Atheism is wrong because I don’t see how it’s right! | Talk Heathen: Throwback
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"I don't understand science: Therefore magic!"
WAIT THERE'S A NEW COSMOS SHOW??
@@Olyfrun (you probably already looked it up by now but) Google is saying you can watch it on both prime and Hulu but I'm pretty sure I seen it on Hulu. And it's freakin great too!
Science understands what existence is?
...are you sure about that?
Sure science tells us all about how the reality that exists, functions and operates, but how could it possibly determine what existence actualy is, or why it is so?
@@gregsanich5183 existence is the state of living or otherwise having objective reality and what makes you think there has to be a "why"? Why is blue? Some things just are. Maybe a little disappointing but it ain't that deep.
And the scientific method is the most accurate way of understanding said reality.
@@gregsanich5183 Just because science can't be used to prove that any gods exists doesn't mean it is incapable of proving that real things exist.
all i know is every time this guy said "i understand" i heard the little voice state "he in fact did not understand"
Was yours Morgan Freeman too?
@@kuroiryu9434 lmfao
The fact that Hakiem couldn't even comprehend on how to traverse a hypothetical example shows me exactly how mentally capable he is.
I heard that it's a telltale sign of low intelligence. You could ask them "What if you didn't eat lunch yesterday" and they'd say "But I did eat lunch yesterday"
Yeah, the gumball analogy was painful to listen to as he just kept missing the point and refused to answer a simple yes and no question.
I’ve never experienced someone this confused before
Go to church…ANY church!
@@mr.c2485 🫤
@@mr.c2485 just because I’m seeing it now doesn’t mean I want season tickets 😂
lmao 🤣🤣🤣
You haven't been watching long.
Hakiem is going through the anger phase of dealing with being lied to all his life
"You're cutting me off, let me finish!"
- The most overtalking individual in existence
You clearly haven't heard darth dawkins!
He was curious until you didn't agree with him then he went right into aggressive apologist dogma.
Yo, I feel like guys like this don't even go to church, but they're "religious" enough to take on that identity. And that also means copping a lot of apologist claims and not even thinking to look into them to see if they jibe with reality.
Plus they spread these claims amongst their boys (who are also "religious" via parental upbringing) and think that that makes them "godly" somehow. It's hilarious.
Entirely typical of US American christians. They really don’t like their nonsensical superstitions being questioned.
Guy sounds like Hal sharp. Thinks that volume proves his point….WAD!
too aggressive I'd say, inappropriately aggressive for the hosts to not do something about it
That's what all narcissists do. You need to bow your head to me at all times and if you don't I will turn into Tronald Dump and throw a childish tantrum until I get my way.
Dude literally thinks meteors entering earth’s atmosphere, are exploding stars. Holy hell.
Hahahahahaha
Wait.. Aren't they? 😳
@@Apostolnixx please tell me you’re joking.
@@straunwagner6322 I'm telling you, it's a joke 👍
He doesn’t know fuck all
Polaris, the North Star, is 434 light-years from Earth. It could have exploded 400 years ago and we wouldn’t know about it yet.
And yes it doesn't look to be moving from our perspective. With a telescope or a time-lapse photo we can see that it actually does. It's just very close to the axis of rotation of earth.
But but but it's not happening right this second. Dude thinks the stars are like 10ft away or something
Well, to be fair we can usually see the signs when a star is near the end of it's life. But yes, in principle we wouldn't know for certain for at least 400 years because of how long that light takes to get here.
Speaking of Polaris. It has moved throughout recorded history. We have records of it moving slowly over time.
@@Glassehindeed yes
The hosts shouldn't let a caller take control of the show.
true, should be matt like
Agreed….these guys are wayyyy to passive.
That's due to the format of Talk Heathen. Some of the other shows are more host led.
@@Lord.1337-7 They aren't in control of the microphones? Regardless of format, they don't have to let someone yammer on and on.
@@cshubs That's just what they do on TH, idk.
"I'm confused.". The most true thing Hakiem said during the whole call.
This proves faith is definitely not evidence.
It's rare to hear a caller say so much without actually saying anything at all...
Not that rare unfortunately.
Rare, you say. 🤨
You must be new here.
All apologists do nothing but talk in circles - their ENTIRE job is to hide circular reasoning behind a thick, whirling wall of BS.
Is it?
Hakiem is a jordon Peterson fan boy.
Haakeem may need a check up. The simplest gumball analogy is like climbing Mt. Everest on a sormy, cloudy day, in the middle of a cold winter night.
😂
Id love for this guy to walk me through the mathematics of anything
Hahahabaha
you *must* be a mazochist
I would loose my sh!t pretty quick
"Golden ratio is everywhere man, understand THAT...I'm doing precision mathematics here. You giving me gumballs"
That would be like masturbating with a cheese grater; somewhat amusing, but painful!
@@sadderwhiskeymann , I already did. It was chaotic 😀
That loaded die analogy by Jamie is so good. Sucks that it didn't seem to get through to Hakiem.
I liked the Yahtzee add on, especially since you need to get Yahtzee every game to win.
I like to think I have a decent attention span. I don't jump around too much but 20 minutes in and I switched to some Mario Kart to take a break. This guy's exhausting.
Edit: and now that I've finished it I've come to the conclusion that, ironically enough, this guy's problem has much more to do with attention span than belief. He's so excitable. He *can't* just take a breath and learn something.
And he very mush did accuse them of saying the universe came from nothing. Like hollering it, over them, several times, where there's no possibility of misunderstanding what he meant. He needs to just take a step back.
“I have faith the brick wall will part before me before I crash my-“
This is an example of what happens when you take education out of schools and put in theology instead. Welcome to Talibama.
Talibama? Is the implication that Obama caused public schools to switch to private religious schools with the voucher system? Because that was instituted by conservatives so the name is bizarre 🤨
The willful ignorance of this one is strong
Absolutely. He's proof one can mentally have their fingers in their ears as well as physically but he seems to have a problem with paying attention too.
motivated stupidity? (just started the call; as yet unsure, but it doesn't look good for the caller)
Did we just hear a "look at the trees" argument but replaced with "look at the stars"?
And badly
I have a telescope so when I go outside at night I can watch all the chaos I want! And there's plenty of it up there.
I want to say this caller has the intellectual capacity of a small child, but even small children understand the concept of long stretches of time.
If you axe me....I can tell you exactly where intelligence wasn't designed. 🤣
That's just a dialect. The stupidity is elsewhere.
You've heard of the Argument From Incredulity ? Well, turns out, Hakiem is Incredulity.
"Hey, you talked over me!"
~guy who talked over the hosts constantly for a solid half hour
The universe is under no compulsion to make sense to you.
I believe in the Unseen Great Fairy😂😂😂
If i worship her will i get my clothes upgraded for free or do i still have to kill monsters and collect their horns?
Hakiem IS the great fairy 🧚🏼♂️
@@mr.c2485 But does he have a horn?
I've seen the Great Fairy, unfortunately, she was gay
The majority of what this guy said wasn't even being said to the hosts, or acknowledging what they were saying at all. He was just talking to his own audience and saying what got good response from them.
The perfect amount of water is on Earth of which 98% isn't drinkable. Nice job God...
Yeah, I was wondering how he determined how the amount of water we have is "perfect".
Reminds me of the a Puddle analogy.
New fear unlocked: we are sitting on pop rocks in a giant’s mouth
I love how when these people with imaginary friends get so upset because we won’t fall for their child like thought process
yeah but have you considered looking at the trees
/s
I can’t believe how flustered Hakiem got with the gumball analogy 🤣
Edit: whoops dropped my bubblegums
The amount of adults who lose their minds when others don't agree with them is astounding to me. I can see children getting heated like this, even teenagers I can see it. Adults, however should be more reasonable.
There's an old college humour video that compares theists to nerds and it actually fits so well. People getting so worked up when someone disagrees with them about their favourite fictional character
Tbf, passion can be misconstrued as “losing one’s mind.” Like when I get passionate I get louder, but that’s mainly cause I was raised by half-deaf people, so my natural voice is loud, and I have to consciously suppress it, which becomes harder when I become passionate. Similarly, I also speak pretty fast naturally, but suppress it consciously, so when I become passionate I become louder plus talk fast. This is commonly assumed to be me getting mad or upset, when it’s far from the truth, typically. Just keep things like this in mind, because it can lead to a pretty negative bias to form, which I’ve experienced personally.
Wow this caller was infuriating. Apparently he seems to think if he just yells various "points" as loudly and as quickly as possible then he's made some sort of valid argument.
Beetlejuice is reported to be getting ready to explode and that would have destroy one of the most long-standing constellations history is looked at!
How did this go on for 49 mins
"oh no I'm accusing you" - that sent me 🤣
It's funny to me how scared these people are of not knowing something. "Do you believe me? You were with me the whole time... Do you believe I know that the gumballs are even?"
Caller: :has literal existential crisis:
He knows EXACTLY where that line of reasoning leads. And it's easier for him to be obstinate and difficult because it delays him from accepting the OBVIOUS elephant in the room. That is, if you don't know a thing, you are allowed to not have an answer. But that terrifies some people so "god" is the placeholder answer to soothe their unease. My favorite quote is from Don on this show where he says "god is the sum total of our ignorance". That is the utility of god for this caller. To help him sleep better at night knowing he plugged in an answer even if it's wrong.
God did it all! Now, that was easy, no need to overwork my little brain too much, time for tea!
Lol, arrogant stupid people are hilarious. Thanks for the laughs, Hakiem.
Always the dunning kruger
I’ve met many of them like him. Who chuckle “knowingly” as you try to set them straight.
"It's not chaotic if i'm not present to witness it."
The confidence he has while explaining nothing lol
it’s common with dumb people
Chaos Theory written by James Gleik.
As much as I want to think I'm smart or knowledgeable, this book crushed me.
"Things change over time" is NOT an analogy, Hakim.
I'm guessing this guy's head will explode the day he learns the sun is moving too.
I'm sure he thinks that shooting stars are really stars that fall to earth.
Well of course they are. The Bible says so😂
I want that hat, it looks amazing!
Every other caller:
Um yeah. Give me a university quality education on various subjects and then explain everything that occurred in the universe since it began in the next ten minutes...or before i get bored and decide i won, or else God must exist.
Hakiem doesn't know about stellular procession. In 12,000 years, the North Star will no longer be Polaris, but a star called Vega.
This dude didnt pay attention a single day in science class and considers himself able to argue against it. Its actually embarrassing 😂
Why would they want that MF'er to call in again?
"Don't interrupt me while I am busy interrupting you!" Rudeness and ignorance frequently go hand in hand but never moreso than with Hakeem.
Ignorant, cocky, loud...terrible combo.
Typical theist, I'm not surprised at all
YOU GUYS ARE POSITIVELY AWESOME, KIND, AND INTERESTED...
I axed (asked) you a question…
If I axe a tree to the ground, would it make sense to say that I ask that tree, instead?
If I sound bigoted, I apologize! Whether or not you see me as bigoted, I see ‘at ‘ar as humorous!😃
And I absolutely love Rices’ dialogue in ‘Uncle Toms’ Cabin’!!🥰
Makes me want to cry and laugh at the same time.
I crown thee Yellman the First, King of Nonsequiturs.
He is hysterical. To the point of missing what they keep trying to tell him.
When i hear: let me axe u😂🍿🍿🍿
Sad that a nan with a sixth grade education thinks he knows what he is talking about
It took our local solar system billions of years to become inhabitable for us.
nah, gawd poofed all of it into existence 6000 years ago. 🤣🤣🤣
Habitable
"pop rocks exploding in your mouth" = creation of the universe.
He has a menacing tone.
Why is it this hard for many theists to understand that atheism is simply one answer to one question?
There is no limit to the stupidity of believers.
I have to admit that I get anxious about people's stupidity. I wonder about our level of development and competence, which is unbelievably high and developing at a tremendous speed, yet these Bronze Age thought patterns are still present in the vast majority of people. WTF??
We’re here and this is all awesome!! Therefore GOD!!!! 😂
doesn't understand the gumball anlogy, surprise !
Sounds like Hakiem's brain absorbed every other word in science class. Bless his heart.
Eventually Hakeem may learn that shouting and squealing is not the best way to make his point or convince the hosts to explain the many things he doesn't understand.
Thinking this is the kind of person that can benefit from school is adorable.
I need to such a hat for pride next year.
Small correction: Only elements up to and including iron come from standard stars. Heavier elements like uranium, germanium, actinium, and otherwise all come from collisions of neutron stars.
" You need to believe in my unseen god. Then you need to listen to me and do what I tell you to do without questioning me. And you need to hate who I tell you to hate and love only who I say you can love. You need to live your life in only those ways that I say you can live. All this in the name of my unseen god. But most important, you must give me money!"
Dude came in hot, first thing he said was that he wanted to axe them
I studied advanced mathematics and I have no idea what this dude is on about.
If you’re gonna be ignorant, def be super aggressive too
The odds of reality being as it is, is 1 to 1. A one occurrence out of one sampling, this means things are 100% likely to happen as it did from the data we have
I haven’t had pop rocks in forever. I want some now.
Someone need to explain for this caller that we can see further away with a telescope than with the naked eye.
“I axed you a Quechun”…
When I hear "axed" instead of "asked" it really hurts my ears... Is that a normal southern accent or something else?
@@jankodes197it is fairly common in many areas of the States.
I'm going to be real with you what makes this comment absolute gold is how you spelled question....I'm crying lol
Oh my I thought for a moment I heard the 7-Day cycle
@jankodes197 it's a very normal way African-Americans say it.
I have no idea why, tho. It's not hard to say asked. I'm not even American, and I can say it.
Just because you want things to be true doesn't make them true.
Science begins with the statement "I do not know".
The level of education with some of the callers is telling
“No point intended…” 🤣
"It's okay - none taken!"
Its hard when people are to stupid to argue with.
Another compelling argument from ignorance.
Did hakiem say "no point intended"?😂😂 smh
Thank you... I heard that crap too. 😂😂😂
I was just in the universe where humans don't exist and we were discussing how the fact that we don't exist seemed to indicate there is no God and I said guys, guys yeah sure we aren't here, but what does that have to do with anything? But the they said "pop rox" and I said shiiiiiit you're right.
Of all callers this one confused me the most.
He did seem to take opposing views a few times.
@@theriffwriter2194 I'd be fine if he straight out contradicted himself so long as I could find something coherent to latch on to.
I don't see chaos, and neither do you.
You guys were so generous with the mute button.....I'd have worn it down to a nub!
I really appreciate that question... would you look at the world in any other way as you accept faith
This guy is so unserious. Next caller.
I hate the habitable zone argument. Earth has not always nor will it always be in the habitable zone. And the zone is also fucking massive.
Holy crap! I don't know why so many callers get so angry. Dang, I want to call in some time.
This may be the most infuriating call I’ve heard
He might not have a great deal of sense, but you have to appreciate his zest.
Wait....so the Egyptians created the Golden Ratio? 🤨
This guy is Dunning Kruger at it's peak.
Love you guys!