Mozart's Most Contrapuntally Complex Minuet and Trio (from K. 388 Serenade for Winds in C minor)

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  • @FiveSharps
    @FiveSharps 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    It never ceases to impress me how elegant Mozart's writing is. You'd never guess how complex this stuff is from just listening. Great video as always Richard. Amazing choice of piece too, that trio lives rent free in my head.

    • @gerdprengel7616
      @gerdprengel7616 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Enjoy it also for orchestra as a symphony: th-cam.com/video/JF9KqHkL88I/w-d-xo.htmlsi=D7RUVbyv6iFszzu2

  • @TenorCantusFirmus
    @TenorCantusFirmus 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    The three great Wind Serenades (the "Grand Partita", this one in C minor and the one in E-flat major) are absolute masterpieces, Mozart elevated the "Harmonie-Musik" to peaks comparable to those reserved to fully-blown orchestras.

  • @pentwick4652
    @pentwick4652 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    when you're so good at melodies that people forget you were a master of counterpoint (and harmony) as well
    also pls do more bach, love your vids

    • @romualdkowalewski4373
      @romualdkowalewski4373 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      How much people who only know Eine Kleine Nachtmusik must be missing out!

  • @Ivan_1791
    @Ivan_1791 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +69

    Wake up babe, new Atkinson video!

    • @Raffael-Tausend
      @Raffael-Tausend 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Why does this "joke" appear in every comment section of a good TH-camr? Is this referencing some insider joke?

    • @Ivan_1791
      @Ivan_1791 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      @Raffael-Tausend I don't know if it is a reference but for me it is a way to show excitement. Like you wake up your partner just to watch the video together or something. I'm autistic idk

    • @Richard.Atkinson
      @Richard.Atkinson  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      @@Raffael-Tausend At least one person usually posts it on all my videos 😂

    • @Raffael-Tausend
      @Raffael-Tausend 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@Ivan_1791fair enough:-) I was just wondering

    • @Fakery
      @Fakery 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      ​@@Richard.Atkinson we're just excited and wish to share with all our friends

  • @NidusFormicarum
    @NidusFormicarum 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I like the fact that the canon in the minuet section is orchestrated. It's an interesting exercise to add harmonies to principal polyphonic voices. You don't want to blurr the main voices and you probably want some slower note values for stability. On the other hand you might want greater variety than here and let instruments jump between different tasks in a larger orchestral context here.

  • @tiborfenyvesi3196
    @tiborfenyvesi3196 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Never clicked so fast on a new video, thanks!

  • @Cornodebassetto
    @Cornodebassetto 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    This makes me happy. I’ve played this many many times and always marvelled at this movement and the mirrored cannon

    • @Richard.Atkinson
      @Richard.Atkinson  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Your name is especially appropriate for this video 😂

    • @Cornodebassetto
      @Cornodebassetto 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ 💯😅

  • @Swaroque
    @Swaroque 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Thanks a lot for uploading of the video ! It teaches us the Genius Music of Mozart whose ideas are still not fully explored today.

  • @unwrought9757
    @unwrought9757 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    It’s indeed so easy to underestimate Mozart due to singing and melodic nature of his music! You never make such mistake with Bach whose music is a deep well at the very first glance whereas Mozart’s pieces seem to be sparkling summer drinks in a thin translucent glasses. Yet the well is exactly of the same depth. The minor section reminds me somehow of Dvorak. In my opinion, those two have one thing in common: thanks to their immense and impeccable melodic talent their music amazes with apparent simplicity and natural flow while it’s complex and tricky in fact.

    • @Richard.Atkinson
      @Richard.Atkinson  2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I wonder if you associate this with Dvorak because of Dvorak’s D minor wind serenade, that sometimes sounds like this Mozart serenade?

    • @unwrought9757
      @unwrought9757 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ not really , I didn’t mean any specific piece by Dvorak, but more the overall impression that the minor section gave me. The melody possesses such rhythmic quality and such dance-like straightforwardness that reminded me of Dvorak.

  • @romualdkowalewski4373
    @romualdkowalewski4373 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I know I'm going to show off my ignorance of music, but I've never heard this serenade. Thanks for making me aware of the existence of such a marvel!

  • @dragondaemonis3801
    @dragondaemonis3801 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    This serenade (and the corresponding quintet transcription) is perhaps among my favourite compositions by Mozart. All the movements show an equal amount of craftsmanship, even though declined in different ways. I especially love the recapitulation section of the first movement, where the once sweet second theme returns in gloomy C minor, besides this movement and the equally great finale, from which I think Beethoven took some inspiration.

    • @Richard.Atkinson
      @Richard.Atkinson  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Very true. I also love the slow movement - especially when the horns play the theme.

  • @carlhaberle6185
    @carlhaberle6185 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Dude, I love your videos so much! Please never ever stop! Have a great day!

  • @TobiasWahren
    @TobiasWahren 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Großartig!!!
    Danke so much!

  • @thomasskoronski8625
    @thomasskoronski8625 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    It's great to see the canonic Adagio getting some love; I was beginning to think I was the only person aware of its existence. Mozart is known almost exclusively for large, multi-movement works (or selections from them) but many of his miniatures are fantastic. Some of the lieder, some of the canons, the six notturni, K. 355, K 574, K. 411....

  • @iggyreilly2463
    @iggyreilly2463 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Has there ever existed a greater composer for winds than Mighty Mo? I love the original Serenade's piquant, almost strident sound over the Quintet's smoothness. Hausmusik indeed!
    Another favorite c-minor masterpiece is the Masonic Funeral Music K 477. What a small gem!

    • @gerdprengel7616
      @gerdprengel7616 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Enjoy it also for orchestra as a symphony: th-cam.com/video/JF9KqHkL88I/w-d-xo.htmlsi=D7RUVbyv6iFszzu2

  • @LukS626
    @LukS626 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Thank you so much Mr Atkinson! Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year with many new amazing videos!

  • @giuliopft
    @giuliopft 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    OMG, I absolutely love this Serenade and especially the third movement. As soon as I have enough time to carefully watch this video, I will!

  • @brianr.3085
    @brianr.3085 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Love seeing a notification for a new video of yours, especially when it's on one of my favorite pieces. Also, thank you for introducing me to that adagio for basset horns. It's excellent! I'm still holding out hope that you'll get around to finishing that video on the c-minor fugue k.426/546(perhaps included in a larger video on Mozart's fugues in general?) but I'm probably just being greedy at this point.

    • @Richard.Atkinson
      @Richard.Atkinson  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I will get around to it soon!

    • @StockyScoresRaoraPantheraFC
      @StockyScoresRaoraPantheraFC 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Richard.Atkinsonand also remember the full, completely in-detail deep dive of:
      1) Strauss's Don Quixote
      2) Stravinsky's Rite of Spring
      3) any Wagner opera / the Bach Matthaeuspassion

  • @teagancalkins
    @teagancalkins 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Wow I wasn't expecting this upload at all, what a pleasant surprise

  • @juanferestrada
    @juanferestrada 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I'm so happy I get to live in a timeline where we have Richard Atkinson's channel!

  • @mysticmouse7261
    @mysticmouse7261 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The counterpoint is intensified by the added texture of the little rhythmic figures in the themes, just like Bach.

  • @armentsirunyan6937
    @armentsirunyan6937 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The statistical probability that this video that I am only just starting to watch is going to be an awesome video that I am going to enjoy immensely is roughly 100%.

  • @derekdavid1
    @derekdavid1 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The King Richard has returned!

  • @einarkristjansson6812
    @einarkristjansson6812 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Thank you Richard Atkinson for your musical education. I love Mozart, but I am not educated in music, a bit self educated in the history of music. I listen, go to concerts and buy music. Greetings from Iceland. Einar Kr.

  • @DivergentIntegral
    @DivergentIntegral 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    A nice touch is that the second section begins like a "Monte Romanesca", in a brief nod to music of an earlier period (such as Corelli's trio sonatas).

  • @maniak1768
    @maniak1768 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    2:00 It's funny that you mention that the second section of a minuet is like a mini-developement section from a sonata movement, because that's probably how Mozart thought about sonata form to begin with, like a blown-up and over-dimensional minuet. He learned composition with the helps of the famous Riepel treatise on melody and the minuet is literally Riepel's primary pedagogical tool for teaching the compositional craft. No coincidence that Mozart's first compositions as a child are minuets, too.

  • @GianlucaCagnaniJSBGLORY
    @GianlucaCagnaniJSBGLORY 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Awesome as usual, your analysis is perfect! Notice the second part of Minuetto shares the same harmonic structure with 'Eure Tukke' (Osmin) in the Einfuhrung aus dem Serail.

  • @Martill3
    @Martill3 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Ahhhhh yes! Missed you dude! Also what timing, as a fellow counterpoint enthusiast i yesterday started composing my own canons at each interval, inspired (of course) by Bach and by you! (Though starting diatonically as in the Goldberg variations, but for two unaccompanied voices)

    • @Richard.Atkinson
      @Richard.Atkinson  4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Let me know when I can listen to it!

  • @maiaka_
    @maiaka_ 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Babe wake up! New Richard Atkinson video dropped!

  • @Timmmmartin
    @Timmmmartin 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Mozart will remain forever the supreme master at writing for woodwind instruments!

  • @georgeharteman4083
    @georgeharteman4083 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Thanks a great piece of work; by Mozart but in this case by you.

  • @Elena-jcwtm
    @Elena-jcwtm 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Great video, thank you!

  • @fredhoupt4078
    @fredhoupt4078 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Charming, enlightening, mentally stimulating and emotionally satisfying. I look forward to your well thought out essays. Kudos. (Is there no end to how much Mozart impresses us with his genius?)

  • @NidusFormicarum
    @NidusFormicarum 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    ... Also, note that the motives in bar 12 and 13 has just been used... - three notes upwards and the three notes in the second basson are the same as when it entered.

  • @JudgeFredd
    @JudgeFredd 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Excellent

  • @StockyScoresRaoraPantheraFC
    @StockyScoresRaoraPantheraFC 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Happy 100th video, Richard!

  • @leonpetrich5864
    @leonpetrich5864 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Such a cyte video compared to the one passacaglia to rule them all!
    I would love to see some more bruckner analyses, though I know how endless the amount of effort required is.

  • @Sunkem1Not6Hacks
    @Sunkem1Not6Hacks 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I have no substance to add but great video(which I haven't yet watched).

  • @Sunkem1Not6Hacks
    @Sunkem1Not6Hacks 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    3:40 I really dislike when this happens. Usually it happens to, what many perceive as, minor parts of a work such as ornaments but it can make a huge difference in the character of themes inside a piece.

  • @brzlzcz317
    @brzlzcz317 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Quién es genio, es genio al derecho, al roverso, boca abajo, haciendo el pino o saltando a la pata coja ...no diga genio , diga Mozart!

  • @the_eternal_student
    @the_eternal_student วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    is there any evidence of what exercises Mozart used to be able to hear canons or did it come to him automatically?

  • @ajmccalla4511
    @ajmccalla4511 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Okay, admit it! This channel's just a front to get impressionable kids hooked on Haydn, isn't it? You lure them in with catchy titles about Mozart or big ol' Bruckner symphonies, but it ALLLLLL leads back to Haydn in the end doesn't it, Haydn pusher! You think you're so slick, but I'm onto you!

    • @Richard.Atkinson
      @Richard.Atkinson  4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      At least I had some self control this time and didn’t actually play the Haydn piece 😂

  • @iamstillthinking
    @iamstillthinking 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    god did

  • @gerdprengel7616
    @gerdprengel7616 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Oh,yes, what a masterwork!! But as Mozart arranged it for string quintet he should have arranged it also for orchestra what I tried here : th-cam.com/video/JF9KqHkL88I/w-d-xo.htmlsi=D7RUVbyv6iFszzu2

  • @qwaqwa1960
    @qwaqwa1960 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Makes one wonder if he knew the Musical Offering...

  • @lumenvera9452
    @lumenvera9452 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Dear Richard, you have done a great job presenting Mozart's superb skills at counterpoint in instrumental works. Even though you have cracked down several choral masterpieces by Bach, I have not seen any videos of yours doing that with Mozart's amazing choral counterpoint. How about Misericordias Domini KV 222 to start with? A great admirer of yours. th-cam.com/video/u5dGgwydwG4/w-d-xo.html

  • @StockyScoresRaoraPantheraFC
    @StockyScoresRaoraPantheraFC 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Also MORE BASSET HORN