Hi Buddy, I think the problem is the angle of your snare drum, it would be very tricky to play match grip like that. Try angling it a bit flatter and try again. Hope you post another video showing your progress. Not heard of this guy but he seems pretty talented, I hope his career takes off soon! All the best Nelson
Way back in the day, when I was in 8th grade, first year playing jazz. We were doing the annual jazz festival at our school for all of west washington. I had the solo after the break in night in tunisia. It was my first year playing jazz so my director Matt Armstrong, one of the best music teachers in the world, had me transcribe a solo from north texas jazz band. I worked at it for months til it was as perfect as an 8th grader could get it. So here we are, day of the gig, were up there playing and my hearts goin 200 mph, we get to the part right before the break where theres that unison descending triads part, and I'm fumbling around with the mic trying to find the on switch, not realizing the sound guys had control over that. The break happens and I freeze. Dead air and I went " awww SHIT" right into the mic, which unbeknownst to me, was on. As embarrassing as it was, I never screwed up a solo after that again, and I realized that was probably the worst thing I'd ever do onstage. To this day, if I get butterflies before performing I think of that and laugh and it calms me right down.
I am playing the drums for 35 years now. Traditional grip is the way for me. Sure, you can do great solos with matched grip, not going to argue with that. But, like the man says, traditional gives you more flexibility, especially with drum rolls. But let's not split hairs and enjoy this video :).
Yeah, he's even got that mad angle on his snare to accommodate for traditional grip (which only exists because of the slant slings gave marching snares), which makes it impossible for him to use match. They're actually completely equal, they strike the drum identically. That's why these modern drum corps are able to use it, despite a demand for extreme precision with every stroke (something jazz doesn't necessarily demand).
Why is traditional grip better? Here watch me demonstrate how hard it is to play around a kit with matched grip, ignoring the fact that my kit is ergonomically set up for traditional.
most of the people here aren't drummers... or are just people that sit down, play a beat and think they are drummers. real drummers are living a life within rhythm and beat. it doesn't stop when they leave the throne. however, no one here seems to recognize that the old hardware on those sets were junk... he developed his style, n every drummer produces their set up to be within their own abilities and demands. buddy rich demanded the most style and speed. functional style, not just flash and glam... so obviously his drumset is set up to his style and needs. he didn't have a rack system... most of the old mounts were one position and that was it. no ball joints... they were extremely limiting, so you developed around that to get the most out of it that you could.
@@treatb09 when referring to the older kits, are you talking about drum hardware when buddy rich first started playing drums, or the state of drum hardware in 1977 when this was recorded?
@@tonedoctagon until about the mid 80's hardware wasn't really capable of handling aggression. the expertise buddy has isn't just speed, but he won't hit a cymbal hard enough that the stand collapses. aggressive drummers will break their stands because they can't slow dow in the moment right before hitting the cymbal. speed isn't everything.
@TH-cam Türkiye Müdür real musicians don't measure themselves by how someone else is/was. sure we develop speed, but its not to be buddy rich.... i'm not sitting in front of a crowd demonstrating his technique to say, " hey guys, i'm like buddy rich..." i wrote my own style and developed it since i was a natural drummer. basically a prodigy, but i quit drums 14 years ago. played guitar for 12, and wanted to play drums again. i still can play things more complicated than most people could ever learn, and its natural to me. what does that matter though? its just that i don't have that stamina to be able to skate 8 hours a day, play drums 6 hours straight anymore... i do have some of the best drums ever made though, and i have learned a certain care that i replaced with technicality when i was younger.
When I was young, I asked my drum teacher if I should learn traditional grip. He asked "are you planning on playing in a marching band, with your snare at your side?" I said no... and he said "then there's no point learning traditional." I still think he's right.
My favorite one is Thomas Lang saying basically that "I started learning traditional, because I had played matched grip my whole life and I wanted a challenge." Or something like that.
@@mc76 That quote is nonsense, as it implies no one who is successful would also teach. In music, that isn't the case. I've had two drum teachers, and both didn't teach for the money, but because they loved teaching. They both made plenty of money in the industry playing in well known bands. And, just because you excel at something, doesn't necessarily mean you'll teach it well. Buddy Rich is self-evidently a top tier drummer, but his ergonomics are damaging. If you prefer traditional grip, you don't need Buddy Rich to back you, but his comments about not having the room with matched grip are nonsense.
Once I started playing a drum set I stopped playing Trad grip. I read an article but I think it was Terry Bozzio interview and he talked about trying to play the tom-toms that were on his left that he couldn't actually hit playing traditional grip. Matched grip opens up the drum set if you have a lot of drums.
Traditional grip is a necessity if you have the snare angled down, away from you as most jazz drummers have always done. That tradition was inherited from marching drums where you braced the drum against your leg as you walked. Most modern rock drummers have compensated for this by simply tilting the snare back towards them which makes the more comfortable matched grip just as easy to employ 😊
@@ErickC no actually! I used to sit pretty low as I felt it allowed me to get more power out of the bass drum and I’d have my snare flat, but as I’ve moved towards faster playing I’ve raised my seat so my knees are very slightly lower than my hips and angled the snare away, it also gives more volume in the snare cos I get near enough a rim shot automatically with every hit.
Buddy Rich is correct. When I go fishing I always use traditional grip on the rod. It just feels more natural. Kids these days know nothing. *Snorts a tablespoon of plant food*
Wasn't expecting the plant food punchline. Neither was my keyboard, nor the floor next to my desk, which is where most of the coffee that came out of my mouth and nose ended up upon reading your comment. Chapeau, good sir.
“That’s the extent of their imagination” *proceeds to do nothing but play super fast and just hit in different places* (the follow string of shit you will see in this comment section is some of the most fun I have ever had in the cesspool that is TH-cam comments)
Apothe Curio LMAO nice job summing up drumming in a sentence mate. “Just hit in different places”. Yeah, thats called drumming buddy. Nice job trying to bash him with your straight up horse-shit though.
Apothe Curio LOL that solo was fucking sick. Not even an actual solo of his anyways, but if youre gonna tell me that that solo sucked then youre just full of shit
Apothe Curio Imagine calling fucking buddy rich an “uncreative drummer”. Even if youre just saying that this one solo was “uncreative”, then your whole argument is pointless anyways.
I met Buddy in Minneapolis at a concert and was a devoted fan. He was the greatest...however, he was WRONG on the matched grip vs. the traditional grip. The traditional grip developed from marching with a drum and tipping the snare so it wouldn't bang against your leg and forced you to hold the left hand through the fingers to hit the drum easier. A matched grip can get around the left or right side faster and easier than an un-natural traditional grip. Buddy simply played that way all his life and could have done it just as well or better if he started with matched.
I agree with you jamieseiple. When I started watching this video, although Buddy Rich is my drum god, I disagree with his assertion that all you can do is, essentially 32nd note rolls around the drums, with matched grip
+jamieseiple Even though how good he was, and even I think trad grip has it's uses, his statements here are just bs. Apart from his incredible skills he was known for his huge ego and being a dick.
this is one of the drummers that Neil Peart idolized. Neil used both the traditional grip and the matched grip, depending on what he was doing. I've seen him switch back and forth multiple times in one song.
Neil started using some matched grip later in his career as a way of reinventing himself. There's a good video on TH-cam in which he talks a bout it -- search "neil peart matched grip"
The irony about that statement, as myself and my drum teacher were discussing, is that actually playing traditional grip initially limits what you can do, as opposed to match grip. I suspect Buddy just had his snare drum too close for a match grip roll to work effectively. However, Buddy was growing up in a world where the drumkit was being invented, and loads of people went from drumline to drumkit, hence why practically everyone up until the British Invasion used traditional grip
+x1StapleGun Traditional grip isn't even for drummers, as you know it is used in marching bands. Matched grip is more versatile, even percussionists prefer it to the traditional one, and more natural, just give a pair of sticks to a little kid.
Traditional grip suits certain styles. I've heard jazz played with matched and there's something about it, the snare dynamics aren't right. A good drummer personally would learn to use both because they can both be damn useful at points
+Roberto Ricci It's good for jazz in that the angle in traditional grip, you can have the tip very close to the surface of the snare. It makes it good for those light dynamics on the snare in jazz. You can learn to do this with matched grip but its probably naturally easier to be able to get those dynamics with traditional grip.
I love this guy and the right way to remember him is with a pinch of salt. He was stubborn in thought but valuable in lesson. Everyday we meet bull headed people but their value on us is our ability to extract the bigger lesson for us. Buddy gave a foolish critique against the matched "timpani" technique when he forgot to mention that his snare was positioned slanted precisely because of his preference for a left handed traditional grip and that if any matched grip player would adjust their own set according to their own technique. He also remarkably doesn't even consider any other drummers choice or free will when it comes to their way of expressing themselves on a rather confirmative and over formulated instrument. For example of match grip suited you physically then that's all the reason in the world to use this method. I mean it's you on the set, if you were to conform to another's model you'd lose your own significance in another's ideal for the instrument. I mean why play at all if you were only to practice what others expected of you irrespective of your own preferences and feelings on the matter. Your journey, your will. Learn from the community but play it your way in the end. Look at what has since transpired in the drum community. Today some of the most celebrated drummers are heavy metal ones. Exactly the kind Buddy rich would have despised but this proves him wrong. He forgot the ears of the listener. We want all of it. Straight, swung, standard , odd, heavy light etc. All of which are valid musical devices any musician can willfully express without concern for rule of thought. Music born from self expression first, kept alive by study and adherence second
@@danielafonseca1873 listen bro, honestly I'm ok with that but I have to respond to you though by mentioning: never have I EVER, I repeat, EVER felt the need to share a lack of want to read any comment in any thread because it was too long or lengthy as such. Any response I've ever shared was directly corresponding to the topic or theme at hand. Never have I felt motivated to imply criticism of length of speech or opinion from others as of that were a considerate or legitimate response to the over arching topic on focus. Top often I've received such disregard. Fine if you don't want to read it but I disagree with the need from anyone to dislike my attempts at conversation just because it's lengthy. Judge merit and not superficial. Mind you, I'm not against you, more so the people who like what you said, they just following you me thinks
@@sambarnett2410 one last response, but I did like your comment just so you know(the like was from me), read much? My essay is for whom it may concern. The comment section space allows it. Your comment is for whom though? Me? Don't think so. You address nothing from my comment. For passing lay persons to join in mocking long texts? I think this is the case but I wouldn't be proud of gaining a few passive likes from a few passer by folk let's say in a month's time looking back. I am proud though to read and revisit lengthy speeches I've made that later on found traction when finally considered by more serious viewers. My comments of older have shown my like ratio and positive responses count go up considerably. This essay is still too new for that but my history has given me confidence to stand firm and contribute to the forums. We both will see whose comment has more likes in a few months. Your first like is from me btw
Sam that is true BUT you know for the MST part that trad cradle martial arts grip is more difficult to learn AND has benefits including once one becomes comfortable wth it in execution you can always or almost so mix in much easier matched grip
Reminds me of my old drum teacher. He showed me that you cannot have good volume control with heel up by literally slamming the beater into the bass drum as hard as he could 🤣
I don't doubt Buddy's skill but based on his "explanation" I can't help but think he would've been an awful teacher. I honestly think that this was a different time and everyone used traditional because everyone who played snare drum was traditional, although both styles have their advantages, and in the end it's all about the comfort of the player. Buddy loved traditional and hated matched, but when he explains it he sounds like a conceited ass. And while grip is important it shouldn't affect creativity, unless it's uncomfortable and fucks you up
He likely would've been a bad teacher because he never received formal music education. Even after he became well known he flat out refused to do it because he thought it would ruin his artistic style....so I guess buddy rich kind of earned his being an ass rights lol
Johnny TheMUSICmaN Jesus, sorry. I said nothing about jazz by the way I just don't think he really gave any explanation for why he likes traditional, the one you gave isn't that great either by the way please break it down for me oh, wise master of the drum set. You should write a book I'll totally buy it :3
RichardFilmoure fun fact, buddy actually made a video (which is still on TH-cam) explaining why he does prefer traditional to match grip. In short it comes down to his ability to move around the set
yes, it's a bit funny, He tells, Matched Grip is'nt pretty Good for playing the snare Drum, but all the people using it have anothee snare Drum Position.
no shit, he's a jazz drummer, his style requires you to do more rim shots (rim and skin at same time) and if you put it into modern position then it's harder to do having to drop your shoulders more which slows your rhythm.. most modern drummers dont incorporate the rim shot consistently like he does so thats why he has his drum positioned that way.. so if you wanna be able to do ALL styles not just one style then his drum is in the correct position, since its not used as much anymore is why everyone is used to seeing it positioned front down.. same reason drum lines have it angled flat or front up to make the rim shot easier and traditional grip. It was the style of the time.. so dont judge, appreciate what he did for his time and understand to him and so many before him, this was the correct way, just because they worry about drum rolls on the toms more these days, dont hate on the OG! Neither is wrong now a days, but for the drummer who wants to be good at every level and style, it IS the correct style! Not putting anything against people like neil peart, they just cant be compared, totally different styles!!
He actually did use matched occasionally but I think he was infinitely more comfortable playing traditional, having used it since he was 3 as Traps the Drum Wonder.
To those that say its hard to play matched grip with the way Buddy has his snare positioned if you think about it his right hand is holding the stick as you would with matched.Also to those that say traditional grip is superior wouldn't you hold both sticks the same (i.e. As Buddy holds his left hand stick)... Just curious
william weir I know what you mean. if the snare is tilted away from me, traditional makes sense, otherwise my left hand would hit the rim constantly. I think if you're a right handed drummer, the right hand (dominant hand) will adapt to any angle regardless of what the other hand is doing (same if you're a left handed drummer). Playing the right hand upturned like the left, it would make it very impractical to play the cymbals. I think traditional grip reflects the hands' purpose in a jazz setting: the dominant hand is the primary action (cymbal player, time keeper) and is held in a French grip to accommodate the widest amount of surfaces (for soloing or complicated fills). The weak hand is upturned for easier dragging across the toms and snare, and for easier ghost notes. But that might just be me rambling...
Most drummers only have a handful of licks ( Gadd probably has even fewer ; just wait to hear that ba, do, boom lick and you won't have to wait very long) but they just apply them in a few different ways.
Steve Fox BUT the drummers you wold hold up as great probably do not could not come close to the late great Buddy Rich talent AND Buddy could have taught himself a lot quicker to do what those you admire do than the other way around, trust those words I keyed in
EuriLochus He's not pretentious at all. He's confident in abilities he actually possesses. Pretentious: attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.
George Christiansen By your own provided definition of pretentious you confirmed he is EXACTLY that, even though you state the opposite. He is expressing greater importance/talent of using traditional grip over match grip as a drummer, when the fact is EVERYTHING he does here, and ever did, can be done equally as skilled using match grip. It's a matter of preference, not a matter of one is better than the other. Both grip styles can be equally as good by drummers with the proper skill levels. SO yes, he is pretentious. Not to say he isn't a drumming idol and damn good, and I get where he's coming from given the times and match being a newer thing and not the norm for the old-schoolers, but he is most definitely pretentious.
Oh the irony in this video. He makes fun of drummers who use matched grip, implies that all they do is snare roles and going around the toms and brags about how it is the extend of their creativity, and then he goes on playing pretty much the same solo he has done for decades, containing mostly snare roles and fast tom passages. Funnily enough, he often used matched grip himself when it suited him, especially on tom passages. There are entire solos where he mostly plays matched grip. So yeah, how about starting with yourself, buddy (Pun intended) ? Now don't get me wrong, Buddy Rich to this day is one of the greatest drummes who ever walked on earth, his speed and technique was incredible and unmatched. What he played on 3 a piece kit is better than what many modern metal drumers with double base and over the top kits can do. He was an absolute master in what he did. But he is an absolute arse beyond that. Sadly, he let his ego get the better of him over time, thinking he is the best and his way of playing is the only right one which kinda limited his drumming. As great as he was in what he did, he failed to realize that drumming isn't just about speed, complexity and showing off. He was like a machine with incredible skills, but to me, he sometimes laked a bit of a soul, the fealing for the music and the groove and so on. He could have been even better if he was a bit more open minded.
Edelweiss Buddy had limited musical sense and abilities. Up close and personal it was easy to get scorched by his ferocity. However listening deeper revealed a shallowness.
So its better to just take everything as it is or even worship it? Sorry, I'm not that kind of guy. Buddy is/was one of the best drummes who ever lived if not the best and isnpired generations of drummers, no doubt about that. And he stayed true to himself and his character during his career and didn't fake something, I give him that. Doesn't change the fact he was an arse, legend or not.
While I dont agree with him completely, I think learning traditional grip have its advantages too. Ive started playing traditional grip recently and it has improved my stick control and independence a lot. Learn as much techniques as possible, It opens up more possibilities to your playing
The only reason I don't agree with him is because I dismiss anyone who says any way to play drums is strait up "wrong" Ahah but also the way his kit is set up. I started as a trad player first when I was a kid then switched to match grip. It makes so little difference that I'll be half way through a song sometimes and realise I've switched grips 😂
I grew up using traditional grip because everyone did. Switched to match grip-- so much better. BTW the reason why traditional grip became standard was long before there were drum kits, drums were an instrument of war and 'drummers' wore their drums on a slant to their side.
I started trad, switched to matched. Around 2000 I lowered my hi-hat and started learning how to ride with the left hand so I didn't have to play with my arms crossed. Picked trad back up when I renewed my interest in playing swing because it just feels like the right way to play in that style. I did not, however, pick up a reverse trad so I could ride on the left; I kept it matched. The hardest thing was to get a good swing ride going in the left hand. What I wound up doing for practice was to put swing tunes on the headphones and sit there riding with *both* hands...the right hand actually taught the left; it made a difference in even just a few minutes.
Generally he did that when he was playing mostly on the toms. Makes sense, since traditional grip was designed to capitalize on the rebound from the snare, which you don't get so much on the toms.
+Ben Dawn-Cross Actually homie it was carried over from marching snare. When snare drummers had to wear their snares on a diagonal strap it had a natural tilt so they had to invent the traditional grip to accommodate I. :)
+Alberto Patino Yeah, I know that, but one reason that some find it hard to use against a kit is because it works best against surfaces with a higher rebound capacity, such as a snare. Guys in Buddy's day usually had all of their drums, including their toms, tuned pretty high, so it wasn't an issue, but these days toms are gnerally tuned lower, so the rebound isn't quite as potent.
For about 3 seconds at 1:15, he does what was a signature sound of Narada Michael Walden's during his time with the Mahavishnu Orchestra. It's ferocious.
His playing was ahead of its time, and probably remains so, but his attitude was very much of its time, and that of a snob to boot. I'd never abide him as someone to play with, but I admire him as a player.
I love the shear aggression and power in this solo, it screams of i'm the best even if there was a tiny miss hit. It also proves that you don't need a huge kit or to throw your arms around like a baboon to drum up a storm. Back in the day he knew he was the greatest and time and again he would stamp his masterful authority all over the drum kit . To this day his presence can be felt and drummers world wide still honer him as the ultimate drummer that will never be equaled
It's mostly other musicians that still think he's some great drummer. Drummers have moved on. He isn't creative, and not being able to play a big kit well isn't a strength. This is a video where he is trying to show how he is better than everyone else and he still makes a big mistake he can't hide.
john bonham & ian paice played small kits with bug drums like their idol buddy rich. also ric lee of ten years after(listen to "hobbit" from TYA live). buddy was & will always be the yardstick of drumming!
Every single video I've watched of Buddy Rich is nothing but a video of him showing off his speed. Not once have a felt the urge to tap my foot or felt a groove. Play a fuckin' beat once in a while.
You must not watch/listen to much Buddy Rich in that case. There are times you wouldn't even be able to tell that he's the drummer on a track because he doesn't take big solos or crazy fills. Perfect example is when he plays brushes on "Ballade" with Bird and Hawkins. Perhaps his most popular videos are of his solos, but you need to actually do your research my dude! Listen to groovin' hard, where we doesn't take a solo, but still completes his masterpiece with a driving groove and tasteful fills.
Not a very convincing argument. He deliberately plays shitty when demonstrating match grip. If it was superior then why wouldn't you hold both sticks like the left hand in traditional grip? It's not like the right and left hands are different structurally. Hands match and so should the grip. Mic drop!
He wasn't saying that the hand was different. He was saying that the roles they play when drumming on a full kit are distinctly different from each other. His point was when you hold your sticks with a match grip, the left stick gets in the way of the right stick when you're trying to move around the kit a lot like he does. When you play guitar your hands do different things but both of your hands are still the same structurally.
+Crimson Sunrise I disagree w/ one part of your statement. The vice versa. I have never seen a drummer consistently ride w/ that traditional left-hand grip.
This is interesting to me because I recently switched to Trad grip ( have osteoarthritis in my left shoulder and it actually hurts to play matched now). I find I lost some of my old tricks making the change, fast around the tom fills are harder for me now. That being said I learned how to approach the drums differently, my fills are more snare centered now and I use a 4 piece kit because I find I don't need a bunch of toms to express myself. I also learned more about brush work and I'm convinced Trad Grip is the way to go for that. You can gat more nuanced motions going on the snare with Trad and brushes.
Buddy Rich is basically like my music teacher my music teacher believes that the only way to play bass is by using your fingers and basically treat us pick players as if we're breaking a sin
Nothing wrong with a pick, it gives a different tone and more potential speed. Many bassists are against it because they are traditionalists, no other reason.
That kind of absolutist bullshit gives all music instructors a bad name. "finger's joints problem"? No such thing. Oh, the wacky stuff you read on the internet. I think the most impressive pick player I've ever heard is Roger Waters.
He unintentionally hit his stick. I say unintentionally because usually, everything Buddy did was with extreme precision and purpose. I can hardly believe the -man- machine actually made a mistake, but he did.
May 1969 Chicago . I saw the Buddy Rich Orchestra open for THE WHO (1 st Tommy tour) . I was 25 feet away from 2 of my favorite players. And I still have a pair of Keith s sticks from that show !
@@cleorivas6098 Style , no. Attack , yes. Keith and Buddy respected each other. Both put the drums up front,in your face. Not just in the rhythm section but as lead players. I saw the Who 12 times with Keith. I saw Buddy once. Everyone has their faves but these 2 brought that " dangerous magic" to the gig. Take Care
Buddy Rich seemed like an anti-modernist that didn't like the way music was always evolving. He was a great drummer, but an unreliable critic. I don't dislike him, cause I think he's being a dick, but because he seemed to have dated views on music that he'd enforce so strongly. Music wouldn't be nearly as interesting today, if it was embodiment of Buddy Rich's ideals.
What do you mean, tho? Barring the stick grip, music has gone down the tubes man! Where's the nearest jazz club or big band show in your town, if any! We have a so called music industry full of "entertainers" rather than musicians. Don't berate me for being general here but it's true! The industry is heavily skewered toward bubble gum performance pop than actual raw musical intellect and talent for creating. Corporate execs whip up these simple tunes for simple minds and grab some fresh face off the street and tells them what to do, what to wear, what to sing and how to sing it! The instrumentation is an afterthought. I can go on and on about this, you see it in every genre whether it's country, hip hop, metal, punk...it's all been severely dumbed down and so far gone from it's roots that it's just a shallow, pale version of the glory of yester years.
Birds in the Ground is the single greatest rock album of the century, and that came out in '05. and a lot of big band is boring trash. honestly, music has been the same for centuries, and will continue to be the same for centuries longer. lots of shit, a little shine.
I've learn both grips, but the reason anybody plays that way is because it was necessary to do so in military snare drumming which came long before the drum kit and it was perceived as the only Technic at the time and carried over into drum kit playing
Mike Oneill From this video and all his asshole fanboys im kinda glad he is too. It’s FUCKEN art not the Olympic Games Half these asshats are all “faster is better” or whatever but when I live my life this prick ain’t in the soundtrack I assure you.
I made a Watch Msuic please subscribe for more Someone good enough at drumming could definitely do the entire solo he just played using match stick grip. His argument for it was terrible. I use the term argument loosely, because he didn’t even really have an argument. He’s a really good drummer, but he’s clearly a delusional about his preferred grip. He should’ve just said “This is just the grip I use because it’s what I’m comfortable with.” It’s about what’s comfortable for you. You’re not gonna be better because you use one grip over another.
I can't believe the comments I'm reading. Everyone, on both sides, needs to chill the fuck out. I use matched grip but Buddy is more than entitled to his opinion. It's Buddy Fucking Rich, who are we to tell him he's wrong?
Way ahead of his time . There was a reason why he was the best of that time and its because I feel that he didn't conform to what others thought was the norm. Mr Rich earned his respect.
Also, he literally did his childhood growing up and drum practice on stage in front of people as a kid. He was a child vaudeville star of his day. He had supreme confidence as a performer due to this. I dont think there will ever be a situation where somebody will get to grow up in those circumstances again.
well this video was taken early 80s. and we DO know how legends feel about change. if you can't adapt then it's bad. if it wasn't their idea then is bad. music is art. there are many ways of expressing art. if there wasn't, only one artist would be famous..
"how legends feel about change" Mary Lou Williams went from playing pre-swing jazz to playing bebop. Johnny Guitar Watson went from playing '40s-style R&B to playing '70s funk. The Beatles went from "She Loves You" to "A Day In The Life." Not all greats happen to be closed-minded fools like Buddy here.
The Apprentice takes the easy and makes it look difficult while the Master takes the impossible and makes it look easy! Neil Peart regarding Buddy Rich RIP BUDDY AND PROFESSOR!
To everyone sucking buddy and saying he's right just remember, he wasn't even using match grip right he was using french timpani grip. and his snare was way too close for match grip to work. I'm not saying traditional is bad, all I'm saying is buddy was criticizing a grip he clearly doesn't know how to use
French grip is still match grip. French, American, German..as long as you're holding the stick the same way it's considered matched. The position of your palm (which is the only difference in those three grips) is the only difference.
Don't forget also that rich always had his snare tilted so that it was angled away from his body...try playing match grip with that type of snare set up.It's REALLY uncomfortable...so he really had his drums set up to accommodate his favorite grip.That doesn't mean the grip itself is better.
+Tracy S I'm left handed but my teacher didn't care so I learned the " right handed" traditionnal grip, don't want to start over, useless for me, match grip it is...
+Tracy S I'm the exact same, I had to completely re-learn how to play the drums efficiently because I switched, but it was all completely worth it. It's even better amongst people who use matched grip, as you look kind of pretentious which is always a fun bonus.
"Buddy Rich when I fly off the handle!" -Beastie Boys, Sabotage. "Let's go outside and I'll show you what it's like!" -Seinfeld, from the Buddy Rich Bus Tapes. The man made a mark.
Had Buddy first learned matched grip, he'd be making exactly the opposite statement. There are countless amazingly impressive examples in both camps. Fundamentally it's not about the sticks are held. It's about the talent, skill, and dedication of the person holding them.
What are you stupid, dumb or both? I would guess....BOTH! If you have a just a little bit of knowledge about the diversity of music styles, you'll notice, that jazz playing requires traditional grip in order to implement the necessary emotion, feeling, and freedom that it requires. Other forms of music like rock for example require an overhanded grip to impose power and a strong back beat, since the drummer is locked into the rhythm.
Johnny TheMUSICmaN Ah, but now you've turned grip style into an "apples to oranges" stylistic comparison. Traditional may be better for certain styles, but you've also just conceded that matched grip is better for others. If A is not ALWAYS better than B, then any blanket statement about its superiority is rendered false. Besides, most of the great Jazz players learned traditional in the first place, so naturally their expression is best presented that way, but it's either ignorant or arrogant to presume that, if somebody only learns matched grip, they'll never have adequate finesse or expression just because they don't walk in the same footsteps as those who came before. By the way, in the context of your opening question (the insult that contributed nothing constructive to the conversation), "dumb" and "stupid" are synonymous, so if somebody is one, then that person is automatically both. Thus, the question itself is stupid. Anybody who would ask the question...is.
OmniphonProductions Your comment statement is reflective of your own personal terminological inexactitude, that most assuredly dwells within your deranged psyche; and, speaks of the confused and convoluted state of mind that surely had generated this disparity. The lack of neuronal, axon, and synapse connectivity that constitutes rational thought processes is void in your case. This diffuse dysfunction is spurred by the brains' hypothalamus, and may have originated by sequential hormonal over-saturation, a physical structural displacement abnormality at birth, and a genetic predisposition. A brain scan will reveal most or all of your illness. Best of luck.
Johnny TheMUSICmaN Well, I suppose if one is going to contribute a comment that is utterly lacking in any substantive content, one should at least make it interesting. Kudos! That was, without a doubt, the coolest and most intelligent-sounding nothing I've ever read.
OmniphonProductions Since my previous statement may have been misunderstood and misconstrued by you because it may have been well beyond your capacity to comprehend, I'll simplify it for you. Your previous comment was completely incoherent and utterly ignorant. In all probability, it was scripted by a person (you), with a confused state of mind, and/or a limited capacity for thought. Of course my pseudo-intellectual moronic friend; as someone who espouses to writing lackluster contextual statements of meaningless rhetoric, you surely must be the expert. The descriptive term: 'Substantive", is beyond your interpretation. Stick with the analogy: "Nothing"...It sounds much more like you and the nonsensical stupidity that you post.
It's important to note that Buddy thought highly of the skill level of Keith Moon, and as we all know, Moonie used the match grip. Although no drummer in history could surpass Rich's speed of hand, one could argue that Moon was the Buddy Rich of rock drummers.
He said "The drum way"..WTF? He created his own term. For a guy that sweated so much, why did he wear sweaters? If I was playing and the sweat was dripping from my nose, I think I would dress lighter the next time.
i have no idea how good anything is, i only know that buddy rich is what i'm looking up to when i want to listen to a good drum solo. but in this particular video something else blew me away: the superb capture of the audio itself. this sounds so intense. the bass feels like bass, the rest is so dynamic on top of it. why is almost everything else not recorded like this. this just feels superior audio-wise. is it because of the compressor they used back then? they used one, whatever technique it was. you can hear it when buddy immediately starts talking after a demonstration in the beginning in the video. his voice is very low for a split second... or is that just a compressor on voice only.... i might be wrong nonetheless. but the drum audio is addicting.
I for one am not a drummer, so I look at this as simply, Holy crap this guy is good. I read up a bit on him , sure he had a ego and was a bit of a pain in the backside but you never know what is going on in someone's life. The guy could play the drums like a beast and still slow it down, he came from a time when it wasn't what it is today. He as is anyone today entitled to his opinion even when he has passed on ...
Mini bike good points AND BUDDY was a quick study learn AND had more style flair AND grace than the best of best today, plus the quality of equipment just in the last 10yrs is outrageously advanced AND helps the drummers sound AND skills AND amplification also helps in sound quality etc
This is one of the very few things I completely disagree on. I don't know if it's because that's how Buddy played or if he just isn't able to do match grip as good as what he always uses. You can kinda get that sense about him being stuck on tradional grip because he refers to match grip users as "kids" and he also literally suggested there is no creativity in that. I believe that was a very arrogant statement. Ironically enough, he once said that you shouldn't try play like any other drummer yet here we are being told there is no creativity if we don't play like him. Listen, I love Buddy Rich's playing style and he deserve all the respect in that regard. His is certainly legendary, but even legends are wrong about things. There are many drummers today that strictly use matched grip and they can easily get around the kit just as fast and with just as much ease. He probably would have ended up changing his mind about that had he lived long enough to see drummers today using match grip. There is also a unique historical difference for using traditional grip verses matched grip. Marching snare drums are no longer tilted over the shoulder and snare drums on the drumset are no longer tilted at an angle anymore, either. Once again, I have great respect for Buddy Rich, but I disagree with what he says in this video.
The irony is when he criticizes drummers that use match grip for doing rolls and fills...Then the video cuts to him doing the same things he criticized match grip drummers for.
While yes he can play this fast simplistic standard snare to tom fill, if you watch he is playing tons of different stick rudiments throughout with blazing speed. Say what you want about his attitude but the guy chops wise was an elite player.
@buck ewer he wasn't just about speed, the way he could play all the drum rudiments is incredible and when he played with a big band he always complimented the music with all kinds of creativity. Believe me he blows away a lot of even today's drummers, but a lot of today's drummers were definitely influenced by him. My drum teacher years ago actually met him and he's told me many stories of him. The guy was a very gifted and very practiced drummer in all ways around the kit.
both Ringo and Lars were perfect for their respective bands but that’s where it stops. Ringo or Lars have not advanced their skills at all, they’re playing at the same skill level they started with.
I used to idolize him until he came to Mt. Hood Community College in the early 80's. He proceeded to explain how every genre of music that he didn't perform was SHIT. R&B, Soul, Pop, and ESPECIALLY Country & Western. "The people who do this kind of of music are simple and unimaginative." He went on and on about how if you can't play jazz or classical you're not really respecting your craft. He literally scoffed at the notion of Hip-Hop being taken seriously. "A bunch of kids going 'Hippity Skippity Bippity Boop' is garbage!" were his words. It wasn't so much that he held these opinions as it was his honest and visible HATRED of people unlike him. He was a pompous, intolerant, purist ASSHOLE but he sure could play!!!!
Jimmy not moronic just not well thought out in Buddy's word choice, he made a bad comment about country music in early 70's that was not thought out well, but he actually was humble much of the time but a hard driving band leader as I am sure you have read seen heard, some I am sure he would have taken back redo type situation, I met and watched listened all my life and he was a good man w/some short falls @ times, RIP BUDDY RICH!
Either grip works. It's a matter of choice and comfort and results. When I'm jammin out on the snare I like traditional, moving aroumd the toms I like matched. Depending on what Im doing I choose the grip I like best. It's a matter of opinion tomato tomahto potato potahto
I use matched grip as I was never in a marching band (though I wish I'd had the opportunity) but I have to recognised that one of the greatest rock drummers of all time, Carl Palmer uses traditional grip.
Funny some of the comments on here. I'm drumming now for about 55 years. I can only say this regarding Traditional grip or matched grip. After seeing Buddy in person 3 X and seeing countless videos , I've never seen ANYONE with more technique, finesse, power,speed and musicality than Buddy. I've also seen all the greats,Elvin, Blakey , Roach, Williams, Papa Jo Cole,Krupa, ,Cobham, Baker, Mitchell, Weckl, Coliuta, Lang, Donati, Chambers, Smith,Bozzio, Phillips etc. Most of the greats seem to play traditional grip. Now that does not mean matched grip does not work. I play strictly matched grip and i'm able to play most of what I want using this grip. But i do have to say that traditional grip does seem to produce many of the greats of drumming, and if Buddy said he believes it is a superior grip who am I to say anything against the finest drummer ever? One other point i'd like to make, I met Buddy 2 times and he was very nice and helpful when I spoke with him about the drumzz, he was FAAAR from arrogant, and when I met him he had many people that wanted to shake his hand and speak with him,he was gracious to all. So some of the comments made about him are coming from people that never met him. I wonder how nice Tony Williams, Billy Cobham? John Bonham? How about Ginger Baker? were to there fans?
Deagledrumzz Joe Morello. Also the drummers you mention are mostly jazz. There was a signed photo of Simon Philips which I saw everyday and he is playing matched grip. I am sure he plays both. Bill Ward from Black Sabbath matched grip, John Bonham from Led Zeppelin matched grip, Roger Taylor from Queen matched grip and the best example Ian Paice from Deep Purple matched grip. I rest my case.
This BUDDY RICH video shouldn't have any negative comments. Everyone that doesn't understand what the greatest drummer in history is saying should sell their drums and quit playing for ever!
I use both and certain grips are good for certain musical styles in my opinion. I guess that's just his character but Buddy's explanation in this is just rubbish. I'd hope that if he saw some of the great drummers today using matched grip he'd have a different opinion.
I have both CDs, Tribute To Buddy Rich. While there are other good drummers, none came very close to Buddy's style. Let us know when you're on The Tonight Show! :-)
“Traditional grip is better because it lets me flail my arms around the kit in no musical fashion but to merely show how cool I am. Oh, and music is a competition and I’m winning.” - Boomer Rich 1765
Grip is all about the angles of the surfaces you play on. The reason traditional grip came about is because marching snare drummers had primitive straps that angled their snare drum down to the right side so they could play and march at the same time and an overhand grip in the left hand would have been extremely awkward given the height of the left side of the drum. Set drummers like Buddy Rich positioned their drums, particularly their snare drums to comfortably accommodate traditional grip. As drum sets grew in size and included more playing surfaces to the left side many drummers moved to matched grip and modified the angles of their snare drum to better accommodate matched grip. People like Billy Cobham and Mike Magini have certainly demonstrated extreme technical prowess using matched grip.
And most of Motown radio hits recorded by jass drummers using traditional grip. And now - Traditional grip is alive and very well - thank you for checking in my Friend! ❤️🌞🥁 th-cam.com/video/d2-xo0ijbUk/w-d-xo.html
Just my 2 cents, but my grandfather, (a jazz drummer) palled around with Rich in the day. He was the same way as Rich when it came to matched grip and modern musical styles because they felt it wasnt music since it wasn't jazz. Not saying they are right, but wanted to offer some insight into how folks like them thought. Remember, as some pointed out the drum kit was still a fairly new thing and the old timers felt they had the right to call out the right way to do things. Again, not defending that attitude, just my personal insights growing up among folks like him.
In an interview, Louis Bellson explains that todays drummers use way too much tape, and muffs on their sets. He was a straight up drummer with no room for modification of equipment. Still, it is a drummer's option. The old guys did not give in to anything "new."
Jim Buck That is exactly what Bellson said. I am with you on that "guilty as charged" statement. I found heads also played a big part in that tuning. I changed several heads, particularly the bass. Thanks for your point Jim.
Jim Buck Hey guys, completely agree with you! ...As long as you have a 'decent' acoustic environment. I have my set in a college house basement, with concrete on three walls. The overtones are BAD. I have a tympanic pressure tuner I have slaved over, and use remo pinstripes on all my toms and an Evans HD Dry for my snare, and a remo powersonic 2 for bass and I can't get away with a sound I like without at least some foamcore tape on my resonant heads of my toms. I've always had the worst luck tuning my toms to sound natural and bright, without the ringing, snare-vibrating overtones, and copious amounts of tape. Any pointers outside of thicker shells?
Jim Buck Yeh, Jim, I love the Aquarians for my bass too. I had those self adhesive bass head muffs on mine at first, and when they fell off, I became thrilled with the sound. Thanks for the snare input, I am gonna try the Evans HD for myself.
I don't even play the drums, but to my experience drummers I worked with did this primarily because when miking up the drum kit the resonance from the drums would create a hum that would cause feedback; this was especially a problem in certain rooms with lots of natural echo.
ICDogg1 I've noticed on some older jazz recordings the drum sound is pretty full and deep and I've wondered how they've gotten that sound without using close mics if that's what they were doing. I wonder if it's because they didn't use any muffling on the toms.
Buddy Rich was a great player, modern drummers are indebted to him. But he was a victim of his own success that fed his ego. He was unable to appreciate anything that went beyond himself, Chet Atkins, one example anyone who did not fit into Buddy Riches style of playing and genre. I wouldn't take his advice seriously unless you just want to be a cheap knock off of Buddy Rich.
Even the way he said "shit" matched the tempo.
You caught that too. Wasn't it cool!!! I love Buddy.
Gražvydas Dimbelis you clearly weren’t following
I can t do a lot of what Buddy can do BUT I can say shi* as good or BETTER than he can . Thank you Buddy !!
I was saying shit as a kid by the time I put in my Gladwell 10 thousand hours I had moved on to "Fuck Balls". Good to see Buddy remembered the basics.
He literally kept the “shit” within the triplet feel 😂
Hi Buddy, I think the problem is the angle of your snare drum, it would be very tricky to play match grip like that. Try angling it a bit flatter and try again. Hope you post another video showing your progress.
Not heard of this guy but he seems pretty talented, I hope his career takes off soon!
All the best
Nelson
tututuims ieijebdo wooooossshhhh
tututuims ieijebdo - Film cinematography has also been dead for years.
That is funny, I would say you have been around for a long time
Nelson Sweatyballs I cringed so hard reading this
@@vandanasharma9997 I believe he died in 1987 - I remember where I was when I heard the news.
"aggh, SHIT" - Buddy Rich
"lets go outside and i'll show you what its like" :P
i enjoyed it too
Love how he says it in time.
Carl Palmer The Sheriff intro
Way back in the day, when I was in 8th grade, first year playing jazz. We were doing the annual jazz festival at our school for all of west washington. I had the solo after the break in night in tunisia. It was my first year playing jazz so my director Matt Armstrong, one of the best music teachers in the world, had me transcribe a solo from north texas jazz band. I worked at it for months til it was as perfect as an 8th grader could get it.
So here we are, day of the gig, were up there playing and my hearts goin 200 mph, we get to the part right before the break where theres that unison descending triads part, and I'm fumbling around with the mic trying to find the on switch, not realizing the sound guys had control over that. The break happens and I freeze. Dead air and I went " awww SHIT" right into the mic, which unbeknownst to me, was on.
As embarrassing as it was, I never screwed up a solo after that again, and I realized that was probably the worst thing I'd ever do onstage. To this day, if I get butterflies before performing I think of that and laugh and it calms me right down.
Scary part is even played at half speed his drumming is stupid fast
I find you on the weirdest videos dude
With perfect separation between notes
Uhm billy Cobham? And billy had the better posture then buddy
@@ciabound Billy was very good but nobody was a match for Buddy not even Neil or Carl. Not Bonzo or Keith either.
@@mikereiss4216 bruh billy smashes every single drummer you listed
This is basically him just saying,"traditional grip is right because that's what I use and I'm buddy rich."
Yeah. There are plenty of great solos by drummers who use matched grip.
I am playing the drums for 35 years now. Traditional grip is the way for me. Sure, you can do great solos with matched grip, not going to argue with that. But, like the man says, traditional gives you more flexibility, especially with drum rolls. But let's not split hairs and enjoy this video :).
I just watched a video of him in the 60's doing a solo in matched grip.
yeah, not like his. and not even the one here, which is very subdued for him, actually
Yeah, he's even got that mad angle on his snare to accommodate for traditional grip (which only exists because of the slant slings gave marching snares), which makes it impossible for him to use match.
They're actually completely equal, they strike the drum identically. That's why these modern drum corps are able to use it, despite a demand for extreme precision with every stroke (something jazz doesn't necessarily demand).
Why is traditional grip better? Here watch me demonstrate how hard it is to play around a kit with matched grip, ignoring the fact that my kit is ergonomically set up for traditional.
most of the people here aren't drummers... or are just people that sit down, play a beat and think they are drummers. real drummers are living a life within rhythm and beat. it doesn't stop when they leave the throne. however, no one here seems to recognize that the old hardware on those sets were junk... he developed his style, n every drummer produces their set up to be within their own abilities and demands. buddy rich demanded the most style and speed. functional style, not just flash and glam... so obviously his drumset is set up to his style and needs. he didn't have a rack system... most of the old mounts were one position and that was it. no ball joints... they were extremely limiting, so you developed around that to get the most out of it that you could.
@@treatb09Good point.
I hugged a bee once...
@@treatb09 when referring to the older kits, are you talking about drum hardware when buddy rich first started playing drums, or the state of drum hardware in 1977 when this was recorded?
@@tonedoctagon until about the mid 80's hardware wasn't really capable of handling aggression. the expertise buddy has isn't just speed, but he won't hit a cymbal hard enough that the stand collapses. aggressive drummers will break their stands because they can't slow dow in the moment right before hitting the cymbal. speed isn't everything.
@TH-cam Türkiye Müdür real musicians don't measure themselves by how someone else is/was. sure we develop speed, but its not to be buddy rich.... i'm not sitting in front of a crowd demonstrating his technique to say, " hey guys, i'm like buddy rich..." i wrote my own style and developed it since i was a natural drummer. basically a prodigy, but i quit drums 14 years ago. played guitar for 12, and wanted to play drums again. i still can play things more complicated than most people could ever learn, and its natural to me. what does that matter though? its just that i don't have that stamina to be able to skate 8 hours a day, play drums 6 hours straight anymore... i do have some of the best drums ever made though, and i have learned a certain care that i replaced with technicality when i was younger.
When I was young, I asked my drum teacher if I should learn traditional grip. He asked "are you planning on playing in a marching band, with your snare at your side?" I said no... and he said "then there's no point learning traditional."
I still think he's right.
I’m glad you understand this. I’ve had countless arguments about the same thing with die hard traditional grip players.
My favorite one is Thomas Lang saying basically that "I started learning traditional, because I had played matched grip my whole life and I wanted a challenge." Or something like that.
@@Nmdixon-cu7vm it’s a matter of personal preference for me, I play both matched and traditional on drumset and I think they both have their perks!
And that's why George Bernard Shaw said, "He who can, does. He who can't, teaches." I think I will go with Buddy on this one.
@@mc76 That quote is nonsense, as it implies no one who is successful would also teach.
In music, that isn't the case. I've had two drum teachers, and both didn't teach for the money, but because they loved teaching. They both made plenty of money in the industry playing in well known bands.
And, just because you excel at something, doesn't necessarily mean you'll teach it well. Buddy Rich is self-evidently a top tier drummer, but his ergonomics are damaging.
If you prefer traditional grip, you don't need Buddy Rich to back you, but his comments about not having the room with matched grip are nonsense.
"Those damn teens with their matched grips and their pants all hangin down need to get off my damn lawn!"
Ok boomer
@@drummeralbertrivera9577 ....Of course he's a boomer...cause he plays the drums....Ha, Ha, Ha.....Get it..????
greatbyrondo Yup!
Hahaha
Once I started playing a drum set I stopped playing Trad grip. I read an article but I think it was Terry Bozzio interview and he talked about trying to play the tom-toms that were on his left that he couldn't actually hit playing traditional grip. Matched grip opens up the drum set if you have a lot of drums.
Traditional grip is a necessity if you have the snare angled down, away from you as most jazz drummers have always done. That tradition was inherited from marching drums where you braced the drum against your leg as you walked. Most modern rock drummers have compensated for this by simply tilting the snare back towards them which makes the more comfortable matched grip just as easy to employ 😊
I play matched grip and have my snare angled away from me. But I play grind core and black metal. The angle helps with rebound for blast beats.
@@boobtubenoob7061 : that's an interesting take on it. Do you have it sit a little lower to compensate?
Thanks for explaining without being a disrespectful asshole like the rest of the turds on this comment board.
@@ErickC no actually! I used to sit pretty low as I felt it allowed me to get more power out of the bass drum and I’d have my snare flat, but as I’ve moved towards faster playing I’ve raised my seat so my knees are very slightly lower than my hips and angled the snare away, it also gives more volume in the snare cos I get near enough a rim shot automatically with every hit.
And I haven’t lost much, if any power in the kick tbh.
Buddy Rich is correct. When I go fishing I always use traditional grip on the rod. It just feels more natural. Kids these days know nothing.
*Snorts a tablespoon of plant food*
@@musopaul5407 Dude same! Did we have the same one?
The trick is to always keep the fish on a fulcrum
🤣🤣🤣
Wasn't expecting the plant food punchline.
Neither was my keyboard, nor the floor next to my desk, which is where most of the coffee that came out of my mouth and nose ended up upon reading your comment.
Chapeau, good sir.
(Guffaws)
Well that clears that up.
Thanks for the laugh!
What is this man doing here
Buddy rich:" modern drummers only go brrrrr"
Buddy rich: does the exact same
“That’s the extent of their imagination” *proceeds to do nothing but play super fast and just hit in different places* (the follow string of shit you will see in this comment section is some of the most fun I have ever had in the cesspool that is TH-cam comments)
Apothe Curio LMAO nice job summing up drumming in a sentence mate. “Just hit in different places”. Yeah, thats called drumming buddy. Nice job trying to bash him with your straight up horse-shit though.
Apothe Curio LOL that solo was fucking sick. Not even an actual solo of his anyways, but if youre gonna tell me that that solo sucked then youre just full of shit
Apothe Curio Imagine calling fucking buddy rich an “uncreative drummer”. Even if youre just saying that this one solo was “uncreative”, then your whole argument is pointless anyways.
Apothe Curio ok
I'm so sorry for him never founding the snare stand's wingnut.
Ikr
Very underrated post. Forty eight likes is way too low
This needs more likes
hahaha good one
LMAO
The only correct grip is the one you feel most comfortable using......imho.
Wiser InTime gotta be a jerk to get tha chicks
Stevie Ross the only correct answer.
totalmente !!!!
True, it's just that it's hard to reach around the drums with cross.
I agree with you on that issue,whatever way you feel most comfortable with.
I met Buddy in Minneapolis at a concert and was a devoted fan. He was the greatest...however, he was WRONG on the matched grip vs. the traditional grip. The traditional grip developed from marching with a drum and tipping the snare so it wouldn't bang against your leg and forced you to hold the left hand through the fingers to hit the drum easier.
A matched grip can get around the left or right side faster and easier than an un-natural traditional grip. Buddy simply played that way all his life and could have done it just as well or better if he started with matched.
+jamieseiple You're absolutely right.
I agree with you jamieseiple. When I started watching this video, although Buddy Rich is my drum god, I disagree with his assertion that all you can do is, essentially 32nd note rolls around the drums, with matched grip
I don't see why you can't play with the same dynamics and expression with match grip, that he does with traditional grip
Matched grip dynamics and expression just requires fine finger control, just like traditional grip does
+jamieseiple Even though how good he was, and even I think trad grip has it's uses, his statements here are just bs. Apart from his incredible skills he was known for his huge ego and being a dick.
this is one of the drummers that Neil Peart idolized. Neil used both the traditional grip and the matched grip, depending on what he was doing. I've seen him switch back and forth multiple times in one song.
Neil started using some matched grip later in his career as a way of reinventing himself. There's a good video on TH-cam in which he talks a bout it -- search "neil peart matched grip"
Same with me.
That bit where he says "but you can't do the same thing up here on the snare drum" is the ultimate no-explanation explanation 0:16
The irony about that statement, as myself and my drum teacher were discussing, is that actually playing traditional grip initially limits what you can do, as opposed to match grip. I suspect Buddy just had his snare drum too close for a match grip roll to work effectively. However, Buddy was growing up in a world where the drumkit was being invented, and loads of people went from drumline to drumkit, hence why practically everyone up until the British Invasion used traditional grip
+x1StapleGun Traditional grip isn't even for drummers, as you know it is used in marching bands. Matched grip is more versatile, even percussionists prefer it to the traditional one, and more natural, just give a pair of sticks to a little kid.
Roberto Ricci yeah. However, I don't know why, but using traditional grip better suits using brushes and/or playing Motown
Traditional grip suits certain styles. I've heard jazz played with matched and there's something about it, the snare dynamics aren't right. A good drummer personally would learn to use both because they can both be damn useful at points
Don Williamson Yeah, that works. And like I said, I play traditional when playing motown
+Roberto Ricci It's good for jazz in that the angle in traditional grip, you can have the tip very close to the surface of the snare. It makes it good for those light dynamics on the snare in jazz. You can learn to do this with matched grip but its probably naturally easier to be able to get those dynamics with traditional grip.
I love this guy and the right way to remember him is with a pinch of salt. He was stubborn in thought but valuable in lesson. Everyday we meet bull headed people but their value on us is our ability to extract the bigger lesson for us. Buddy gave a foolish critique against the matched "timpani" technique when he forgot to mention that his snare was positioned slanted precisely because of his preference for a left handed traditional grip and that if any matched grip player would adjust their own set according to their own technique. He also remarkably doesn't even consider any other drummers choice or free will when it comes to their way of expressing themselves on a rather confirmative and over formulated instrument. For example of match grip suited you physically then that's all the reason in the world to use this method. I mean it's you on the set, if you were to conform to another's model you'd lose your own significance in another's ideal for the instrument. I mean why play at all if you were only to practice what others expected of you irrespective of your own preferences and feelings on the matter. Your journey, your will. Learn from the community but play it your way in the end. Look at what has since transpired in the drum community. Today some of the most celebrated drummers are heavy metal ones. Exactly the kind Buddy rich would have despised but this proves him wrong. He forgot the ears of the listener. We want all of it. Straight, swung, standard , odd, heavy light etc. All of which are valid musical devices any musician can willfully express without concern for rule of thought. Music born from self expression first, kept alive by study and adherence second
i ain’t reading all that🤣
@@danielafonseca1873 listen bro, honestly I'm ok with that but I have to respond to you though by mentioning: never have I EVER, I repeat, EVER felt the need to share a lack of want to read any comment in any thread because it was too long or lengthy as such. Any response I've ever shared was directly corresponding to the topic or theme at hand. Never have I felt motivated to imply criticism of length of speech or opinion from others as of that were a considerate or legitimate response to the over arching topic on focus. Top often I've received such disregard. Fine if you don't want to read it but I disagree with the need from anyone to dislike my attempts at conversation just because it's lengthy. Judge merit and not superficial. Mind you, I'm not against you, more so the people who like what you said, they just following you me thinks
Yapfest
@@sambarnett2410 ah sure, it's the internet. Why not. Whose gonna stop me
@@sambarnett2410 one last response, but I did like your comment just so you know(the like was from me), read much? My essay is for whom it may concern. The comment section space allows it. Your comment is for whom though? Me? Don't think so. You address nothing from my comment. For passing lay persons to join in mocking long texts? I think this is the case but I wouldn't be proud of gaining a few passive likes from a few passer by folk let's say in a month's time looking back. I am proud though to read and revisit lengthy speeches I've made that later on found traction when finally considered by more serious viewers. My comments of older have shown my like ratio and positive responses count go up considerably. This essay is still too new for that but my history has given me confidence to stand firm and contribute to the forums. We both will see whose comment has more likes in a few months. Your first like is from me btw
"You can't play properly with match grip... see?"
*intentionally plays terribly because he knows it is quite possible to play with match grip*
Sam that is true BUT you know for the MST part that trad cradle martial arts grip is more difficult to learn AND has benefits including once one becomes comfortable wth it in execution you can always or almost so mix in much easier matched grip
Reminds me of my old drum teacher. He showed me that you cannot have good volume control with heel up by literally slamming the beater into the bass drum as hard as he could 🤣
That's what your boyfriend said too, about your slammed bass drum...!
It's soo funny! "You can't...*clangs around the drum kit*...play anything"
''Not quite my tempo.'' (Buddy Rich leaps out the screen and punches me in the face)
Alexander Brown were you rushing or were you dragging?
Alexander Brown super
1 2 3 Slap 4: Was I rushing or dragging
Don’t ever tell him “good job”. He’ll decapitate you with a cymbal.
Alexander Brown haha
I don't doubt Buddy's skill but based on his "explanation" I can't help but think he would've been an awful teacher. I honestly think that this was a different time and everyone used traditional because everyone who played snare drum was traditional, although both styles have their advantages, and in the end it's all about the comfort of the player. Buddy loved traditional and hated matched, but when he explains it he sounds like a conceited ass. And while grip is important it shouldn't affect creativity, unless it's uncomfortable and fucks you up
He likely would've been a bad teacher because he never received formal music education. Even after he became well known he flat out refused to do it because he thought it would ruin his artistic style....so I guess buddy rich kind of earned his being an ass rights lol
Johnny TheMUSICmaN Jesus, sorry. I said nothing about jazz by the way I just don't think he really gave any explanation for why he likes traditional, the one you gave isn't that great either by the way please break it down for me oh, wise master of the drum set. You should write a book I'll totally buy it :3
RichardFilmoure fun fact, buddy actually made a video (which is still on TH-cam) explaining why he does prefer traditional to match grip. In short it comes down to his ability to move around the set
batman32451 can't find it...link please and thank you?
RichardFilmoure Buddy Rich on why he doesn't use match grip: th-cam.com/video/v0V4Aqs2D48/w-d-xo.html
I was lucky enough to have been taken to see this man by my father - more than once. But this 'matched grip' thing just isn't an argument.
i believe he couldnt use match because his snare position.
yes, it's a bit funny, He tells, Matched Grip is'nt pretty Good for playing the snare Drum, but all the people using it have anothee snare Drum Position.
no shit, he's a jazz drummer, his style requires you to do more rim shots (rim and skin at same time) and if you put it into modern position then it's harder to do having to drop your shoulders more which slows your rhythm.. most modern drummers dont incorporate the rim shot consistently like he does so thats why he has his drum positioned that way.. so if you wanna be able to do ALL styles not just one style then his drum is in the correct position, since its not used as much anymore is why everyone is used to seeing it positioned front down.. same reason drum lines have it angled flat or front up to make the rim shot easier and traditional grip. It was the style of the time..
so dont judge, appreciate what he did for his time and understand to him and so many before him, this was the correct way, just because they worry about drum rolls on the toms more these days, dont hate on the OG! Neither is wrong now a days, but for the drummer who wants to be good at every level and style, it IS the correct style! Not putting anything against people like neil peart, they just cant be compared, totally different styles!!
He actually did use matched occasionally but I think he was infinitely more comfortable playing traditional, having used it since he was 3 as Traps the Drum Wonder.
To those that say its hard to play matched grip with the way Buddy has his snare positioned if you think about it his right hand is holding the stick as you would with matched.Also to those that say traditional grip is superior wouldn't you hold both sticks the same (i.e. As Buddy holds his left hand stick)... Just curious
william weir I know what you mean. if the snare is tilted away from me, traditional makes sense, otherwise my left hand would hit the rim constantly. I think if you're a right handed drummer, the right hand (dominant hand) will adapt to any angle regardless of what the other hand is doing (same if you're a left handed drummer). Playing the right hand upturned like the left, it would make it very impractical to play the cymbals. I think traditional grip reflects the hands' purpose in a jazz setting: the dominant hand is the primary action (cymbal player, time keeper) and is held in a French grip to accommodate the widest amount of surfaces (for soloing or complicated fills). The weak hand is upturned for easier dragging across the toms and snare, and for easier ghost notes. But that might just be me rambling...
Buddy thinks he's un-matched but he should get a grip
Knight192 there is one better than buddy rich, NEIL PEART
@@aristotle5698 nope. A great drummer but not even close to buddy's level
Carter Morris neil’s playing has no soul..... boring
Neil Peart 😂😂😂😂
Carter Morris you should ask Neil about that one
*rim slip* "Ahhhh shit" - literally just highlights how unbelievably clean every single other hit is after this point
Buddy rich : *talks about creativity*
Also Buddy rich: *literally plays the exact fills and notes in each and every solo he does*
i haven't seen and heard much of buddy rich, but so far i totally agree. i'm not impressed with his playing at all.
@@ashmonkey2572 listen to Tony Williams, i'd say he's better than buddy and only didn't get as big because of his skin color
He is obviously a technical master but I prefer a solo by Krupa or Morello. More musical and more pleasing to the ear.
Most drummers only have a handful of licks ( Gadd probably has even fewer ; just wait to hear that ba, do, boom lick and you won't have to wait very long) but they just apply them in a few different ways.
@@tObito687 i think that's a fair statement.
He says "you can't really do anything" - what he means is "I can't really do anything"
Steve Fox BUT the drummers you wold hold up as great probably do not could not come close to the late great Buddy Rich talent AND Buddy could have taught himself a lot quicker to do what those you admire do than the other way around, trust those words I keyed in
@@douglasknoll3500 you're just a Buddy maxi
@@Drizzt_Do_Entreri whatever that is
@@ApartmentKing66 You don't know what a maxi is and you have Investor in your name LOL
Pretentious as fuck.
But one damn good drummer.
EuriLochus He's not pretentious at all. He's confident in abilities he actually possesses.
Pretentious: attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.
EuriLochus I think you meant arrogant as fuck, which he was, and a damn good drummer too.
Alen Combs I'd be arrogant too. I'm arrogant already and I'm not even good at anything.
mike shoe Haha, so well put. I will say this, you are good at having both moxy and style. ;)
George Christiansen By your own provided definition of pretentious you confirmed he is EXACTLY that, even though you state the opposite. He is expressing greater importance/talent of using traditional grip over match grip as a drummer, when the fact is EVERYTHING he does here, and ever did, can be done equally as skilled using match grip. It's a matter of preference, not a matter of one is better than the other. Both grip styles can be equally as good by drummers with the proper skill levels. SO yes, he is pretentious. Not to say he isn't a drumming idol and damn good, and I get where he's coming from given the times and match being a newer thing and not the norm for the old-schoolers, but he is most definitely pretentious.
Even his "Ah,shit!" Was on beat
Ha!
Buddy is blowing smoke. He doesn't actually say anything here, just shows off.
You mean your comment.....?
Oh the irony in this video. He makes fun of drummers who use matched grip, implies that all they do is snare roles and going around the toms and brags about how it is the extend of their creativity, and then he goes on playing pretty much the same solo he has done for decades, containing mostly snare roles and fast tom passages. Funnily enough, he often used matched grip himself when it suited him, especially on tom passages. There are entire solos where he mostly plays matched grip. So yeah, how about starting with yourself, buddy (Pun intended) ?
Now don't get me wrong, Buddy Rich to this day is one of the greatest drummes who ever walked on earth, his speed and technique was incredible and unmatched. What he played on 3 a piece kit is better than what many modern metal drumers with double base and over the top kits can do. He was an absolute master in what he did. But he is an absolute arse beyond that. Sadly, he let his ego get the better of him over time, thinking he is the best and his way of playing is the only right one which kinda limited his drumming. As great as he was in what he did, he failed to realize that drumming isn't just about speed, complexity and showing off. He was like a machine with incredible skills, but to me, he sometimes laked a bit of a soul, the fealing for the music and the groove and so on. He could have been even better if he was a bit more open minded.
Edelweiss Buddy had limited musical sense and abilities. Up close and personal it was easy to get scorched by his ferocity. However listening deeper revealed a shallowness.
Earthdogbonzo3
My thoughs exactely.
Earthdogbonzo3 Very well said.
Edelweiss - People who criticise legends are right up there with pastors who start their sermons with..."I think what God meant to say...."
So its better to just take everything as it is or even worship it? Sorry, I'm not that kind of guy. Buddy is/was one of the best drummes who ever lived if not the best and isnpired generations of drummers, no doubt about that. And he stayed true to himself and his character during his career and didn't fake something, I give him that. Doesn't change the fact he was an arse, legend or not.
Buddy Rich: "You can't get around the kit or do anything playing matched grip" ... Neil Peart: "Hold my beer"
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While I dont agree with him completely, I think learning traditional grip have its advantages too. Ive started playing traditional grip recently and it has improved my stick control and independence a lot. Learn as much techniques as possible, It opens up more possibilities to your playing
Sure can be hard to find a good take in the comments sometimes 👍🏿
I only come to watch this video when I remember he misses that splash 😁✊🏽 1:22
The only reason I don't agree with him is because I dismiss anyone who says any way to play drums is strait up "wrong" Ahah but also the way his kit is set up.
I started as a trad player first when I was a kid then switched to match grip. It makes so little difference that I'll be half way through a song sometimes and realise I've switched grips 😂
He’s so quick that he makes the snare sound like a machine gun
Learn both grips.They each have something to offer that the other one doesn't.
I grew up using traditional grip because everyone did. Switched to match grip-- so much better. BTW the reason why traditional grip became standard was long before there were drum kits, drums were an instrument of war and 'drummers' wore their drums on a slant to their side.
I started trad, switched to matched. Around 2000 I lowered my hi-hat and started learning how to ride with the left hand so I didn't have to play with my arms crossed. Picked trad back up when I renewed my interest in playing swing because it just feels like the right way to play in that style. I did not, however, pick up a reverse trad so I could ride on the left; I kept it matched. The hardest thing was to get a good swing ride going in the left hand. What I wound up doing for practice was to put swing tunes on the headphones and sit there riding with *both* hands...the right hand actually taught the left; it made a difference in even just a few minutes.
I think we can all agree it is a thing of personal preference
thank you Dale! somebody with some sense and knowledge. they both have their applications!
AAAAAAH....SHHHIT!! lol.😂
he even swears in time
I think he hit the rim.
I laughed so hard I farted!
wrong grip !
ironic how Buddy played almost an entire solo with match grip in the 60's, you can watch it on youtube, i wonder why he changed his opinion
Generally he did that when he was playing mostly on the toms. Makes sense, since traditional grip was designed to capitalize on the rebound from the snare, which you don't get so much on the toms.
+Ben Dawn-Cross Actually homie it was carried over from marching snare. When snare drummers had to wear their snares on a diagonal strap it had a natural tilt so they had to invent the traditional grip to accommodate I. :)
+Alberto Patino Yeah, I know that, but one reason that some find it hard to use against a kit is because it works best against surfaces with a higher rebound capacity, such as a snare. Guys in Buddy's day usually had all of their drums, including their toms, tuned pretty high, so it wasn't an issue, but these days toms are gnerally tuned lower, so the rebound isn't quite as potent.
For about 3 seconds at 1:15, he does what was a signature sound of Narada Michael Walden's during his time with the Mahavishnu Orchestra. It's ferocious.
His playing was ahead of its time, and probably remains so, but his attitude was very much of its time, and that of a snob to boot. I'd never abide him as someone to play with, but I admire him as a player.
well said.
Good answer. Dennis Stone drumming to Christiane by Rick Braun
And this was Buddy in his older years. .His left hand snare is unmatched.
I see what you did there ^^^
I love the shear aggression and power in this solo, it screams of i'm the best even if there was a tiny miss hit.
It also proves that you don't need a huge kit or to throw your arms around like a baboon to drum up a storm.
Back in the day he knew he was the greatest and time and again he would stamp his masterful authority all over the drum kit .
To this day his presence can be felt and drummers world wide still honer him as the ultimate drummer that will never be equaled
well that would be the "matched grip" way, obvsly.
BigBill Lucas hell yea
or he's just a dick
It's mostly other musicians that still think he's some great drummer. Drummers have moved on. He isn't creative, and not being able to play a big kit well isn't a strength. This is a video where he is trying to show how he is better than everyone else and he still makes a big mistake he can't hide.
john bonham & ian paice played small kits with bug drums like their idol buddy rich. also ric lee of ten years after(listen to "hobbit" from TYA live). buddy was & will always be the yardstick of drumming!
Every single video I've watched of Buddy Rich is nothing but a video of him showing off his speed. Not once have a felt the urge to tap my foot or felt a groove. Play a fuckin' beat once in a while.
Was literally thinking the exact same thing, good to see people are with me on this haha
he does. all the time. just not when he solos.
You must not watch/listen to much Buddy Rich in that case. There are times you wouldn't even be able to tell that he's the drummer on a track because he doesn't take big solos or crazy fills. Perfect example is when he plays brushes on "Ballade" with Bird and Hawkins. Perhaps his most popular videos are of his solos, but you need to actually do your research my dude!
Listen to groovin' hard, where we doesn't take a solo, but still completes his masterpiece with a driving groove and tasteful fills.
Jack Merrill: Totally agree! I doubt many of the folks here making comments are drummers themselves.
Vincent maybe if you watched, listened while NOT being Sodomized you could find a rhythm
Not a very convincing argument. He deliberately plays shitty when demonstrating match grip. If it was superior then why wouldn't you hold both sticks like the left hand in traditional grip? It's not like the right and left hands are different structurally. Hands match and so should the grip. Mic drop!
I noticed that too!!!! Even his facial expression as he did it!!
He wasn't saying that the hand was different. He was saying that the roles they play when drumming on a full kit are distinctly different from each other. His point was when you hold your sticks with a match grip, the left stick gets in the way of the right stick when you're trying to move around the kit a lot like he does. When you play guitar your hands do different things but both of your hands are still the same structurally.
And his point is wrong. There's nothing you can do in traditional grip that you can't in match grip and vice versa.
+Crimson Sunrise
I disagree w/ one part of your statement. The vice versa. I have never seen a drummer consistently ride w/ that traditional left-hand grip.
Maxx Bifacial McGerk
Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean it's not possible.
Buddy would be suprised as hell if he would see what Chris Coleman does with matched grip today...
Coleman is a wonderful drummer. to be honest Buddy sounds like an ignorant "the only type of drumming is jazz drumming" type of guy.
This is interesting to me because I recently switched to Trad grip ( have osteoarthritis in my left shoulder and it actually hurts to play matched now). I find I lost some of my old tricks making the change, fast around the tom fills are harder for me now. That being said I learned how to approach the drums differently, my fills are more snare centered now and I use a 4 piece kit because I find I don't need a bunch of toms to express myself. I also learned more about brush work and I'm convinced Trad Grip is the way to go for that. You can gat more nuanced motions going on the snare with Trad and brushes.
Buddy Rich is basically like my music teacher my music teacher believes that the only way to play bass is by using your fingers and basically treat us pick players as if we're breaking a sin
Enjoy ur finger's joints problem in future.
Nothing wrong with a pick, it gives a different tone and more potential speed. Many bassists are against it because they are traditionalists, no other reason.
different tone is right but that speed argument is just wrong, if anything, playing with fingers has more potential speed than playing with a pick.
That kind of absolutist bullshit gives all music instructors a bad name. "finger's joints problem"? No such thing. Oh, the wacky stuff you read on the internet. I think the most impressive pick player I've ever heard is Roger Waters.
Rules in music are for boring people. Sure, understand them, but break them whenever you like otherwise nothing new is gonna happen.
,....Epic drum soloing,....."Ah, shit!" Continue epic drum soloing,....
The musicality, dynamics, contrast, emotional expression, and development of rhythmic ideas in this solo were amazing! The mark of a true great!
NewJackRustler AH SHIT, you're right.
He unintentionally hit his stick.
I say unintentionally because usually, everything Buddy did was with extreme precision and purpose. I can hardly believe the -man- machine actually made a mistake, but he did.
When Famous drummers are mentioned for the last 60 years Buddy will always be recognized first.
I use both grips and both work fine. Depends what you're playing as well in my opinion
Sean Lewis I agree but I can not get the power I need for punk or metal with traditional grip. Definitely more for jazz and progressive rock.
At the time he made these comments most matched grips drummers couldn't do what he did. They've since caught up just fine
Couldnt you just position your snare little bit away from you.
DCM Bonham played match grip and he could do anything rich could do better.
Buddy Rich: “ Match grip doesn’t really work. “
Keith Moon: “ Hold my beers . . . And charge them to Neil Sadaka! “
David McCain 🤣
May 1969 Chicago . I saw the Buddy Rich Orchestra open for THE WHO (1 st Tommy tour) . I was 25 feet away from 2 of my favorite players. And I still have a pair of Keith s sticks from that show !
Jim Fritz , would you say they were opposites OR similar in their attack & style?
@@cleorivas6098 Style , no. Attack , yes. Keith and Buddy respected each other. Both put the drums up front,in your face. Not just in the rhythm section but as lead players. I saw the Who 12 times with Keith. I saw Buddy once. Everyone has their faves but these 2 brought that " dangerous magic" to the gig. Take Care
Come on... I love Moon, but he isn't even in the same solar system as Buddy.
Buddy Rich seemed like an anti-modernist that didn't like the way music was always evolving. He was a great drummer, but an unreliable critic. I don't dislike him, cause I think he's being a dick, but because he seemed to have dated views on music that he'd enforce so strongly. Music wouldn't be nearly as interesting today, if it was embodiment of Buddy Rich's ideals.
What do you mean, tho? Barring the stick grip, music has gone down the tubes man! Where's the nearest jazz club or big band show in your town, if any! We have a so called music industry full of "entertainers" rather than musicians. Don't berate me for being general here but it's true! The industry is heavily skewered toward bubble gum performance pop than actual raw musical intellect and talent for creating. Corporate execs whip up these simple tunes for simple minds and grab some fresh face off the street and tells them what to do, what to wear, what to sing and how to sing it! The instrumentation is an afterthought. I can go on and on about this, you see it in every genre whether it's country, hip hop, metal, punk...it's all been severely dumbed down and so far gone from it's roots that it's just a shallow, pale version of the glory of yester years.
+Henry Lozano nah, there's a lot of great music in underground scenes.
Birds in the Ground is the single greatest rock album of the century, and that came out in '05.
and a lot of big band is boring trash.
honestly, music has been the same for centuries, and will continue to be the same for centuries longer. lots of shit, a little shine.
Lol! Here we go.. It's Corporate America that ruined music. GMAFB!
"old fart syndrome"
I've learn both grips, but the reason anybody plays that way is because it was necessary to do so in military snare drumming which came long before the drum kit and it was perceived as the only Technic at the time and carried over into drum kit playing
Buddy doesn't use match grip because he's dead. 🐸
Mike Oneill Fuck off dickhead
XD
Fuckin lol
Mike Oneill
From this video and all his asshole fanboys im kinda glad he is too.
It’s FUCKEN art not the Olympic Games
Half these asshats are all “faster is better” or whatever but when I live my life this prick ain’t in the soundtrack I assure you.
@@testudinebobby8532 cant handle reality huh
I want someone who uses match grip to do the exact same thing he does that would be so funny
I made a Watch Msuic please subscribe for more Someone good enough at drumming could definitely do the entire solo he just played using match stick grip. His argument for it was terrible. I use the term argument loosely, because he didn’t even really have an argument. He’s a really good drummer, but he’s clearly a delusional about his preferred grip. He should’ve just said “This is just the grip I use because it’s what I’m comfortable with.” It’s about what’s comfortable for you. You’re not gonna be better because you use one grip over another.
Maxilent true
William Fotiou not true
@William Fotiou Calm down tiger; plenty of drummers have proved him wrong.
Look up Zach Hill
I can't believe the comments I'm reading. Everyone, on both sides, needs to chill the fuck out. I use matched grip but Buddy is more than entitled to his opinion. It's Buddy Fucking Rich, who are we to tell him he's wrong?
As for my own personal opinion. It's good to learn and practice BOTH grips.
agreed Brandon
Way ahead of his time . There was a reason why he was the best of that time and its because I feel that he didn't conform to what others thought was the norm. Mr Rich earned his respect.
Also, he literally did his childhood growing up and drum practice on stage in front of people as a kid. He was a child vaudeville star of his day. He had supreme confidence as a performer due to this. I dont think there will ever be a situation where somebody will get to grow up in those circumstances again.
He did all of that while wearing a sweater.
I broke out in a sweat just watching this!
Don't see a reason to use traditional grip if your playing metal
Don't see a reason not to try it
So that's the extent of your reasoning?!
@@TheChadPad It's inferior and drum teachers discourage people from using it in any style these days.
Nah , dual trad grip is defo the future of metal !!
Don't see a reason to play metal
well this video was taken early 80s. and we DO know how legends feel about change. if you can't adapt then it's bad. if it wasn't their idea then is bad.
music is art. there are many ways of expressing art. if there wasn't, only one artist would be famous..
the way you hold your sticks is just a preference nothing more. it's all about your comfort.
"how legends feel about change" Mary Lou Williams went from playing pre-swing jazz to playing bebop. Johnny Guitar Watson went from playing '40s-style R&B to playing '70s funk. The Beatles went from "She Loves You" to "A Day In The Life." Not all greats happen to be closed-minded fools like Buddy here.
Brazilian Assface your boyfriend is going to give YOU a Brazilian
The Apprentice takes the easy and makes it look difficult while the Master takes the impossible and makes it look easy! Neil Peart regarding Buddy Rich RIP BUDDY AND PROFESSOR!
If you don't understand what Buddy's saying here, he will take you outside and show you what it's like.
He's not my kind of guy.
Yeah what an ass.
I saw what you did there 😆😆
No he won't. He's dead.
To everyone sucking buddy and saying he's right just remember, he wasn't even using match grip right he was using french timpani grip. and his snare was way too close for match grip to work. I'm not saying traditional is bad, all I'm saying is buddy was criticizing a grip he clearly doesn't know how to use
French grip is still match grip. French, American, German..as long as you're holding the stick the same way it's considered matched. The position of your palm (which is the only difference in those three grips) is the only difference.
Don't forget also that rich always had his snare tilted so that it was angled away from his body...try playing match grip with that type of snare set up.It's REALLY uncomfortable...so he really had his drums set up to accommodate his favorite grip.That doesn't mean the grip itself is better.
This guy seems to have some talent !
I don't think he's right about match grip, but my gosh he is a beast on that kit.
no, he's not.
@@cm9241 Tell me who's better. Tell me who's fucking better
@@jaspergillgannon4991 from what era? His? Max roach and art blakely
CM BUDDY was a great fan follower of both Max AND Art, including drum battles w/Max, ayk?
I'll admit it, Buddy is the reason why I switched to traditional grip.
And I never looked back.
+Tracy S I'm left handed but my teacher didn't care so I learned the " right handed" traditionnal grip, don't want to start over, useless for me, match grip it is...
+Stéphane Mignot if anything, learning to lead with your weak hand gives you a huge leg up on a lot of other drummers.
Worse than that, or better, I use my bad foot on bass drum! I hate double bass drum, too bad, useful for the hi-hat in pedal mode tho...
+Tracy S I'm the exact same, I had to completely re-learn how to play the drums efficiently because I switched, but it was all completely worth it.
It's even better amongst people who use matched grip, as you look kind of pretentious which is always a fun bonus.
+Stéphane Mignot I've never been a double bass guy either. I feel like it makes drumming just about speed, which really isn't true.
"Buddy Rich when I fly off the handle!" -Beastie Boys, Sabotage. "Let's go outside and I'll show you what it's like!" -Seinfeld, from the Buddy Rich Bus Tapes. The man made a mark.
Had Buddy first learned matched grip, he'd be making exactly the opposite statement. There are countless amazingly impressive examples in both camps. Fundamentally it's not about the sticks are held. It's about the talent, skill, and dedication of the person holding them.
What are you stupid, dumb or both? I would guess....BOTH! If you have a just a little bit of knowledge about the diversity of music styles, you'll notice, that jazz playing requires traditional grip in order to implement the necessary emotion, feeling, and freedom that it requires. Other forms of music like rock for example require an overhanded grip to impose power and a strong back beat, since the drummer is locked into the rhythm.
Johnny TheMUSICmaN Ah, but now you've turned grip style into an "apples to oranges" stylistic comparison. Traditional may be better for certain styles, but you've also just conceded that matched grip is better for others. If A is not ALWAYS better than B, then any blanket statement about its superiority is rendered false.
Besides, most of the great Jazz players learned traditional in the first place, so naturally their expression is best presented that way, but it's either ignorant or arrogant to presume that, if somebody only learns matched grip, they'll never have adequate finesse or expression just because they don't walk in the same footsteps as those who came before.
By the way, in the context of your opening question (the insult that contributed nothing constructive to the conversation), "dumb" and "stupid" are synonymous, so if somebody is one, then that person is automatically both. Thus, the question itself is stupid. Anybody who would ask the question...is.
OmniphonProductions Your comment statement is reflective of your own personal terminological inexactitude, that most assuredly dwells within your deranged psyche; and, speaks of the confused and convoluted state of mind that surely had generated this disparity. The lack of neuronal, axon, and synapse connectivity that constitutes rational thought processes is void in your case. This diffuse dysfunction is spurred by the brains' hypothalamus, and may have originated by sequential hormonal over-saturation, a physical structural displacement abnormality at birth, and a genetic predisposition. A brain scan will reveal most or all of your illness. Best of luck.
Johnny TheMUSICmaN Well, I suppose if one is going to contribute a comment that is utterly lacking in any substantive content, one should at least make it interesting. Kudos! That was, without a doubt, the coolest and most intelligent-sounding nothing I've ever read.
OmniphonProductions Since my previous statement may have been misunderstood and misconstrued by you because it may have been well beyond your capacity to comprehend, I'll simplify it for you. Your previous comment was completely incoherent and utterly ignorant. In all probability, it was scripted by a person (you), with a confused state of mind, and/or a limited capacity for thought. Of course my pseudo-intellectual moronic friend; as someone who espouses to writing lackluster contextual statements of meaningless rhetoric, you surely must be the expert. The descriptive term: 'Substantive", is beyond your interpretation. Stick with the analogy: "Nothing"...It sounds much more like you and the nonsensical stupidity that you post.
It's important to note that Buddy thought highly of the skill level of Keith Moon, and as we all know, Moonie used the match grip. Although no drummer in history could surpass Rich's speed of hand, one could argue that Moon was the Buddy Rich of rock drummers.
I could send you the instagram of a drummer who can play 2/3 of buddy's speed with one hand mate
Did he really say he liked Keith Moon? From what I've heard he thought all rock drummers were dog shit.
Ian Paice is the Buddy Rich of rock..can do anything the big band drummers do
He said "The drum way"..WTF? He created his own term. For a guy that sweated so much, why did he wear sweaters? If I was playing and the sweat was dripping from my nose, I think I would dress lighter the next time.
i have no idea how good anything is, i only know that buddy rich is what i'm looking up to when i want to listen to a good drum solo. but in this particular video something else blew me away: the superb capture of the audio itself. this sounds so intense. the bass feels like bass, the rest is so dynamic on top of it. why is almost everything else not recorded like this. this just feels superior audio-wise. is it because of the compressor they used back then? they used one, whatever technique it was. you can hear it when buddy immediately starts talking after a demonstration in the beginning in the video. his voice is very low for a split second... or is that just a compressor on voice only.... i might be wrong nonetheless. but the drum audio is addicting.
“That’s the extent of their creativeness”
Tells people how the “correct” way is.
Opinions may vary.
I for one am not a drummer, so I look at this as simply, Holy crap this guy is good. I read up a bit on him , sure he had a ego and was a bit of a pain in the backside but you never know what is going on in someone's life. The guy could play the drums like a beast and still slow it down, he came from a time when it wasn't what it is today. He as is anyone today entitled to his opinion even when he has passed on ...
Mini bike good points AND BUDDY was a quick study learn AND had more style flair AND grace than the best of best today, plus the quality of equipment just in the last 10yrs is outrageously advanced AND helps the drummers sound AND skills AND amplification also helps in sound quality etc
Exactly.. everyone is entitled to their opinions. You don't have to play his way 🤣
This is one of the very few things I completely disagree on. I don't know if it's because that's how Buddy played or if he just isn't able to do match grip as good as what he always uses. You can kinda get that sense about him being stuck on tradional grip because he refers to match grip users as "kids" and he also literally suggested there is no creativity in that. I believe that was a very arrogant statement. Ironically enough, he once said that you shouldn't try play like any other drummer yet here we are being told there is no creativity if we don't play like him. Listen, I love Buddy Rich's playing style and he deserve all the respect in that regard. His is certainly legendary, but even legends are wrong about things. There are many drummers today that strictly use matched grip and they can easily get around the kit just as fast and with just as much ease. He probably would have ended up changing his mind about that had he lived long enough to see drummers today using match grip. There is also a unique historical difference for using traditional grip verses matched grip. Marching snare drums are no longer tilted over the shoulder and snare drums on the drumset are no longer tilted at an angle anymore, either. Once again, I have great respect for Buddy Rich, but I disagree with what he says in this video.
The irony is when he criticizes drummers that use match grip for doing rolls and fills...Then the video cuts to him doing the same things he criticized match grip drummers for.
Literally. Lol buddy rich was known for his speed. But his concepts are SIMPLE. 😂😂😂
buck ewer now that’s a dumb comment. Speed is art... only people without speed would say something like that
buck ewer you must suck at music 😁
While yes he can play this fast simplistic standard snare to tom fill, if you watch he is playing tons of different stick rudiments throughout with blazing speed. Say what you want about his attitude but the guy chops wise was an elite player.
@buck ewer he wasn't just about speed, the way he could play all the drum rudiments is incredible and when he played with a big band he always complimented the music with all kinds of creativity. Believe me he blows away a lot of even today's drummers, but a lot of today's drummers were definitely influenced by him. My drum teacher years ago actually met him and he's told me many stories of him. The guy was a very gifted and very practiced drummer in all ways around the kit.
I'm gonna go drum to some Metallica with match grip.
Good answer. Slipknot for me. Dennis Stone drumming to Christiane by Rick Braun
But, that dude's an awful drummer. Why?
Eben Guyette I think he meant Lars, and if he did he's a close-minded ass. Ringo and Lars are both revolutionary drummers for their respective bands.
Joshua Heap actually lars' style complements them perfectly (watch anything 1989 or justice tour)
both Ringo and Lars were perfect for their respective bands but that’s where it stops. Ringo or Lars have not advanced their skills at all, they’re playing at the same skill level they started with.
It’s the power behind each one of those strokes that’s something else 😮
"but there's a lot more to it than that"
>proceeds to play that
I used to idolize him until he came to Mt. Hood Community College in the early 80's. He proceeded to explain how every genre of music that he didn't perform was SHIT. R&B, Soul, Pop, and ESPECIALLY Country & Western. "The people who do this kind of of music are simple and unimaginative." He went on and on about how if you can't play jazz or classical you're not really respecting your craft. He literally scoffed at the notion of Hip-Hop being taken seriously. "A bunch of kids going 'Hippity Skippity Bippity Boop' is garbage!" were his words. It wasn't so much that he held these opinions as it was his honest and visible HATRED of people unlike him. He was a pompous, intolerant, purist ASSHOLE but he sure could play!!!!
Hip hop is shit. Lol
Oh how i love Buddy rich❤
It'd called personal choice Bud...
Don Brogan Different strokes for different folks. John Bonham wouldn't have sounded right with a trad grip.
I have a very hard time believing it was truly his perception that you couldn't 'get around' that way using matched grip. That's moronic.
Jimmy not moronic just not well thought out in Buddy's word choice, he made a bad comment about country music in early 70's that was not thought out well, but he actually was humble much of the time but a hard driving band leader as I am sure you have read seen heard, some I am sure he would have taken back redo type situation, I met and watched listened all my life and he was a good man w/some short falls @ times, RIP BUDDY RICH!
Either grip works. It's a matter of choice and comfort and results. When I'm jammin out on the snare I like traditional, moving aroumd the toms I like matched. Depending on what Im doing I choose the grip I like best. It's a matter of opinion tomato tomahto potato potahto
I use matched grip as I was never in a marching band (though I wish I'd had the opportunity) but I have to recognised that one of the greatest rock drummers of all time, Carl Palmer uses traditional grip.
I switch back and forth... There are benefits to both.
Incredible musician...love his incredible playing. But, no way id have been in a band with him...
amen
You see guys like Hiromi, Eldar and Michael League and they seem like the nicest people on Earth. Very different from old band leaders
In band camp my director played trumpet in Buddy's band for a few years. The stories!
basically, the answer is
I'm pretentious
Buddy Rich is good at jazz, and I like it :)
Funny some of the comments on here. I'm drumming now for about 55 years. I can only say this regarding Traditional grip or matched grip. After seeing Buddy in person 3 X and seeing countless videos , I've never seen ANYONE with more technique, finesse, power,speed and musicality than Buddy. I've also seen all the greats,Elvin, Blakey , Roach, Williams, Papa Jo Cole,Krupa, ,Cobham, Baker, Mitchell, Weckl, Coliuta, Lang, Donati, Chambers, Smith,Bozzio, Phillips etc. Most of the greats seem to play traditional grip. Now that does not mean matched grip does not work. I play strictly matched grip and i'm able to play most of what I want using this grip. But i do have to say that traditional grip does seem to produce many of the greats of drumming, and if Buddy said he believes it is a superior grip who am I to say anything against the finest drummer ever? One other point i'd like to make, I met Buddy 2 times and he was very nice and helpful when I spoke with him about the drumzz, he was FAAAR from arrogant, and when I met him he had many people that wanted to shake his hand and speak with him,he was gracious to all. So some of the comments made about him are coming from people that never met him. I wonder how nice Tony Williams, Billy Cobham? John Bonham? How about Ginger Baker? were to there fans?
Deagledrumzz Joe Morello. Also the drummers you mention are mostly jazz. There was a signed photo of Simon Philips which I saw everyday and he is playing matched grip. I am sure he plays both. Bill Ward from Black Sabbath matched grip, John Bonham from Led Zeppelin matched grip, Roger Taylor from Queen matched grip and the best example Ian Paice from Deep Purple matched grip. I rest my case.
This BUDDY RICH video shouldn't have any negative comments. Everyone that doesn't understand what the greatest drummer in history is saying should sell their drums and quit playing for ever!
I use both and certain grips are good for certain musical styles in my opinion. I guess that's just his character but Buddy's explanation in this is just rubbish. I'd hope that if he saw some of the great drummers today using matched grip he'd have a different opinion.
I have both CDs, Tribute To Buddy Rich. While there are other good drummers, none came very close to Buddy's style. Let us know when you're on The Tonight Show! :-)
Buddy was a traditional Jazz musician that hated other forms of drumming, especially rock, since it was less expressive.
This is nonsense. Everything buddy played could be played with matched grip. When you get above a certaint age alot of people dont accept innovation.
“Traditional grip is better because it lets me flail my arms around the kit in no musical fashion but to merely show how cool I am. Oh, and music is a competition and I’m winning.” - Boomer Rich 1765
@@williamtaylor5193 What the hell does this have to do with Marxism lmao.
Even the 'Aaaaah..(two three four)...Shit!" was in time.
Grip is all about the angles of the surfaces you play on. The reason traditional grip came about is because marching snare drummers had primitive straps that angled their snare drum down to the right side so they could play and march at the same time and an overhand grip in the left hand would have been extremely awkward given the height of the left side of the drum. Set drummers like Buddy Rich positioned their drums, particularly their snare drums to comfortably accommodate traditional grip. As drum sets grew in size and included more playing surfaces to the left side many drummers moved to matched grip and modified the angles of their snare drum to better accommodate matched grip. People like Billy Cobham and Mike Magini have certainly demonstrated extreme technical prowess using matched grip.
And most of Motown radio hits recorded by jass drummers using traditional grip.
And now -
Traditional grip is alive and very well - thank you for checking in my Friend!
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I'd like to have seen him say that in front of Bonham.
@Donde Merlin bonham influenced every single drummer including you.
Just my 2 cents, but my grandfather, (a jazz drummer) palled around with Rich in the day. He was the same way as Rich when it came to matched grip and modern musical styles because they felt it wasnt music since it wasn't jazz. Not saying they are right, but wanted to offer some insight into how folks like them thought. Remember, as some pointed out the drum kit was still a fairly new thing and the old timers felt they had the right to call out the right way to do things. Again, not defending that attitude, just my personal insights growing up among folks like him.
In an interview, Louis Bellson explains that todays drummers use way too much tape, and muffs on their sets. He was a straight up drummer with no room for modification of equipment. Still, it is a drummer's option. The old guys did not give in to anything "new."
Jim Buck That is exactly what Bellson said. I am with you on that "guilty as charged" statement. I found heads also played a big part in that tuning. I changed several heads, particularly the bass. Thanks for your point Jim.
Jim Buck Hey guys, completely agree with you! ...As long as you have a 'decent' acoustic environment. I have my set in a college house basement, with concrete on three walls. The overtones are BAD. I have a tympanic pressure tuner I have slaved over, and use remo pinstripes on all my toms and an Evans HD Dry for my snare, and a remo powersonic 2 for bass and I can't get away with a sound I like without at least some foamcore tape on my resonant heads of my toms. I've always had the worst luck tuning my toms to sound natural and bright, without the ringing, snare-vibrating overtones, and copious amounts of tape. Any pointers outside of thicker shells?
Jim Buck Yeh, Jim, I love the Aquarians for my bass too. I had those self adhesive bass head muffs on mine at first, and when they fell off, I became thrilled with the sound. Thanks for the snare input, I am gonna try the Evans HD for myself.
I don't even play the drums, but to my experience drummers I worked with did this primarily because when miking up the drum kit the resonance from the drums would create a hum that would cause feedback; this was especially a problem in certain rooms with lots of natural echo.
ICDogg1 I've noticed on some older jazz recordings the drum sound is pretty full and deep and I've wondered how they've gotten that sound without using close mics if that's what they were doing. I wonder if it's because they didn't use any muffling on the toms.
Buddy Rich was a great player, modern drummers are indebted to him. But he was a victim of his own success that fed his ego. He was unable to appreciate anything that went beyond himself, Chet Atkins, one example anyone who did not fit into Buddy Riches style of playing and genre. I wouldn't take his advice seriously unless you just want to be a cheap knock off of Buddy Rich.
jeb stuart ??? Maybe because you're a basic pop music fan. Stupid.