satisfaction than most video games.
What i hear from slay the spire veterans is that the coop of the board game is the main selling point.
Shared experiences is what makes board games so great wonderful and memories of them. Quick dopamine hits dont work the same, well said :-)
yeah it is definitely a co op play or for someone that wants a methodical drawn out experience with a beautifully crafted game.
Well said, brother. You nailed it. That lack of dopamine makes it hard to pull my kids off Fortnite to sit still for an hour to play a board game with me. But the shared experience makes the struggle worth it. Hopefully one day (soon?) they’ll learn to appreciate it as I do. My condolence for the loss of your mother. That’s very sad, but you have a unique memory of her to cherish forever. My mom has never touched a gaming controller in my lifetime, but she DID get me a N64 as a cheer-up gift following a divorce, which was quite effective in hindsight. 😂
As for board game iterations of video games, I just want a classic Legend of Zelda campaign game with an open world and variable thematic dungeon decks. THAT would be an epic dopamine shot with some hefty nostalgia to boot. I’m going all in on that baby! Take all my money!!!
thank you for the kind words.....literally take my money now for Zelda. So much potential there. Nintendo and their protection of IP may never let publisher capable enough make that unfortunatley.
@@Neon_Gorilla True. But have you played Tunic? That game rocks. It’s discount Zelda, but I’d take it.
@@coreyray248 funny you should mention tunic I just watched pirate software play it the other day
@@Neon_Gorilla It’s a great experience. Not too long, but still offers a puzzle. I found the way you unlock the in game manual, therefore, unlocking the game, to be truly next level brilliance in game design. It delivers a lot of those “holy shit, I could do that this whole time?” moments, very clever. Not sure how you’d implement that in a board game. I can’t imagine trying to teach my wife a game using a manual written in gibberish. Then again, what would be the difference from our normal situation? 🤣
@@coreyray248 you sold me, bought it
I agree that the in person co-op video games isn’t much of a thing anymore and that’s why I enjoy both hobbies. Board games can bring back those days of playing side by side with friends for hours at a time.
favorite video game?
@@Neon_Gorilla As a kid it was Ultimate Alliance, as a teenager I got really into Black Ops Zombies easter eggs (mostly focusing on Black Ops 3). Some other games I have love are Bioshock, Slay the Spire, Kingdom Rush, Cuphead, and For the King.
@@Triston_Yocom awesome. Funny you mention zombies. A few months back I had a slight obsession with the current zombies mode. Cup head video and dice game both give me too much anxiety :)
@@Neon_Gorilla I'm really hoping I enjoy the zombies mode in BO6, I haven't been addicted to any of them after 3. Cuphead is such a rage game for me but I love learning the boss mechanics and then finally beating them, the dlc they dropped for it 2ish years ago was also a super fun addition to the game.
Agree with pretty much all of your points. It usually takes 30~40 min to do the 3 acts in the videogame (for me), but it's taking about 6h to do it with 3p, along with all the conversations, it's a better experience overall.
I have also to say that the scalling in coop can be HUGE, going from 3 damage a turn in the beggining to almost 100 in a turn in the final boss is sooooo satisfying! Different medias, and both amazing :)
I never thought about that. I will never play it above 2 but can definitely see that. Wow 6 hrs at 3 is intense!
Thank you so much for this take on Slay the Spire :D You hit all important points. Got my tangible copy two weeks ago. We played 4 times sofar and love it. Two acts per evening seems the perfect length of about 3 hours at 3 players (my friends did not know the game beforehand and had to learn their character options from scratch. It is speeding up already ^^).
It feels so amazing cooperative when you can help each other. Often you set up the monsters and think how can we possibly survive this and then everything falls into place - very satisfying. The shared experience is what makes this game greater than its video counterpart. I am also amazed how they managed to simplyfy the game while retaining the feel. ... To me the best video to boardgame transition I ever experienced.
First off thank you. I really appreciate your appreciation. Yeah in retrospect I did not stress enough how wonderful of a port this actually was. As much as I focused on missing nuance and complexity all the feelings are there. I can’t point to one glaring omission. I even love that all the music is in the app. I started playing with it and now when it’s not on something feels off. If digital didn’t exist I think this would be rated even higher than it already is. Thanks for watching.
I only discover your video as it pops up on the bgg notification and I really like this video.
I have been on the fence for this board game because I love the video game. But your video has convinced me to not get into the hype of the board game just purely because I love the video game just as the reasons you have mentioned.
To me I most likely will solo this game and it is arguably an even more difficult reach than something like dominion. I just can’t see myself tabling multiplayer so I think practically I should let this one go to someone who will enjoy this more
Thank you I really appreciate you giving it a try....yeah probably not worth it for just solo, but still a good game nonetheless.
Yeah, but in a videogame, you're all by yourself, one hand on the mouse, the other scratching your behind.
In a board game context, you're having people over, talking to them, interacting with loved ones, lubricating the social aspect of life, and, like, living?
Seems to me the video game version is only advantageous if you're a social outcast, sociopath or antisocial person, in which case a treatment is needed.
Wondering if you watched till the end🤔
@@Neon_Gorilla I did, and he does make some remarks in that regard, but felt, to me, that those remarks were only to make it seem like a balanced view. They did not convince me.
@@arthureloi is a solo board gamers also losers for the same reasons?
Another great video from you, really enjoy your stuff 🙂
I'm sure I'd have a good time playing STS at the table, but the price point is prohibitive for me. At double the price of most games I just can't bring myself to it!
I do see it for pre order on gamenerdz for 100 but even that feels like a lot for this.
Appreciate the kind words.
Agree with both of your board game Wins. For me they are both much bigger drivers than the video game wins. I very much like that I am the computer in a board game, love the social aspect, add to that I very much appreciate not needing a screen…so much of my work day is screen based that it is nice to take a break.
I agree with you. There has to be something deeper in BG to have us go through the trouble.
One other reason I prefer board games…the visceral nature of physical objects. I know I always come back to TMB but poker chips just feel nice in the hands. Give game pieces are another that come to mind.
*Hive game pieces… thanks autocorrect