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- Byleth's controversial release has been met with equally unexpected tournament success spearheaded almost exclusively by MkLeo. Even in spite of that however, they still remain as one of the least played characters in the game. For today's episode of Why NO ONE Plays, we'll be featuring Byleth!
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This was very insightful and a good articulation of how I've always felt trying to play Byleth. "I've got longer range than you...why doesn't it feel like it?"
Basically yep. Byleth is the distance demon but most characters straight up don't care.
Part of what makes Byleth so fun for me is how hard they can punish their opponent. No character does it the same way
I mean 3 out of his 4 special moves can kill
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@@lordtt3984 cant remember having killed anyone with Areadbhar (outside of a far away edgeguard), still a strong AF attack.
@ayar2 If you hit the tipper on a jump call out then they can explode at like 100 (depending on character ofc). Only really hit it while messing around but it CAN kill
Um... Pyra/mythra, kazuya, captan falcon, ganondorf, jokerand incineroar all do it equally or better and many of them can create these instances more often
Byleth is honestly the most fun FE character in the game despite all of its weaknesses.
Feels like a heavy weight that traded some of its weight for more range on some of its attacks.
I will counter that by saying - robin. Robin is really fun to play
@@valterain6907 I agree...but Robin can also be so frustrating to play.
Purely because Robin sabotages itself by having limited uses on the Tomes and Levin Sword. It's so annoying to run out of them in the most crucial moments.
And really makes me wish that Robin didn't have this resource system and that its specials were generally better.
@@Nefaliss I've been playing robin since I picked up smash, and I agree for the most part. Robin also some very bad matchups against characters with reflectors because it completely invalidates their game plan. The resource system does get a lot less annoying when you learn to play around it, and learn how to use book and levin sword discard to your advantage (and, not to mention how many times I accidentally cheese someone because they got hit by an elwind discard off stage trying to ledge guard)
“It?” 💀
I believe Corrin is the most fun IMO, but you guys have my #2 and 3 with Byleth & Robin
After playing Three Houses his move set makes so much sense. His slow movement speed and punishable attacks really puts an emphasis on decision making, commitment, and positioning. Which is all important in Three Houses (despite it being an easy game). Also he’s actually pretty goofy in his own game and a lovable character even though he’s a silent protagonist
He has no personality
Excellent analysis! I've played Three Houses, but I never thought about it this way, and it makes so much sense!
@@Zenitsu-zq4pj Yeah honestly they did a good job designing his character for smash. I’m not that good with him but it’s always fun watching a good Byleth
"An easy game" Bro hasn't played madenning xd
@@pepeelghetto1231 Awakening Lunatic+? Conquest Lunatic?
Three Houses is easy past the first few chapters
This was really interesting! Byleth is almost never in a comfortable position to consistently apply a gameplan on a character to character basis, but what they are great at is converting normal player-player interactions into devastatingly early stocks
They're like a heavyweight but extremely awkward to play and isn't heavy, it's strange
@@mrhalfsaid1389 I don't think about think about them like a heavyweight neccesarily. To me, he's a heavy version of pit. While pit is a gladius to lucina's falchion, he's a zweihander. He takes the best elements of both of them. The close range potential (nair, grab) of pit, the "everywhere" prescence lucina can have, and the spacing required of both
@@tumultoustortellini RPG characters are about out smarting your opponent. Byleth is no different, he has anticipate what the opponent is going to do and punishes them for it, just like playing a Fire Emblem game.
@@orangeslash1667 That's what every character in the game is supposed to do. Reads, adaptions, punishes, are what fighting games are made of
@@tumultoustortellini oh right.
Did not expect to sit down and see myself in the first 30 seconds of the video haha. I think for a roughly high tier character this character isn't meant for everyone, but I like how pretty straightforward Byleths gameplan is, and picking apart someone with raw good reads and neutral is so satisfying to play.
Looks like Vars did you a little dirty with that clip 💀
Still awesome that you made it into the video though! Good luck with tournaments
@connorself LMFAO it's all good honestly, Frostbite 2020 was just a few short weeks after the character had released and I was extremely sick that entire weekend so I just went her to try tether cancel shenanigans. Was pleasantly surprised to see I was on here though!
@@Merricktherox still better than I could do, I play smash casually but I’ve been considering taking byleth/Sora to locals. Glad to see I’m not the only one who messes up tether
As someone who’s a Byleth main, I found this intriguing and educational. If you wouldn’t mind adding which characters would beat each character as you do the reviews, that’s helpful. Great video!!
Im pretty sure byleth loses to projectile characters that can force byleth to approach, run away characters, and rush down characters.
@@gameboyn64 I would agree with this, I train with Byleth (as well as other mains) on each lvl 9 character AI and I find, with my style of play, fighting Inceneroar, Yoshi, Mario, Minmin, Kazuya, Steve to be the most challenging/annoying 😅.
@@myroncrowe5520 kaz and steve are actually good matches for byleth
Byleth is genuinely such a fun character to play. I feel like his advantage state, while more read heavy than many characters, is the most fun to pilot.
I just feel really bad for byleth. He was completely controversial as a fighter pick and after being released, almost no one gave him a shot due to the stigma of Fire Emblem in the smash community. Anyway, I love Byleth and main him alongside Terry and Cloud. Hope you all have a wonderful day
I feel like the hate byleth got would have been minimized if they just waited until fighters pass 2 to put byleth in and put another 3rd party character in as the final character of fighters pass 1
I loved Three Houses and Byleth is my secondary. I love how unique she is as a swordie.
I used to have that stigma, but turns out I actually love how swordies play. I also love 3H now as well. I give every character a shot, and I'm so glad I gave it to byleth
@@annettenebiolo6962 bruh
I didn't mind Byleth, I was never bugged by the "anime swordfighter" thing. And FE having a lot of reps make sense since each game has a unique story and protagonist. Eventually I got around to playing Three Houses and now I'm pretty happy with their inclusion.
Yoshi/Byleth Co-main here and all I'm gonna say is despite their flaws imho i think Byleth is by far one of the most fun and unique characters to play. There are very few times not only in smash but fighting games in general when you play a character for the first time and you fall in love with everything from the movement to their moveset. This was me when i was playing randoms against a friend. (I still use the same color i got off of random) 😅
I kind of had the same feeling with pitt
Also, as you said, it was MkLeo, the king of spacing. He's a master of understanding threat bubbles and use them appropiately to make those unsafe aerials safe on shield; he has an innate synergy with characters like Marth or Byleth in that way. Most players are not like him and have more focus on combos, conditioning or mix-ups over perfect spacing and reads. In short, they're TOO BALANCED FOR THEIR OWN GOOD, their massive strenghts come with massive weaknesses you must deal with, altough is not overly disadvantageous or bland, just good balance coming to play, like the true Shotos, Sheik, Greninja or Sora. No doubt a 7/10 character who is not beginner-friendly like Ness.
Funnily enough I am one of two Byleth mains at my rather small local scene. With two players, Byleth is one the most represented characters here.
In my opinion Byleth is a character with great strengths but pretty big weaknesses as well. The video sadly didn't really go over some of Byleth's strengths and mostly focused on the negatives. Just to go over a few of them: Probably one of the best edge guarding in the game, very early kill confirms and setups, a very strong anti-air game and a very good combo game, especially for swordie standards.
Yeah, Byleth is what we call "A balanced character", one with strenghts as prominent as its weaknesses.
*Strenghts:* Damage per interaction, Juggling, Recovery, Range, Kill power, Shield pressure, edgeguards.
*Weaknesses:* Frame data, ground mobility, air mobility, end lag, spacing reliance, landing.
Is a 7v6, which again, averages out in a perfectly functional character with great strenghts and exploitable weaknesses, making them powerful but constrained. The definition of a low-high tier or 7/10 character.
For comparison's sake, let's see a top tier and a low tier.
*Roy's strengths:* Kill power, Ground mobility, air mobility, Damage per interaction, mix-ups, Frame data.
*Weaknesses:* Landing, Spacing reliance, off-stage. A 6v3, with so many strengths and not a lot of weaknesses there's no wonder why he's a top tier, a 9/10 according to the tier list.
*King DDD's strenghts:* Survivability, Damage per hit, ledge traps, Range.
*Weaknesses:* Frame data, Endlag, Ground speed, Air speed, Size, landing, out of shield, shield safety. 4 vs 8, there's a reason he's considered unviable low tier; no, he doesn't kill early like most heavyweights, just on high percentages consistently so is quite average, that's why he's considered a bottom 5 and a 3/10.
PS: If you ask me, Byleth is the best designed DLC alongside Sephiroth. It is balanced which not many DLC can proclaim that btw, it lacks those unfair moments (That discards Hero and Terry), has an enjoyable playstyle for their intended audience (That discarded Sora btw). If your shield got broken is because Byleth read you, the arrows are predictable in timing and is truly slow and clunky; if you lose is a bit of your fault and their reward.
I picked them up when they came out, and they’ve been my main from that day on. I dropped Marth because I didn’t feel he was helpful to my improvement, and when I picked up Byleth, they just clicked perfectly. Their up b and nair have been my most used moves and their speed doesn’t really hamper how fluid they feel to move. Byleth with slingshot helps a ton (unfortunately I don’t get it consistently) and they have a ton of mixups with up b, and it just makes for crazy reversals to getting edgeguarded and their recovery is so cool (wish they had more horizontal movement but win some, lose some). They are a great character who deserves more love and came out at an unfortunate time with all the Corrin hate getting moved to Byleth.
Honestly, I never expected to pick up Byleth in Smash. I remember buying Three Houses because I wanted to try out Fire Emblem for the first time, but I didn't get to it until months later. Byleth being so fun in Smash is what pushed me to play through all four routes in Three Houses, as well as do the Cindered Shadows DLC. I co-mained them alongside Wario during my time with Ultimate.
Not only do I like Byleth in Smash, but I also like Byleth in Fire Emblem itself as well. I don't care how many people say they don't have a personality. They do have one. It's just that people write them off as "boring with no personality" simply because they're a silent protagonist.
In a non-competitive environment (ie, playing with my friends), Byleth is great.
People make more mistakes at lower levels and will get an axe to the face as a result. They're also easier to read which results in... An axe to the face.
She's basically Ganondorf mixed with Palutena and I love those two characters.
spam full charge Failnaught in a 4+ Player match, easy KOs.
Byleth being a high risk, high reward character makes them really fun for me to play, every win feels earned because of the flaws I had to work past and every loss still feels meaningful because I can learn from what I could've done better.
So basically despite having good range they don't have the movement to back it up. Its interesting as I thought Byleth got more popular after Leo's success.
Makes sense also how Tweek, Spargo, and Glutto managed to adapt to the character.
I saw more Corrins too after Leo started to use them
As you keep talking about how Byleth plays... this is exactly how fire emblem plays!
I find Byleth to be one of the coolest and most unique characters in all of Ultimate. They actually ended up becoming my co-main alongside Wario while I still played the game. I had so much fun with Byleth that it pushed me into playing through all of Three Houses (and yes, I mean ALL of it) and I enjoy Byleth in Fire Emblem itself just as much as I do in Ultimate. I do wish they had voicelines outside of combat, but Warriors Three Hopes does help remedy that.
Made me happy to hear the Byleth and Sephiroth comparison. I love all the swordies in the game, but once Byleth got in, he basically felt so good that a lot of swordies just lost their chance to become my main. However When Sephiroth got in, he basically replaced Byleth since he does the things Byleth was doing but more in a way that I like, and I have more history with Sephiroth compared to the 6 hours of playing three houses (good game so far, just not high priority. Eventually I"ll finish it!). Still, I wrecked people's faces day 1 with these characters, they feel amazing, but no one else seems to play them properly.
Dunno if I'll ever get around to Byleth outside of casuals again though. I realized I prefer playing Ridley over Byleth a bit. Also Cloud & Corrin are close behind for their own reasons. That's not even mentioning non-sword characters.
As a guy who mains byleth I can say this video perfectly describes what kinda character he is
Ah yes, another man of class who plays byleth
As a man who mains Byleth but has no patience, I should probably just play a different character or get more patient.
I'm not gonna do either of those but I should.
@@fluffydemon1 well said brotha
@@fluffydemon1 His slow movement speed and punishable attacks really puts an emphasis on decision making, commitment, and positioning.
Love the video, one thing that you forgot to mention is Byleth's recovery. It's unusually good for a sword character. If I were to change one thing about Byleth it would probably be to buff arrow. This might sound like a weird way to fix his problems, but if arrow was good enough to pressure the opponent into approaching, it would really help their game plan.
Great video! I think you touched on a lot of great points such as byleth’s lacking frame data and stats and the need to commit more (with cheese). On the flip side, I think that’s what makes them such a awesome and unique character because a lot of top-tiers are defined by their kits and stats as opposed to their skill levels (with pretty straight forward win conditions). Mkleo is a great example because Byleth has the potential to be played (even better sometimes) as a top-tier through good spacing and mechanics - and various ways to win a match-up. These, I feel are very undervalued in SSBU, but definitely growing in skills as players are getting better at mechanics like parrying, dodging, and spacing. On the flip side, again, Byleth has the potential to be bad on players uninterested in tech chasing, spacing and patience. I know this mostly through playing Byleth casually with friends and I see the difference often with other characters they play. Byleth is def one of my favorite characters to play for said reasons and truly they teach (pun intended) you a lot of fundies but on a more advanced and unique level than other characters.
Thanks for making the vods Vars!! Keep em coming!
Byleth’s run animation is fairly awkward aesthetically too. And now that I mention it I don’t know why the Smash dev team thought that Byleth’s run speed in 3H was their canon run speed. If we go off of actual in game 3H stats Byleth should be fast like somewhere between Roy and Lucina. I think that would definitely help Byleth’s game plan. I also think that the team wanted to avoid another FE sword character and they knew that Min-Min was going to be in the game so they opted to not have Byleth use the whip sword to its full extent and instead base their moveset on the three lords of 3H.
I'll finally know why noone else plays the coolest character in the game
no one is two different words it’s no “NoOnE”🧟♂️🤪🧠🟰0️⃣
@@seamino8329 what is your problem? also seriously liking your own comment come on bro
@@seamino8329 my brother in christ go touch grass or something, mf went to look for the brain emoji for this
Actually, the "Why noone plays: Ganondorf" video came out a while back. You must have clicked on the wrong vid. /j
@@piercearora7681 i didn’t like my own comment LOL. clearly someone agrees.
I play him video over
I picked up Byleth around summer of '21, primarily because I was playing a lot of Three Houses. I found them very fun and they quickly became my secondary, after Aegis. It wasn't until later that year I saw MKLeo's usage of Byleth that inspired me to improve with the character. I have more hours in the game as Byleth, both on and offline, than any other character. I now co-main them with Aegis.
Is Aegis the anime sword girls
@@giygas9305 Yes (Pyra/Mythra)
Please keep making more I beg you I just got into smash it's so informational and its helping me love characters that no one's played and it helps find my main thank you
I do think Byleth is pretty good at setting up the yolo plays though, her moves just have so much knockback and her nair is so good at setting up two piece combos and tech chases that you get so many opportunities to abuse your really strong tools. Also byleth nair is by no means easy to OOS, people don't get hit by the landing hit every time like in 2021, but it's still really ambiguous when you need to drop shield.
Pretty good summation of how fighters with different prefered ranges fight (7:20-7:43)
Byleth is my favorite fire emblem to play, I enjoy how they can recover easily and has fun combos. When you are losing with them however, it's ouchie
Leo did not go solo byleth at swt 2021, in fact at the time the run was notable because of how much he used aegis. He did win several sets with byleth, but aegis was also a big part of the run
TL;DR -- It's 99% disrespect from "aNiMe SwOrD bOy=BaD" and "bRuH fIrE eMbLeM dLc ChArAcTeR" knuckle-scraping Americans who wish it was Waluigi or Geno. Byleth/Byles are undeniably high tier, but you have to actually be good at the game to play them, so many less experienced players would rather pick a much easier character. The small population of players that are good enough and acknowledge their superiority but don't play them do so because they simply like other characters better, which there's nothing wrong with.
Edit: Holy cow. I wrote this more or less as a joke before watching the video, expecting them to be torn to shreds. I never honestly expected the video would actually be like "they're high tier, you just need to be good", but as an OG Byleth main, I'm happy it was, lol.
shouldve been meg, a real FE queen
Ironically most of the people who are asking for waluigi or geno probably wouldn't even play those characters.
@@gameboyn64 and similarly, most likely haven't even played SMRPG.
The crazy thing is that I went from scoffing at having another Fire Emblem character to having Byleth as my secondary once I played Smash again after a whole year. I loved Three Houses once I finally played and I decided to give her another shot. She has some of the most satisfying moves in the game and the coolest recovery as well. I’ve had a blast playing Byleth and I regret being so hard on his/her reveal.
11:05 This once again reminds me the concept of consistency, in this case in punishes. Looks like Dead Or Alive 6, were the punishes are mainly the throws, yet they lose to strikes: if an attack can delay a second strike after the first, and a player tries to grab the other during this delay, the one who grab loses because of that ming game. Basically, having negative frame data doesn't necessarily mean it's your opponent's turn, if you can condition them to stay on the defensive.
Byleth got an episode of why no one plays and im happy to see it, because i just needed to hear validation for my struggles
Byleth is super fun to play. Sad to see no one play them.
As a byleth main, it is possible to make him work. And there are dozens of bad match ups that he can win by using cheese. It just mainly requires a good idea of what other mains will do which is something that Leo can do considering his experience.
I disagree, byleth plays like a heavyweight with basically none of the good attributes of them
@@mrhalfsaid1389 I'm pretty sure hitting hard is a benefit.
@@user-be3qc7re9o he can also recover for free which is more than most HWs could ask for
I wonder why.
Am I the only one who remembers sakurai calling byleth the distance demon
I main Byleth, mainly because I love landing the axe moves, (down b, down smash, and down air), but landing the up special spike is awesome!
I'm.. not sure if the title "Why NO ONE Plays" is accurate, if the BEST PLAYER plays that character but, still excited to see what's up
This was very helpful since Byleth is my secondary. However I’m curious what you think of another Fire Emblem character. Whether they end up in the why everyone or no one plays I’d love to see your thoughts on Corrin. Either way I can’t wait to see who you talk about next.
4:35 he froze 😂 my guy hasnt moved in 40 minutes
Ive seen plenty of Byleths, Incineroars and Ganons when I play in online lobbies, which means that since we mostly play to have fun, we arent affraid to go yolo on matches, people that go to tournaments are more focused on winning and thus tend to pick less risky characters.
Imagine being called a distance demon and the next fighter has better range than you
Was not excited to see byleth as a dlc character but after playing them I quickly found them incredible fun. Now I main them. My preferred play style is reaction and punish so they just work really well for me
As a Byleth main since day one I thank you for this video. I never really knew how to put into words why Byleth’s range doesn’t make up his weaknesses.
I know this series refers more to the competitive scene, but it feels funny to see this pop up after sparring with a Byleth yesterday.
I clicked on this at light speed
Byleth can out punish the characters that I play, and I always feel "oh god there's a byleth". I have respect for the people who do main Byleth, He's fun to play from time to time, but not for me.
Also Vars can you please do a why nobody plays Terry? Cuz that is my primary main
Terry is the 2nd most used FGC character after Kazuya.
@@user-be3qc7re9o Do you see anyone other than Riddles use him? (I know he's everywhere online)
@@dolphee Aegis, AndresFN, Vendetta, Darkstalker, and Tsu just to name a few.
Even Jahzzo uses Terry from time to time.
@@user-be3qc7re9o aight I admit defeat
Honestly i love playing byleth because i also love incin's play style. They play so similar so it's practical to play both depending if i need disjoints or extra kill power
Even if they're not popular, I still plan on being a Byleth main.
Byleth is one of those characters where your spacing has to always be on point the fact that he is slow made people don’t want to play him as much but as a byleth player myself I can definitely tell you that you need to put in a lot of time in order to master that character and there are many different playstyles you can use with byleth which makes him fun to play for me leo during his time with the character he proved everyone wrong by winning all those majors and made the character still relevant the fact that he is high tier now makes me want to level up my byleth even more
As you can see, I am a Byleth fan. I don't main him in Smash, but I love watching the few Byleth mains make some noise. He is a viable character, as proven by Sparg0 and MKLeo. However, not many people give him a shot because of "too many swordies" even though he's super unique. If there was a show about SSBU, Byleth would be depressed from the hate
(Spoiler alert: he did become depressed in his game).
Huh? Maybe not at a top level, but Byleth is by far one of the most popular characters in my scene and online
Despite all the criticism, Byleth is one of the better Fire Emblem protagonists simply because his moveset represents FE gameplay elements so well. If they downscale the next Smash, he's one of the ones that I hope makes the cut.
Forgot robin being a sword mage.
Byleth got me into FE so for that alone, i love byleth. But they are also a very unique fighter, maybe not competitively but idc
I find it amusing that you directly compared Byleth to Sephiroth and Incineroar in how they end up having overlapping game plans. Those three characters happen to be my favorite 3 and it was always difficult to figure out why due to their drastically different designs.
For me, Byleth is easily the coolest character in the game, and that’s not just because of MKLeo piloting him. I just wish he was a little heavier.
TBH...i could care less about the game hes from but that recovery is my favorite in the entire game, the fact that you can snatch that ass and drag someone into the shadow realm is so freaking satisfying that i just cant help but love the character for pro and casual play.
I main Byleth and while I know Byleth has weaknesses, I've always just felt like it's just been mee being garbage at the game that's the problem 😭
Probably still the problem tbh
Please do a duck hunt episode!!! I love your videos and format
You are right, a fire emblem game released during smash's lifetime, so that game's inclusion was not a surprise. But just because something was expected doesn't mean it can't be upsetting. For many, smash ultimate's roster was a further celebration of videogame history then even Sm4sh, including more characters from outside of nintendo's sphere like the Belmonts, DQ Hero, Banjo & Kazooie, and Terry Bogard, so for dlc characters like Min Min and Byleth, who seem solely inspired by nintendo higher-ups to promote other nintendo games? No, i am not surprised, but i am upset
You need to make a video on why no one plays causal smash any more can only find 1v1s arenas no one wants to play 4 player smash with items
Down special is by far their worst attack, but still has a use
Since they're very good at breaking shields, having a move that kills at 20% is usefull
6:27 Exactly right. Byleth has one of the worst burst ranges in the entire game. Other slow characters like Ganon and Incineroar have things like command grabs to mix up pressure but Byleth only has their range. Playing defensive makes it a lot harder for Byleth to get anything done because they are so poor at closing the gap.
Leo’s byleth reminds me a bit like hboxs puff in melee. Hbox said it himself that if you play perfect than he can’t beat you which is similar to byleth. It’s also similar is that there are like no other puffs/byleths in the top of their respective games.
Byleth has been my main for so long and he’s still so fun to play
But i just kinda started playing smash as a whole a lot less and decided to try more casual characters now
But he’ll always be my favourite character
Honestly I would love to see a why no one plays for duck hunt!
Because Byleth is mid and MKLeo is so godlike he still dominates with mids. As he has shown with other mids he put enough time into.
Dlc emblem is my favorite character he is my third most used just behind luigi he is damn fun to random nair and uptilts up air upb random combos i love all his moveset honestly, Byleth esta bien perro :v
Byleth is overhyped tier list wise because of Leo
Regardless of what you may think, Leo proved that Byleth is DEFINITELY NOT Low Tier.
Listen I main that bihh 😂 Also while everybody was hating on them, I was actually loving the moveset and everything, then MkLeo started to use them as well and suddenly the hatred went away 😶
I know a lot who play byleth but main someone else, The video should be called "why no one mains byleth"
As a puff and byleth duo main, I live for this character archetype.
Short answer: fire emblem
Long answer: Lucina Marth Ike Corrin Chrom Roy Robin
i gotta say (byleth main ever since his trailer that upB sealed the deal for me!) Nair is not -9 because of the ground hit box. it's like -5 or less sometimes
and i would like to note about his disadvantage state being quite harsh... he finds it very very hard to get back to center stage (off-stage he has an amazing recovery honestly) and unless you double jump his upB oos will bring him to disadvantage! and the fact that u lose your double jump to pressure afterwards or to land before your opponent can pressure you is very annoying for me!
i lose my double jump after all one bad interaction and i could be off-stage without it!
In my scene there’s at least 3 Byleths running around.
I love Byleth more than any other character honestly.
I feel like Byleth is a character that requires the good reads to be able to do anything unlike a lot of other characters, but I do think that Byleth is a character who can capitalize on good reads more than most characters. The right read at the right time can destroy a stock at very low%. That's why i find him very satisfying to play.
Byleth love ❤
I feel some of the points in this video for sure. I just got back from LTC as a Byleth main im getting farmed and losing faith in my character but i love the hard read gameplay so im gonna try to get better as nuetral and working around Byleth's flaws
Man, the only thing that could have harmed this character any more was if he was announced at the beginning of a pandemic.
*checks announcement date*
Oop-
I didn't know MKLeo changed his gamer tag to NO ONE
I don't really play in the competitive scene anymore, but I do play with friends a ton and all of them underestimate the fundamentals of the game so their positioning, use of tilts, shield, grab are not as developed as someone who played competitively so I choose Byleth as my main because he's cool as hell visually, his weapon master gimmick appeals to me in a fantasy fighting game, and I help my friends by teaching them how the game works. After every stock exchange I explain what I did and how I did it. No other character feels like mine in the game....except maybe Pirhana Plant. I love trolling parties with Plant's cheese.
I understand that every Fire Emblem game has a different cast, and Nintendo wants to advertise the games... But I really don't get why there are so many Fire Emblem characters in this game. Its not even that popular of a franchise as far as I know.
Fire Emblem is THE SRPG in the world.
I pity the fool who bought the fighters pack and got this “surprise” at the end of it.
Never pre order dlc characters without knowing who they are.
Byleth is used a ton though at least on my area. My last tournament run was Byleth, another Byleth, Cloud, Byleth and then Pac-Man.
Never thought I’d be happy to see Pac-Man lol
In other words I think a lot of people picked Byleth up but just didn’t get good result.
Because Fire Emblem
If I didn't play Three Houses in the first place, I would'ce honestly hated him/her, but because I played the game and beat all of tje routes, I was happy for him/her to be in the game.
It was fun seeing him/her wielding Edelgard, Dimitri and Claude's weapon at the same time.
I never really hated byleth but God damnit was I disappointed when I heard it was just another fire emblem character.
And twitter folks began acting like if this was such a nice surprise, to hide their disappointment. It’s like folks don’t wanna complain about a product they paid for.
@@jadthecat387 Japan really likes RPG characters, and since Nintendo is a Japanese company. It makes sense to cater to them a lot.
Actually the moment I played Byleth for the first time I was essentially like "Oh wait this character is funny, this is my main" and I've mained them ever since
Honestly just give Byleth's bow 3 charges instead of 2. A faster but weaker shot before the 2 strong ones would give Byleth so much more safety at range and encourage opponents to approach more often.
I hate mk Leo because I mained blyeth day one but people keep thinking I play them because of mk Leo I just like the character
I feel this. Like damn I just like Three houses 😢
Same, while I do enjoy watching Leo, I didn't pick up Byle because of him. I just loved Byleth's moveset and having played some of 3 Houses before I picked them up.
My favorite characters to play in Ultimate are Bayonetta and Jigglypuff as I kind of understand how to play the characters pretty well. Byleth is one character that I've been using a lot lately in friendlies and Im surprised no one in my local scene plays the character. Part of me wants to use Byleth as a secondary for matchups I can't do well with for Bayonetta
Byleth's margin for error is much higher than most heavy weights because their recovery is one of the best in the game. That in turn also makes their edgegaurding ability better than other characters in the cast.
This is funny because in my region the 2 most common characters are Cloud and BYLETH
As a Fire Emblem fan I love how salty the Smash community got, I don't even like 3H that much but causing such turmoil simply by enjoying a character is enough for me
Feels like these kinda videos come down to the respective character not having good frame data
I hate how Byleth was introduced to Smash! I really enjoyed Fire Emblem Three Houses, but they did not do the game justice with it’s low effort inclusion. The stage literally feels like they re-textured walkoffs with the stage transforming between them. Yes, there are slight differences, but nothing worth writing home about. And it just doesn’t look right for Smash anyway. And the move set. My goodness. Byleth has about 6 moves that actually work for him. Almost every other move has him wielding OTHER CHARACTERS’ signature weapons. I might have considered Byleth if they actually tried to make his inclusion good
I see no problem with byleth wielding failnaught, areadbhar, and amyr in some of their moves. it's something that they can canonically do in fire emblem three houses and it adds to the unique playstyle of this character
@@siriuslywastaken It just feels like laziness to me though, but that’s my opinion
i think it would've been cool to see divine pulse added to the game, also to design him around the enlightened one class which was his unique class from the game and use more magic/sothis powers, at the same time i didn't have a problem with him using the other weapons because there's already a lot of swordfighters
@@Barsee23 Again, my take is just my opinion. I do think I would have liked it if they focused on Enlightened One a bit more
Personally, I'm fine with him using the Lords' Heroes Relics since it makes him more than just "another Fire Emblem character"/"anime sword boy". Sure, they could've made his specials spells (since Enlightened One uses magic), but that would've made him too similar to Robin and wouldn't have been, let's say, the best representation of him and 3H. On his own Byleth is a (whip-)swordy with magic, which would feel unoriginal and bland, and the ideal representation of 3H would've been to have each house leader be their own fighter, which couldn't be done; so I think using the SotC's sword and whip modes for some moves and spicing up the rest with the unique weapons of the game's main characters was the best available option (plus, it allowed for him to have anything other than a counter as a down B).
As far as Garreg Mach goes though, I like playing on the stage since it isn't annoying, but I agree they could've made something much better than swapping between 4 almost entirely flat stages set somewhere you don't even fight at in the game.
You should do the next one on Corrin, then follow that with a Marth episode so that you’ll have discussed too many Fire Emblem characters.
Could you make one of these on falco? I think he is very underrated and has huge potential
PS: I forgot to ask. Now that you did the "Why no one plays Zero Suit Samus" i find very fitting to do a *"Why everyone plays Samus"* because she's incredibly popular in tournaments, top 10 in fact, despite being only a high tier. There it has to be something on her design to make her attractive to players now that is not present in other games because, again, ONLY IN ULTIMATE is this popular of a pick, while other Zoners bar Min-Min aren't, but Why?
I'm kinda glad byleth isn't a common character as I hate the match-ups with my main