Great video Matthew! I think a lot of ppl will dislike the X Elite based on it's short term faults. If it's adopted well and Qualcomm figures outs it's legal battle with Arm, it'll definitely mature. I think it's a borderline good laptop. It does what it's supposed to do and that is to be an efficiency machine. Your review and conclusion is the best out there. If you use your laptop with what's seen in your review, it's a good buy, anything else, just may have to wait or see future AMD or Intel offerings. To me it doesn't really blow out even current AMD and Intel offerings, but there's nothing to hate on the X Elite as some other folks may blast it on. That said, I'd like to see you do the unplugged tests with the upcoming AMD and Intel products or just a head to head battle altogether by the end of this year. Oh and of course maybe make note of tdp and Wh as many laptop vendors decide this just so viewers are aware. Then again most idle and regular battery use time should be similar unless the laptop vendor royally screws it up
Good option for console gamers or those people who do not game at all (yes they exist). The battery life seems closer to M1 Pro level than M3 Pro level. Still a huge improvement and significantly lower price than a new MacBook.
@@MatthewMonizI love the sticker lore with this channel. That and the few times you used to say “pound” “this thing pounds” when reviewing laptops me and my friends used to crack jokes 😂
Thank you so much for testing WOW, Matthew. Was it the x85 app? So it means MAC has is better, as the Client is compiled for arm64, so its quicker on Macos with M2 then with the Snapdragon anbd i can play like 2 hours Wow on battery until the 13‘ Macbook pro dies ;)
AMD & Intel just took a deep sigh of relief. The gaming industry is still in their control. Same for other X86 software that doesn't run well through an emulator software.
Arm never did well with gaming we all knew that lol. The only people claiming arm is going to make x86 dead are apple fanboys hyping up their architecture for no damn reason😭
@@elalemanpaisa they need "more RAM", is this because they may require multiple instructions to correspond to one CISC? Or did you mean that Prism uses extra RAM?
@@RichWithTech the former with which are exactly right. Actually that was the reason why ARM failed 30 years ago because ram was so slow and the CPUs werte starving which isn't a problem much anymore. Arm does work well in low performance devices however if you stress your device batterylife might even be worse. We will see where we are in 5 years. Intel moving to more advanced notes and bigLittle designs might be keep Arm on their toes for while
I think people in comments are forgetting that screen is 15.6" with 3K resolution OLED panel with 120hz Refresh rate, not with 60 Hz and with 1080 or 1440p screen. Factor in these differences and you will get your result.
Yes exactly. To really compare the difference, you would need otherwise identical laptops that come with Intel or Qualcomm chips. I don't think the other integrated graphics options would do much better.
Agree with your comment! Though I think that in his tests he does lower acreen refresh rate to 60hz. At least that's what I see in most battery benchmarks.
@@cynicist8114 maybe comparing macbook air with LCD surface will be close enough but same specs with ram and SSD will make the macbook way more expensive than any other snapdragon laptop
So drop it to 60 Hz, OLED should be more efficient, and the MacBooks are not usually 1440P, they’re closer to 3K. If they can’t get up near 18 Hours on Battery, then it is a good improvement, but not as good as the MacBook. To be fair, the lower end MacBook can only manage about 18 TOPs with the NPU and the base on this is somewhere around 40 TOPs.
Note for light workloads the display has an equally important impact as SoC The Zenbook 14 (Ultra 7 155H) has a 14" 2880x1800 120Hz OLED (with a 75WHr battery) The Vivobook S 15 (X Elite X1E 78) has a 15.6" 2880x1800 120Hz OLED (with a 70WHr battery) The Vivobook S 14 (Ultra 9 185H) has a 14" 1920x1200 60Hz OLED (with a 75WHr battery) The Ultra 9 185H vs Ultra 7 155H should have almost negligible difference in efficiency, the difference is the displays Hence the Vivobook S 14/Ultra 9 185H has the longest battery life because it has a larger 7% larger battery and a smaller display that's less power hungry (lower resolution & frame rate) The Zenbook 14 vs Vivobook S 15 is the fairer comparison due to the display specs The Vivobook S 15/X Elite has about 32% longer battery life despite the slightly larger display & slightly smaller battery
A fairer comparison would be the Samsung SDx 16 inch versus the Samsung Intel 16 inch with nvidia 40 series GPU. The Intel should only have a slight disadvantage after optimus shutting off the Nvidia GPU in light workloads. Samsung claims the same 22 hrs battery life but the SDx version uses a smaller 62WHr battery versus 74WHr on the Intel. If proven to be representative, then that gives the SDx about 20% battery life advantage.
Very bad, actually. Barely competes against last gen AMD or even Intel, what was Microsoft thinking going Qualcomm and ARM? Total miscalculation, could have gone AMD and had more TOPS and console like performance.
These Snapdragon Windows machines feel like running a beta, even though it’s a release version. A lot of things just don’t work or they run sluggishly. It doesn’t pay to be an early adopter for this since there’s hardly any native ARM software. I’d check back in a year to see if things have improved.
2:31 wait what’s the point if its battery life is not even better than Intel? Why buy into this ARM laptop if battery life is poor? This is dead on arrival.
Exactly. I like his reviews. He's one of my favorites. But I believe he got it wrong here. I believe this PC is meant for productivity rather than gaming.
@@nakdickson The point of the gaming was to show app incompatibility which I summarize at the end of the video. Yes, its not a gaming laptop but Qualcomm made a big deal about gaming and its important we point it out. But yes if you live in a world where apps are optimized for ARM you'll love this thing.
That's a bit dishonest in itself as they marketed that it can play games. They've even made a feature for 'AI' upscaling for gaming so to say they don't want ppl to play games on the X Elite is kinda absurd considering Windows is the OS to play games (or at least use to). 'Gaming' by your terms may not be Cyberpunk or Helldivers but the top percent of the most played games like WoW, LoL, Valorant, CS2, Dota, Overwatch, any e-sport game should be really good, also considering you have a 120hz screen, I'm sure QC would want a share of the average PC gaming market if it can
2:28 So the battery is worse than the intel ultra 9 ?? I'm not sure if I should be disappointed by Snapdragon or be impressed by Intel. Edit: The Ultra 9 laptop has 7% larger battery along with a low powered 60Hz 1200p 14inch display meanwhile the Snapdragon laptop has a 120 Hz 3K display. Great video by Matthew as always, thou I wish he had cleared this in the video.
That's the 1st thing I noticed!?! I thought that was supposed to be the main point of these new chips!? I just bought an asus with the ultra core 7 and it lasts me all day with only charging it to 80% in the morning so I'm super happy with this new Intel chip rn, but I thought snapdragon was supposed to get like 20 hours or something like that?
TBH very unimpressive. Comparable performance to existing MTL and Zen 4 laptops (Minus the impressive R24 MT score. No ST score?). Battery life worse than the 185H. LNL/ARL and Zen 5 are launching shortly and don't have the translation layer performance penalties.
It’s beyond build quality and specs. It’s their *worst in the world customer service* that you should consider before buying. Thank me later if I saved you.
Most of us know Qualcomm was trying to get their Elite chip out in the field early. They know Intel and AMD are going to be releasing very capable chips in the fall and into the beginning of next year. My take is that the Elite chip is pretty decent right now but will become roadkill as we cruise into the latter part of this year.
Agreed. Strix Point and likely Lunar Lake will be faster with comparable or not far behind battery life. Not to mention the performance of the X Elite's iGPU isn't even close to the 780m. That lead will only widen considerably with the new 890m.
Yeah, if Snapdragon struggles to compete with current AMD and Intel on performance and efficiency, then they're going to be DOA when Strix Point and especially Lunar Lake arrive.
@@Son37Lumiere True But at that point 8 Gen 4 will be launched, you might think what's the correlation? Here the iGpu on the XElite is apparent just a Modified Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 Adreno 740 GPU Overclocked with more executors, If Qualcomm moves to Adreno 8 series with the 8 Gen 4 and they used a modified version of that on the XElite Gen 2 it's gonna be a pretty hefty bump Adreno 750 was already 37% faster than the 8 Gen 2 while being more efficient so there's no reason to think why the XElite Gen 2 performed will be nothing short of explosive compared to Gen 1 Source - Geekerwan
@@RyanUniverseZ The X Elite's GPU is about half as fast as the 780m, the 890m is a good 35% faster than the 780m. Plus most games are written for x86 and there is a significant performance penalty using the Windows ARM to x86 emulator. Even if the Adreno 750 on the next updated CPU is 37% faster it will still be much slower. It may compete better with Intel's Arc xe2 on Lunar Lake though, as that GPU (while showing equivalent performance to the 780m in 3dmark) is actually much slower in most real world games.
13hours on a 70whr battery, 15 inch display. that doesn't sound that great right? the surface laptop 15 has like a 66whr battery? lower res, not oled though, so maybe itll be better
3k resolution 240hz oled. Battery seems pretty good to me with that screen eating all that battery. Do the same on a 1080p 60hz, probably 50-80% more battery
@@eduardmc But why do you need to run it at 240hz all the time? The frame rate of motion pictures is at 24hz. 240hz is 10 times of that. It might be useful for competitive gaming but this arm laptop is not good at that.
Why is this review the opposite of D2D review? Dave made it sound like this laptop is the greatest of all time I'm seeing many compromises and deal-breakers
Became Dave2D reviewed it by productivity standards. Not gaming. This guy on the other hand is talking about gaming. Which this pc obviously wasn't geared towards.
@@danishsohail8852 Dave was wrong on value though, you can get laptops with an 8840HS or better for well under $1000, which will give you 90% of the CPU performance of the X Elite and much faster iGPU performance. Only downside is less battery life.
U should mention which x Elite version is it is it 84-100 or 70 series. The compatibility will take atleast a decade to be resolved so my suggestion is unless ur task is natively compiled for arm don't buy arm laptops in 2024 and buy in 2034 bcs it will take atleast a decade to resolve this issue
This is a wrong review bro, This is a MacBook Air competitor, and you're talking about gaming? I want a price to performance comparison between this, MacBook Air and equivalent intel and AMD PC. Most of the target users are students and light users. We want battery life test, and what it's like to use regular business apps. Edited: Seen Dave2D video, and I'm satisfied now. Thank you.
Bro this is their “Elite” chip and it has active cooling. The MacBook Air runs Apples tablet chip and has no fan. The MacBook Air GPU crushes the Elite’s GPU. The MacBook Air running CrossOver is compatible with more Windows games than this Windows chip is compatible with. This is a complete embarrassment. Seek safety in Dave’s video if you must, but this whole marketing hype was a dud. If the Elite is supposed to be a base M competitor, than what is the Plus competing with? A Phone CPU? 😂
I know, it’s super weird. “I bought a new bicycle - but I’m really unhappy with it because it’s not a Ferrari!” For the millions of students who just need a laptop to do college work with, this is a vast implement over an x86 laptop.
@@les_crow Ferrari stuff? This is the "Elite" series in their laptop chip line up. They have a "Plus" version below that. All we are asking is for them to keep up. M4 is a tablet fanless chip, not a Ferrari and it beats this Elite that has a cooler.. M3 Pro destroys this thing and is a mid range chip, not a Ferrari. M3 Max is is upper midrange not a Ferrari and it seems Qualcomm is a decade behind that. M2 Ultra is the Ferrari. Qualcomm is getting beaten by all 4 levels of Apple Silicon, on Qualcomms highest end chip they can produce. Qualcomm had a decade head start and they still bring this to market with a 50% battery life hit on x86 emulation and terrible x86 app and game compatibility. Apple launched M1 with no battery life hit and near 100% compatibility with x86 Mac apps. DOn't need a Ferrari.. they had a huge head start, just asking the bare minimum to keep up with a tablet chip on their highest tier laptop chip. Asking that Mustang beat a Ford Fiesta. But I guess that is too much to ask.
Thanks for the early review! So for me, not interested in this architecture for gaming. But what disappoints me the most is battery life.... only 12 hours? If it's on par with meteorlake, then lunarlake will kill this.... and if it's no better than x86 with battery life, then what's the point? Looks like it's best not to be an early adopter. My next laptop is looking to be a macbook air with m4 when it launches, or I may still give Lunar Lake a chance.
@@ocvjw8734 Not sure what generation or config that is that you are using, but I get about 7-8 hours currently with my intel gen 13 laptop. In this review here, he shows meteorlake getting 12-13 hour which is on par with what i've read with other reviews and make sense based on what i'm getting on intel gen 13. So i have no idea what you're using, but that sounds like only your config.
@brianclarke8503 I was using a galaxy book 3 pro with Intel Core i7 13th gen. Only on a very dim screen with mainly streaming audio I could get around the 7 hour mark. (It was advertised to 13-14 hours) I did gift a new dell with the core ultra processor to family, maybe its better there. But at this point I'm done with x86.
Btw no laptop company has accurate battery life estimations, including Apple. These companies purposely lower the brightness all the way down and do light task so they can technically claim it can last those hours, but in real life use, it probably only last half the time they claim🤷♂️
This is when people eat all the marketing bullshit.. it's required 12 power cores to catch up with Apple 4 power cores (basic M series), and since the Windows is multitasking OS, and each app use one core, you can rapidly use 7-8 power cores.. which will ALWAY use more power like the 4 power cores and 4 efficiency cores.. (not to mention the fan noise, so it's still hotter like the fanless Macbook, which also a hint for more power consumption..)
It's can't even play properly smaller games.. so what do you expect..? The baldurs gate 3 is barely run at 1080p@30fps, and they obviously showed the non throttling phase, and that is not really a graphics heavy game..
that would be great as those games is relatively capable running with iGPU only. also, I'm curious how's the translation layer will impact game's performance. Because from Dave2D review, at least, there's noticeable -10% performance penalty when running app with translation layer vs with native ARM build.
It has been overly hyped. It's not a game-changer; it's more like a new chip that falls short of expectations. However, having competition is beneficial for us as consumers.
Unless it creates a split in the developer world because software now needs another code path for another cpu architecture that increases development costs, and resources spent on getting it to work on this 3rd entrant could be better spent optimising performance on the other established CPU+GPU architectures that the majority already use...
it is game chagner for battery and heat when it comes ot window laptops if you have used them before, and once devlopers start to develop more software for arm, yeah othere windows laptops better watch out.
Biggest myth ever is that ARM is more efficient. This has been debunked by a study done at Wisconsin University back in 2013. ARM has no inherent advantage. It was always the OS, and AMD and Intel have improved the efficiency of their x86 chips a lot. Both upcoming Strix/Kraken Point (AMD) and Lunar Lake (Intel) should have very similar battery life as well.
@@SirMolol which study is that? Can you share? x86 carries decades of legacy garbage that makes it very complex to control and manage idle and active power. Its widely known among micro architects, cpus built on arm isa are easier to optimize for PPA. Software compatibility may or may not come for ARM but these facts dont change.
Gaming on Mac might actually be better than this. An M1 Pro plus Wine and Rosetta will run a lot of windows games, and there are a few that run natively on macOS. Plus the GPU on even the base M1 seems faster than the GPU in this.
I just recently bought the vivobook s15 2024, just the ryzen 7 8845hs version... I make a quick review just for you guys to know... good points: -The keyboard is really confortable for typing, I can't miss a thing. -The trackpad is huge. -The screen is the best I've ever had, and the 120hz make the difference. -the performarce is great, not laggy at all. -the battery is decent, performs for 7/8 of constant no stop use if you multitask. Browsing and media consuming at 120hz and screen at max brightness. -the camera is good. -the weight is perfect and all the computer feels like a solid piece. -myasus software has good things to setup, even mic deactivation Bad points: -The trackpad is mechanic and it feels weird when you click it sometimes, for a notebook of this price should be haptic. -The keyboard despite being good for typing the material feels sticky and somehow plastic. -the copilot button doesn't even open the app lol (but maybe thats something that can be changed in the configuration) -the grey colour laptop feels cheapier than the blue one, if you can get that one. -the battery is not as good as they claim I just hope it doesn't deteriorate bad with time. -the sound has good quality, but not with music. Overall a good pc, I picked at 989 euros.
LOL, how it it possible that Apple can make Windows 11 ARM run better on M3 chips and Windows games trough Game Porting Toolkit 2 at high to ultra settings, and Microsoft can't emulate their own services and techology since Windows RT on ARM? :))) This makes me laugh in here. Developers will not make ARM software, because Windows 11 ARM is just an option unused in the Microsoft universe, unlike Apple that moved completely on ARM including developers.
I'm using my Surface Pro X with my Epson Printer/Scanner and Sony MiniDisc from 2002. Which is extremely old. All work without issue. I can even use the OEM Scanner software (but not OEM printer drivers, Windows ones are as good).
Nice fair review. I know Macbook Airs screens are LCD but they seem to be very nice with high resolution. Also they are 60hz but I think it's a fair trade off for having excellent speakers, no fans and great build quality.
@@thenubianspeaks4329 had a few airs, the only one that ever got warm was the Intel i3 I had in 2019. M1, 2, 3 stay cool at all times from everything I've heard and read. My M1 has never gotten warm even.
How do you figure, battery and heat is just about as good as the macbook. and plus the new 15 inch macbook air gets hot as hell. sorry, they die mot fail by much, and not losing power on battery just like the Mac is phenomenal, and if you use a windows computer you should kmow that. I like the Mac too very much, but you just sound like resentful Mac user
@@thenubianspeaks4329 I am not a mac user. I was, I quit. Bought a PC and use Linux. If I'm ever buying a laptop again, it will be MacBook. Windows sux no matter what CPU you use, Linux usually has problems with laptops unless you explicitly buy one that has official support for it which severely limits your choice. I'm just done with the laptops altogether, but still, nothing comes even close to what MacBook offers
Still getting an X Elite powered laptop for my next one. I'm done with intel's incremental updates. They only "redesign" their chips when there's competition around the corner. So, I'm moving to other SOCs.
Windows still has a lead in pc market share. Going fully ARM will expedite the app architecture switch as developers now have to make apps for ARM because Windows runs on ARM and even if x86 co exits along with ARM Windows users get the choice of choosing between ARM for efficiency and x86 for app support. PC can make a strong comeback and go toe to toe with mac once again. Mac users won't be forced to buy non repairable overpriced stuff just for performance and app optimization. This is good for everybody.
If this can’t beat meteor on battery then lunar will be nightmare. And performance being equal to meteor, big pass, especially when lunar will the next game changer. So HX370 will take best cpu on x86 thin&light, lunar will take best battery with decent gain on meteor but not HX370 and will tie with AMD graphics, more or less, better drivers needed. X elite has no place. I guess the big bet on 12 p cores is not enough, AMD is doing 4 zen 5 the rest small zen 5c, lunar 4 big 4 small skymont, and M4 is gonna be scary for X elite, 4 big 6 small, and more or less same score for X elite, with more GPU expected. This gen 4 big seems to be the trend. Basically I will take lunar. Or even the 7840u also very decent, probably about the same price bracket as X elite. M4 unknown quantity atm, and there will be M4promax also. Good luck X1E80100.
8:54 Why ASUS tell me, is there so much wasted space? The battery could be expanded to the right, instead it's filled with plastic and air. There is space for more ports on the left, why not 4 USBs ore more USB-C or DP? I don't believe the soldered Qualcomm WiFi adapter is better than Intel cards, do you have benchmarks to support your claims? Over all Performance of the Laptop (beware performance of the same chip in different Laptops can differ by a lot! see first Ryzen mobile chips from the past) looks decent. that's it. It's obvious that translation layers (x86 -> Arm) will eat up a lot of performance. I'm excited to see the second Iteration though. Buyers Beware: First gen is always a mess, you are a guinea pig and they are running experiments with first gen hardware.
if it can run mc bedrock edition then its enough, other games arent meant to be played on this laptop, it isnt a gaming laptop to begin with, you buy it only for casual use or for non-heavy work and for that amazing battery life
I'm getting tired of the "it won't work with..." statements. WE KNOW THIS!!!! This is cutting edge technology, so the inclusion of other features and capabilities will come in time. DUH!
Not interested in any snapdragon x elite windows laptops, it almost guarantees the things other than CPU GPU and WiFi devices (for example, weird keyboard layout, fingerprint reader, fan controller) not working properly with other operating systems. I’m waiting for the TUXEDO version, which guarantees almost 100% everything will work on whatever systems I will be using.
I agree, but im afraid because of the early hype, most people will saw it as a disappointment and not a decent, but still have to work on the next gen harder chip.
It's already like their 4th try with laptops. They had the Snapdragon 7c Gen 2, Snapdragon 7c+ Gen 3, Snapdragon 8cx, all of which had versions that were on actual laptops running Windows 10/11 and not chromebooks running ChromeOS.
ARM on windows is overhyped.. Qualcomm did pathetic inflated benchmark slides. IRL the battery is just on par with other x86 PCs and the graphics is among the worst. Not impressed!
Good Lightroom (Photoshop?) test: * AI denoise of photos On my HP Dragonfly 12 gen Intel: 5-13 min On MacBook (M2?): 20 s On PCs with top notch NVIDIA GPUs: 10 s?
The Snapdragon X Elite ARM processor is a disaster for software developers because it does not support popular tools like Windows Git and Python. Even if ARM translation to x86 becomes available in the future, it is still unlikely to outperform Intel CPUs in terms of performance.
with the hardware finally being here, its too bad that Microsoft is continuing turn windows into a steaming pile of garbage. I'm glad that qualcomm is actively working on Linux support and upstreaming drivers, etc into the Kernel. It'll be interesting to see how fast it'll mature on Linux, especially considering Linux applications tend to have better Arm availability.
37db on whisper/silent mode WTF is loud in my opinion. Laptop manufactures don't know hot to build good cooling to make laptop 0db while web-browsing, watching TH-cam 4k, listen music, watch movie at the same time without using fans , I'm disappointed mehh. Counting that mini PC will be better
@@XandexTheMarshanAgreed. For a first gen product it's quite impressive. The ASUS S14 had better battery life (by only 49 mins) in the chart at 2:28 because of a larger battery, lower refresh rate and lower brightness. And software support for ARM on Windows is only going to increase from now... I wonder how the test will look like in 4-5 months from now.
They dramatically oversold the gaming capability of this chip and that's disappointing. Whelp, here's to hoping they can iterate their way into parity with other iGPU manufacturers or maybe exceed them someday. It'd also be nice if they explored a variant with no fan to compete with the M3 better, but based on Dave's power consumption tests it looks like the Snapdragon isn't quite at power efficiency parity under load.
Yo Matthew! I have a question, if my laptop does not have an Ethernet port and I connect it via USB to Ethernet Adapter Ethernet to USB Adapter for Laptop would it take it in as a usb has connected to it or an Ethernet cable has been connected?😅
This is a misleading comparison when it comes to the battery. For example, under blender do we have the same performance(x86) compared to battery life? It is obvious that with less performance we have a better battery life. The best comparison would be equal performance. I would then just have to lower the power of min X86 to reach the battery life under Arm. Otherwise I see no point in having a longer battery with less performance.
People who seem disappointed chill for a bit This laptop has entry level of x elite Asus promised 19 hrs of battery life Reviews are getting in range of 12 to 14hrs ..[70kwh battery ] Will we waiting for higher version of x elite
I am surprised the cry is about games? Seriously? Microsoft has been comparing it with MBA M3 that can't even run games to begin with. Let's do what we do with Apple. Stick to what the device is targeted at.
Crazy that the M1 Mac can run Windows games tough Parallels better than Windows on Microsoft maschines. How is Apple better at running windows games?? I hope MS gets their ass whopped asap so that they put in more effort
For me, the partial advantages are far too small to compensate for the disadvantages of software emulation. With Linux, it would be a different story, because most applications would be available and therefore could run native on ARM.
It's really sad, for me gaming is the single most important application in a laptop or desktop computer. If my gaming experience is compromised, this windows on arm laptop just becomes a web browsing machine, then I'd just buy an iPad for that matter
The only thing with asus computer the software is own by Microsoft, had a major problem with their computer, the software is lockdown and the only way to get out of that if you wanted to use Google or some other apps you had to get out of S mode and even try to reset the computer it came out that asus tech support didn’t want to support the problem cause the software was own by Microsoft. Ok then I try contacting Microsoft even that was a problem no support over the phone only by email then they ask to send it in. Never will buy an asus computer again.
why people think its going to be perfect on release , its not going to work dude even gaming its not going to work on the first batch let the first batch release on the cropo buildings and then keep working to port or make apps to arm coz i guess GUESSS its going to be the future
@7:01 they need to STOP with the stickers on purchased products. Those should be in-store display only. does someone who bought the computer need constant reminding of the specs or some special feature set that is built into their computer every time they sit down to it?
It feels like Apple did a better launch 4 years ago. It seems like the emulation software that Apple made performed superior compared to Microsoft's solution.
Thank you for putting the laptop specs at the start of the video mate :) . I'm glad the chip seems to be living up to the hype. The more competition we have the better.
The biggest problem with ARM on Windows is Microsoft itself. Despite the emulation, if Microsoft fails to convince big crucial software vendors to rewrite their app for ARM Windows, then it screwed. Efficiency? Wait for Lunar Lake, Arrow Lake and even Panther Lake. Nope. Im not interested for arm Windows that is so pricey with uncertain future and support
good riddance to intel pushing 5 percent IPC for years . if we can get a version with 2 ssd slots and a 99 watt hr batt with similar sound/screen/touchpad to a mac i might have to change
I don't see this lasting very long. Companies aren't going to want to dump the resources into it. X86 is by far the dominating platform and companies aren't going to see the value in continuing to support it. It's the same reason Linux hasn't taken over. Most programs out there just don't natively run well on it in spite of it being X86. It's not better or cheaper than what's currently available so why bother? If you want a fancy internet browser, go for it. But if you want to use it for anything else, you're better off getting a regular X86 system or even a MacBook (in spite of how much I dislike Macs).
X Elite is not A processor. There are plenty of X Elite variants. Please specify which one is it. Your review or comparison is not genuine and might even backfire on Qualcomm since a consumer can get a variant with less clock speed and few cores
That fewer cores is the X-Plus which is not an X-Elite, so I am not sure why you are complaining about that. The Vivobook uses the main variant and a quick look at their website shows that.
@@andyH_EnglandNo, it uses the slowest variant of the X Elite (the 78), the 80 and 84 are a lot faster. Btw, this X elite is more a X Plus with 2 additional cores.
Damn exactly what I expected, Microsofts translation layer is ass. They are already 4 years behind Apples M series chips, and at this rate that gap will widen to a decade..
I'm glad to know Warcraft works on this. That's the main game I plan to play when I'm travelling, lol. Gotta still farm them mounts when away on business!
This laptop should have a negative cost given the objectively terrible keyboard: squished tilde key, shortened spacebar, squished numberpad, trying to support like 4 regional layouts simultaneously with all those ugly markings.
We dont need developers to start making Arm software, we need microsoft and other companies, make software that can emulate better, what developers are already doing.
THIS IS NOT A GAMING LAPTOP AND SHOULDN"T BE TREATED AS ONE The fact that Qualcomm is able to deliver the promised the performance claim and the translation works. I believe this is a gaming changing moment for Windows and it would only get better from here. This shows a glimmer of hope for me as a Mac users to reconsider using windows and i believe it's a win for the industry
I never said it was a gaming laptop lol. I tested both normal apps and gaming. The point of showing the games was to show compatibility its a lot easier to do. I would love Windows to succeed on arm but its not so easy. Apple could do it because they control the whole stack they can kill x86 on their platform. Windows can't. We are at a fork now with AMD & Intel continuing to make more X86 cpus and Qualcomm making ARM. Developers will continue to develop for the masses.
it's what i expected, around 50% battery life improvement. and its 3k 120hz. most x86 chips were 60hz in 12+ hours. and for gaming, i think it will be a long time to get windows arm support, maybe will change if a lot of people buy windows arm. i mean for gaming, i'll still use nvidia laptop. nvidia were really on a league on its own when it comes to gaming.
Big question... if I'm an Asus fanboy, who lives in my browser when I'm not using Photoshop and Lightroom and I never ever play games but I can't decide whether to go all out on a Zenbook UX8406MA-PZ203W with Intel Core Ultra 9 and 32GB RAM with 2TB fast SSD storage or to take a leap of faith with Vivobook S 15 with Snapdragon Elite etc. etc. - which laptop do you believe is going to give me THE best performance experience? I don't care about 'bang for my buck', I just want THE most powerful laptop for my needs. Which of those is it going to be?
What do you guys think of the new Snapdragon X Elite / ASUS Vivobook S 15?
Great video Matthew! I think a lot of ppl will dislike the X Elite based on it's short term faults. If it's adopted well and Qualcomm figures outs it's legal battle with Arm, it'll definitely mature.
I think it's a borderline good laptop. It does what it's supposed to do and that is to be an efficiency machine. Your review and conclusion is the best out there. If you use your laptop with what's seen in your review, it's a good buy, anything else, just may have to wait or see future AMD or Intel offerings. To me it doesn't really blow out even current AMD and Intel offerings, but there's nothing to hate on the X Elite as some other folks may blast it on.
That said, I'd like to see you do the unplugged tests with the upcoming AMD and Intel products or just a head to head battle altogether by the end of this year. Oh and of course maybe make note of tdp and Wh as many laptop vendors decide this just so viewers are aware. Then again most idle and regular battery use time should be similar unless the laptop vendor royally screws it up
Nice rewiew ! Can we open it with one hand ?
Good option for console gamers or those people who do not game at all (yes they exist). The battery life seems closer to M1 Pro level than M3 Pro level. Still a huge improvement and significantly lower price than a new MacBook.
Nah man, you lost me at Photoshop being graphically intensive...
@@sk0mi It uses the CPU alot. Loves RAM but its definitely gpu intensive when applying filters and plugins.
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@@MatthewMonizI love the sticker lore with this channel. That and the few times you used to say “pound” “this thing pounds” when reviewing laptops me and my friends used to crack jokes 😂
I'd love to see how alienware or msi integrades snapdragon X Elite with high end rtx graphic card and see how both works together
Not happening
Thank you so much for testing WOW, Matthew. Was it the x85 app? So it means MAC has is better, as the Client is compiled for arm64, so its quicker on Macos with M2 then with the Snapdragon anbd i can play like 2 hours Wow on battery until the 13‘ Macbook pro dies ;)
AMD & Intel just took a deep sigh of relief. The gaming industry is still in their control. Same for other X86 software that doesn't run well through an emulator software.
Capcom and Ubisoft releasing Resident Evil and Assassin's creed for iOS could be something that's coming to ARM on Windows as well.
Arm never did well with gaming we all knew that lol. The only people claiming arm is going to make x86 dead are apple fanboys hyping up their architecture for no damn reason😭
As you see the intel laptops are even outperforming these chips in batterylife. Arm is overrated especially as it needs more ram always
@@elalemanpaisa they need "more RAM", is this because they may require multiple instructions to correspond to one CISC?
Or did you mean that Prism uses extra RAM?
@@RichWithTech the former with which are exactly right. Actually that was the reason why ARM failed 30 years ago because ram was so slow and the CPUs werte starving which isn't a problem much anymore. Arm does work well in low performance devices however if you stress your device batterylife might even be worse.
We will see where we are in 5 years. Intel moving to more advanced notes and bigLittle designs might be keep Arm on their toes for while
I think people in comments are forgetting that screen is 15.6" with 3K resolution OLED panel with 120hz Refresh rate, not with 60 Hz and with 1080 or 1440p screen. Factor in these differences and you will get your result.
Yes exactly. To really compare the difference, you would need otherwise identical laptops that come with Intel or Qualcomm chips. I don't think the other integrated graphics options would do much better.
Agree with your comment! Though I think that in his tests he does lower acreen refresh rate to 60hz. At least that's what I see in most battery benchmarks.
@@cynicist8114 maybe comparing macbook air with LCD surface will be close enough but same specs with ram and SSD will make the macbook way more expensive than any other snapdragon laptop
@@yassineaqallal8167 well even with the 60 Hz, OLED consume more power than LCD so size is also bigger so... let's wait till all the updates are here
So drop it to 60 Hz, OLED should be more efficient, and the MacBooks are not usually 1440P, they’re closer to 3K. If they can’t get up near 18 Hours on Battery, then it is a good improvement, but not as good as the MacBook.
To be fair, the lower end MacBook can only manage about 18 TOPs with the NPU and the base on this is somewhere around 40 TOPs.
Awesome! That’s for being the first to drop a video like this around the X Elite!
bro. I was waiting for someone to drop the video since 2 days.
Hes not the first at all lol, there are much smaller channels who have done it before him
Seems like the 'influencer' type youtubers got this to review first.
Another one posted sooner th-cam.com/video/M07vlim6hhk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ZfByYGkLKYjG9CdC
@@metamon2704yes more eyes to teach/sell means you can jump the line
Note for light workloads the display has an equally important impact as SoC
The Zenbook 14 (Ultra 7 155H) has a 14" 2880x1800 120Hz OLED (with a 75WHr battery)
The Vivobook S 15 (X Elite X1E 78) has a 15.6" 2880x1800 120Hz OLED (with a 70WHr battery)
The Vivobook S 14 (Ultra 9 185H) has a 14" 1920x1200 60Hz OLED (with a 75WHr battery)
The Ultra 9 185H vs Ultra 7 155H should have almost negligible difference in efficiency, the difference is the displays
Hence the Vivobook S 14/Ultra 9 185H has the longest battery life because it has a larger 7% larger battery and a smaller display that's less power hungry (lower resolution & frame rate)
The Zenbook 14 vs Vivobook S 15 is the fairer comparison due to the display specs
The Vivobook S 15/X Elite has about 32% longer battery life despite the slightly larger display & slightly smaller battery
A fairer comparison would be the Samsung SDx 16 inch versus the Samsung Intel 16 inch with nvidia 40 series GPU. The Intel should only have a slight disadvantage after optimus shutting off the Nvidia GPU in light workloads. Samsung claims the same 22 hrs battery life but the SDx version uses a smaller 62WHr battery versus 74WHr on the Intel. If proven to be representative, then that gives the SDx about 20% battery life advantage.
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Hey Matthew , Thanks for considering my request and showing the webcam samples in natural lighting :) It really helps. Thankyou :)
My pleasure!
What about music production software like Ableton, FL Studio? How do they run?
Partnered with Asus.... I mean this is all TH-cam is anymore and is a bunch of commercials.
Its not that much better as i thought ot would be. Lunar lake is gonna outperform this shit.
Very bad, actually. Barely competes against last gen AMD or even Intel, what was Microsoft thinking going Qualcomm and ARM? Total miscalculation, could have gone AMD and had more TOPS and console like performance.
These Snapdragon Windows machines feel like running a beta, even though it’s a release version. A lot of things just don’t work or they run sluggishly. It doesn’t pay to be an early adopter for this since there’s hardly any native ARM software. I’d check back in a year to see if things have improved.
2:31 wait what’s the point if its battery life is not even better than Intel? Why buy into this ARM laptop if battery life is poor? This is dead on arrival.
Thanks for the honest review!
Always!
People here is forgetting that these PCs were never supposed to be Gaming laptops. Never
Exactly. I like his reviews. He's one of my favorites. But I believe he got it wrong here. I believe this PC is meant for productivity rather than gaming.
@@nakdickson also he did not specify the SUK of the cpu. There are at least three different version of the X Elite, with important differences
Whatever I was hoping more than 15+ battery life .. gaming not included ... False claim. ... From Qualcomm
@@nakdickson The point of the gaming was to show app incompatibility which I summarize at the end of the video. Yes, its not a gaming laptop but Qualcomm made a big deal about gaming and its important we point it out. But yes if you live in a world where apps are optimized for ARM you'll love this thing.
That's a bit dishonest in itself as they marketed that it can play games. They've even made a feature for 'AI' upscaling for gaming so to say they don't want ppl to play games on the X Elite is kinda absurd considering Windows is the OS to play games (or at least use to). 'Gaming' by your terms may not be Cyberpunk or Helldivers but the top percent of the most played games like WoW, LoL, Valorant, CS2, Dota, Overwatch, any e-sport game should be really good, also considering you have a 120hz screen, I'm sure QC would want a share of the average PC gaming market if it can
2:28 So the battery is worse than the intel ultra 9 ?? I'm not sure if I should be disappointed by Snapdragon or be impressed by Intel.
Edit: The Ultra 9 laptop has 7% larger battery along with a low powered 60Hz 1200p 14inch display meanwhile the Snapdragon laptop has a 120 Hz 3K display. Great video by Matthew as always, thou I wish he had cleared this in the video.
Probably disappointed in Snapdragon
Again... Apple is on anoyher planet with M chip notebook and their battery life
@@sydguitar99nah we should be disappointed at asus
@@itsmilan4069 it's an SoC so there's really not much they can do to it.
That's the 1st thing I noticed!?! I thought that was supposed to be the main point of these new chips!? I just bought an asus with the ultra core 7 and it lasts me all day with only charging it to 80% in the morning so I'm super happy with this new Intel chip rn, but I thought snapdragon was supposed to get like 20 hours or something like that?
TBH very unimpressive. Comparable performance to existing MTL and Zen 4 laptops (Minus the impressive R24 MT score. No ST score?). Battery life worse than the 185H. LNL/ARL and Zen 5 are launching shortly and don't have the translation layer performance penalties.
It’s beyond build quality and specs. It’s their *worst in the world customer service* that you should consider before buying. Thank me later if I saved you.
How the turntables... Mac is now better at gaming (on ARM) than Windows ? What interesting times we live in
Most of us know Qualcomm was trying to get their Elite chip out in the field early. They know Intel and AMD are going to be releasing very capable chips in the fall and into the beginning of next year. My take is that the Elite chip is pretty decent right now but will become roadkill as we cruise into the latter part of this year.
Agreed. Strix Point and likely Lunar Lake will be faster with comparable or not far behind battery life. Not to mention the performance of the X Elite's iGPU isn't even close to the 780m. That lead will only widen considerably with the new 890m.
Yeah, if Snapdragon struggles to compete with current AMD and Intel on performance and efficiency, then they're going to be DOA when Strix Point and especially Lunar Lake arrive.
@@Son37Lumiere
True
But at that point 8 Gen 4 will be launched, you might think what's the correlation?
Here the iGpu on the XElite is apparent just a Modified Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 Adreno 740 GPU
Overclocked with more executors,
If Qualcomm moves to Adreno 8 series with the 8 Gen 4 and they used a modified version of that on the XElite Gen 2 it's gonna be a pretty hefty bump
Adreno 750 was already 37% faster than the 8 Gen 2 while being more efficient so there's no reason to think why the XElite Gen 2 performed will be nothing short of explosive compared to Gen 1
Source - Geekerwan
@@RyanUniverseZ The X Elite's GPU is about half as fast as the 780m, the 890m is a good 35% faster than the 780m. Plus most games are written for x86 and there is a significant performance penalty using the Windows ARM to x86 emulator. Even if the Adreno 750 on the next updated CPU is 37% faster it will still be much slower.
It may compete better with Intel's Arc xe2 on Lunar Lake though, as that GPU (while showing equivalent performance to the 780m in 3dmark) is actually much slower in most real world games.
Intel Lunar Lake and Arrow Lake mobile laptops are going to destroy the Snapdragon X laptops...
We shall see! To early to tell. No hardware yet. I don’t like making claims based on promises
13hrs of battery life, oh cmon it supposed to be on 20hrs range!
And BTW newer chips AMD Ryzen launch in July it will obliterates every benchmark!
You do Realise that’s a Totally Different
Laptop Brand Promising that ? 😅
13 hours ? Seriously ? They promised 18 to 20 hours
@@AleWebCreateyes
on a different laptop from a different company 🤦🏽♂️
It's the laptop manufacturer who decides battery power, chip manufacturers only decide how much power it consumes.
Dell and Microsoft promised 20 hours. Asus never did
Just a reminder, this laptop has the lowest spec version of the Snapdragon X Elite.
13hours on a 70whr battery, 15 inch display. that doesn't sound that great right? the surface laptop 15 has like a 66whr battery? lower res, not oled though, so maybe itll be better
3k resolution 240hz oled. Battery seems pretty good to me with that screen eating all that battery. Do the same on a 1080p 60hz, probably 50-80% more battery
@@eduardmc But why do you need to run it at 240hz all the time? The frame rate of motion pictures is at 24hz. 240hz is 10 times of that. It might be useful for competitive gaming but this arm laptop is not good at that.
This laptop has a 120hz screen @@eduardmc
Why is this review the opposite of D2D review?
Dave made it sound like this laptop is the greatest of all time
I'm seeing many compromises and deal-breakers
Dave2D was selling it on price rather than performance and efficiency. It is reasonable priced but not as value-oriented as Dave made out.
Dave is talking about value to money and this laptop definitely is best value to money. Plus Dave managed to run games on it. 😅
@@Kratos30000 im honestly not sure if u hv ever watched any of his videos before
Became Dave2D reviewed it by productivity standards. Not gaming. This guy on the other hand is talking about gaming. Which this pc obviously wasn't geared towards.
@@danishsohail8852 Dave was wrong on value though, you can get laptops with an 8840HS or better for well under $1000, which will give you 90% of the CPU performance of the X Elite and much faster iGPU performance. Only downside is less battery life.
U should mention which x Elite version is it is it 84-100 or 70 series.
The compatibility will take atleast a decade to be resolved so my suggestion is unless ur task is natively compiled for arm don't buy arm laptops in 2024 and buy in 2034 bcs it will take atleast a decade to resolve this issue
This one is the 78 series so it's on the lower end. Only the Samsung Galaxy Edge currently has the 84 X1E for day 1.
And not on every model, some Galaxy Edge models have the 80 variant
The emulation hit is only 10 percent, also most common apps are already arm. No need to wait at all.
@@TalynOne not for games
@@debojitmandal8670 correct, i have a chonky heavy loud battery hog laptop for gaming, this is going to be my work slash travel device.
This is a wrong review bro, This is a MacBook Air competitor, and you're talking about gaming? I want a price to performance comparison between this, MacBook Air and equivalent intel and AMD PC. Most of the target users are students and light users. We want battery life test, and what it's like to use regular business apps.
Edited: Seen Dave2D video, and I'm satisfied now.
Thank you.
Bro this is their “Elite” chip and it has active cooling. The MacBook Air runs Apples tablet chip and has no fan. The MacBook Air GPU crushes the Elite’s GPU. The MacBook Air running CrossOver is compatible with more Windows games than this Windows chip is compatible with. This is a complete embarrassment. Seek safety in Dave’s video if you must, but this whole marketing hype was a dud.
If the Elite is supposed to be a base M competitor, than what is the Plus competing with? A Phone CPU? 😂
I know, it’s super weird. “I bought a new bicycle - but I’m really unhappy with it because it’s not a Ferrari!”
For the millions of students who just need a laptop to do college work with, this is a vast implement over an x86 laptop.
@@destructodisk9074That doesn't mean anything. It's the elite among a line of bicycles. Stop asking it to do Ferrari stuff.
@@destructodisk9074idk what you talking about, this thing absolutely crushes the macbook air while being cheaper and apparently no heating problems.
@@les_crow Ferrari stuff? This is the "Elite" series in their laptop chip line up. They have a "Plus" version below that. All we are asking is for them to keep up. M4 is a tablet fanless chip, not a Ferrari and it beats this Elite that has a cooler.. M3 Pro destroys this thing and is a mid range chip, not a Ferrari. M3 Max is is upper midrange not a Ferrari and it seems Qualcomm is a decade behind that. M2 Ultra is the Ferrari. Qualcomm is getting beaten by all 4 levels of Apple Silicon, on Qualcomms highest end chip they can produce.
Qualcomm had a decade head start and they still bring this to market with a 50% battery life hit on x86 emulation and terrible x86 app and game compatibility. Apple launched M1 with no battery life hit and near 100% compatibility with x86 Mac apps. DOn't need a Ferrari.. they had a huge head start, just asking the bare minimum to keep up with a tablet chip on their highest tier laptop chip. Asking that Mustang beat a Ford Fiesta. But I guess that is too much to ask.
What a disappointment. Absolute zero reason for going through the hassle with x86 emulation etc. Not good enough.
It is a good starting point towards a better laptop experience.
Screw ASUS and their defective products
Thanks for the early review! So for me, not interested in this architecture for gaming. But what disappoints me the most is battery life.... only 12 hours? If it's on par with meteorlake, then lunarlake will kill this.... and if it's no better than x86 with battery life, then what's the point? Looks like it's best not to be an early adopter. My next laptop is looking to be a macbook air with m4 when it launches, or I may still give Lunar Lake a chance.
I get 5-6 hours best on any intel platform. Not sure intel will ever make a power efficient chip competitive with arm offerings.
@@ocvjw8734 Not sure what generation or config that is that you are using, but I get about 7-8 hours currently with my intel gen 13 laptop. In this review here, he shows meteorlake getting 12-13 hour which is on par with what i've read with other reviews and make sense based on what i'm getting on intel gen 13. So i have no idea what you're using, but that sounds like only your config.
@brianclarke8503 I was using a galaxy book 3 pro with Intel Core i7 13th gen. Only on a very dim screen with mainly streaming audio I could get around the 7 hour mark. (It was advertised to 13-14 hours) I did gift a new dell with the core ultra processor to family, maybe its better there. But at this point I'm done with x86.
Btw no laptop company has accurate battery life estimations, including Apple.
These companies purposely lower the brightness all the way down and do light task so they can technically claim it can last those hours, but in real life use, it probably only last half the time they claim🤷♂️
This is when people eat all the marketing bullshit.. it's required 12 power cores to catch up with Apple 4 power cores (basic M series), and since the Windows is multitasking OS, and each app use one core, you can rapidly use 7-8 power cores.. which will ALWAY use more power like the 4 power cores and 4 efficiency cores.. (not to mention the fan noise, so it's still hotter like the fanless Macbook, which also a hint for more power consumption..)
Qualcomm changing it's story now 😅
Welp look like ultra 9 is still the better option
For the 7th gen ARM for PC product form Snapdragon, it's not bad.
As more apps become optimized for the processor it will get better. My surface pro 11 will arrive today!! 🎉🎉🎉
I am looking forward to using this architecture with Linux installed 🤗
You should feature games like genshin, honkaiimpact3rd, & hsr on to the igpu benchmark
Nobody cares about crappy games like gensin, move along
It's can't even play properly smaller games.. so what do you expect..? The baldurs gate 3 is barely run at 1080p@30fps, and they obviously showed the non throttling phase, and that is not really a graphics heavy game..
that would be great as those games is relatively capable running with iGPU only. also, I'm curious how's the translation layer will impact game's performance. Because from Dave2D review, at least, there's noticeable -10% performance penalty when running app with translation layer vs with native ARM build.
@@TamasKiss-yk4st BG3 has been notoriously hard to run.. they had to do extra work to get it to run at an okay speed on Xbox Series S
Hey Mathew , just wanted to check whether for this laptop can we jump from 16RAM to 32RAM by changing hardware?
It has been overly hyped. It's not a game-changer; it's more like a new chip that falls short of expectations. However, having competition is beneficial for us as consumers.
I agree, underwhelmed, but glad it exists and hopefully, it will get better next generation.
If you're not gaming, ARM machines makes more sense even in this state
Unless it creates a split in the developer world because software now needs another code path for another cpu architecture that increases development costs, and resources spent on getting it to work on this 3rd entrant could be better spent optimising performance on the other established CPU+GPU architectures that the majority already use...
it is game chagner for battery and heat when it comes ot window laptops if you have used them before, and once devlopers start to develop more software for arm, yeah othere windows laptops better watch out.
so its like a macbook, non existent gaming but good for work loads, i'll stick with the old school x86.
Yeah that's disappointing
Biggest myth ever is that ARM is more efficient. This has been debunked by a study done at Wisconsin University back in 2013. ARM has no inherent advantage. It was always the OS, and AMD and Intel have improved the efficiency of their x86 chips a lot. Both upcoming Strix/Kraken Point (AMD) and Lunar Lake (Intel) should have very similar battery life as well.
@@SirMolol which study is that? Can you share? x86 carries decades of legacy garbage that makes it very complex to control and manage idle and active power. Its widely known among micro architects, cpus built on arm isa are easier to optimize for PPA. Software compatibility may or may not come for ARM but these facts dont change.
@@SirMoyou don't get 95 percent of total performance while unplugged on x86 chips.
Gaming on Mac might actually be better than this. An M1 Pro plus Wine and Rosetta will run a lot of windows games, and there are a few that run natively on macOS. Plus the GPU on even the base M1 seems faster than the GPU in this.
Im guessing wait for 2nd gen or native apps get better and or catch up. But good effort overall
I just recently bought the vivobook s15 2024, just the ryzen 7 8845hs version... I make a quick review just for you guys to know...
good points:
-The keyboard is really confortable for typing, I can't miss a thing.
-The trackpad is huge.
-The screen is the best I've ever had, and the 120hz make the difference.
-the performarce is great, not laggy at all.
-the battery is decent, performs for 7/8 of constant no stop use if you multitask. Browsing and media consuming at 120hz and screen at max brightness.
-the camera is good.
-the weight is perfect and all the computer feels like a solid piece.
-myasus software has good things to setup, even mic deactivation
Bad points:
-The trackpad is mechanic and it feels weird when you click it sometimes, for a notebook of this price should be haptic.
-The keyboard despite being good for typing the material feels sticky and somehow plastic.
-the copilot button doesn't even open the app lol (but maybe thats something that can be changed in the configuration)
-the grey colour laptop feels cheapier than the blue one, if you can get that one.
-the battery is not as good as they claim I just hope it doesn't deteriorate bad with time.
-the sound has good quality, but not with music.
Overall a good pc, I picked at 989 euros.
Pathetic. AMD is better by miles.
LOL, how it it possible that Apple can make Windows 11 ARM run better on M3 chips and Windows games trough Game Porting Toolkit 2 at high to ultra settings, and Microsoft can't emulate their own services and techology since Windows RT on ARM? :))) This makes me laugh in here. Developers will not make ARM software, because Windows 11 ARM is just an option unused in the Microsoft universe, unlike Apple that moved completely on ARM including developers.
I'm using my Surface Pro X with my Epson Printer/Scanner and Sony MiniDisc from 2002. Which is extremely old. All work without issue. I can even use the OEM Scanner software (but not OEM printer drivers, Windows ones are as good).
Nice fair review. I know Macbook Airs screens are LCD but they seem to be very nice with high resolution. Also they are 60hz but I think it's a fair trade off for having excellent speakers, no fans and great build quality.
no fans mean heat anyway you put, I returned my Macbook air 15, because it got too hot!!!
@@thenubianspeaks4329 had a few airs, the only one that ever got warm was the Intel i3 I had in 2019. M1, 2, 3 stay cool at all times from everything I've heard and read. My M1 has never gotten warm even.
They had one job, be a MacBook. And they failed miserably
How do you figure, battery and heat is just about as good as the macbook. and plus the new 15 inch macbook air gets hot as hell. sorry, they die mot fail by much, and not losing power on battery just like the Mac is phenomenal, and if you use a windows computer you should kmow that. I like the Mac too very much, but you just sound like resentful Mac user
@@thenubianspeaks4329 I am not a mac user. I was, I quit. Bought a PC and use Linux. If I'm ever buying a laptop again, it will be MacBook. Windows sux no matter what CPU you use, Linux usually has problems with laptops unless you explicitly buy one that has official support for it which severely limits your choice. I'm just done with the laptops altogether, but still, nothing comes even close to what MacBook offers
Still getting an X Elite powered laptop for my next one. I'm done with intel's incremental updates. They only "redesign" their chips when there's competition around the corner. So, I'm moving to other SOCs.
Windows still has a lead in pc market share. Going fully ARM will expedite the app architecture switch as developers now have to make apps for ARM because Windows runs on ARM and even if x86 co exits along with ARM Windows users get the choice of choosing between ARM for efficiency and x86 for app support. PC can make a strong comeback and go toe to toe with mac once again. Mac users won't be forced to buy non repairable overpriced stuff just for performance and app optimization. This is good for everybody.
If this can’t beat meteor on battery then lunar will be nightmare. And performance being equal to meteor, big pass, especially when lunar will the next game changer.
So HX370 will take best cpu on x86 thin&light, lunar will take best battery with decent gain on meteor but not HX370 and will tie with AMD graphics, more or less, better drivers needed. X elite has no place. I guess the big bet on 12 p cores is not enough, AMD is doing 4 zen 5 the rest small zen 5c, lunar 4 big 4 small skymont, and M4 is gonna be scary for X elite, 4 big 6 small, and more or less same score for X elite, with more GPU expected. This gen 4 big seems to be the trend.
Basically I will take lunar. Or even the 7840u also very decent, probably about the same price bracket as X elite. M4 unknown quantity atm, and there will be M4promax also. Good luck X1E80100.
8:54 Why ASUS tell me, is there so much wasted space? The battery could be expanded to the right, instead it's filled with plastic and air. There is space for more ports on the left, why not 4 USBs ore more USB-C or DP? I don't believe the soldered Qualcomm WiFi adapter is better than Intel cards, do you have benchmarks to support your claims? Over all Performance of the Laptop (beware performance of the same chip in different Laptops can differ by a lot! see first Ryzen mobile chips from the past) looks decent. that's it. It's obvious that translation layers (x86 -> Arm) will eat up a lot of performance. I'm excited to see the second Iteration though. Buyers Beware: First gen is always a mess, you are a guinea pig and they are running experiments with first gen hardware.
if it can run mc bedrock edition then its enough, other games arent meant to be played on this laptop, it isnt a gaming laptop to begin with, you buy it only for casual use or for non-heavy work and for that amazing battery life
I'm getting tired of the "it won't work with..." statements. WE KNOW THIS!!!! This is cutting edge technology, so the inclusion of other features and capabilities will come in time. DUH!
Not interested in any snapdragon x elite windows laptops, it almost guarantees the things other than CPU GPU and WiFi devices (for example, weird keyboard layout, fingerprint reader, fan controller) not working properly with other operating systems. I’m waiting for the TUXEDO version, which guarantees almost 100% everything will work on whatever systems I will be using.
Decent first showing. Not great but not bad. Bring on Snapdragon Gen 2
I agree, but im afraid because of the early hype, most people will saw it as a disappointment and not a decent, but still have to work on the next gen harder chip.
I believe this is with X1E-78-100 chip, so expect X Elite come even stronger, when we get X1E-80-100 and X1E-84-100 chip device tests.
It's already like their 4th try with laptops. They had the Snapdragon 7c Gen 2, Snapdragon 7c+ Gen 3, Snapdragon 8cx, all of which had versions that were on actual laptops running Windows 10/11 and not chromebooks running ChromeOS.
@@dronshi this time it’s different because this chip was largely designed by engineers behind Apples M1. So you should treat it as first gen
@@SunsetNova It's not called "Designed by engineers behind Apples M1", it's called "Snapdragon" and it's their fourth gen.
ARM on windows is overhyped.. Qualcomm did pathetic inflated benchmark slides. IRL the battery is just on par with other x86 PCs and the graphics is among the worst.
Not impressed!
Good Lightroom (Photoshop?) test:
* AI denoise of photos
On my HP Dragonfly 12 gen Intel: 5-13 min
On MacBook (M2?): 20 s
On PCs with top notch NVIDIA GPUs: 10 s?
The Snapdragon X Elite ARM processor is a disaster for software developers because it does not support popular tools like Windows Git and Python. Even if ARM translation to x86 becomes available in the future, it is still unlikely to outperform Intel CPUs in terms of performance.
with the hardware finally being here, its too bad that Microsoft is continuing turn windows into a steaming pile of garbage. I'm glad that qualcomm is actively working on Linux support and upstreaming drivers, etc into the Kernel. It'll be interesting to see how fast it'll mature on Linux, especially considering Linux applications tend to have better Arm availability.
37db on whisper/silent mode WTF is loud in my opinion. Laptop manufactures don't know hot to build good cooling to make laptop 0db while web-browsing, watching TH-cam 4k, listen music, watch movie at the same time without using fans , I'm disappointed mehh. Counting that mini PC will be better
Disappointed with limitations and price
Pretty impressive if u ask me. Cuz the software will only improve from this point onwards
@@XandexTheMarshanAgreed. For a first gen product it's quite impressive.
The ASUS S14 had better battery life (by only 49 mins) in the chart at 2:28 because of a larger battery, lower refresh rate and lower brightness.
And software support for ARM on Windows is only going to increase from now... I wonder how the test will look like in 4-5 months from now.
@@ibraheem1224It may take longer than 5 months. This laptop may be software-crippled for a long time.
They dramatically oversold the gaming capability of this chip and that's disappointing. Whelp, here's to hoping they can iterate their way into parity with other iGPU manufacturers or maybe exceed them someday. It'd also be nice if they explored a variant with no fan to compete with the M3 better, but based on Dave's power consumption tests it looks like the Snapdragon isn't quite at power efficiency parity under load.
Yo Matthew! I have a question, if my laptop does not have an Ethernet port and I connect it via USB to Ethernet Adapter Ethernet to USB Adapter for Laptop would it take it in as a usb has connected to it or an Ethernet cable has been connected?😅
As an Ethernet cable, the same happens if you USB tether internet from your android.
@@uninsignificantso I’m assuming it would work as an Ethernet cable instead of usb?
@@Naagee yes, it will show as an ethernet controller instead of usb device.
@@uninsignificantoh tysm
This is a misleading comparison when it comes to the battery. For example, under blender do we have the same performance(x86) compared to battery life? It is obvious that with less performance we have a better battery life. The best comparison would be equal performance. I would then just have to lower the power of min X86 to reach the battery life under Arm. Otherwise I see no point in having a longer battery with less performance.
People who seem disappointed chill for a bit
This laptop has entry level of x elite
Asus promised 19 hrs of battery life
Reviews are getting in range of 12 to 14hrs ..[70kwh battery ]
Will we waiting for higher version of x elite
I am surprised the cry is about games? Seriously? Microsoft has been comparing it with MBA M3 that can't even run games to begin with.
Let's do what we do with Apple. Stick to what the device is targeted at.
I still have another 3 years before I buy a new laptop, surely by then there will be major improvements to prism and more apps will be ARM compatible
Why test game on it and complain? Do you test games on ur shiny macbooks too and complain? No you dont cause also nothing works there too!
Okay wow factor is officially gone.
Crazy that the M1 Mac can run Windows games tough Parallels better than Windows on Microsoft maschines. How is Apple better at running windows games?? I hope MS gets their ass whopped asap so that they put in more effort
For me, the partial advantages are far too small to compensate for the disadvantages of software emulation. With Linux, it would be a different story, because most applications would be available and therefore could run native on ARM.
It's really sad, for me gaming is the single most important application in a laptop or desktop computer. If my gaming experience is compromised, this windows on arm laptop just becomes a web browsing machine, then I'd just buy an iPad for that matter
The only thing with asus computer the software is own by Microsoft, had a major problem with their computer, the software is lockdown and the only way to get out of that if you wanted to use Google or some other apps you had to get out of S mode and even try to reset the computer it came out that asus tech support didn’t want to support the problem cause the software was own by Microsoft. Ok then I try contacting Microsoft even that was a problem no support over the phone only by email then they ask to send it in. Never will buy an asus computer again.
Damn, makes me wonder if I should wait for the new LUNAR LAKE CPU later this year. Not really impressed with this particular laptop.
Omg…. Microsoft wasn’t even ready for the launch….god help us 😕😕
Probably wanted to do their own launch... and be in control of what benchmarks they include.
why people think its going to be perfect on release , its not going to work dude
even gaming its not going to work on the first batch
let the first batch release on the cropo buildings and then keep working to port or make apps to arm coz i guess GUESSS its going to be the future
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they need to STOP with the stickers on purchased products. Those should be in-store display only.
does someone who bought the computer need constant reminding of the specs or some special feature set that is built into their computer every time they sit down to it?
It feels like Apple did a better launch 4 years ago. It seems like the emulation software that Apple made performed superior compared to Microsoft's solution.
The review is fine of course, Matthew does good reviews, but if I knew this was an ARM based laptop I wouldn't have clicked in the first place.
Thank you for putting the laptop specs at the start of the video mate :) . I'm glad the chip seems to be living up to the hype. The more competition we have the better.
The biggest problem with ARM on Windows is Microsoft itself.
Despite the emulation, if Microsoft fails to convince big crucial software vendors to rewrite their app for ARM Windows, then it screwed.
Efficiency? Wait for Lunar Lake, Arrow Lake and even Panther Lake.
Nope. Im not interested for arm Windows that is so pricey with uncertain future and support
good riddance to intel pushing 5 percent IPC for years . if we can get a version with 2 ssd slots and a 99 watt hr batt with similar sound/screen/touchpad to a mac i might have to change
382nits Sdr brightness is very average sadly. This basically matches the tab s9. But still much worse than a 9 year old tab s 10.5
I don't see this lasting very long. Companies aren't going to want to dump the resources into it. X86 is by far the dominating platform and companies aren't going to see the value in continuing to support it. It's the same reason Linux hasn't taken over. Most programs out there just don't natively run well on it in spite of it being X86. It's not better or cheaper than what's currently available so why bother? If you want a fancy internet browser, go for it. But if you want to use it for anything else, you're better off getting a regular X86 system or even a MacBook (in spite of how much I dislike Macs).
X Elite is not A processor. There are plenty of X Elite variants. Please specify which one is it. Your review or comparison is not genuine and might even backfire on Qualcomm since a consumer can get a variant with less clock speed and few cores
That fewer cores is the X-Plus which is not an X-Elite, so I am not sure why you are complaining about that. The Vivobook uses the main variant and a quick look at their website shows that.
@@andyH_EnglandNo, it uses the slowest variant of the X Elite (the 78), the 80 and 84 are a lot faster. Btw, this X elite is more a X Plus with 2 additional cores.
@@Kratos30000 Thanks!
@@Kratos30000 isn't the 78 like the common variant everyone uses? I think only a few ultra premium models will have the higher clocked parts.
I dont know why the review of Snap Elite are so positive, I hoped they would be better, as an Ex Windows User I will stay in Apple Fam
Damn exactly what I expected, Microsofts translation layer is ass. They are already 4 years behind Apples M series chips, and at this rate that gap will widen to a decade..
I'm glad to know Warcraft works on this. That's the main game I plan to play when I'm travelling, lol. Gotta still farm them mounts when away on business!
This laptop should have a negative cost given the objectively terrible keyboard: squished tilde key, shortened spacebar, squished numberpad, trying to support like 4 regional layouts simultaneously with all those ugly markings.
We dont need developers to start making Arm software, we need microsoft and other companies, make software that can emulate better, what developers are already doing.
THIS IS NOT A GAMING LAPTOP AND SHOULDN"T BE TREATED AS ONE
The fact that Qualcomm is able to deliver the promised the performance claim and the translation works. I believe this is a gaming changing moment for Windows and it would only get better from here. This shows a glimmer of hope for me as a Mac users to reconsider using windows and i believe it's a win for the industry
I never said it was a gaming laptop lol. I tested both normal apps and gaming. The point of showing the games was to show compatibility its a lot easier to do. I would love Windows to succeed on arm but its not so easy. Apple could do it because they control the whole stack they can kill x86 on their platform. Windows can't. We are at a fork now with AMD & Intel continuing to make more X86 cpus and Qualcomm making ARM. Developers will continue to develop for the masses.
it's what i expected, around 50% battery life improvement. and its 3k 120hz. most x86 chips were 60hz in 12+ hours. and for gaming, i think it will be a long time to get windows arm support, maybe will change if a lot of people buy windows arm. i mean for gaming, i'll still use nvidia laptop. nvidia were really on a league on its own when it comes to gaming.
I hated to play games with boiler cpu. As demands build up, more games developers would move to these new playground
I edit videos. But the fact that Davinci Resolve is built for ARM and still cant playback smoothly at 4k with color? Come on..
Big question... if I'm an Asus fanboy, who lives in my browser when I'm not using Photoshop and Lightroom and I never ever play games but I can't decide whether to go all out on a Zenbook UX8406MA-PZ203W with Intel Core Ultra 9 and 32GB RAM with 2TB fast SSD storage or to take a leap of faith with Vivobook S 15 with Snapdragon Elite etc. etc. - which laptop do you believe is going to give me THE best performance experience? I don't care about 'bang for my buck', I just want THE most powerful laptop for my needs. Which of those is it going to be?
AMD's Strix is coming out next month. It should be the fastest mobile CPU.
1800 time spy score tells me it'll canabalize MacBook air sales but no one who wants to game will buy these.
which one would you recommend between the vibook s15 vs surface laptop 7?
Does Microsoft super resolution upscaler work with world of warcraft?
Why bother, we already have dlss, fsr and xess.
those don't work on world of warcraft the game is 20 years old
With time it will get better, better not jump into the bandwagon right away. Let's wait for next gen