Brexit: UK tells EU ‘significant change’ to Northern Ireland Protocol needed to eliminate checks
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- The government is demanding "significant changes" to the Northern Ireland Protocol, the deal that Boris Johnson signed with the EU in 2019 to govern trade in Northern Ireland after Brexit.
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Brexit Minister Lord Frost said he was holding back from triggering a formal dispute with the EU, even though it would be justified because of the disruption and instability that the current arrangements were causing in Northern Ireland.
The EU has given a cool response, insisting that it will not renegotiate the protocol.
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I told my bank that "significant changes" need to be made to my mortgage contract because it's unsustainable that I have to pay to live in my own house.
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha
You know you are allowed to do that right. You can renegotiate your mortgage for a number of reasons including if there is a major recession and mortgage payments aren't plausible. You're making it sound like this never happens. Renegotiating an agreement when the agreement is t working is the sensible thing to do
@@edojaalexander yeah, and you a whimsical customer has leverage with a bank? Don't be a fool, rejoin!
@@edojaalexander and the bank can refuse to renegotiate if six years of costly negotiations have already taken place.
@@richards4219 damn straight, or become the 51st state
It seems that Boris has as much respect of trade deals, that he signed, as he does to marriage vows
that statement could apply as equally to the e.u as well.
@@brucewayne7838 I think Mrs EU might have something to say about that
So let’s get this right this idiot Boris eats the cake and doesn’t like it so he wants someone else’s cake and doesn’t want to pay for it he’s an idiot and everyone knows he’s an idiot but they vote him and his team in to do more idiot things first chance I get I’m out of here
@@brucewayne7838 Not really. Where did EU not respect agreements it signed?
That doesn`t seem a very bright idea: Just sign whatever treaties ... do not not honor them if you don`t feel like it... The new "global Britain" ...who in the world would want to cut a deal with such a ridiculously unreliable bunch?
Didn't they say it was a great deal. Didn't they signed it? What a joke this government.
:)
Incredible, Frost admits that the protocol was rushed! Remember the EU offered multiple times to extend the transition period. How can he expect the EU now to understand the "extraordinary circumstances" the UK voluntarily and purposefully created?
Yeah but he had to play to the dumb brexiters. They want total ruin for the country, the quicker the better.
@Leroy Jenkins v3.0 We obviously see this completely differently then, I can't understand why you think that and you can't understand why I think what I do. No point arguing, brexit has become a religion and nothing bad must be said about it....meh
@Leroy Jenkins v3.0 I'd argue not, simply looking at all the bad things that have happened and making a reasoned decision that staying would have been less hassle and better for the economy is simply being pragmatic. On the other hand, brexit is purely ideological.
@Leroy Jenkins v3.0 Pie in the sky. Nothing wrong with the customs union as we had similar or higher standards, in fact no one wanted out of the customs union, Boris, Frage all said leaving it wouldn't be ideal. We can sign our own trade deals but only as one country, we don't have the power of being 27 unified countries anymore and this shows, not one deal we have signed so far is better than what we had previously. Out of all the laws and regulations made within the EU, over 2/3rds of them went our way which is very good, it's ridiculous to expect them to all go our way. And you say substitution away from 'expensive' eu produce? Wow, we aren't really substituting anything at the moment which is part of the reason why there are shortages and what we have substituted is of lower potential quality. Control of borders and labour supply...ok we are now controlling labour supply and can't find enough workers for whole swathes of industry....seems to be working great. And the borders still have illegals coming which you will never stop, all you've stopped is workers coming over here. You do know that in 2006 we made a law backed by the rest of the EU that said we could deport immigrants after 3 months if they didn't find work? I don't blame you if you haven't because seemingly the government didn't even know because they never used it. All growth rates at the moment are all over the place because of covid and before you say it, the vaccines we bought we bought while still in the EU. When you say remoaners predicted, you do realise we aren't a hive mind? I am a remoaner as you put it and I never thought there'd be that many job losses. We'll see the full damage in the coming years; farmers forced to lower standards to compete, more fishermen going out of business because Boris didn't think to build the tanks over here to clean the shellfish even though he said he was going for no deal and had 5 years to plan etc. Let me know when bosses start paying better wages to entice lazy british workers to do the jobs that hard working immigrants once did because it aint happened yet. NOTHING brexiters predicted has happened 'exactly' as you put it.
@Leroy Jenkins v3.01. Of course we are in control, that was always going to happen once we left, I'm arguing we had enough control before and it worked better. Problem is, now the UK government isn't accountable to anyone and I certainly don't trust them to put the everyday persons interests first.
2. I don't see how you think the city is thriving, we don't have equivilency for a start and there is more pain to come with the Lugano converntion issues.
3. Jobs have been lost, I don't know the figures but are you seriously saying that everything's going swimmingly? Even if you're right, it's not a brexit bonus, it's just saying 'well, not as bad as we thought'.
4. I assumr you mean the 3.6% mean increase in wages. Nothing special there, in fact it's pretty bad overall, we've had higher wage increases when we were in the EU.
5. Of course domestic demand will increase if we can't get what we used to from the continent, this is the only 'benefit' but I put it in qoutes because it's a natural outcome and a lot of those businesses have also lost a tonne of business to the EU which we obviously won't be able to make up.
6.Why are you classing that market as a more profitable one than the EU? Overall exports to non EU countries are still below pre covid levels so that would suggest that brexit has had little to no effect either way on sales....it's definitely had an effect on sales to the EU though, that being negative. Another thing people like you keep going on about is the defecit. We had a defecit with the EU because we don't maufacture a lot, that is nothing to do with the EU.
7. What expensive euro products? It certainly isn't cars.
8.So we've ditched open borders and now workers can't get in and it does nothing to stop illegals. I fail to see a benefit there.
9. We got such a good trade deal that it has caused turmoil in NI and we can't sell the majority of what we used to to the EU. Would have helped if Bozo would have actually read it.
10. The euro military is questionable and not really anything to do with brexit. Because it doesn't exist yet or might not ever, there is no way to know anything about it.
11. I see what you did there, but I can see it for what it's worth. We are spending lots of money to prop up dying businesses. State aid is never a good thing. On the other hand we have lost hundreds of millions of money the EU gave us and Doris has done zero to make up for that.
We are worse off and it's costing us more than it ever did when we were in the EU. Even if bosses did start paying english workers more, you're assuming that these people will be any good and all it will do is up prices across the board. I do like your optimism but the UKgovernment has an awful track record so I think it's misplaced. The thing that got me interested in brexit was all the fanciful things that I knew couldn't be true that the brexiters were coming out with, if they would have been honest and said, 'Ok, it's about freedom but things won't be as easy', at the very least I would hve respected them more.
Stand firm EU, this government is finished, just put your foot on there wind pipe.
They know it. They just need to play their cards right. Wait for the right time.
don't worry the EU will. The protocol ain't going anywhere
@Leroy Jenkins v3.0 keep telling yourself that lad, this is the last thing brexiteers have got to hang onto, funny how UK fisherman UK farmers sovereignty and making our own laws don't get mentioned anymore, maybe its because the remoaners were bang on the money!! Give it 10 years of this disastrous brexit and ENGLAND (as there won't be a UK) will be begging to be let back in and the EU will make them dance for money like the big daft dancing bears that they are!!!
@Leroy Jenkins v3.0 The EU looks to have more life in it than Brexit Britain.
@Leroy Jenkins v3.0 Covid may have something to do with that.
So basically they never intended to follow the protocol..
Absolutely right. It would have been bad enough if Johnson had decided retrospectively that he wasn't going to respect the protocol. But he knew full well when he signed it that he no intention of respecting it. He even told concerned Tory MPs that he would not be enacting the measures set out in the protocol, to ensure that they voted for the deal.
Yeah, pretty clearly that was the plan. I am guessing the calculus in Downing Street was that tje EU would never actually demand Ireland put up custom checks at the NI border which would be the most obvious response to the UK not carrying out the protocol agreements. The Tory base loves fighting with the EU, and the chance of the dispute leading to a hard border in NI was essentially non-existent, so politically it made sense to just not follow the protocol.
However I don't think the UK government foresaw the EU response which was not to respond in Ireland at all, but instead get all the countries to agree to kick the UK out of the Lugano Convention. Economically that's pretty horrible for the UK, as that particular legal service sector is really lucrative for the UK and the PM himself had said staying in the convention was important. It was a surprising show of solidarity in the EU because everyone liked using the UK for those legal services.
I think it shows that there is a great deal of solidarity within the EU to protect it's small members like Ireland.
To be clear: these difficulties flow from implementation of the Protocol - not ‘failure’ to implement it. We have problems precisely because we are imposing customs checks, not because we aren’t. (David Frost)
>> "...it would be justified because of the disruption and instability that the current arrangements were causing..."
Excuse me? A dispute with the EU because last year the EU gave them what they asked for?
... hold on, it was boris who proposed it... and he signed it just a few months ago.... now he's saying he didn't understand it? What a fool.
Exactly!
At least in this case, he‘s not lying.
@Razor Mouth And they had time since the beginning of the brexit proposal to think about what deal they want for NI. You may expect that the British government was fully informed by their advisors about all consequences of the NIP when they signed it, so there really is no excuse or necessity to renegotiate anything.
ALWAYS SAID BORIS WAS A DORIS HE DOSENT KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON THANK GOD WE ARE NOT AT WAR
@@kennethvine7397 We won't be, EU won't attack and you are in NATO as well as much if not all of the EU, if you pull out of NATO, the government will collapse and I'd be willing to bet that the queen will deny the exit of UK from NATO.
Remember every single tory MP voted for this..
No wonder british cuisine has such a bad reputation if this is what they call "oven ready".
😅
Did ever Britain have a cuisine of its own??? :-ooooo
@@juguez1 probably cottage pie and fish ‘n chips 😂
:)
@@grandomega1217 Chips is Belgian frites.
Of course it could be changed if the UK government would be honest and reliable partners. But we are not. I totally understand the EU
"You made your bed, now lie in it."
How can it be changed the protocol agreement is the only solution
@Leroy Jenkins v3.0 Partially true.
The EU been doing this before Brexit and before UK even thought to leave the EU, in fact, UK made some of those "Competitive" rules and regulations.
Of course they would push for a boarder, you need to protect the market of both UK and EU. As you know Ireland is currently part of EU and Northern Ireland is part of UK, if you don't have borders between UK and EU then goods can be transported illegally, compromising the market.
@Leroy Jenkins v3.0 Toss the agreement?
Why you agreed to it in the first place if it was a bad agreement?
By the way UK wrote it 👍
If UK does that then there's no way they can secure any trade with any respectable country/union.
Absorbed by exporters?
Many companies are going bankrupt already, only the big ones will survive bigger tariffs on goods.
Shelves are already empty and there are no lorry drivers.
@Leroy Jenkins v3.0
Yes, Germany's exports to UK are down, was expected, BUT as a whole, Germany's both exports and imports grow a lot this year.
Sorry, UK didn't wrote the whole agreement but they did win like 70-80% of the whole thing so overall everything went in UK's favour even your PM said "IT'S A GREAT DEAL!"
But now it's not.
Quite funny
The UK government is like an unscrupulous man who foolishly divorces his wealthy EU wife, and then wants to sue her because he has become impoverished...🇬🇧🇪🇺🤷🏾♂️
To be clear: these difficulties flow from implementation of the Protocol - not ‘failure’ to implement it. We have problems precisely because we are imposing customs checks, not because we aren’t. (David Frost)
But he signed it, didn't he?
He didn't read it? Or he didn't understand it?
What is wrong with that man?
He stated that it's a good deal but now he's saying it's not good anymore
It was good enough to get him into downing street and keeping is "promise" to get brexit done... but now, with the consequences clearly visable, it's not.
Bojo the wonderclown will do anything that helps him in short term and thinks he can BS himelf through anything that follows.
Are the British public truly aware of how totally ridiculous their governing politicians are making the nation look in the eyes of the rest of the world?
About 40% are. Another 40% will always externalise blame for all British problems onto others and see no issue with the way Johnson and Co conduct themselves. The remaining 20% aren't paying attention.
Lord Frost takes one foot out of his mouth to put the other one.
London unelected bureaucrats are an embarrassment. Every city in Britain should declare independence.
😂😂😂
You want to say that there should not be existing group of country named United Kingdom. 😂
Here in Ireland (the North) we are quite happy with the protocol. We voted to stay in EU by a large majority and we get best of both worlds now. Any good we don't get from England we get from the South anyway its no big deal. Loyalists are just frightened that Britain is abandoning them but that's inevitable imo. Boris proper lied to them tho but everyone knew he was bluffing them.
WELL SAID
Precise, everything NI needs can be supplied by ROI. For cultists, this may be hard to accept but this is REALITY (project fear)
General election in the north needed them. Make it a referendum on the protocol
The people should be happy. The Scots voted to stay by a greater margin, and requested a similar deal but were denied. While there is a big difference between NI and Scotland, its a fact that we are the only one of the 4 home nations whose people never got what they voted for.
Boris lied to everyone, but half of England couldn't, or didn't want to see it.
The UK has never been a united kingdom, and never will be.
Saor Alba!
@@patrickdoyle9304 because referendums work out really well in the UK
And once more BoJo‘s circus is behaving like a bunch of clowns.
How is it possible to trust BoJo and all UK unelected bureaucrats? 😎😀👍🙈😎
Imagine someone who was buying your house suddenly said the contract they already signed and exchanged needed to be significantly changed to be better for them.
United Ireland is Inevitable #Think32 🇮🇪
Im irish and it really upsets me just how much people in the UK didn't even think for one second how badly Brexit would effect Ireland.
While so many Brexiters wanted to leave for immigration reasons, we in Ireland were looking at how scary and dangerous this would be for us.
We in Ireland tried for a very very long time to get some sort of peace on this island but then despite the fact Northern Ireland voted to stay it got pulled out of the EU.
Now there is riots, talks of terrorist actions from certain groups.
The peace we worked so hard and so long to build is falling apart because of Brexiters ignorance.
I'm not saying there isn't any good points to leaving, I'm sure their are some, but the fact you play so fast and loose with our fragile piece without a care in the world is just sickening.
Grow a pair ya big woman ye...
But why are you posing as an Irish citizen, when clearly by your grammar and spelling, you're one of those flute blowers out making a racket in those housing estates.
No ones afraid except the Loyalists lol
Ireland needs a piece of peace ✌️
Most of us in Ireland are happy with the deal. The protocol is fine we get goods from the rest of Ireland instead now. Loyalists are fearful of Dublin take back but at least Dublin cares.
@@bc8359 You complain about, "Grammar and spelling" But you wrote, "Grow a pair YA big woman ye...". What kind of spelling is that?
And, what are "no ones"?
@@bc8359 I have dyslexia if you must know.
They made a deal with Norway but wanted changes, no deal.
They made a deal with Ukraine and now want changes.
They signed a great deal with the EU, now it's not a great deal.
There is a pattern here.
Boris intentionally acts and presents himself as a baffoon. In every manner possible.
I'm sure he does that because he believes his constituents are fat, pie faced slobs like himself, and that's his way of appealing to them.
Hes very clever.he knows people dont like the truth
Hes not your cuddly uncle hes not even boris hes a very dsngerous sociopath
Looks like the EU holds all the cards after all. I secretly wish the EU goes WTO so that brexiteers finally understand what it means 😂
I have seen the cards held by the brexiters. grandma‘s kitten postcards ...
Why would you want that...like the result or not, surely you want it to be a success?
@@timsouthall6327 Making ourselves irrelevant and untrustworthy on the world stage is all Brexit achieves. There is nothing successful about that.
@@RandomizedRambler give me a break. Literally nothing changed since Brexit
@Leroy Jenkins v3.0 quit thinking that the UK market is irreplaceable... its not that special. 27 countries can afford to lose 1 market... it's those who think that the other way around was a good idea who need their heads checked out.
lolololol
they basically are saying they want back into the EU and start leaving again....lol
the loyalists, those that supported boris, are the worst hit by boris.....ole
"Take back control", "Get Brexit done", "Oven ready deal"... Joke's on you BoJo voters!
Well jokes on all of us really, if not more on Boris’s opposition as we can’t even better this clown with an alternative
I only didn't like your comment because it has 69 likes, and i won't be ruining this.
@@timokohler6631 102 likes right now... someone else spoiled it.
@@glennbrennan7999 Alternative : Stay in the EU single market and customs union.
@@damiaanspatrick2050 To late for that buddy.
Wait a minute... if the EU have interpreted it wrong, why is it the UK government asking it to be changed? This must mean that in its current form, the rules which are being upheld are not what UK want. But if they're being upheld, then its the UK government who are interpreting it wrong, isnt it?
Of course, if you probably didnt read the agreement before you signed it, youre a prat.
This is what our PM signed up for... the trouble is, in his haste to "Get Brexit Done" he didn't either read or understand the detail of what he was signing. Even his most ardent supporters have always claimed that "Boris doesn't "do" detail"
I don't believe he read the deal, he just left it to the last minute. The Ukraine deal (copy and paste), the Australia deal, the Japan deal. Which of these will be torn up in a huff.....I doubt they could negotiate a decent phone contract🙄
@@Disco45
Haha! Probably not
@D M
After all that expensive education too....
@@Disco45 when they try to negociate a phone contract they end up buying a failed satellite company to replace Galileo...
We cannot ignore EU hostility at this time. To name a few we have the mess in Northern Ireland, talk of Spanish troops right on Gibraltar's doorstep, Attacks on AstraZeneca's vaccine, UK travel bans & attempts to redeploy Euro 2020 Wembley matches. All of that domestic and foreign money generation must have made them sick to their stomachs.
Not quite sure how overreliance on Pfizer will work out against the Delta Covid variant. Research has since found that both Pfizer and AstraZeneca are most highly effective against this variant. How on earth will they avoid yet another lockdown with global vaccine supply already severely constrained? Guess Australia will pass through this storm first.
Fair enough, most knew that the Northern Ireland protocol was bad news. However, let us not forget, "the clock is ticking" - Michel Barnier 2018. The intention was always to hasten UK's decision making. Simply cannot blame Boris for not reading the fine print when faced with the hardest of Brexit's and a clock that stopped ticking. We can thank Theresa May for not taking a harder stance earlier on. By all indications Boris does a far better job.
Almost forgot to mention France turning a blind eye to boat crossings. The fact is that the UK has left project EU. We will eventually make full recovery, shaking off any rust. Undermining our sovereignty is unacceptable at any level and should not be tolerated. EU cannot win the argument on Northern Ireland. We only need wait. Possibly, the most ignored point of Project Fear is that we can always renegotiate.
Who would've thought Brexit would be this difficult? (well apart from 16,141,241 people)
But the simpletons/brexiteers thought it was going to be so easy. Boris said so.
Most of them didn't think it would win, and if it would win, they wouldn't do it, and if they would do it, it wouldn't be this stupid.
I doubt most people in the UK had any idea or even thought that northern ireland was the biggest problem with brexit. But we here in Ireland knew it would be well before the referendum.
@@Firefoxfifty Most people in the UK didn't know we have a land border with the EU, in fact many of them still don't know. Unfortunately there's no cure for stupid!
Seemed like a significant part of the world was somewhat astounded.
Their sense of entitlement is only rivaled but their sheer idiocy.
Treaties evolve over time, but usually it takes a bit more than 3 weeks.
Brexit talks have been going on for years!!!
@@susanharrisdemorales3446 Yeah, that's clear. What you think it has to do with what I have said is the puzzler.
@@bremCZ no the real puzzler is that anyone reading this can see how her statement relates to yours
just not how your statement relates to reality?
@@silaw7413 I'm sure that is a puzzler for a certain group of people.
@@silaw7413
You can have talks for a hundred years yet have no deal. When you have a deal you can start talks to change it but not change the deal without an agreement.
"We will take back control of our borders"
Well ,not THAT border ....
Rubbish. You signed an agreement. Now do as you agreed and stop whinging.
I think I am paying too much for my car loan. I'm going back to the bank to demand better terms!
How can you possibly assign someone with the task to negotiate a deal if he is uncapable of understanding what he negotiates and recommends to his boss who then claims it is wonderful and makes him a Lord for his great achievement and THEN send him back to more negotiations when he admitted he did not understand what he did?
You are being a little naïve if you think they didn't understand their obligations under the agreement. Its not ignorance, its negotiating in bad faith.
This is simple, the English Conservatives and the right wing voted England out of the EU. Due to English overwhelming majority figures dragged other parts of the UK out of the EU without consent. This was insane and now the UK will suffer because of right wing english nationalism.
Don't forget the party is called the conservative and unionist party, many forget this detail..
@@mollflanders9184 Indeed :)
@@mollflanders9184 Yeah and the Scots haven't given them a majority for 75 years, yet they call this democracy.
This Brexit has proven that the United Kingdom is anything but United.
Well done Channel 4 for covering this item professionally, unlike the rest of mainstream media who refuse to rock the boat.
Reason why they want channel 4 gone
Imagine signing a deal for say auto parts a signed deal and deciding six months later you're not going to live up to the deal that is unbelievable
So the UK did not want to extend the negotiation period and now argue that there was not enough time....
There would have been no point extending it more. It would have extended forever. It's a bit like extending covid lockdown. The virus is here to stay.
Delta variant? Next time there'll be a gamma variant, a zeta variant, an omega variant. It's gonna go on forever. At some point you have to make the decision to stop and to move on.
Now the argument is different. It's an argument from experience, now that we see the problems that resulted from the current arrangement between Northern Ireland and Great Britain. You couldn't have predicted what would happen in reality. But now that we see it doesn't work, it must change. It's one United Kingdom. Not one Great Britain and "something else"
The epitome of 'cakeism'!
@@marcustomas7669 okayyyy, German
@@marioluigi9599 Ciao ragazzo
" As British Prime Minister it is my duty to dig myself into holes and expect the EU to get me out of them. "
EU look out for them self's why should we be any different.
@@bigafrojames One can't dispute that Boris Johnson is looking after himself. The question is who is looking after our interests and in NI the "we" is the essential problem.
@@jbspanish9534 Northern Ireland IS the uk. It doesn't belong to the EU. You are Spanish? Imagine if one part of your country is still governed by EU rules... even when you have already left the EU. It's simply not acceptable.
Northern Ireland must be a FULL part of the UK. And the border between it and between the ROI must remain open because of historical reasons, which date back many many decades, LOOONG before the EU even existed.
This is a historical problem. The EU must deal with it, itself. The EU can't just put a border in Ireland or in the Irish Sea. This is simply not acceptable due to very pressing historical reasons, which the EU must respect.
@@marioluigi9599 They negotiated this for 5 years, this is the solution that came up that were acceptable to everybody. At the outset everybody agreed that There can't be a border on the Island of Ireland. That is the one thing that was hewn in stone. The rest could be negotiated, the EU basically gave the UK 2 options, either you stay in the Single Market, or you put a border in the Irish Sea, the UK Government chose to put a border on the Irish Sea, this is totally fine, it was their choice to make.
You're probably right that no other nation would accept to put an external border within their own country... But the UK did that, they signed on the dotted line. That's their choice, and now it's their problem. This is a done deal, there is no negotiating it, there is only the UK fulfilling the deal they made.
If the UK invokes Article 16 then the EU should simply retaliate and put a 200% tariff on any goods coming across the channel. Britain is more dependent on the EU than EU is dependent on Britain. And Now Britain must honour it's International obligations that they agreed to, which is the Northern Ireland Protocol. You can't just take out a loan and buy a £2M house, and 4 months later decide that you get to keep the house but you don't have to pay the mortgage on the loan, that's not how contracts work.
"The EU can't just put a border in Ireland or in the Irish Sea."
No they can't. That's a decision that only the UK can make for itself... which is precisely what they did. They spent the better part of 5 years negotiating a deal and this is what they decided on. The UK can absolutely make the decision to put a border in the Irish Sea, and that's exactly what they did
"which the EU must respect."
The EU is under no obligations to respect anything, they are not a signatory to the Belfast Agreement. The UK on the other hand as a signatory of the Belfast Agreement must respect it and can't put a border on the Island of Ireland, so it didn't. It instead chose to put it in the Irish Sea.
@@marioluigi9599 are you saying that the EU commission kept a gun to Boris Johnsons Head and forced him to Sign. Or is it so that English voters are'nt smart to elect a Smart candidate. Boris Johnson bragged about holding all the cards. He could have just walked away.
Talking about that treaties develope. A treaty that hasn't been implemented yet. Once a contract is signed it is normally to late to renegotiate at least without consent of the other party and why
would the EU agree to that.
It is not just about the treaty, EU offered more time to handle brexit,and pointed out multiple times this problem, while Boris said it was a perfect deal all along.
How many times we need to deal with british incompetence? We should cut every tie with uk,so we can stop this circus once for all
5:30 that's another lie. Which version of it was a democratic will of the people? There is a reason why Brexit supporters refused a confirmatory referendum on any specific version of Brexit.
Did we have a confirmatory referendum after the 75 referendum?
@@jpw6893 Two things. The two thirds majority in 1975 was unlikely to have dissipated a few years later unlike the narrow majority in 2016 which is likely to have dissapeared if only through demographics. Secondly in 2016 voters not only did not know what they were voting for, but could not ,as what they were voting for was subject to subsequent negotiation. For example I may have voted leave on the basis of johnson saying the EU could go whistle for a "divorce bill" but may have changed my vote when I discovered £40 billion of my taxes were being paid. I may have voted leave when I thought there would be a land border on the island of Ireland, but wish to change my vote when the border was between GB and NI.
@@davebento1548 two things. The remain campaign in 75 massively outspent the leave campaign, hardly even handed. Plus people could hardly have known what they were voting for as they had no idea that 18 years later the EU would be born, changing it from economic to political.
Britain will rewrite the UN Charter next week
Say goodbye to any possibility of a US trade.
Remember "Britain holds all the power".
In Boris' alternative universe!
Someone said: " Britain thought it held all the cards, but Europe was playing chess" 😂😂
They keep asking the Europeans to respect the democratic will of the British people...maybe they should start with respecting the democratic rights of the European people, which is to protect their single market from outside non-member countries..
@@ameyas7726
There is a reason they called us treasure islands
"Britain holds all the power" 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Behold people of Westeros, winter is coming and Lord Frost is marching an army who already passed the Wall! 😅
Lord frost wasn't bonking every woman in sight
@@georgegalileo It was meant to be a "Game of Thrones" joke about his last name - Frost. Until you didn't decide to compare the White Walker with a sperm bank! When did the White Walker left this impression in you? 🤣 I adore your imagination. You should write the directors and offer them your ideas for season 9. 🥳😂🤣
Stay strong Ireland 🇮🇪 with the EU behind you, y’all can keep the island as a single market. United Ireland coming soon?
Reverse Brexit or lose Scotland, Northern Ireland and possibly even Wales to EU membership. Your Brexit, so OWN it England. You are screwed now.
half of us didnt even want this. honestly englands embarrassing
Wales won’t leave, they voted to leave the EU
If we can cut off Scotland and NI that will be fantastic. We can bring the shipbuilding back to the North East, no more whiners and we’ll be better off
I kind of agree with except that Wale, unfortunately, totally voted for Brexit.
@@ellentronicmistress4969 Studies have proven that the 88,300 or so Brexit majority votes (and a lot more) that placed Wales just inside the Brexit column were all English Born living in Wales. This is not a British Brexit, this is very much an English Born15.25+ Million vote Brexit.
I mean if they're going to renegotiate they would naturally renegotiate under circumstances both have agreed works for the GFA.
That would be the 2020 transition period with the entirety of the UK inside the Single Market.
The UK wanted its cake, now eat it!
🏴 no
@@julianshepherd2038 Yes. You’ll have to. Because it’s already agreed.
Makes ya head wobble 😄
Labour:
Stage 1 Common Market is bad for British jobs
Stage 2 Money could be better spent on British Infrastructure
Stage 3 Higher employment, food & environmental standards are great but it all costs money
Stage 4 Let's Remain 😮
Tories:
Stage 1 Let's join the Common Market
Stage 2 Don't like the rules of the Common Market, let's change them
Stage 3 Don't like the Common Market changes, let's veto them & get opt outs
Stage 4 Single Market is brilliant for trade, let's leave 😮
Rest of the world v Boris/Farage & the ERG:
Rotw: Wait... What about NI?
B/FERG: FTA! WTO!
Rotw: But the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement!!
B/FERG: It'll be fine.
Rotw: But there'll be a trade border which breaches the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement!!
B/FERG: There won't be a border!
Rotw: If you diverge from EU regulatory standards there'll have to be a trade border!
B/FERG: We won't diverge from EU regulatory standards.
Rotw: 😮 What's the point of leaving the world's largest single market trading block then? 😶
B/FERG: Will of the people to leave the EU.
Rotw: Yeah but Norway isn't in the EU & it is still in the single market! If you have no intention of lowering regulatory standards this is surely easier than the NI Protocol.
B/FERG: We negotiated an excellent deal to 'GET BREXIT DONE'!
Rotw: Ssso what's the problem?
B/FERG: ... ... ...
Rotw: It's a pile of 💩 isn't it!
B/FERG: ... ... ...
Hmm. Ina nutshell.
But we are British, what do you mean we must stick with the deal we agreed!
British (for that read English) exceptionalism!
Props to Byrne for the level headed and diplomatic interview
UK should first start to stand up to it's Word.. No point to negotiate anything when UK doesn't keep it's bargains..
Lord Frost doesn’t inspire confidence, does he?
Unelected bureaucrat.
Show me a tory who does inspire confidence.
Show me one of them that can admit and own their mistakes at any point in their life.
"Lord" Frost. There is your problem, UK. You need a political system fit for the 21st century. Or at least the 20th... I would never in a thousand years call anyone Lord, or queen for that matter. I am a citizen of a democracy and proud of it.
He’s a belligerent idiot
Boris go to work and get the Brexit done. Don’t blame the EU of the deal you made!
Boris and work in the same sentence ?
@@miakeogh6844 you are right 🤭
🇪🇺So fed up! UK can keep his signed agreements for itself. Eu has better things to do now
WTO rules now
I thought they had all the cards in their hands. The EU needed us more than we needed them. So they said. Now they are getting their excuses out.
Did they not read the text of the agreement before agreeing to them
The UK made a complete joke of the negotiations with Barnier, to come back to the table at the very last minute. Wasting everybody's time and money. And now, they still want to renegotiate whilst having never respected their engagments. There need to be sanctions, but the EU doesn't want to reinforce the current sentiment in the UK or being seen as evil. Even though they have no control over that and that ship has sailed. Doing so they are being rolled over by twats. This is absolutely shameful.
If the RoI requests sanctions, the EU will impose sanctions.
I usually get British humor, but this is a bit much.
Not humour, this is black comedy.
Sunlit uplands, take back control, the bus, oven ready, fish, boris - whole thing is hilarious, much like the idea of British diplomacy.
From the EU Perspektive its like dealing with a 3 years old child.
No way. You already signed.
Want doesn't get.
Its a matter of international law.
The UK voted to become a 3. Country.
No new rules, just new for them.
They won, they should get over it 😂 😂 😂
While you are technically correct, to call us a united kingdom is stretching it a bit far.
A bit unfair on the 48% remain voters; the non-voters and the young who could not vote.
@@elwynjones763 not to mention the millions of foreign citizens living in the UK who were denied the right to have a say on the future of the country they work, live and pay taxes in, despite being among the ones most affected by the outcome.
The democratic will of the british is fine but that has nothing to do with the EU.
The Democratic will of the British people it's not as if the British empire in day's gone by cared much about the democracy of countries they invaded.
@@josephfisher6745 Well it looks like they still think they are gods gift to earth and that everybody needs to bow. Let is be clear that at the time they entered the EEG they where the sick child off the world. Thatcher needed the EU to kill the Unions and brake all strikes.
I wish them well but not at cost off the EU single market rules.
But David, you negotiated the deal and the protocol. For your tremendous endeavours and diligent work you received a title and a life long seat in the House of Scroungers. Did you forget to read the agreement, did you fail to draw pictures of the deal to explain to Johnson what the deal and and protocol entailed? Or was your brief to negotiate a deal that would never be honoured and the regime could totally ignore and then blame the EU for being too tied to the actual legal requirements?
UK threatens EU. EU says no, UK will fold. Same story different day
I hope the EU don’t budge
renegotiate a treaty that Frost has been ennobled for ?
Implementing the will of the people is one thing, sending the will's bill to the EU is another, especially after the UK has contractually agreed to pay it.
i dont even think the e.u have decided on a figure yet! they have only had five years to make their minds up. the british are disputing the amount and say its closer to 31 billion for pension liabilities and the rest for projects that were going ahead so the e.u does not have to scale them back. the 31 billion will have the last e.u budget contribution deducted from it, however the last treaty signed says any member voting to leave legally has nothing to pay so i think the british are being very reasonable. of coarse their needs to be understanding on both sides up to a degree.
bruce wayne I've seen many of your posts... I don't have time to waste with trolls.
@@malteaser507 sorry i am not trollman , i am batman i think you are getting confused.
I always loved the British sense of humor
As an Irishman, I’m still waiting for the joke to land. We are thoroughly sick of this shite.
@@garybarrett4881 Poots was a good joke, you must have to admit.
Lord frost is not merely totally incompetent, he lacks the self awareness to realise his incompetence.
In other words, No cherry picking!
Try telling that to people who still behave as if there is a huge British Empire able to exploit whoever it wants.
Does this government think we don't see what's going on? Get a deal through to get re-elected then try and renegotiate the deal later on. Blame EU for intransigence and rising NI sectarian problems...all EU's fault. I'm so ashamed of this government.
Well they blamed the EU for the damage austerity done, wasn't us damaging your services, it's all these immigrants flooding the country upsetting the balance.
"Just because I asked for it, you don't seem to understand that that wasn't exactly what I wanted".
This reminds me of something I saw on a bus in Chatham in the 70's. A woman boards the bus with her granddaughter. She said to the driver," two please". After sitting down and looking at her tickets, she called out to the driver, "here, you've charged me two adult fares" the driver answered, "that's what you asked for" "but she's only five". The driver said, "well, you should have asked for one and a half".
Her response"I thought you would know".
Some things never change.
What happened to ‘we hold all the cards’ ‘they need us more than we need them’?
As with so much else connected with Brexit... it was b×ll×cks.
'the German car industry will force Merkel to give us a good deal'
'no one is talking about leaving the Single Market'
'it will be the easiest trade deal in history'
All got eaten by a unicorn.
Went the same way as '..there will be a border in the Irish Sea over my dead body!'
Still holding all the cards while sitting in front of a chessboard.
Easiest solution...why not just hold a referendum in Northern Ireland on whether they want to stay in European Single Market (ESM) or the British Single Market (BSM)....ESM means a border in the Irish Sea between GB and NI...BSM means a border inside Northern Ireland and Ireland....let the will of the NI people ultimately decide the issue..
Accept it’s not only about Northern Ireland, it’s about the republic too the trade border is international law now and the hard border would conflict its the GFA so it’s extremely tricky to say the least the only place the border can go is the sea without breaking international law.
"It was the democratic will of the people so we have to make it work"
No. Just because people vote for something doesn't mean it can be made to work. We can vote to end climate change, or to end hunger. Voting doesn't make something possible.
People voted to raise barriers. They voted to leave the institutions that made trade frictionless. Worse, they voted to leave the institutions that made the GFA possible.
So it is impossible to fix this: trade across the Irish sea will be reduced and changed. Or brexit will have to mean something more like Theresa May's version of it.
But the NI farmers are happy of the protocol. Prices of the milk and meat rise like never before.
Also the fishermen happy for unfettered access to EU market as to UK market.
It was a vote that should never have been given to a referendum. Thats why most countries vote for MPs, whose job it is to make the decision on the voters behalf. But the MPs in Westminster surrendered their function to the mob rule of the street and now have to face the problem, that the question of the referendum is not answerable in a way that was promised.
And yes, Switzerland does things differently. They have a tradition on how it works and rules to make sure one side can't just lie about everything and let the result in favor of the lying side stand. And as it happened, in Switzerland the last canton to adopt women suffrage was in 1991. So its not all great with referendums in democracies.
@@alexwars8327
The problem is that even access to the GB market won't remain as it is. It takes one food scare, or one good article on PAP feed, to kill NI business's access to GB.
..' it happens all the time'. Does it now?
Since Boris can backtrack on the Protocol, how about the Scotish referendum?
This is just ridiculous.
After all these years and we are still in a mess!
People voted to be in a mess for the foreseeable future. In the late 30s things may clear up, after we are back in the single market.
@@lacdirk in your dreams my freind!
It will not be long before this experiment of subjugation is over and we (european countries ) can all be friends again without the pernicious interference from this overtly socialist group of dihards who want and do try to control everything and destroy this most wonderful land mass of europe.
Good riddence to them.
@@stephenchristian6231
Ah right, the idea that the single market will just go away. It literally saves the EU member states several hundred billions a year in costs of tariffs, certifications, fees and paperwork.
If the EU would fail, its core would be recreated immediately. It's simply not possible for the EU to maintain a balanced trade account if it doesn't keep its continental supply chains running without friction.
And that's not even counting the regulatory power that comes from cooperating in a single market.
So brexitters can go whistle for that to happen. In the mean time, we will start holding them accountable for the damage they did to the country.
You get the impression that they signed all of these trade agree with actually reading them. As if they just flopflip ftom on political stunt to next.
That's what they want us to believe. They knew what they were doing but truly believed that the EU would change things later because they wouldn't want any trouble!
@@marcustomas7669 i was thinking that at first. That boris was playing the buffoon while being astute and making serious decisions behind the scenes. Now i actually know he's a clown going from one slapstick guffaw to the next. The gameplan was sign the deal and plead ignorance of its consequences.
That may well fly with daily mail and express readers and i don't think Johnson's thinking has ever got beyond that vote grabber mentality to be the PM but had no clue what he would when got there.
And hes surrounded himself with sycophants as dumb as him to keep him their., that's it there is no cunning genius behind it all.
The whole globe is using his capers as the cartoon section of their daily's
yes! but at least the did put it in the microwave
@@philipbucher7431 yes. Pity they left the tinfoil on
Sorry... but why are Channel 4 presenters bow banging on "it was the choice of the British people, we have to make it work" as if it was some sort of shared responsibility? The British people voted to leave the EU, and then the British parliament agreed to an international treaty and a trade deal. "We" don't have to do anywhing; the UK has to implement the protocol. This is as black & white as it comes, stop trying to make it sound like it's some sort of a grey area! It's exactly what the Tories are trying to accomplish!
The idea that the EU, who are watching the same clown show in London as the rest of us, would take this govt seriously and actually begin unpicking the protocol!😄
Boris and Co will just do what they've always done, cave in and try to save face in the media because the media and public perception is all they care about.
The Loyalist stated that the Brits would instigate article 16. He does know that article 16 exists to protect the protocol - doesn't he? Doesn't he? Maybe not.
He hasn't read article 16. Same as David Frost.
And he obviously doesn't understand that it will then mean that there will be tariffs on goods and even more customs delays!
Yup which shows the NI morons have no clue either
Lord Frost, the unelected beauracrat
What a mess....
The Prime Minister and the negotiator who gave UK such a terrible Deal should resign... who were they again?
Pro Tip for GB: Just adapt the EU standards, would make everything easier on the island.
But how could Britain then accept chlorinated chicken from the US?
You can't trust the English, time we send our William of Orange-Nassau again to teach England some manners, like in 1688. You desperately need: "a man a man, a word a word".
These are the same people that negotiated this very agreemnet and then made it compulsary for their MPs to vote for it (and convinced the British parlament to accept it).
The NI issue was discussed BEFORE those negoationas and considerd by all, except the Britsh goverment, as the tricky part. Are you sober when at work?
I very much hope the EU listens to what Ireland wants. The UK has friends inside the EU (lreland, the Dutch, Scandinavia..) but London keep acting like on a bingdrinking session.
Is this the 'oven ready deal' that was deliberately withheld from parliamentary scrutiny
Rejected after JUST 3 hours, UK is a laughing stock !
They don't care, they just want to try to make the EU look bad.
Well said by Maros Sefcovic: "We will not agree to a renegotiation of the Protocol." I have hoped for months that the EU will send such a clear statement to Lord Frost.
The significant change that is needed is in the UK government.
If only the UK had read what they were signing.
Ireland goes all GREEN...Joe Biden
I am German, living in Switzerland and I simply can not understand why IRISH people from NI can not unite with IRISH people from ROI. You are IRISH in first place and Westminster shows the people in NI that they don't care a damn about them
Read “ Northern Ireland for dummies” your answer in those pages
Wikipedia has this to state: "Northern Ireland was created in 1921, when Ireland was partitioned by the Government of Ireland Act 1920, creating a devolved government for the six northeastern counties. The majority of Northern Ireland's population were unionists, who wanted to remain within the United Kingdom.[15] They were generally the Protestant descendants of colonists from Great Britain. " So colonists wanted to keep their colony instead of buggering off or integrating (badly) like they did elsewhere.
NI is held hostage by a loud, soon to be minority contingent of Irish people who like to think they're British, when in fact most people in Britain see them as Irish.
I am from NI. Identity is a fraught subject in NI. When NI was first created 100 years ago, it was kept separate from ROI because maybe 70% of people in the region viewed themselves as British. But over the last century that % has dwindled steadily. It’s currently maybe evenly split now. But the expectation with current demographic trends is that a tipping point is coming soon and soon the majority will identify as Irish. In another decade it will be an overwhelming majority. So what you are suggesting is inevitable eventually but unfortunately unlikely to be a near term solution this year or next.
The hard core unionists are appalled 🤯 whenever they are called Irish, they are not coping well with their betrayal by the UK government at all.
Everything you say is true though
The answer is plain and simple, British begin shipping British citizens to the north Ireland between 1920 and 1921 upwards so their descendant are the one that's costing trouble which see themselves has British in different land, I hope that answer your question to the extend.
Ok Clown.... the UK had how many years to set up and READ a deal???? 3? 5???
Boris, Boris, Boris.... You did not learn at al did you? There was a specific reason for a soft Brexit in the Northern Ireland region! To keep the peace! If you want to force a hard Brexit on that part after the negotiations with N.I. government? You know, you could be triggering another civil war in your country?