Mike used to play drums in my band and he was the only drummer we found who could handle it. He had both precision and speed. I'm a fan of old Fear Factory, but this stuff is easy for Mike.Glad he's living the dream!
That's the thing. Mike wants to respect the robotic feel that FF has always had. He could cover this song with extra notes, flourishes everywhere and complex fills, etc. but he chooses not to because it isn't what's right for these songs. Fear Factory have never had very complicated drumming to begin with... the drums are supposed to be mechanical. That's the whole vibe of Fear Factory. Like seriously... his work in Malignancy is as creative as it gets in death metal.
Any actual drummer, should have nothing but the most respect for Mike, watch his own material. One of the ONLY deathmetal guys that fluently incorporates jazz in his work.
nah dude, Mike is one of the best metal drummers, and probably the best bdm drummer with lille gruber. But no, he does not incorporate jazz in his playing at all, nor does he have a background in jazz, whatsoever. Although his chops in metal are second to none.
He really is one of the best drummers in metal right now. Also, to the dude who called him "weak"... how the hell can you call Mike weak while not even mentioning Ray? Seriously, Kerry King more or less confirmed that Ray was utterly incapable of playing without triggers.
I can see that the almost FF drumming technuques; at least on Snares, cymbals, hihats, some toms. At playings it's almost simple or easy ( maybe ) But about the Drumming bases; here is the real deal and the difficult task of this. It resides the actual complexity meaning of the Machine. After on watching at Raymond's playing his stuff. And now with this another Drummer. I can see this on that way. Interesting style and technique of what makes Fear Factory's unique inside at the drumming department. Maybe, if Gene Hoglan took a little more time, and more FF albums at the making. Maybe it would added a lot of ghosts techniques at the snares and toms. And of course; including the complexity from the drumming bases.
I agree w u here. his feet technique is fantastic. Hands? Ok-ish. He would suit fear factory as blasts are there, but it isn't the core of their drumming proposition..
Cheers for the shout on Malignacy. I liked what I saw on a couple of occasions. Fast and suits that band really well. He felt a lot more relaxed as opposed to the uncomfortable, uptight feel now at FF. Regarding first point, I see your point here too. FF is all about this man vs machine and the intention is to bring that feel to the music. However, both Hoglan and Ray were precise and tight, but were playing drums- and seemed alive. In my opinion, drums are much more than being fast. cheers m8
Yeah, Malignancy rules! That's fair, though. I personally don't hear whatever you are but that's just a matter of different ears I guess. Such is life. Raymond created the FF sound in general so he's obviously the best at it but he's not gonna be coming back any time soon. Mike does a fine job imo. And, I definitely agree with there being far more to drumming than mere speed-- so does Mike ;)
errrr... are you kidding me? As far as his actual bass drum playing goes he kicks like a freaking mule... and everything he does in general is really powerful, only during backbeats he doesn't hit inordinately hard because if you do that, your quieter/faster playing is always significantly harder to hear from the audience's perspective. And Samus is the drummer of Decrepit Birth... kind of a big deal.
You're right. He sounds shit. And I LOVE this band. "Your mother" has a lake as a profile pic? Yeah ok, you've won somehow! LOL. RodneyBass74... do you think that he's literally "growling" for 30 years? I think you've shown who the idiot is.
He is technically very good and I imagine he will sound amazing in the next studio album.. He looks boring, though. Tim Yeung would be a better fit there in my opinion
Based on a lot of comments (and being FF fan) I just listened to the whole new album a few times and i have to say... Mike must be awesome technically to play that. My comments were that i dislike his style of playing.. Being honest, i dislike most death metal drummers' styles. I like fast double bass.. but dislike those guys playing like they're thinking about how much to bid for XMEN miniatures on eBay..
Doesn't do the accents in the beginning like on the record, or when they repeat most of the time. Super lolz at the end where Burt attempts to go high.
Yeah, he's definitely good at what he does, but is he FF status? To put it lightly... No. I feel like I could play the oldies much tighter than what he's done. And my writing style (yes, i'm a drummer that writes, don't judge) is definitely stuff that most guitarists I play with cannot keep up with, so with confidence, I say I'd be a better fit for them. :D
Kerry King is full of shit as usual. Raymond refused to join Slayer when they asked him, so that upset precious King Kerry, how dare he! Have you not seen a video of Ray playing live? He plays hard as fuck. I miss him being in FF for that reason. Put this in youtube search: Fear Factory Self Bias Resistor Live (HQ VERSION) Clinton IA 4/28/01 Enjoy.
The fact that I don't have a video uploaded doesn't mean anything. I actually have a life, you see (wife, good job, graduated, friends, travel, festivals/gigs, financial comfort..). You'll get there one day! I was EXACTLY like you in my early 20s and I'm glad I changed- more so now. see you in 15 years mate! BTW, get some Trick/axis pedals.. these eliminators are shit- ur wasting ur time..
Cheers, mate! Yes it would be nice seeing Ray back in. ain't gonna happen anytime soon. BTW, I went to see them live on Thursday (London) and I've got to say this was the worse FF gig Ive watched in my life. Fucking boring gig: bad vocals (Burton isn't great live, but this something else), bad drumming (bad sync, missing details on songs, boring).. Dino and Matt saved the night.. Now I can confidently defend my earlier arguments.. No more Live FF to me until they change Mike. Liked Malignacy tho
Boring to watch doesn't reflect on his actual playing at all, though... Mike would slay Yeung in anything, too... and he actually beat Samus for the spot in Fear Factory haha. (Samus got 2nd)
If this was the guy on drums for Malignancy when they opened up for Suffocation in Clifton, NJ back in around 2005, it was one of the worst performances. Not only was the band terrible with no changes in tempo, the drummer played the same beat for the whole show. That was one of the below average metal bands I've seen live.
Raymond was pretty mediocre tbh. I've seen FF with Raymond, Hoglan and Mike drumming and the band has never sounded tighter than they've done the past 3 years with Hoglan and Mike. Before then it was pretty sloppy tbh, just watch the Wacken vids from 2006. Oh and btw, watch?v=gmItSbJLkRM This clip floors anything Hoglan and Raymond ever did. EVER.
Not boring to watch.. boring in general. take the triggers off and you have nothing. my old grandma beats harder than him. he is technical..i can see that, but that isn't sufficient in my opinion. i stress the fact this is my opinion.. PS: who the hell is Samus? Don't tell me he is that TH-cam guy? come on
Mike isn't even playing his own parts here. You know this doesn't represent what he's capable of... His drum parts with Malignancy smear just about any other metal drummer all over the floor.
Mike used to play drums in my band and he was the only drummer we found who could handle it. He had both precision and speed. I'm a fan of old Fear Factory, but this stuff is easy for Mike.Glad he's living the dream!
in the search bar on TH-cam, put in "Mike Heller - Malignancy - Rehearsal Drum Cam"
THAT is what Heller is really capable of
2:50 - 3:00 Burton C. Bell's marching to the groove :)
i'm in the top left corner! such an amazing show!
That's the thing. Mike wants to respect the robotic feel that FF has always had. He could cover this song with extra notes, flourishes everywhere and complex fills, etc. but he chooses not to because it isn't what's right for these songs.
Fear Factory have never had very complicated drumming to begin with... the drums are supposed to be mechanical. That's the whole vibe of Fear Factory.
Like seriously... his work in Malignancy is as creative as it gets in death metal.
I love the new Meinl Classics Custom Extreme Metals!
...and in the background, I can hear Burton destroying the chorus as usual, I'm so sorry for his voice!
dont be mean
Any actual drummer, should have nothing but the most respect for Mike, watch his own material. One of the ONLY deathmetal guys that fluently incorporates jazz in his work.
nah dude, Mike is one of the best metal drummers, and probably the best bdm drummer with lille gruber. But no, he does not incorporate jazz in his playing at all, nor does he have a background in jazz, whatsoever. Although his chops in metal are second to none.
@@jamisonandrewmanhorvaththe1124 Type Zero Civilisation by Malignancy certainly sounds jazzy, but I wouldn't know in any case.
@@bloodaxisType Zero Civ shows Mike has chops, as does every song on Inhuman Grotesqueries and Eugenics, but he has no jazz influence in his playing.
He really is one of the best drummers in metal right now. Also, to the dude who called him "weak"... how the hell can you call Mike weak while not even mentioning Ray? Seriously, Kerry King more or less confirmed that Ray was utterly incapable of playing without triggers.
amazing mike
Not really a "contest" but yeah, he was asked to audition as well.
I love how everyone is shitting on Heller's looks while he's performing flawlessly while Burton's sounding like a terrible karaoke cover
I can see that the almost FF drumming technuques; at least on Snares, cymbals, hihats, some toms. At playings it's almost simple or easy ( maybe )
But about the Drumming bases; here is the real deal and the difficult task of this. It resides the actual complexity meaning of the Machine.
After on watching at Raymond's playing his stuff. And now with this another Drummer. I can see this on that way.
Interesting style and technique of what makes Fear Factory's unique inside at the drumming department.
Maybe, if Gene Hoglan took a little more time, and more FF albums at the making. Maybe it would added a lot of ghosts techniques at the snares and toms. And of course; including the complexity from the drumming bases.
Make sure they search for Fear Factory Live at Hamburg 1998
mike is by far one of the best drummers iv'e seen play death metal go check out malignancy.
He is not weak and playing whats on ff's cd here
I agree w u here. his feet technique is fantastic. Hands? Ok-ish. He would suit fear factory as blasts are there, but it isn't the core of their drumming proposition..
gnarly tight
Cheers for the shout on Malignacy. I liked what I saw on a couple of occasions. Fast and suits that band really well. He felt a lot more relaxed as opposed to the uncomfortable, uptight feel now at FF.
Regarding first point, I see your point here too. FF is all about this man vs machine and the intention is to bring that feel to the music. However, both Hoglan and Ray were precise and tight, but were playing drums- and seemed alive. In my opinion, drums are much more than being fast. cheers m8
look up Malignancy now. same drummer
Yeah, Malignancy rules!
That's fair, though. I personally don't hear whatever you are but that's just a matter of different ears I guess. Such is life. Raymond created the FF sound in general so he's obviously the best at it but he's not gonna be coming back any time soon. Mike does a fine job imo.
And, I definitely agree with there being far more to drumming than mere speed-- so does Mike ;)
Great
Wtf happend to ray herrera?
yes, very aware
Heller=Metal
Go look him up with System Divide and Malignancy.
Every drummer plays softer when they are playing fast, triggers or not, otherwise you'd exhaust yourself quickly.
I saw him on the industrialist tour couldn’t play hoglands parts broke snare drum head middle of song
errrr... are you kidding me? As far as his actual bass drum playing goes he kicks like a freaking mule... and everything he does in general is really powerful, only during backbeats he doesn't hit inordinately hard because if you do that, your quieter/faster playing is always significantly harder to hear from the audience's perspective.
And Samus is the drummer of Decrepit Birth... kind of a big deal.
still the same drummer that could only play a slayer beat when they opened for Suffocation and everyone around me said the same thing
Where the hell is Gene Hoglan?
Can you apologise for Burton's vocals too please?
+Paul McNally Only if you apologise for that gay mask.
+Paul McNally try growling for 30 years,idiot
You're right. He sounds shit. And I LOVE this band. "Your mother" has a lake as a profile pic? Yeah ok, you've won somehow! LOL. RodneyBass74... do you think that he's literally "growling" for 30 years? I think you've shown who the idiot is.
agreed
He is technically very good and I imagine he will sound amazing in the next studio album.. He looks boring, though. Tim Yeung would be a better fit there in my opinion
your mum is boring
There is no metal drummer better than this guy.
Based on a lot of comments (and being FF fan) I just listened to the whole new album a few times and i have to say... Mike must be awesome technically to play that. My comments were that i dislike his style of playing.. Being honest, i dislike most death metal drummers' styles. I like fast double bass.. but dislike those guys playing like they're thinking about how much to bid for XMEN miniatures on eBay..
His kicks is what we mean, I think. Ray's one of those players who really gently taps his kick drum and relies on the triggers for any sound.
Doesn't do the accents in the beginning like on the record, or when they repeat most of the time.
Super lolz at the end where Burt attempts to go high.
I miss Raymond Herrera.
Why
@@patientmental875 Because he owes me money, nigga, that's why.
come on, mate..
Yeah, he's definitely good at what he does, but is he FF status? To put it lightly... No. I feel like I could play the oldies much tighter than what he's done. And my writing style (yes, i'm a drummer that writes, don't judge) is definitely stuff that most guitarists I play with cannot keep up with, so with confidence, I say I'd be a better fit for them. :D
Ankles
No, I'm actually entirely serious.
i can't hear the goddamn bass pedal. wtf is this?
Kerry King is full of shit as usual. Raymond refused to join Slayer when they asked him, so that upset precious King Kerry, how dare he!
Have you not seen a video of Ray playing live? He plays hard as fuck. I miss him being in FF for that reason. Put this in youtube search: Fear Factory Self Bias Resistor Live (HQ VERSION) Clinton IA 4/28/01
Enjoy.
Hmmm, i don't like it. Call Hoglan or Kevin Talley ;)
Heller teachs other successful drummers, so how is he weak in any way? Listen to his own material and bern blown away! I dare ya
The fact that I don't have a video uploaded doesn't mean anything. I actually have a life, you see (wife, good job, graduated, friends, travel, festivals/gigs, financial comfort..). You'll get there one day! I was EXACTLY like you in my early 20s and I'm glad I changed- more so now. see you in 15 years mate! BTW, get some Trick/axis pedals.. these eliminators are shit- ur wasting ur time..
Are you even aware of what you're saying ?
Cheers, mate! Yes it would be nice seeing Ray back in. ain't gonna happen anytime soon. BTW, I went to see them live on Thursday (London) and I've got to say this was the worse FF gig Ive watched in my life. Fucking boring gig: bad vocals (Burton isn't great live, but this something else), bad drumming (bad sync, missing details on songs, boring).. Dino and Matt saved the night.. Now I can confidently defend my earlier arguments.. No more Live FF to me until they change Mike.
Liked Malignacy tho
Boring to watch doesn't reflect on his actual playing at all, though...
Mike would slay Yeung in anything, too... and he actually beat Samus for the spot in Fear Factory haha. (Samus got 2nd)
If this was the guy on drums for Malignancy when they opened up for Suffocation in Clifton, NJ back in around 2005, it was one of the worst performances. Not only was the band terrible with no changes in tempo, the drummer played the same beat for the whole show. That was one of the below average metal bands I've seen live.
no drums can cover the fact that burton c. bell can not sing in tune...wtf...
Raymond was pretty mediocre tbh. I've seen FF with Raymond, Hoglan and Mike drumming and the band has never sounded tighter than they've done the past 3 years with Hoglan and Mike. Before then it was pretty sloppy tbh, just watch the Wacken vids from 2006.
Oh and btw, watch?v=gmItSbJLkRM
This clip floors anything Hoglan and Raymond ever did. EVER.
Not boring to watch.. boring in general. take the triggers off and you have nothing. my old grandma beats harder than him. he is technical..i can see that, but that isn't sufficient in my opinion. i stress the fact this is my opinion..
PS: who the hell is Samus? Don't tell me he is that TH-cam guy? come on
how to make a great song boring. and those trash can lids... terrible. 66samus crushes this song.
Mike isn't even playing his own parts here. You know this doesn't represent what he's capable of... His drum parts with Malignancy smear just about any other metal drummer all over the floor.
Raymond was good....Gene Hoglan was superior.
tried... didn't like. my taste- sorry mate
Boringggg 😪😪😴😴