mark is making WAVES. absolutely AMAZING JOB from mark! hes a very good player, but hes kind of unheard of PGRU wise. one of the best pikas out there, him making it to winners here even, is a very impressive feat. With all these games he has played already, I hope he can keep his ice and keep climbing forward!
Yes def impressive, think people underrate him a bit because they think Pika is one of if not the best char inte the game. Pikachu is good, but not a top 10 char. People overrate Pika because of Esams ceaseless gospel and all the faulty theorycrafting in communities. Pikachu does have several weaknesses: low overall damage output outside of loops, not a top tier in terms of killpower either, lacks range in a meta filled with swordies and semi swordies in, has mediocre mobility stats to which is not good when you lack range, not slow but not fast either. If you have poor range you kinda want to be fast. Don't get me wrong, Pikachu is a brutal character with a long list of very strong properties and abilities too. Pika can reverse and gimp players trying to edgeguard them like no one else, having one of the best recoveries in the game. Pikachu has a very good projectile, one of the best. Pikachu has aerials which oftentimes can't be punished at all because of Pancaking despite them not being on safe shield. Slingshot benefits Pikachu too. Moreover, there's quick qttack. It is not just a good move for recovering, even if it was only useable on stage it would still be a superb move. A difficult to punish fast burst option always threatening a large area from afar. And it can start combos. In combination with T-Jolts this makes Pikachu's neutral work, it lets Pikachu get away with lacking range and speed. On a sidenote: Imagine if Kirby had quick attack and t-jolts, damn character would jump a tier at least. Kirby is slower than Pikachu, but if Pikachu didn't have T-jolt and Quick Attack it would struggle for the same reason Kirby does. If you lack both disjoints, range and horizontal mobility there's so many characters who can just space you out. Especially in top and high tier. When at its best, Pikachu does look completely unstoppade, with its cross stage carrying aerial loops into down-b zero to combos. And a chunk of the cast get few to no chances to even play the game vs Pikachu, someone big, like Bowser for instance, ends up getting perpetually juggled. Even so Pikachu can't always land those loops and/or zero to deaths. They are not easy to perform and they don't work reliably vs all characters and/or players. Depending of who you're fighting, landing the combo starters you need, can just be hard in general because really good players are always specifically looking out for and trying to avoid the most dangerous combostarters. Players who are very good at SDI can also make things more complicated. Meanwhile the regular Pika combos don't really do a lot of damage. Pikachu's raw kill moves are not great. And Pikachu is relatively light. So if a Pikachu player is unable to gimp their opponent or get them with some specific kill combo they end up needing to win neutral a lot more than their opponent typically. This doesn't have to be a problem for Pikachu. But vs characters who can handle t-jolts and quick attack while outranging and/or outtrading Pikachu it is a major issue. Pikachu has a lot of tough matchups. Ness for one isn't easy. Peach is also hell. And then we have all the mobile swordies and semiswordies who can swat Pikachu's t-jolts away while hitting Pikachu in the process all the while staying mobile enough to not be easy quick attack targets. Not to mention all the damn high and top tier Zoners which Pikachu can't outcamp. Many of them have stronger normals with more range than Pikachu while weighing more too. Steve is not easy for Pikachu. Neither is Pacman. Pikachu can win its bad matchups, with loops, and zero to deaths, reversals and spotless play. But that's just not gonna happen all of the time. In many matchups Pikachu has a very small margin of error compared to their opponent. That's why Pikachu lacks consistent results, and is not one of the best characters in the game. At least as of now. Sheik is in a similar situation. So yeah, ShinyMark is a beast, not a lot of people can play Pikachu at a high level. He's not carried at all. He's just really good.
@@axelnilsson2031 That is very well thought out, though I still disagree in that I believe Pikachu is top 5, for reasons you've probably already heard. But Shinymark is definitely not carried.
@@stryker9250 I'm totally open to being wrong about Pikachu. Would love to see Esam or Shinymark at more big tournaments taking names and securing results. I do think neither of them are playing Pika optimally yet. They can both improve and could learn from each other. Also hoping some young prodigy playing Pika turns up and starts making waves. Pikachu is a really cool character. And a very good one to. Potentially one of the best. So there's gotta be some reason why there isn't more representation. I think it's partly because Pika is a hard character to play. So even if Pika is really good, Pika doesn't carry.
@@axelnilsson2031 another thing i see as well is, pikachus edge guarding is only so good as well. It seems most of the times you can only guard low or high options only, you cant seem to position yourself to do both any bit
Pikachu players are only a few inches above maining Steve, once you go to a tourney you stop feeling bad for those shitheads sd'ing, specially after you spent 20 minutes edguarding them and they keep recovering for free
@@noirlavender6409 Why tf are you being so disrespectful to Pikachu players bruh 💀 this isn’t like sm4sh bayo or Steve dude literally nobody plays Pikachu and you’re getting mad after one player does well against Leo
To everyone saying Shinymark is better than ESAM, he doesn't have the results yet. Even if he is, you need results to back up the claim. ESAM still has wins over many top players that Shinymark doesn't. You're being pretty quick to say he isn't the best. He hasn't been as active, but he's still the best pikachu. And also why is this comment section just toxic and whiny in general?
Results aren't everything. It's not ShinyMarks fault he can't travel to shit, he's a very talented player but can't travel due to his region (Guatemala) and therefore has difficult circumstances like getting a visa to the States.
He beat Maister which Esam still hasn't been able to do. I do believe Shinymark is better but im not gonna claim it is fact. However he is not far off from that argument what so ever
This game reminded me why I stan ShinyMark, phenomenal play! Leo had to adapt and change around Shiny's playstyle throughout that game, I'm sure that the sets will only get closer from here!
Yeah and I hope Leo will fight WaDi later in the tournament, the best Rob player and Ice Climbers player in the world. Or if we get a thug finals between Andrik the best Falcon and Javi the best Lucina player
@@SomeoneWeird-vx5jx We can agree to disagree but I think ShinyMark is the best OVERALL Pika. Even Esam HIMSELF HAS SAID MULTIPLE TIMES that it's debatable. He's a more well rounded Pika who has a better intuition when to be aggressive. Esam is straight up aggression who has 2 modes of attack: rar bair spam into edge guard and t jolt into rar bair into edguard lol. His neutral is way less fleshed out than ShinyMark. Also this is maybe my third time watching ShinyMark compared to the countless sets of Esam I watched . ShinyMark is not my favorite player and I don't care for him much but I can SEE and respect better Pika play. I will say that Esam is probably the best Pika specialist still but being a character specialist doesn't mean you're the overall better player of that character.
Whenever I see Leo or Sparg0 use Aegis, I am reminded that the char is a Melee Char trapped in Ults mechanics and physics, much like Joker. Those 2 are def the best traditional Smash chars in the game.
Disagree. Mythra is a melee char for sure but Pyra or Joker aren’t melee type characters at all. Pyra obviously isn’t and Joker also has average air speed and mediocre dash speed. Only his run speed is above average and even there it’s like top 20 run speed in Ultimate so really not melee level, and even when he get Arsene all those stats don’t change. He’s good but doesn’t feel like a Melee character at all.
@@DavionLane he's the best to ever play by a huge margin, and literally any top player on earth would agree. If your opinion is that using any DLC is cheating then you're a complete moron
@@DavionLane I think I agree that some the dlc characters may be overpowered, but it's not cheating. It's not like they banned those characters and MkLeo is playing them anyway. There is no fighting game where every character is even, so choosing good characters is also part of the game.
I may be wrong but I believe the sword being a projectile crashed against the stage and therefore immediately came back to Leo, allowing him to start the jab when he got on stage
Yeah bro i bet you can beat ShinyMark and Esam at the same time with your eyes closed while eating your gaming doritos that your awesome and lovely mother bought for you at the store. I bet you can also beat the living shit out of Leo in the game and IRL bro you are so epic and gamer.
The area where Leo, Spargo, Chag, Skyjay, Maister and all those players play is the best overall region. Unless you're talking county, than yeah it's probably Japan. Having a small country for travel time but still a dense player base and decent wifi because so much is wired works well for them. I have to travel over an hour for a local.
One if the things I'm not fond of are players like MKleo taunting cause a player made him work for the wins. It tells me that the player that you are taunting against had you shook and you felt like you needed a self pick me up. Also taunting when you know that if that second game where shinymark sd'd was not an sd he would be sweating bullets. I feel that DLC characters like Prya/ Mythra and Kazuya are too much of "I have every tool than all of you all and I have a get out of punishes I made" crap that makes it annoying to deal with.
@@marcosfreire5037 Still an obnoxious character to watch for some people. The character has a top 5 nuch, top 5 advantage state, top 5 edge guard potential, top 5 projectile and just wins scramble situations more than half the time. I won't deny the character is hard to use at high level but at beginner to intermediate level you can just mash then get by with a few combos and t jolt spam.
"sword bayo" this just proves that you're a ultimate newcomer who's never experienced the sm4sh bayo themselves. Mythra is broken, but bayo was game ruining
@@francesco3588 I'm not a new to the scene, and your waifu is a gimmick. Cosmos is called the best Aegis by many and yet he always chokes. You'd be singing a different tune if all Aegis players started abusing foresight. It's witch time on spot dodge. This is why I call her Sword Bayo.
20:12 literally a frame away from securing that stock damn leo is good
Leo is good, but that feat was just luck.
@@AviorGloria nah
@@AviorGloria I think switching is a form of free spot dodge(DLC privilege i guess). Players use it as a defensive option all the time.
@@hellothere9169 he basically spotdodged nothing like to impressive xD
Mkleo taunting lmao, he truly hates the rats
10:24 "The flying pancake of a back-air"
Never has Pikachu been described so accurately.
10:14 actually
Electrogenic invertebrate lagomorph engaging in predatory saltation
There's just something really hilarious about pikachu denying the jump with that lil headbutt @11:22 lmao
mark is making WAVES. absolutely AMAZING JOB from mark! hes a very good player, but hes kind of unheard of PGRU wise. one of the best pikas out there, him making it to winners here even, is a very impressive feat. With all these games he has played already, I hope he can keep his ice and keep climbing forward!
Yes def impressive, think people underrate him a bit because they think Pika is one of if not the best char inte the game. Pikachu is good, but not a top 10 char. People overrate Pika because of Esams ceaseless gospel and all the faulty theorycrafting in communities. Pikachu does have several weaknesses: low overall damage output outside of loops, not a top tier in terms of killpower either, lacks range in a meta filled with swordies and semi swordies in, has mediocre mobility stats to which is not good when you lack range, not slow but not fast either. If you have poor range you kinda want to be fast.
Don't get me wrong, Pikachu is a brutal character with a long list of very strong properties and abilities too. Pika can reverse and gimp players trying to edgeguard them like no one else, having one of the best recoveries in the game. Pikachu has a very good projectile, one of the best. Pikachu has aerials which oftentimes can't be punished at all because of Pancaking despite them not being on safe shield. Slingshot benefits Pikachu too. Moreover, there's quick qttack. It is not just a good move for recovering, even if it was only useable on stage it would still be a superb move. A difficult to punish fast burst option always threatening a large area from afar. And it can start combos. In combination with T-Jolts this makes Pikachu's neutral work, it lets Pikachu get away with lacking range and speed. On a sidenote: Imagine if Kirby had quick attack and t-jolts, damn character would jump a tier at least. Kirby is slower than Pikachu, but if Pikachu didn't have T-jolt and Quick Attack it would struggle for the same reason Kirby does. If you lack both disjoints, range and horizontal mobility there's so many characters who can just space you out. Especially in top and high tier.
When at its best, Pikachu does look completely unstoppade, with its cross stage carrying aerial loops into down-b zero to combos. And a chunk of the cast get few to no chances to even play the game vs Pikachu, someone big, like Bowser for instance, ends up getting perpetually juggled.
Even so Pikachu can't always land those loops and/or zero to deaths. They are not easy to perform and they don't work reliably vs all characters and/or players. Depending of who you're fighting, landing the combo starters you need, can just be hard in general because really good players are always specifically looking out for and trying to avoid the most dangerous combostarters. Players who are very good at SDI can also make things more complicated.
Meanwhile the regular Pika combos don't really do a lot of damage. Pikachu's raw kill moves are not great. And Pikachu is relatively light. So if a Pikachu player is unable to gimp their opponent or get them with some specific kill combo they end up needing to win neutral a lot more than their opponent typically. This doesn't have to be a problem for Pikachu. But vs characters who can handle t-jolts and quick attack while outranging and/or outtrading Pikachu it is a major issue.
Pikachu has a lot of tough matchups. Ness for one isn't easy. Peach is also hell. And then we have all the mobile swordies and semiswordies who can swat Pikachu's t-jolts away while hitting Pikachu in the process all the while staying mobile enough to not be easy quick attack targets. Not to mention all the damn high and top tier Zoners which Pikachu can't outcamp. Many of them have stronger normals with more range than Pikachu while weighing more too. Steve is not easy for Pikachu. Neither is Pacman. Pikachu can win its bad matchups, with loops, and zero to deaths, reversals and spotless play. But that's just not gonna happen all of the time. In many matchups Pikachu has a very small margin of error compared to their opponent. That's why Pikachu lacks consistent results, and is not one of the best characters in the game. At least as of now. Sheik is in a similar situation.
So yeah, ShinyMark is a beast, not a lot of people can play Pikachu at a high level. He's not carried at all. He's just really good.
@@axelnilsson2031 That is very well thought out, though I still disagree in that I believe Pikachu is top 5, for reasons you've probably already heard. But Shinymark is definitely not carried.
@@stryker9250 I'm totally open to being wrong about Pikachu. Would love to see Esam or Shinymark at more big tournaments taking names and securing results. I do think neither of them are playing Pika optimally yet. They can both improve and could learn from each other. Also hoping some young prodigy playing Pika turns up and starts making waves. Pikachu is a really cool character. And a very good one to. Potentially one of the best. So there's gotta be some reason why there isn't more representation. I think it's partly because Pika is a hard character to play. So even if Pika is really good, Pika doesn't carry.
@@axelnilsson2031 another thing i see as well is, pikachus edge guarding is only so good as well. It seems most of the times you can only guard low or high options only, you cant seem to position yourself to do both any bit
@@axelnilsson2031 Second-class comment. Pikachu is number 1. Now time to sleep in the basement 😄
20:09 very precise recovery. Thats stuff only the very best can do, consistently.
Yea this MKLeo guy seems pretty good
The timing of the switch was insane
ShinyMark did the best against Leo out of everyone at this event tbh.
@@BobbyFischer0000 Name another Pikachu aside from ESAM that would give Leo such difficulty. ShinyMark is also really good.
14:26 the taunt in the SD tho 😭
Leo randomly being toxic was hilarious. He usually never taunts
Pikachu players are only a few inches above maining Steve, once you go to a tourney you stop feeling bad for those shitheads sd'ing, specially after you spent 20 minutes edguarding them and they keep recovering for free
@@noirlavender6409 I have a feeling you don't like pikas very much either lol
@@noirlavender6409 Why tf are you being so disrespectful to Pikachu players bruh 💀 this isn’t like sm4sh bayo or Steve dude literally nobody plays Pikachu and you’re getting mad after one player does well against Leo
@@johnasamoah8668 Leo actually likes Shinymark (and latino players in general). Seemed more like a friendly but slightly aggressive taunt.
To everyone saying Shinymark is better than ESAM, he doesn't have the results yet. Even if he is, you need results to back up the claim. ESAM still has wins over many top players that Shinymark doesn't. You're being pretty quick to say he isn't the best. He hasn't been as active, but he's still the best pikachu. And also why is this comment section just toxic and whiny in general?
Na, he's better
This is the Smash Community, so it shouldn't be a surprise that they are.
@@nolanbrewer898 Proof: Trust me bro.
Results aren't everything. It's not ShinyMarks fault he can't travel to shit, he's a very talented player but can't travel due to his region (Guatemala) and therefore has difficult circumstances like getting a visa to the States.
He beat Maister which Esam still hasn't been able to do. I do believe Shinymark is better but im not gonna claim it is fact. However he is not far off from that argument what so ever
Very proud of Mark. Its great to see Pikachu appear in a major that isn't the egotistical bald man.
Lol you have an ego as well. Because you flex your superiority of an "egotistical bald man". Cringe family. Cringe.
W comment fuck esam
Esam would have to take leo to boxing ring to beat him in tourney
@@dennisreynolds1503 ummmmm…you di know that esam has beat mkleo before right?
100% AGREE can't stand esam
This game reminded me why I stan ShinyMark, phenomenal play! Leo had to adapt and change around Shiny's playstyle throughout that game, I'm sure that the sets will only get closer from here!
The amount of times pikachu coulda used thunder was crazy. He needs to use it more
Gracias por representar bien a tu pais, Mark!!
My boi finally beat Pika and the best Pika at that. I know he happy.
Nice bait
@@thingamagiga2 Not bait but ok.
Yeah and I hope Leo will fight WaDi later in the tournament, the best Rob player and Ice Climbers player in the world. Or if we get a thug finals between Andrik the best Falcon and Javi the best Lucina player
@@SomeoneWeird-vx5jx We can agree to disagree but I think ShinyMark is the best OVERALL Pika. Even Esam HIMSELF HAS SAID MULTIPLE TIMES that it's debatable. He's a more well rounded Pika who has a better intuition when to be aggressive. Esam is straight up aggression who has 2 modes of attack: rar bair spam into edge guard and t jolt into rar bair into edguard lol. His neutral is way less fleshed out than ShinyMark. Also this is maybe my third time watching ShinyMark compared to the countless sets of Esam I watched . ShinyMark is not my favorite player and I don't care for him much but I can SEE and respect better Pika play. I will say that Esam is probably the best Pika specialist still but being a character specialist doesn't mean you're the overall better player of that character.
@@dripfoe_3307 tourney placements are the en be all
why only 360p?
which pixel is mkleo?
Narrator casually turns into Goofy 🤣 12:27
Whenever I see Leo or Sparg0 use Aegis, I am reminded that the char is a Melee Char trapped in Ults mechanics and physics, much like Joker. Those 2 are def the best traditional Smash chars in the game.
wtf are you smoking
Disagree.
Mythra is a melee char for sure but Pyra or Joker aren’t melee type characters at all.
Pyra obviously isn’t and Joker also has average air speed and mediocre dash speed. Only his run speed is above average and even there it’s like top 20 run speed in Ultimate so really not melee level, and even when he get Arsene all those stats don’t change. He’s good but doesn’t feel like a Melee character at all.
jesse what the fuck are you saying
are you ok? theyre are literally broken character and nothing like joker lmao, whats next byleth and rob at true melee chars too?
That explains why Mew2king plays them
Hot take but this is best Aegis vs best Pikachu
only 360p maybe is a error guys check that pls
Que humilde ShinyMark, dándole la victoria Guate -god
I comr from the future, Shiny got his rematch!
4:58 "Aiges" bro, lmao
Why are most of the comments just these shitty character wars. If anyone thinks either of these players are carried you're completely out of your mind
Mkleo is a dlc cheater
@@DavionLane he's the best to ever play by a huge margin, and literally any top player on earth would agree. If your opinion is that using any DLC is cheating then you're a complete moron
Leo is carried by dlc boosting
@@DavionLane I think I agree that some the dlc characters may be overpowered, but it's not cheating. It's not like they banned those characters and MkLeo is playing them anyway. There is no fighting game where every character is even, so choosing good characters is also part of the game.
what happened at 16:16?
I may be wrong but I believe the sword being a projectile crashed against the stage and therefore immediately came back to Leo, allowing him to start the jab when he got on stage
This man was really about to say arguably
13:03
Umm… excuse me what?
Shinymark is a genius !
Can someone just confirm, is he the best player in the world? I don't think I heard them say.
Shinymark and Pikachu are better than Aegis anyways
Is that chaparrito casting in English?
Pikachu players are honestly so predictable. Same thing over and over. Doesn’t matter which player plays they are interchangeable
Yeah bro i bet you can beat ShinyMark and Esam at the same time with your eyes closed while eating your gaming doritos that your awesome and lovely mother bought for you at the store.
I bet you can also beat the living shit out of Leo in the game and IRL bro you are so epic and gamer.
@@DerkerBluer you sound salty
Watching Smash Factor and Kagaribi side by side is night & day. Japan definitely the best region.
Have you heard of Tristate and New England
@@BC0MBS Yeah and they'll get stomped.
@@fupalover Light Zomba Tweek Yonni etc
@@BC0MBS still stomped
The area where Leo, Spargo, Chag, Skyjay, Maister and all those players play is the best overall region. Unless you're talking county, than yeah it's probably Japan. Having a small country for travel time but still a dense player base and decent wifi because so much is wired works well for them. I have to travel over an hour for a local.
I can’t help but root for shinymark in this matchup
Eres el mejor pikachu que e visto en mi vida!! Creo que con un poco más de práctica súperas a leo!!
No lo creo., Leo ni siquiera jugó con su main.
Mark es demasiado bueno, todo un profesional.
pero le falta mucho para alcanzar a Leo.
@@calemjewell2067 si leo le jugaba con byleth o joker no creo que hubiese el mismo resultado, las aegis le da ventaja
One if the things I'm not fond of are players like MKleo taunting cause a player made him work for the wins. It tells me that the player that you are taunting against had you shook and you felt like you needed a self pick me up. Also taunting when you know that if that second game where shinymark sd'd was not an sd he would be sweating bullets. I feel that DLC characters like Prya/ Mythra and Kazuya are too much of "I have every tool than all of you all and I have a get out of punishes I made" crap that makes it annoying to deal with.
All my homies hate pikachu
Play pika. Takes more skill than most of the cast 🤣
@@marcosfreire5037 Still an obnoxious character to watch for some people. The character has a top 5 nuch, top 5 advantage state, top 5 edge guard potential, top 5 projectile and just wins scramble situations more than half the time. I won't deny the character is hard to use at high level but at beginner to intermediate level you can just mash then get by with a few combos and t jolt spam.
wtb pixels
Foresight is such a dumb ability, we need another balance patch.
I HATE PIKACHU
Shinymark is cool though. Not hating the player
It’s ultimate, is there really a character that’s both good and enjoyable to play against?
You can surely tell the level of this tournament when Leo doesn’t need to switch to byleth or better yet “rob” aka his last resource lol
honestely kinda cringy to watch this weeb character
Sword Bayo is up there with Sonic. Boring.
"sword bayo" this just proves that you're a ultimate newcomer who's never experienced the sm4sh bayo themselves. Mythra is broken, but bayo was game ruining
and somehow they're both more entertaining than Kirby 😭😭
Agreed
Absolute chore to watch
@@francesco3588 I'm not a new to the scene, and your waifu is a gimmick. Cosmos is called the best Aegis by many and yet he always chokes. You'd be singing a different tune if all Aegis players started abusing foresight. It's witch time on spot dodge. This is why I call her Sword Bayo.
@@francesco3588 There was no mention of ruining a game. They called her boring. Try actually reading next time.
Leo is a joke
So boring to watch him play, always spamming air attacks with the same boring weeb characters.
winners focus on winning
losers focus on winners
Man's name is Truth Seeker so I'll give you the truth,
Bro you're just a viewer lmao
@@harryji6079 damn that’s a good one
Now I'm not saying he's cool, but is Rob a weeb character?
@@stryker9250 yes screw Rob