In 1993, while Alexandre Daigle was "making history" as the next great French Canadian, another French Canadian, eligible Martin St.Louis, went undrafted.
@@MrDecelles I don't think anyone would call him a great player. I think he had enormous talent, but without good attitude and motivation, as well as perhaps a bad situation in Ottawa as you mentioned, he failed miserably. To be a great player you have to be able to perform and succeed, can't just have talent
Pierre is a 100% a first class moron in every other scenario BUT not in this case He never questioned Pricer's skill but rather the fact that Montreal already had goalies in the system (Huet, Aebisher, Yann Danis and they still had Thedore to start the season) and they had bigger needs to satisfy than a goalie, which was correct (At the time) Danis never panned out and Huet and Aebisher were decent but again, there's no way they could've known that at the time, the way it looked in 2005 Montreal didn't need a goalie
@@quentinbroome2778 Im aware but my point was both were in the system in 05-06 at various points but yes Price was drafted before David was with them (but still Montreal still had what looked to be 3 solid goalies at the time of drafting Price)
The problem with Daigle he said himself that he didnt liked playing hockey, his father pushed him. Dude had all the skills to be generational talent but he didnt even wanted to be on the ice.
Interesting. Famous NBA bust Darko Milicic had the same problem: He was never very passionate about basketball, but he was 7 feet tall and grew up poor in Serbia, so he was pushed to basketball as a way to escape poverty. You can have all the talent in the world, but it doesn't mean anything if you're not passionate about what you do
To be fair to Daigle (this creator won't be), Ottawa was coming off their expansion season. The WORST first season in NHL history. 10 wins. SEVENTY losses. And four ties. They were outscored 202-395. To think ANYONE could have turned them around with the absolute nothing the Sens had is ridiculous. They could have had Lemieux, and 30 wins, 250 goals is the BEST they could have hoped for. To be blunt, the old expansion rules meant that, unless a team got lucky with defense and goaltending (like Minnesota's early run to the Western Final, or Florida's early run to the Cup), they were FUCKED.
Two more examples of that: Sergei Bobrovsky with Columbus (a team that took 8 years to make the playoffs at just .500, and 13 seasons to actually win more games than they lost) and the San Jose Sharks with Arturs Irbe. Now, the key that Daigle COULD have played, had the Sens been at least capable on defense and had a good goalie, is the role that Marian Gaborik and Sergei Makarov played for those teams. With Columbus, they built a bit more depth, so they didn't need one really good player to make the playoffs. But they also took a LONG time to win their first playoff game, let alone playoff series. Ottawa never really built that, especially not early on. Daigle would have been better, playing with the 2003 Sens, but he was about 10 years too early to the party.
Oh, and as a counterpoint, he played 14 years of pro-hockey. Not sure I'd put 20+ years (including juniors) if I didn't actually enjoy something. That's like saying.. hey, I hate this job BUT I'm still going to stay here for the next two decades for no reason whatsoever.
A line that still makes me laugh when I think about it was when Ray Ferraro described Niall Yakupov's positional play as "he looks like he's being chased by bees".
I strongly disagree. Yes Price has been an outsrtanding goalie but in no way has that horrible for Montreal. Habs made it to a Stanley Cup final just last season with Price tending the net. Furthermore Habs went to Conference Finals in 2014. They lost to NYR after he was injured by Kreider and Habs also went to Conference Semi Finals in 2015. That's a lot better than most other teams have done in the last 7 or 8 years. Drafting Price has definitely NOT been horrible for Montreal.
Ryan Getzlaf was a great pick for the Ducks. He also had the luxury of playing with Corey Perry and Bobby Ryan for large parts of his career so it’s no wonder he put up a million assists. But even today, as Perry and Ryan’s career wind down, he’s still killing it.
Yeah man those young kids brings out the kid in Getzlaf. I said it in perry last year as a duck, he's lost interest in the game and Bobby has had some.personl problems. Getz still loves the game as much as he did when he was 18. Fav duck aside from teems and paul
It’s funny this video hits some excellent points but I think you missed one. In the 2013 draft, the Florida Panthers had the second overall pick. When they made that pick, Don Cherry, enthusiastic good ole Canadian boy that he is, lambasted the pick because the Panthers passed up on a North American player with their pick. He had gone on a spiel on how the Panthers could have selected the likes of Jones, Drouin or Nurse. One of those players had a couple of productive seasons before declining, one has bounced around a couple of teams and one has been a solid. But Cherry predicted that all three of those guys mentioned would be perennial franchise players while the selection for the Florida Panthers would fizzle out and return to Liiga in a few years. That pick was Aleksander Barkov. That should have been on this list I feel.
As an AVs fan, my list was always (in order): MacKinnon, Barkov, Jones. Barkov was like 10-15 days away from being to young for the 2013 draft and put up insane numbers as a raw 17-18 year old in Finland and took 4 minors. FOUR. As a 6’3” center, that’s incredible restraint and ability. It’s not hard to see why he’s one of the best two-way and gentlemanly players in the league every year.
I remember that an analyst said that Adam Larsson was going to be the steal of the draft. Also this isn’t a prediction but after the Quebec Bulldogs suspended their season, they held a dispersal draft to give away their players (Quebec would get their players back once they rejoined the league) with the Wanderers having the worst season they got the first pick and they selected either Jack McDonald or Dave Ritchie (I read both). And with the second pick, Montreal gladly selects Joe Malone
The one thing that gets forgotten about Daigle is, at the time he was deserving of the hype. Guy put up 110p in 66g as a 16/17 year old, then in his draft year 137p in 53g as a 17/18 year old. Hindsight is always 20/20 and looking back on how his career went, it’s easy to laugh at the comparisons. The issue with Daigle was he only played hockey cuz he was so naturally talented, but he was far more interested in the celebrity status that came with being an NHL player so he didn’t work on his game at all.
@@judahnanas9772 Scoring as a 19/20 y/o playing in junior hockey doesn't mean much as you're pretty much a man among boys. Scoring a bunch as a 16/17 is exceptional.
The funniest thing is, if Daigle actually tried and delivered on his talent, he would have been a massive celebrity along the likes of Lemieux and Gretzky. Instead, the only thing he's famous for is being a spoiled clown that was the biggest bust in draft history.
Daigle being dressed up by the Ottawa Senators in a nurse’s outfit and a matador outfit for a hockey card campaign was one of the most embarrassing things I’ve ever seen. As a little kid looking up to hockey players that destroyed any credibility Daigle had left
Daige absolutely disliked hockey, said it multiple times that he got just so good at hockey he just keep going. For every Teemo Selanne and Rick Tocchet(guys playing sports they didn't like only because they hit professional levels good), you get Pat Falloon and Alexander Daige.
The craziest part about the Flames trading the 14th pick to move down to 21st to pick Jankowski (and pick up the 42nd, which resulted in a non-NHLer) was that if they kept the 14th pick they could have drafted Tom Wilson (who went 16th), Tomas Hertl (17th), Teuvo Teravainen (18th), or Andrei FUCKING Vasilevskiy (19th). As someone who also cheers for the Flames it hurts to think about what if they had just stayed put at 14th. Oh well lol
Not a surprise Feaster and Weisbrod didn't last long after that. Made some great picks in the years since with our new scouting team. Getting a player like Mangiapane in the 6th round wasn't happening with the others at the helm. I read another depressing story about the 2011 draft and how they were looking at Kucherov but passed on him because they were planning to take Gaudreau and didn't want to nab two smaller guys.
In all fairness to Pierre regarding the Price pick, he didnt say Price wouldn't pan out. He was just stated that at the time they had bigger needs to address (which they did). Taking a goalie that high with other goalies in the system already was pretty risky. Hindsight is 20-20, if one of the other goalies had panned out, we'd be having a different convo. But they didn't so yes, it was a smart pick in the end.
Fair enough. But in the top 10 of any draft, it behooves a team to take the best player available, regardless of their needs (there are rare exceptions to this...but BPA is a sound general policy in the top 10, and certainly in the top 5). And at that time, I do think Price (5th overall) was a slightly better player than Anze Kopitar, who was drafted 11th...and certainly better than any of the other guys drafted after him in the 1st round (in fact, I think Price has turned out to be the 2nd-best player from that ENTIRE DRAFT, only beaten by Sid himself...other notables include a few excellent goalies such as Tuukka Rask, Ben Bishop and Jonathan Quick, a few excellent d-men including Kris Letang, Anton Stralman and Keith Yandle, and some excellent forwards like Kopitar, James Neal, T.J. Oshie, Paul Stastny, Bobby Ryan, and selected LAST, with the 230th pick, Patric Hornqvist, who was the indisputable steal of the draft). When you play the odds, and one player has greater odds of being elite than another, you won't always come out on top...but most of the time you will. And if you still have those needs later on, you can always trade for them with the more valuable player you drafted as the BPA. As it turns out, the Habs didn't need to do this...instead they traded Halak away, filling a need at center (with Lars Eller, who remains the 2nd or, at minimum, 3rd-best Dane to play in the NHL, despite him never being fully appreciated by the Montreal fans). And honestly...people forget just how close they came in 2014. If Price had not been Kreider-slammed (may the slimy bastard NEVER win a Cup), the Habs would have almost certainly beaten the Rags...and 2014 was a very different year than 2012 for the Kings. They were still a great team, but in 2012, they had Quick playing out of his mind (and if they'd met the Habs in the Finals that year, there's no way Montreal wins, given their goal-scoring woes). But in 2014, Quick was not nearly as invincible (his GAA in 2012 was 1.41 with a 0.946 SV%; in 2014 those numbers were 2.58 and 0.911) - I really think Montreal would have had a decent shot at the Cup had they made the Finals. What they did accomplish that playoffs (a conference final exit) was on the strength of Price and Subban sure...but who, pray tell, was their top point-scoring forward? Lars Eller, that's who, with 13 points in 17 playoff games (he had 5 goals, tied for 2nd on the team with Pacioretty and Vanek; Rene Bourque had 8 goals for 1st). So sure, Montreal did have a certain degree of luck to see Price reach his potential; but it takes more than luck to give your team a shot...it takes making the right moves at the right time, and both Gauthier and Bergevin did a really good job in this area, following the cinderella run of 2010.
The 2012 draft might go down as the worst draft in history. So singling out Yakupov, especially when there were no "franchise" picks anywhere near 1st overall is a bit off. Even then, only about half of the first round has had an NHL career of length. The only probable HOF in entire draft is Vasilevsky at 19th overall. Nobody else is even close besides maybe Hellebuyck at 130th overall but he has a long ways to go. That's a terrible draft class, period.
How is it off? Yakupov was extremely hyped and seen as a legit #1 overall pick talent and projected to be very good. He then was not only a bust but a terrible player who couldnt stay in league ... Thats a massive bust that should be talked about. The draft being weak in general doesnt change any of that.
@@alessandroscuderi7300 Because 99% of this draft sucked. Being projected as the best out of a ton of busts and garbage doesn't say much. Probably only 4 of the top 10 will still be in the NHL next season, only 11 years later, that is horrible. Those 4 are good players, but not great, not perennial all-stars, not hall of famers... Brutal draft class, period.
@@alessandroscuderi7300 Yes he was projected to go first overall but nobody was projecting him as a blue chip hall of famer or anything. Was he a bust? Yes. Was 99% of this draft also busts? I'd say so
@@bigsave-cards2735 It being a bad draft class doesnt change anything with Yakupov. He was a super hyped #1 overall pick expected to be elite goal scorer and was a 4th liner who was out of NHL in 6 years. Hes literally the biggest bust this century. It 100% should be talked about a lot.
@@bigsave-cards2735 Yakupov is literally the biggest bust/flop this entire century... Weak draft class doesnt change that. He was still a spectacular bust and disappointment.
Pierre was right about one thing: the Habs did have bigger needs than a goaltender at the time. We can look back and say "this was a bad pick because this, this and this happened" but they didn't know, nobody knew Price was gonna be a shutdown guy and likely a future hall of famer. And especially the stigma around taking goalies high, it's not a "good thing" to take a goalie top 10 with such drastic turnover, which certainly added to that; paper thin teams+young goalies rarely adds up. I love to hate Pierre McGuire as much as anyone, but you can't really blame him for what he said; in context, not only did it make sense, but it was objectively correct. Montréal was center-weak.
@@Braktooth you’re probably thrilled with lots of picks and then pat yourself on the back when they end up being good and forget about all the ones you were wrong about
@@renlysotherlover294 Love the assumptions here. But putting those aside, I don't get paid to make predictions. He does and that one was clearly terrible.
Daigle was really that great coming out of the QMJHL. Fast as hell, great stick with a great toolbox of offensive moves. The 93 draft was pretty loaded up top and I dont think there was a scout out there who didnt have Daigle as the #1 overall choice. Ottawa really screwed up his development though as they already had a very good center in Yashin. Yashin came in more ready for the NHL and quickly took over the #1 line in Ottawa. The Sens had no depth and Daigle was forced to play on a line with a bunch of journeymen which allowed teams to just key on him and knock him around. This hampered his growth. Daigle actually looked fantastic when he played on the same line as Yashin where he played as a RW. Yashin who was more of a goal scorer than a playmaker meshed well with Daigle on the PP as this gave Daigle the space to make things happen on offense. This was the perfect situation for both players and the Sens SHOULD have worked the 2 players together on the 1st line. That didnt happen and Daigle just got hammered on the 2nd line which led to some injuries which led to lower production which led to less time on the ice. It was a vicious circle for Daigle and it really took a toll on his confidence as well as his athletic ability and overall game.
Crosby/Malkin, mcdavid/draisitle two off the top of my head but rarely are first lines stacked with all the talent especially in that era. A lot of people managed. Gotta quit making excuses for him, he just didn’t work or want it enough. Great theory tho.
Button ,McGuire and the ever worthless Bob McKenzie all mentioned here! You don’t HAVE to be always wrong to be considered a hockey “insider” but it doesn’t hurt.
Vrana is soooo underrated though. He pulls off 50 pts season with absolutely horrendous deployment, and I was hopeful to see him become a scoring maching in Detroit but with his injury and Raymond playing so well, Vrana is gonna be on the 2nd line and the drop off from L1 to L2 in Detroit is steep.
I remember the Bruins taking Malcolm Subban in the first round with some analysts speculating he and his brother P.K. could both have long careers in NHL. Well, Malcolm quickly established himself as a backup goalie at best that looked overmatched in many games. For a first round choice, nowhere near as good as the hype.
Believe it or not but many fans didn't have a lot of faith in Price either, at least not for a while. A lot of them wanted him to be traded and have the Canadiens keep Jaroslav Halak as their number one goalie. Halak did have a lot of success for some time and had better numbers than Price at first, making people think that he was the one with the most potential. Thankfully the team did the right thing and it was Halak that got traded in the end. That said Halak had a pretty good career for a guy that was drafted 271th, and he's still in the league to this day. But Price was definitely the better choice that's for sure.
My sentiments exactly. I remember that choice very well. In hindsight it was choosing between a hall of fame superstar vs a very very good goaltender. Neither choice was horrible but of course the Canadians for once chose correctly. What was a shame was that he was traded only for Lars Ellers and Ian Schultz. He was worth more than that.
Honestly as bad as the yakupov pick was, it was one of the worst drafts for the top 10 picks in a long time. Yakupov/galchenyuk/murray/reinhart/pouliot/koekkoek. I understand a couple guys are still in the nhl but they are nowhere near their draft status. It was a pretty horrific top 10 lol
@@salianni16 Well also Matt dumba, Hampus lindholm and you could add trouba if you wanted but 6/10 were 4-5 rounders at best. Outside the top 10 in the first round is where the 3 best players are like forsberg/vasilevskiy/teravainen. The whole first round was so bad as a whole though other then those guys! Lol
Cole Perfetti to Detroit is #1 on my list. (thus passing on Lucas Raymond) "It was a lock in the 2020 draft" Why? oh because Cole plays in the state of Michigan with the Saginaw Spirit and it's a short driving distance to Detroit. To this day I believe the Canadian media types tried to hype Perfetti's draft stock once the lottery was announced and Detroit was #4 in the draft order. Pure lunacy or fallacy, either works. Once Draper said "....from Frolunda..." I was yelling and screaming for joy.
I remember in the early 90s. Everybody had to have Pat Falloon rookie cards. It was like they were all winning lottery tickets and people paid top dollars to get one. Probably the worst bust back in my card collecting days.
I remember a tv commercial featuring Pat Lafontaine, talking about the hot rookie cards of "Pat Falloon and Scott Neidermayer." The fact that Falloon was even mentioned with Neidermayer was a joke.
I think a lot of people needed this explained… the “player comparisons” doesn’t mean “he’s going to be as good as this player” It’s their play style. You can say a beer leaguer plays like Alex Ovechkin if he takes clappers from the dot…
I remember when Montreal drafted Price and I'm man enough to admit I didn't like that pick either. But what's worse is that I wanted them to draft Gilbert Brule lol. I thought a French Canadian player who could score would be an awesome pick for them and I also didn't see the need for Montreal to bring in a new goalie because that hadn't been an issue. Anyway, obviously thank God they did pick him and it's too bad they couldn't put a half decent team in front of him to make a championship run (No, I'm not counting 20-21).
This was gonna be my comment as well. Not to mention, JV was a 3rd liner with Washington before being dealt to the Wings @ the deadline, then went on a TEAR to finish the year on the first line in Detroit. He has been injured all season, so we've not yet seen what kind of numbers he can put up with top 6 minutes and a much improved Red Wings team... Pastrnak is amazing, don't get me wrong, but I agree that the Vrana comparison is uneven or premature at best. Let's see what happens with a full season on a line with Larkin and Raymond! #LGRW
Daigle pissed away talents that 99.99% of hockey players could only dream of. How arrogant do you have to be to make the NHL and then not care about it
The thing with Theodore was that there was conflict in the locker rooms between a bunch of players. This hastened his departure from the club. This is not something sports medias have tackled much, but a few more recent interviews have shed some light on how Saku Koivu and Craig Rivet were bullies back then and Mike Ribeiro was often times on the receiving end ( him being a direct threat to Koivu for the #1 C spot back then ), along with Theodore and a few others. The atmosphere was toxic at best. The organization made the choice to start over with Carey Price as their new franchise player, got Brian Gionta, Scott Gomez, Mike Cammalleri and a few others. They got rid of both sides who were at the source of the conflicts. I wonder if they would've chosen Price if not for this whole thing that was happening behind the scenes.
@@kalaupun Ribeiro had top tier hands and was one of the best playmakers I've ever seen. I recently saw him in a podcast and he seems to be doing great so it seems he fought and defeated his demons too.
Price has had an amazing career and brought mediocre Habs teams places they had no business being. That doesn't mean a different pick might not have helped the team more. Look at the teams that have won Cups, tell me how many tie up mega-superstar type contracts in their goalies? The cap means this doesn't work, it's not a knock on Price. In a way he's too good.
The only way I can think of where he might have genuinely hurt the team is when, as you said, he made a mediocre team look much better than it was. The Habs had many years where neither Price, Subban nor Pacioretty had a big contract and they could easily have made a big push toward winning then. Instead, management preferred treading water with the thinking that "with Price in net, anything was possible". That was dumb thinking and is the real reason why Price never won a cup and Andrei Vasilevskiy did.
How could the Senators be tanking when they were a 1st year expansion team? Back then the expansion drafts were nothing like today and teams were getting other teams depth players and by depth i mean mostly 4th line players. Expansion teams always sucked for a while back then.
@@idontgivetkachuk Take a look at their roster for that season...they didn't tank, they were just that bad of a team. I went to see them play my Wings in that season in Ottawa and the Sens actually beat my Wings...talk about being pissed off leaving the arena.
It's not a draft day prediction but along those lines check out some of the Phil Kessel hype in 2004-05.... Quote from Pierre at the 2005-06 World Juniors. "If he was born 3 weeks earlier he would have been eligible for the 2005 draft and the only question would be Phil Kessel or Sidney Crosby" - ironically 10 years later Pittsburgh would have both
i remember watching the Yakupov draft (and Maguire lambasting Edmonton for not taking Ryan Murray) but I totally missed the Kharlamov comparison. Truly unhinged!
what pierre should have said was "Price is a big guy with a big stick, guy's a monster who plays hard, he played for the Muskoka Lab Rats and loves eating his apple jacks with peaches on top", you know stick to the classics
I'm a die hard Oilers fan and I'm convinced what happened to him was our coach Eakins. I watched him destroy Yakupov's development, confidence, and flair/love for the game. Yakupov would be creating chances and scoring, but the moment he made a turnover, Eakins would bench him. The Oilers were bottom feeders, and Hall would make a worse turnover, or a number of other players would, and they never got benched or received the same treatment that Yakupov did. I watched as his confidence and love for the game slowly faded, as did his success. I'm convinced that had he been coached by Tod Mclellan or Jay Woodcroft, or drafted by Yzerman, he could've lived up to his expectations.
Bobby Mac doesn’t give his opinion on a player or their potential. He speaks to usually a handful of team scouts or front office executives and conveyed those opinions.
If Pierre makes a mistake about a young prospect than that is very rare. There is not one person in North America who knows more about young prospects in the NHL for the past 30 years than Pierre. If I was an NHL owner I would hire two people and go from there: Pierre McGuire and Martin Brodeur. I am still upset we DID NOT draft Yaroslav Askarov and two rounds later we draft Nico Dawes. I saw Nico play at the WJC and my Russia Red Machine DESTROYED him. All this being said, Nico helped put the Devils AHL team Utica as the best team in the AHL currently and is now becoming one of the very best young goalies in the NHL.HIs development has been amazing. Craig Button had a bad prediciton on Zachary FUcale.
Honestly, Pierre’s assessment isn’t bad. You forgot to mention how high he was on Anze Kopitar going to the Canadiens, which would’ve been a reach at the 5th pick. Hindsight is 20/20
The entire lead up to the draft I was saying the Oilers shouldn't draft Yakupov and should have gone for a defenseman or traded the pick. Pierre McGuire is an embarrassment to Hockey
The thing people tend to forget is that 2012 was a pretty down year in general for prospects. In fact, it's probably one of the worst draft years all time. In alot of other years, Yakupov doesn't go #1. Not trying to make excuses for Yakupov, he is clearly an all time bust, but you have to look at context as well. If he is born a few months later and eligible for 2013 instead of 2012 he might have not even gone in the top 5.
@@AD-df5tm I was saying this because Edmonton was already pretty loaded up front having drafted high in the forward department for several years.they could have had Ryan Murray or traded the pick for a decent defenseman
Price is a hot take..? They put a TON of resources into their goalies. If you spent 40k refreshing a classic car and then had to re-mortgage your house to buy a new, more reliable vehicle, I'd question that. That's what Price was AT THE TIME. Did Price win them a Cup? No? Weird. I guess making the playoffs really is success in Canada 😉 Oh, and Getzlaf wasn't a top guy on his own. He was a good part of a great line. It's funny, you talk about Getzlaf being such an underrated success (nope, just a very deep draft) while barely mentioning how good his teammates were, but fail to mention how Daigle had almost zero support. If the Arizona Coyotes were the team to get Bedard, guarantee someone would be shitting on him. Despite being the only offensive player worth a damn. Note how Chicago got players to play with Bedard, and are making sure he's well supported. Kinda the other reason Yakupov didn't work: the Oilers kept trying to build a bunch of young guys together, without any real, good veteran presence to help out. Remember how many years it took for McDavid and co. to actually do anything worth anything, and they still haven't won so much as a Conference Finals game in over half a decade of trying.
Kharlamov could start the idea for a video of best players to never play in the nhl Also Brayden point is a bigger steal than pasta imo, they’re about as good as each other and point went so much later
Would love him to fo a Khalamov vid, along with some of the old Soviet players. They may have played for the evil empire, but they were amazing to watch.
Yup I lived in Edmonton when he came. Nail was one of the more behaved Oilers. I never seen him out getting drunk. Seen Hall and RNH pissed out of their mind at 3am a few times
It's safe to say if a prospect has played for the Peterborough Petes in the OHL, you probably should draft him... Wayne Gretzky Bob Gainey Tie Domi Chris Pronger Larry Murphy Steve Yzerman Eric Staal Jordan Staal Zach Bogosian Mike Ricci Steve Larmer To name a few, and not to mention the 2 greatest coaches in history coached the Petes...
@@idontgivetkachuk there was a Steve Peters... He was picked second overall, one spot ahead of Wayne Gretzky in the 1977 Ontario Major Junior Hockey League draft of 16-year-olds....
Valerie Kharlamov is proto Ovechkin minus the size, he moved like a modern day nhler to the point where Bobby Clarke had to wack him out of the summit series
Also a Flames fan, I never blamed Feaster for making the pick on Jankowski. It was a very weak draft (same draft as Yakupov), it was late in the first round, so he took a flyer on a talented guy with potential, but who was obviously a project. Jankowski didn't even play Junior A hockey (I think he was a high school player). Jankowski teased us for a while, but never panned out. Where Feaster looks foolish was that prediction. He could have just said, "We like Mark's talent and he's going to the NCAA and we think when he's ready he's going to be a great player for us." Everyone would have understood that Feaster meant, "Well, we're hoping for the best but not really expecting much," which is the best you can do in a bad draft year.
In Vrana's defense, he was only averaging 11-12 minutes a game with the Caps, and maxed out with an average of 15 minutes a game in his 20-21 season. Not saying he's better than Pastrnak, but he was certainly given much less opportunity in a bottom-six role. Now that he's going to be a top-line/top 6 player he could very well pop off. Great stuff, dude!
Karmalov or whatever his name is might of been the best player of all time not just in Russia. The goalie on that Russian team that toured the U.S. and beat almost every team may have been the best goalie ever to live also.
Did montreal Win any cups with Price? Nope. Price would probably have a few rings if he was drafted or traded to a team with proper management. With that said, any habs fan that thinks the covid cup is worth any bragging rights, well your worse than a bolts fan arnt you?
The worst one in history goes back a little further…Montreal picking Doug Wickenheisor over Denis Savard saying Savard was too small. The same BS continues to this day. Most of the best players today are 6’ or less and under 200lbs. They say todays’ game is too fast. Wanna slow it down? Put the red line back in the game! Doesn’t matter then how tall you are. Too fast my azz!
@@daveyboy_ yes he was. He was projected #1 and probably any team would have selected him #1. He was also thought to be the next superstar…and may have been had Montreal handled him properly.
With the Carey price pick I don’t think it was a bad take. He said it wasn’t a good fit not a bad choice. I’d say in terms of need not terrible but not great but in terms of what he became definitely good. If he grabbed a good center then it woulda been just as good.
Rip Tony Esposito 🙏. One of Hockey's Greatest Goaltenders
Its sad to see one of the best goalies of his era die.
Sad seeing the legends go one by one. RIP.
RIP Tony 😞
One of the Goat of goalies
I know. Rip Tonio
In 1993, while Alexandre Daigle was "making history" as the next great French Canadian, another French Canadian, eligible Martin St.Louis, went undrafted.
Alexandre was a great player. The problem is that he was not developed at all. He was not surrounded by veteran players.
@@MrDecelles Exactly. Maybe there is something wrong in the teams that drafted them.
@@MrDecelles I don't think anyone would call him a great player. I think he had enormous talent, but without good attitude and motivation, as well as perhaps a bad situation in Ottawa as you mentioned, he failed miserably. To be a great player you have to be able to perform and succeed, can't just have talent
@@MrDecelles What? What about "force de caractère"?
@@Chaturanger They obviously chose wrongly in that department... flawed but good player. That kid needed parenting.
When Pierre McGuire says that was not a good draft pick, then you will know that it was a great draft pick
The dude is an idiot, I feel sorry for the Ottawa Senators for hiring him
Let's not forget the comment that he said moments before Marc-Andre Fleury let a fluke of a goal
Pierre is a 100% a first class moron in every other scenario BUT not in this case
He never questioned Pricer's skill but rather the fact that Montreal already had goalies in the system (Huet, Aebisher, Yann Danis and they still had Thedore to start the season) and they had bigger needs to satisfy than a goalie, which was correct (At the time)
Danis never panned out and Huet and Aebisher were decent but again, there's no way they could've known that at the time, the way it looked in 2005 Montreal didn't need a goalie
@@SciyonGenysis David aebischer wasn't with Montreal at that time. He was traded to Montreal for Jose Theodore.
@@quentinbroome2778 Im aware but my point was both were in the system in 05-06 at various points
but yes Price was drafted before David was with them (but still Montreal still had what looked to be 3 solid goalies at the time of drafting Price)
The problem with Daigle he said himself that he didnt liked playing hockey, his father pushed him. Dude had all the skills to be generational talent but he didnt even wanted to be on the ice.
Interesting. Famous NBA bust Darko Milicic had the same problem: He was never very passionate about basketball, but he was 7 feet tall and grew up poor in Serbia, so he was pushed to basketball as a way to escape poverty. You can have all the talent in the world, but it doesn't mean anything if you're not passionate about what you do
To be fair to Daigle (this creator won't be), Ottawa was coming off their expansion season.
The WORST first season in NHL history.
10 wins. SEVENTY losses. And four ties.
They were outscored 202-395.
To think ANYONE could have turned them around with the absolute nothing the Sens had is ridiculous.
They could have had Lemieux, and 30 wins, 250 goals is the BEST they could have hoped for.
To be blunt, the old expansion rules meant that, unless a team got lucky with defense and goaltending (like Minnesota's early run to the Western Final, or Florida's early run to the Cup), they were FUCKED.
Two more examples of that:
Sergei Bobrovsky with Columbus (a team that took 8 years to make the playoffs at just .500, and 13 seasons to actually win more games than they lost) and the San Jose Sharks with Arturs Irbe.
Now, the key that Daigle COULD have played, had the Sens been at least capable on defense and had a good goalie, is the role that Marian Gaborik and Sergei Makarov played for those teams.
With Columbus, they built a bit more depth, so they didn't need one really good player to make the playoffs.
But they also took a LONG time to win their first playoff game, let alone playoff series.
Ottawa never really built that, especially not early on.
Daigle would have been better, playing with the 2003 Sens, but he was about 10 years too early to the party.
Oh, and as a counterpoint, he played 14 years of pro-hockey.
Not sure I'd put 20+ years (including juniors) if I didn't actually enjoy something.
That's like saying.. hey, I hate this job BUT I'm still going to stay here for the next two decades for no reason whatsoever.
In the Daigle draft, not only Pronger was the 2nd pick, the 4th pick was Paul Kariya.
A line that still makes me laugh when I think about it was when Ray Ferraro described Niall Yakupov's positional play as "he looks like he's being chased by bees".
You guys remember when Pierre McGuire said Filip Forsberg would forever be a Capital when he was drafted, then he immediately got traded to Nashville?
The Carey price part of him throwing a puck to a fan was me like I was the fan who got the puck 😂😂😂
You made some good points about Yakupov but let's be honest the 2012 NHL draft class was rather shit.
One of the weakest drafts ever.
Price turned out to be an outstanding goalie, which has been horrible for Montreal.
@Liam Dooling (STUDENT) Love Kopitar
@@glaframb lattendresse suffers concussions
I strongly disagree. Yes Price has been an outsrtanding goalie but in no way has that horrible for Montreal. Habs made it to a Stanley Cup final just last season with Price tending the net. Furthermore Habs went to Conference Finals in 2014. They lost to NYR after he was injured by Kreider and Habs also went to Conference Semi Finals in 2015. That's a lot better than most other teams have done in the last 7 or 8 years. Drafting Price has definitely NOT been horrible for Montreal.
Ryan Getzlaf was a great pick for the Ducks. He also had the luxury of playing with Corey Perry and Bobby Ryan for large parts of his career so it’s no wonder he put up a million assists. But even today, as Perry and Ryan’s career wind down, he’s still killing it.
Yeah man those young kids brings out the kid in Getzlaf. I said it in perry last year as a duck, he's lost interest in the game and Bobby has had some.personl problems. Getz still loves the game as much as he did when he was 18. Fav duck aside from teems and paul
the chemistry with Rakell for a couple of seasons was also pretty phenomenal!
I've always really liked the way Getzlaf has played. Great all around game and really good play maker. Hall of fame, jersey raising career.
It’s funny this video hits some excellent points but I think you missed one.
In the 2013 draft, the Florida Panthers had the second overall pick. When they made that pick, Don Cherry, enthusiastic good ole Canadian boy that he is, lambasted the pick because the Panthers passed up on a North American player with their pick. He had gone on a spiel on how the Panthers could have selected the likes of Jones, Drouin or Nurse. One of those players had a couple of productive seasons before declining, one has bounced around a couple of teams and one has been a solid.
But Cherry predicted that all three of those guys mentioned would be perennial franchise players while the selection for the Florida Panthers would fizzle out and return to Liiga in a few years.
That pick was Aleksander Barkov.
That should have been on this list I feel.
As an AVs fan, my list was always (in order): MacKinnon, Barkov, Jones. Barkov was like 10-15 days away from being to young for the 2013 draft and put up insane numbers as a raw 17-18 year old in Finland and took 4 minors. FOUR. As a 6’3” center, that’s incredible restraint and ability. It’s not hard to see why he’s one of the best two-way and gentlemanly players in the league every year.
I remember that an analyst said that Adam Larsson was going to be the steal of the draft. Also this isn’t a prediction but after the Quebec Bulldogs suspended their season, they held a dispersal draft to give away their players (Quebec would get their players back once they rejoined the league) with the Wanderers having the worst season they got the first pick and they selected either Jack McDonald or Dave Ritchie (I read both). And with the second pick, Montreal gladly selects Joe Malone
Can't stand listening to that guy.
Wait adam larsson actually a really good defensemen tho.
The one thing that gets forgotten about Daigle is, at the time he was deserving of the hype. Guy put up 110p in 66g as a 16/17 year old, then in his draft year 137p in 53g as a 17/18 year old.
Hindsight is always 20/20 and looking back on how his career went, it’s easy to laugh at the comparisons. The issue with Daigle was he only played hockey cuz he was so naturally talented, but he was far more interested in the celebrity status that came with being an NHL player so he didn’t work on his game at all.
Simon Gamache had 143 then 184 pts in the Q as 19/20 yo... doesn't mean much!
@@judahnanas9772 Scoring as a 19/20 y/o playing in junior hockey doesn't mean much as you're pretty much a man among boys. Scoring a bunch as a 16/17 is exceptional.
The funniest thing is, if Daigle actually tried and delivered on his talent, he would have been a massive celebrity along the likes of Lemieux and Gretzky. Instead, the only thing he's famous for is being a spoiled clown that was the biggest bust in draft history.
Daigle being dressed up by the Ottawa Senators in a nurse’s outfit and a matador outfit for a hockey card campaign was one of the most embarrassing things I’ve ever seen. As a little kid looking up to hockey players that destroyed any credibility Daigle had left
Yeah but dangle actually had a couple decent years lol..yakupov was horrendous
Daige absolutely disliked hockey, said it multiple times that he got just so good at hockey he just keep going. For every Teemo Selanne and Rick Tocchet(guys playing sports they didn't like only because they hit professional levels good), you get Pat Falloon and Alexander Daige.
Also I said Valeri Kharlamovs name using a Russian Documentary as my source so..
The craziest part about the Flames trading the 14th pick to move down to 21st to pick Jankowski (and pick up the 42nd, which resulted in a non-NHLer) was that if they kept the 14th pick they could have drafted Tom Wilson (who went 16th), Tomas Hertl (17th), Teuvo Teravainen (18th), or Andrei FUCKING Vasilevskiy (19th).
As someone who also cheers for the Flames it hurts to think about what if they had just stayed put at 14th. Oh well lol
Not a surprise Feaster and Weisbrod didn't last long after that.
Made some great picks in the years since with our new scouting team.
Getting a player like Mangiapane in the 6th round wasn't happening with the others at the helm.
I read another depressing story about the 2011 draft and how they were looking at Kucherov but passed on him because they were planning to take Gaudreau and didn't want to nab two smaller guys.
Problem with Daigle is that he never truly wanted to play professionally
I mean Seider was compared to Carlo. He hasn’t played in the nhl yet but so far he’s proving that he could be a star
He's pretty good in my franchise mode with the Red Wings in NHL21
In all fairness to Pierre regarding the Price pick, he didnt say Price wouldn't pan out. He was just stated that at the time they had bigger needs to address (which they did). Taking a goalie that high with other goalies in the system already was pretty risky. Hindsight is 20-20, if one of the other goalies had panned out, we'd be having a different convo. But they didn't so yes, it was a smart pick in the end.
Fair enough. But in the top 10 of any draft, it behooves a team to take the best player available, regardless of their needs (there are rare exceptions to this...but BPA is a sound general policy in the top 10, and certainly in the top 5). And at that time, I do think Price (5th overall) was a slightly better player than Anze Kopitar, who was drafted 11th...and certainly better than any of the other guys drafted after him in the 1st round (in fact, I think Price has turned out to be the 2nd-best player from that ENTIRE DRAFT, only beaten by Sid himself...other notables include a few excellent goalies such as Tuukka Rask, Ben Bishop and Jonathan Quick, a few excellent d-men including Kris Letang, Anton Stralman and Keith Yandle, and some excellent forwards like Kopitar, James Neal, T.J. Oshie, Paul Stastny, Bobby Ryan, and selected LAST, with the 230th pick, Patric Hornqvist, who was the indisputable steal of the draft). When you play the odds, and one player has greater odds of being elite than another, you won't always come out on top...but most of the time you will. And if you still have those needs later on, you can always trade for them with the more valuable player you drafted as the BPA. As it turns out, the Habs didn't need to do this...instead they traded Halak away, filling a need at center (with Lars Eller, who remains the 2nd or, at minimum, 3rd-best Dane to play in the NHL, despite him never being fully appreciated by the Montreal fans).
And honestly...people forget just how close they came in 2014. If Price had not been Kreider-slammed (may the slimy bastard NEVER win a Cup), the Habs would have almost certainly beaten the Rags...and 2014 was a very different year than 2012 for the Kings. They were still a great team, but in 2012, they had Quick playing out of his mind (and if they'd met the Habs in the Finals that year, there's no way Montreal wins, given their goal-scoring woes). But in 2014, Quick was not nearly as invincible (his GAA in 2012 was 1.41 with a 0.946 SV%; in 2014 those numbers were 2.58 and 0.911) - I really think Montreal would have had a decent shot at the Cup had they made the Finals. What they did accomplish that playoffs (a conference final exit) was on the strength of Price and Subban sure...but who, pray tell, was their top point-scoring forward? Lars Eller, that's who, with 13 points in 17 playoff games (he had 5 goals, tied for 2nd on the team with Pacioretty and Vanek; Rene Bourque had 8 goals for 1st). So sure, Montreal did have a certain degree of luck to see Price reach his potential; but it takes more than luck to give your team a shot...it takes making the right moves at the right time, and both Gauthier and Bergevin did a really good job in this area, following the cinderella run of 2010.
They had halak too
The wisdom of McGuire will help the Sens relocate.
It’s not the fact none of the others panned out. It’s that carry turned out to be an absolute stub
Why do I feel like you wouldn't have made this comment if Pierre wasn't part of the Send front office lmao smells of copium
The 2012 draft might go down as the worst draft in history. So singling out Yakupov, especially when there were no "franchise" picks anywhere near 1st overall is a bit off. Even then, only about half of the first round has had an NHL career of length.
The only probable HOF in entire draft is Vasilevsky at 19th overall. Nobody else is even close besides maybe Hellebuyck at 130th overall but he has a long ways to go. That's a terrible draft class, period.
How is it off? Yakupov was extremely hyped and seen as a legit #1 overall pick talent and projected to be very good. He then was not only a bust but a terrible player who couldnt stay in league ... Thats a massive bust that should be talked about. The draft being weak in general doesnt change any of that.
@@alessandroscuderi7300 Because 99% of this draft sucked. Being projected as the best out of a ton of busts and garbage doesn't say much. Probably only 4 of the top 10 will still be in the NHL next season, only 11 years later, that is horrible. Those 4 are good players, but not great, not perennial all-stars, not hall of famers... Brutal draft class, period.
@@alessandroscuderi7300 Yes he was projected to go first overall but nobody was projecting him as a blue chip hall of famer or anything. Was he a bust? Yes. Was 99% of this draft also busts? I'd say so
@@bigsave-cards2735 It being a bad draft class doesnt change anything with Yakupov. He was a super hyped #1 overall pick expected to be elite goal scorer and was a 4th liner who was out of NHL in 6 years. Hes literally the biggest bust this century. It 100% should be talked about a lot.
@@bigsave-cards2735 Yakupov is literally the biggest bust/flop this entire century... Weak draft class doesnt change that. He was still a spectacular bust and disappointment.
People will always remember #1, especially when you play like #2.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I WOULD PIN THIS But Gotta respect Espo haha
Daigle was out of the NHL in 2006, the same year Pronger helped get the Oilers to the finals. Interesting coincidence right there.
Could you imagine if Ottawa drafted Pronger AND had Chara on defense? The small guy in that pairing is 6 foot 6!
Pierre McGuire is a clown….he failed miserably everywhere he went….
Pierre was right about one thing: the Habs did have bigger needs than a goaltender at the time. We can look back and say "this was a bad pick because this, this and this happened" but they didn't know, nobody knew Price was gonna be a shutdown guy and likely a future hall of famer. And especially the stigma around taking goalies high, it's not a "good thing" to take a goalie top 10 with such drastic turnover, which certainly added to that; paper thin teams+young goalies rarely adds up. I love to hate Pierre McGuire as much as anyone, but you can't really blame him for what he said; in context, not only did it make sense, but it was objectively correct. Montréal was center-weak.
And that's exactly why you take the best player available, and not just draft by position. A lesson learned by so many teams in so many fail drafts.
Yeah, you can. Price was obviously gold; I knew it and don't have nearly the resources of McGuire. I was thrilled when they drafted him.
@@Braktooth you’re probably thrilled with lots of picks and then pat yourself on the back when they end up being good and forget about all the ones you were wrong about
@@renlysotherlover294 Love the assumptions here. But putting those aside, I don't get paid to make predictions. He does and that one was clearly terrible.
Price is the reason Montreal is such a bad team, imagine if they had Fleury.... They would EASILY make playoff every year.
Idgt u are doing an amzing job on these storys/videos. BTW im surpriesd that u dont have 50k subs. U deserve 50k subs.
Thanks Charlie! I appreciate it! 50K has a nice ring to it ;)
@@idontgivetkachuk You've come a long way & keep getting better. Just keep doing what you do do & you'll get there & beyond.
Daigle was really that great coming out of the QMJHL. Fast as hell, great stick with a great toolbox of offensive moves. The 93 draft was pretty loaded up top and I dont think there was a scout out there who didnt have Daigle as the #1 overall choice.
Ottawa really screwed up his development though as they already had a very good center in Yashin. Yashin came in more ready for the NHL and quickly took over the #1 line in Ottawa. The Sens had no depth and Daigle was forced to play on a line with a bunch of journeymen which allowed teams to just key on him and knock him around. This hampered his growth. Daigle actually looked fantastic when he played on the same line as Yashin where he played as a RW. Yashin who was more of a goal scorer than a playmaker meshed well with Daigle on the PP as this gave Daigle the space to make things happen on offense. This was the perfect situation for both players and the Sens SHOULD have worked the 2 players together on the 1st line.
That didnt happen and Daigle just got hammered on the 2nd line which led to some injuries which led to lower production which led to less time on the ice. It was a vicious circle for Daigle and it really took a toll on his confidence as well as his athletic ability and overall game.
Crosby/Malkin, mcdavid/draisitle two off the top of my head but rarely are first lines stacked with all the talent especially in that era. A lot of people managed. Gotta quit making excuses for him, he just didn’t work or want it enough. Great theory tho.
*Another great video, nice job, man.*
Thanks Derrell!!
Griffin Reinhart who was drafted 4th overall in 2012 was compared to Shea Weber lol!
PHL Vipers be like "wuts wrong with yakapov"
Button ,McGuire and the ever worthless Bob McKenzie all mentioned here!
You don’t HAVE to be always wrong to be considered a hockey “insider” but it doesn’t hurt.
Love the videos my dude. Love that you focus on the history I grew up watching in the 80s and 90s.
All I have to say is Duncan Siemens. The Avs were way off with this pick after picking Landeskog.
Vrana is soooo underrated though. He pulls off 50 pts season with absolutely horrendous deployment, and I was hopeful to see him become a scoring maching in Detroit but with his injury and Raymond playing so well, Vrana is gonna be on the 2nd line and the drop off from L1 to L2 in Detroit is steep.
I remember the Bruins taking Malcolm Subban in the first round with some analysts speculating he and his brother P.K. could both have long careers in NHL. Well, Malcolm quickly established himself as a backup goalie at best that looked overmatched in many games. For a first round choice, nowhere near as good as the hype.
After we just signed Rask to 8 yrs..figure that out
Believe it or not but many fans didn't have a lot of faith in Price either, at least not for a while. A lot of them wanted him to be traded and have the Canadiens keep Jaroslav Halak as their number one goalie. Halak did have a lot of success for some time and had better numbers than Price at first, making people think that he was the one with the most potential. Thankfully the team did the right thing and it was Halak that got traded in the end.
That said Halak had a pretty good career for a guy that was drafted 271th, and he's still in the league to this day. But Price was definitely the better choice that's for sure.
Bro he literally halaked to the third round. He took out ovis caps and crosbys pens. It was a weird couple years where bad tenders did things.
What did you win with Price?
My sentiments exactly. I remember that choice very well. In hindsight it was choosing between a hall of fame superstar vs a very very good goaltender. Neither choice was horrible but of course the Canadians for once chose correctly. What was a shame was that he was traded only for Lars Ellers and Ian Schultz. He was worth more than that.
@@jogendron6320 the Hart the Vezina , the Jennings and the first and only ( for an east team ) The Campbell Cup.
271th lol
Biggest steal... 1998 Draft, Round 6, Pavel Datsyuk
I still like that Matt Barzal is the 5th best player from his draft picked 15th by the New York Islanders.
Honestly as bad as the yakupov pick was, it was one of the worst drafts for the top 10 picks in a long time. Yakupov/galchenyuk/murray/reinhart/pouliot/koekkoek. I understand a couple guys are still in the nhl but they are nowhere near their draft status. It was a pretty horrific top 10 lol
Are you talking about sam reinhart?
@@josephsultana4973 griffin reinhart
Morgan Rielly was taken 5th in that draft. He was the only one that worked out.
@@salianni16 Well also Matt dumba, Hampus lindholm and you could add trouba if you wanted but 6/10 were 4-5 rounders at best. Outside the top 10 in the first round is where the 3 best players are like forsberg/vasilevskiy/teravainen. The whole first round was so bad as a whole though other then those guys! Lol
Not going to argue that Vrana is on the same level as Pasta but, top line vs middle 6 minutes does make a difference in point totals.
Craig Button never being right is so spot on!
Cole Perfetti to Detroit is #1 on my list. (thus passing on Lucas Raymond) "It was a lock in the 2020 draft" Why? oh because Cole plays in the state of Michigan with the Saginaw Spirit and it's a short driving distance to Detroit. To this day I believe the Canadian media types tried to hype Perfetti's draft stock once the lottery was announced and Detroit was #4 in the draft order. Pure lunacy or fallacy, either works. Once Draper said "....from Frolunda..." I was yelling and screaming for joy.
Fun fact the Flyers had all of the top 3 in the 93 draft on their team, at different times
In doing more research they had 8 of the first 21 draft picks from the 1990 draft on their team at one point in time.
Keep this series going, very interesting
Pierre is like the weatherman who is wrong 90% of the time.
1:33 I was at that game in March 2015, yikes that game was close! Sadly we lost in a shootout
Pronger would have made a difference in Ottawa's history!
LOL at Daigle's quote!! I think most people remember Chris Pronger.
Best comparaison for Yakupov was made by Benoit Brunet before the draft,..........He said, he remind me Brent Gilchrist!!!!! Right on!!!!
Lmao Daigle said that no one remembers the second pick and the second pick was Chris Pronger 😂😂
Karma haha
And Ottawa tanked for him lol!
Where is Patrick Stefan lmao
The Canadiens picked Doug Wickenheiser over Denis Savard in 1980, and the Montreal fans never let 'em forget it...
I remember in the early 90s. Everybody had to have Pat Falloon rookie cards. It was like they were all winning lottery tickets and people paid top dollars to get one.
Probably the worst bust back in my card collecting days.
I remember a tv commercial featuring Pat Lafontaine, talking about the hot rookie cards of "Pat Falloon and Scott Neidermayer."
The fact that Falloon was even mentioned with Neidermayer was a joke.
Marvin the Martian !
I think a lot of people needed this explained… the “player comparisons” doesn’t mean “he’s going to be as good as this player”
It’s their play style. You can say a beer leaguer plays like Alex Ovechkin if he takes clappers from the dot…
I meet Alexandre Daigle in Buffalo, NY way back in 1994. The Senators, I think, expected too much from him.
I remember when Montreal drafted Price and I'm man enough to admit I didn't like that pick either. But what's worse is that I wanted them to draft Gilbert Brule lol. I thought a French Canadian player who could score would be an awesome pick for them and I also didn't see the need for Montreal to bring in a new goalie because that hadn't been an issue. Anyway, obviously thank God they did pick him and it's too bad they couldn't put a half decent team in front of him to make a championship run (No, I'm not counting 20-21).
Gilbert Brule isn't even french canadian haha
well to be fair, vrana isn’t on a line with 2 future HoFers so you can’t really say for certain whether pastrnak is really the better player
This was gonna be my comment as well. Not to mention, JV was a 3rd liner with Washington before being dealt to the Wings @ the deadline, then went on a TEAR to finish the year on the first line in Detroit. He has been injured all season, so we've not yet seen what kind of numbers he can put up with top 6 minutes and a much improved Red Wings team...
Pastrnak is amazing, don't get me wrong, but I agree that the Vrana comparison is uneven or premature at best. Let's see what happens with a full season on a line with Larkin and Raymond!
#LGRW
Daigle pissed away talents that 99.99% of hockey players could only dream of. How arrogant do you have to be to make the NHL and then not care about it
"But Button's almost never right...sooo...🤷♂️" 😂 Most accurate quote in a video filled with accurate quotes.
The thing with Theodore was that there was conflict in the locker rooms between a bunch of players. This hastened his departure from the club. This is not something sports medias have tackled much, but a few more recent interviews have shed some light on how Saku Koivu and Craig Rivet were bullies back then and Mike Ribeiro was often times on the receiving end ( him being a direct threat to Koivu for the #1 C spot back then ), along with Theodore and a few others. The atmosphere was toxic at best. The organization made the choice to start over with Carey Price as their new franchise player, got Brian Gionta, Scott Gomez, Mike Cammalleri and a few others. They got rid of both sides who were at the source of the conflicts. I wonder if they would've chosen Price if not for this whole thing that was happening behind the scenes.
Poor Mike, he could have been a more memorable player, always seemed he wasn't quite being allowed to shine.
@@kalaupun still the only player to ever score 10 goals in a 7 game series
I remember when Gomez went on a 27 game pointless streak. Man, that guy sucked.
Nevermind, it was 53 games without a goal... I don't know which is worse.
@@kalaupun Ribeiro had top tier hands and was one of the best playmakers I've ever seen. I recently saw him in a podcast and he seems to be doing great so it seems he fought and defeated his demons too.
Price has had an amazing career and brought mediocre Habs teams places they had no business being. That doesn't mean a different pick might not have helped the team more. Look at the teams that have won Cups, tell me how many tie up mega-superstar type contracts in their goalies? The cap means this doesn't work, it's not a knock on Price. In a way he's too good.
The only way I can think of where he might have genuinely hurt the team is when, as you said, he made a mediocre team look much better than it was. The Habs had many years where neither Price, Subban nor Pacioretty had a big contract and they could easily have made a big push toward winning then. Instead, management preferred treading water with the thinking that "with Price in net, anything was possible". That was dumb thinking and is the real reason why Price never won a cup and Andrei Vasilevskiy did.
@@bwalker77 those years were so full of promise and it was really wasted
How could the Senators be tanking when they were a 1st year expansion team? Back then the expansion drafts were nothing like today and teams were getting other teams depth players and by depth i mean mostly 4th line players. Expansion teams always sucked for a while back then.
Well u just lose more than u normally would..
@@idontgivetkachuk Take a look at their roster for that season...they didn't tank, they were just that bad of a team.
I went to see them play my Wings in that season in Ottawa and the Sens actually beat my Wings...talk about being pissed off leaving the arena.
Marchand has been the best all round player for the Bruins for awhile now.
I mean, it is Pierre McGuire.
Always thought Craig Button is the Number 1 buffoon on hockey television. Pierre McGuire is for sure the Number 1B, and it may be even closer.
McGuire thinks he was so damned smart by listing off a half dozen francophone players because "le Canadiens, amirite."
I would love to see a video on the full line of Kharlamov, Petrov, and Mikhailov. Definitely has to be the greatest line to never play in the NHL.
It's not a draft day prediction but along those lines check out some of the Phil Kessel hype in 2004-05.... Quote from Pierre at the 2005-06 World Juniors. "If he was born 3 weeks earlier he would have been eligible for the 2005 draft and the only question would be Phil Kessel or Sidney Crosby" - ironically 10 years later Pittsburgh would have both
Pierre was right about price… 6 goals in 20 shot, ouch
Pierre McGuire on John McFarland after McFarland was passed over in the 2010 1st round: "that kid will come back to haunt some teams."
i remember watching the Yakupov draft (and Maguire lambasting Edmonton for not taking Ryan Murray) but I totally missed the Kharlamov comparison. Truly unhinged!
what pierre should have said was "Price is a big guy with a big stick, guy's a monster who plays hard, he played for the Muskoka Lab Rats and loves eating his apple jacks with peaches on top", you know stick to the classics
😭😭😭😭
" Ya know sometimes you got a big stick yourself there. *oddly stares*"
Yakupov is an enigma I mean he was the best player in the juniors by far and then I don’t think anyone knows what happened to him. It happens.
I'm a die hard Oilers fan and I'm convinced what happened to him was our coach Eakins. I watched him destroy Yakupov's development, confidence, and flair/love for the game. Yakupov would be creating chances and scoring, but the moment he made a turnover, Eakins would bench him. The Oilers were bottom feeders, and Hall would make a worse turnover, or a number of other players would, and they never got benched or received the same treatment that Yakupov did. I watched as his confidence and love for the game slowly faded, as did his success.
I'm convinced that had he been coached by Tod Mclellan or Jay Woodcroft, or drafted by Yzerman, he could've lived up to his expectations.
Great to see you back in my notifications
That's such a W
You could and should do a "Craig Button" screwed up prediction video of its own.
Bobby Mac doesn’t give his opinion on a player or their potential. He speaks to usually a handful of team scouts or front office executives and conveyed those opinions.
If Pierre makes a mistake about a young prospect than that is very rare. There is not one person in North America who knows more about young prospects in the NHL for the past 30 years than Pierre. If I was an NHL owner I would hire two people and go from there: Pierre McGuire and Martin Brodeur. I am still upset we DID NOT draft Yaroslav Askarov and two rounds later we draft Nico Dawes. I saw Nico play at the WJC and my Russia Red Machine DESTROYED him. All this being said, Nico helped put the Devils AHL team Utica as the best team in the AHL currently and is now becoming one of the very best young goalies in the NHL.HIs development has been amazing. Craig Button had a bad prediciton on Zachary FUcale.
Honestly, Pierre’s assessment isn’t bad. You forgot to mention how high he was on Anze Kopitar going to the Canadiens, which would’ve been a reach at the 5th pick. Hindsight is 20/20
Would have been a lot better than Creme Brule.
“Buttons almost never right” 🤣🤣 underrated channel 👍🏼
Thanks man 😂😂
So true. Buttons an idiot
The entire lead up to the draft I was saying the Oilers shouldn't draft Yakupov and should have gone for a defenseman or traded the pick.
Pierre McGuire is an embarrassment to Hockey
The thing people tend to forget is that 2012 was a pretty down year in general for prospects. In fact, it's probably one of the worst draft years all time. In alot of other years, Yakupov doesn't go #1.
Not trying to make excuses for Yakupov, he is clearly an all time bust, but you have to look at context as well. If he is born a few months later and eligible for 2013 instead of 2012 he might have not even gone in the top 5.
@@AD-df5tm I was saying this because Edmonton was already pretty loaded up front having drafted high in the forward department for several years.they could have had Ryan Murray or traded the pick for a decent defenseman
If you could make this a series, that would be great.
It was hard finding these six haha! But I’ll see what I can do!
Price is a hot take..?
They put a TON of resources into their goalies.
If you spent 40k refreshing a classic car and then had to re-mortgage your house to buy a new, more reliable vehicle, I'd question that.
That's what Price was AT THE TIME.
Did Price win them a Cup? No?
Weird. I guess making the playoffs really is success in Canada 😉
Oh, and Getzlaf wasn't a top guy on his own.
He was a good part of a great line. It's funny, you talk about Getzlaf being such an underrated success (nope, just a very deep draft) while barely mentioning how good his teammates were, but fail to mention how Daigle had almost zero support.
If the Arizona Coyotes were the team to get Bedard, guarantee someone would be shitting on him.
Despite being the only offensive player worth a damn.
Note how Chicago got players to play with Bedard, and are making sure he's well supported.
Kinda the other reason Yakupov didn't work: the Oilers kept trying to build a bunch of young guys together, without any real, good veteran presence to help out.
Remember how many years it took for McDavid and co. to actually do anything worth anything, and they still haven't won so much as a Conference Finals game in over half a decade of trying.
Kharlamov could start the idea for a video of best players to never play in the nhl
Also Brayden point is a bigger steal than pasta imo, they’re about as good as each other and point went so much later
Would love him to fo a Khalamov vid, along with some of the old Soviet players. They may have played for the evil empire, but they were amazing to watch.
Pierre is a far better color man than he is a hockey executive.
Honestly Nail might've been a big star in the league if he didnt get picked by Edmonton - where draft picks go to die
Ya just imagine what Leon and Connor could’ve become
Yup I lived in Edmonton when he came. Nail was one of the more behaved Oilers. I never seen him out getting drunk. Seen Hall and RNH pissed out of their mind at 3am a few times
It's safe to say if a prospect has played for the Peterborough Petes in the OHL, you probably should draft him...
Wayne Gretzky
Bob Gainey
Tie Domi
Chris Pronger
Larry Murphy
Steve Yzerman
Eric Staal
Jordan Staal
Zach Bogosian
Mike Ricci
Steve Larmer
To name a few, and not to mention the 2 greatest coaches in history coached the Petes...
Have the Petes ever had a guy with the last name Pete 👀
@@idontgivetkachuk there was a Steve Peters... He was picked second overall, one spot ahead of Wayne Gretzky in the 1977 Ontario Major Junior Hockey League draft of 16-year-olds....
Loved this video - even after you said you were a flames fan - Go Oil! 😂😂😂😂
Thanks sm man haha!!
Forgot about Hugh Jessiman aka Huge Specimen
Valerie Kharlamov is proto Ovechkin minus the size, he moved like a modern day nhler to the point where Bobby Clarke had to wack him out of the summit series
One of the best skaters to lace them up matched by some of the best instincts the game has seen, way ahead of his time.
Also a Flames fan, I never blamed Feaster for making the pick on Jankowski. It was a very weak draft (same draft as Yakupov), it was late in the first round, so he took a flyer on a talented guy with potential, but who was obviously a project. Jankowski didn't even play Junior A hockey (I think he was a high school player). Jankowski teased us for a while, but never panned out. Where Feaster looks foolish was that prediction. He could have just said, "We like Mark's talent and he's going to the NCAA and we think when he's ready he's going to be a great player for us." Everyone would have understood that Feaster meant, "Well, we're hoping for the best but not really expecting much," which is the best you can do in a bad draft year.
In Vrana's defense, he was only averaging 11-12 minutes a game with the Caps, and maxed out with an average of 15 minutes a game in his 20-21 season. Not saying he's better than Pastrnak, but he was certainly given much less opportunity in a bottom-six role. Now that he's going to be a top-line/top 6 player he could very well pop off. Great stuff, dude!
Thanks Darren!
Karmalov or whatever his name is might of been the best player of all time not just in Russia. The goalie on that Russian team that toured the U.S. and beat almost every team may have been the best goalie ever to live also.
Did montreal Win any cups with Price? Nope. Price would probably have a few rings if he was drafted or traded to a team with proper management.
With that said, any habs fan that thinks the covid cup is worth any bragging rights, well your worse than a bolts fan arnt you?
the business of scouting and hyping prospects is flawed.
If you want to really go back for a big draft bust, Doug Wickenheiser in 1980. No. 1 draft pick overall picked up by the Canadiens.
I love Pasta, but Marchand is the best player on the Bruins roster. ❤️
The worst one in history goes back a little further…Montreal picking Doug Wickenheisor over Denis Savard saying Savard was too small. The same BS continues to this day. Most of the best players today are 6’ or less and under 200lbs. They say todays’ game is too fast. Wanna slow it down? Put the red line back in the game! Doesn’t matter then how tall you are. Too fast my azz!
Wick was rated higher then anyone in that draft .
@@daveyboy_ yes he was. He was projected #1 and probably any team would have selected him #1. He was also thought to be the next superstar…and may have been had Montreal handled him properly.
Prime Savard would have been amazing, but part of me wishes they had picked Paul Coffey instead.
With the Carey price pick I don’t think it was a bad take. He said it wasn’t a good fit not a bad choice. I’d say in terms of need not terrible but not great but in terms of what he became definitely good. If he grabbed a good center then it woulda been just as good.
Pierre Maguire told us in Toronto Luke Schenn would be the next Scott Stevens
😭😭😭
@@idontgivetkachuk he was a bit off in that assessment ...lol
I had no idea Channing Tatum was drafted by the habs.
😂😂
“Greatest players to ever wear the ducks ….. sweater” ????? Sweater ?! You mean Jersey ?! LMAO