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My family are evangelical Christians and I am an atheist, and our lifestyles are almost identical. The difference is I have no existential fear.
Having no religion does not make you more resistant to existential fear. I would even say that its more likely as many find comfort in religion when they are in crysis or seek way to not fall into it. It does not make it true, but for many it makes this easier by giving answers.
@@lurandir8230 depends on the religion, but I grew up in a family that continues to fear hell. I don’t have existential fears, since having left the faith. That was the extent of my statement.
There are a million ways to fantasize about the universe but an evidence-based approach combined with a healthy network of friends and family gives one a great emotional grounding. If you have crappy social network then maybe you need the community of a church.
@@lurandir8230 Accepting An answer in lue of a better answer is the surest way of avoiding an accurate answer. The comfort blissful ignorance provides can't hold a candle to the comfort agency provides. Terror management is an issue we all deal with. Do you want a passifier or reality based means to move forward?
I find that hard to believe. I'll readily accept that none of them are supernatural in nature, but I'm sure you experience existential dread. I'm pretty sure it's a natural experience, from time to time, even if only the irrational, catastrophizing response to an otherwise mundane stressor.
If you're being hyperbolic, I can get behind that as well.
If you're being both sincere and literal, than I have to say, I'm wildly interested in hearing more, especially how I might achieve such a state.
Live well
@@TheSnoeedogI don't experience existential dread. What's the point?
My lifestyle is 21st century, urban wageslave.
The show does not preach anything, thats the whole point.
These shows "spread the Good Word". Reason.
When Albert asked what atheists believe in, my first response was "nothing". But I thought about it and came to the conclusion, that I, too, have a firm believe, meaning that I trust in something that I cannot prove. And that is, that doing good things will make the world a better place for everyone but also for me. I believe, that my kindness will sort of echo back to me. And thus far I wasn't wrong with that. But I don't need any religion to tell me that.
I'd say that's not a belief, but evidence-based.
People doing good things will make the world a better place. That's just logic.
You seem to go a step further however with the "echoing back to me" part, that sounds a lot like Karma and would be a belief, yes.
@@cy-one As I said, I BELIEVE that. And yes, it's kind of karma, but not in the next life.
I don’t have a belief like the religious have a belief. I don’t believe in things I cannot observe, measure, or independently verify. Scientists continually provide evidence for all of their claims, which makes their claims easy to believe because science doesn’t hide anything or make up BS stories when asking for evidence of the claims.
This is not believe, it’s trust.
@@cy-oneI've come to realize there are two kinds of karma, one being supernatural bullshit the other however can be demonstrated in that [in general]if you treat others well most will respond in a similar fashion, but if you treat others poorly there are generally consequences.
Note:I'm not sure if i need to say this or not but I'm going to anyway, this is a generalization and as such there are clear exceptions
My lifestyle is coffee, books, and cats.
Klingt gut. 👍
Right On! I would add mineral collecting and astronomy.
Just think how much better we all would be if Churches paid taxes!!!!!
Yea then these fake ass reverends or whatever wouldnt preach humbility but have six million dollar mansions.....
It's possible that enough revenue could be collected from organized religion to eliminate personal income taxes.
then you need to get hold of your local Democrat Senator and get the ball rolling
There’s a church next to where I live and the preacher shows up in a rolls Royce that his private driver drops him off in. Depending on the day it can be a different car. They have an entire private security force that drives around on campus as if they’re defending the White House.
They have a 2 million $ home in tx which at the time it was purchased, is insane! It would be roughly over 5 million now. That’s a lot of home in TX.
@@hidden546 pure grifters, theivies what ever you want to call them, and the people that give them money are just dumb as rocks
Yes I'm all for a good throwback, specially if it has Matt in it!
"We're so sorry, Uncle Albert."
(Atheist lifestyle: WTF are you even talking about?)
Well... I haven't done a bloody thing all day.
But the kettle's on the boil
And we're so easily called away
I liked that Paul McCartney song. Thanks.
@@lizzieh5284 if that was a joke, pretty funny.
If you actuallty glitched on the Beatles, not so much.
It happens. I recall 2 teens, 30 years ago. Singing "that Air Canada song"
_You say goodbye. While I say hello._
@@brucebaker810 no joke. It was a McCartney song. 'Hello, Goodbye' another great Beatles song. I grew up loving their music.
Caller was a sensible, feeling man. I might think his theism is misguided, but it sounds like his heart is with humanity. I'm with you bro.
Edit: just rememberd he's a 7th day adventist, and he just said he "almost believes reincarnation exists, and there are studies to support that". *cough*
Maybe not the most sensible. But he still expresses a desire to minimise harm and cruelty to the world and its inhabitants, I am on board with that!
I would say to him "When your belief makes you feel good, helps you do positive things, prevent harm against others, regardless who they are, not judge over others, then be my guest. Especially as I can see that you have enough own judgement to see how your religion is ABused by others, that is great and VERY rare".
Reincarnation - fishy,. But he seems to be rather focused on the EXISTING world, so I have hope he won't fall for too much nonsense.
But I agree with you, religion provides an abundance of opportunities to fall into some pits that open up the deeper down you go.
what a 7 dayer ?
@@petermeichan3160 as fsr as I know, the sabbath is Saturday to them rather than Sunday.
@@rylanasher4756 just been listening to him, what a wacko even for a christian
@@petermeichan3160 he seemed to have a heart for human decency, which isn't the norm in Christ-lovers. However. he did have some really dumb beliefs regarding theology and religion. Wacko describes it well.
I’m glad people like this caller have this show to interact with.
I admit as an atheist my lifestyle is pretty crazy...
Outside of work in environmental law, I volunteer for a couple of charities. Outside of that, I spend time with my family. My free time is spent mountain biking, bushwalking and kayaking. I also write and play music and restore muscle cars.
Go back some time to when I was a theist and I worked in environmental law, I volunteered for a couple of charities. Outside of that, I spent time with my family. My free time was spent mountain biking, bushwalking and kayaking. I also wrote and play music and started restoring a muscle car.
I can really see how atheism has changed my lifestyle.
You may want to edit this, it may alert the feds that you are an alien from a planet with longer days where you can fit all that into your schedule.
My days are spent struggling to wake up, eating, and then going to sleep.
I live more like my christian parents now as an atheist than i did as a Christian. By which i mean my lifestyle is keep my home, care fore my daughter, play with the dogs, and work on personal projects. Though i don't go to other countries to tell them they're going to hell like my parents, so thankfully i left that behind lol
@@LordOfThePancakes please demonstrate to me that without appealing to the Bible
@@LordOfThePancakes also. Threats are a terrible way to convince someone your position is correct.
Believe in me or burn.
Instead of interacting with me directly and clearly.
Great system.
@@LordOfThePancakes a god who sends people to hell for not believing in him is a god we wouldnt want to worship anyway.
@@LordOfThePancakesIt sounds like your personal feelings rule your religious beliefs.
Saying that people are going to burn in your made up hell because they don't believe your delusions sounds very personal to me.
This is why people don't take you religious people seriously.
You come across as nut jobs.
And to top it off, not one religious person has ever been able to prove their gods existence or to back up any of their baseless assertions and hollow claims.
@@LordOfThePancakesYou saying that your specific god is going to send people to burn for eternity in hell because they don't believe your religious beliefs is sounds pretty personal to me. Your feelings are hurt by the sounds of it.
Not one religious person has ever provided evidence for hell or their gods existence.
What makes you think you know whats going to happen when we die.
Even if you think you know, how do you prove hell exists without using your bible.
Caller: i will be able to show you an example of your own cognitive dissonance .
Narrator: no, he couldnt.
This episode was fantastic, very helpful in many ways thank you!
Thanks Jami, the guy never finished his story about what his dad said about the son's flood explanation. I did want to know. 😢.
Me too.
Thanks for the explanation on diference to the atheist experience - it's safe to say I love that show, but it's maily for its comedic qualities. It's safe to say this setup suits me better.
39:22 wow. years of watching these videos from various call in shows and this is the first time I've heard a Harvey reference. One of my favourite films of all time. (Though I know it's incredibly unlikely, I am still holding out hope for my pooka under a lamp post. A fool's hope, I'm sure, but I do still enjoy the whimsy of the idea.)
Such a great film...
Matt didn’t get away so lightly with Alex O’Connor on the bacon question!
It comes down to Alex being not only able to express himself so clearly and well, but also being able to hole Matt's feet to the fire. The caller here got distracted with the treatment of cats, which was really unnecessary to bring up to begin with. Actually, it was kind of worrying that he brought it up at all and kept bringing it up, and discounted emotional harm. Hell, I live in a northern area, if you put a cat out in the box for six months you don't have a cat anymore: it found a new home, died, or went feral.
I know this is an old video, but Albert a truck driver may have died driving your food to your store.
Thanks for the video.
This started of like it would be very confrontational....
Off*
"Ate a man once."
"You ate someone?"
"Just a leg. In a siege."
"That's horrible!"
"Not with mustard."
I have cats and eat bacon. Not only that, I've raised and slaughtered a pig myself. That pig was the fattest, happiest, most frustratingly crafty and smug little bastard I've seen in a long long time. It had a good life which was ended quickly enough that he probably didn't even have a chance to realise it was happening. Locking a cat in a crate is harmful. Locking a pig in a crate is harmful. I would avoid eating a cat as much as I possibly could due to sentimental attachments to other cats.
To be fair, I was a bit sentimental about the bacon also. And having raised calves and cows for butchering, I've had the same issues. One of our ways of dealing with that was to swap with a neighbor. Sure we know that the cow is going to be killed, but we knew that from day one also. And again, they had good long lives breaking fences and generally misbehaving. Boxes were not involved.
I know of another family that reared three pigs for the table. They had young children who played with the piglets, and knew it might be an issue later. So they named the pigs Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner. Animals were very well treated. Sure their lives were only about two thirds as long as they might have otherwise been, but they only existed in the first place due to the farm also. There's also a case to be made that two thirds of a fantastic life is better than all of a short hard brutal life that it might have otherwise had as a feral animal. Or even a long hard brutal life spent mostly hungry and constantly in fear of not finding the next meal..
Yes it's a bit uncomfortable, but not horribly so. Besides, several animals that turned out to have an excess of personality ended up dying of old age. Ever seen a black cow turn grey with age? Damn thing would come when you call and lead the others around. Hell, we treated her arthritis. Proper farmers DO care for their animals. It's battery farms and mass production in the name of money that are where problems are.
I’m going through flashbacks right now!!
Good segment
Reminds me of a religious education class at school.. (I was already atheist)
Draw a picture of god... I drew a guy with a pitchfork, horns and hooves.
When questioned, I said it as possible as any other i.she as God because they are all fictional.
I got a detention but not won the debate, my parents just laughed and said it shows he thinks and considers.
My sister and I went to state comprehensive schools, she went on the read modern languages at St Anne's ,Oxford University, whilst I sneaked into read ancient history archaeology and philosophy at Warwick University.
Twelve minutes in. I think I like this caller. He's open to the idea that he doesn't have all the answers and that people before him may not have had all the answers either.
Albert seems like a very nice guy trying to figure this mess out sincerely.
i never understood the connection between religion ('supernatural' claims) and veganism (preference to killing plant life over animal life for sustenance).
You don't have to kill a plant to eat portions of it. You DO have to kill animals to eat portions of them, however. I'm not a vegan, but your assertion is flawed.
I think it's the enthusiastic evangelism. Both are very willing to tell you why you should be one regardless of your interest level.
@@Quinn37Watch Alex O'Connor's take on the subject. If someone can convince you that eating animals is unethical for us (Alex is an atheist, btw), it has to be him.
@@JDdr86 thank you for a demonstration of my point.
@@JDdr86 also thanks for the reminder that sausage will go great with my eggs for breakfast.
38:17 Jamie doesn't know where bacon comes from. 🐷🤦🏻♂️
My prayers are always answered. The answers are yes, no, or not at this time. No, sorry, that was my magic 8-ball.
I don't understand why people won't just accept that eating the meat of (CAFO'd) conscious animals is immoral...
I eat the meat of CAFO'd animals, but it's wrong. Period. Just be intellectually honest.
no athists lifestyle, no athiest worldview, no athist ' gospel ' god damn
Sometimes when I have watched too many horror movies I' get scared of the dark. What is helping me a lot is to say: "Science. Science. Science." It's a very powerful word. Works so much better than god stuff. But you have to believe in science of course 😅
I'll be a vegan all he wants. Does he want to be a vegan? I'll admit that eating any animal meat especially produced by modern industrial agriculture is wrong, but that I'm too weak and lazy to hold to my ideals. Would he admit to being weak and lazy?
My goal is not to promote atheism but rational philosophy. If one adopts reason as one's only means of knowledge and guide to action, the world would be dramatically better. Not perfect, no, but much, much better. Suppose one accepts reason as one's only means of knowledge. In that case, the first thing to go will be the belief in anything supernatural or outside of the realm that we live, experience, and learn about because reason is incompatible with the notion of a god that exists in some other dimension that has magical powers to rearrange reality to suit it's pleasure.
Smart kid, first one I've heard in dozens and dozens of callers. Too bad he was indoctrinated by his blind faith father. I hope he finds his way out of the chains of daddy's faith.
My worldview is based on the Bible.
I love fantastic stories involving magic spells and frogs.
(Exodus 8:7)
•Madalyn Murray O'Hair Quote: “Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer..
That was such a sweet wish for Jamie :3c
I like that shirt Jamie, not so much the colour, but the style. But this is probably the most useful call to me that i've ever seen on either show. I learned a lot about both sides.
Edit: Until the so-called gotcha moment. It was idiotic and gross.
Matt's initial explanation of how he makes moral decisions is "If everyone lived this way, would it be a benefit to humanity" completely breaks apart when he is confronted with eating bacon, most of which is aquired through unnecessary suffering in factory farms. If everyone sustained themselves on factory farmed food, which is becoming a bigger reality as years go on, it is detrimental to human life, animal life, and the life of our planet. His justification for it being "situational" is utter nonsense in this case, because the situation isnt forcing him to make the decision to eat bacon, there are many other options that objectively cause less harm. He just isnt choosing that option, because, as he said, his enjoyment should be considered. But level of enjoyment is irrelevant to the morality of all other harmful actions. No one would think you are morally justified to dump oil in the ocean, just because you enjoy it. But the animal ag industry causes that level of environmental harm every day.
No two people in the whole world have the same exact DNA and no two people have the same exact ‘religion’ even though on Sundays or Sabbaths…..they think they do. It’s an illusion, or more probably a delusion.
Train example one way are two children other way 5 older people -which way
Its not immoral to end an animal for the purpose of eating it. It doesnt matter what animal it is.
Someone check on alberts cats
Although Albert seems to have difficulty formulating the contradiction, I do agree that it's there. Most people that I know of agree that animals have moral worth. Less than that of a human, but still worthy of moral consideration due to their ability to experience emotion and subjective experiences. If companies treated cats or dogs the way we treat pigs and cows, people would be burning slaughterhouses to the ground. The way industry treats these animals is absolutely insane, and people generally want to remain ignorant about it so as to not feel any obligation to change their behavior.
"We are speaking with the same tounge. "
"Preaching to the choir"
Would that be the same?
I dont think anyone on this episode knows what cognitive dissonance is
I think it’s hilarious that Americans think they need to travel to the Caribbean to spread the gospel. There are literally thousands of churches there and…people travel out of the Caribbean to spread the gospel…😂
Albert sounds just like that dude from Family Guy who keeps talking about that time he was "about to bone his girlfriend" but then something bad happens and "so there was no way!"
Actions speak louder than words. You can pray all you want, but it's just an attempt to make you feel better, because you can't or won't be a part of the solution. It's time for humanity to grow up and stop cleaving to an over 2000 year old book that is so full of myths, contradictions and immoral teachings that it has no place in our modern world. I trust in the scientific method over just believing without any evidence in a fantasy man in the sky. I'm comfortable with not knowing everything, and interested in learning new things. Keep an open mind!
Cats RULE!
All animals RULE!
The bible game (2 players or more): Open the old testament in a random page, read a random part, do what that part says. Last person to go to prison wins. 😝
Id be careful with this one...someone might actually play it without a care for the consequences
Finding refuge in delusion is the reason quite a lot of people go to church.
Finding community is another.
A discussion is to be had as to whether either is harmful to the individual or to society as a whole.
Does it depend on what's taught in the church, and what the accepted norms of the community are?
If the teaching ("take care of one another") and the norms ("be a good neighbour, take care of the environment") are innocuous, what harm is there?
A REfuge for those who REfuse to REason?
The issue is that it doesn't stop there. Christians, theocrats, christofascists, especially here in America, are successfully pounding their religious dogmas upon everyone else in our society.
Be a nice refuge, be deluded, have a community. Fine. But stop there. Your beliefs are your beliefs. But keep your dogma out of government, law, and society at large.
Hope that helps explain just a few of the reasons. There's tons more reasons. But the theocrats can't just stop there. They always believe their way is the right way 'cause their good 2000 year old book says so'.
Preaching is the problem.
Outsourcing your decision making is the problem.
Hierarchical structures are the problem.
Churches are not a good community. You can have community without the undue influence of a creed or leader.
I had in mind the Quakers.
No preachers, as far as I am aware. And they have had a beneficial influence here in the UK. I don't know of any harm they've done.
@@stephentyndale-biscoe3715 They're Christian.
You can't think of anything wrong with that?
How has believing in God helped humanity?
I kinda sided with the caller when they started talking about eating bacon. Eating meat seems almost an irrational thing to do in any sense
How is it irrational? Surely it’s rational to do as the most effective way of getting nutrients we require…especially in the past
As an atheist vegan it’s really unfortunate to I watch my fellow atheists twist logic and reason to justify their own desire to eat animals. There’s no justification to treat other non human animals the way we do. Eating them isn’t necessary for human health.
There’s no consistency and I’d love to debate my fellow atheists on it. Just goes to show that people - even those who are otherwise logical - can find ways to justify what they want. The cognitive dissonance!
Preaching to the choir = pushing against an open door?
Except pushing on an open door isn’t kinda pointless like the former implies…pushing may be required to shut an open door depending on hinges and which side of the doorway you’re stood at
I liked this guy. He seemed well informed. I hope he finds his way, whatever that may be. Without the animal abuse obviously.
When he started on inconsistencies, and him being SDA it was obvious where he was going. Either that or trans issues, but he sounded too nice to go there.
The Buddha knew this 2500 years ago. He knew that god wasn’t going to help people so he figured out how to teach people to help themselves. God has nothing to do with enlightenment. God has no relevance in Buddhism
Albert sounds like he might find a midground being a Deist. If he isn't sure about all of the things in the bible, or any of the bible, and is agnostic about god...
He might come to the conclusion that he believes there is a god, Abrahamic religions might not be the take he believes in, and might not wish to have doctrine, but still believes in some remote way that isn't based on doctrine or scripture.
It’s worth noting that Matt has become a bit more sympathetic to veganism since this call, though to date he still isn’t one.
Jup. Sad he hasnt yet
He just can’t get over the hump that is bacon
Eh, it’s not like the rest of us were born vegans either.
@@Leith_Crowther …and this needed to be said why?
@@waynedexterIt came up in the conversation, and I know that his position then isn’t the same as his position now. Other people might not have known that. The people who don’t care don’t care, I guess.
What on earth is 'an atheist lifestyle'?
Perfection.
I read that the 14 books were not included because it would have cost too much to print at the time ;-)
Capitalism strikes again!
What is the atheist lifestyle?
@@danbeaulieu2130 A lifestyle of Atheist ;-)
Last chapter was "buy the sequel. Or this will happen to you." (The further 14)
@@danbeaulieu2130 not believing in any gods is the only thing that makes someone an atheist. Lifestyle depends on the individual.
If your not here to explain your cause and convince folks of your way...why do you have a show.
This whole thing was just an opportunity for a vegetarian (probably a vegan) to moralize.
Are cats as delicious as bacon?
Do they taste like chicken?
Hmm.
Nah, raising meat-eating animals for meat is just silly. Herbivoricide ftw!
Your comment regarding taste doesn't change the cognitive dissonance that caging animals for 6 months is abusive unless they are to be eaten.
The question is not raising and killing but whether common production methods are abusive and tolerable in modern society.
Full disclosure i love chicken.
Also bacon is overrated
@@jacobmarley2417 yes. I made levity. I didn't Pursue (or Purdue) Gravitas. It's a topic you take very...
Bite me.
That pig conversation was painful. It was clear where the caller was going but Matt and Jamie in their typical dense mindsets went to that “prison” example which clearly had nothing to do with the callers point. I wish they thought a little more they seem to be on as much a script as apologists are
my father spanked me as a child and it never did me any harm and it didn't make me violent
And since everyone is exactly the same... Your sample size of one seems a bit small.
@@philarmstrong3765 and the claim that spanking children makes them hit other kids is nonsense cos as you say we are all different
@@petermeichan3160not nessecarily makes them violent, but it very well can, and it is overall really bad for their mental health.
Is Matt gay?
Most likely bisexual, though what difference would it make to his rationale?
Besides, he had a wife, and currently has a girlfriend.
"you're gay homie"
I believe his partner is trans.
I have eaten dog , Best damn Kebab i ever had.
Isn`t this bloke committing the equivocation fallacy, LOl soon as i finished writing Matt came out with it.
22:06 Matt is talking about Australian Aboriginal society before 1788.
But Matt believes we do not exist , Yet here i am.
My Pc Jamie makes around with both CPU (16 of them) GPU x2 GDDR 6 ram and 128 Gig of MOBO ram, It makes around 7 trillion calculation's a sec and not even break a sweat, GET an education jamie.
memory speed - 14 Gbps