Jordan Vance Frieza could stay in 100% power just fine. He was losing energy only because SSJ Goku completely stomped him. If they had retread the same plot point, then Goku would have turned SSJB halfway through the fight and beat down Frieza straight until Frieza died. I.E., Frieza would have never gained the upper hand at all once Goku transformed.
@Jordan Vance nah not really cause before frieza never could beat goku once he went ssj, goku's pl was 150m while frieza at 100% was only 120m. Goku just wanted to show frieza that he didn't have to kill him because at that point frieza stood no chance.
That's where you and others are wrong. Broly already had the power, he just needed the emotional upheaval to release it. That was the whole point of Frieza killing his dad. Frieza, on the other hand, legitimately had to train to get there and got there in the shortest amount of time possible.
People don’t understand how strong golden Frieza really was after training only a short period of time. If he trained with whis like goku and vegeta he would be amazing!
Vegeta had a good reason to be worried about Frieza in the Broly Movie. If Frieza ever sat back for 3 years to train and master a new transformation, he'd be damn near unstoppable, he almost caught Goku and Vegeta off guard in RoF. He could do it again
To think, a few years ago if someone told me Frieza would go from being weaker than imperfect Cell to being stronger than SSj Vegito in just a few months, I would laugh at them... But here we are!.
Bad fanfiction level writing lmao. People wrote similar stories for years where Frieza comes back and trains and becomes SSJ3 level and nobody took them seriously. Then Toriyama wanted some cash, made an even more ridiculous story, not only did Frieza jump to more powerful than Blue, but in four months no less, and people defend the plot. People are so damn retarded.
@@grydon6422 well Toryama wasn't really involved much in the story since toei changed many lines thats why the movies are non canon and the anime version is. Also Toryama was already rich befor he made Dragonball with his other manga Arael, he never needed money he cares about dragonball thats why he came back. The reason he helps Toei and Toyutaro is because he saw dragonball evelution and was disapointed what Dragonball became.
Grydon ! Preach my dude. It’s so fucking true. Just because the creator does something doesn’t mean it’ll make sense. It’s obvious Frieza got that strong cause of lazy writing
This is another issue of the evolution of the storyline destroying the special nature of the saiyans. Why? The prophecy of a super saiyan defeating Frieza never would have occurred if frieza trained once a week for a month.
Geekdom: "The biggest power leap ever..." 17: Yeah, more or less... Broly: Father says that's not true... Anime Roshi: That's cute... (Tanks Ssb Goku's Kamehameha). Manga Roshi: Lol. You said something? I was busy dodging Jiren.
Brolys leap is definitely the biggest. How is 17 leap bigger than frieza if he started stronger Than frieza and ended weaker than golden freiza? Not that 17 or Friezas leaps make any sense. Brolys leap makes the most sense because he was basically trained by goku vegeta and freiza before our very eyes already born equipped with gohans rage ability 100 times over.
And here I thought Gohan’s power boost from sitting down for 24 hours making him surpass Goku’s and Vegeta’s power from 7 years straight of intense training was annoying
Nigward yeah potential unleashed is BY FAR the least earned power up in the history of power ups, all you have to do is sit tight while old Kai does the rest Lol
That actually made sense since it was his hidden potential unlocked, its basically what he would have been if he didn't neglect his training, Frieza getting a 100 thousand times stronger in 4 months of playing with some foot soldier on the other hand does not make even a remote little ounce of sense and is one of the most retarded things I've ever heard.
It was bs but we all know gohan's potential was beyond bs in the first place, gohan is prodigy 2.0 but freeza just got actual thousands of times stronger with just training 4 months...
Imagine if Frieza was less lazy and put in some effort and trained in the 30 or so years between the destruction of Planet Vegeta and the destruction of Planet Namek.
If Freezer trained before Namek then it wouldn't have been near to the same effect. Plot Armor arguments are just an excuse ignoring writer's intended messages. Basically Freezer had no concept of strength beyond his own, and thus had no concept of how to enhance it further. He knew about Buu and Beerus but had no clue how strong they really were. Post Battle of Gods, Freezer knew more closely what he was dealing with and now had a goal post or two. Freezer basically got lucky on discovering how strong his new transformation was as well. The message with Freezers miraculous power gains is congruent with a real life sentiment: It's easier to be a strength building body builder than it is to be a heavyweight class, world champion boxer.
@Merciless Freak Hardly a kid. Watched DBZ when it first aired in US. Lol. Using plot armor argument is laziness and basically describes every literary hero or otherwise from any time period, period, from Gilgamesh onward. The whole point is looking at it from inside the box, otherwise you're missing the story because your plot armor is stronger than the author's own. If you want a better story then go be George RR Martin, Voltaire or Einstein who did their writing by putting up.
I would compare him more with Dr.Doom to the Fantastic Four and the Marvel Universe as a whole than with Joker. Frieza is everyone's villian and can challenge the best of them, at the same time he can be a valuable asset if the need arises.
Yeah, Frieza is similar to characters like; Hit, Broly, Jiren etc. It makes me believe god ki is overrated and kinda makes Vegeta as well as Goku look like chumps too... :/
I know this is alittle of topic but the voice actor for Gohan in spanish (Luis Alfonso Mendoza) passed away today in mexico. I grew up hearing him in spanish and meant a lot for me growing up hearing him as my favorite character. it would be great and an honor if you mentioned him in your next video i would appreciate it alot.
Goku was born with a 2 digit power level . I'd argue where he is at now is more unbelievable than Freiza reaching his heights. What was Freiza born at? A million?
or maybe he just knew that none of the saiyans who were alive when he was awake was strong enough to kill Freeza so that's why he was shocked cause he didn't know about Goku until Whis told him that Goku was the one who beat Freeza by going Super Saiyan
I've always held to the belief that Frieza was actually born much stronger than he was on Namek, but he lost a lot of that power because of sealing it away in his suppression forms for so long, kind of like how Gohan never bother to keep up with his training and got weaker.
@@AndrewAce. lmao im not a hater for simply saying 17's sudden power boost is weird. He's really strong, but dang... Should not be god levels of strong
Frieza was over decillion times stronger. My guy Frieza went from destroying large planets to universe+ in his final form and that not adding the gold transformation
People put way too much focus on 'power level' and forget how actual fighting works, but also on a subject the writers don't care enough about to have things make any real sense. The first season has Goku and Beerus destroying the universe with their punches, and then when goku gets stronger that's never brought again AND he's fighting other people on his level and above where that isn't happening and the fights are more grounded, because universe destroying punches weren't the focus of the story they wanted to tell. Like, think about the U6 tournament. You have this renowned assassin Hit, trading blows with a literal universe destroying-capable god Goku. If an assassin could destroy the universe with his punches, what's the point of his entire intro into the show, when he time skips his way through a guy's office and stealthily kills him. Literally just vaporize the room he's in with a sneeze. The amount of energy people put into making sense of some of the stuff in the show is sometimes way more thought than he writers put into it. At least that's how I feel. So I just turn my brain off and just enjoy the ride lol if I think too much about it, i'd go crazy.
Remember those punches happened because Goku could not control his god ki yet but yeah Dragon Ball characters always had this potential but they control their ki so their attacks focus more on attack potency than area of effect.
*"when he time skips his way through a guy's office and stealthily kills him. Literally just vaporize the room he's in with a sneeze."* Dragonball stopped making sense by the Cell saga if we are being honest. They were already stupid strong at that point. When Cell transformed into Perfect Cell, the people on Namek felt his power literally hundreds of light years away. Goku and Cell were destroying mountains with the shockwaves from their fist. Any fight after that, they should be destroying the planet. Buu saga they were ripping fabrics in reality. In Dragonball super they are 10k times stronger then that. Point I'm getting at is I turned my brain off with this series a long time ago because the more you think about it, the more the show makes zero sense. I do find it funny how people come up with head cannon trying their best though. The show wrote themselves into a corner where the only way to make a threat to Goku and friends is to make someone stronger. Comics do the same thing I guess
In the tournament of power frieza gave dyspo a challenge that forced dyspo to transform unlike hit who was struggling against dyspo in base form If golden frieza fought hit , hit would've got defeated in an instant because golden frieza is faster and stronger than dyspo's base form
@@blakewagner2895 he doesn't need to , as long as he's way faster than hit ,time skip is meaningless the same way dyspo outclassed hit And Golden frieza is way faster than dyspo in base
I don't think its super unrealistic, frieza had a max power level of 120 million with zero training which is kinda bonkers, and while later in the show 120 isnt much anymore it shows the potential of frieza is insane, only balanced out by how lazy he is, he doesnt even fly under his own power usually unless his chair thing is too slow or broken
Loreli Hunter It looks like it but it was never specifically stated that he obtained god ki, honestly i don't even know how vegeta got god ki. It seems kinda odd that it's something you can gain from training
@@azahroon I honestly think Toriyama just gave vegeta god no because he wanted vegeta to be on the same level as goku. That or the fans just kept bitching about it
Love seeing you guys collab! I always think about this jump in Frieza’s power too. I like to think Frieza was leaping so high AT FIRST since that was the first time he ever trained in his life, and he plateaued at an area of strength that would now be his average. It’s hard to explain in words, but I don’t think he could leap like that again because he was making up for lost time and just got all his strength at once. He can get stronger still, but at a more steady rate I think.
I imagine it as that too. Just think of a super lanky, out of shape guy. He trains for 2 years and becomes a big body builder, and goes from lifting ~70 lbs to 300 lbs easily. Even if he trains for the next ten or even twenty years, he probably won’t break 400 lbs under the same training method. Also, Golden form helped Frieza’s power a lot, and is the biggest reason for his jump.
Freiza trained in his suppressed form. So would each level of suppression be like a double reverse multiplier. Kind of like his own internal gravity chamber it would be harder to train and grow in power while suppressing all those forms. This he'd get thousands of times the benefits when he stopped suppressing and started to try to transform beyond his limit. The first actual push to assend to a new power level. This if each mode got stronger each mode could have applied a mass push of multipliers once Freiza let go and reach for the new level.
The real truth is, if Frieza trained for 10 years he wouldn't even be as strong as Buu, since the entire reason why Frieza was so scared of saiyans was because their power grows at a much faster rate than his does, Frieza was born far more powerful but his rate of increase was nothing compared to a saiyan's which is why Goku was able to beat Frieza despite being nothing to him because Goku kept getting stronger wile they were fighting wile Frieza was actually getting weaker, if he could surpass Goku's 15 years of training in just 4 months then Frieza would have wrecked Goku just by tripling his power in 5 minutes, its strange how most people don't think logically about dragonball super they just accept any bullshit that stupid show throws at us, Roshi is now stronger than Cell in super, and is nearly as strong as Jiren in the manga, when will people stop taking this shit seriously?
Yes it's really weird and funny that Frieza went from Star level in his True Base Form im Namek Saga to universal level in True Base Form after Training For 4 Months.😂😂 then he Got Over 10 Times Stronger after Training His Mind in He!!. Then He Got Even Stronger Training after The Tournament of power.. in the light novel of the Broly movie it was stated that Golden Frieza was imtially holding his own again Super Saiyan 1 Broly... proving that golden Frieza at that time would have manhandled both Super Saiyan blue Goku and Super Saiyan blue Vegeta by Himself. However Frieza was simply playing it safe he was unsure of what Aces Goku and Vegeta Would Have. Just imagine how overpowered Frieza would be in an anime adaptation of the Broly movie.. however based on frieza's feats. He is at least Universal +.
I don't know, personally I dont mind the power increase. As simple of a reason as it was, the whole "Ive never even trained in my life til now" reason worked fine for me
@@grydon6422 I consider myself a pretty rational person. I'm not going to lose sleep over a cartoon about aliens fighting and any possible thing thats not logical about it lol
@Merciless Freak While I agree, I was pointing out how a good portion of the community complained about 17 but completely ignored Frieza who had a bigger leap in power in a much shorter time frame.
I have a question Geekdom, if you could so kindly make a video perhaps on the answer if you have any insight please. During Dragonball Z when Goku and Vegeta fuse using the potora earrings, Why does Vegeta all of a sudden appear too be in his SSJ form, while Goku looks too be in his base? My guess was always that similar too thee other fusion the energies must match the participants, but that don't make sense for Goku too be do powerful in his base over Vegeta that Vegeta must go SSJ?? Always confused me.
Having the realization that frieza one upped everything up to Resurrection F blue goku is just mind blowing,especially considering that he did 4 months of training where as goku trained for years. I can agree with you guys saying he leaped by millions since billions seems a bit unrealistic.
This power leap just made no sense in 4 months to get that strong to be stronger than a surpassed god level saiyan its just BS that came out of the writers ass. A lot of supers fights and that made no sense like for example ssj3 gotenks being beaten by that copy of vegeta in base form. Just bs that makes no sense
He learned to hold the golden form by just visualizing goku and his movements with a mental training not even being able to move . I mean why would frieza stop when he knows about beerus and the gods.
My head cannon is that Frieza owns something similar to the Time Chamber maybe not as strong as the one in Earth, but let's say Frieza's variant of this is half as strong, that still leaves plenty of time for frieza to grow decades in a a few weeks
Zerum Head cannons don't count and we can't really support that so how about that Frieza's race can have an amazing potential in power since Frieza was an amazing threat in the Namek Saga and he was the first to reach a power level of 1 million I think if that Frieza might have that excuse but I can't support that either
Frieza never trained before, than when he first trained, his power boosted fast. Because of that people assume that his progress would stay at that rate, however, when you're new at something, which frieza technically was (training to boost power) you naturally progress fast. But after sometime, your progress will level off, an example of that is in the broly movie, frieza says "no matter how much I raise my power level, I can't seem to beat them" I think it implies, he's raised even more since tournament of power, and knows it's not enough. (If you watch "my hero" almight has a good explanation that's credible) if another character has a similar boost, I don't think it will come from frieza next time.
If he can just train for 4 months and be stronger than ssj1, ssj2, ssj3, ssg. Why was he scared of the legend of super saiyan during the namek arc? I mean, he could just train for a month and easily be stronger than ssj goku.
I think it'd have made more sense to have golden freeza being his god form like ssg to goku rather than a 4 months baseless power up imo. I mean, god ki had so much potential but we only saw a bunch of not-gods using it (like goku or toppo), golden freeza was the perfect opportunity
Just imagine if he trained with Goku and Vegeta. Dude would easily be the strongest character in DragonBall. That's why they never have him train anymore. It would mess the whole anime up.
Next leap year video: how super saiyan marillo is the strongest form ever based on pan destroying every god of destruction simultaneously by glancing at them using the same technique goku used on namek to make a hole to bury vegeta in :)
Yeah thats the thing when someone's naturally strong and never trained. I mean if you were someone who was already stronger than most other beings you know then what's the point to get stronger right? Until you met the one being that surpassed you.
it’s just weird though. The gap between a namek saga being and a god level being should be impossible to gain in 4 months...unless god ki isn’t all it’s been made to be
@@lightinstinct707 nah it's possible bc he is giving alot of money to toei... we all know that, is just poor writing for the sake of money and they could do in a better way but they (Toryama) didn't care ...
The real truth is, if Frieza trained for 10 years he wouldn't even be as strong as Buu, since the entire reason why Frieza was so scared of saiyans was because their power grows at a much faster rate than his does, Frieza was born far more powerful but his rate of increase was nothing compared to a saiyan's which is why Goku was able to beat Frieza despite being nothing to him because Goku kept getting stronger wile they were fighting wile Frieza was actually getting weaker, if he could surpass Goku's 15 years of training in just 4 months then Frieza would have wrecked Goku just by tripling his power in 5 minutes, its strange how most people don't think logically about dragonball super they just accept any bullshit that stupid show throws at us, Roshi is now stronger than Cell in super, and is nearly as strong as Jiren in the manga, when will people use their head for a moment and stop taking this shit seriously?
Frieza destroyed the Saiyans soley because of his fear of the legend of the Super Saiyan. The Saiyans (before Broly's inclusion) were no where near Frieza's power. Even in his first form. so why would Frieza worry if the Saiyans won't compare to him anytime soon? The Saiyans don't even train since they are only judged by there power by birth and sticked with it. Which is why Vegeta believed there was no way a Low Class Saiyan could pass an elite. Goku didn't get stronger as he fights. If it were the case then he wouldn't have struggled so much against Vegeta, Frieza, Cell, and even Buu as the fight progresses. He would've overtaken them as time goes by.While Goku did surpassed Frieza when he transformed, Frieza's 100% was draining him while the fight was going. Not so much as Goku getting stronger. Also about Roshi, he isn't even near Cell's level. You see the idea was that since Roshi's an experienced fighter he can read his opponents movements and since Jiren's attacks were straight forward (plus Jiren holding back) he was able to dodge it. (Yes I know it's stupid to have Roshi doing it against Jiren in the manga. Which is why I liked the anime better)
Same as Saiyans. They just instinctually knew how to do it. Freezer also was adept at instant learning shown by his learning death pizza without effort.
Goku just better be glad Freiza didn't take him up on that offer to "go get stronger then come fight me again" cuz it woulda been a wrap for ol Kakarot
It wouldn't, in reality Frieza would not catch Goku even with 10 years of training unless he trains longer and harder, Super gave Frieza a stupidly nonsensical boost for the sake of plot and nostalgia marketing only, not based on logic, originally Frieza's ability to grow his power is vastly slower than Goku's and any saiyan's which is the central core plot to the whole Frieza saga which is that Frieza was afraid of the saiyans potential to surpass him because they have the ability to grow their power much faster than he does despite him being born far more powerful, if Frieza could get 100,000x stronger in just 4 months of playing with a weak foot soldier then he would never have to worry about the saiyans ever because he could just triple his power in 5 minutes from just flying alone or simply utilizing his ki, but as you can see, the whole reason why Goku beat Frieza despite Goku at first being nothing compared to Frieza to suddenly being stronger than him is because Goku being a saiyan was able to get much stronger wile he was fighting which Frieza started to regret since him toying with Goku was that allowed Goku's strength to develop so much, Frieza even reached his max and started to gain the advantage but Goku just kept getting stronger wile Frieza was actually getting weaker, so in reality Frieza would have had to have been training the whole 15 years with Cell and using gravity training to reach near to Buu let alone above.
@@hyperrunner8531 it makes sense that training would give him plenty power. He never trained his whole life and was already at like 2 million. A saiyan neva reached that without training. So I'm guessing they tryna say the DNA of Friezas race is superior which would make sense sense that naturally way out of there leauge. They probably just naturally lazy. Where saiyans are naturally active. So it balances out
@@incognegro7 It does not make sense because the level you are born at is a completely different thing to how fast you increase your level, Vegeta was born like hundreds of times stronger than Goku, but Goku seems to grow stronger at a faster rate, you didn't listen, birth power and rate of increase are 2 completely different things, if Frieza could get so strong so quickly he would never worry about the saiyans the whole nonsense in DBS just contradicts the entire theme of the Frieza saga, the saiyans were weaker but they grew faster than Frieza which Frieza feared which is why he tried to get rid of them.
I'm pretty sure that frieza was stated to be a mutant so that would explain how he gain that much power in such a short amount of time I'm not sure if it's true tho
Golden Frieza outmatched dyspo in base form and was toying with him in final form unlike hit who was struggling and couldn't keep up to his speed , not to mention that he survived broly for an hour the thing that goku and vegeta blue couldn't do . Also he's the first mortal in dbs who survived the energy of destruction by both toppo and sidra
I liked this discussion. To me I think it would be interesting also contemplating the multiplier of final form to golden. From what I can tell, you could say final form frieza is equal to base Goku. Going from there if ss3 is base x400, SSG is vastly Superior to that and SSB should technically be x50 of whatever SSG is, what could possibly be the multiplier on golden form??
Stormcutter 59 He never did it fits his character really before the namek saga no one ever beaten Frieza no one has ever beaten him we'v seen character like Bardock who tries to kill 1st form Frieza fail and King Vegeta also failed as well so really he's not afraid of anything he's pretty cocky and people who faced against him and died proved that
@@75JUNAKI We have been given no reason to believe Frieza never trained. He seems experienced in martial arts and has the ability to concentrate his power in a way that's on an expert level. Also I remember him maybe mentioning training with his father during his fight against Goku. Seems like this whole thing was retconned, another bullshit plot element from Super to excuse their lazy writing
If he trained with Whis or in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber like hell, I *strongly* believe that he could *theoretically* eventually catch up Ultra Instinct Goku or Jiren.
@@vegetalover9297 Probably. You have to realize that he catched up SSJB Kaioken Goku, post Goku Black through just mental training. Weirdly enough, he hasn't even achieved a God form. If he could train hard in his Golden form for longer periods of time, he wouldn't ever run out of power again.
The first time I ever heard the line "it seems impossible for you to defeat Frieza as you are now" was in the Battle of Gods movie. Now I don't know if it's different in the sub but, in the dub he absolutely did say that. Also the Resurrection F arc dialogue was a lot closer to the movie than Battle of Gods when they redubbed it.
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The main thing that msde sense on this for me the fact he said in anime atleast as i remember. That he had never trained a day in his life. He was just that strong throughout all his forms in namek saga. So it gets away with it for me xD
Vorile DeWise He didn’t train then because he believed that Super Saiyan was the height of their power, and his Mecha enhancements boosted him over Namek Saga SSJ Goku. He didn’t take into account Goku gaining even more power or Trunks, which lead to him getting killed in either timeline.
@@hecantguardme15 you're right they took broly from unable to land a blow on base form vegeta to "he might even be stronger than beerus" in a fight that was probably 10 minutes smh that's a bunch a BS too!
Broly, Frieza, and Gohan have the highest potentials in the entire series. if any of them actually got serious about training on the intensity and frequency that Goku&Vegeta do they would easily be God of Destruction tier of higher. (Kefla might also have some of this potential. don't attack me)
@@arian8993 yeah, but Hit has time skip. Which if you think about it, is potentially the most broken thing in dragon Ball aside from ultra instinct. Hit can just use time skip on himself and get a year's worth of training in an instant. It's better than the hyperbolic time chamber.
Vegeta knows all of this cause that’s his main reason to keep training. When we see Goku and vegeta sparring and whis asks why train. Vegeta says because friezia is alive again and he’s worried if Frieza gets a new form.
I think Goku's base by the Buu saga was around his Ssj self during the Android saga which I think should be at least more than twice as powerful as his Ssj self on namek since he was roughly as (possible more powerful than Future Trunks who killed a more powerful frieza and King Cold with no issue) so at least 300 million PL or more. X 400 for Ssj 3 = 120 billion at least. The fusions increase seems to change but it was said that base vegito is more powerful than Ssj 3 Goku during the Buu saga, so another 400 X increase = 48 trillion. Goku's body absorb the God energy into his base to the point where his Ssj self is still fighting Beerus which during the Resurrection F is at least equal to that or more. So base Goku = roughly 48 trillion, still can turn Ssj God which even if its not the same increase in power as the 1st time would still be a power increase of a few thousands (say 3000) = Ssj God Goku being 144 Quadrillion during the Resurrection F. Ssj Blue in the anime seems to be roughly a 10 times increase (manga) meaning Ssj Blue Goku during Resurrection F arc PL is 1.44 Quintillion on a very low ball with many things suggesting that the PL of Ssj Blue Goku being much higher. Fun fact during the film it was said that Golden Frieza's PL at that time was 100 Quintillion (Thats a 1 with 20 zeros behind it).
Freeza has a lot of potential and never trained. So him skipping all of Z to get stronger in 4 months and Beerus saying Goku is too weak to have beaten Freeza makes a lot of sense.
It doesn't. He was terribly scared of saiyans, in fact he feared them so much that he had to blow up their planet. Couldn't he just train a little? Why did he had to kill so many warriors willing to fight for him? And also Mecha-Frieza... Two days of training would have been enough to reach perfect Cell level. But he HAD to go straight to the Earth, didn't he? And also... He's currently alive, what's stopping him from training for another month and reach Beerus level? The only reason he's not becoming even stronger is because he would be an inconvenience to the plot.
@@lucianofrancesco4742 All true. I would accept if he absorbed some Demon/Devil energy during his time in hell and that's how he became stronger. Instead he trained 4 months with a foot soldier
@Luciano Francesco see that’s where you’re wrong. Freeza had people who were way stronger than Vegeta, Nappa and Radditz. He didn’t even know about Goku and Gohan. But as long as he saw their power levels as a .00010th of his actual power level, he didn’t fear them. He feared the legend. But he ain’t care about the saiyans. Also. Mecha Freeza’s powers were enhanced. He didn’t know Goku did hella training. That was more of a “I’m the reason i lost” kind of deal. Like in madden when people mess up and say it’s their fault but they’re actually just trash. Freeza had to figure that out.
@@RobertLoyale Yeah, he feared the legend, that's why he killed millions of saiyans. Where was I wrong? He chose to kill valuable soldiers when he could have just done some squats maybe 2 times a week and become as powerful as Majin Buu. It's still stupid and you didn't addressed my point.
Honestly, when you think about it frieza leaping in power isnt so hard to believe. Frieza isnt human , neither is are any of the villains in DBZ. The main cast in DBZ are essentially mortals with the exception of the androids, Buu and the saiyans(which physiologically are closest related to human). The main villains through the series have never trained yet they were leaps and bounds stronger than a super saiyan. With that being said, humans are relatively weak compared to other aliens races being born with extremely low power levels and low potential. Human training is a mortal aspect....in which never really applies to aliens. Aliens atleast in the DBZ universe are already psychologically superior to humans which is why frieza never trains and I'm pretty sure other aliens species dont either. The only exception to the rules are saiyans because they do not have a capped potential like humans and other alien species. Saiyans have a innate ability to adapt and progress in strength overtime. Sure, they arent born with extremely high power levels like other species however this gift is what makes saiyans so special. For example, bears have the strength to be able to lift cars and top out at speeds of 50mph(Do you ever see bears at the gym). Humans can train all there lives and never come close to these stats. The humans in DBZ, sure are able to do incredible things but at the end of the day they are physiologically unable to to be as strong as a super saiyan due to max physiological potential. Saiyans dont have this issue, they can get stronger without limitations which is why frieza saw saiyans as a threat to his being.
😂😂😂.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Frieza: “ If I train in earnest for the next 4 months, yes I could reach a power level of 1.3 million. That is comical, but jokes aside, Frieza’s Self Improvement is infinitely greater than he was in Z Sagas(Namek - beginning of Android Arc). In the original Z, King Kai said Mecha Frieza’s Supernova attack was 10x greater than the Death Ball on Namek he used against Goku. That Supernova attack is in the billions, and SSJ Trunks lifted the Supernova with 1 arm. And Goku tanks Trunks Sword(Trunks’s Strength + the Sword itself) with 1 finger in his SSJ form. Not to mentioned Goku as a Saiyan endured tremendous amounts of pain from the Kaiokenx20 and 50% Frieza almost killing him. So Goku as a Saiyan after the battle with Frieza in Base Form would be greater than or equal to 50% Frieza + that Base Amplification( Piccolo said to Gero if he absorbed all his energy, it wouldn’t matter), Goku talked about this with Ginyu and stated a 180,000 Kaioken is nothing compared to the power he puts out in small bursts. Followed up with a year of training and combining the Base Amp Power with the Standard Super Saiyan at will, Super Saiyan is substantially a higher multiplier than 50x before the mastery of Super Saiyan. Goku’s Base Form in the Android Arc is already in the high millions. Goku said Babidi’s magic power was 1000 weaker than Buu. Pikkon one shotted Frieza and his father and Super Perfect Cell(Even if Cell was suppressed, he is still far stronger than Full Power Perfect Cell, Pikkon’s speed was like a blur to Goku, Cell, Frieza and King Cold.) He knocked out Super Perfect Cell with his weights on with one shot, Cell is a guy who off guard and is in deep thought while praising his Perfect self, could tank a Destructo Disc from a pissed off Krillin. Goku in Base Form after training was stronger than weighted Pikkon. And yes he is cannon just like the other Kais King Kai mentioned in Super about how they were laughing at him for still being dead. So Base Goku before the tournament is stronger than Super Perfect Cell.
Yes he was talking about his First Form. But between his First Form - Final Form was only 530,000 - 120,000,000. Sorbet told Frieza, Goku defeated Majin Buu(a being whom his father said never to challenge). Frieza deduced that in 4 months, his first form’s power could reach 1.3 million. Now doing the calculations, 120,000,000(Final Form) divided by 530,000 is 226.425094. You times that multiplier by 1.3 million(1,300,000), your answer is 294,339,623. Frieza believes with this power boost, he can kill Goku who beat Majin Buu. So he is saying Buu is weaker than how strong he would have been if his final form’s power increased over twice as much as it was on Namek.
I think the biggest power increase that nobody talks about is Android 17 last time we saw him Piccolo and Cell first form gave him problems now he can go toe to toe with SSB and possibly beat Golden Frieza.. That’s probably the biggest jump to me
I always wondered why they just give people random power ups now. In the manga it’s much more understandable but in the anime I never understood how even Android 17 could be close to gods considering Lord Beerus said god ki was a level no one could reach with normal training but I guess Potential>God Ki now
Lucifers Child I mean you kinda just answered your own question. The angrier he gets and the more he fights, the stronger he gets. Does it matter that we just saw him for the first time? Not really because He went from getting demolished by base Vegeta to taking hits from SSB Gogeta.
Caleb Barmes But thats his whole thing. His power never leaped. His potential was always there. If he fought Vegeta and goku just a day before hewould still become that powerful.
Lucifers Child exactly, he had the potential, he had the potential to make the leap in power that he did. By fighting Vegeta and Goku he got insanely stronger. If he fought anyone weaker, then he wouldn’t have been as strong. He went from being ~10,000 on Vampa which is stated in the movie to competing with post tournament of power ssb gogeta, Geekdom101 agrees in his video “ top 5 characters with highest potential.” He’s literally the legendary super Saiyan so he gets ridiculous ass zenkai boosts in the middle of the fight
Its not his species, he's just a mutant of his species, he was born powerful but this bullshit super has done has completely disgraced the entire story of DBZ, which is that Frieza destroyed planet Vegeta because he was scared of the saiyans potential to one day surpass him because the saiyans grow in strength far quicker than Frieza does with every fight which is the whole reason he was so worried about them, if he could get a hundred thousand times stronger in 4 months of playing with a foot soldier then he would never be worried about the saiyans in the least bit because he would triple his power just by simply using his ki for a few minutes, super doesn't care about logic, they will make anyone a million times stronger in one day just because they want to use them for the plot, Roshi is literally close to jiren level in the manga, the logic of super is, if you train for 5 minutes, you can become a god lol.
The only thing that makes sense is that when Frieza first uses his golden form it must be a 1,000,000 times multiplier but his body can’t handle that boost so when he dies and is in hell again he trains his regular body so when he uses his golden form the next time, the multiplier is much less.
Imagine being so salty, you became leagues stronger in just 4 months just to get revenge.
But you couldnt spare a few days to learn to regulate your own power and get bodied again.
MrJokerSenpai they had to figure out a way to make goku and vegeta stand a chance
Jordan Vance Frieza could stay in 100% power just fine. He was losing energy only because SSJ Goku completely stomped him.
If they had retread the same plot point, then Goku would have turned SSJB halfway through the fight and beat down Frieza straight until Frieza died. I.E., Frieza would have never gained the upper hand at all once Goku transformed.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂, what's so funny to me is goku wasn't even the one who originally killed him future trunks was the one who did the deed😂😂😂😂
@Jordan Vance nah not really cause before frieza never could beat goku once he went ssj, goku's pl was 150m while frieza at 100% was only 120m. Goku just wanted to show frieza that he didn't have to kill him because at that point frieza stood no chance.
Geekdom: Frieza had the biggest power leap in Dragon Ball Super
Broly: Hold my dead dad's scouter
That's where you and others are wrong. Broly already had the power, he just needed the emotional upheaval to release it. That was the whole point of Frieza killing his dad. Frieza, on the other hand, legitimately had to train to get there and got there in the shortest amount of time possible.
@@ReeceHoward06 He could consciously go Super Saiyan full power back when he was on Vampa then, yeah?
@@Apizzaslice Android 17: Hold my park ranger badge.
Krillin: hold my nose
@@Blah2000Blah Krillin hold my kamahaaaaa
People don’t understand how strong golden Frieza really was after training only a short period of time. If he trained with whis like goku and vegeta he would be amazing!
its amazing
Everett Bullock yup he settle at with his power he got then he saw how limited it was
Geekdom101 he would be an issue. It took goku and vegeta years to get to that level.
If Frieza kept training, Goku and Vegeta would have to resort to fusion in order to defeat him
I don't think Frieza would train with this because of his pride.
What about Broly who leaped from Ginyu to nearly SSGSS Gogeta in less than a day?
Alec Ritter but he was learning as he fought!!!!!
When did they say he was strong as Ginyu? He clearly already way stronger than that. Vegeta wouldn't have even budged to Ginyu at this point.
KolaThaBear #420 still, logically theres NO WAY he shoulda been a threat, but its Dragonball & the movie itself was amazing
The female Saiyans probably did a bigger leap than Freiza. They went from regular to fighting SSG Goku in a matter of days.
@@KolaTheBear It wasn't said, it was shown on a scouter IIRC.
Vegeta had a good reason to be worried about Frieza in the Broly Movie. If Frieza ever sat back for 3 years to train and master a new transformation, he'd be damn near unstoppable, he almost caught Goku and Vegeta off guard in RoF. He could do it again
But the fact that Frieza can even be allowed to do that by the writer's is RETARDED! sorry for commenting so late 😅
@@InsaneFuriousFlames yep this is what ruined the power scaling in dbs
You could say earth would still be safe until Frieza surpasses Beerus as the destroyer wouldn't let him wipe out all that food.
Spoiler:
Frieza DID train for 10 years!! Check out DBS manga chapter 87 this weekend.
@@Jdogg4089 black frieza
To think, a few years ago if someone told me Frieza would go from being weaker than imperfect Cell to being stronger than SSj Vegito in just a few months, I would laugh at them...
But here we are!.
Laughing at Toriyama?
The real power is Toriyama's lazy writing
Bad fanfiction level writing lmao. People wrote similar stories for years where Frieza comes back and trains and becomes SSJ3 level and nobody took them seriously.
Then Toriyama wanted some cash, made an even more ridiculous story, not only did Frieza jump to more powerful than Blue, but in four months no less, and people defend the plot. People are so damn retarded.
@@grydon6422 well Toryama wasn't really involved much in the story since toei changed many lines thats why the movies are non canon and the anime version is.
Also Toryama was already rich befor he made Dragonball with his other manga Arael, he never needed money he cares about dragonball thats why he came back. The reason he helps Toei and Toyutaro is because he saw dragonball evelution and was disapointed what Dragonball became.
Grydon ! Preach my dude. It’s so fucking true. Just because the creator does something doesn’t mean it’ll make sense. It’s obvious Frieza got that strong cause of lazy writing
This is another issue of the evolution of the storyline destroying the special nature of the saiyans.
Why?
The prophecy of a super saiyan defeating Frieza never would have occurred if frieza trained once a week for a month.
He could have hit the gym the day before going to namek and that would have been enough to beat SSj goku
Balrogsare op I tried not to be too over the top...but you might be right
I mean, Frieza is a lazy ass and would do things the easy way, that's why he got beaten.
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Geekdom: "The biggest power leap ever..."
17: Yeah, more or less...
Broly: Father says that's not true...
Anime Roshi: That's cute... (Tanks Ssb Goku's Kamehameha).
Manga Roshi: Lol. You said something? I was busy dodging Jiren.
The boosts were comical for Super
Which is why those parts feel like a parody of the DB universe, not a real continuation of it.
Basically in a nutshell, Dragon ball super is complete bullshit with zero logic and doesn't come within a parsec of making any sense.
Brolys leap is definitely the biggest. How is 17 leap bigger than frieza if he started stronger Than frieza and ended weaker than golden freiza? Not that 17 or Friezas leaps make any sense. Brolys leap makes the most sense because he was basically trained by goku vegeta and freiza before our very eyes already born equipped with gohans rage ability 100 times over.
@@cainsavage2618 I know about 17 that's why he said "more or less." Lol.
And here I thought Gohan’s power boost from sitting down for 24 hours making him surpass Goku’s and Vegeta’s power from 7 years straight of intense training was annoying
Plague of Gripes and TFS were right
Power levels are bullshit
Nigward yeah potential unleashed is BY FAR the least earned power up in the history of power ups, all you have to do is sit tight while old Kai does the rest Lol
That actually made sense since it was his hidden potential unlocked, its basically what he would have been if he didn't neglect his training, Frieza getting a 100 thousand times stronger in 4 months of playing with some foot soldier on the other hand does not make even a remote little ounce of sense and is one of the most retarded things I've ever heard.
Sitting 24 hours doing nothing but watching an old man dance circles around you feels like a giant mental effort. I don't think I'd stand it.
It was bs but we all know gohan's potential was beyond bs in the first place, gohan is prodigy 2.0 but freeza just got actual thousands of times stronger with just training 4 months...
This is honestly a very creative video something i assume you had been planning for 4 years
nah not this one but thanks
how can he plan a video 4 years ago when his golden form hasn’t happened yet 🤦♂️
Imagine if Frieza was less lazy and put in some effort and trained in the 30 or so years between the destruction of Planet Vegeta and the destruction of Planet Namek.
XAVIER VILLANUEVA no shit sherlock, that’s why he said “imagine”
XAVIER VILLANUEVA “dingus wingus” lmao
saintrhon profile pic is cursed lmao
If Freezer trained before Namek then it wouldn't have been near to the same effect. Plot Armor arguments are just an excuse ignoring writer's intended messages.
Basically Freezer had no concept of strength beyond his own, and thus had no concept of how to enhance it further. He knew about Buu and Beerus but had no clue how strong they really were. Post Battle of Gods, Freezer knew more closely what he was dealing with and now had a goal post or two. Freezer basically got lucky on discovering how strong his new transformation was as well.
The message with Freezers miraculous power gains is congruent with a real life sentiment: It's easier to be a strength building body builder than it is to be a heavyweight class, world champion boxer.
@Merciless Freak Hardly a kid. Watched DBZ when it first aired in US. Lol.
Using plot armor argument is laziness and basically describes every literary hero or otherwise from any time period, period, from Gilgamesh onward. The whole point is looking at it from inside the box, otherwise you're missing the story because your plot armor is stronger than the author's own.
If you want a better story then go be George RR Martin, Voltaire or Einstein who did their writing by putting up.
The Joker is to batman as Freeza is to Goku.
i agree with this.
But frieza is sane
Dante As is Lex Luthor to Superman
I would compare him more with Dr.Doom to the Fantastic Four and the Marvel Universe as a whole than with Joker. Frieza is everyone's villian and can challenge the best of them, at the same time he can be a valuable asset if the need arises.
Expect Goku actually want Frieza Dead, Unlike Batman
*FRIEZA THEME PLAYS IN BACKGROUND*
Imagine Frieza with God ki....
he may not need it!
Yeah, Frieza is similar to characters like; Hit, Broly, Jiren etc. It makes me believe god ki is overrated and kinda makes Vegeta as well as Goku look like chumps too... :/
Or in the room of spirit and time.
I honestly don't see him really needing it. God ki is kinda useless.
@@Geekdom101 well he certainly would be overpowered with it. However he would not have the patience to go through all that training.
I know this is alittle of topic but the voice actor for Gohan in spanish (Luis Alfonso Mendoza) passed away today in mexico. I grew up hearing him in spanish and meant a lot for me growing up hearing him as my favorite character. it would be great and an honor if you mentioned him in your next video i would appreciate it alot.
Freezer used to be my favorite villain, now he’s my 2nd fav character period (behind Piccolo)
He was always my favorite since a kid, followed by Piccolo too
Id argue Goku always makes incredible power leaps since raditz. From a 3 digit power level to where he went after that saga after saga is amazing
Goku was born with a 2 digit power level . I'd argue where he is at now is more unbelievable than Freiza reaching his heights. What was Freiza born at? A million?
Only one explanation... DB is inconsistent and characters just unlock ""new power " all d time... Still a fan tho 😂
0:20 I love how Frieza basically ripped Goku's classic fighting stance...if u can't beat 'em, join 'em I guess lol
Didn't he say he trained his mind in hell as well.. that's gotta be some type of multiplier on a different level
Imagine Freiza went into exile and trained nonstop on his home world for 10yrs post Broly arc....
Imagine being kinda right 😂
Black Frieza be like
@@lordarhima3615 Akira saw my comment bro.
makes sense why beerus was surprised when he heard frieza died. Maybe he knew frieza's potential.
or maybe he just knew that none of the saiyans who were alive when he was awake was strong enough to kill Freeza so that's why he was shocked cause he didn't know about Goku until Whis told him that Goku was the one who beat Freeza by going Super Saiyan
I've always held to the belief that Frieza was actually born much stronger than he was on Namek, but he lost a lot of that power because of sealing it away in his suppression forms for so long, kind of like how Gohan never bother to keep up with his training and got weaker.
The only thing more ridiculous than Frieza’s power leap is how much people were bitching about mine...
I know right.
Ignore those haters, you're the MVP!
I mean it kinda don't make much sense
@@Daddykazzy REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Haters get out!
@@AndrewAce. lmao im not a hater for simply saying 17's sudden power boost is weird. He's really strong, but dang... Should not be god levels of strong
Frieza was over decillion times stronger. My guy Frieza went from destroying large planets to universe+ in his final form and that not adding the gold transformation
You know I’m not surprised this video got uploaded today. Good job Geekdom
i promoted it - thanks
Geekdom101 Yeah I remember now that I saw it on the community post you put talking about this video. I just forgot the day.
People put way too much focus on 'power level' and forget how actual fighting works, but also on a subject the writers don't care enough about to have things make any real sense. The first season has Goku and Beerus destroying the universe with their punches, and then when goku gets stronger that's never brought again AND he's fighting other people on his level and above where that isn't happening and the fights are more grounded, because universe destroying punches weren't the focus of the story they wanted to tell.
Like, think about the U6 tournament. You have this renowned assassin Hit, trading blows with a literal universe destroying-capable god Goku. If an assassin could destroy the universe with his punches, what's the point of his entire intro into the show, when he time skips his way through a guy's office and stealthily kills him. Literally just vaporize the room he's in with a sneeze.
The amount of energy people put into making sense of some of the stuff in the show is sometimes way more thought than he writers put into it. At least that's how I feel. So I just turn my brain off and just enjoy the ride lol if I think too much about it, i'd go crazy.
Remember those punches happened because Goku could not control his god ki yet but yeah Dragon Ball characters always had this potential but they control their ki so their attacks focus more on attack potency than area of effect.
I agree
*"when he time skips his way through a guy's office and stealthily kills him. Literally just vaporize the room he's in with a sneeze."*
Dragonball stopped making sense by the Cell saga if we are being honest. They were already stupid strong at that point. When Cell transformed into Perfect Cell, the people on Namek felt his power literally hundreds of light years away.
Goku and Cell were destroying mountains with the shockwaves from their fist. Any fight after that, they should be destroying the planet. Buu saga they were ripping fabrics in reality. In Dragonball super they are 10k times stronger then that.
Point I'm getting at is I turned my brain off with this series a long time ago because the more you think about it, the more the show makes zero sense. I do find it funny how people come up with head cannon trying their best though.
The show wrote themselves into a corner where the only way to make a threat to Goku and friends is to make someone stronger. Comics do the same thing I guess
@@MikeBNumba6 power scaling was handled better in Z and GT than in Super. Period
In the tournament of power frieza gave dyspo a challenge that forced dyspo to transform unlike hit who was struggling against dyspo in base form
If golden frieza fought hit , hit would've got defeated in an instant because golden frieza is faster and stronger than dyspo's base form
Facts
Don't forget he's the first mortal after vegeta to survive the energy of destruction by toppo and sidra
Disagree he doesn’t know about hits time leap or assassin mode
@@blakewagner2895 he doesn't need to , as long as he's way faster than hit ,time skip is meaningless the same way dyspo outclassed hit
And Golden frieza is way faster than dyspo in base
Sean Daniel dyspo was dragging frieza
I don't think its super unrealistic, frieza had a max power level of 120 million with zero training which is kinda bonkers, and while later in the show 120 isnt much anymore it shows the potential of frieza is insane, only balanced out by how lazy he is, he doesnt even fly under his own power usually unless his chair thing is too slow or broken
Personally I think Roshi's power increase is greater. It defiles almost all forms of logic I throw at.
lmao
I'm waiting for frieza to get god ki and go platinum or a transformation like cooler since they are making a lot of things canon now
Diamond Frieza boooiis
His golden form pretty much is god energy right?
Loreli Hunter It looks like it but it was never specifically stated that he obtained god ki, honestly i don't even know how vegeta got god ki. It seems kinda odd that it's something you can gain from training
@@azahroon I honestly think Toriyama just gave vegeta god no because he wanted vegeta to be on the same level as goku. That or the fans just kept bitching about it
Nah keep him gold. I love it
Love seeing you guys collab! I always think about this jump in Frieza’s power too. I like to think Frieza was leaping so high AT FIRST since that was the first time he ever trained in his life, and he plateaued at an area of strength that would now be his average. It’s hard to explain in words, but I don’t think he could leap like that again because he was making up for lost time and just got all his strength at once. He can get stronger still, but at a more steady rate I think.
I imagine it as that too. Just think of a super lanky, out of shape guy. He trains for 2 years and becomes a big body builder, and goes from lifting ~70 lbs to 300 lbs easily. Even if he trains for the next ten or even twenty years, he probably won’t break 400 lbs under the same training method.
Also, Golden form helped Frieza’s power a lot, and is the biggest reason for his jump.
Christian Cinnabars Yes, exactly! This is a really good way of putting it.
Hahahahahahahaha not anymore
Freiza trained in his suppressed form. So would each level of suppression be like a double reverse multiplier. Kind of like his own internal gravity chamber it would be harder to train and grow in power while suppressing all those forms. This he'd get thousands of times the benefits when he stopped suppressing and started to try to transform beyond his limit. The first actual push to assend to a new power level. This if each mode got stronger each mode could have applied a mass push of multipliers once Freiza let go and reach for the new level.
This power skip makes me think how easily they can implement Cooler into canon if they wanted.
It was said back in Z that Frieza is a prodigy and his terror on the universe was a necessary evil and that’s why beerus kept hook alive to do his job
If Frieza had been training for ten years, he could become even stronger than Jiren and Broly.
DARK GIGAN it wouldn’t take ten years bro
@@lewisbloomer1458 And how much would you suggest?
@@ImaginationOmniverse To be honest, I only put ten years because...
I wouldn't want a Broly or a Jiren fanboy to attack me.
The real truth is, if Frieza trained for 10 years he wouldn't even be as strong as Buu, since the entire reason why Frieza was so scared of saiyans was because their power grows at a much faster rate than his does, Frieza was born far more powerful but his rate of increase was nothing compared to a saiyan's which is why Goku was able to beat Frieza despite being nothing to him because Goku kept getting stronger wile they were fighting wile Frieza was actually getting weaker, if he could surpass Goku's 15 years of training in just 4 months then Frieza would have wrecked Goku just by tripling his power in 5 minutes, its strange how most people don't think logically about dragonball super they just accept any bullshit that stupid show throws at us, Roshi is now stronger than Cell in super, and is nearly as strong as Jiren in the manga, when will people stop taking this shit seriously?
@@hyperrunner8531 oOf
Frieza has always been my favorite character. Him & Goku are like yin & yang
Yes it's really weird and funny that Frieza went from Star level in his True Base Form im Namek Saga to universal level in True Base Form after Training For 4 Months.😂😂
then he Got Over 10 Times Stronger after Training His Mind in He!!.
Then He Got Even Stronger Training after The Tournament of power.. in the light novel of the Broly movie it was stated that Golden Frieza was imtially holding his own again Super Saiyan 1 Broly... proving that golden Frieza at that time would have manhandled both Super Saiyan blue Goku and Super Saiyan blue Vegeta by Himself. However Frieza was simply playing it safe he was unsure of what Aces Goku and Vegeta Would Have.
Just imagine how overpowered Frieza would be in an anime adaptation of the Broly movie..
however based on frieza's feats. He is at least Universal +.
It’s my mom’s birthday today. She’s turning 10 years old.
And your not born yet right?
@@marydean8719 10 leap years would be 40 actually
@@allanon3031 oh, thanks for not wooooshing me
at first I got confused, and then I realised the comments here lmao
Been so ready for this video
I don't know, personally I dont mind the power increase. As simple of a reason as it was, the whole "Ive never even trained in my life til now" reason worked fine for me
Well you are not very rational person then.
@@grydon6422 I consider myself a pretty rational person. I'm not going to lose sleep over a cartoon about aliens fighting and any possible thing thats not logical about it lol
@@grydon6422 But hey buddy, I'm the one that's not rational lol..
Id be fine with it too but I hate that it's a retcon tbh
Works for me too. If he was that strong without doing anything
I remember when everyone was complaining that 17 had a "bs power leap." Than you bring up Frieza, and they are like, "oh yeah."
and Broly power leap is even worst 😂 my man went from Base Vegeta to SSB Gogeta in under 2 hours 🤦🏽♂️
@Merciless Freak While I agree, I was pointing out how a good portion of the community complained about 17 but completely ignored Frieza who had a bigger leap in power in a much shorter time frame.
@@hecantguardme15 hes a fucking mutant? His power is literally un natural even his forms are mutated?
I have a question Geekdom, if you could so kindly make a video perhaps on the answer if you have any insight please. During Dragonball Z when Goku and Vegeta fuse using the potora earrings, Why does Vegeta all of a sudden appear too be in his SSJ form, while Goku looks too be in his base? My guess was always that similar too thee other fusion the energies must match the participants, but that don't make sense for Goku too be do powerful in his base over Vegeta that Vegeta must go SSJ?? Always confused me.
Having the realization that frieza one upped everything up to Resurrection F blue goku is just mind blowing,especially considering that he did 4 months of training where as goku trained for years. I can agree with you guys saying he leaped by millions since billions seems a bit unrealistic.
A "bit" is really an understatement lol.
This power leap just made no sense in 4 months to get that strong to be stronger than a surpassed god level saiyan its just BS that came out of the writers ass. A lot of supers fights and that made no sense like for example ssj3 gotenks being beaten by that copy of vegeta in base form. Just bs that makes no sense
Vegetas base form is stronger tho. It's called saiyan beyond god and either way its filler. So it doesnt matter
He learned to hold the golden form by just visualizing goku and his movements with a mental training not even being able to move . I mean why would frieza stop when he knows about beerus and the gods.
I'm glad you're talking about this because I've been saying the exact same thing ever since the return of f movie came out. It's just ridiculous!
"Plot".
My head cannon is that Frieza owns something similar to the Time Chamber maybe not as strong as the one in Earth, but let's say Frieza's variant of this is half as strong, that still leaves plenty of time for frieza to grow decades in a a few weeks
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Head cannons don't count and we can't really support that so how about that Frieza's race can have an amazing potential in power since Frieza was an amazing threat in the Namek Saga and he was the first to reach a power level of 1 million I think if that Frieza might have that excuse but I can't support that either
Frieza never trained before, than when he first trained, his power boosted fast. Because of that people assume that his progress would stay at that rate, however, when you're new at something, which frieza technically was (training to boost power) you naturally progress fast. But after sometime, your progress will level off, an example of that is in the broly movie, frieza says "no matter how much I raise my power level, I can't seem to beat them" I think it implies, he's raised even more since tournament of power, and knows it's not enough. (If you watch "my hero" almight has a good explanation that's credible) if another character has a similar boost, I don't think it will come from frieza next time.
If he trains with Whis. His power would jump because he is this strong without God Ki. Cmon bro....it's basic Dragon Ball
@@dbsstudent7719 yeah but he wouldn't though, that's the point. He's not getting another ridiculous boost.
@@sleven0462 he will the thing is that he is training on his own.
Yup he needs external boost to get stronger
If he can just train for 4 months and be stronger than ssj1, ssj2, ssj3, ssg.
Why was he scared of the legend of super saiyan during the namek arc? I mean, he could just train for a month and easily be stronger than ssj goku.
Frieza power leaped in 4 months. 🤙🏽😎🔥 best antagonist
I think it'd have made more sense to have golden freeza being his god form like ssg to goku rather than a 4 months baseless power up imo.
I mean, god ki had so much potential but we only saw a bunch of not-gods using it (like goku or toppo), golden freeza was the perfect opportunity
Remember frieza also knew what planet to go train in. So there is a planet that he can achieve that leap.
What if you
Wanted to become the strongest man
But Frieza said
*Give me 4 months*
its pretty nuts isnt it/
That's Dragon Ball for you
The line that Beerus made about Goku not being stronger than Freeza could have been from Goku not being powered up.
Just imagine if he trained with Goku and Vegeta. Dude would easily be the strongest character in DragonBall. That's why they never have him train anymore. It would mess the whole anime up.
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Next leap year video: how super saiyan marillo is the strongest form ever based on pan destroying every god of destruction simultaneously by glancing at them using the same technique goku used on namek to make a hole to bury vegeta in :)
Yeah thats the thing when someone's naturally strong and never trained. I mean if you were someone who was already stronger than most other beings you know then what's the point to get stronger right? Until you met the one being that surpassed you.
it’s just weird though. The gap between a namek saga being and a god level being should be impossible to gain in 4 months...unless god ki isn’t all it’s been made to be
@@lightinstinct707 nah it's possible bc he is giving alot of money to toei... we all know that, is just poor writing for the sake of money and they could do in a better way but they (Toryama) didn't care ...
The real truth is, if Frieza trained for 10 years he wouldn't even be as strong as Buu, since the entire reason why Frieza was so scared of saiyans was because their power grows at a much faster rate than his does, Frieza was born far more powerful but his rate of increase was nothing compared to a saiyan's which is why Goku was able to beat Frieza despite being nothing to him because Goku kept getting stronger wile they were fighting wile Frieza was actually getting weaker, if he could surpass Goku's 15 years of training in just 4 months then Frieza would have wrecked Goku just by tripling his power in 5 minutes, its strange how most people don't think logically about dragonball super they just accept any bullshit that stupid show throws at us, Roshi is now stronger than Cell in super, and is nearly as strong as Jiren in the manga, when will people use their head for a moment and stop taking this shit seriously?
AIZEN MBT Ah you’re right i forgot Toriyama has magically power increasing handjobs for everyone
Frieza destroyed the Saiyans soley because of his fear of the legend of the Super Saiyan. The Saiyans (before Broly's inclusion) were no where near Frieza's power. Even in his first form. so why would Frieza worry if the Saiyans won't compare to him anytime soon? The Saiyans don't even train since they are only judged by there power by birth and sticked with it. Which is why Vegeta believed there was no way a Low Class Saiyan could pass an elite.
Goku didn't get stronger as he fights. If it were the case then he wouldn't have struggled so much against Vegeta, Frieza, Cell, and even Buu as the fight progresses. He would've overtaken them as time goes by.While Goku did surpassed Frieza when he transformed, Frieza's 100% was draining him while the fight was going. Not so much as Goku getting stronger.
Also about Roshi, he isn't even near Cell's level. You see the idea was that since Roshi's an experienced fighter he can read his opponents movements and since Jiren's attacks were straight forward (plus Jiren holding back) he was able to dodge it. (Yes I know it's stupid to have Roshi doing it against Jiren in the manga. Which is why I liked the anime better)
Frieza: "HOW DARE YOU MAKE ME EXERT MYSELF...!"
What didn’t make any since is how Frieza say he never trained a day in his life but how did he learn how to fight or control his Ki
Same as Saiyans. They just instinctually knew how to do it. Freezer also was adept at instant learning shown by his learning death pizza without effort.
50k3r2 no saiyans trained. What are you saying. They train everyday
@@education654321 1. I pity the fool.
Not quite what I meant but easy to mistake. Saiyans were instinctually adept at ki manipulation unlike Humans.
50k3r2 they had to train to get there ki because goku as a kid didn’t know how to until he started training
@@education654321 vegeta saw it one time and was able to sense ki
Goku just better be glad Freiza didn't take him up on that offer to "go get stronger then come fight me again" cuz it woulda been a wrap for ol Kakarot
It wouldn't, in reality Frieza would not catch Goku even with 10 years of training unless he trains longer and harder, Super gave Frieza a stupidly nonsensical boost for the sake of plot and nostalgia marketing only, not based on logic, originally Frieza's ability to grow his power is vastly slower than Goku's and any saiyan's which is the central core plot to the whole Frieza saga which is that Frieza was afraid of the saiyans potential to surpass him because they have the ability to grow their power much faster than he does despite him being born far more powerful, if Frieza could get 100,000x stronger in just 4 months of playing with a weak foot soldier then he would never have to worry about the saiyans ever because he could just triple his power in 5 minutes from just flying alone or simply utilizing his ki, but as you can see, the whole reason why Goku beat Frieza despite Goku at first being nothing compared to Frieza to suddenly being stronger than him is because Goku being a saiyan was able to get much stronger wile he was fighting which Frieza started to regret since him toying with Goku was that allowed Goku's strength to develop so much, Frieza even reached his max and started to gain the advantage but Goku just kept getting stronger wile Frieza was actually getting weaker, so in reality Frieza would have had to have been training the whole 15 years with Cell and using gravity training to reach near to Buu let alone above.
@@hyperrunner8531 it makes sense that training would give him plenty power. He never trained his whole life and was already at like 2 million. A saiyan neva reached that without training. So I'm guessing they tryna say the DNA of Friezas race is superior which would make sense sense that naturally way out of there leauge. They probably just naturally lazy. Where saiyans are naturally active. So it balances out
@@incognegro7 It does not make sense because the level you are born at is a completely different thing to how fast you increase your level, Vegeta was born like hundreds of times stronger than Goku, but Goku seems to grow stronger at a faster rate, you didn't listen, birth power and rate of increase are 2 completely different things, if Frieza could get so strong so quickly he would never worry about the saiyans the whole nonsense in DBS just contradicts the entire theme of the Frieza saga, the saiyans were weaker but they grew faster than Frieza which Frieza feared which is why he tried to get rid of them.
To think that Meggy's Destiny aired on the very same day as the explanation on one of the biggest power leaps in Dragon Ball did...
Ain't that wacky?
freiza is like one of those bodybuilders who say they reached peak human physique in 4 months
I'm pretty sure that frieza was stated to be a mutant so that would explain how he gain that much power in such a short amount of time I'm not sure if it's true tho
Basically god ki is not special at all
Golden Frieza outmatched dyspo in base form and was toying with him in final form unlike hit who was struggling and couldn't keep up to his speed , not to mention that he survived broly for an hour the thing that goku and vegeta blue couldn't do .
Also he's the first mortal in dbs who survived the energy of destruction by both toppo and sidra
True frieza is stronger than hit and 17 which means he's pretty strong
Seemed less like a power leap and more like an asspull, but super did completely butcher power scaling anyway... So yeah.
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They should because nobody is worthless. They can't just revive frieza and make him a joke.
Oh its lovely to see an upload from you Sir.
I liked this discussion. To me I think it would be interesting also contemplating the multiplier of final form to golden. From what I can tell, you could say final form frieza is equal to base Goku. Going from there if ss3 is base x400, SSG is vastly Superior to that and SSB should technically be x50 of whatever SSG is, what could possibly be the multiplier on golden form??
I still have a hard time believing Frieza never ONCE trained a day in his life!
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He never did it fits his character really before the namek saga no one ever beaten Frieza no one has ever beaten him we'v seen character like Bardock who tries to kill 1st form Frieza fail and King Vegeta also failed as well so really he's not afraid of anything he's pretty cocky and people who faced against him and died proved that
@@75JUNAKI We have been given no reason to believe Frieza never trained. He seems experienced in martial arts and has the ability to concentrate his power in a way that's on an expert level. Also I remember him maybe mentioning training with his father during his fight against Goku. Seems like this whole thing was retconned, another bullshit plot element from Super to excuse their lazy writing
@@incognito4971 That's really stretching it for me. It never not will.
Watching this while I hide from the Friezing cold.
Bro black frieza two years later from when this video was posted he jumped three arks again for the lol's
If he trained with Whis or in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber like hell, I *strongly* believe that he could *theoretically* eventually catch up Ultra Instinct Goku or Jiren.
@@vegetalover9297 Probably. You have to realize that he catched up SSJB Kaioken Goku, post Goku Black through just mental training. Weirdly enough, he hasn't even achieved a God form. If he could train hard in his Golden form for longer periods of time, he wouldn't ever run out of power again.
@@warwick802 maybe he doesnt have a god form, its probably just a saiyan thing, the humans cant do it
@@belle4107 no! I agree
The first time I ever heard the line "it seems impossible for you to defeat Frieza as you are now" was in the Battle of Gods movie. Now I don't know if it's different in the sub but, in the dub he absolutely did say that. Also the Resurrection F arc dialogue was a lot closer to the movie than Battle of Gods when they redubbed it.
The main thing that msde sense on this for me the fact he said in anime atleast as i remember. That he had never trained a day in his life. He was just that strong throughout all his forms in namek saga. So it gets away with it for me xD
Chris Toph even then the difference in strength for just four months is ridiculous. He would literally one shot everyone in Z
But then he would have trained at least like a month before coming to earth in his robot form. He would have been as strong as cell probably.
Vorile DeWise He didn’t train then because he believed that Super Saiyan was the height of their power, and his Mecha enhancements boosted him over Namek Saga SSJ Goku. He didn’t take into account Goku gaining even more power or Trunks, which lead to him getting killed in either timeline.
Wasnt it implied multiple times that he trained during his arc? One referencing something with king cold and the other with the lightning?
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The most bullshit power leap in DB history how you go from getting beat by an entry level super saiyan to god level? Ridiculous.
you must've skipped the Broly movie
@@hecantguardme15 you're right they took broly from unable to land a blow on base form vegeta to "he might even be stronger than beerus" in a fight that was probably 10 minutes smh that's a bunch a BS too!
I mean goku did it 😂
@@matthewceron7876 When?
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Especially when his training method was beating up niggas Yamcha could slap for a few months.
Bro major damn props for that intro. Actually thought this whole video was creative
Broly, Frieza, and Gohan have the highest potentials in the entire series. if any of them actually got serious about training on the intensity and frequency that Goku&Vegeta do they would easily be God of Destruction tier of higher. (Kefla might also have some of this potential. don't attack me)
What about hit bro? This guy evolved faster than gohan and frieza
Saiyan Hype i don't think Hit actually evolved he stayed about the same. he just wasn't used to fighting with the limitations of the tournament.
@@arian8993 yeah, but Hit has time skip. Which if you think about it, is potentially the most broken thing in dragon Ball aside from ultra instinct. Hit can just use time skip on himself and get a year's worth of training in an instant. It's better than the hyperbolic time chamber.
You should do a video on the two fusions of Bardock and Goku. What would they be called? Barku? Godock?
Android 17 had a pretty good power leap as well
He did but not as great as Frieza
Vegeta knows all of this cause that’s his main reason to keep training. When we see Goku and vegeta sparring and whis asks why train. Vegeta says because friezia is alive again and he’s worried if Frieza gets a new form.
Imagine for the next DBS movie we get T.O.P 2 with Broly and Majin Buu in it this time. 🤔
Goten & trunks to nd maybe future trunks ssg for good fun
same outcome .. idk why people want this lol it would just make it more impossible for any other universe to win
@@hecantguardme15 lls truth they goin hafta fight the Angel's or sumn eh put it in heroes
@@jeremyhart557 Gotenks would be awesome but I think they're still to childish for a T.O.P
@@hecantguardme15 I agree with you too but just imagine it for a future movie or series you know.
I think Goku's base by the Buu saga was around his Ssj self during the Android saga which I think should be at least more than twice as powerful as his Ssj self on namek since he was roughly as (possible more powerful than Future Trunks who killed a more powerful frieza and King Cold with no issue) so at least 300 million PL or more. X 400 for Ssj 3 = 120 billion at least. The fusions increase seems to change but it was said that base vegito is more powerful than Ssj 3 Goku during the Buu saga, so another 400 X increase = 48 trillion. Goku's body absorb the God energy into his base to the point where his Ssj self is still fighting Beerus which during the Resurrection F is at least equal to that or more. So base Goku = roughly 48 trillion, still can turn Ssj God which even if its not the same increase in power as the 1st time would still be a power increase of a few thousands (say 3000) = Ssj God Goku being 144 Quadrillion during the Resurrection F. Ssj Blue in the anime seems to be roughly a 10 times increase (manga) meaning Ssj Blue Goku during Resurrection F arc PL is 1.44 Quintillion on a very low ball with many things suggesting that the PL of Ssj Blue Goku being much higher. Fun fact during the film it was said that Golden Frieza's PL at that time was 100 Quintillion (Thats a 1 with 20 zeros behind it).
Freeza has a lot of potential and never trained. So him skipping all of Z to get stronger in 4 months and Beerus saying Goku is too weak to have beaten Freeza makes a lot of sense.
It doesn't. He was terribly scared of saiyans, in fact he feared them so much that he had to blow up their planet. Couldn't he just train a little? Why did he had to kill so many warriors willing to fight for him?
And also Mecha-Frieza... Two days of training would have been enough to reach perfect Cell level. But he HAD to go straight to the Earth, didn't he?
And also... He's currently alive, what's stopping him from training for another month and reach Beerus level?
The only reason he's not becoming even stronger is because he would be an inconvenience to the plot.
Luciano Francesco thats a good point. The only reason he trained to beat goku was convenient to the plot.
@@lucianofrancesco4742 All true. I would accept if he absorbed some Demon/Devil energy during his time in hell and that's how he became stronger. Instead he trained 4 months with a foot soldier
@Luciano Francesco see that’s where you’re wrong. Freeza had people who were way stronger than Vegeta, Nappa and Radditz. He didn’t even know about Goku and Gohan. But as long as he saw their power levels as a .00010th of his actual power level, he didn’t fear them. He feared the legend. But he ain’t care about the saiyans.
Also. Mecha Freeza’s powers were enhanced. He didn’t know Goku did hella training. That was more of a “I’m the reason i lost” kind of deal. Like in madden when people mess up and say it’s their fault but they’re actually just trash. Freeza had to figure that out.
@@RobertLoyale Yeah, he feared the legend, that's why he killed millions of saiyans. Where was I wrong? He chose to kill valuable soldiers when he could have just done some squats maybe 2 times a week and become as powerful as Majin Buu.
It's still stupid and you didn't addressed my point.
Honestly, when you think about it frieza leaping in power isnt so hard to believe. Frieza isnt human , neither is are any of the villains in DBZ. The main cast in DBZ are essentially mortals with the exception of the androids, Buu and the saiyans(which physiologically are closest related to human). The main villains through the series have never trained yet they were leaps and bounds stronger than a super saiyan. With that being said, humans are relatively weak compared to other aliens races being born with extremely low power levels and low potential. Human training is a mortal aspect....in which never really applies to aliens. Aliens atleast in the DBZ universe are already psychologically superior to humans which is why frieza never trains and I'm pretty sure other aliens species dont either. The only exception to the rules are saiyans because they do not have a capped potential like humans and other alien species. Saiyans have a innate ability to adapt and progress in strength overtime. Sure, they arent born with extremely high power levels like other species however this gift is what makes saiyans so special. For example, bears have the strength to be able to lift cars and top out at speeds of 50mph(Do you ever see bears at the gym). Humans can train all there lives and never come close to these stats. The humans in DBZ, sure are able to do incredible things but at the end of the day they are physiologically unable to to be as strong as a super saiyan due to max physiological potential. Saiyans dont have this issue, they can get stronger without limitations which is why frieza saw saiyans as a threat to his being.
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Frieza: “ If I train in earnest for the next 4 months, yes I could reach a power level of 1.3 million.
That is comical, but jokes aside, Frieza’s Self Improvement is infinitely greater than he was in Z Sagas(Namek - beginning of Android Arc). In the original Z, King Kai said Mecha Frieza’s Supernova attack was 10x greater than the Death Ball on Namek he used against Goku. That Supernova attack is in the billions, and SSJ Trunks lifted the Supernova with 1 arm. And Goku tanks Trunks Sword(Trunks’s Strength + the Sword itself) with 1 finger in his SSJ form. Not to mentioned Goku as a Saiyan endured tremendous amounts of pain from the Kaiokenx20 and 50% Frieza almost killing him. So Goku as a Saiyan after the battle with Frieza in Base Form would be greater than or equal to 50% Frieza + that Base Amplification( Piccolo said to Gero if he absorbed all his energy, it wouldn’t matter), Goku talked about this with Ginyu and stated a 180,000 Kaioken is nothing compared to the power he puts out in small bursts. Followed up with a year of training and combining the Base Amp Power with the Standard Super Saiyan at will, Super Saiyan is substantially a higher multiplier than 50x before the mastery of Super Saiyan. Goku’s Base Form in the Android Arc is already in the high millions. Goku said Babidi’s magic power was 1000 weaker than Buu. Pikkon one shotted Frieza and his father and Super Perfect Cell(Even if Cell was suppressed, he is still far stronger than Full Power Perfect Cell, Pikkon’s speed was like a blur to Goku, Cell, Frieza and King Cold.) He knocked out Super Perfect Cell with his weights on with one shot, Cell is a guy who off guard and is in deep thought while praising his Perfect self, could tank a Destructo Disc from a pissed off Krillin. Goku in Base Form after training was stronger than weighted Pikkon. And yes he is cannon just like the other Kais King Kai mentioned in Super about how they were laughing at him for still being dead. So Base Goku before the tournament is stronger than Super Perfect Cell.
I believe he was speaking of his first form being 1.3 million
Yes he was talking about his First Form. But between his First Form - Final Form was only 530,000 - 120,000,000. Sorbet told Frieza, Goku defeated Majin Buu(a being whom his father said never to challenge). Frieza deduced that in 4 months, his first form’s power could reach 1.3 million. Now doing the calculations, 120,000,000(Final Form) divided by 530,000 is 226.425094. You times that multiplier by 1.3 million(1,300,000), your answer is 294,339,623. Frieza believes with this power boost, he can kill Goku who beat Majin Buu. So he is saying Buu is weaker than how strong he would have been if his final form’s power increased over twice as much as it was on Namek.
I think the biggest power increase that nobody talks about is Android 17 last time we saw him Piccolo and Cell first form gave him problems now he can go toe to toe with SSB and possibly beat Golden Frieza.. That’s probably the biggest jump to me
Broly leap was more and Broly did it in a few minutes
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I always wondered why they just give people random power ups now. In the manga it’s much more understandable but in the anime I never understood how even Android 17 could be close to gods considering Lord Beerus said god ki was a level no one could reach with normal training but I guess Potential>God Ki now
Broly had the biggest LEAP
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I honestly think that Broly has the biggest leap in power in the series.
Caleb Barmes How? His power grows through anger. And we literally just got introduced to him
Lucifers Child I mean you kinda just answered your own question. The angrier he gets and the more he fights, the stronger he gets. Does it matter that we just saw him for the first time? Not really because He went from getting demolished by base Vegeta to taking hits from SSB Gogeta.
Caleb Barmes But thats his whole thing. His power never leaped. His potential was always there. If he fought Vegeta and goku just a day before hewould still become that powerful.
Lucifers Child exactly, he had the potential, he had the potential to make the leap in power that he did. By fighting Vegeta and Goku he got insanely stronger. If he fought anyone weaker, then he wouldn’t have been as strong. He went from being ~10,000 on Vampa which is stated in the movie to competing with post tournament of power ssb gogeta, Geekdom101 agrees in his video “ top 5 characters with highest potential.” He’s literally the legendary super Saiyan so he gets ridiculous ass zenkai boosts in the middle of the fight
And do you think that Frieza has the largest leap?
Imagine going from Star level to multi universal in 4 months
Broly's was way crazier, and it was all on screen too
Honestly. Broly went from below base vegeta to gogeta ssj blue. And only took hours. That's insane
right Broly's leaps was INSANE
He leaped forged super saiyans 1 to 3 in power . That's crazy .
His species is impressive
Its not his species, he's just a mutant of his species, he was born powerful but this bullshit super has done has completely disgraced the entire story of DBZ, which is that Frieza destroyed planet Vegeta because he was scared of the saiyans potential to one day surpass him because the saiyans grow in strength far quicker than Frieza does with every fight which is the whole reason he was so worried about them, if he could get a hundred thousand times stronger in 4 months of playing with a foot soldier then he would never be worried about the saiyans in the least bit because he would triple his power just by simply using his ki for a few minutes, super doesn't care about logic, they will make anyone a million times stronger in one day just because they want to use them for the plot, Roshi is literally close to jiren level in the manga, the logic of super is, if you train for 5 minutes, you can become a god lol.
@@hyperrunner8531 he was a lazy dude. Who didn't wanted to do a job.
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The line whenBeerus questions Goku being able to beat Frieza in his base form was in both the movie and tv version
The only thing that makes sense is that when Frieza first uses his golden form it must be a 1,000,000 times multiplier but his body can’t handle that boost so when he dies and is in hell again he trains his regular body so when he uses his golden form the next time, the multiplier is much less.