That sonix edge guard was the sickest movement I’ve ever seen from sonic. He was center stage to off stage instantly. If Sonic players focused more on movement like that they would be much more fun to watch and probably much better overall.
>more fun to watch >Sonix sets are basically him running away and never approaching and running away even more and approaching even less when at a stock advantage You’re cringe.
@@Bluzlbee Agreed, but you can't blame him for using his tools in the best way possible. Sonic's hypermobility is best used to play a campy punish game.
Please be respectful in the comments. Both players aren't focused on playing to entertain, they're playing to win. If that doesn't suit you in this case, don't blame someone else for playing out of your style. And don't call people mentally ill for liking something you don't. That's unbelievably low.
@@xxvolcomxx56 Then so be it. People will hate it, others will enjoy it. But calling someone delirious or worse for liking what they see just because it's boring to other people is inexcusable. It leads to downright bullying, since people who enjoy watching games like this or who play the character are called "lame," "boring," or even "monkey." This comments section is full of hate, not just for the character, not just for the match, but for each other.
Sonic can cancel side b early with jump at the very start of its charge animation, so he does turnaround side b into backwards jump bair. (He has to jump then press back or else he gets wavebounce which makes him forwards facing which can be good to get momentum quickly but then you don't get bair ofc)
Dude like.. respect to the craft of winning in tournaments and all, but.. Jesus. Sonix can make even games with leo sooooo boring to watch lmao. And all just to get f smashed at the end of a game. Like great job, you camped yourself into an f smash lmao
Sonic has some stupid moves but sonix is a really patient and good player and playing against one of the best zoners in the game is gonna require him to play in a way to get any hits he can whenever
Corin and byleth are zoners??? Lmao. I think you two are either A. sonic mains or B. playing a different game. Again, I understand patience, but literally running out and running in for small buildups of a percent, only to finally get f smashed at an impeccable distance that actually requires the skill of not camping, AND when sonic has WAY more tools than literally running circles around corrin for half a minute, doesn't seem like patience. It seems boring to watch lol. Also, to say that the game "requires" he plays a certain way to win tells me you're a wifi sonic main and I no longer hold any credibility to what you're saying haha @gbenbird
I sorta main Sonic since he's my childhood favorite character but the I barely use the spindash cause the noise it makes is tiresome to hear all the time lmao
@@ShadowerzTheFreedomSpreader what does this have anything to do with how he plays in smash ultimate though 😂 they could easily have designed sonic to be this incredible frame data machine with sick adaptive combo routes like fox or sheik but his only useful neutral tool is spindash
I understand Sonix camping in certain scenarios for pretty good reasons, but if you’re still camping while losing/behind why bother playing? (And before you say: I know it could be to shorten time and turn the tides or to break your opponent’s mentality, but this is against THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD who has crazy mental fortitude and patience) Honestly…
I was watching live and I didn’t feel like sonix was camping. Yes, he was careful about his approaches but it was not camping. Sonix is very explosive and when he does land an attack he continued his aggression Mkleo would’ve wiped him if he didn’t play as carefully. Overall I still enjoyed the gameplay but ig I’m in the minority
@@justinjakubowski5801 many smash players just pick up the opinions of a top player and don’t think after that. Just because sonix doesn’t have a big following = he is camping.
@@justinjakubowski5801 exactly, thank you! I honestly thought Sonix played the matchup well and I enjoy watching adaptations come out from both players. It was a good set. It’s hard to go against Mkleo man
@@marcogonzalez9296nice strawmans dumb*ss. I love how sonix meatriders have trouble reading any scenario. Yeah let me camp the best player in the world despite being a stock down. Yeah hes gonna punish who has 0 need of approaching him
@@ShadowerzTheFreedomSpreader no one here is saying sonix isn't good. what we ARE saying is that sonic is absolutely one of the lamest fucking characters in this game, both to play and to watch. He's just fucking boring. Not even Mkleo can make fighting against a sonic look exciting, sorry original commenter, but you're wrong about that. Bored out of my mind watching a camping ass character like sonic.
@@bobthebuilder609 very clever, you've successfully made a pointless paragraph filled to the brim with crybaby cussing and whining without even analyzing just what I said in my comment.
Yea the problem is if you wiff, its gonna cost you the stock. Sonic is so fast you really cant predict when hes gonna hit you with enough time to counter
Corrin's counter is just horrible, though, debatably the worst in the game. At least the other Fire Emblem characters can use their counter as an edgeguarding tool but because of the angle Corrin's sends at, it's not even good at that.
I think it's safe to say that 90% of twitch chat and youtube comments have no idea what camping is. Maybe pay attention to what's happening on screen instead of parroting what you hear
@@wildberry752 They both engaged when it was beneficial to them, you really think you can just run at Leo with bad frame data? He was trying to work out an approach option by watching his defensive habits, he wasn't trying to camp him out while behind
Gotta respect Sonix for making it this far regardless of what you think of his playstyle. It gets dubs. 😬 That being said, MKLeo has been around wayyyyyy longer and knows how to beat it.
reading these comments shows 90% of people have no idea about professional play or what camping really even means. It's frustrating to see people downplay the efforts of top players and what they do to win just because it isn't "hype" enough for them. they dont even realize the work these players put in even though they themselves most likely wouldnt make it past round one pools. being capable of playing slow and patient isnt just a neat skill to have but can even be necessary for playing at a high level because just being aggressive 24/7 can lead to you getting beat up by a good defensive player. Sonix is miles away from the most passive sonic player and he can not only be patient but also explosive but that patiece that he needs to have in order to succeed is what gets him shunned by the entire smash community. if you dont enjoy watching him thats fine but dont go complaining in youtube comments or the twitch chat about it. and in case you didnt notice, some people like seeing patient and percise top level play. its not for everyone but dont complain about it like a child.
"Leave the poor camper alone 😤 it takes so much effort to run away and press B 😪". People are voicing their displeasure with people playing being uninteractive and lame. Check the comments sections in Zomba/Teaser's videos and you'll see people don't condemn camping itself, but the way it's being done and the consequences for it for both players and watchers. A gameplan that rewards not-engaging and even going to time deserves all the shun it gets.
Sin dudas el main Sonic se ganó mi respeto!! Se ve que dio lo mejor de si en el combate!! Pero leo es ese jefe final que derrotarlo una vez es ganar XD
Culpa del personaje no es. A Sonic le nerfearon el "Tilt UP" y "Up A" hace poco. Esos movimientos hacían ver peleas más emocionantes por parte del personaje ya que daban para más combos. Ahora solo hacerse bolita y usar ataques aéreos son lo único útil del personaje, y por eso sus jugadores no tienen opción más que abusar de eso...
@@johnmaco no se como esos dos movimientos hacen a sonic mejor, te refieres a cuando podia hacer un combo que te mataba de agarre arriba - aereo arriba Eso lo hacia todavia mas injusto,minimo este sonic batalla en matarte porque te tiene perseguir afuera del escenario. Los sonic siempre han usado spin dash muchisimo mas porque te condicionan a poner escudo
Lol, it cracks me up when people talk like this. Put him in his place? you mean top 8? He already proved himself and was taken down by the best player in the world
me da un chingo gusto cada que pierde ese wey del sonix.... es el jugador más aburrido que conozco, hasta prefiero jugar contra alguien con lag que con ese sonic campero
Missed Game 2 Corrin's opening.... Bruh..... You flipping....Playing too much on the replays. If it's good then it's good but don't flipping not control...,. yourself.,. maybe.,.?,..
"Okay... I see who lost or won, time to give props... and then I add my stupid fucking opinion after even though it has nothing to do with the gameplay! Oh yeah, this will bang!" Seriously bro, please... shut the fuck up.
If you actually knew anything about your rights you’d know private venues have the RIGHT to set their own rules. Sad most Americans don’t actually know anything about their own country
Even if I were an anti masker, I’d still understand that a private event can make their own rules. Is it also wrong for a Catholic school to not allow guys to be shirtless or girls to wear crop tops? No, because a private institution is allowed to do that.
Pound 2022 is still live! Check it out here: "www.twitch.tv/vgbootcamp"
7:18 so satisfying
That sonix edge guard was the sickest movement I’ve ever seen from sonic. He was center stage to off stage instantly. If Sonic players focused more on movement like that they would be much more fun to watch and probably much better overall.
>more fun to watch
>Sonix sets are basically him running away and never approaching and running away even more and approaching even less when at a stock advantage
You’re cringe.
@@The_Kevinist "😭🤬🤓😤"
@@The_Kevinist babyrage
@@ssccaappeeggooaatt sonix meatrider. He isn gonna notice u
@@doodoo2065 sonix meatrider
Corrin advantage state is so satisfying to watch
The way Sonix plays is how I would imagine Sonic actually fighting if he had to
annoying?
he is so camper
@@Bluzlbee Agreed, but you can't blame him for using his tools in the best way possible. Sonic's hypermobility is best used to play a campy punish game.
10:53 This is a classic “here’s why I’m the best in the world” moment from Leo. That was so clean dude
14:34 Leo with the absolute clutch! That was so good.
That wasn’t even clutch. That was just the optimal punish.
That was a good day. Leo made this guy spin back home.
As a fan of Corrin im really glad the best player in the world picked him up
Please be respectful in the comments. Both players aren't focused on playing to entertain, they're playing to win. If that doesn't suit you in this case, don't blame someone else for playing out of your style. And don't call people mentally ill for liking something you don't. That's unbelievably low.
Obviously they are playing to win. People don’t like this play style because it’s boring af to watch.
@@xxvolcomxx56 Then so be it. People will hate it, others will enjoy it. But calling someone delirious or worse for liking what they see just because it's boring to other people is inexcusable. It leads to downright bullying, since people who enjoy watching games like this or who play the character are called "lame," "boring," or even "monkey." This comments section is full of hate, not just for the character, not just for the match, but for each other.
@@KalokesMysteries it’s just how the internet is. I was rooting for sonix and even people I know we’re not really fond of it
@@boomsonic7684 Yeah... I know. But darn it, if I can't try to change that in some small, good way, I'll be a DK's uncle.
I'll say whatever the hell I want, respect our decision to not like how Sonix plays
No more sonic gameplay thank god
7:46 can someone explain how sonic did a drop down back air towards the stage? Do his jumps turn him around like Dedede and kirby?
I dont play sonic but i see him be reversing down b or side b ( cant tell them apart) and jump canceling it and inputting a back air
Yeah its a drop down reverse side b cancel into back air
Sonic can cancel side b early with jump at the very start of its charge animation, so he does turnaround side b into backwards jump bair. (He has to jump then press back or else he gets wavebounce which makes him forwards facing which can be good to get momentum quickly but then you don't get bair ofc)
Thank you now I can stop trying to replicate that on my other characters lol
@@extasse99 Who do you play? Even if you can't do what Sonic does, maybe your character have their own ledge shenanigans
I wanna see leo win this tourney too!
Glutonny saw this comment and was like NAWWWWWWWW
If you want to see leo winning tourneys it's not that hard, watch any other xD
Dude like.. respect to the craft of winning in tournaments and all, but.. Jesus. Sonix can make even games with leo sooooo boring to watch lmao. And all just to get f smashed at the end of a game. Like great job, you camped yourself into an f smash lmao
I think that it’s mostly because you don’t understand the characters being played
Sonic has some stupid moves but sonix is a really patient and good player and playing against one of the best zoners in the game is gonna require him to play in a way to get any hits he can whenever
Corin and byleth are zoners??? Lmao. I think you two are either A. sonic mains or B. playing a different game. Again, I understand patience, but literally running out and running in for small buildups of a percent, only to finally get f smashed at an impeccable distance that actually requires the skill of not camping, AND when sonic has WAY more tools than literally running circles around corrin for half a minute, doesn't seem like patience. It seems boring to watch lol. Also, to say that the game "requires" he plays a certain way to win tells me you're a wifi sonic main and I no longer hold any credibility to what you're saying haha @gbenbird
@@zisjenos Byleth and Corrin are not zoners lmao. Their moves need spacing and Mkleo is very good at it
@@seven3197 sonix knows that and it's pretty difficult given corrin and byleths massive range
Good on sonix for making it this far, but watching him play is boring.
Do sonic players look back at their games and go “LETS GOOO”
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Yes
Yup
I don’t understand why anyone chooses to main sonic. You ENJOY charging spindash for 90% of the game?
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Might aswell play a sonic game than smash lmao
I sorta main Sonic since he's my childhood favorite character but the I barely use the spindash cause the noise it makes is tiresome to hear all the time lmao
Maybe because we like the character and series? Maybe because everyone isn't a bandwagon sonic hater?
@@ShadowerzTheFreedomSpreader what does this have anything to do with how he plays in smash ultimate though 😂 they could easily have designed sonic to be this incredible frame data machine with sick adaptive combo routes like fox or sheik but his only useful neutral tool is spindash
I understand Sonix camping in certain scenarios for pretty good reasons, but if you’re still camping while losing/behind why bother playing?
(And before you say: I know it could be to shorten time and turn the tides or to break your opponent’s mentality, but this is against THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD who has crazy mental fortitude and patience)
Honestly…
I was watching live and I didn’t feel like sonix was camping. Yes, he was careful about his approaches but it was not camping. Sonix is very explosive and when he does land an attack he continued his aggression
Mkleo would’ve wiped him if he didn’t play as carefully. Overall I still enjoyed the gameplay but ig I’m in the minority
@@justinjakubowski5801 many smash players just pick up the opinions of a top player and don’t think after that. Just because sonix doesn’t have a big following = he is camping.
@@justinjakubowski5801 exactly, thank you! I honestly thought Sonix played the matchup well and I enjoy watching adaptations come out from both players. It was a good set. It’s hard to go against Mkleo man
So you want Sonix to just charge in against Leo? He’s playing Leo, I don’t blame him for playing slow/careful what ever you want to call it.
@@marcogonzalez9296nice strawmans dumb*ss. I love how sonix meatriders have trouble reading any scenario. Yeah let me camp the best player in the world despite being a stock down. Yeah hes gonna punish who has 0 need of approaching him
Sonix was playing out of his mind during game 3, that movement was wild
15:04 Mephiles killing Sonic in SONIC THE HEDGEHOG (2006)
Even Leo makes the sonic matchs hype and interesting.
Ok sonic fan
@@Yokai_Yuri ok average sonic hater because you can't win the match up in smash so you call each and everyone an annoying camper just for existing
i think he meant "leo makes even the sonic matches hype and interesting"...
@@ShadowerzTheFreedomSpreader no one here is saying sonix isn't good. what we ARE saying is that sonic is absolutely one of the lamest fucking characters in this game, both to play and to watch. He's just fucking boring. Not even Mkleo can make fighting against a sonic look exciting, sorry original commenter, but you're wrong about that. Bored out of my mind watching a camping ass character like sonic.
@@bobthebuilder609 very clever, you've successfully made a pointless paragraph filled to the brim with crybaby cussing and whining without even analyzing just what I said in my comment.
Sonix can RUN but can’t HIIIDE.. 😂😂
今作でスピンウェーブ安定させるのすごいな
14:34 Sonic 06 spoilers
It'd be nice to see Corin's counter
Yea the problem is if you wiff, its gonna cost you the stock. Sonic is so fast you really cant predict when hes gonna hit you with enough time to counter
I wouldn’t risk it in this matchup lol
@@ADHDeez cost u a stock?? wtf, if hes over 100% then yea maybe
yea alot of top players rarely use their characters counter, scared to get punished I guess
Corrin's counter is just horrible, though, debatably the worst in the game. At least the other Fire Emblem characters can use their counter as an edgeguarding tool but because of the angle Corrin's sends at, it's not even good at that.
sonix was camping even when he was behind
I think it's safe to say that 90% of twitch chat and youtube comments have no idea what camping is. Maybe pay attention to what's happening on screen instead of parroting what you hear
@@rizvan1632 nope he would not engage he was waiting at one side of the stage for Leo to engage even when he was behind
@@rizvan1632 you know what he means, tho. Sonix was refusing to engage most of the times, as always.
@@wildberry752 They both engaged when it was beneficial to them, you really think you can just run at Leo with bad frame data? He was trying to work out an approach option by watching his defensive habits, he wasn't trying to camp him out while behind
@@loghen01 he wasn't though lol, he was looking for a way in
海外のソニックへのヘイト、一時期の日本での麺レベルで酷くて草
The smash community when a character doesnt do 20 attacks per combo: hE is cAmPing thAts sO lAme
Sick that the top 5 was all international.France DR Mexico USA Canada
"What's the edgeguard gonna be? Absolutely nothing"
Leo VS Gacktを見たかったなあ…
The furry at 15:20 scared a bit tbh
Gotta respect Sonix for making it this far regardless of what you think of his playstyle. It gets dubs. 😬
That being said, MKLeo has been around wayyyyyy longer and knows how to beat it.
bruh he literally was hairs breaths away from losing
@@yafilmme6160 Sonix took one game against Byleth lol that ain't anywhere CLOSE to a "hairs breath"
Hairs breath isn't a saying btw 🤣
0 respect actually for his lame ass play style
@@yafilmme6160 it is hair’s breath, not breath. And no shit byleth would lose; he struggles a lot against fast characters.
@@Noba46688 I’m not talking about just with byleth did you not watch the first three games???? it was literally a last hit scenario
Corrin vs Sonic was IMO one of the most annoying matchups in Sm4sh. It's been a while since I've seen this in action
This is my second time watching this set after Sonix win at CEO 2022. That was a great run
reading these comments shows 90% of people have no idea about professional play or what camping really even means. It's frustrating to see people downplay the efforts of top players and what they do to win just because it isn't "hype" enough for them. they dont even realize the work these players put in even though they themselves most likely wouldnt make it past round one pools. being capable of playing slow and patient isnt just a neat skill to have but can even be necessary for playing at a high level because just being aggressive 24/7 can lead to you getting beat up by a good defensive player. Sonix is miles away from the most passive sonic player and he can not only be patient but also explosive but that patiece that he needs to have in order to succeed is what gets him shunned by the entire smash community. if you dont enjoy watching him thats fine but dont go complaining in youtube comments or the twitch chat about it. and in case you didnt notice, some people like seeing patient and percise top level play. its not for everyone but dont complain about it like a child.
"Leave the poor camper alone 😤 it takes so much effort to run away and press B 😪". People are voicing their displeasure with people playing being uninteractive and lame. Check the comments sections in Zomba/Teaser's videos and you'll see people don't condemn camping itself, but the way it's being done and the consequences for it for both players and watchers. A gameplan that rewards not-engaging and even going to time deserves all the shun it gets.
This comment right here is why the fgc looks down upon the smash community
Y'all are just a of overgrown children I swear
Glad this lame sonic is out.
攻めと守りの緩急が激しいなあ
Damn, tried finding the wavedash grands but found basically the same thing here
Let us have a moment of silence for the alternate reality where Sonix won this set.
Let’s not
You for real Nigga?
These high level games play out a lot like Smash online when there's a Sonic in the match.
Sonic really makes any match so boring to watch
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Sin dudas el main Sonic se ganó mi respeto!!
Se ve que dio lo mejor de si en el combate!!
Pero leo es ese jefe final que derrotarlo una vez es ganar XD
Dió el spam más aburrido que pudo dar, como siempre, alto cringe sonix
Culpa del personaje no es. A Sonic le nerfearon el "Tilt UP" y "Up A" hace poco. Esos movimientos hacían ver peleas más emocionantes por parte del personaje ya que daban para más combos.
Ahora solo hacerse bolita y usar ataques aéreos son lo único útil del personaje, y por eso sus jugadores no tienen opción más que abusar de eso...
@@johnmaco no se como esos dos movimientos hacen a sonic mejor, te refieres a cuando podia hacer un combo que te mataba de agarre arriba - aereo arriba
Eso lo hacia todavia mas injusto,minimo este sonic batalla en matarte porque te tiene perseguir afuera del escenario. Los sonic siempre han usado spin dash muchisimo mas porque te condicionan a poner escudo
It's not you're playing leo it's your playing somoene with proper super spacing and precision!.,.
Was there a reason Leo wasn't using up and down tilt as Corrin
really shows how sonic carries players with no fundamentals
Cap
@@Xxblade17 no 🧢
Nerf sonic or I will pick sonic for online players with lags and RageQuit!
Or just improve the netcode...
Nah man, just get good and learn the MU
@@boomsonic7684 finally someone with a brain
@@boomsonic7684 until they wont fix online laggy netcode.
Finally leo, put that Mono in his place
What’s a mono?
Lol, it cracks me up when people talk like this. Put him in his place? you mean top 8? He already proved himself and was taken down by the best player in the world
@@GUSplatoon it means monkey in Spanish
@@extonjonas6820 you watch 30 minutes of sonix pressing two buttons over and over and say "yes, this is the person i wanna see in top 8"
@@extonjonas6820 not first place lol
Honestly think corrin is just better than byleth
I wish dragon fang could be cancel like byleth arrow or sephiroth flare
I'm glad Skill > Cheap shit so far
Sonix had a good run but damn Leo
Rip Sonix. Great effort.
You mean Sonix Experience can beat Mkleo Experience >:)
The best match of the tournament
U are delusional did u watch grands
Let me guess "bEcAus SoNCx LOOOsis"
@@ShadowerzTheFreedomSpreader yep and theres nothing wrong with dat
there is no way your clown ah as a toji pfp@@RETAIN3R_347
14:42 anyone else notice how annoyed with Sonix Leo is?
No FUCKING WAY. Leo.. in losers? Bruh pls wipe out campix
Lol stay mad
@@blackbluem1210 that’s why Leo took the dub
leo is in losers most tournaments he plays in, but he always makes fantastic runs to grand finals to most times just win
also, hate the character, not the player. sonic should be getting the hate, not sonix. he did nothing wrong.
Leo in losers isn't a big deal. Hes done it before
ソニックスうまいな
me da un chingo gusto cada que pierde ese wey del sonix.... es el jugador más aburrido que conozco, hasta prefiero jugar contra alguien con lag que con ese sonic campero
omg this gonna be exciting
Seriously? You think matches w sonic are exciting?
@@Noba46688 Bro, the dude's being sarcastic. of course it isn't. you see sonic and role your eyes. everyone does unless they've been lobotomized
TWENTY MINUTES?
The goat does it again. Beat the Villain Sonix 😤
Corn
#CorrinClub #CorrinTopTier
LEO!! YES!
7:13 most annoying stuff man, well, the end of that sequence was beautiful but fck Sonic, how can ppl like the character ffs
Missed Game 2 Corrin's opening.... Bruh..... You flipping....Playing too much on the replays. If it's good then it's good but don't flipping not control...,. yourself.,. maybe.,.?,..
"sonic bad"
sonix is schmooving in that last game
...to that blast zone!
@@ewngzedward6182 awwww I literally came in here to say that 😂😂😂
Eso es leo sigue esperando
RD un the game 🇩🇴🇩🇴🇩🇴😎
Sonic has the worst deisgn in his game. I wished he was not included in this game
Sonic is so boring zzzz
You know based on these comments I'm seeing, most of you sonic haters would actually zoner archetypes in other fighting games 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lmao go cuddle your sonic mario pregnancy plushy bae ain't nobody agree with you 😂
Most likely, playing campy or pressing B in smash and people hate you
@@albertorodriguez3927 and the fact a fool like you tries to come up with something so absurd really says alot about you.
damn, sonic players are mad annoying
Honestly sonix isn't good with sonic, all he does is spam spin dash. A good sonic would be better than that.
Are you top 8?
@@JinxisHere758 no but at least he isn as lame
Always a pleasure to see sonix lose.
I hope he has the worst possible day.
Imagine losing to the best player in the world literally couldn’t be me 💀💀💀🤓🤓🤓
riddles shoulda beat sonix bruh so ccringe
Why the commentators so hype for sonic fair offstage 💀
SONIC IS CRINGE
Not going to see the match but hope sonic loses 🙏
Sonic is great. On a side-note, masking should not be mandatory. It's a violation of our rights.
"Okay... I see who lost or won, time to give props... and then I add my stupid fucking opinion after even though it has nothing to do with the gameplay! Oh yeah, this will bang!"
Seriously bro, please... shut the fuck up.
Brother really got two absolutely horrible takes in about 20 words
You can not go to the tournament if you want to preserve your rights
If you actually knew anything about your rights you’d know private venues have the RIGHT to set their own rules. Sad most Americans don’t actually know anything about their own country
Even if I were an anti masker, I’d still understand that a private event can make their own rules. Is it also wrong for a Catholic school to not allow guys to be shirtless or girls to wear crop tops? No, because a private institution is allowed to do that.