Both the "conflicting sources" for Mewtwos origin aren't even conflicting. Mew could just have easily been the surrogate for the scientists genetic experiments resulting in Mewtwo
Not to mention, it's implied he's saying "mew gave birth" as in "The DNA of Mew has been modified into a genetically similar duplicate." and what is a child if not a genetically similar copy of the parents grown in a small enclosed space? Basically they're saying "Mew's a parent because we made them a son!" That's how I interprete it, anyway.
7:34 Eh, arguable. Movepools can very based on game & the required balancing. & while it is noted to dislike fighting, it's also noted in multiple Pokedex entries to forage for small bugs. 18:05 In Pokemon Sun, Abra was noted as eating berriesj. "It sleeps 18 hours a day. Even while sleeping, it will teleport itself to treetops and pick and eat berries there." 25:48 Gender Unknown. The Japanese Kanji for the term, as seen in Generation 2 & in other games is closer to "Unknown, indeterminate", etc. Perhaps Mewtwo is indeed neither, but the official term is more accurately Gender Unknown. Anyway, neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
It's definitely a possibility and something I thought about, but at the end of the day I believe the fact that most other Pokémon that learn moonlight do not at all seem like autotrophs suggests that moonlight doesn't serve such a purpose.
Using IRL physics rather than magic fantasy physics that would take about 30-300 years (there's a lot of disparity between plant efficiency) to equal 1 day, ~3-30 years if the nocturnal autotroph is 100% efficient to equal 1 day of a normal autotroph's energy gain. I just think that's kinda funny conceptually with how useless a nocturnal autotroph would be.
I meant more along the lines of -auto trophy during the day to absorb sunlight while hidden as a plant, then being active during a nocturnal cycle to make sure they have a good spot for photosynthesis during the next day. When many grass types can create vegetation, it seems prudent to be finding a good spot often instead of locked to one spot every day. Maybe using the move moonlight to focus their photosynthesis to keep active for a small time while not actively gaining more energy.
The Onix losing to Pikachu from the anime actually works perfectly in the game. As long as you assume that the sprinklers applied "Soak" to Onix, changing it's type to water type and making it weak to lightning type attacks.
Also, speed doesn't have to equate to movement, it could be reaction time. Regielecti is the fastest pokemon has very slow movement. Victoribell could use its higher speed to quickly restrain their prey
This series is great, looking forward to more. Anyways, my best guess for why on earth Cerulean Cave is the way it is may be because Mewtwo created the ecosystem itself. Because of its stats, it can basically do whatever the fuck it wants, and as such, probably wanted to do, as the kids call it, a little bit of trolling. It would also explain why Wigglytuff and Raichu exist here, because Mewtwo probably altered the properties of the cave insofar that it would force evolution in Jigglypuff and Pikachu.
Re: Victreebel’s speed- I’ve heard other people speculate that pokemon’s speed stat not only referring to movement, but also reflexes. I could see its speed coming from a trigger hair system like in other carnivorous plants
my favorite thing about this series is your development of axioms over time that are internally consistent with the pokemon games themselves. its one thing to apply earth ecology to the pokemon world, but its so much more interesting to derive pokemon ecology from evidence and then draw more conclusions based on your previous ones
I think the presence of Wobbuffet in fire red and leaf green is a interesting addition as it's the only non native kanto pokemon in the cave even in heartgold and soulsilver which is odd as crobat could have easily replaced the golbat even in limited number
I know you said you aren't looking at things from a plot kind of view, but the way I see Cerulean Cave's seemingly random spew of Pokémon is Mewtwo having escaped to the cave and is using it as its hideout, using its psychic powers to attract and possibly control strong Pokémon to come and keep humans away from the cave, and thus away from Mewtwo. The cave being essentially less of an ecosystem and more of an improvised dungeon with guards.
My head canon is that bellsprout and oddish share a niche; but oddish is nocturnal like it is in gen 2, meaning they have little contact. This would also explain moonlight. Maybe bellsprout are more effective at their strategy, forcing oddish to move to hunting at other times and target other pokemon like water types to fill the gap.
Leaf stones look like fossilized plants, so maybe nutrient rich peat might offer the same or similar benefits; so, stone evos like those might be possible in the wild. What it could be is that they evolved to have an inhibitor to their growth to limit competition within the species. Maybe the role Victoribell plays is beneficial to the group but might be harmful if all species members reached that stage.
This is such a cool concept for a series. As someone currently taking classes to get a bachelor's of biology it's really interesting to take these concepts and apply them into fictional worlds. Like what would happen if organisms could evolve these abilities? I'd love to see more of these!
This video showed up at random on YT's main page and I said "wait what?! that sounds so cool!" And then I went straight to your first video. Really interesting series, I'm all for a complete series of these.
Regarding types, I’ve always had a theory that the type can create some of the traits regarding it, and that types are what separate Pokemon from animals. The types are clearly something fundamental, as evidenced by the existence of the Plates. It seems possible that the Pokemon world was once similar to our own, but perhaps Arceus intervened somehow, granting some animals types and so changing them into Pokemon.
Mewtwo is very clearly intelligent, far more so than most other pokemon. It has also been stated on numerous occasions that pokemon enjoy battling, a charicteristic that may be amplified in Mewtwo, considering its role as the "Ultimate Batteler". Finally, Mewtwo can learn teleport in gen 1, which, as you pointed out with Abra, can be used to transport other creatures. My conclusion, therefore, is that Mewtwo may have purposefully moved high level pokemon to Cerulean cave in order to battle and grow stronger.
I think it would be very interesting if Mewtwo did indeed purpousefully move strong pokemon to his cave to collect pokemon for various reasons, almost like it's trying to be a pokemon trainer itself. Kind of fits the theme in a "what has science done" kinda way.
@Devin Usleton that would also make sense for why Chansey can be found near it as they have high exp yields and I imagine if mewtwo is so smart he would know that
chilling hypotesis on why there are so many high level pokemon in cerulean cave, and even stone evolution. They are the released pokemon of trainers killed by Mewtwo, in the attempt of catching it. The pokemon in the cave are all pokemon league worthy...and only champions can access the cave, maybe because a lot of strong trainers, maybe even Elite 4 level, tried to catch it, died, the pokemmon got released, and then they closed the cave, letting only the champion inside. Of course, we don't know if there was a champion before Blue (maybe killed by Mewtwo?), but most likely Lance never entered, and Blue did not have the chance, leaving the player 9red) the duty to subdue the crazed genetic monster.
My hypothesis is that the stones are concentrations of potential energies that would allow Pokémon to evolve their fantastical characteristics. Whatever is creating the basis for charizards to breath fire is probably also causing fire stones to form in particularly hot environments. This can also explain why humans in the Pokémon world are so unique. They could have evolved to be profoundly resistant to these energies, potentially explaining how humans can evolve in a world of Pokémon despite seeming so inherently different.
Gloom seems closer to a detritavore. Situating on the corpse of a pidgey or abra and absorbing nutrients. Spore moves for defense and sweetscent to signal other gloom to a food location
I don’t know if you have already addressed these in previous videos but some Ghost types are indeed actual ghosts, with examples like Yamask. Dragons is weird because Dragons are a much wider group than just type, with as Lance put it “Not all dragons have to be dragon type” so Pokemon like Charizard, Gyarados, Aerodactyl, etc. are dragons in phenotype but not in type
I will discuss such ghosts whenever I get to them, but by current opinion on them is that unless specifically shown in the games (as in not just said in pokedex or by npcs), such descriptions are simply folklore surrounding the Pokémon.
S&V give a bit of insite into the stones with eevee'd pokedex inter which states that the stones radiate energy that interacts with eevee's DNA causing it to evolve this means that the evolutions may cause mutations which could be why the stats increase
Regarding Oddish and other absorb users, I think that even if there was selection for that move's offensive capabilities, it most likely evolved as a secondary function of the already innate ability to absorb water nutrients from the ground. Even without synthesis Oddish still seems like it's primarily an autotroph using the absorb/chlorophyll combo, while the ability to steal energy from other pokemon via absorb seems like a secondary usage of an existing ability for defense and some additional healing, as all of its moves besides sweet scent are probably defensive: oddish heterotrophy evolved less as a direct adaptation and more like Gould and Lewontin's spandrels of San Marco, though sweet scent indicates that it may be a more important food source now than when it first evolved. Bellsprout's line is obviously carnivorous, but it could function like actual pitcher plants and feed on insects etc in order to supplement themselves with nitrogen, phorphorous, and certain amino acids in nutrient poor soil while still using chlorophyll to create all of the carbohydrates it needs.
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I know you don't like looking at other gens, but the berserk gene of gen 2 could determine causation. After 2 years, the remnants of Mewtwo can adversely affect other pokemon giving them strength; so imagine the effects wild pokemon would experience with prolonged contact with mewtwo itself.
I just found this video and im so happy i did, i always wanted to see a series of someone trying to make sense of a Pokemon ecosystem using in-game data and some speculation based on it, defintely subscribing and hope you continue this series Also just a detail about the Pokedex, in the first 8 gens the Pokedex was written by children, so yeah everything there should be taken with a grain of salt
There is a sea slug that uses seaweed to start using photosynthesis to get passive energy but still has to hunt n eat chemically like regular animals. I like to call animals like this Plantimals. In pkmn they got their symbiosis w. Chlorophyll early on n thus use both organic matter for file like berries or meat but also sun bathe to get passive energy like chikorita can.
This is an amazing series. I never would have thought of analyzing Pokémon like this. Additionally, you speak so articulately which adds to the experience.
I love this series so much, I am so excited for the rest of the region to come. Hell, I would watch a Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, and Unova continuation of this. I've been waiting for a series like this for a long time, and I'm glad the TH-cam algorithm has finally seen fit to point me in this direction.
Mewtwo might have used it's powers to bring the Pokemon to the cave either to fight them, attract trainers, or repeal trainers. Mewtwo is supposed hard wired for fighting this is vague and unhelpful because we don't know what it considers opponents or it's goal in fighting is. If it is doing it to fight them then it should be roaming the cave unless it was resting when we find it in game. Attracting trainers doesn't contradict the first idea and would be based on the idea strong trainers want strong Pokemon. Repealing contradicts the other theories and it is using the other Pokemon as a type of super defense.
This was a nice find. A video that combines my lifelong interest in pokemon with my recent interest in (irl) evolution/ecology. Articulated nicely and very fun to follow. Will definitely keep watching.
I would Like to make an argument for cerulean cave to be an illegal Pokémon dumping ground, as there is an unnaturally high diversity, it's nearby a major city and There are Pokémon, like Raichu, that are extremely rare in the wild.
1. I don't really care about the universe's cannon in this series, just what the games seem to suggest 2. If it was retconned, then that doesn't really make a lot of sense. What about humans? That would mean they'd have to be Pokémon to if animals don't exist. What about plants? Are all the trees and grass Pokémon? 3. When I say non-Pokémon animals, I'm mainly saying things that haven't been designated Pokémon. The normal sized insects and other such small creatures that would have to exist to feed the Pokémon population could be "Pokémon", but they aren't catchable or in the pokedex.
i didnt know i needed to see this series until right now. for once W recommended feed. although I wonder how legendary pokemon play into these catagories? for instance zarude and virizion arent really plant like animals or animal like plants, so what are they classified as?
They'd definitely lean more towards animals with plant like properties, but considering the extent of their "Plant-ness" is mainly that they're green and have grass moves, it could be that they're examples of Pokémon which only recently evolved such traits. Alternately, you could view them as gaining control over plants, making more of a "magical power" akin to most psychic and some fire types (Delphox being an example of the latter).
My personal theory for leaf stones (and ice stones) is that they are shaved off portions of the mossy rocks (and icy rocks) found in sinnoh. This would explain why leafeon (and glaceon) evolve with its respective stones from gen 7 onwards, as opposed to their original forms. This would also explain the urban encroachment theory here. As oddish and bellsprout could be there because, prior to cerulean's establishment, there were mossy rocks there that would allow their stone evolutions to happen naturally. But with the rocks mined to extinction in the area - the only way to evolve them now is from the mined (aka manmade) leafstones. Mostly staying in their unevolved states except for the rare leafstone that "grows" somewhere nearby. This would make a thunder, fire, water, dawn, dusk, sun, moon, and shiny "rock" a thing too, but we have no evidence for that.
I've always been fascinated with the relationship between Pokemon battling and evolution, particularly the tendency for higher evolved forms to look more intimidating, regardless of ecological niche or personal preference for fighting. Along those lines, I think Cerulean Cave may be an example of just how strongly Pokemon training can pervert the "natural" or expected ecosystem. It may be that the Pokemon that live there are simply abandoned Pokemon that have developed a strong desire for battle as a result of Pokemon training, and they head there because there is simply nowhere else in the wild of Kanto that offers that kind of bloodsport. This is dipping more into general narrative than ecology, but worth noting is that both RBY and GSC end with the same "King of Nothing" esque final challenge, with both games having you face down a silent, abnormally powerful opponent at the very end of a cave. In Mewtwo's case it is heavily implied that it was brought to life as a result of humans desiring an extremely powerful Pokemon, whereas Red beat the toughest test of wilderness survival and competitive spirit that Kanto would likely ever concieve while he was just a kid. In both cases they seem to be anomalies of force, which you'd think would net them great reward, and yet they're just sitting around in a survivalist's nightmare. The authorial implications of this are really bizarre for a series that is essentially a big merchandising front. The least discrepant interpretation is that it's saying too much power can leave you very bored, which is kind of surreal for a game series that displays relative power with a number that is visible at all times and promises great reward for making the number larger.
Cerulean cave could have many implications, I'll discuss a few potential reasons the mons there are all so powerful: 1. They are all powerful clones, like Mewtwo. Thus, they live in harmony with each other away from their human creators. (The Pokemon Movie Conjecture) 2. Mewtwo sates its lust for battle by fighting these other pokemon, and deliberately lets them live, either to retain strong challenges or for some other reason. (The Warrior Conjecture) 3. Pokemon tend to be more powerful in regions untouched by human civilization; ergo the presence of humans causes Pokemon to be more docile than normal. Weak Pokemon can thrive off of the benefits of human proximity such as food, Pokemon Centers, and Strong Pokemon might endanger humans, which would cause them to be eliminated by strong trainers (The Legends Arceus Conjecture, named due to Pokemon generally being more dangerous in that game where human civilization is much weaker) 4. Cerulean cave has some sort of attribute which draws in strong, rare Pokemon, some resource exists that Pokemon crave, yet only the strongest can survive the area of such high demand (The Crucible conjecture)
Please do more! I am doing a similar project with a different baseline but similar lines of thought. - I am not considering a specific area - I take types as a physical building block and symmetric element of the world - I look a lot at different kinds of evolution lines, different levels of supposed awareness based on the designs and on egggroups - I changed predation with a need for experience from fights since it is more in line with the child friendly anime motive but keeps the same dependencies. - my goal is a simulation (or game) where individuals, teams and groups of pokemon "live" with plants and biomes based on type-synergies and to observe the emerging patterns.
Venonat and venomoth are oddly relatively rare outside of kanto and johto you can only find them in the post game using the Poké radar and the grand underground in sinnoh, in the dream yard and hidden grottos in unova, friend safari in kalos, mirage Islands in hoenn Edit: apparently they are in Paldea
I think people arrived at Types for categorization through what is important to survival: resistances, aka what can you take without being damaged, and weaknesses, what is damaging to you. The people of the Pokemon world didn't categorize Bug in the same way humans did biologically. Why categorize Krabby as a Bug type if it would take more damage from Electric and Grass type attacks unlike all the other bug types? And Spinarak would count as a Bug type because even if it's biologically different, it still takes more damage from Fire and Rock attacks.
I always thought the gloom line was ambushers bc they r plants they get most of their energy from sunlight n since they use a lot of powder moves they wait for their prey to get close or by accident n then they hit them with a status move n slowly they absorb their preys life force. Weepingbell on the other hand learns wrap n vine whip (in anime) to get a hold of their prey when hunting n then eat them whole like a snake or pitcher plant also that’s y they don’t have teeth. Lol
You forgot to mention the picture of mewtwo in bills old mansion door. Was the door built b4 mewtwo was created or was it after? Also then was mewtwo more prevalent b4?
Love this series and this video but very confused as to why you think Mewtwo wasn't genetically "born" from Mew's DNA. This isn't even something from the anime/movie, it's all spelled out in the game its self and 100% in game canon within red/blue and fr/lg. Mewtwo just chose to hide deep in the cave to stay away from humans. But, I digress.
I've already discussed egg groups in my video on Pokémon reproduction. The short of it is that I don't think egg groups show phylogenetic relatedness, instead showing physical and behavioral capacity for reproduction. This explains why flying includes both birds and bats or water 1 containing fish and aquatic mammals. However, I probably should have acknowledged egg groups, at least in passing.
Both the "conflicting sources" for Mewtwos origin aren't even conflicting. Mew could just have easily been the surrogate for the scientists genetic experiments resulting in Mewtwo
Yep
Not to mention, it's implied he's saying "mew gave birth" as in "The DNA of Mew has been modified into a genetically similar duplicate." and what is a child if not a genetically similar copy of the parents grown in a small enclosed space? Basically they're saying "Mew's a parent because we made them a son!" That's how I interprete it, anyway.
@@theinsanegamer1024 right
7:34 Eh, arguable. Movepools can very based on game & the required balancing. & while it is noted to dislike fighting, it's also noted in multiple Pokedex entries to forage for small bugs.
18:05 In Pokemon Sun, Abra was noted as eating berriesj. "It sleeps 18 hours a day. Even while sleeping, it will teleport itself to treetops and pick and eat berries there."
25:48 Gender Unknown. The Japanese Kanji for the term, as seen in Generation 2 & in other games is closer to "Unknown, indeterminate", etc. Perhaps Mewtwo is indeed neither, but the official term is more accurately Gender Unknown.
Anyway, neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
"Ghost types are not dead people or pokemon"
yamask and phantump: laughs nervously
Seeing as Oddish hide underground during the day and walk around at night, and learn moonlight I think they could be an adapted nocturnal autotroph.
It's definitely a possibility and something I thought about, but at the end of the day I believe the fact that most other Pokémon that learn moonlight do not at all seem like autotrophs suggests that moonlight doesn't serve such a purpose.
Using IRL physics rather than magic fantasy physics that would take about 30-300 years (there's a lot of disparity between plant efficiency) to equal 1 day, ~3-30 years if the nocturnal autotroph is 100% efficient to equal 1 day of a normal autotroph's energy gain.
I just think that's kinda funny conceptually with how useless a nocturnal autotroph would be.
I meant more along the lines of -auto trophy during the day to absorb sunlight while hidden as a plant, then being active during a nocturnal cycle to make sure they have a good spot for photosynthesis during the next day. When many grass types can create vegetation, it seems prudent to be finding a good spot often instead of locked to one spot every day. Maybe using the move moonlight to focus their photosynthesis to keep active for a small time while not actively gaining more energy.
The Onix losing to Pikachu from the anime actually works perfectly in the game. As long as you assume that the sprinklers applied "Soak" to Onix, changing it's type to water type and making it weak to lightning type attacks.
Also, speed doesn't have to equate to movement, it could be reaction time. Regielecti is the fastest pokemon has very slow movement. Victoribell could use its higher speed to quickly restrain their prey
This series is great, looking forward to more.
Anyways, my best guess for why on earth Cerulean Cave is the way it is may be because Mewtwo created the ecosystem itself. Because of its stats, it can basically do whatever the fuck it wants, and as such, probably wanted to do, as the kids call it, a little bit of trolling. It would also explain why Wigglytuff and Raichu exist here, because Mewtwo probably altered the properties of the cave insofar that it would force evolution in Jigglypuff and Pikachu.
Psychic powers could also explain how it accomplished this
Re: Victreebel’s speed- I’ve heard other people speculate that pokemon’s speed stat not only referring to movement, but also reflexes. I could see its speed coming from a trigger hair system like in other carnivorous plants
The Pidgey family are know to actively hunt at least one Pokémon species in more than one canon, being Magikarp.
my favorite thing about this series is your development of axioms over time that are internally consistent with the pokemon games themselves. its one thing to apply earth ecology to the pokemon world, but its so much more interesting to derive pokemon ecology from evidence and then draw more conclusions based on your previous ones
I think the presence of Wobbuffet in fire red and leaf green is a interesting addition as it's the only non native kanto pokemon in the cave even in heartgold and soulsilver which is odd as crobat could have easily replaced the golbat even in limited number
I know you said you aren't looking at things from a plot kind of view, but the way I see Cerulean Cave's seemingly random spew of Pokémon is Mewtwo having escaped to the cave and is using it as its hideout, using its psychic powers to attract and possibly control strong Pokémon to come and keep humans away from the cave, and thus away from Mewtwo. The cave being essentially less of an ecosystem and more of an improvised dungeon with guards.
Poison was once super effective on bug; so bellsprout eating bugs makes sense
My head canon is that bellsprout and oddish share a niche; but oddish is nocturnal like it is in gen 2, meaning they have little contact. This would also explain moonlight. Maybe bellsprout are more effective at their strategy, forcing oddish to move to hunting at other times and target other pokemon like water types to fill the gap.
Leaf stones look like fossilized plants, so maybe nutrient rich peat might offer the same or similar benefits; so, stone evos like those might be possible in the wild. What it could be is that they evolved to have an inhibitor to their growth to limit competition within the species. Maybe the role Victoribell plays is beneficial to the group but might be harmful if all species members reached that stage.
This is such a cool concept for a series. As someone currently taking classes to get a bachelor's of biology it's really interesting to take these concepts and apply them into fictional worlds. Like what would happen if organisms could evolve these abilities? I'd love to see more of these!
This video showed up at random on YT's main page and I said "wait what?! that sounds so cool!" And then I went straight to your first video. Really interesting series, I'm all for a complete series of these.
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Regarding types, I’ve always had a theory that the type can create some of the traits regarding it, and that types are what separate Pokemon from animals.
The types are clearly something fundamental, as evidenced by the existence of the Plates. It seems possible that the Pokemon world was once similar to our own, but perhaps Arceus intervened somehow, granting some animals types and so changing them into Pokemon.
Mewtwo is very clearly intelligent, far more so than most other pokemon. It has also been stated on numerous occasions that pokemon enjoy battling, a charicteristic that may be amplified in Mewtwo, considering its role as the "Ultimate Batteler". Finally, Mewtwo can learn teleport in gen 1, which, as you pointed out with Abra, can be used to transport other creatures. My conclusion, therefore, is that Mewtwo may have purposefully moved high level pokemon to Cerulean cave in order to battle and grow stronger.
I think it would be very interesting if Mewtwo did indeed purpousefully move strong pokemon to his cave to collect pokemon for various reasons, almost like it's trying to be a pokemon trainer itself. Kind of fits the theme in a "what has science done" kinda way.
@Devin Usleton that would also make sense for why Chansey can be found near it as they have high exp yields and I imagine if mewtwo is so smart he would know that
@@alexskocy9948 well if anyone was privy to the game's mechanics...
chilling hypotesis on why there are so many high level pokemon in cerulean cave, and even stone evolution.
They are the released pokemon of trainers killed by Mewtwo, in the attempt of catching it.
The pokemon in the cave are all pokemon league worthy...and only champions can access the cave, maybe because a lot of strong trainers, maybe even Elite 4 level, tried to catch it, died, the pokemmon got released, and then they closed the cave, letting only the champion inside.
Of course, we don't know if there was a champion before Blue (maybe killed by Mewtwo?), but most likely Lance never entered, and Blue did not have the chance, leaving the player 9red) the duty to subdue the crazed genetic monster.
I see what you did with the nicknames in the Mewtwo battle…!
My hypothesis is that the stones are concentrations of potential energies that would allow Pokémon to evolve their fantastical characteristics. Whatever is creating the basis for charizards to breath fire is probably also causing fire stones to form in particularly hot environments. This can also explain why humans in the Pokémon world are so unique. They could have evolved to be profoundly resistant to these energies, potentially explaining how humans can evolve in a world of Pokémon despite seeming so inherently different.
I feel that the existence of mega evolution, primal forms, gigantimax, terastilization, and paradox forms also supports this hypothesis
Gloom seems closer to a detritavore. Situating on the corpse of a pidgey or abra and absorbing nutrients. Spore moves for defense and sweetscent to signal other gloom to a food location
I don’t know if you have already addressed these in previous videos but some Ghost types are indeed actual ghosts, with examples like Yamask. Dragons is weird because Dragons are a much wider group than just type, with as Lance put it “Not all dragons have to be dragon type” so Pokemon like Charizard, Gyarados, Aerodactyl, etc. are dragons in phenotype but not in type
I will discuss such ghosts whenever I get to them, but by current opinion on them is that unless specifically shown in the games (as in not just said in pokedex or by npcs), such descriptions are simply folklore surrounding the Pokémon.
S&V give a bit of insite into the stones with eevee'd pokedex inter which states that the stones radiate energy that interacts with eevee's DNA causing it to evolve this means that the evolutions may cause mutations which could be why the stats increase
Regarding Oddish and other absorb users, I think that even if there was selection for that move's offensive capabilities, it most likely evolved as a secondary function of the already innate ability to absorb water nutrients from the ground. Even without synthesis Oddish still seems like it's primarily an autotroph using the absorb/chlorophyll combo, while the ability to steal energy from other pokemon via absorb seems like a secondary usage of an existing ability for defense and some additional healing, as all of its moves besides sweet scent are probably defensive: oddish heterotrophy evolved less as a direct adaptation and more like Gould and Lewontin's spandrels of San Marco, though sweet scent indicates that it may be a more important food source now than when it first evolved.
Bellsprout's line is obviously carnivorous, but it could function like actual pitcher plants and feed on insects etc in order to supplement themselves with nitrogen, phorphorous, and certain amino acids in nutrient poor soil while still using chlorophyll to create all of the carbohydrates it needs.
Wow, I've dreamt of content like this for years, and I'm so happy to have found this series. I really hope you keep this up
I really liked the vileplume idea!
I rarely if ever comment, but luckily youtube recommend me your gem of a channel today. This whole series has been really interesting and unique. You deserve to blow up, have a like, a comment and a follow!
I never knew I needed scientific names for all pokemon and forms until this video, so thanks and keep up the great content.
I know you don't like looking at other gens, but the berserk gene of gen 2 could determine causation. After 2 years, the remnants of Mewtwo can adversely affect other pokemon giving them strength; so imagine the effects wild pokemon would experience with prolonged contact with mewtwo itself.
Sorry if my comments are a lot or are disjointed. I think about this a lot and get excited whenever you post a new vid
I just found this video and im so happy i did, i always wanted to see a series of someone trying to make sense of a Pokemon ecosystem using in-game data and some speculation based on it, defintely subscribing and hope you continue this series
Also just a detail about the Pokedex, in the first 8 gens the Pokedex was written by children, so yeah everything there should be taken with a grain of salt
There is a sea slug that uses seaweed to start using photosynthesis to get passive energy but still has to hunt n eat chemically like regular animals.
I like to call animals like this Plantimals.
In pkmn they got their symbiosis w. Chlorophyll early on n thus use both organic matter for file like berries or meat but also sun bathe to get passive energy like chikorita can.
Ooh I love this concept! Def gonna watch the next ones! Also love the Fire Emblem names!
This is an amazing series. I never would have thought of analyzing Pokémon like this. Additionally, you speak so articulately which adds to the experience.
I love this series so much, I am so excited for the rest of the region to come. Hell, I would watch a Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, and Unova continuation of this. I've been waiting for a series like this for a long time, and I'm glad the TH-cam algorithm has finally seen fit to point me in this direction.
Mewtwo might have used it's powers to bring the Pokemon to the cave either to fight them, attract trainers, or repeal trainers. Mewtwo is supposed hard wired for fighting this is vague and unhelpful because we don't know what it considers opponents or it's goal in fighting is. If it is doing it to fight them then it should be roaming the cave unless it was resting when we find it in game. Attracting trainers doesn't contradict the first idea and would be based on the idea strong trainers want strong Pokemon. Repealing contradicts the other theories and it is using the other Pokemon as a type of super defense.
This was a nice find. A video that combines my lifelong interest in pokemon with my recent interest in (irl) evolution/ecology. Articulated nicely and very fun to follow. Will definitely keep watching.
I would Like to make an argument for cerulean cave to be an illegal Pokémon dumping ground, as there is an unnaturally high diversity, it's nearby a major city and There are Pokémon, like Raichu, that are extremely rare in the wild.
The most interesting thing I've watched all week and also the funniest outro I've ever heard on a TH-cam video
Not sure how this video hit my recommended, but it was right in my niche. You’ve earned a sub.
Stopped playing Scarlet for this
This is absolutely fascinating and I can tell a lot of thought went into this. Keep up the great work!
Hasn't the idea of non-pokemon animals been long since retconned?
1. I don't really care about the universe's cannon in this series, just what the games seem to suggest
2. If it was retconned, then that doesn't really make a lot of sense. What about humans? That would mean they'd have to be Pokémon to if animals don't exist. What about plants? Are all the trees and grass Pokémon?
3. When I say non-Pokémon animals, I'm mainly saying things that haven't been designated Pokémon. The normal sized insects and other such small creatures that would have to exist to feed the Pokémon population could be "Pokémon", but they aren't catchable or in the pokedex.
i didnt know i needed to see this series until right now. for once W recommended feed.
although I wonder how legendary pokemon play into these catagories? for instance zarude and virizion arent really plant like animals or animal like plants, so what are they classified as?
They'd definitely lean more towards animals with plant like properties, but considering the extent of their "Plant-ness" is mainly that they're green and have grass moves, it could be that they're examples of Pokémon which only recently evolved such traits. Alternately, you could view them as gaining control over plants, making more of a "magical power" akin to most psychic and some fire types (Delphox being an example of the latter).
My personal theory for leaf stones (and ice stones) is that they are shaved off portions of the mossy rocks (and icy rocks) found in sinnoh.
This would explain why leafeon (and glaceon) evolve with its respective stones from gen 7 onwards, as opposed to their original forms.
This would also explain the urban encroachment theory here. As oddish and bellsprout could be there because, prior to cerulean's establishment, there were mossy rocks there that would allow their stone evolutions to happen naturally. But with the rocks mined to extinction in the area - the only way to evolve them now is from the mined (aka manmade) leafstones. Mostly staying in their unevolved states except for the rare leafstone that "grows" somewhere nearby.
This would make a thunder, fire, water, dawn, dusk, sun, moon, and shiny "rock" a thing too, but we have no evidence for that.
I've always been fascinated with the relationship between Pokemon battling and evolution, particularly the tendency for higher evolved forms to look more intimidating, regardless of ecological niche or personal preference for fighting.
Along those lines, I think Cerulean Cave may be an example of just how strongly Pokemon training can pervert the "natural" or expected ecosystem. It may be that the Pokemon that live there are simply abandoned Pokemon that have developed a strong desire for battle as a result of Pokemon training, and they head there because there is simply nowhere else in the wild of Kanto that offers that kind of bloodsport.
This is dipping more into general narrative than ecology, but worth noting is that both RBY and GSC end with the same "King of Nothing" esque final challenge, with both games having you face down a silent, abnormally powerful opponent at the very end of a cave. In Mewtwo's case it is heavily implied that it was brought to life as a result of humans desiring an extremely powerful Pokemon, whereas Red beat the toughest test of wilderness survival and competitive spirit that Kanto would likely ever concieve while he was just a kid. In both cases they seem to be anomalies of force, which you'd think would net them great reward, and yet they're just sitting around in a survivalist's nightmare. The authorial implications of this are really bizarre for a series that is essentially a big merchandising front. The least discrepant interpretation is that it's saying too much power can leave you very bored, which is kind of surreal for a game series that displays relative power with a number that is visible at all times and promises great reward for making the number larger.
This was very interesting and informed. Good stuff, RCwyatt.
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God, you don´t know how much i love this series, i will follow it until you do all of gen1 games and ALL of the rest.
Amazing series so far, I can see this channel having alot of growth in future, keep up the good work 👊
Interesting video as always! Really enjoyed the types analysis at the beginning too.
Also nice SiivaGunner remix at the end lol
I just found these videos today and i gotta say im loving it, looking forward to more
This concept is so great keep up the good work
Cerulean cave could have many implications, I'll discuss a few potential reasons the mons there are all so powerful:
1. They are all powerful clones, like Mewtwo. Thus, they live in harmony with each other away from their human creators. (The Pokemon Movie Conjecture)
2. Mewtwo sates its lust for battle by fighting these other pokemon, and deliberately lets them live, either to retain strong challenges or for some other reason. (The Warrior Conjecture)
3. Pokemon tend to be more powerful in regions untouched by human civilization; ergo the presence of humans causes Pokemon to be more docile than normal. Weak Pokemon can thrive off of the benefits of human proximity such as food, Pokemon Centers, and Strong Pokemon might endanger humans, which would cause them to be eliminated by strong trainers (The Legends Arceus Conjecture, named due to Pokemon generally being more dangerous in that game where human civilization is much weaker)
4. Cerulean cave has some sort of attribute which draws in strong, rare Pokemon, some resource exists that Pokemon crave, yet only the strongest can survive the area of such high demand (The Crucible conjecture)
I'm only 6 minutes into this & I LOVE this! Please do more! Thanks so much for uploading! Might comment more later!
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Great series, I look forward to the next one.
Please do more! I am doing a similar project with a different baseline but similar lines of thought.
- I am not considering a specific area
- I take types as a physical building block and symmetric element of the world
- I look a lot at different kinds of evolution lines, different levels of supposed awareness based on the designs and on egggroups
- I changed predation with a need for experience from fights since it is more in line with the child friendly anime motive but keeps the same dependencies.
- my goal is a simulation (or game) where individuals, teams and groups of pokemon "live" with plants and biomes based on type-synergies and to observe the emerging patterns.
These are so fun to watch, keep it up 👍
This is incredible
This was great :) So surprised this only had 128 views and 17 likes :o Well now both have 1 more + a sub
Thank you algorithm
Venonat and venomoth are oddly relatively rare outside of kanto and johto you can only find them in the post game using the Poké radar and the grand underground in sinnoh, in the dream yard and hidden grottos in unova, friend safari in kalos, mirage Islands in hoenn
Edit: apparently they are in Paldea
Paldea 👁👄👁
@@bup8671 ah I've haven't played them...
And Bulbapedia hasn't updated their pages
I think people arrived at Types for categorization through what is important to survival: resistances, aka what can you take without being damaged, and weaknesses, what is damaging to you.
The people of the Pokemon world didn't categorize Bug in the same way humans did biologically. Why categorize Krabby as a Bug type if it would take more damage from Electric and Grass type attacks unlike all the other bug types? And Spinarak would count as a Bug type because even if it's biologically different, it still takes more damage from Fire and Rock attacks.
The anime shows wild pikachu mine for thunder stones so it isn’t unreasonable to believe it’s a naturally occurring event
I always thought the gloom line was ambushers bc they r plants they get most of their energy from sunlight n since they use a lot of powder moves they wait for their prey to get close or by accident n then they hit them with a status move n slowly they absorb their preys life force.
Weepingbell on the other hand learns wrap n vine whip (in anime) to get a hold of their prey when hunting n then eat them whole like a snake or pitcher plant also that’s y they don’t have teeth.
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excellent content. boosting for the algo
i watched this video a while ago took me forever to find again
Holy, this is Insane!!!
I only dream that the games put this much thought into ecology
Loved this video 🎉🎉
You forgot to mention the picture of mewtwo in bills old mansion door.
Was the door built b4 mewtwo was created or was it after?
Also then was mewtwo more prevalent b4?
Love this series and this video but very confused as to why you think Mewtwo wasn't genetically "born" from Mew's DNA. This isn't even something from the anime/movie, it's all spelled out in the game its self and 100% in game canon within red/blue and fr/lg. Mewtwo just chose to hide deep in the cave to stay away from humans. But, I digress.
Nice
nice vid bro keep it up
Ghost types are more "spirits"
Actually so is the fairy type.
But, why use only typing when egg group exists?
I've already discussed egg groups in my video on Pokémon reproduction. The short of it is that I don't think egg groups show phylogenetic relatedness, instead showing physical and behavioral capacity for reproduction. This explains why flying includes both birds and bats or water 1 containing fish and aquatic mammals.
However, I probably should have acknowledged egg groups, at least in passing.
Very interesting video, but please keep your mouse off of your game footage lol.
epic vid
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