How Good Was Charles Barkley REALLY?
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- An evaluation of the career and talent of Charles Barkley.
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Where does Charles rank among the greatest players to never win a championship?
NOTE: This is a re-upload, but belonged in the "How good was he" series. Next up in the series is the one and only Dr. J. Let me know who else you would like to see in the series.
How good was Mahmoud Abdul Rauf aka “the Steph Curry of the 90s”
Or how good were some of those Run TMC Warriors like Tim Hardaway, Mitch Richmond and Chris Mullin.
How good was moses malone. Also keep up with the good videos bruh, great job. 👍👍👍
Rank one
How good was Kevin McHale video or Dominique
Alonzo Mourning is who I'd like to see in your series. Yes sir Charles Barkley is the GOAT of players who never won a chip
All the dislikes are from dem big ol' women of San Antonio
Eatin' dem churros. lol
Jonny Arnett -NBA TH-camr I can smell dem churros
We live in the land of miniature giants!
Maor Mama, hahahaha good shit bro!!😂😂😂
"That river walk is more like a dirty creek"
Barkley was “listed” at 6’6”. The common belief back then was that he was actually only about 6’ 4 1/2”. At power forward. The man was a beast.
Saw the Suns courtside in '92. Dan Majerle as 6'4" and Barkley as 6'6". I'd say they were about the same height.
So true brother he was a monster!!! My all time favorite. In his book it actually states that he is 6ft 4, and 3/8 of an inch. I read outrageous a week after it was published. He is and will always be my favorite of all time. Boy gorge, behemoth, round mound of rebounds!!! The great Sir Charles!!!!
He was 6’6” with shoes on,so yeah that sounds about right
Kevin McHale said he would have made Sir Charles League MVP on several occasions, and that's a pretty good endorsement, in my opinion.
I remember McHale saying "Who's this little fat f---ker creating havoc"...or something like that
Yes, Barkley could have easily gotten 2 more MVPS, Wilt was interviewed and was talking about the fact if Barkley had shot the ball as much as Jordan he would have scored a lot more points.
Charles got robbed of MVP in '90. If anything he was more deserving of it that year than '93 which really MJ should won it again but I think the league didnt wanna give MJ 3 in a row for some reason. But back to Charles he was maybe the best player in the league in 1990, yes better than Magic and Mike.
Anthony Anderson I think that was part of it but I think also bc Phoenix had the best record in the league that year.
@@powerboatguy2308 Agreed, if he shot as much as MJ, he would have outscored him by a mile... he was top 5 most efficient scorers ever.
He won an MVP during the Jordan era that’s how good he was
to further elaborate he won the MVP while PRIME Michael Jordan playing
@@chikitoborroko6597 Right nowadays fans dont know that the 91-93 run had the best unstoppable version of Michael ever. He was simply younger than the 96-98 MJ but gotta give it up to CHUCK for almost stopping prime mike in 93
And he probably deserved more than 1 MVP!!!
you PROBABLY still know that the 1997 mvp was awarded to karl malone
you PROBABLY still know the 1996 bulls went 15-3 and in 1991 they went 15-2
the suns 90's jersey is so iconic
the black especially
Brliaiston ScitleC
I’ve that teams signed basketball 🏀- all of them - true story - wish I could post a pic
yeah best jersey ever
I had that purple Barkley jersey back in the day.
My favorite player all-time! I was crushed when he lost to the Bulls in the finals. He played out of his mind on that playoff and finals run. #CB34
the 1993 suns and 1996 sonics played the bulls EQUALLY as REALLY well
Barkley is one of the Best Basketball Players Ever..👏🏿👏🏿
Vacation Bullies i will always be a Jordan man the goat but when sir Charles went to phoenix and won the MVP and went to the NBA finals against my bulls i actually felt really bad for Charles not winning the NBA championship and i would never say that against Jordan and the bulls but fuck he deserved that title Charles Barkley is my second favourite player he was a beast unstoppable and this bloke saying he was 6 foot 6 no he wasn't he was 6 foot 4 and him and Jordan are best friends
@@markbennett4202 do you remember after the game while still the floor, Michael Jordan hugged Charles and said " I love you man.". I cryed.
Caroline Corman that's what true friends do
@@markbennett4202 he was like 6 foot 5 there no way he is 6 foot 4
JMM Selassie i know my basketball he was 6 foot 4 he use to lie and say he 6 foot 5 but then admitted he was 6 foot 4 i have even got it written on old basketball cards were they have there stats and it says 6 foot 4 and if you font believe me go watch his doco sir charles
The Bulls/Suns Finals is what made me fall in love with basketball. I will always have a special spot in my heart for Sir Charles.
Jordan averaged 42 in that Finals. Poor Charles should have got a ring, but Jordan ruined that for a lot of people. haha
It was very difficult for both teams... clash of titans... i had my doubts if bulls could beat the suns..seriously
@@jonnyarnett exactly...even the league had a better balance in those years.. the talent was well distributed...but Jordan and the Bulls
It's Chuck's fault for playing golf with MJ, letting him buy him a 20k earring, etc. MJ has no friends when it comes to winning. CB should have stayed frosty and focused, & stayed the hell away from his "buddy".
@@iess2006 Barkley didn't manage to take a ring not because of Jordan. He didn't lead Suns to the finals after Jordan's retirement and he was a disappointment when he joined Houston (with Hakeem and Drexler) probably because of his lack of professionalism outside of the court. He had his chances.
Charles Is the greatest and my favorite player of all time.I was glad to see you agreed.And I have met him he's only 6'4" on a good day...Which makes his accomplishments that more incredible.
Being a Suns fan from Phoenix, I loved him on my team. We should have got a championship dammit. There were many many times where he simply took over a game and won it. His energy was infectious to the rest of the team when he did. When he went all out, he couldn't be stopped and wouldn't be denied.
the 1993 suns and 1996 sonics played the bulls EQUALLY as REALLY well
Crazy part is he wasn't even 6'6" he was 6'4" I am 6'4" and stood beside him several times for long periods of time. He was also an exceptionally nice and patient man with fans.
Absolutely correct. Check out the video at 8:00 - Chuck is clearly 2" shorter than Dan Marjele who is 6'6"
@Alex Jones As a player, Charles Barkley was perhaps the greatest anomaly in basketball history. Listed at 6-6 but actually closer to 6-4, he played power forward as well as anyone in the history of the NBA, often dominating players half a foot taller.
Legends profile: Charles Barkley | NBA.comwww.nba.com › history › legends › profiles › ch...
@@wingammmotorhomesusa barkley is clearly 6'6". Kenny smith is 6'3" and barkley is way taller than him
Joe Jett, you can’t go by their height now. People shrink as they age, and they shrink at different rates and to differing amounts. Kenny Smith has also had some very serious orthopedic injuries. Playing height is the topic. In Barkley’s book he says he was 6-foot-4-and-3/8ths-inches.
He was waaaaaay more versatile than Karl Malone. Charles is the greatest power forward!
Charles has said, numerous times, that Tim Duncan is the best power forward to ever play the game. Just saying.
@@RandomPlaceHolderName He is just being humble, Duncan no doubt had a great career, coach and longevity, but if he was matched up one on one with Chuck in his prime he would have gotten dominated. It was like Bill Walton said, Barkley and Jordan do not play positions, they play basketball. Charles could shoot the mid range shot, could take it coast to coast and could post up on anyone. He gets knocked sometimes for his perimeter defense, but when you are one of the best offensive rebounders of all time you should get a pass. No better defense than not letting the other team get the ball.
@@powerboatguy2308 that's debatable. For one, I dont even like putting Duncan in the greatest pf conversation cuz he played just as much center as he did power forward, especially defensively. But if we're gonna go there, his size and length would have given even a prime charles all kinds of problems. And there's no way charles could ever guard him.
@@anthonyanderson9303 Duncan was no where near fast enough nor explosive enough to guard a prime barkley. Barkley would face up duncan and blow by him, bully drive or shoot the jumper. He had 3 point range(streaky). Barkley had more range, better handle, finisher around the rim, superior athlete, as well being equal
rebounder. Also could take clutch shots.
@@RandomPlaceHolderName watch them play head to head. TH-cam olajuwon in Berkeley vs. Tim Duncan and David Robinson. A lot of times what people do is they pay respect. Barkley does this
A lot. My personal opinion Charles Barkley is the best power forward I've ever seen play the game
It continues to amaze me that TH-camrs with 10K subscribers are so much smarter and more interesting than the “sports journalists” I’ve been reading and watching for 30 years.
Apparently it’s possible to talk about basketball without doing some sort of “sports talk voice.” Dom2K’s channel is great as well. And Jon Bois. Thoughtful analysis, and no “sports voice.”
Appreciate the compliment, Matt! Now if only I had the voice of Shannon Sharpe, then my channel would really explode. lol.
Dom2k is my favorite NBA TH-camr btw. The guy's insight is so sound. I'll have to check out more of Jon Bois content
That's what I've been thinking recently. The production value might not be there but the research and facts are up there with 30 for 30
spot on. Shows like worst take, the turd, etc. are all about hot takes, gossips, twitter wars, stupid reactions about none events
this guy really knows his stuff.
Nice appeal to authority fallacy dumbfuck.
I first saw Charles Barkley when he played for Auburn in college. He was completely different than any other college player at the time, a big man not the then typical tall skinny player. I actually felt sorry for the other teams matchstick players that had to play against him. His jumping ability was amazing, he could get as high as the tallest players. He was fast or faster than most other players. Truly dominate and so different in stature.His size and athleticism changed college and pro ball, big and athletic became the dominate player.
Your argument of Chuck not playing with another just as talented player can be said for Patrick Ewing too.
And melo
You need to keep Melo light years away from this conversation
94 should have been the Knicks year to win the finals but Hakeem Was just too much for them
@@javontedonuts1034 bum ass melo went for knicks money.. thats that..
Melo belongs to the crybaby generation. We talkin bout the blue collar generation.🤛🏼👊🏼
I watched Sir Charles play. You will get no argument from me, he was great.
I could not agree more. Chuck is the greatest player who did not win a ring.
Elgin Baylor,
Karl Malone over Charles and Dominique
I love watching Charles Barkley playing in the NBA, his power game but not the greatest not to wear a NBA ring, Elgin Baylor, Patrick Ewing, etc etc
@All Team San Diego the most underappreciated player by far
Bob Lanier
6'5 power forward averaging 20 & 10 in the 80's & 90's ill say he was great
Actually 22.1 and 11.7
People forget that only Jordan was better then Chuck in the early 90s.The man was a beast!
Magic was better than him and so was Hakeem in the mid 90s.
Double D Wut? Magic in nie 90s? I think you got the decades wrong. Of course Olajuwon was great, but Barkle was named second best player in the world by Chuck Daily. That is something.
ur totally rigth
@@Gshellshock Magic was better than Barkley from 89-91 before he retired due to AIDS. Barkley had an opportunity to win a title after MJ's retirement. However, he lost to Hakeem two years in a row and blew a 3-1 lead in one of those series.
Benny
No you only hear of mid 90s Hakeem. He was a beast in the 80s and early 90s. You just don’t see much footage.
he wasnot 6"6,he was 6"4 1/2 which makes his stats even more unreal...
Right! 6' 4".
@Uldis Poriķis
6 8 with 3 1/2" heel
If he wasn't 6'6 then Michael Jordan wasn't 6'6, there are plenty of video and pictures of them two standing next to each other at the same height.
@@Kavothizzlafduxbfd i saw him in a Paris nighclub 20 y ago,he's exactly my height
6" 4 1/2
b zanon I still say he was 6’6
He was the MVP of 92 Barcelona Olympic.
which is another testament that if he would've had any help like kobe, MJ,bird Magic had with their teammates he would've won hella rings.
Very important award cause his game and his persona had a trumendous impact internationaly...after the summer olympics we all knew and loved him despite the fact we are not americans. He is really my alltime favorite player
He ran the floor both ways every time, fought hard for rebounds and never quit. One of my all time favorites.
Another excellent video. Barkley was a beast even on his bad Sixers teams. It's really a shame he didn't have that bonafide all star teammate.
@All Team San Diego You fail to recognize that all of those names you mentioned were past their prime when he joined the Rockets. Yes, even Pippen. Chuck wasn't even the best player on that team anymore.
I always forget that Pippen joined the Rockets for the 98-99 season
@Larry Terry Dude they were all old by then, you make it sound like they were in their primes
Can you imagine a decade of Barkley and Brad Dougherty together?
Shame what that ownership did to that team.
That efficiency stat is insane. I remember when I was a kid growing up in OKC, I was a huge NBA fan. I think this was right after Barkley's MVP year where he lost to Jordan in the finals. The Suns came to OKC to play an exhibition game and my older brother and I went to the game. Chuck tore up the court and then gave his shoes out to some kid in the audience. 10 years later Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans and OKC got to host the Hornets for two years. The rest is history. I wonder if Chuck ever in a million years thought that would happen?
Love your videos bro and the respect you show old NBA legends like Barkley and Stockton and others
I have lived in Phoenix for over 30 years, and all through the Barkley era. He was #1 as a ball player and a personality. We loved him as a city, and lament that we didn't get him sooner.
Listed as 6'6", but some say that he's only 6'4". He may have weighed close to 270 lbs. during his playing days, so he had incredible leaping ability!
Somebody please send this video to Shaq so he’ll know once and for all how great the Chuckster was.
Ha. Remember when Barkley threw the ball at shaq and shaq took a swing at Barkley...Barkley thumped his big ass on the floor and started punching him
Shaq knows.. He just ribs Barkley when he doesn't have any comebacks
@Cortez Armstrong shut up dude Charles is better
@@DJ_BROBOT shaq is good at that. Chuck is one of the few not afraid of Shaq. Alonzo Mourning wasn't either.
@@steff2738 he knows but he won't say it.
I loved watching Sir Charles play the game. Very exciting player. If he could have at least won 1 NBA Championship, there would be a very serious conversation about him being the GOAT.
Chuck was my idol. He's the reason I fell in love for the game. I feel sorry for my son who has to watch today's soft ass players.
All your son wants to do is half court shots now I bet haha
mine too
I feel sorry for myself that I’ve never watched Charles play
@@ennieminee4470 maybe I'm just an exception but I grew up watching today's players and I prefer mid range and inside the paint contact because more shots go in and its funner
It's not their fault its the league
Some of the greatest all-time NBAers came out of the 80's. Charles was definitely one of them. Great player.
Listed at 6'6 or 6'5, but was closer to 6'4. To do what he did back then, you had have a lot of skills and talent, but even more heart to be as great as he was. My all time basketball idol.
You've said everything on point! Makes me want a do over 🥺💪🏽
I read Charley Barkley self written book of quotes in 2000, and I felt really sad for him not winning a ring, he wrote in his book "I only could be 2nd best, because of Jordan"
I nearly shed a tear, bro
Like yesterday
Barkley was my favorite nba player in the 80's more then MJ. It was because of him that i love choosing and wearing number 34 on my jersey. That nike ad" basketball by Barkley, shoes by Nike"... I can vividly remember.
Barkley is the GOAT standing at 6'6 ''only. That was so clear when he was part of the 92 dream team, and out-shinned all the other stars of his time
What he did at his size was incredible. I wonder how great he would have been if he was 100% dedicated to diet and fitness through his college and NBA career. Scary right? Props to Sir Charles one of my all time favorite players.
I doubt his diet even harmed him much. Anyone who can eat a box of pizza and still consistently put out those numbers is a fucking beast. Now if he only he had been in the same team as Stockton, Tim Hardaway, or Rod Strickland, they would've helped each other get a championship.
ryublueblanka ...and this in my opinion is why Malone is better.
@@farrgone Malone had Stockton. The NBA all time leader in assists and steals. That's major...Stockton was unreal
He actually stayed in pretty good shape for most of his career. It was only during the first two years, when he was unlearning his college eating habits & the very end, when injuries caught up with him, that he let himself go.
@@ryublueblanka Malone was great for longer than Charles but Barkley was better than the Mailman at their respective peaks.
A 6'4" power forward that could do what he was able to do, makes him the best power forward ever. Barkley is shorter than most of the NBA's guards. THIS MAN WAS A BEAST!!
Charles was amazing! I remember when he came here from Philly to Arizona, we had a lot of hope for our team to get better. Charles did not disappoint .. was well under six six but he had springs in his legs and he could guard any big man ..amazing versatility..!
The "Round Mound of Rebound"? I loved Chuck. And Dan Marjle.
Most powerful forward who ever played the game. Dude is so strong, he could knock out Shaq.
Do you remember when he picked up shaq and thumped him on the floor. No one seems to remember that fight
And by the way ... I truly feel if Chuck wasn't a solid 25 ppg man and facilitator on offense, if he simply just wanted to rebound like a Rodman, he would have probably taken half of Dennis' rebounding titles.
I know I'll get pushback on this, but my opinion. I honestly felt if he wanted to concentrate mostly on rebounding like Rodman or today like Andre Drummond, he wins several rebounding titles.
Dennis was a great tipper, tapper. Chuck usually pulled it down 1st effort. He was that strong & cleared out that much space.
Makes it hard to get rings when a guy named Michael Jordan is playing.
Nobody won until mike sat down .Whether you like it or not.
@@ram0666 Despite not having a ring, he did beat Prime Mike for MVP in 1993. And that's saying a LOT.
MJ destroyed the careers of a lot of players...Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller, Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone, Shawn Kemp, Dominique Wilkins, Clyde Drexler....
@@k-dash7245 It just says that Barkley had a great year compared to what he normally did.They could have given that award to MJ every year.Lets not act like Chuck actually had a better year than Mike.This is coming from a Philly guy who' favorite player was Chuck.
@@jkpiii4513 Most of them are HOF's so destroyed is a strong word but i get where your coming from.
Rank#1 with no ring.I love this guy. I like to imitate his moves when i used to play in my college days except for his dunks, it works in the low post. He can carry his team solely by his stats unlike the era of Shaq onward that needed 2-3 stars to dominate
Love Sir Charles. Thanks for posting this and telling the truth. Aside from his amazing talent, he is so hilarious on the NBA shows
Larry Bird and Magic Johnson were amazing players playing in an amazing teams, and Jordan played with Pippen, who was like a clone of Jordan, Steve Kerr, Rodman, Kukoc... Barkley never had such team mates. What impressed me most from him is that he was everywhere doing everything the full game. Jordan could do more fancy moves but we have take into account that Jordan had more space to run and jump to the basket while Barkley used to play closer to the basket and defended by much taller players.
The Celtics went from 28W / 53L in the '79 season to 61W / 21L in the '80 season. The additional new players in the team were M. L. Carr, who started in 7 games, Gerald Henderson, who started in 2, and Eric Fernstein, who started in none. Bird's Celtics were amazing, it's amazing they weren't winning before Bird joined, even with Pistol Pete and Bob McAdoo on their roster.
Sure, you could argue Cedric Maxwell was a great player, and that Bird didn't win a ring until he got McHale and Parish in as support. But Bird alone, as a rookie, made a 33 win difference for the Celtics, in spite of the team's formerly best players Pete and McAdoo leaving the team.
Charles Barkley was a great player, and him joining the 76ers helped them go from 52W / 30L to 58W / 24L, but Barkley joined a better team than the one Bird joined and his '84 76ers weren't as good a team as Bird's '79 Celtics were. Relative to their competition and slightly different (5 years) eras, yes, but nonetheless. Bird had to do everything, everywhere, just as much as Charles, and arguably did it better.
My personal appreciation for Barkley is his good humor and positive vibes, rather than everything else - while on the Dream Team, he ignored security, went out into "hostile" territory and made the entire world embrace and cheer for him and team USA. That's what makes me want Sir Charles on my all-time dream team. Alongside Larry Bird, of course.
Imo he's the greatest power forward EVER he REALLY was only 6'4.
I was at the 92 Olympics and got to march in to opening ceremonies right alongside the dream team. I'm just a shade under 6'2 and was way more than 2 inches shorter than Barkley.....
you said it man, charles himself has said on multiple occasions that he's not quite 6'5"
Just saw a picture a friend of mine took with Chuck at a charity event. My friend is 6'2" and Chuck looks to be around 3" taller.
RIGHT!!! imagine if he wasn't 5+ inches shorter than most power forwards he played against
Stop the nonsense. He was 6'6 by NBA standards. I dont care what his actual height was, with the way they measure height in the NBA, he was the same height as everyone else listed at 6'6(Jordan, Kobe, etc...) Quit acting like he was shorter than he was listed. Its well known NBA heights are listed with shoes on.
my family calls me Sir Charles cause Charles Barkley is my all time favorite player. He brought a smile and happiness when I saw him play. Your commentary was on point. SCB was electrifying.
Nice video, well-written speech! Charles's story told superstars not to settle with small-market teams.
This guy was basically the most complete and versatile player I´ve ever seen. I remember watching him play in all the 5 positions and defend guys of all shapes and heights.
If Charles played in today's nba, its over. He is the epitome of the modern day big man.
Charles Barkley and Karl Malone are two players that would have eaten breakfast, lunch, and dinner during this decade for sure
if he played in today's NBA he would average 5 points in 6 minutes per game.... his very existence would be a foul by today's standard, he'd be out of the game in the first quarter.... there are no bowling ball battering rams in today's game, every dribble would be called an offensive foul as he shoulders the defender and he flies away like a paper weight
@@notimportant3686 Disagree, Charles would be getting who defended him out of the game in 6 minutes because he was one of the most difficult to guard players in history.
@@powerboatguy2308 i don't think you understood a single word i said
Sir Charles was my favorite player and still is! I so badly wanted him to win that championship in Phoenix!!
Sir Charles, the best power forward in NBA history. You forgot to mention he is one of 5 players to retire with 20k points, 10k rebounds and 4k assists.
@All Team San Diego KM yes, TD is a center
@@Canedra no hes not
@@TheChosenMoose01 Duncan was as much of a PF as Ralph Sampson was... He is naturally a Center ofc all the way from his college years.
www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tim-duncan-1.html
No he wasn't
www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html
@@Canedra Not your strongest argument since so many change positions going from college to the nba. Why not just note that David Robinson played center for SA, so Duncan moved to power forward for most of his career (which is why NBA Refrence lists both positions).
Only 6' 4.75". Barkley admitted to this.
You could also run the offense through him like a point guard. Coach Westpaul did this many times when he was in Phoenix.
Wow, what a great recap and analysis of Sir Charles' career! He was unbelievable. The true physical freak before Giannis.
Charles was an absolute BEAST. No other way to describe him really...
I absolutely agree! When the Knicks won their first chip, they had five top players who played together unselfishly. In the 1973 season, Earl "The Pearl" Monroe teamed up with Walt "Clyde" Frazier. The Boston Celtics won their early chips by having high quality players. Clyde Drexler didn't win a chip until he teamed up with Akeem Olajuwon. LeBron James won his two chips with Miami with Dwayne Wade by his side, and his chip in Cleveland having Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love with him. And recently, that's why Kevin Durant won a chip because he teamed up with Steph Curry and Draymond Green. It's true. Had Charles had at least one high caliber player alongside him, he's have won his share of championships!
But let's all stop and think for a minute. We're talking about great players who never won championships. Let's remember that even just to put on a uniform and sit on an NBA bench, you have to have game! Let's not forget that.
Don't sell that Phoenix roster short, they made it to the NBA finals going through the West. And don't under estimate the greatness of Kevin Johnson either, he was top tier PG from the time, and that roster was superior to Jordans Roster. At the end of the day Jordan was just better and more dominant. Since we are calling it as it is.
Charles was a beast. He scared those foreign players in the olympics more than Jordan, Bird, or Magic. They feared him.
How good was Mahmoud Abdul Rauf aka “the Steph Curry of the 90s”
Or how good were some of those Run TMC Warriors like Tim Hardaway, Mitch Richmond and Chris Mullin.
Not good enough to win anything relevant.. just a 90’s hype team
I was honestly just about to suggest the same thing about the uncheckable Chris Jackson (a.k.a. Mahmoud Abdul-rauf). 👍
It's unfortunate he pulled the original "Kaepernick", but after he settled into his game in his 3rd season in the league, there wasn't a defender capable of shutting him down.
mullin needs his own video. one of the best all around offensive players ever. not as well known as he had a prime that only lasted around 5 years before getting hurt and having to take on a lesser role. he was elite though.
Wow, I forgot about Rauf... And for good reason.... He was a good shooter, but NO Stephen Curry. Richmond was good in Sacramento only, and Hardaway got no credit for being what Kyrie will never be: a great ball handler, who could also pass!
he was a better college player, not close to steph. more like isiah thomas(the little one)couldnt guard a glass of water.thats real no matter what few clips you see.
Charles was loved here in Phoenix and brought the Suns fans out from the wood work. We loved watching every game and even though we lost to the bulls (shocking), it brought the city together in excitement for our team.
Just came across this channel with your Stockton video, and the next one I see is the Chuck one. Congrats, you've earned a new subscriber. Now, my thoughts:
1) Barkley IS the greatest player to never win a ring.
2) Barkley is also the greatest power forward to ever play the game. Yeah, yeah, Tim Duncan, blah blah blah. Other than the short period where he & the Admiral played alongside one another (and the Admiral still being the Admiral, not a shade of himself), Duncan always played the role of that traditional centers played, both offensively & defensively. I don't care that the SL said Matt Bonner (or whoever) was the center; they were really a stretch 4. But even if you say, okay, Duncan was a PF, he didn't come into the league in the middle of two great dynasties (Lakers & Celtics) and spend his prime in the middle of one of the greatest (Bulls). His career started the year after MJ retired. While I'm in no way diminishing Duncan as an all-time great, I just have never really considered him in the same category as I would Barkley, Mailman, McHale, etc.
3) Part of the reason Barkley was so efficient scoring the basketball was his incredible post game. The only guys that I would immediately put ahead of him as better post scorers are Olajuwon & McHale, who both just had incredible moves, and Kareem, who had the greatest shot ever. But Barkley not only dominated scoring wise from the post, he completed decimated a defense from it. He got the best basketball play while commanding the post, often ending up getting a 20+-ft jumpshot for someone or a easy layup off of a back cut. As you said in the video, they literally changed the rules of the game because of him.
4) Philly traded Moses, Toney got permanently hurt, and Doc got old ... think about how good those Sixer teams could have been had they not gone down that road! Phoenix had a potential game changer blooming in Richard Dumas who literally blew his career up his nose, KJ's size + style caught up with him and he was perpetually hurt, Dan Majerle was always overrated, and Chuck himself got hurt in the 2nd year with Phoenix... he just wasn't quite the same after that. Still, from 1988 to 1995, I'd say Barkley was the 2nd or 3rd best player in the league every season.
5) Chuck led the greatest team ever assembled in the history of team sports in scoring. Most of those guys could, but he actually did.
6) Barkley's defense has always been underrated. He was a good help defender, particularly in the first 5 or 6 years of his career, and when it got crunch time and the team needed a stop, he'd step up. Go back and re-watch that '93 playoff series vs the Spurs. Chuck is guarding David freaking Robinson, who is 8 inches taller than he is, and he's doing it well. Yeah, he definitely got lazy in the later days of his career, and yeah, he was much shorter than the guys he was guarding, which brings me to...
7) 6'6"? More like 6'4". Playing nightly against guys half a foot taller than he was. Insane.
Of course, most of this is just my opinion... but the first time I saw this guy grab a rebound, dribble down the court around, over, and through everyone, leap up and throw it down with two hands I said to myself, "Man, this fat kid can PLAY!"
I wasn't wrong.
tldr, but I'll give you an upvote for effort
Growing up just outside Philly I was lucky enough to watch SIR CHARLES grow into a HOF player. 1 of My favorite 76ers memories was going to see a game btwn MJ n Charles n by the time they took Charles out of the game he actually was out scoring MJ, who ended up with 58 pats if I’m not mistaken. Btwn MJ n Charles it was a game full of highlight reels. The Round Mound of Rebounds was 1 of my favorite players, next to DR J n MJ.. great video!! Thank You for posting it!!
I think he was a lot more athletic and a far better player than most young people today realize.
Another great video Jonny! Your analysis is always on point
Love the vids man. You should do a how good was Allen Iverson!
Aaron Cabbage l watched iverson live few occasions. i would say at his prime he was better than jordan. talent wise. lacking longevity and mental strength in the long run. if he only won that championship once perhaps he could have lasted at a higher level longer.
@@modern_method I love Iverson and hate Jordan. But Jordan has Iverson beat. Look at Jordan's work before the Bulls championships, while the Celtics, Lakers, and Pistons were monster teams. Jordan was KILLING them. Jordan benefited in the 1990s by playing against teams with one superstar (except the Jazz) while his teammates were among the best ever at their jobs: Pippin (Top 50 player) Kerr (one of the best 3 point shooters ever), Rodman (second best defensive player ever behind Bill Russell) AND players who were great role players: Horace Grant (a top power forward in his day), Craig Hodges (outstanding shooter), Ron Harper (former great offensive player turned great defensive player).
I come to your videos every time I get a new player for my 2K MyTeam. Thanks for all of these 🍻
I think Barkley inhabits the same elite sphere of greatness as Jordan, Magic, and Bird. Such a shame he never obtained a championship.
I agree bro Barkley was great. Underrated for sure.
This is a good analysis. I have always had Charles as my favorite power forward. I see now, because of your argument, that he makes a strong case as best power forward. Karl Malone and Kevin McHale are also still very much in the conversation, though.
The strength of your argument has to be that Malone had Stockton and Charles had no one on that level in his prime. Great point.
Absolutely right. And the Shaq argument was even better. He had Penny, Kobe and D-Wade. He was never alone and watching Charles play those years in Philly was painful with NO help!
He might be the greatest power forward of all time. To think that he was only 6" 4 1/2" not 6" 6" is wild. One of my favorites players. I was lucky enough to see him play a few times.
He was the best player on the 1992 Dream Team not Jordan.....
He went into the Olympics with a chip on his shoulder and absolutely dominated.
my favorite shirts growing up "the meek shall inherit the earth, but they won't get the ball" charles barkley. Guy was a beast and I loved that he spit on fans.
Sure he is in my Top 3 of All time P forward ! Love the Guy , and HIS kicks..I STILL collect them 💪🔥..
He was one of those players who put everything on the court. He wore his heart on his sleeve. His play style was incredible, but did a number on his body. I can only imagine the pain he has played through. He was, literally, one or two pieces away from getting rings.
Shaq... Not only did he have somr of the greatest players of all time on his teams. He had some of the greatest management and coaches as well. He was incredible as well, but his comments toward Charles are way over the top.
Excellent video, couldn't have said it better! His strength was his explosive power & sheer determination to dominate. I believe he's only 6'4"
Great video, as always.
Barkley is easily one of the most underrated ballers ever.
To me it's a toss up between him and Malone.. Karl vas much more viable on defense, and possessed GOAT longevity. Charles was a more versatile deadlier yet amazingly more efficient scorer.
Duncan is more of a center than power forward.
One of the underrated aspects of Malone was that he was a fantastic post-sealer -- probably the best of his era -- and off-ball player. Barkley's iso scoring from the post could, at times, turn into a black hole situation. With Malone, the team offense tended to flow more smoothly.
I also think that we tend to forget how inconsistent Barkley could be, even in the playoffs. In the 95 playoffs for instance, he had one basket -- one -- over the course of seven fourth quarters against Houston in the second round. That likely cost Phoenix the series (as well as his injury in the second half of game 7).
@@solcreate490 Malone passed well if I remember correctly. Ball movement/flow.
The Malone vs Barkley debate is close and legitimate one. However. Charles can do one thing way more often than Karl could and that is create his own shot. Karl could not do that in half court game like Sir Charles could.
Being a Sixer Fan and enjoyed watching Sir Charles Work & Play it was a dark day when he was traded away from the Sixers. I enjoyed you analogy of Sir Charles. He was a force to be reckoned with. Sadly although he never won a Championship he was a true Champion. As for his place in history there is no doubt he ranks high on the list and is grossly overlooked because of never winning a Championship.
I totally agree with u sir. Charles dont get the respect he deserves. If chuck had another hall of Famer who knows what he would have done. I never understand why Shaq teases the man that way. Charles was legit
ı know the answer, chuck wrestled him down with a 40 kg deficit.
This. Like there's any shame in not winning a title. Oh know, he's gonna have to settle for making millions of dollars and being an NBA hall of famer lmao....how horrible
Great video...Sir Charles is the man. A great man off the court as well. Met him several times. Love Sir Charles, ranks within the top 10 all time, and arguably the best for his time. Always loved that combo of him and Rick Mahorn.
Like Kevin Durant who is a legit 7’0” but listed as only 6’9” ... Charles Barkley is really 6’4” as stated in his own book even though he was once listed as high as 6’7” as his “NBA height”
What blows my mind is that he led the NBA several seasons in RPG at 6’4”
Him and Rodman taught me that Height really means nothing in getting rebounds as long as you got heart, will, and knowledge on positioning where to be on the court.
So theoretically, it’s possible for Isiah Thomas, Nate Robinson, Spudd Webb, Starks, or Mugsy Bogues to have led the NBA in rebounds against the giants they’ve played against in their careers if they willed it.
Took it too far at the end.
Sir Charles is prolly my fav all time player to watch...such X-plosiveness.... A true beast in every sense of the word!
Larry Bird´s comment on those fastbreaks: "Just don´t stop him."
I lived in Philadelphia and got to see Dr J in his prime, Sir Charles in his prime and The Answer in his prime...pretty lucky fan here!
6'6 was very generous...he was more like 6'5 on a good day... Which makes it more remarkable
Man..what is a good day??
This is absolutely one of the most fair analyzes ever.
Thanks for making this video. I was thinking about this very same topic recently. Charles Barkley is one of the greatest players of all time.
Look, there's ONE reason Ewing, Malone, Stockton, & Barkley never had any rings as good as they all were: Jordan! If Shaq had been trying to get his rings in the 90's versus the 2000's, he wouldn't have any either!! It didn't seem to matter how good somebody was or who they had with them! So Kobe has nothing to do with Shaq getting his rings and Barkley not! Timing was everything here!!
Stonemansteve II I agree. I mean it is undeniable that Kobe and Shaq helped each other dominate the time they had together, in a way someone like AI never got a chance too during the same time period. But add the lack of star power to then have you come up against Jordan and Pippen every year... yeah there’s a problem there. It wasn’t just Jordan. Jordan the GOAT, also had an amazing team and management behind him. Something Barkley never had.
I agree. But it wasn't just Jordan. It was Jordan and Pippen!. MJ had Pippen who he count-on to give him about 20 pts, 5 or 6 rbs, x number of steals and assists, and a lockdown defender. Ewing, Malone, Barkley, and Reggie Miller didn't have that 50 greatest player on their team. Shaq and Kobe....Kobe did everything MJ did and was equally competitive. I have been watch NBA since the late 60s, though I believe MJ is the greatest during his era and the current era, a prime Kobe wasn't....Hershey Hawkins, Steve Smith, Rolando Blackman, Dan Marlej, Mitch Richmond (who was awesome), and even Reggie Miller. He (Kobe) was better than these players and would have given MJ and Pippen fits offensively. I would say, of the Bulls' 6 championship, Shaq and Kobe, running the same Bulls" offense, would have probably won 2 or 3 of those Finals.
@@come2morrow368 Lunacy!!! Every point Kobe would've put up Jordan would've made sure to put up 2!!! They wouldn't have had much of an answer at the center position, but the Bull's centers weren't bad. Absolute lunacy!!!
@@Stevesrssrssrs We can agree to disagree. Kobe "did it" against better offensive and defensive players than MJ (list of name in my previous reply). I'm not saying Kobe was better than MJ. If MJ was 1, Kobe was was 1a. Also, remember the league favored MJ (Bird and Magic had gotten old), whereas during Kobe' tenure, the league ensured all the top players (handful) were favored.
@@come2morrow368 Here's the problem. Yes, Kobe's game was modeled after Jordan's, modeled after, but not as good! The student did not surpass the master. And Jordan after '91, would not lose, he'd drop 70 if he had to!! And btw, Kobe is not 1a, he's in my top 15, but he's not in the top 10. Now I know some people do have Kobe in the top 10, but they're wrong. It's really as simple as that! Jordan could've had a 10-peat, (that's right) if he didn't retire/got suspended, and if the Bull's owner didn't trade everyone and dismantle the team in 1999! And had that happened, there would've been no Lakers championship in 2000!!
My favorite player of all time!!!
#1 PF all time period
Excellent video. That's how great Chuck is. He changed the rule
I remember when Sir Charles and the Sixers took the Bulls to a game 7 in either 91 or 92. I sincerely believe that Sixers team was good enough to win an NBA title, but like a lot of other great teams from the 90s, they ran into a Phil Jackson coached Bulls team with Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen.
I loved that Sixers team. Charles Barkley and Rick Mahorn (Thump & Bump) at front court, Hersey Hawkins and Johnny Dawkins made up the backcourt, with big Mike Giminski at center. They had epic battles with the Detroit “Bad Boys”. Thanks for the memories. Is it just me, or was the NBA way better from 88-98?
Now a new video "Just how bad was Charles Barkley" golf edition
I’m with you man. His play as his personality are both larger than life.
Four OFFENSIVE rebounds a game. Nuff' said.
He was my favorite player all time hands down...he was a monster on the boards, dunked to tear the rim down (and a defenders arm if he tried to stop him) and was always blocking 7 footers shots...could lead a fast break like a point guard and was a very good passer... after he retired I was never as into NBA games....don't even watch it anymore these days...
kevin Johnson was one of the best point guards to ever play, when he was healthy. his issue was he was frail.
Yes today he would be like Lilliard. You couldnt get away with that nonsense then.
@Jahlil.mp4 No, frail here meaning he was injured too much, which is true. KJ could ball, tho.
@Jahlil.mp4 He didn't say KJ didn't have hops or couldn't ball. Frail means you get hurt easy. And KJ did.
100% agree. Great analysis.
Chuck is the Greatest Power Forward!!
Might NEVER see a player quite like him. His size. Rebounding. Strength. Leaps. Underrated ball handler and passer. Could score on anyone. D was inconsistent but when he wanted to he could do unbelievable things. In todays era he would be unstoppable because he was physical and you can’t get rough on D. Great player. I’m a Bulls fan but he deserved that MVP.
Sir Charles adds to Jordan's legendary status..