"Jesus Is Omniscient, For The Bible Tells Me So!" | Talk Heathen: Throwback
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If you say “I understand science” and the first thing that comes out of your mouth is “science is bad because it changes too much” then you don’t have a clue about how science works.
a 7 year old boy will Have different ideas from a 9-year-old boy, who will also have different opinions than that same boy at fifteen. Should he stop learning?
rant add: lots of christians are super sceptical and pessimistic (to the world and others) yet they arent to themselves what they believe in
@@uncleanunicorn4571what does your question have to do with his comment?
@VitoDRF It's a Metaphor, When science changes it's called learning.
Coming out of his ass for profit reasons and not because he might believe it. Who knows its all insane repeats anyway.
My man really said "I believe the Bible, I don't know why you're bringing up fictional stories"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"Muh version of evidence is something that was meticulously recorded..."
Then dude, why are you using the Bible because that wasn't a first hand historical account. 🤣😂🤣😂
Without a hint of irony or self reflection.
@@joemiller7082 Unfortunately, that's what indoctrination does to you. When I was a bible thumping Southern Baptist, I wanted to defend the bible with evidence and justify it as a historical document. I did the same argument this guy did with the fossils on top of mountains and all of that. But then when I started analyzing the evidence, I found that the bible didn't hold up to scrutiny.
@@dieseljester3466 Oof, don't tell him that most of history was oral, especially early Judaism ahahah
@@Callimo Right? It's one huge game of telephone.
He's 58 years old and reasons like a child, I realised just how bad religious claims were when I was 8 years old and I am quite a bit older that this plank, I'm going on 72 and I have been an atheist all that time.
72 here. Same story. Came across a Bible in the neighbors house, when I was 8, opened to the Noah Flood story. I knew right then, I was never going to take seriously anything from this book.
@@rickdelatour5355 It was that very story that made me realise it was all garbage, I live in a city that used to build ships and watched oh they did it, I knew no old man and his untrained family could build a baot like that.
Yep Noah's flood story clinched it for me too... I asked the teacher "how did kangaroos and koalas TO the ark then how'd they get BACK to Australia?" (I'm Australian) and she said "that was one of gods miracles" I knew then she had no answer so it was bs... That was grade 5, so 9 or 10.
@@TheZombieSaints That's my favourite question for them, I've never had a sensible answer yet. They hadn't even discovered Australia then.
At about the time when kids stop believing in Santa Claus, they also can jettison Jesus and Paul Bunyan.
58 years old and this is the best he can do.
It's not completely his fault. Successful religions have lasted for centuries _because_ they teach that doubt is devils influencing you, and that changing your mind can condemn you forever.
I absolutely _guarantee_ that he has his doubts. He might even know, in the back of his mind, that it's all nonsense. But those kinds of thoughts are pushed into a dark corner of his mind that he's _not allowed_ to look at.
I've done it. He'll deconvert if he's ever fully honest with himself.
The most telling part is him immediately wanting to change the topic once he was pressed on his education and research on evolution and cosmology..
Yea I was about to say. He sounds like he is the result of pure indoctrination mixed with a dearth of education. A deadly combination. I don't think it's his fault he's this stupid. I think it was most likely done TO him. I'm sure he probably made it worse by doing enough drugs to kill several elephants, but then again so did I and I'm not this incoherent.
@@lubrew5862 "You're taking me off topic! You're leading me down a rabbit trail! Tangent!"
"Oh, my education and research? Well, it'd be a lot more interesting to talk about this other thing so let's do that!"
@@EaglesQuestions Its incredibly sad. No doubts, no questions, no curiosity... or else. I've known very sick people like that.
How did David manage to dial the right numbers with his knuckles?
This was rude. And I am still laughing.continue this way.
What's the saying about a monkey with infinite time and paper? He was probably trying to dial for the last 10 years and just got the right combination this time.
six minutes in and I've already punched all of my bingo card with this caller. 🤣
Science keeps on changing. It's called learning.
Hearing David talk is actually painful. I don't know how Kenneth and Arden did this call with the grace and patience they exhibited lol.
How can a 58yr old be this clueless???
It’s mind boggling on how one can think this with confidence. It makes my IQ hurt.
I imagine he’s using the same methods that clueless people of every other age use.
Precisely my exact thoughts!
Yea, but he is the SMARTEST in his high scoolh astronomy class !!!! LMAO !!!!
It's probably all the leaded gas...the older generations are fubar.
people get set in their ways and don't want to change so much that they're actually afraid of it.
“There is a cult of ignorance… and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
- Isaac Asimov
"I don't have a problem with ignorance. We are all ignorant about a variety of subjects we are not currently aware of. The real problem is when that ignorance is wilful, intentional and used as a weapon against anyone who disagrees with you, or anyone who has the nerve to present facts you don't want to accept."
- anyone who actually cares about verifiable reality
"It is important to understand the distinction between an erroneous assumption and a stupid mistake.
Simply being wrong by no means necessarily involves an affront to sound reason. If a four-year-old child is taught that the first president of the United States was Charlton Heston, he or she will thereafter make a number of erroneous statements about that particular question. But this will not be because he or she has reasoned poorly. It will be simply because the child has relied on poor authority.
Stupidity, of course, can eventually enter into the process if individuals so unfortunately conditioned persist in their mistaken opinions for the rest of their lives, despite the availability of mountains of evidence to the contrary."
--Steve Allen. Dumbth: The Lost Art of Thinking With 101 Ways to Reason Better & Improve Your Mind
"I'm old therefore I'm right" is a horrible argument. Unfortunately, you can't reason with people like that.
I don't think "David" has ever read a Superman comic, let alone the Bible
I don't think he can read.
This man has clearly studied fu*k all about evolution!!
The Pagans™
@@sh91899 ?
@@porkyboy4226 he kept going on about the pagans
It appears to me that he is emotionally incapable of understanding science and how it evolves.
“about evolution” seems redundant.
"I don't believe in science" While using science everyday.
"ladies and gentlemen, step right up and bear witness to the most amazing oddity: the old man who thinks like a child!"
That's an insult to the reasoning capabilities of children.
@@VitoDRFthat’s true, children pick up both facts and concepts crazy quickly.
I love that he talks about Roman records like they weren't meticulous record keepers.
Fun fact: the romans wwre the least historical nation!
I've seen ignorance of science but this caller, no words!
David is another reason why the church has to be held accountable for the ignorance of it's followers!
"Change is scary" 🤣 🤣
"I'm going to tell you why the bible is evidence, I don't know why you are bringing up fictional stories". So close.
I laughed out loud at that part, too!
Fucking gold 😂
david didn't know anything about science or god til he was 18. Forty years later, he STILL has no clue about science.
ken had patience to spare.
I was waiting for this comment, because a few minutes before that he said he aced astronomy and was smarter than all the other students but failed to realize that astronomy is a science. He's a clown 🤡 🤣
It’s an incredible streak. I couldn’t go that long without accidentally learning something, but he’s nailed it.
You want to know about Jesus? How would you like it if someone came up to you and said, “I love you, I really, really love you, but if you don’t love me back, I’m going to set you on fire. That’s Jesus. That’s not salvation, that’s extortion. And it’s definitely not love. It’s like a Mafia thug telling you to obey the boss or I’m going to break your kneecaps. If you can love that person, you have a twisted idea of love.
"How would you like it if someone came up to you and said, 'I love you, I really, really, love you, but if you don't love me back, I'm going to set you on fire.'"
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Well, I didn't have that kink *BEFORE* ....
"I will make you an offer you can't refuse." --The Godfather.
Scary. This Dunning Kruger effect can vote. 🤦♂️
Exacly, one reason found why things going so bad in US.
I am reminded of a great Lional Hutz quote:
"We have plenty of hearsay and conjecture, Your Honor, those are KINDS of evidence..."
If there are sea shells on mountains, its because before it became a mountain, it was the ocean floor.
Are you sure? Have you considered that maybe it’s “derp, but mah book!”
@@thedave1771 Yes, I'm sure.
@@adamrspears1981 well I’ve never heard a theist make a coherent argument at this point, so I’m out of ideas. Maybe “derp, but mah book says it is real”?
I’ve probably been listening to too many of these, the stupid is starting to get to me.
I admire Arden's & Kenneth's restraint to not burst out laughing several times during this call! My goodness!
I’m hoping that was a crank call. The USA is a scary place.
i can not help it but it was really amusing ... pagans vs nazis, scripture vs fictional, jesus vs superman ... adult entertainment!
Caller in regard to Superman: _"I don't know why you're bringing up fictional stories"_
...Because you yourself brought up fictional stories (the Bible).
Not saying anything for certain, but decent chance this guy was a troll. His line "I was the best in my astronomy class" made me laugh and I think that may have been his intent.
The Bible is so historically accurate that it has Jesus being born twice, years apart. And then it also has him *dying* twice, years apart.
My go-to response to any "omni" argument is:
"If god is omniscient then he knows kids are being abused. If god is omnipresent then he's in the room while it's happening. If god is omnipotent then he's capable of stopping it. And if he's omni-benevolent then he should WANT to stop it. But every day kids get abused. Why does your god like watching kids get abused?"
Good point!
@@karenmiller6088 The last sentence requires a bit of a logical leap, but it's coming from an emotional place.
I guarantee that last sentence will shut it all down. It doesn’t follow from the rest, and all a theist has to do is say, “He doesn’t LIKE it.”
@@Leith_Crowther"Cool. So he just doesn't give a shit. Explain why I should worship him then." would be my response.
@@Leith_Crowther Most of them are so frustrated by that point they change the subject or revert to "The Bible tells me so" nonsense that theyre not focused on the fact that the last question doesn't necessarily follow logically. Ive worded it differently before and put a few steps between the second to last and the last in order to walk them there, but for brevity's sake here in TH-cam comments, it suffices.
“the global flood obviously happened guys”
loooool
These people vote , these people vote!!!
And can drive dangerous machinery, like a pick-up truck, carry a gun and most worrying of all....procreate!!
Fortunately, I think him ever working out where everything goes and how it works will be beyond him, not to mention ever finding anyone even MORE stupid than he is to let him try.
Lol 😂
To be fair, do you think he'll actually be able to work out how voting works, not to mention being able to slip past matron or his carer.
Lol.
Omni's are the easiest to debunk being logically contradictory
Just today I had a christian tell me my definition of omnipotence was wrong, because there are clearly things god has to do. Like how he HAD to create this world in order to then create the next, perfect world. They don't even understand what "omni" means.
Poor David
I've read The Lord Of The Rings, therefore bananas are blue da ba bee dancing queen.
See? I can spout nonsense too!
The irony of Arden arguing the “realness” of a thing is lost on him.
His belief in Jesus makes him OWN The Truth.
No need to KNOW the truth, no need to understand anything, no need for curiosity, for learning.
No need to formulate the truth in your own words.
When you OWN The Truth, you are intuitively right in all you think, say and do. Wonderful! You have all without ANY effort.
When you know NOTHING about EVERYthing, the simplest method is to declare some slogan ("Earth is flat" "God chose me", "more guns make us safer") as irrefutable Truth, so obvious it needs no further consideration. That mutates you into a genius that intuitively understands that what can be known, and all others change into deluded, indoctrinated morons that THINK they can explain the world, but it is all just an illusion.
It must be a wonderfully relaxed life when "Goddidit" is the explicit and exhaustive explanation for anything that terminates any further curiosity.
He’s running down the Superman trail all by himself.
Cellphone and PC at hand: ''science doesn't work''. Right... (or maybe it's because those phones can now also record videos where the earlier ones didn't, that makes it ''unreliable'' ?)
"Morons, your bus is leaving!"
It is a miracle that the caller gets through each day and 'function' as a 'thinking' being!
absolutely amazing when David accused the hosts of believing that superman exists, no notes
"Believe in my religion. Do what I tell you to do. Give me money."
David: "I'm a scientific person"
Also David: "I get all my information from the bible"
🤣
Kenneth is one of my favorite hosts !
Arden is Really Great as well.
David ~ I know all about science despite the fact that I know literally nothing about science for the Bible tells me so
He prayed to god then his Dad called to help him. Credit and gratitude belong to his Dad.
“I get all my science from the bible” and “i am a scientific person.” In the same god damn sentence
Clark Kent is Superman's fictional persona
Jesus is real like Superman is real?! FM, now I can lay down and die, I have heard it all.
Classic David from California. He proved that Dunning Kruger is his True Religious Affiliation 😂
Dave sounds like the drunk guy that was prank called in "Arnold Calls Drunk Guy Again."
"I don't see evolution, I don't see cosmology, I don't see climate change."
But did he see Jesus?
Pretty sure a global flood would change the climate lol 😂
In the time when early humans lived in the African grasslands the lions would have just loved David.
When your "world" consisted of how far you could see (five miles) from the furthest you'd ever been from home (half a day of brisk walking) the claim of a "world-wide flood" becomes more understandable. You had no reason to think the land you couldn't see was any different from the land you COULD see.
Plus, when transportation relied on walking, riding a horse or traveling by boat, in most areas visitors from out of town were so uncommon that the entire village could speak of little else for days.
I read that the 20th century was the first time in human history when the majority of people understood the world was far larger and more diverse than anything they could imagine!
His literal argument was "Jesus loves me this I know, for the bible tells me so"
I have rarely listened to a more confused and confusing caller..
It's fun for only 5 minutes. Past that, you only get a headache from the many facepalms.. 😂
I've had personal experience of Jesus, he came to me and said, "don't believe a word David says!" ;)
Very telling when he says he’s “58 years old and doesn’t see all these thing” a great pity that he lived his whole life with his eyes closed
The ignorance and cognitive dissonance is ASTOUNDING !!!!
By the way, just wanna say that the Bible DID change. The versions we have are absolutely not the versions folks had in the past. Plus, if it didn't change, there wouldn't be a New Testament 😂
Hilarious call
Trying to say that superman is real was probably not the smartest path to go down lol
David, my brother in Christ, lay off eating the lead paint chips
I think some people just conflate belief and evidence.
😂😂😂😂 Where to even begin with this caller.
He was begging the fuk out of the question: the Bible is true because it the Bible says it’s true.
David is hilarious!!!😂😂😂
My brain is bleeding
"You don't have any evidence that's remotely like someone stomping on your head."
Everything he says makes it sound like he's been stomped on the head.
I miss Kenneth!
It is quite obvious that David isn’t the sharpest pencil in the pencil box…..
The call was over when the caller accused them of believing superman is real.
I’m convinced that “Jesus” was an Atheist…!
Seems like a cult leader to me
@@davidszeremi1786agree apart from the typo In word 4
I wish you guys grabbed this caller on the issue of the “ flood”and gave him the scientific explanation for fossils in top of mountains
He doesn't believe scientific evidence so it wouldn't get far. He thinks light backs up like water in a stream.
David’s ‘argument’ proves that no intelligent designer has ever existed.
It also never says anything about Jesus needing to use the bathroom. Did he never have to use the bathroom? Using this guy's logic of "Jesus never had to use notes cause it's not mentioned in the Bible" is enough to prove that Jesus never had to go to the bathroom with this guy's logic
"NO YEAH, NO YEAH!.... "
That caller quote says everything.
I rarely took notes in school, does that mean I'm almost omniscient?
Light does not slow down !
Romans were meticulous record keepers. If an itinerant, rabble rousing rabbi had been crucified, there would be a record of it, but there isn't.
Everything in the Bible takes place in a tiny portion of the Middle East.
He says the Bible isn't allowed to be changed yet he reads a changed version
Wow, I like how a conversation progressing in a way that doesn't agree with his script means "you guys are dragging me down this road that I didn't even want to talk about"... The convo took a natural flow & its no ones fault but Davids since he didn't want to get to the point. He bought up "I guess I have to explain what I take as evidence" so it was no one else's fault but David that the convo didn't go the way he wanted lmao
We have a crisis of ignorance in the church.
Whoo only about 6 minutes for Godwin's law
David is an excellent example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
Plot twist- David is from the Superman Bizzarro World
My Bible says that I created everything last Thursday as a test for myself, to see how well I deal with idiots. It's not going well. I think next Thursday I'll tone down the willful stupidity of the cultists.
What a waste of 58 years
A person who is the antithesis of omniscient wants to talk about how his imaginary friend is omniscient. He starts off by literally saying that he doesn’t know how to tell if something is true or not.
17:03
Whoa whoa, Dwayne GISH?
like.... THE gish?
This man lives in a land of make believe.
Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humour, it is impossible to create a parody of fundamentalism that someone won’t mistake for the real thing”
Nathan Poe.
David is a supreme example of this 😉
This David guy is all over the place.
And he votes! I'm so sorry USA
I tried digging for Janice Beams comments but I couldn't dig far enough due to amount of other comments. That's fantastic! But I still wonder: Are they there at all in the comment section?
6:42 i dont thinve ever laughed so hard at one of these calls before. "Well, evolution proves superman is real thats what the nazis-" JFC WHAT 😂😂😂😂
Even if you could prove jesus had a photographic memory, he still wouldn't be anywhere close to omniscient.
When someone keeps saying "Yeah, but...", that's pretty good evidence they're not listening to what's coming out of your mouth. This caller is a good example of when religion closes one's mind completely to anything that doesn't already correspond to one's established beliefs. By "established" I mean firmly rooted in the mind, not verified as being true.