We've had a bevy of comments asking about the shooting grip I'm using with my thumb rested on the right side of the receiver (on the safety selector) as opposed to wrapped around the pistol grip. No, it doesn't have anything to do with ridiculous California-Style grip 'laws'....It's a technique that I learned from a few PRS shooters some years ago (there's also plenty of threads on Sniper's Hide and elsewhere if you'd like to read up on it). 'Parallel Thumb Technique' is what it was described to me as and is meant to allow a better 90 degree contact with the trigger as well as less torque on the wrist (and thus translated to the rifle). I find it to be dramatically more comfortable in the prone than trying to wrap my thumb around the pistol grip of most firearms. It's also how I shoot bolt guns to allow for a slightly faster access to the bolt...so, cross platform consistency. I use it almost universally when setting up on distance targets, and if you go back and watch even some of our oldest content, you'll see me using it...Henry on the other hand prefers wrapping his thumb 'more standard' around the grip. Both techniques are perfectly viable. Hope you enjoy the vid. -Josh
I don't know why you'd have to explain that (I mean I understand that people on the internet need to argue with everyone) when you're clearly shown to have used both techniques as well as Henry also using parallel thumb grip in the video and receiving far less comments about using the same grip
When discussing the technical specifications of AR10 style rifles it’s always important to remember that they can be set up as battle rifles, SASRs and DMRs all while being based on the same platform. A scoped AR-10 can fit either of the three types depending on its application and intended use.
@@ShawnHinck 5.56 has less than 500 ft Lbs of energy at 500 yards. It is a 400 and in caliber like 7.62x51. If you are trying to down something beyond that stepping up to a larger caliber is preferable.
The PhD in me loves that you’re shooting group sizes that have some statistical significance, and that you’re looking at systematic effects like the choice of ammunition. Great video as always.
@@lucastonoli3256 usually 5 shots per group, I can't really afford 9 shot groups when some of this stuff is $2 or more per round. This rifle wasn't built for accuracy but mostly for weight. Most AR10s are 10lbs+ empty with the SASS being 15lbs. My AR10 is 7.5lbs empty, 9lbs loaded with a 20rd PMAG and MBUS Pro sights.
Running a similar setup with a 20" version of faxon's pencil barrel and have managed reliable ~1MOA groups shooting winchester match ammo. Your other reply about weight is spot on as well. Without scope my build comes in at ~8lbs, with scope 10.6lbs without magazine of course. If I end up finding an adjustable carbon fiber stock that I like, that will probably shave another lb off(running a heavy magpul stock atm). Once I get a bunch of ammo to do more rigorous testing I have no doubt that sub moa is doable with good ammo. That also will be a good time to see how the group size opens up once everything heats up. So far all my shooting has been a box at a time and not enough to build up much heat.
A consequence of a small grip and/or a relatively heavy trigger I suspect. A small grip's short LOP tends to make pulling with finger contact near the proximal phalange (the part closest to the knuckle) easier than pulling with the distal phalange (where the fingernail is), especially for those with larger hands. Some shooters also find it easier to control heavier triggers in slow fire this way, although given that the trigger in the video looks like a two-stage, it probably isn't very heavy
I like that I made my own poverty version of this with my M&P10. I’ve got the same SLR rail, adjustable gas block, Geissele SSA-E trigger and Silencerco omega suppressor. I just use the stock M&P10 18” barrel though. I haven’t seen sub-MOA groups but that may be a limitation of my shooting skills rather than the capability of the gun. I mostly shoot German surplus with it and it’s a hugely fun gun to shoot at steel silhouette targets out to 500 yards.
Did you have any issues with yours from the factory? My one experience with them was one that came with a finger tight barrel nut and didn't shoot anything better than paper plate accurate like that.
@@randomidiot8142 I didn’t have any issues like that. When I free floated the gun with an SLR rail, I had to remove the stock barrel nut and I don’t recall it being loose and easy to remove like that. As for accuracy, I don’t shoot a lot of match ammo with the gun, (not at all before I free floated it), but it was certainly not outside of 4 MOA accurate. I haven’t shot for groups in a long while but I will say even free floated the accuracy hasn’t been amazing for me. When I was zeroing it for a new scope I wasn’t able to get better than 2 MOA out of Gold Medal match 175gr. Again, this may be my shooting skills not the gun. It’s been a long while now since I shot those groups with match ammo and I think I’m a better shot than I used to be. Maybe it’s time I take this back to the indoor range and try shooting for groups again.
Do you think you guys will ever look at the SCAR-20s and see how it compares to the 17? It could also be a comparison of .308 vs 6.5 Creedmoor as a caliber choice depending on the barrel selection.
I think that the sweet spot for a homebuilt SASS is the Aero receiver set, Aero small parts, plus a JP industries BCG and barrel. Mine (in 6.5 creedmoor) shoots .5-.75 MOA all day long with hornady eld 140, hornady eldx 143, and even Sellier and Bellot 140 gr fmj.
While Lone Star rifle is not something I can afford it darn sure is something I can admire. A beautiful rifle Lone Star! And thank you for the video of some excellent shooting.
@@d30gaijin bull shit, il out shoot to all day every day with my BCA,, for muny,, lol. Don't believe the hype, CNC machine do not know any brand name, BCA is the best you can get right now and will not be inexpensive for long. Side charging or go home 🏡
@@DANTHETUBEMAN OK. Might you have had just a bit too much tonight? Not that it matters. All ways good to hoist a few my friend. Stay safe. "In violent times you shouldn't have to sell your soul..." Tears For Fears
I'd love to see you guys evaluate a DT MDRX 20" 6.5CM or .308 against the same requirements. So far with mine I'm getting an average of 0.86" with FGMM or my M118LR clone loads, and slightly tighter with my hunting ammo of choice, Federal Terminal Ascent. It's similarly heavy but I don't end up feeling the weight as much because of how rear-loaded the weight is.
I have the terminal accent 155gr 7mm I paid $73bx for…plain 700adl had 25yrs..can’t wait to put 1 on deer see how they work..win supreme has been the best I’ve seen..loaded with accubonds I recon
I love my SASS platform in 308. It’s honestly no fun sub 300 yards. It becomes just too easy until the barrel heats up a bit. But overall- amazing platform.
Love these review videos about a good DMR set up! Makes me wanna shoot my budget friendly PSA AR10 suppressed and pretend I’m you guys! Thanks for all the hard work! Everyone have a great day!!
You can get 90% of the way there on a "budget" build-- if you follow the recipe... Free float handguard-- 5R rifled barrel-- 20" barrel or more-- Heavy barrel if you can get it. Getting the right barrel is key. M&P 10's used to come with 5R barrels, Idk if they still do... These SASS purpose built rifles are insanely impressive though.
Constantly impressed with the quality of your guys' videos. Love the data and the practical analysis. Keep it up!! PS. I finally got my hands on some Slate grips and a Slate stop. As soon as the wife returns my credit cards I'm ordering some more :)
I’ve been workin solely on my dd5v3 16” 7.62 for over a yr now shootin factory and my handloads I’ve developed…47gr of 4350 got me 7 shots@100 in 0.75” outta the 175mk..those 178 hornadys shot very good the couple I fired@530yrds were headshots on a full steel silhouette..been to 775yrds off a guardrail and made a hit but not near steady enough but would feel confident off solid bags..gen 2 3x15pst,ssa-e trigger,prs stock,419 break,magpul bipod,and a surefire 640df…I’d love to see Henry&josh shoot it…thanks guys… Matt in ky
Thats a very nice rifle. Ive been thinking about doing a SASS, but with a .243 Win upper as well. Maybe a 6.5 Creedmoore, but .243 is easier for me to find, and its a bloody fast round in the lighter grain weights.
I'm cracking up as I hear the clang of the suppressor banging into the guard rail and thinking, well, it passes the "whack it on the barrier" test as well.
Goes to show how training and reps work - I had run the drill a few times without the suppressor just as part of testing...when we got it on footage was after I had put the can on the gun...I pulled back the same length/distance I had without the extra 7" of can that was needed to clear the muzzle. WOOOOOPS
That rifle is just a piece of unadulterated hotness!!!! I love the whole SASS/DMR/Sniper Support "Spotters" Weapon concepts. I would like an "XL" frame AR in 6.5mm PRC. Just saying.......hahaha
Solid video, nailing a lot of points that many ignore/are ignorant to. That said, I’ve largely ditched IR systems on precision guns opting for it to be on the spotting scope
@@9HoleReviews yes, on a badger SLICK. I’ve just had issues with the IR illuminator being where it needs to be so I’ve gone over to the spotter handling that. It also allows them to better place the IR so that you can see the IR splash off the base of the projectile
@@9HoleReviews the badger is hands down the best one I’ve found with how they implement everything. They have a few guys who have spent time on sniper teams doing good work and making smart design elements that make sense
So are you going to compare those budget AR10 style rifles to the SCAR, M110, and LSA10? Would like to see that? Would also like to see a 308 /6.5 Creedmoor comparison with the LSA10. Excellent video.
An LMT MARS MWS I offers the best value proposition. It satisfies all the requirements covered in the video, and can be had for under $2500, maybe even closer to $2000 if you're patient and willing to shop around and wait.
@@joshkirkby8103 @@joshkirkby8103 impact guns has one in stock for $2, 700. And Titan defense has one for a $2300 model You have to put yourself in a waiting list, and might wait for a while, but Titan defenses usually pretty good with eventually filling their orders. Another option is to part your LMT together. Since it's a quick detach barrel you're not really risking anything by doing it yourself. You then have the option of avoiding the overpriced LMT stocks and sites, and save a few hundred dollars.
We love them piggies. I'm interested in testing the PRS-Lite (intermediate/A5 tube) at some point. I think a Sprinco Red and H3 buffer should work. The varying patterns and ability to mismatch components on an AR10 should be a word of warning to folks who don't fully understand the platform. Throwing a DPMS 2.5" buffer into an SR25 intermediate tube or reverse is a formula for hurt. I've even seen folks toss in AR15 rifle buffers into their AR10 rifle buffer systems thinking it's the same.
That is a sweet gun ! Out of my price range, it would be 6k a good with optic. I'd take that over a bolt gun with that accuracy if I could only buy one gun. Thanks for sharing this fantastic gun.
Truly amazing to see the capabilities of modern rifles, the price is garentee sticker shock, but the capabilities of such accuracy and yet still be able to utilize it in close to mid engagements as a heavy duty gun I think out way having a dedicated bolt gun in modern combat/disruptive environments. As Clint Smith always said is the biggest heaviest rifle isn't big enough when bullets are flying over your head 🤣
I have done extensive testing with my 16” dd5v3 and have over 10 different handloads with the best being 178gr hornady and 175smk…147 bulk fmj loaded 1 at a time on lee beams stay round 1” also..I shot .68” 5rd last wk for a contest with 2rds just outta the cloverleaf hole that was all me as I’m no professional trigger man but did stay at a holiday inn express last night…ps..178s/75s from 16” 46gr superformance ran 2158fps when I hit@ 1k yards on my 1st attempt 1st round..15x pst sfp and ssa-e trigger
@@9HoleReviews it would be very interesting ! My comment was obviously a bit provocative, but in the context of warfare, bolt actions are now mostly obsolete, except for niche uses like very long range shooting.
@@erwannq I would tend to agree if your statement is limited to .308 or similar cartridges. We haven’t seen that come to fruition with magnum cartridges yet, I don’t think.
As a PRS competition shooter that has a secret obsession with gas guns, you could run a semi auto to the same level of a bolt gun. My .308 gasser is fast and similarly accurate. I will say that the gas gun takes more effort to shoot at the same level - meaning more solid fundamentals. You can get away with more mistakes on a bolt action for sure.
@@randomidiot8142 it’s not necessarily ergonomics but more so fundamentals of marksmanship - follow through, natural point of aim, etc. gas guns are much less forgiving, especially when under pressure at a competition shooting tiny targets designed for 6 Dasher Gucci bolt guns 😆
@@billbee235 6 dasher in an ar15 mutant might be fun. Maybe on a .284 case.. 🤔 Still trying to make sense of what you're saying. It's your experience and not theory. Natural point of aim on the bolt guns is better.. McMillan a5 type stocks vs chassis vs semi makes a difference? And fundamentals.. your head telling you to hurry up and pull the trigger on a semi where on a bolt you know you don't have a fast follow up so you slow down?
You can easily get this performance at a fraction of the cost. Like with any AR15 DMR build, make sure you install a match grade barrel and a decent trigger. A good scope doesn't have to be very much either. The rest of the gun can be the cheapest parts you are able to find.
Nice video. I like the requirement discussion and the way you presented the accuracy data. On to the product: Nicely done, very heavy and high price. It should better do its job. I have only shot a Heckler & Koch MR 308 with a 16" barrel and a Steiner MX 5i. Nice gun, very heavy, very accurate and very expensive..... Main probelm with this guns besides the price: they are way more capable as most of the folks who are pulling the trigger.
Will you be borrowing an LMT MWS from Chris Bartocci to review? I'm currently waiting on a Proof Research barrel for mine. I love the quick barrel change feature for not only the versatility in shooting different calibers but also changing between barrels that vary in price range. For example, barrels for close range plinking with cheaper ammo and tight grouping barrels with match ammo.
Sigh gosh I want one. Only take Saveing my entire pension for 4 years. Haha and another year of savings for ammo if I can find it. Thank you guys for showing this sexy machine any way.
Thanks for all the work and data! I've started to notice when a rifle with a pistol grip is being shot rested, the shooter often positions their thumb above and on the same side as the trigger finger rather than wrapping it around the grip in a traditional manner, I also notice you alternate back and forth depending on when you are resting the rifle or shooting unsupported. Does doing this when the rifle is supported, take the thumb out of the equation to reduce possible lateral torque on the grip and ergo the rifle affecting accuracy? Just curious, cheers! Okay just saw your pinned comment on this, oops, sorry!
Would have been interesting to compare this to a variant in 6.5cm at distance and go into some detail on BC and the impact on speed at longer range (with similar v0)'and ability to parry wind. 308 is not something I would use today in a rifle like this. Then again, I often shoot at 1km+.
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We've had a bevy of comments asking about the shooting grip I'm using with my thumb rested on the right side of the receiver (on the safety selector) as opposed to wrapped around the pistol grip. No, it doesn't have anything to do with ridiculous California-Style grip 'laws'....It's a technique that I learned from a few PRS shooters some years ago (there's also plenty of threads on Sniper's Hide and elsewhere if you'd like to read up on it). 'Parallel Thumb Technique' is what it was described to me as and is meant to allow a better 90 degree contact with the trigger as well as less torque on the wrist (and thus translated to the rifle). I find it to be dramatically more comfortable in the prone than trying to wrap my thumb around the pistol grip of most firearms. It's also how I shoot bolt guns to allow for a slightly faster access to the bolt...so, cross platform consistency.
I use it almost universally when setting up on distance targets, and if you go back and watch even some of our oldest content, you'll see me using it...Henry on the other hand prefers wrapping his thumb 'more standard' around the grip. Both techniques are perfectly viable.
Hope you enjoy the vid.
-Josh
It's sad you had to explain that. I learned all about that from my time watching Garand thumb videos 🤣
A lot of people have no idea about this grip style. First time I saw it was when people using bolt guns for long shots
I don't know why you'd have to explain that (I mean I understand that people on the internet need to argue with everyone) when you're clearly shown to have used both techniques as well as Henry also using parallel thumb grip in the video and receiving far less comments about using the same grip
people should try this grip when shooting precision, its way more comfortable when benched/proned to relax the muscles in the hand
That's how I shoot muh air rifle.
I think you guys should post more competition videos from Josh
> dat speedy trigger finger 🔥
waiting for the slav version of 9 holes reviews ;-)
He was obviously handicapped by the 2 stage trigger. Horrible performance.
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Gonna have to register Josh as an NFA item😳
I was gonna up-vote... but it's at 69. ...nice
Damn, those groupings got me pumped! Then I saw the TX10’s price and it got me feeling poor.
You can afford it! Lol
But i am poor
The PSA AR-10 is for those who need to be more value concerned
bro your PSA M110 is way hotter
When discussing the technical specifications of AR10 style rifles it’s always important to remember that they can be set up as battle rifles, SASRs and DMRs all while being based on the same platform. A scoped AR-10 can fit either of the three types depending on its application and intended use.
One reason why I am upgrading to .308 over 5.56
And a 5.56.. can't?
@@randomidiot8142 not past 400 yards.
Edit: reliably.
@@FXIIBeaver you can absolutely push 5.56 past 400 reliably…. Well, maybe not you, but 5.56 can
@@ShawnHinck 5.56 has less than 500 ft Lbs of energy at 500 yards. It is a 400 and in caliber like 7.62x51. If you are trying to down something beyond that stepping up to a larger caliber is preferable.
0:36 can we just appreciate how well those shots are synced with the song?
The PhD in me loves that you’re shooting group sizes that have some statistical significance, and that you’re looking at systematic effects like the choice of ammunition. Great video as always.
Weird flex but ok.
This guy’s got a PhD! See.. nobody cares.
@@HotelBravo556 it’s so true th-cam.com/video/A8OdC6X7ce0/w-d-xo.html
Still the gold standard for gun reviews. Loved it guys. Cheers.
Boy I sure am glad I get the newsletter so I can watch videos early
This entire video was brilliant. From presentation to digestibility of information. All around incredible. Loved it.
I'm running an Aero M5 with a Faxon 18" pencil barrel, it's a 2MOA group with M80 but sub-MOA with FGMM and Barnes TTSX.
How many shots per group?
@@lucastonoli3256 usually 5 shots per group, I can't really afford 9 shot groups when some of this stuff is $2 or more per round. This rifle wasn't built for accuracy but mostly for weight. Most AR10s are 10lbs+ empty with the SASS being 15lbs. My AR10 is 7.5lbs empty, 9lbs loaded with a 20rd PMAG and MBUS Pro sights.
Running a similar setup with a 20" version of faxon's pencil barrel and have managed reliable ~1MOA groups shooting winchester match ammo. Your other reply about weight is spot on as well. Without scope my build comes in at ~8lbs, with scope 10.6lbs without magazine of course. If I end up finding an adjustable carbon fiber stock that I like, that will probably shave another lb off(running a heavy magpul stock atm). Once I get a bunch of ammo to do more rigorous testing I have no doubt that sub moa is doable with good ammo. That also will be a good time to see how the group size opens up once everything heats up. So far all my shooting has been a box at a time and not enough to build up much heat.
@@SuspiciousGanymede nice set up
Im running aero upper and lower with the Faxon big gunner 18", Im hitting sub moa with 168gr IMI razorcore
what's with the 3:47 trigger press?
A consequence of a small grip and/or a relatively heavy trigger I suspect. A small grip's short LOP tends to make pulling with finger contact near the proximal phalange (the part closest to the knuckle) easier than pulling with the distal phalange (where the fingernail is), especially for those with larger hands. Some shooters also find it easier to control heavier triggers in slow fire this way, although given that the trigger in the video looks like a two-stage, it probably isn't very heavy
I like that I made my own poverty version of this with my M&P10. I’ve got the same SLR rail, adjustable gas block, Geissele SSA-E trigger and Silencerco omega suppressor.
I just use the stock M&P10 18” barrel though. I haven’t seen sub-MOA groups but that may be a limitation of my shooting skills rather than the capability of the gun.
I mostly shoot German surplus with it and it’s a hugely fun gun to shoot at steel silhouette targets out to 500 yards.
Did you have any issues with yours from the factory? My one experience with them was one that came with a finger tight barrel nut and didn't shoot anything better than paper plate accurate like that.
@@randomidiot8142 I didn’t have any issues like that. When I free floated the gun with an SLR rail, I had to remove the stock barrel nut and I don’t recall it being loose and easy to remove like that.
As for accuracy, I don’t shoot a lot of match ammo with the gun, (not at all before I free floated it), but it was certainly not outside of 4 MOA accurate.
I haven’t shot for groups in a long while but I will say even free floated the accuracy hasn’t been amazing for me. When I was zeroing it for a new scope I wasn’t able to get better than 2 MOA out of Gold Medal match 175gr. Again, this may be my shooting skills not the gun.
It’s been a long while now since I shot those groups with match ammo and I think I’m a better shot than I used to be. Maybe it’s time I take this back to the indoor range and try shooting for groups again.
I love this type of stuff. no nonsense, showing the difference between a SASS and a run of the mil AR-10
Do you think you guys will ever look at the SCAR-20s and see how it compares to the 17? It could also be a comparison of .308 vs 6.5 Creedmoor as a caliber choice depending on the barrel selection.
@Skummar Köphunchuksohn So does that mean the scar 20 is that bad, or the
scar 17 that good?
@@rdsii64 it means the 17 is a better value.
More practical accuracy tests folks! Love those and hasn't been a new one in a while. Come on Henry and Josh!
Great to see Josh behind the trigger! Not to disparage Henry’s skills but just thought it was refreshing!! More please.
This makes so happy that I just bought my Noveske N6 with Switchblock. Which I think it's a must when you shoot 308 with a Cann
Glad you're healing up. Yall have a great channel.
I think that the sweet spot for a homebuilt SASS is the Aero receiver set, Aero small parts, plus a JP industries BCG and barrel. Mine (in 6.5 creedmoor) shoots .5-.75 MOA all day long with hornady eld 140, hornady eldx 143, and even Sellier and Bellot 140 gr fmj.
I know that these videos don't get as much recognition as 'Practical Accuracy' but they are amazing too. Keep on doing them.
While Lone Star rifle is not something I can afford it darn sure is something I can admire. A beautiful rifle Lone Star! And thank you for the video of some excellent shooting.
Bear Creek arenal, .308 upper 350.00 dollars.
@@DANTHETUBEMAN Are you kidding me? Buy one please. You'll get exactly what you pay for.
@@d30gaijin bull shit, il out shoot to all day every day with my BCA,, for muny,, lol. Don't believe the hype, CNC machine do not know any brand name, BCA is the best you can get right now and will not be inexpensive for long. Side charging or go home 🏡
@@DANTHETUBEMAN OK. Might you have had just a bit too much tonight? Not that it matters. All ways good to hoist a few my friend. Stay safe. "In violent times you shouldn't have to sell your soul..." Tears For Fears
@@d30gaijin just the facts, I don't drink, I just shoot.
Could you guys please make a review about the LMT's L129A1?
I'd love to see you guys evaluate a DT MDRX 20" 6.5CM or .308 against the same requirements. So far with mine I'm getting an average of 0.86" with FGMM or my M118LR clone loads, and slightly tighter with my hunting ammo of choice, Federal Terminal Ascent. It's similarly heavy but I don't end up feeling the weight as much because of how rear-loaded the weight is.
I have the terminal accent 155gr 7mm I paid $73bx for…plain 700adl had 25yrs..can’t wait to put 1 on deer see how they work..win supreme has been the best I’ve seen..loaded with accubonds I recon
Fantastic video guys! Thoroughly enjoyed seeing a SASS optimized to the Nth degree
That's a powerful rifle for your capabuilitys. Good weapon for you.
The data analysis is fantastic. Really enjoyed seeing the silencer print vs the non-silencer print and explanation.
I just super liked this breakdown. Gave me something to think about while getting rifles with designated roles
I love my SASS platform in 308. It’s honestly no fun sub 300 yards. It becomes just too easy until the barrel heats up a bit. But overall- amazing platform.
Good way to spend my morning.
Love these review videos about a good DMR set up! Makes me wanna shoot my budget friendly PSA AR10 suppressed and pretend I’m you guys! Thanks for all the hard work!
Everyone have a great day!!
Can't wait to see a partical accuracy video.
You can get 90% of the way there on a "budget" build-- if you follow the recipe... Free float handguard-- 5R rifled barrel-- 20" barrel or more-- Heavy barrel if you can get it. Getting the right barrel is key. M&P 10's used to come with 5R barrels, Idk if they still do... These SASS purpose built rifles are insanely impressive though.
Thats y i love the MK12mod0 and the M110sass
Constantly impressed with the quality of your guys' videos. Love the data and the practical analysis. Keep it up!! PS. I finally got my hands on some Slate grips and a Slate stop. As soon as the wife returns my credit cards I'm ordering some more :)
Hella great shooting,& hella great rifle!
I’ve been workin solely on my dd5v3 16” 7.62 for over a yr now shootin factory and my handloads I’ve developed…47gr of 4350 got me 7 shots@100 in 0.75” outta the 175mk..those 178 hornadys shot very good the couple I fired@530yrds were headshots on a full steel silhouette..been to 775yrds off a guardrail and made a hit but not near steady enough but would feel confident off solid bags..gen 2 3x15pst,ssa-e trigger,prs stock,419 break,magpul bipod,and a surefire 640df…I’d love to see Henry&josh shoot it…thanks guys…
Matt in ky
This was a great video I wish you guys could make a video with a PSG 1 or Walther WA 2000 I’m keeping my hopes up for that one nearly impossible day
What an absolutely incredible presentation. Thank you.
Thats a very nice rifle. Ive been thinking about doing a SASS, but with a .243 Win upper as well. Maybe a 6.5 Creedmoore, but .243 is easier for me to find, and its a bloody fast round in the lighter grain weights.
Did this with 103 eldx. 20 inch running 2870fps. With a 4 port break recoil impulse is the same as a 16 ar shooting 77 smk.
This has definitely "Planted a Seed" in my brain, and it's growing fast.
Thanks y'all. Maranatha!
5:49 that’s me 😎
Did you do the work on this once, T?
I own the 556 LSA and have shot the TX10 it will be my next big purchase.
I'm cracking up as I hear the clang of the suppressor banging into the guard rail and thinking, well, it passes the "whack it on the barrier" test as well.
Goes to show how training and reps work - I had run the drill a few times without the suppressor just as part of testing...when we got it on footage was after I had put the can on the gun...I pulled back the same length/distance I had without the extra 7" of can that was needed to clear the muzzle. WOOOOOPS
LSA is the most underrated AR manufacturer in my opinion
That rifle is just a piece of unadulterated hotness!!!! I love the whole SASS/DMR/Sniper Support "Spotters" Weapon concepts.
I would like an "XL" frame AR in 6.5mm PRC. Just saying.......hahaha
The "in scope" pov footage is awesome...must be hard to pull it off....
Great Video 9Hole Review.
Very Informative and Fun.
Keep up the Good Work..
Thanks guys! I appreciate the education.
Solid video, nailing a lot of points that many ignore/are ignorant to. That said, I’ve largely ditched IR systems on precision guns opting for it to be on the spotting scope
Interesting - are you running some sort of nvg or clip on with the spotter as well? Or is it just acting as your host for the IR device?
@@9HoleReviews yes, on a badger SLICK. I’ve just had issues with the IR illuminator being where it needs to be so I’ve gone over to the spotter handling that. It also allows them to better place the IR so that you can see the IR splash off the base of the projectile
@@ShawnHinck Very cool - we've been looking at some of the 'hub' setups for the spotter
@@9HoleReviews the badger is hands down the best one I’ve found with how they implement everything. They have a few guys who have spent time on sniper teams doing good work and making smart design elements that make sense
So are you going to compare those budget AR10 style rifles to the SCAR, M110, and LSA10? Would like to see that? Would also like to see a 308 /6.5 Creedmoor comparison with the LSA10. Excellent video.
An LMT MARS MWS I offers the best value proposition. It satisfies all the requirements covered in the video, and can be had for under $2500, maybe even closer to $2000 if you're patient and willing to shop around and wait.
Another $1000+ for the optic(s)
Last I checked all the LMT stuff was 3500+ now
Yeah no. I have been in the market for a MARS H and can't find one for under 3500.
@@joshkirkby8103 That's what we were seeing during research for this as well.
@@joshkirkby8103 @@joshkirkby8103 impact guns has one in stock for $2, 700. And Titan defense has one for a $2300 model You have to put yourself in a waiting list, and might wait for a while, but Titan defenses usually pretty good with eventually filling their orders. Another option is to part your LMT together. Since it's a quick detach barrel you're not really risking anything by doing it yourself. You then have the option of avoiding the overpriced LMT stocks and sites, and save a few hundred dollars.
Excellent content as always!
We love them piggies. I'm interested in testing the PRS-Lite (intermediate/A5 tube) at some point. I think a Sprinco Red and H3 buffer should work.
The varying patterns and ability to mismatch components on an AR10 should be a word of warning to folks who don't fully understand the platform. Throwing a DPMS 2.5" buffer into an SR25 intermediate tube or reverse is a formula for hurt. I've even seen folks toss in AR15 rifle buffers into their AR10 rifle buffer systems thinking it's the same.
That is a sweet gun ! Out of my price range, it would be 6k a good with optic. I'd take that over a bolt gun with that accuracy if I could only buy one gun. Thanks for sharing this fantastic gun.
That is one thick barrel baby!
That's a really nice Ar15.
Comprehensive. I like it.
Truly amazing to see the capabilities of modern rifles, the price is garentee sticker shock, but the capabilities of such accuracy and yet still be able to utilize it in close to mid engagements as a heavy duty gun I think out way having a dedicated bolt gun in modern combat/disruptive environments. As Clint Smith always said is the biggest heaviest rifle isn't big enough when bullets are flying over your head 🤣
A video about the msg90/psg1 would be nice, I look forward to see you guys impressions
I have done extensive testing with my 16” dd5v3 and have over 10 different handloads with the best being 178gr hornady and 175smk…147 bulk fmj loaded 1 at a time on lee beams stay round 1” also..I shot .68” 5rd last wk for a contest with 2rds just outta the cloverleaf hole that was all me as I’m no professional trigger man but did stay at a holiday inn express last night…ps..178s/75s from 16” 46gr superformance ran 2158fps when I hit@ 1k yards on my 1st attempt 1st round..15x pst sfp and ssa-e trigger
Top notch presentation! Lots of details, interesting all the way through. What will be your load out for DB2022?
You guys need to try out some of the B&T rifles. No ones doing their long range selections.
No need for a bolt action rifle when semi-autos like this one are just as accurate. Impressive.
We sort of want to do a more in depth video/conversation on this...especially within the confines of 308
@@9HoleReviews it would be very interesting ! My comment was obviously a bit provocative, but in the context of warfare, bolt actions are now mostly obsolete, except for niche uses like very long range shooting.
@@9HoleReviews Would be interesting to see how this compares to some of the more wallet friendly 308s you mentioned, as well as to high end bolt guns.
@@erwannq I would tend to agree if your statement is limited to .308 or similar cartridges. We haven’t seen that come to fruition with magnum cartridges yet, I don’t think.
if money/laws not a factor bolt guns are obsolete in a tactical or hunting environment in 2021. you have light options for hunting like the
I hope Nikita and the BSG crew is watching this, can't wait to use this gun in tarkov
great vid as always! I made a similar system with Aero parts and an BA barrel and its good but damn not that good!
I love your guys videos
Wish I had never seen this video… now I have to have one of these rifles 😬
Great review.
I can't help but pronounce Carbine as Cabine with a pretend New York accent after 00:57.
Excellent video as always
😅 What can I say...my Northeasterner comes out from time to time.
Damm and im over here going bubba on my sks in my apt while these guys make straight up terminator rifles
As a PRS competition shooter that has a secret obsession with gas guns, you could run a semi auto to the same level of a bolt gun. My .308 gasser is fast and similarly accurate. I will say that the gas gun takes more effort to shoot at the same level - meaning more solid fundamentals. You can get away with more mistakes on a bolt action for sure.
Curious why the difference when chassis bolt guns resemble semi auto ergonomics.
@@randomidiot8142 it’s not necessarily ergonomics but more so fundamentals of marksmanship - follow through, natural point of aim, etc. gas guns are much less forgiving, especially when under pressure at a competition shooting tiny targets designed for 6 Dasher Gucci bolt guns 😆
@@billbee235 6 dasher in an ar15 mutant might be fun. Maybe on a .284 case.. 🤔
Still trying to make sense of what you're saying. It's your experience and not theory. Natural point of aim on the bolt guns is better.. McMillan a5 type stocks vs chassis vs semi makes a difference? And fundamentals.. your head telling you to hurry up and pull the trigger on a semi where on a bolt you know you don't have a fast follow up so you slow down?
Such a beauty
You can easily get this performance at a fraction of the cost. Like with any AR15 DMR build, make sure you install a match grade barrel and a decent trigger. A good scope doesn't have to be very much either. The rest of the gun can be the cheapest parts you are able to find.
very nice gun :) and nice review
I love the sig 716i but struggle with wishing it had a 18 inch barrel. I'm not sure if I'd be happier with an extra 2 inches 😁... [insert joke here]
Nice video. I like the requirement discussion and the way you presented the accuracy data. On to the product: Nicely done, very heavy and high price. It should better do its job. I have only shot a Heckler & Koch MR 308 with a 16" barrel and a Steiner MX 5i. Nice gun, very heavy, very accurate and very expensive..... Main probelm with this guns besides the price: they are way more capable as most of the folks who are pulling the trigger.
I can’t afford the LSA guns but dam it’s interesting and the AR10 is a impressive story
Alot of good info🤙
Will you be borrowing an LMT MWS from Chris Bartocci to review?
I'm currently waiting on a Proof Research barrel for mine. I love the quick barrel change feature for not only the versatility in shooting different calibers but also changing between barrels that vary in price range. For example, barrels for close range plinking with cheaper ammo and tight grouping barrels with match ammo.
I know the guy on the lathe. Good dude at LSA.
Bartline barrels are the best barrels made.
That might have something to do with the
absence of shift between a can and no can.
Sigh gosh I want one.
Only take Saveing my entire pension for 4 years.
Haha and another year of savings for ammo if I can find it.
Thank you guys for showing this sexy machine any way.
Impressive accuracy...but that's HKMR762 prices!
Bull 0.96" barrel at 24" can run you a full 5lbs by itself. Well over 17lbs with scope and precision adjustment stocks.
Im running the dpms sass 18" barrel. Heavy, but accurate.
Aw man, time to get SASSy. Ok I’ll see myself out
Im so immersed in gun culture. I am working my ass off to get my first gun.
Awesome!
PLEASE MORE POV SCOPE SHOOTING PLEASE
2:25 History
4:28 TX 10
6:10 Accuracy
More PVS-30 please 👍
What scope and scope mount are you using in this video? Great video, definitely a rifle on my wishlist!!
The most I can work with is a PSA AR-10 with an 18 inch barrel
Thanks for all the work and data! I've started to notice when a rifle with a pistol grip is being shot rested, the shooter often positions their thumb above and on the same side as the trigger finger rather than wrapping it around the grip in a traditional manner, I also notice you alternate back and forth depending on when you are resting the rifle or shooting unsupported. Does doing this when the rifle is supported, take the thumb out of the equation to reduce possible lateral torque on the grip and ergo the rifle affecting accuracy? Just curious, cheers! Okay just saw your pinned comment on this, oops, sorry!
Josh was very SASSy in this video.
Great video looking at a more available ar10/sr25 style gun haha
Спасибо за видео и ваш труд
Would have been interesting to compare this to a variant in 6.5cm at distance and go into some detail on BC and the impact on speed at longer range (with similar v0)'and ability to parry wind. 308 is not something I would use today in a rifle like this. Then again, I often shoot at 1km+.
I’d probably build some kind of SR25 clone off an Aero M5 receiver set. Only thing that bugs me is the forward assist.