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Those intelligent Lithuanians playing Reaves like no one did before them, stop trying to tap our national teams back for doing their homework. Reaves defensives inefficiencies ware exploited even in NBA also and it's no ground breaking concept. Now as far as the USA national team goes, they did not even look like they wanted it, so combine it with bad habits created by NBA rules (that you point out) and here you get the outcome.
Yup. I think you missed to mention their program. That's one of the reasons why no one fears the USA anymore. They don't have a good program of retaining their players. I mean they have the money, it's not like the US is lacking in funds, why not pay the players enormous amounts of money. Say their contract is worth 50million, then divide that with the number of training days, games played, etc. And offer them that, so that at least they'd still not lose out. We all know most players right now aren't really about pride but more for money. This is also the reason why the dunk contest and their other events don't have stars playing or participating in them, they don't incentivize the players. Yeah it's honor, but do you really have to declare contracts like that especially since most of these players have a social media following and would look down on them for being petty for money, but being real, that's all there is to it right? Another thing is continuation of coaching. What happened to the teachings of Mike? His proteges didn't learn anything from him? It's like they're forcing the NBA game into the world games when it's totally different. I remember in the redeem team documentary that Mike said that they had to adjust, the world won't adjust to them. To me that's a great philosophy that all teams should apply (I would love the Philippines to adopt this too, but greed prevents it from happening). It's like the US forgot that
In Europe the focus is on studying the fundamentals, defense and team play. In the United States the emphasis is on turning players into super-athletes who jump, run and dunk. It's not a coincidence that Kobe once said that American kids don't learn the fundamentals of the game and he only learned them because he grew up in Italy.
exact. without kobe, spain must win olympic games. spain was better than american dream team. without italy kobe must not the great player that we know.
@@prof.detroialuigi3966 relax there sunshine, spain were good, probably best in europe, but you were never on 2008 redeem teams level. Even without kobe that steam was stacked.
not just that, in the US everybody gets taught how to be "the guy" while in europe you get taught how to buy into your role and be the best version of it
Hence why the Denver Nuggets won the NBA Championship. Their style is somewhat comparable to FIBA basketball. They focused on teamplay, utilization of the post, and excellent off ball movements.
Young American talents are brought up with focus on iso play and creating offensive highlights - i.e. how to shine as an individual player - whereas e.g. European talents have the focus more on fundamentals such as defense or team play - i.e. how to win as a team... or in short: Americans focus more on becoming MVP and Europeans more on winning a Ring😉
And it makes sense from a promotional standpoint, because the press has an easier time focusing on the individual skill, and creating those storylines and legends around them as the big stars they want them to be seen as by the fans. ESPN is especially great at creating that propaganda stuff. And they are already starting up the whole machinery for Wembanyama as we speak. The product on the floor of course gets weaker as we are seeing from the last 10 years or so, but not everyone might see it as such, especially casual fans who are often clueless to the intricacies of the sport and only root for a team to have a good time.
Their youth was clearly a factor with bad habits creeping up to bite them in the final games of the playoffs. The "senior" team for the olympics won't have these mental lapses and should be fine.
Basically, this is what Gregg Popovich has been doing throughout his coaching career in the NBA, which is under appreciated and that is why, probably, he prefers international players.
Yup. We play more serious 3 vs 3 pick up games every day than the sh*t you can see in regular season NBA games. They're just clowns do what clowns do - clowning around. Most games in European basketball (not just the Euroleague) are played to death, basically. You either win, or you die. No such passion in the NBA. Not even in playoff games. Nuggets winning the last title was literally like a walk in the park. What the hell kind of title is that.
@@bmsuperstar1 The world Title according to 'Murica. I guess when the next season ends it's Team Germany vs whoever wins? Or does Team Germany play Team Denver Nuggets for the world title? And how does that work with Jokic? If Serbia win WC does he play for Serbia or Denver? I know what his answer would be. Also if you think this german team would not beat Nuggets... idk what to say to you.
@@farguc What? You're confronting me with my own stance. I think the same way about this. Denver can't claim the world title because they wouldn't win sh*t without international players. Without Jokić they aren't a playoff team. Take Murray from them and they're bottom of the barrel, the worst team in a league.
Basketball is a team game outside the USA. Thatˋs by far point one. Taking pride in playing physical defense and being allowed to is number 2. I was a NBA Junkie back in the 90ˋs, what was Kind of unique here in germany, but since 15-20 years I‘m not able to watch the NBA anymore. It‘s boring all star kind of playing. The worldcup was so nice to watch, tactically and physically and I don‘t say it because germany won.
Absolutely on point NBA is just flashy most of the time. The grind of the 1990's and early 2000's is no more. Euroleague Basketball remibds me much more to that great era of NBA.
Ach komm' schon...du sagst das sowieso nur weil ihr gewonnen habt...😉😂 Gratuliere übrigens noch zum Titel, dies wird unserem kleinen Land, wo Basketball ca. an 13. Stelle kommt, leider nie passieren. 😂
@@ayidonno Ok, I'm Lithuanian and I second what he said. Is it because Lithuania came 6th? Because it's not what I wanted for my team at all. Going back on topic - NBA is only worth watching for the playoffs and the finals. It's the only time the players actually try.
This is true but u also gotta remember World Cup is always for B squad until they assemble the avengers for Olympics last winner other than usa winning gold was Argentina during the 2000s only 3 countries have done so if I believe being USSR Argentina and Yugoslavia
That being said I watch both Euroleague n NBA a lot way too much lol I do love fiba the most as well fiba also consists of different rule becuz of how big the court is plus the different rule sets this team usa squad also bought very shitty bigs which is what Germany exposed being their shitty ability to play off ball rebound n play defense
Literally, ive seen 2 full NBA games and both of them were the worst two hours ive ever spent watching something. Most of the time they were running back and forth only shooting (and missing) threes. No defense, no hustle, no teamplay
I actually like the idea of team USA picking players that play overseas for the world cup, since most NBA stars only care about the Olympics. I bet those overseas players would form a much better unit and they'd love to represent their country during a FIBA world cup.
it goes against that whole concept of how americans think that us players going overseas are basically too shit to play in the domestic league or even g-league so giving those "exiled" players a shot in the nationalteam is almost insulting and worse than sending guys like rookie of the year etc.
Fiba will not allow this too… USA is the most popular international basketball team on earth in terms of fan base and bringing Euroleague American players will not agree from some extent from fiba marketing purposes
They have already tried it in World Cup '98. US sent just overseas American players to play in the tournament because of the NBA players' strike. Results - US bronze only. With the World getting more "hoops sophisticated", using the same formula in this iteration of FIBA World Cup or next year's Olympics would be even more disastrous for Team USA.
I would starz with bringing coaches from europe, why you need to bring 3 nba head coaches and no experts in fiba ball ... I am not sure, if lue scouted everygame, but i know he made the scout report for lithuania and i doubt he knows the players from them, and he is handicapped finding the right solution when he isn't an expert in the fiba game. And it isnt like when you are a superior coach on fiba level, you get a chance in the nba so you can not argue that the best coaches are in the nba.
@@christiang5209 Sadly, the Murican coaches will never allow that knowing that the European ones are more brutal than them softies. Much like in the Philippines when the coaching Mafia (led by that Long Haired Guy) that got Chot the Gilas job are up in arms when Tab talked real about tactical immaturity. TLDR: Bloated crap of an Ego of both coaching orgs.
FIBA at its core is sports, NBA at its core is entertainment. Both need absolute monsters of players to succeed, even though their kind may vary. But one is extremely uninteresting to me and the other is a classic competition in which I have the utmost respect for whoever comes out on top. Man, it kinda sucks to see how great the NBA players are (or can be) and then how lame their league is.
The NBA is a circus, the rules have been twisted so that highlights are extremely likely. Defense is made almost impossible, how are you supposed to learn to play real basketball under such circumstances. It's also a shame that the individualists are paid many times more than the players who hold the team together and do all the little things that are necessary to win.
Yeah i got tired of hearing news about the team oriented players getting cut just because they don't show up in the weekly highlights, no wonder half of the teams implode sooner rather than later
The same thing happened in hockey 20 years ago, Canada has learned to adapt our game when we transition to IIHF / Olympics. We prioritize team chemistry at the U18 & U20 levels.
Good comparison. Hockey had a similar development really and Germany development in both sports is a good demonstration of it since Germany also made 2nd place in this year's IIHF world's.
One more reason. Europeans have the pleasure of watching such great in-depth analyses from european basketball-related media (like BasketNews), whilst in the US ‘basketball analysis’ has been associated the last years, with the silly non-basketball related comments of various Stephen As and Skips.
@@AugustasSuliauskas I will let the man (MJ) answer himself, using the examples of Jack Nicklaus and Tiger Woods (in probably on one of his most interesting interviews ever) -> th-cam.com/video/JfJYyN2GGts/w-d-xo.html 😉
American sports media have so many NFL and boxing analysts talking about basketball. They also get reporters who never touched a basketball in their lives to analyze NBA games. And when they get an actual NBA player, they get a halfwit like Kendrick Perkins. This is why TNT > ESPN.
The NBA is not really interested in old team basketball; their worldcup results just confirms that we have to keep on watching the Euroleague. I think that Augustas is right, the two game style differences are going to increase in the future, but someone should be wondering where did some of the not very athletic european players in the NBA get their impressive basketball IQ from. Maybe old team basketball?
Honestly this is all on the US' current basketball Culture. From current (2015ish on) highschool aau all the way to the nba they have demphasized some of the aspects of the fundamentals of basketball. And its hard for their develped habbits to transfer over. Its not a issue if you're just thet much more talented, but when that gap is close, it hurts. Also the NBA demphasizing the post player has allowed bigs from overseas to come in and dominate the post as well.
Yeah its been in the making for last 20 years. Changes to the rules to create a more appealing faster pace product has led them to this. Really talented guys that can only play streetball. Put Austin in Barceloma for 3 seasons and he will be one of the best guards in euroleague with solid fundamentals. Iggy is a good example. Struggled first half of last season, came into his own this tournament, expect him to have a great season this year, now that hes warmed up to fiba basketball.
Do you think it has something to do with the rise of social media and everybody wanting a mixtape? Mixtape were only achievable if you play great ISO ball or jump insanely high
I remember in the 90s/00s when the NBA was a super physical league, and European/international players were too soft for the NBA game. Now it's the exact opposite. The NBA outlawed defense and physical play so the games would be high-scoring and its megastars like LeBron and Steph could play into their 40s and not get injured as often. All about money. Peja Stojakovic took a while to toughen up, people thought Yao Ming would be way too skinny and weak.
Neither Yao, nor Peđa were weak physically at any point of their careers. Peđa was always a huge guy, wide shoulders, wide back, way too tall for SF position. Yao was of course extremely tall, but never weak. I'd argue about European players, especially ones from Balkan, are actually a lot stronger on average than NBA players. NBA players are stronger in the extremes, but on average it's not even a competition. Jokić is a top 3 player today when it comes to strength. There isn't a single player he can't back down all the way. Not even Adams or Embiid can stop him, and those are the strongest guys alongside Jokić. Even those two aren't Americans, so my point stands. American players are more athletic, but that's about it.
I agree with first half with second unfortunately not so much. LeBron and Curry literally put millions in their bodies from optimal training food regime and everything else. LeBron with 40ishh is still better then 90% of players in NBA, Curry is probably the best off movement player in the whole world and he works n run like crazy making jump shots and threes good luck guarding him that’s why he can put on your ass like 40 easily no matter what kind of Defense you put on him cuz he is much more ready then any defender that goes up against him. Just my 2 cents on that topic but I agree with the rest:)
let's not forget, with NBA contracts reaching astronomical $$$$ numbers, NBA players are more and more likely not to participate in non-NBA games to avoid risk of injury. Maybe CBA can work something into Super Max Contract requirement, that the player has to compete in international competition at least once to be eligible for Super Max contract...
Thanks for the video! I think the main difference between the NBA and Europe is the mentality of the game. For better or worse the NBA is entertainment, like going to a movie, rather than a competitive sport. They want constant action and like American movies everything has to be very fast and spectacular, lots of points, lots of dunks, nobody wants to see a game ending 58-62. And I think that mentality also gets to the players, of course they all want to win, but they also know that if they lose it's not the end of the world. The fans will still pay hundreds of dollars for a seat in the next match, their team is not going to be relegated anyway and life goes on. Compare that with a derby game in Greece, Serbia, or Turkey for example and the atmosphere between the two. There you have to win, even if it's an ugly win and you'll have to make fouls, you'll have to be aggressive in defence and stop the other guy from scoring, even if you don't score. I don't think that many NBA players have that frame of mind.
One aspect that gets rarely mentioned is the BEAUTY of game as exhibited especially by the two baltic teams, and Serbia. Smart and beautiful ❤️ basketball. 😮😊😊😊
I might just add that this why guys like Jokic, Doncic and others expose same thing during NBA games where they simply trick play young american talents with some veteran moves. I think they even said they enjoy watching Euroleague more than NBA because of this.
idea of olmympic basketball being more important and tougher then Fiba world cup is stupid, Olympics have only 12 teams loads of great team will miss oppurtunity to play and in fiba almost every good team will have a shot at history
@@liul it 100% is. I can see their reason behind it due to it being more rare, and there is also alot of history playing into this, the whole rivalry with russia back then, and then building this revenge team to get the gold back to the USA etc.
@@MrSheduur The FIBA Basketball World Cup is the flagship event of FIBA which is the world governing body for basketball! It's like the equivalent of FIFA World Cup for football! Both tournaments are held every 4 years just like the Olympics! FIBA Basketball World Cup is actually more basketball centric because it only features basketball unlike the Olympics which feature multiple sports and different types of athletes!
This is what you get when you put too much focus on teaching players to shine by themselves instead of winning as a team. That's the AAU system for you. Also, another problem is that you never have the same squad between tournaments so you rarely have the same core of guys joining, thus you cant build chemistry and a reliable gameplay/philosophy.
USA needs to form a permanent national team. Even if you only get 5 superstars to commit, if you fill the rest with 7 role players, that would be a good team because the experience of playing with each other for multiple years will make them 10 times better as a team.
NBA regular season basketball isn’t professional sports. It’s just a fancy pick up game with a huge amount of talent but majorily lacking in fundamentals. The reason why the heat were able to get to the finals as an 8th seed is proof of that. Even the better regular season teams lack fundamentals which gets exposed in the playoffs. Take for example my favorite team, the celtics. They are supposed to be ”the most talented team” (whatever that means) but they get exposed in the playoffs all the time in many different areas for the lack of discipline on how they play.
@@jitox USA is more a corporation than a country. The idea of relegation is the uncertainty of money for these people. The sport comes secondary to the money in their pockets
I think that it's about damn time for Team USA to have professional players who play in Europe because they're the ones who have experience in European-style set plays and actually knows FIBA rules. For me, USA Basketball should go beyond the NBA.
Fiba will not allow this too… USA is the most popular international basketball team on earth in terms of fan base and bringing Euroleague American players will not agree from some extent from fiba marketing purposes
@@robertotampioc7318 wat? There are plenty of americans on euroleague. And that league LIKE EVERY OTHER LEAGUE, doesnt care where you are from as long as you play good. This is why you suck at international level at every sport, look at how you talk, NO ONE CARES where you are from in professional sports
@@anthonym8395, do you realize that Lithuania and Germany (both beat USA) have 2 or 3 NBA players and the rest are Euroleague players? The USA is a factory of great guards and shooting guards. Not all of them make it to the NBA, but that does not mean they are no good.
@@anthonym8395what a dump anwer from u…u know your squad got banged from mostly euroleague or eurocup players? And before the tournament most usa fans said it would be a cake walk…now its team b or c after the loss…honestly a lot of us americans are just ignorant and bad losers….
If you actually played basketball at any level you know sound coaching, fundamentals, and tough defense can beat talent. Team USA just feels we can throw talent at the World and that will be enough cause it used to be enough. NBA has a lot of bad habits that we ignore because it is exciting to watch, but the World has learn to exploit those bad habits especially since they all have a few NBA players on their team now too.
Nice analysis..that’s why FIBA for me is the best standard of basketball tournament and rules…Coz it is more on developing team game..even if the usa send their best iso players they are gonna be exposed specially if the team from other countries knows how to use the FIBA rules…
Continuity is a huge advantage that often gets overlooked. The USA teams usually have a few weeks to build chemistry while the foreign teams have been playing together for YEARS. How is this never mentioned?
In Europe, when a kid begins to play basketball, the coaches try to teach them everything. Every fundamentals, every speciality of every post from 1 to 5, handling, position play, passing, close out, man to man amd zone defense and anybody else. And, in at the end of the high school years the kid will have a lot of infos what he will never forget. And, after that he finds a place and position where he can give the maximum. The best examples areJokic and Doncic. They learned every basketball fundamentals before they arrived to the USA.
That's ridiculous. Euro and even South American teams started beating very good teams comprised of NBA players 20 plus years ago. Then for some reason they couldn't anymore. Now they are somewhat getting back to where they were. Their countries are generally too small (so they don't have the talent pool) and the sport isn't popular enough in their countries
Fantastic video, hit the nail on the head and a lot of what you said is the stuff I've been trying to say since Team Canada lost to Serbia. That was an eye opening experience. I mostly watch NBA, but a lot of what pisses me off about NBA, seems not to be a problem in Europe. My only problem with watching Euroleague is being able to find a team that I can relate to. But Serbia made me realize that the fundamentals are lost over here.
Thank you! Even though Canada were a better prepared team than USA. Clear hierarchy in the team, defensive potential, it was just Serbia who played a fantastic game there. Canada couldn't do much vs aggressive defense. Anyway, I heard a lot of people saying 'only if we had this quality in the NBA games, how much fun it would be' obv talking about regular season since playoffs are a different story
I immediately gravitated towards Real Madrid and Barcelona because they had football teams that I'm familiar with. I would watch Euroleague on illegal streams. 😅
Great breakdown Augustus. I am an American, and I like the idea of maybe having oversees American players added to these competitions. Guys like Mike James might jump at the chance to represent the USA. One thing, for years Jeff Van Gundy was the American coach of the USA teams that had to qualify for these tournaments and he used a mix of G league guys and some overseas players. He and his staff did well and learned the FIBA game and coached accordingly. I thought instead of getting a big name like Kerr, they should have chosen a guy like Van Gundy who had plenty of experience coaching in the FIBA competitions.
Us should have called johanatan motley one of best euroleagues centers with big iq and wide arm span.Also will clyburn,wade baldwin,elijah bryant,kevin punter
NBA is the strongest league in the WORLD, that's a fact! And you earn the most money. The players there are also more talented. But the big difference to European basketball is that Europe is always defined by the team. and that in all sports. And that doesn't suit American basketball. Because this franchise system and the salary cap are also the big problem there. In Europe we learn how to use even the weakest member most effectively. Because everyone can do something very well somewhere. When I think about the USA building a Eurobasketball team... that would be a nightmare for everyone. It's no longer spectacular basketball, but it's most effective! greetz from germany
Love this explanation. Always had a problem with people saying USA has bad fundamentals. You don't earn millions with bad fundamentals, there must be a structural reason. And you nicely explained that the pace in the NBA make boxing out a bad play in many situations, so it's not ingrained into your body.
@@LaymensLament yes but constant run n' gun isn't fundamentally the game of basketball, it's a different sport, that's my point. When all teams play like that like in the nba, then you have a chance. But once in a while you have teams like the Spurs or now the Nuggets that implement fundamentals and are able to make dynasties
@@TMPOUZI you seem to be alright, so here is what i actually think. in matters of trying to understand whats going on in the world, i would be careful with argueing on the basis of incompetence (its just a good rule of interpretation to try to find "rule following"/"positive" explanations first). these organizations make an insane amount of money and have many employees and we have very limited insight (what we see on court + hear from media + what we come up with). its very likely there is a reason why they play transition focused basketball thats practically tied to win chance and not because no one in the nba understands that its better to box out and run off ball curls (like we do in europe, when we play in teams at the lower level eh?) or that they have no players that have the skills to do it. i mean if it was like this they would just get 5 euroleague players and make millions. there will be some sort of "social information" going on (e.g. modelling oneself on the currently best teams) but in general it is very likely that they know why they wanna play like this and why it works. i mean its less spicey to say than "americans bad, no boxout lul" but its probably a better description of "the world", if you find a reason that argues on the basis of them doing something right.
some of the best players in the nba rn come from europe. the fact that they now seem to play better not only in the fiba system but also in the nba would give me pause for thought as an american...
The US team lost despite their gameplan functioning 100% they shot 60-90-50, they scored 111 in a semifinal i am sure any american would immediately take these numbers. European basketball seems to work better with fiba rules and having the individual class to keep up with the US means the European teams can beat the US team as they have done time and time again, Germany this year, Lithuania, France, Greece.
Who love basketball, as someone who watched both NBA and Euroleague and even games in National leagues in Europe...my advice to USA people who love the game is to give European basketball a chance. Soon they will find out how big lie NBA is. Euroleague is so much more complex with many important layers of the game, effort, emotion, passion.. simply more interesting than NBA and quality is in constant grow.
@@ayidonno except it's not the same. NBA just don't have it even with the fact that they buy more players from Europe. Just watch, invest some time in both leagues and come back to talk. I don't think you will claim the same.
@@josefharasek7487From the 1920s to the 1970s ,even after that Canada has won most best on best tournaments. Canada has won a bunch of world championships lately with different rosters each time. Canada is doing well. But there are strong challengers for sure.
@@josefharasek7487 Oh yes challenged for sure and sometimes beaten, but best on best they usually win. There are a lot of Countries that can ice a world class team., especially Russia ,Sweden, Czechia ,USA ,Finland. Each country has more than 20 great players.
USA DIDN'T THINK INTERNATIONAL COMPETITION MATTER OR IS IMPORTANT UNTIL NOAH LYLES (a track and field athlete) SAID SOMETHING, NOW THAT WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP MEANS SOMETHING THEY WILL ACTUALLY SEND THEIR BEST PLAYERS
I think that even the stars will not help them win in france. The real stars like Lebron, Curry, KD are too old and slow on defense now, while the current allstars are mostly guys who are unproven divas mostly known for choking in big games (hello Tatum, Trae, Ja...). I cannot wait for the olympics to start and teams like Serbia, Germany, Spain and France dismantling the USA team on defense. Because this is whats gonna happen if they think they only need to roll out the big names and they simply have to show up.
I back to watch NBA in the season of 2012-2013, and in that season only 9 players score more than 20 ppg, and in the past season the number of players that average 20 ppg plus was 43! And 6 players with 30 plus! Thats told you what happend with the defence in this league...
I fully agree with your analysis.Very well said. Only a slight remark on your intro statement: Why everybody = Why everbody in the USA. It appears to me, that this (NBA championship is the world championship) is a debate only in the USA and maybe Canada. The overwhelming majority of the world is following this debate with some amusement.
NBA Championship being a world championship wasn't a debate because we haven't called an NBA Champion as world champions in likely decades - at least not officially. Noah Lyles was likely upset that the NBA / Team USA was getting more coverage than the US Track and Field team during their world championships. Lyle used it as a moment to put the spotlight on himself and USTAF and it worked! Besides, Team USA didn't even medal in the last World Cup.
There's nothing to be afraid. FIBA basketball is top notch than NBA. You can be physical, you can taunt, no flooping call, no soft foul, A Real basketball for real man to be called WORLD CHAMPION.
I really think that the NBA won’t stay THIS ahead of the other leagues for long… yes, the money will stay there, but players outside the US can just play longer and be healthier with more free time
I would love to see Real Madrid, Partizan, and Barcelona, etc play in NBA pre season. Not sure if it means much but still would be cool. Some of these teams are quite recognizable due to their football/soccer counterparts.
As a basketball noob, why is the negativity towards the american teams tactics so strong, when they were only 2 points away from germany? They must've been doing pretty well in order to be that close.
Let me remind me that these are still NBA players while Germany have only a couple from there. So talent/athleticism wise, you have a huge gap between USA & Germany towards USA side. But I'm looking at it from other perspective? If their talent advantage is so big why they even lost by 2 points?
What I see as a big red flag is that in any close game the us play in, the score of both teams are always really high. The current us basketball focuses so much on offense that defense becomes less important for them. Just look at the difference between germany - us and germany - serbia. It's very hard to keep the us stars from scoring even while having an elite defense but its not that hard to score on them either
If the same rules were applied to all players, i very much doubt team USA would be having any kind of success internationally. And i do mean it. The refs are EXTREMELY lenient to both team USA and Canada too. They even let them play with their own rules in their game for 3-4th. When we see the refs not being so lax with team USA then we might see what their real status is internationally. Until that time, any other conversation imo is pointless. Its outrageous to watch honestly. The EU players are at a serious disadvantage because of that. Always have been. And its unfair. Go watch any game of team USA through the past 20 years , hardly half their scored points is from illegal moves. Its insane. Did you guys actually watch the game between USA and Canada ? This was NOT FIBA basketball.
trae young, jayson tatum, devin booker, lebron, curry, damain lillard, dearon fox and kd are all playing in the olympics next year we will see what ur saying then
Great analysis, Arturas. There are many variables. 1.USA didnt send their top.players. 2.Different rules & size of court. 3.Teamwork & unity of european teams. 4.Less physicality, more strategy by european teams. 5.Europeans have stopped having fear for NBA players, as they see many European players doing well in NBA. 6.European players are more ambitious & passionate about winning the WC.
4. Less physicality? I disagree. Maybe you mean pace or transition. Fiba and especially Euroleague officials let physical game way more than nba officials
Less physicality ??? 😐 It's the opposite. Sure nba players are on average bigger, taller, stronger/more athletic but the game is less physical in the nba because of the rules, court size &, tactics. The us game today is fast pace, iso, soft defense and stretch. These are not the ingredients for a physical basketball game.
is so funny americans now want american players who play in euroleague, but European players who play on the Nba can Stomp nba players on Fiba and on nba. Maybe is just that europeans are actually better ,the mvp of the nba is european and the world champs are europeans so just looking at the facts, yeah, us is not the powerhouse anymore
Imagine an NBA team USA and a Euroleague team USA and first they have to play eachother to decide which team is allowed to play in the world cup or olympics.🙂
@@strasbourgerelsass1467 oh.. i only knew about jokic, its been a while since i seriously follow the nba. Omg now i really dont get why they were mad at the world champiosn thing hahaha is ridiculous. You made my day hahahah
USA's culture idealises the Russell Westbrook type player. High athleticism, high skill, high energy but also high ego and low bball IQ. European culture (and many other places, such as Australia) idealises Nikola Jokic types - great fundamentals, high IQ, a team bball focus and strong humility. That's what really wins championships, no matter which competition it is.
Wait, the US claims this is only their Team C. We have a pretty good idea on who would compose their Team A or their "Avenger" squad. But if the last FIBA US squad was Team C, then who is Team B? I honestly would like to have your answers, people.
Team A is the big names, Team B C D etc is just the rest. There is no B team. Its a lie americans tell themselves. Only B team that would do better would be americans playing in europe. I genuinely believe that top euroleague americans would do better than this team.
They can't because that WAS their team B. I'd be nervous for team USA. Too much bravado. Their young guys are simply not that great, and Steph and KD are all getting up there in age. Somebody has to remind LeBron that he may not be able to bully Dillon Brooks on the international stage, and in the international media, only the American media like ESPN will suck his dick. Le Monde and France 24, they dgaf, they'll throw LeNarcissist to the wolves. They can talk Booker and Tatum all they want, but that's technically team A, not B. They can talk KAT or Jimmy Butler, but that's still team A. The real truth is that the Europeans have taken over basketball until they really are dethroned next year.
@darrengordon-hill ... Do you have a point? Even DB wasn't scared of LeBron in the playoffs, even if he did have a bad series. Of course LeBron would have a hand in bullying DB through media outlets, so that's an unfair advantage. And DB ended up wiping the floor with Anthony Edwards as payback, anyway. Not even the Canadians are scared of whatever Revenger team LeNick Fury will come up with. Canada was missing Wiggins, Jamal Murray, and other key players. Team Canada at full strength would whoop ass with Team USA's "Team A"
thanks to NBA's success we have more international player in the NBA indeed one argument has been the number of white american players has diminished as they now can get reasonably athletic europeans that can shoot the ball. It is also clear that in the US shooting & ball movement is is not prized as much as athleticism and ball handling. It s often taught differently, we teach that basketball is a passing game and it feels like in the uS it is taught as a dribbling game it means that even superstars in euroleague pass the ball and do not score loads of points even when dominating where as in the NBA player routinely now go for 30 40 and even 50 is now harly celebrated. it is a style thing and I suspect even if the NBA adopted FIBA rules that style thing would not change if your best players all learn to play a certain style in order to get noticed ( you have high schooler with mixtapes of highlights) you are not going to get 10 player that can play without the ball 10 player that value defence, these guys are prima donnas before you get to tip off of their first year of basketball at kindergarten. Now would the most talented be any better ? yes but lets be honest how often do you see Lebron or KD boxing out? the reality is these guys are not scary because teams now want to play them and beat them and not collect their autographs so whilst there is a bigger talent pool and often better athleticism in the US it does not always translate into better basketball
Agree 100%. I’m Black and can tell you there’s a culture problem with basketball that excludes white guys who can’t mimic the black urban game. So the US is actually limiting their talent pool by disrespecting white ballers. Here’s a stereotype white guy - shooter, soft, weak handles, get up on him. Well not so with Serbia, Lithuania and Spain. By contrast Germany of all countries best player is a black guy. Even Montenegro has a Black guy. There’s a problem when the undertone is not to bring back Austin Reaves. Truly hope that kid Cooper Flagg gets a legit shot in the NBA.
@@cn3460 yeah I watch alot of yt basketball and you are right, especially on parks there is so much shit talk when ppl are white it is crazy lol, and ppl act like this is totally normal to throw around racial stereotypes and insults at times even.
@@MrSheduur - frankly we are loosing the integrity of the game and we need to improve that part of black culture. Some of us are quietly rooting against Team USA. Winning only emboldens this culture while loosing might humble some people and help with integrating the game at home. That humility will only occur after the finger pointing and blaming subsides.
@@cn3460 yeah I can see that. Alot of revenge type culture going strong among black americans right now instead of trying to come together more, with all the shit humans are facing. not easy with all the trumpism and white guys going crazy for that shit though... complicated situation.
I totally agree with everything said in this video the breakdown is 1000000% spot on FIBA and nba basketball are two different things. NBA focus is on pick and role at the top with shifty guard play vs FIBA which is to attack the obvious height mismatch
Back in the 90s and 2000s lots of college coaches like Dean Smith, Coack K and others came to Europe and taught fundamentals, nowadays with players jumping from highschool to g league, and AAU popularity because of social media, the focus is only on athletic highlights and 1 v 1, they basically unlearned how to play the transport of Basketball not to mention everything else, US that was once a global leader is unfortunately sinking in all aspects. And the sad thing is that there are people that actually think things are improving 🤦🏻
Interesting one. With NBA guys you mean on the roster but a European coach dictating everything for like couple of years? Then maybe yeah after some time it could be successful but I think FIBA rules is the key here. It changes the game completely
My prediction - Lithuania, Germany, Serbia, even Canada can't be ruled out for the gold medal on Olympics. I think US has a great chance like they always do, but I don't think they're such a great threat like they used to be in the previous decades.
They stopped being great threats in 2004. Kobe redeemed the team in 2008 and 2012 but after that, everyone knows Team USA is starting to become a declining empire.
You're a little late with this comment. They barely won in 2021 against France even dropping a group game. 2008-2016 had Spain push them to single possession games in the knockout/gold medal rounds. 2004 was bronze. 2000 US almost lost to Lithuania in the semis. Their luck is running out with 4 of the top 6 MVP candidates in the NBA not being American (Embiid, Jokic, Giannis, Luka, SGA etc..). Something will have to give and putting a bunch of A lister prima donnas on the same roster isn't going to be the guaranteed fix everyone thinks it is. It wasn't easy before, it'll be even harder now.
Another factor before was that nba and fiba rules and even courts were different. But now more and more international players play in that league and can adapt to their new environment, then transform their playstyle playing in fiba
Here is the thing... can anyone name an AMERICAN Post "back to the basket", good offensive Big? Even Lopez nowadays is used as a perimeter spotup shooter. Or an elite Rebounder? Its remarcable. AD was the best rebounder last season... and the only american in the Top10! And he barely qualifyed, cause he cant stay healthy. The US has problems to adjust their perimeter defense to the european style. Thats true. But by far the biggest problem is the lack of fundamentally sound Big Man. And thats all by design. US Bigs nowadays have to jump, shoot, stretch the floor and handle the ball in the US youth and AAU system. Not so in europe. Even Wemby, who can do all of that has remarcable footwork in the paint, on offense and defense! I mean, just look at the best true Bigs in the NBA. AD... and the rest are europeans + Embiid and Adams. 😉
Off the ball movement is what made the Warriors and Steph succeed. Many teams in the NBA learned to adapt to that. It is by no means the primary factor leading to the USA loss. The lack of big man and your first point about rebounding was.
Interesting point. But did they really learn to adapt? After all, GSW won multiple titles. The only thing others managed to think of, is switching-all, to take away the concentration and screen navigation part. And they are still at the top of league causing havoc with that, only that their bench is not always up to the high standard of winning the chip.
It's too much offense now. Now, I don't wanna go back completely to the 90s and especially the 00s with really no ball movement and solely focused on defense, but remember the Pistons? They were really good, they didn't iso much, moved the ball and are still amazing at defense, so were the Spurs. Switching is good, but you gotta know your personnel. Before during the redeem team, they can switch all they want because they had great centers and forwards like Dwight and Bosh who were monsters on the board and still know how to box out. Also, GSW can do that because they have tall, athletic, and defensive driven wings and Dray during his peak can defend almost anybody. Like the video said, JJJ is a DPOY but his defensive style is a roamer, he's not a straight up defender like Bosh, Dwight, nor Dray was. Also Banchero is the worst defensive player they could have and he was positioned as the center? The position where usually is the last line of defense? Sorry but Kerr and Hill became just like Chot Reyes (Philippines coach) who never really is famous for adjustments. If anything instead of Kerr, Spoelstra could've made more of a difference with this team since his philosophy aligns much more with the great coaches like Mike, Pop, and the likes who are great at adjusting their coaching style depending on the personnel he has, we all know Kerr was never like that and never will be. To me, Kerr is just like any other regular coach in an unknown highschool gym, sorry. But we've seen that he's just carried by his team, yeah he made changes when he coached GSW to implement Dray more, but aside from that what else has he really done without Steph, Klay, and Dray? We've seen this with Luke Walton. He was a great coach there but anywhere else he's been subpar.
I came to basketball and the NBA in the 90s. Fall in love with David Robinsons Spurs and stayed with them. I my opinion, the the 2000s where great times. More pace than in the 90s and almost the same intensity. I liked the 2005 finals against the Pistons. Hard fight with the best end for us :-) Nowadays, I can't watch the NBA anymore, just like a playstation game. Fastbreaks and isolation and no Defense (allowed) anymore. I prefer the euroleague, even the NBA has the better individual Players.
There really isn't much more movement now on average which is hilarious. Teams are just chucking up more threes and getting more uncontested looks at the basket, so the casual viewer it looks like guys are playing harder. They are not. Yea, the 2000s had its share of iso scorers, but for the most part those guys were all effective in many different areas as scorers - perimeter, post, P&R, midrange, off-ball, etc. Today it's pretty much only threes or scoring at the basket. This style of basketball is trash.
“FIBA WC was a great example that the new generation only knows how to play NBA basketball.” Every word hits deeper when you’re a Filipino both a basketball player and a fan. From the way we play the game all the way to our basketball federation. Fucking hell.
I see a lot of confusion in the comments. We all agree Team Usa was the most talent in the world and they didn't deserve to win because they play badly. But why did it happen? These guys (youngest team in the tournament) was formed just one month before the start of the WC cup. How do you build tactics, identity and chemistry in one month with just 4 friendly matches and then jump in a though competion like the WC. Then they have to get use to the different rules and the style of play, which may decrese the jmpact of some players (like JJJ or Brunson). Do not underestimate the impact of 3 sec rules. It totally changes the game. Many times you could see USA players forgetting they could send help more freely than the NBA. With all that said, i think it's clear why they play badly, with lack of movement and a ton of isolation. Secondly, do not overlap team usa with NBA teams. They dont play like that. Simply watch last playoffs. Denver, Boston, Miami, Warriors, Sacramento etc... played with pace, space, movement and they played according to principles and ideas. Of course they play with different style than European leagues. I find at least 3 reasons... 1) different rules, 2) different interpretation of the rules, 3) different talent (way more different to play schematically against Tatum-Brown, rather than Avramovic-Guduric). NBA teams have at least 20 assistant coaches for each team. They study and analyze with incredible amount of data. Do not think they are just casuals who are at that level because they watch just games in tv. They are prepared. Thirdly, I watched the WC final. Very good basketball game, but Germany (who won) played with an american style (also coach Trinchieri said it during the commentary on Dazn). I dont find a lot of differences with an nba playoff game (kf course with different rules, but with the same attention to details and force). In conclusion... to make a fair comparison you have to take into accounts all these multiple variables before just stating that "Nba sucks" "they dont play defense" "european teams are now better" "we play with the right respect if the game"... just stupid. Watch games, study, analyze, reflect, dont be superficial.
You don't need to know some special rules to box out, that's basics. The final was a great defensive clinic by both teams, you won't see that in nba finals
I mean on offense they never had a bad game. They scored efficiently all tournament. they simply played bad defense. yes teams are more motivated against the us... but its no coincidence that Canada, Germany and Lithuania had insane offensive games against the us. you would think their athleticism would be enough to be dominant on that end. But that has obviously not been the case this year
@@TMPOUZI Yes boxing out is basic, but when you are used to playing in a league where counters are fundamental and generate the best point per possessions, you tend to not attack the basket to get an offensive rebound because you have to run back asap. Players get used to it and when they go in FIBA they suffer this approach. We need always to contestualize. It's not always 1:1 even though it's the same sport. The final WC was a good game, but not great tactically. NBA finals were great last year, lot of great offensive and defensive possessions by both sides. IMO way better. Then NBA finals were 5 games, not 1. Different coaching and preparing for max 7 games than 1.
@@saitamab.7296 I agree with you, but partially. They had the best defensive rating of the tournament. But I agree that against top teams they were too passive. Although in some situations they seemed to much to handle on both sides for everyone. Problem of USA NT is their lack of programming. For years they thought that summing up talent was sufficient for winning, but now (in all sports, not only basket) you need to work constantly with players to build ideas and principles. Serbia had that, Germany had that, Lithuania had that etc... Canada and Usa didn't build that. They were leaning on talent too much and lost, but one month to create a team is not enough. Maybe next year Lebron, Kd, Curry will form the new team, but I dont think it will be enough neither.
Problem is, you never even had a team. You always send 12 guys, who had met 3 weeks before the tournament. Most of the EU teams, with minor changes, play together for years. They know each other well, and that is the key to the game of basketball. Superior individual talent will just not be enough. Even in 1992, Yugoslavia (if we did not had bigger joy in killing each other), I think we would win against the original Dream team, if you ask me. That team was superior, but had no real competition. If there was another real good opponent with real tactics instead of replacing 5 with another 5, as you did all the time, Dream team would suffer heavily casualties, leading to an uncertain ending. Back to just finished WC: you had nocenter in your team apart from KEssler, who was not even playing. In all 3 loses, you had less rebounds then the opponent and somehow you were just not guarding the paint, even though FIBA rules have no 3 second rule for defending the paint. In all 3 loses you received over 110 points, a scarily huge number for FIBA basketball. You have no hierarchy, not now, not in 1992 (which was also impossible due to huge superstar ego of every single of your 11 players). Hierarchy is otherwise is notable in NBA basketball, don't get me wrong here. But if you send 12 superstars to the next Olympics, which will again make it impossible to establish any order within the team. And you will be beaten again, if EU teams come complete. Also, you do not even have any real dominant power forwards any more. They are mostly from EU. This is the 1st position you will be dominated instantly.
But they sent their C team... so what? On paper they are still best team with 12 nba players but the problem is that young american nba stars don't know how to play real team basketball.
I never quite understood this 'C-Team' argument. You sent who you sent. If a Racing Team says "But we didn't bring our best car to the world championship race!" the immediate question should be "ok... but why? Seems like you didn't really want the title then..." "I wasn't even trying" is a time honored excuse in every field but reality is once the whistle goes you play Basketball with whoever is there. And whoever put on the flag jersy now represents you in this international tournament. Nothing else matters. Anything is just disrespecting the Sport. NBA or Fiba.
Greece was missing our best 4 players. Serbia was missing 6 key guys, two of which were their best and third best players. Almost every team was missing people. Did you see anyone else saying that we didn't send our best? No. You sent who you sent. If you go to a war, does it make sense not sending your best soldiers and then getting your ass kicked you can't say 'Nah we didn't send our best guys'. It doesn't make sense. You send the best guys available. You either accept that you don't care about loosing, or if you care and want to win, you send as many of your best guys as you can get.
No one is saying that the other nations didn't deserve the win, but clowning the US like they aren't good enough to win the gold or not scary is quite stupid.The USA born players aren't on the decline, they just don't bother to show up to the event because of laziness (I still want to repeat that it doesn't make German's achievement somehow any less impressive though). If France brings the best players from its amateur league to a match against Buthan and loses, it doesn't really mean that now the Buthanese players are world level or that the French team is Buthanese level. Sorry, but I refuse to believe that Andreas Obst is even on the same level of shooting guard as someone like Deving Booker. Let's be real, if the FIBA world cup actually mattered like an NBA ring to these players, there wouldn't be any competition.
@@nickklavdianos5136 Americans underestimate the talent pool of other countries. They believe anyone who do not make it to NBA, including American players playing in Europe, are shit. Dont forget that while Team USA with NBA stars finished 7th in 2002 and 2018 championship, a Team USA with European experience and NCAA student athletes won a bronze in 1998. NCAA preaches team oriented plays. Europe is basically the second chance for NBA rejects coming out of NCAA, and those Americans who play in Europe are no scrubs too.
@@I_FUCKING_HATE_TH-cam you aren't wrong, but look, for the last few Olympics, when the best American players actually bother to come and play, you barely won against France and Spain. A couple more missed shots and you'd not have won gold. It's close man, and other teams know that. Back in the day the difference in talent was larger, so everyone thought that playing against the USA was a foregone conclusion. But then things changed. Team USA started loosing. Games were not blowouts anymore, but close run affairs. So the other teams now know they have a chance. Team USA is still the best team on paper. It has the best talent. It's the heavyweight favourite. But basketball isn't played on paper. It's played on the court. And on the court, upsets can happen. Especially when Americans play iso and lackluster defense and haven't developed chemistry as a team.
The only thing I disagree with in the video is that it's ok to not care about anything else other than the gold. It's perfectly normal that the US would aim for the gold in every competition given that they generally have the much stronger roster, but sports in general and especially the Olympics are about giving your best and improve yourself as an individual and as a team, and if that best translates to a silver or gold medal, be proud of it
@@christiang5209 exactly, and then he says that that's because in the NBA the only important thing is to finish first and THAT'S OKAY, and I my comment I said that I disagree with that
I love how you don’t mention the fact that team USA barley had any time to play with each other while the other teams have played together many times already
Serbia had seond squad with new players and still managed to won silver and maybe even gold if Bogdanovic wasn't sick and Dobric got no injured in first quarter. You are just bad, deal with it.
Then start playing together and build a program. Euro players have NBA contract risk too yet they play and commit? The "we'd stomp everyone if we actually tried" is getting a little old.
The US basically insulted the FIBA World Cup by sending "Team C". The others sent their best! I would also lose respect and all fear of you. Wait until they get busted in the Olympics 😂😂😂😂😂
Seems to me that not going for offensive boards / not expecting anyone to do so is not a "difference between FIBA an NBA" but a difference in good and bad basketball.
Because the nba and most Star player don't really care about other championship. Just has to see the team they sent this year, look more like a C team..
This is no C team , despite what American commentators want you to believe. It's a team made of all-stars, the defensive player of the year and a bulging superstar in Anthony Edwards. Admitedly, it's not the A listers. It's not Lebron, Durant and Curry. But in 08 and 12 the A team (who also included peak Kobe Bryan and D Wade) had to go 8 gear to beat the Gasols and their FIBA bois. The greatest assemble of players ever put together bar the 92 Dream Team didn't roll over a tightly packed FIBA team containing only one superstar. What makes you think that the same team, 16 years later, where all these A listers are pushing 40 years old and haven't had an NBA MVP for a decade are going to roll over these FIBA superstars like Jokic Serbia, the Antetokumpos in Greecem a French team with Embiid and Wenbayama, this very Germany team or a Spain with this year's rookies already greased up and their point guards back in health. Yes of course US team is still a favourite. But not THE favourites. They're one team among 8.
I remember when USA lost ot Lithuania I was first upset we had to face them in the Semi Finals. Then I thought about it for 10 minutes and shrugged it off. Tell me 10 years ago we have to play USA and I'm frightened. Isn't that crazy?
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Those intelligent Lithuanians playing Reaves like no one did before them, stop trying to tap our national teams back for doing their homework. Reaves defensives inefficiencies ware exploited even in NBA also and it's no ground breaking concept.
Now as far as the USA national team goes, they did not even look like they wanted it, so combine it with bad habits created by NBA rules (that you point out) and here you get the outcome.
Yup. I think you missed to mention their program. That's one of the reasons why no one fears the USA anymore. They don't have a good program of retaining their players. I mean they have the money, it's not like the US is lacking in funds, why not pay the players enormous amounts of money. Say their contract is worth 50million, then divide that with the number of training days, games played, etc. And offer them that, so that at least they'd still not lose out. We all know most players right now aren't really about pride but more for money. This is also the reason why the dunk contest and their other events don't have stars playing or participating in them, they don't incentivize the players. Yeah it's honor, but do you really have to declare contracts like that especially since most of these players have a social media following and would look down on them for being petty for money, but being real, that's all there is to it right?
Another thing is continuation of coaching. What happened to the teachings of Mike? His proteges didn't learn anything from him? It's like they're forcing the NBA game into the world games when it's totally different. I remember in the redeem team documentary that Mike said that they had to adjust, the world won't adjust to them. To me that's a great philosophy that all teams should apply (I would love the Philippines to adopt this too, but greed prevents it from happening). It's like the US forgot that
No.
its there a difference with FIBA rules and Olympic rules?
@@chariza13 no
In Europe the focus is on studying the fundamentals, defense and team play. In the United States the emphasis is on turning players into super-athletes who jump, run and dunk. It's not a coincidence that Kobe once said that American kids don't learn the fundamentals of the game and he only learned them because he grew up in Italy.
exact. without kobe, spain must win olympic games. spain was better than american dream team. without italy kobe must not the great player that we know.
USA defense was embarrassing
@@prof.detroialuigi3966 relax there sunshine, spain were good, probably best in europe, but you were never on 2008 redeem teams level. Even without kobe that steam was stacked.
not just that, in the US everybody gets taught how to be "the guy" while in europe you get taught how to buy into your role and be the best version of it
@@fargucKobe saved USA team in the last quarter
Hence why the Denver Nuggets won the NBA Championship. Their style is somewhat comparable to FIBA basketball. They focused on teamplay, utilization of the post, and excellent off ball movements.
Exactly, all season long never have I watch a 20 minutes long Nuggets highlight. But they still won it all somehow
Same goes for the Warriors with their off-ball movement and a glue guy ( Draymond ).
I DONT THINK SO CAUSE DENVER NUGGETS IS USA HUMAN EVER😅1🤣🤣
Hence still world champions
No u know nothing about basketball
Young American talents are brought up with focus on iso play and creating offensive highlights - i.e. how to shine as an individual player - whereas e.g. European talents have the focus more on fundamentals such as defense or team play - i.e. how to win as a team... or in short: Americans focus more on becoming MVP and Europeans more on winning a Ring😉
Correct ✅
And it makes sense from a promotional standpoint, because the press has an easier time focusing on the individual skill, and creating those storylines and legends around them as the big stars they want them to be seen as by the fans. ESPN is especially great at creating that propaganda stuff. And they are already starting up the whole machinery for Wembanyama as we speak. The product on the floor of course gets weaker as we are seeing from the last 10 years or so, but not everyone might see it as such, especially casual fans who are often clueless to the intricacies of the sport and only root for a team to have a good time.
@thomasreichert9088, @MrSheduur EXACTLY what I'm thinking. You guys said it well.
Their youth was clearly a factor with bad habits creeping up to bite them in the final games of the playoffs. The "senior" team for the olympics won't have these mental lapses and should be fine.
Yeah that's right the nba really focuses on highlights and points. You can average below 10 points and still have a very big impact on the game
Basically, this is what Gregg Popovich has been doing throughout his coaching career in the NBA, which is under appreciated and that is why, probably, he prefers international players.
I am a Basketball and NBA Fan since 1992 and I must say that I enjoy watching FIBA Basketball more than NBA BBall
Yup. We play more serious 3 vs 3 pick up games every day than the sh*t you can see in regular season NBA games.
They're just clowns do what clowns do - clowning around.
Most games in European basketball (not just the Euroleague) are played to death, basically. You either win, or you die.
No such passion in the NBA. Not even in playoff games.
Nuggets winning the last title was literally like a walk in the park.
What the hell kind of title is that.
I wish FIBA World Cup was as popular as FIFA World Cup😢
@@bmsuperstar1 The world Title according to 'Murica. I guess when the next season ends it's Team Germany vs whoever wins? Or does Team Germany play Team Denver Nuggets for the world title?
And how does that work with Jokic? If Serbia win WC does he play for Serbia or Denver?
I know what his answer would be.
Also if you think this german team would not beat Nuggets... idk what to say to you.
@@farguc What? You're confronting me with my own stance.
I think the same way about this. Denver can't claim the world title because they wouldn't win sh*t without international players.
Without Jokić they aren't a playoff team.
Take Murray from them and they're bottom of the barrel, the worst team in a league.
I agree and its why I prefer college over nba games. It feels different when the fans, players and coaches all care about the outcome.
Basketball is a team game outside the USA. Thatˋs by far point one. Taking pride in playing physical defense and being allowed to is number 2. I was a NBA Junkie back in the 90ˋs, what was Kind of unique here in germany, but since 15-20 years I‘m not able to watch the NBA anymore. It‘s boring all star kind of playing. The worldcup was so nice to watch, tactically and physically and I don‘t say it because germany won.
Well said 👍
Absolutely on point NBA is just flashy most of the time. The grind of the 1990's and early 2000's is no more. Euroleague Basketball remibds me much more to that great era of NBA.
Ach komm' schon...du sagst das sowieso nur weil ihr gewonnen habt...😉😂
Gratuliere übrigens noch zum Titel, dies wird unserem kleinen Land, wo Basketball ca. an 13. Stelle kommt, leider nie passieren. 😂
Yes, you're only saying this because Germany won
@@ayidonno Ok, I'm Lithuanian and I second what he said. Is it because Lithuania came 6th? Because it's not what I wanted for my team at all.
Going back on topic - NBA is only worth watching for the playoffs and the finals. It's the only time the players actually try.
Because Team USA with all NBA players never play team basketball. That's why I prefer watching EuroLeague than the NBA. Just my opinion, though.
This is true but u also gotta remember World Cup is always for B squad until they assemble the avengers for Olympics last winner other than usa winning gold was Argentina during the 2000s only 3 countries have done so if I believe being USSR Argentina and Yugoslavia
That being said I watch both Euroleague n NBA a lot way too much lol I do love fiba the most as well fiba also consists of different rule becuz of how big the court is plus the different rule sets this team usa squad also bought very shitty bigs which is what Germany exposed being their shitty ability to play off ball rebound n play defense
Literally, ive seen 2 full NBA games and both of them were the worst two hours ive ever spent watching something. Most of the time they were running back and forth only shooting (and missing) threes. No defense, no hustle, no teamplay
@@yurrr4592 In the three Olympics they need the best performances from Kobey (2008 and 2012) and Durant (2020) to win gold.
but but but they can jump high and constantly yell cringe ass shit like "IM HIM". How is it not your favorite league? @@lilclorox8558
I actually like the idea of team USA picking players that play overseas for the world cup, since most NBA stars only care about the Olympics. I bet those overseas players would form a much better unit and they'd love to represent their country during a FIBA world cup.
it goes against that whole concept of how americans think that us players going overseas are basically too shit to play in the domestic league or even g-league so giving those "exiled" players a shot in the nationalteam is almost insulting and worse than sending guys like rookie of the year etc.
Fiba will not allow this too… USA is the most popular international basketball team on earth in terms of fan base and bringing Euroleague American players will not agree from some extent from fiba marketing purposes
They have already tried it in World Cup '98. US sent just overseas American players to play in the tournament because of the NBA players' strike. Results - US bronze only. With the World getting more "hoops sophisticated", using the same formula in this iteration of FIBA World Cup or next year's Olympics would be even more disastrous for Team USA.
I would starz with bringing coaches from europe, why you need to bring 3 nba head coaches and no experts in fiba ball ... I am not sure, if lue scouted everygame, but i know he made the scout report for lithuania and i doubt he knows the players from them, and he is handicapped finding the right solution when he isn't an expert in the fiba game. And it isnt like when you are a superior coach on fiba level, you get a chance in the nba so you can not argue that the best coaches are in the nba.
@@christiang5209 Sadly, the Murican coaches will never allow that knowing that the European ones are more brutal than them softies.
Much like in the Philippines when the coaching Mafia (led by that Long Haired Guy) that got Chot the Gilas job are up in arms when Tab talked real about tactical immaturity.
TLDR: Bloated crap of an Ego of both coaching orgs.
FIBA at its core is sports, NBA at its core is entertainment.
Both need absolute monsters of players to succeed, even though their kind may vary.
But one is extremely uninteresting to me and the other is a classic competition in which I have the utmost respect for whoever comes out on top. Man, it kinda sucks to see how great the NBA players are (or can be) and then how lame their league is.
I completely agree! Thank you
The NBA is a circus, the rules have been twisted so that highlights are extremely likely. Defense is made almost impossible, how are you supposed to learn to play real basketball under such circumstances. It's also a shame that the individualists are paid many times more than the players who hold the team together and do all the little things that are necessary to win.
Yeah i got tired of hearing news about the team oriented players getting cut just because they don't show up in the weekly highlights, no wonder half of the teams implode sooner rather than later
NBA becomes interesting only during the play-offs. The rest is a waste of money.
It's funny how making it supposedly more 'entertaining' actually makes the league LESS entertaining.
The same thing happened in hockey 20 years ago, Canada has learned to adapt our game when we transition to IIHF / Olympics. We prioritize team chemistry at the U18 & U20 levels.
Good comparison. Hockey had a similar development really and Germany development in both sports is a good demonstration of it since Germany also made 2nd place in this year's IIHF world's.
One more reason.
Europeans have the pleasure of watching such great in-depth analyses from european basketball-related media (like BasketNews), whilst in the US ‘basketball analysis’ has been associated the last years, with the silly non-basketball related comments of various Stephen As and Skips.
So is Jordan or LeBron better? Haha
Great Take. But Americans can watch this channel too, right? German (national) media absolutely sucks on sports coverage…they just showed the final.
@@AugustasSuliauskas I will let the man (MJ) answer himself, using the examples of Jack Nicklaus and Tiger Woods (in probably on one of his most interesting interviews ever) -> th-cam.com/video/JfJYyN2GGts/w-d-xo.html 😉
American sports media have so many NFL and boxing analysts talking about basketball. They also get reporters who never touched a basketball in their lives to analyze NBA games. And when they get an actual NBA player, they get a halfwit like Kendrick Perkins. This is why TNT > ESPN.
The NBA is not really interested in old team basketball; their worldcup results just confirms that we have to keep on watching the Euroleague.
I think that Augustas is right, the two game style differences are going to increase in the future, but someone should be wondering where did some of the not very athletic european players in the NBA get their impressive basketball IQ from. Maybe old team basketball?
Honestly this is all on the US' current basketball Culture. From current (2015ish on) highschool aau all the way to the nba they have demphasized some of the aspects of the fundamentals of basketball. And its hard for their develped habbits to transfer over. Its not a issue if you're just thet much more talented, but when that gap is close, it hurts. Also the NBA demphasizing the post player has allowed bigs from overseas to come in and dominate the post as well.
The only US superstar prospect with amazing fundamentals I’ve seen is Cooper Flagg. He’s amazing in every area on the court
Even Kobe said that USA players aren't fundamentally sounded
It didn't start in 2015 bud, this goes back as early as the late 90s & early 2000s. I witnessed all of it.
Yeah its been in the making for last 20 years. Changes to the rules to create a more appealing faster pace product has led them to this. Really talented guys that can only play streetball.
Put Austin in Barceloma for 3 seasons and he will be one of the best guards in euroleague with solid fundamentals.
Iggy is a good example. Struggled first half of last season, came into his own this tournament, expect him to have a great season this year, now that hes warmed up to fiba basketball.
Do you think it has something to do with the rise of social media and everybody wanting a mixtape? Mixtape were only achievable if you play great ISO ball or jump insanely high
Because they know if you play defence they will struggle
I remember in the 90s/00s when the NBA was a super physical league, and European/international players were too soft for the NBA game. Now it's the exact opposite. The NBA outlawed defense and physical play so the games would be high-scoring and its megastars like LeBron and Steph could play into their 40s and not get injured as often. All about money. Peja Stojakovic took a while to toughen up, people thought Yao Ming would be way too skinny and weak.
Exactly.
True!
Neither Yao, nor Peđa were weak physically at any point of their careers.
Peđa was always a huge guy, wide shoulders, wide back, way too tall for SF position.
Yao was of course extremely tall, but never weak.
I'd argue about European players, especially ones from Balkan, are actually a lot stronger on average than NBA players.
NBA players are stronger in the extremes, but on average it's not even a competition.
Jokić is a top 3 player today when it comes to strength. There isn't a single player he can't back down all the way. Not even Adams or Embiid can stop him, and those are the strongest guys alongside Jokić.
Even those two aren't Americans, so my point stands.
American players are more athletic, but that's about it.
I agree with first half with second unfortunately not so much. LeBron and Curry literally put millions in their bodies from optimal training food regime and everything else. LeBron with 40ishh is still better then 90% of players in NBA, Curry is probably the best off movement player in the whole world and he works n run like crazy making jump shots and threes good luck guarding him that’s why he can put on your ass like 40 easily no matter what kind of Defense you put on him cuz he is much more ready then any defender that goes up against him. Just my 2 cents on that topic but I agree with the rest:)
Damn thats some good content. Get this guy to USA coaching staff
instant gold medal 🪙
Coach Spoelstra knows this! He was assistant, he coached in Germany and follows European game
Hell NO! Would be like a cheat code for them.
He'd get fired first week if he started talking about heads out defence and boxing out
let's not forget, with NBA contracts reaching astronomical $$$$ numbers, NBA players are more and more likely not to participate in non-NBA games to avoid risk of injury.
Maybe CBA can work something into Super Max Contract requirement, that the player has to compete in international competition at least once to be eligible for Super Max contract...
That doesn't stop them from playing certain REC / Exhibition games during the summer.
Thanks for the video! I think the main difference between the NBA and Europe is the mentality of the game. For better or worse the NBA is entertainment, like going to a movie, rather than a competitive sport. They want constant action and like American movies everything has to be very fast and spectacular, lots of points, lots of dunks, nobody wants to see a game ending 58-62. And I think that mentality also gets to the players, of course they all want to win, but they also know that if they lose it's not the end of the world. The fans will still pay hundreds of dollars for a seat in the next match, their team is not going to be relegated anyway and life goes on. Compare that with a derby game in Greece, Serbia, or Turkey for example and the atmosphere between the two. There you have to win, even if it's an ugly win and you'll have to make fouls, you'll have to be aggressive in defence and stop the other guy from scoring, even if you don't score. I don't think that many NBA players have that frame of mind.
One aspect that gets rarely mentioned is the BEAUTY of game as exhibited especially by the two baltic teams, and Serbia.
Smart and beautiful ❤️ basketball. 😮😊😊😊
I might just add that this why guys like Jokic, Doncic and others expose same thing during NBA games where they simply trick play young american talents with some veteran moves. I think they even said they enjoy watching Euroleague more than NBA because of this.
This is the truth, NBA is like watching WWE , just show not basketball.If the NBA hadnt so high player contracts many talents would be off the NBA
idea of olmympic basketball being more important and tougher then Fiba world cup is stupid, Olympics have only 12 teams loads of great team will miss oppurtunity to play and in fiba almost every good team will have a shot at history
Never heard of Olympic basketball being more important than World cup. It must be an American thing
@@liul it is. The rest of us actually use our brains and hold the World Cup at the same or greater importance.
@@liulit is an American thing 😊
@@liul it 100% is. I can see their reason behind it due to it being more rare, and there is also alot of history playing into this, the whole rivalry with russia back then, and then building this revenge team to get the gold back to the USA etc.
@@MrSheduur The FIBA Basketball World Cup is the flagship event of FIBA which is the world governing body for basketball! It's like the equivalent of FIFA World Cup for football! Both tournaments are held every 4 years just like the Olympics! FIBA Basketball World Cup is actually more basketball centric because it only features basketball unlike the Olympics which feature multiple sports and different types of athletes!
Great analysis of the different playing styles, thanks.
thank you very much, I appreciate the comment
when Alexsa started the full court press i was like "what he doing?" cos nba has broken my brain lol
Lol that's what he does every game every time he steps on the floor
NBA players almost allow the other team to score so they can get the ball back faster.
This is what you get when you put too much focus on teaching players to shine by themselves instead of winning as a team. That's the AAU system for you. Also, another problem is that you never have the same squad between tournaments so you rarely have the same core of guys joining, thus you cant build chemistry and a reliable gameplay/philosophy.
USA needs to form a permanent national team. Even if you only get 5 superstars to commit, if you fill the rest with 7 role players, that would be a good team because the experience of playing with each other for multiple years will make them 10 times better as a team.
NBA regular season basketball isn’t professional sports. It’s just a fancy pick up game with a huge amount of talent but majorily lacking in fundamentals.
The reason why the heat were able to get to the finals as an 8th seed is proof of that. Even the better regular season teams lack fundamentals which gets exposed in the playoffs. Take for example my favorite team, the celtics. They are supposed to be ”the most talented team” (whatever that means) but they get exposed in the playoffs all the time in many different areas for the lack of discipline on how they play.
FACTS
Damn you just summarized the NBA better than anyone else in two sentences
i mean, what can we expect from a league without relegations, this is what happens
@@jitox USA is more a corporation than a country. The idea of relegation is the uncertainty of money for these people. The sport comes secondary to the money in their pockets
@@jitoxRelegations and the draft don’t really mesh together in American sports, the NBA included.
I think that it's about damn time for Team USA to have professional players who play in Europe because they're the ones who have experience in European-style set plays and actually knows FIBA rules. For me, USA Basketball should go beyond the NBA.
Fiba will not allow this too… USA is the most popular international basketball team on earth in terms of fan base and bringing Euroleague American players will not agree from some extent from fiba marketing purposes
@@robertotampioc7318 wat? There are plenty of americans on euroleague. And that league LIKE EVERY OTHER LEAGUE, doesnt care where you are from as long as you play good. This is why you suck at international level at every sport, look at how you talk, NO ONE CARES where you are from in professional sports
@@anthonym8395, do you realize that Lithuania and Germany (both beat USA) have 2 or 3 NBA players and the rest are Euroleague players? The USA is a factory of great guards and shooting guards. Not all of them make it to the NBA, but that does not mean they are no good.
@@anthonym8395what a dump anwer from u…u know your squad got banged from mostly euroleague or eurocup players? And before the tournament most usa fans said it would be a cake walk…now its team b or c after the loss…honestly a lot of us americans are just ignorant and bad losers….
@@jotavetresbeating the c team
If you actually played basketball at any level you know sound coaching, fundamentals, and tough defense can beat talent. Team USA just feels we can throw talent at the World and that will be enough cause it used to be enough. NBA has a lot of bad habits that we ignore because it is exciting to watch, but the World has learn to exploit those bad habits especially since they all have a few NBA players on their team now too.
On point, I agree.
Nice analysis..that’s why FIBA for me is the best standard of basketball tournament and rules…Coz it is more on developing team game..even if the usa send their best iso players they are gonna be exposed specially if the team from other countries knows how to use the FIBA rules…
Continuity is a huge advantage that often gets overlooked. The USA teams usually have a few weeks to build chemistry while the foreign teams have been playing together for YEARS. How is this never mentioned?
In Europe, when a kid begins to play basketball, the coaches try to teach them everything. Every fundamentals, every speciality of every post from 1 to 5, handling, position play, passing, close out, man to man amd zone defense and anybody else. And, in at the end of the high school years the kid will have a lot of infos what he will never forget. And, after that he finds a place and position where he can give the maximum.
The best examples areJokic and Doncic. They learned every basketball fundamentals before they arrived to the USA.
That's ridiculous. Euro and even South American teams started beating very good teams comprised of NBA players 20 plus years ago. Then for some reason they couldn't anymore. Now they are somewhat getting back to where they were. Their countries are generally too small (so they don't have the talent pool) and the sport isn't popular enough in their countries
Beating Goliaths makes wonders for the popularity of a sport in a country.
Fantastic video, hit the nail on the head and a lot of what you said is the stuff I've been trying to say since Team Canada lost to Serbia. That was an eye opening experience. I mostly watch NBA, but a lot of what pisses me off about NBA, seems not to be a problem in Europe. My only problem with watching Euroleague is being able to find a team that I can relate to. But Serbia made me realize that the fundamentals are lost over here.
Thank you! Even though Canada were a better prepared team than USA. Clear hierarchy in the team, defensive potential, it was just Serbia who played a fantastic game there. Canada couldn't do much vs aggressive defense. Anyway, I heard a lot of people saying 'only if we had this quality in the NBA games, how much fun it would be' obv talking about regular season since playoffs are a different story
I immediately gravitated towards Real Madrid and Barcelona because they had football teams that I'm familiar with. I would watch Euroleague on illegal streams. 😅
I like that final thought. a lot of Americans play in Europe, They can easily build a core team and then add 3 or 4 NBA superstars to the mix.
And then everybody would be pretty happy in my eyes. Great idea
And then those superstars be like - What!? Who are you!? - to their teammates and playing iso.
Perfect analyse. Doesn't matter if you bring team A-B-C-D-whatever excuse, if they don´t defend. Scoring was not a problem, defending was.
Great breakdown Augustus. I am an American, and I like the idea of maybe having oversees American players added to these competitions. Guys like Mike James might jump at the chance to represent the USA. One thing, for years Jeff Van Gundy was the American coach of the USA teams that had to qualify for these tournaments and he used a mix of G league guys and some overseas players. He and his staff did well and learned the FIBA game and coached accordingly. I thought instead of getting a big name like Kerr, they should have chosen a guy like Van Gundy who had plenty of experience coaching in the FIBA competitions.
Us should have called johanatan motley one of best euroleagues centers with big iq and wide arm span.Also will clyburn,wade baldwin,elijah bryant,kevin punter
That was a great analysis, thanks! Looking forward for your next videos! Greetings from Germany!
Thank you and congrats again!
They are probably still the best with all stars, but we are closer then ever...
NBA is the strongest league in the WORLD, that's a fact! And you earn the most money. The players there are also more talented. But the big difference to European basketball is that Europe is always defined by the team. and that in all sports. And that doesn't suit American basketball. Because this franchise system and the salary cap are also the big problem there. In Europe we learn how to use even the weakest member most effectively. Because everyone can do something very well somewhere. When I think about the USA building a Eurobasketball team... that would be a nightmare for everyone. It's no longer spectacular basketball, but it's most effective! greetz from germany
Remove the 3 second rule for defenders in the NBA. US rules got corrupted by a desire for high scores and shining stars.
That ad transition is as smooth as your cut, brother.
Love this explanation. Always had a problem with people saying USA has bad fundamentals. You don't earn millions with bad fundamentals, there must be a structural reason. And you nicely explained that the pace in the NBA make boxing out a bad play in many situations, so it's not ingrained into your body.
Knowing how to box out is fundamentals
@@TMPOUZI well I agree but they do not not do it because they are badly trained idiots they do not do it because it's irrelevant to their game.
@@TMPOUZI or in short they aren't lazy they just play a different kind of game
@@LaymensLament yes but constant run n' gun isn't fundamentally the game of basketball, it's a different sport, that's my point. When all teams play like that like in the nba, then you have a chance. But once in a while you have teams like the Spurs or now the Nuggets that implement fundamentals and are able to make dynasties
@@TMPOUZI you seem to be alright, so here is what i actually think. in matters of trying to understand whats going on in the world, i would be careful with argueing on the basis of incompetence (its just a good rule of interpretation to try to find "rule following"/"positive" explanations first). these organizations make an insane amount of money and have many employees and we have very limited insight (what we see on court + hear from media + what we come up with). its very likely there is a reason why they play transition focused basketball thats practically tied to win chance and not because no one in the nba understands that its better to box out and run off ball curls (like we do in europe, when we play in teams at the lower level eh?) or that they have no players that have the skills to do it. i mean if it was like this they would just get 5 euroleague players and make millions.
there will be some sort of "social information" going on (e.g. modelling oneself on the currently best teams) but in general it is very likely that they know why they wanna play like this and why it works. i mean its less spicey to say than "americans bad, no boxout lul" but its probably a better description of "the world", if you find a reason that argues on the basis of them doing something right.
some of the best players in the nba rn come from europe. the fact that they now seem to play better not only in the fiba system but also in the nba would give me pause for thought as an american...
The US team lost despite their gameplan functioning 100% they shot 60-90-50, they scored 111 in a semifinal i am sure any american would immediately take these numbers. European basketball seems to work better with fiba rules and having the individual class to keep up with the US means the European teams can beat the US team as they have done time and time again, Germany this year, Lithuania, France, Greece.
This was your greatest video so far!
Wow, thanks a lot!
Who love basketball, as someone who watched both NBA and Euroleague and even games in National leagues in Europe...my advice to USA people who love the game is to give European basketball a chance. Soon they will find out how big lie NBA is. Euroleague is so much more complex with many important layers of the game, effort, emotion, passion.. simply more interesting than NBA and quality is in constant grow.
I mean EuroLeague is the World Cup going all year round simply with less talent
NBA is like the premier league in football, I'm sorry but it's simply the best
@@ayidonno except it's not the same. NBA just don't have it even with the fact that they buy more players from Europe.
Just watch, invest some time in both leagues and come back to talk. I don't think you will claim the same.
same shit happened here in Canada with hockey - tho we are by far the highest percentage of pros in the NHL, the world is getting better.
And Germany is also hot on your heels in this sport now :D
canada dominated what? 10 years in a row at most?
@@josefharasek7487From the 1920s to the 1970s ,even after that Canada has won most best on best tournaments. Canada has won a bunch of world championships lately with different rosters each time. Canada is doing well. But there are strong challengers for sure.
@@basilcarroll9729 its not comparable. canada had long periods where they were challenged or straight beaten up.
@@josefharasek7487 Oh yes challenged for sure and sometimes beaten, but best on best they usually win. There are a lot of Countries that can ice a world class team., especially Russia ,Sweden, Czechia ,USA ,Finland. Each country has more than 20 great players.
amazing analysis. great work!
Thanks a lot!
USA DIDN'T THINK INTERNATIONAL COMPETITION MATTER OR IS IMPORTANT UNTIL NOAH LYLES (a track and field athlete) SAID SOMETHING, NOW THAT WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP MEANS SOMETHING THEY WILL ACTUALLY SEND THEIR BEST PLAYERS
I think that even the stars will not help them win in france. The real stars like Lebron, Curry, KD are too old and slow on defense now, while the current allstars are mostly guys who are unproven divas mostly known for choking in big games (hello Tatum, Trae, Ja...). I cannot wait for the olympics to start and teams like Serbia, Germany, Spain and France dismantling the USA team on defense. Because this is whats gonna happen if they think they only need to roll out the big names and they simply have to show up.
Trae wanted to play this year, but didnt get his chance he must be team D.
Yes Germany, Serbia France or Spain are real teams. USA, only called Team. My opinion
That’s so true
@@ralfmeyer9086I appreciate your casual opinion
@@ralfmeyer9086 I mean people make fun of the US for finishing 4th but Spain finished 9th and France 18th. Imagine if they US finished like that?!
Watching this years fiba was a huge breath of fresh air as the NBA has become harder to watch with poor basketball iq
Great Analysis🔥🏀💪🏼
Thank you!
I back to watch NBA in the season of 2012-2013, and in that season only 9 players score more than 20 ppg, and in the past season the number of players that average 20 ppg plus was 43! And 6 players with 30 plus! Thats told you what happend with the defence in this league...
Very comprehensive and thoughtful
Appreciate it, thank you
I fully agree with your analysis.Very well said. Only a slight remark on your intro statement: Why everybody = Why everbody in the USA. It appears to me, that this (NBA championship is the world championship) is a debate only in the USA and maybe Canada. The overwhelming majority of the world is following this debate with some amusement.
NBA Championship being a world championship wasn't a debate because we haven't called an NBA Champion as world champions in likely decades - at least not officially.
Noah Lyles was likely upset that the NBA / Team USA was getting more coverage than the US Track and Field team during their world championships. Lyle used it as a moment to put the spotlight on himself and USTAF and it worked! Besides, Team USA didn't even medal in the last World Cup.
Thank you. Yeah it seems to me as well. I think Giannis said what everybody thinks here outside of USA
There's nothing to be afraid. FIBA basketball is top notch than NBA. You can be physical, you can taunt, no flooping call, no soft foul, A Real basketball for real man to be called WORLD CHAMPION.
I really think that the NBA won’t stay THIS ahead of the other leagues for long… yes, the money will stay there, but players outside the US can just play longer and be healthier with more free time
wait till Saudi buys all of the best players, especially the European ones
@@msakiblab i really hope this doesn't happen but probably more than 50% of nba players only care about the money so it will definitly happen
I would love to see Real Madrid, Partizan, and Barcelona, etc play in NBA pre season. Not sure if it means much but still would be cool. Some of these teams are quite recognizable due to their football/soccer counterparts.
@@WyldStallion-bs9oo Bayern Munich Basketball 🥲
It will be ahead in terms of generating money. It will probably only extend the gap. But will it help their national team? Probably not
They don't take the world cup serious while other countries send they best players. They put all they focus on the Olympics and the gold 🥇.
As a basketball noob, why is the negativity towards the american teams tactics so strong, when they were only 2 points away from germany? They must've been doing pretty well in order to be that close.
Let me remind me that these are still NBA players while Germany have only a couple from there. So talent/athleticism wise, you have a huge gap between USA & Germany towards USA side. But I'm looking at it from other perspective? If their talent advantage is so big why they even lost by 2 points?
What I see as a big red flag is that in any close game the us play in, the score of both teams are always really high. The current us basketball focuses so much on offense that defense becomes less important for them. Just look at the difference between germany - us and germany - serbia. It's very hard to keep the us stars from scoring even while having an elite defense but its not that hard to score on them either
They aren't trying to get injured in meaningless games lol
@@imsalty5539The World Cup is only meaningless to USA. For some reason they only care about the Olympics and the NBA of course.
@@imsalty5539 for a “meaningless game" they all did seem to be very disappointed... The fans and media even more so
@@imsalty5539If those games are meaningless, why join in the first place?
@@retrictumrectus1010 bored
If the same rules were applied to all players, i very much doubt team USA would be having any kind of success internationally. And i do mean it. The refs are EXTREMELY lenient to both team USA and Canada too. They even let them play with their own rules in their game for 3-4th. When we see the refs not being so lax with team USA then we might see what their real status is internationally. Until that time, any other conversation imo is pointless. Its outrageous to watch honestly. The EU players are at a serious disadvantage because of that. Always have been. And its unfair. Go watch any game of team USA through the past 20 years , hardly half their scored points is from illegal moves. Its insane. Did you guys actually watch the game between USA and Canada ? This was NOT FIBA basketball.
trae young, jayson tatum, devin booker, lebron, curry, damain lillard, dearon fox and kd are all playing in the olympics next year we will see what ur saying then
@@OMG-si3wnold farts, and green stuff for the Olympics. For FIBA world cup?
Excellent Vid! You brought facts as to why USA Basketball performed so poorly this year. Kudos to ya!
thank you, appreciate the comment!
Great analysis, Arturas. There are many variables. 1.USA didnt send their top.players. 2.Different rules & size of court. 3.Teamwork & unity of european teams. 4.Less physicality, more strategy by european teams. 5.Europeans have stopped having fear for NBA players, as they see many European players doing well in NBA. 6.European players are more ambitious & passionate about winning the WC.
4. Less physicality? I disagree. Maybe you mean pace or transition. Fiba and especially Euroleague officials let physical game way more than nba officials
They literally call NBA champ World Champions. so why bother?...
Less physicality ??? 😐
It's the opposite. Sure nba players are on average bigger, taller, stronger/more athletic but the game is less physical in the nba because of the rules, court size &, tactics. The us game today is fast pace, iso, soft defense and stretch. These are not the ingredients for a physical basketball game.
Their top players are old and is about to retire
This is basically a showcase of how today's NBA team will fare vs those from the 1990s
USA team composed of only euroleague players and a coach who knows europian ball would also be the favourites to win the competitions in my opinion
is so funny americans now want american players who play in euroleague, but European players who play on the Nba can Stomp nba players on Fiba and on nba. Maybe is just that europeans are actually better ,the mvp of the nba is european and the world champs are europeans so just looking at the facts, yeah, us is not the powerhouse anymore
Imagine an NBA team USA and a Euroleague team USA and first they have to play eachother to decide which team is allowed to play in the world cup or olympics.🙂
@@jitoxThe last 5 MVP havent been americans. 🤷🏻♂️😂
@@strasbourgerelsass1467 oh.. i only knew about jokic, its been a while since i seriously follow the nba. Omg now i really dont get why they were mad at the world champiosn thing hahaha is ridiculous. You made my day hahahah
@@kevindevlieger300wade baldwin,jordan loyd,clyburn,nunnally,punter,motley,nigel hayes-davis,mckissik and many others is a deadly team
USA's culture idealises the Russell Westbrook type player. High athleticism, high skill, high energy but also high ego and low bball IQ.
European culture (and many other places, such as Australia) idealises Nikola Jokic types - great fundamentals, high IQ, a team bball focus and strong humility. That's what really wins championships, no matter which competition it is.
Wait, the US claims this is only their Team C. We have a pretty good idea on who would compose their Team A or their "Avenger" squad. But if the last FIBA US squad was Team C, then who is Team B? I honestly would like to have your answers, people.
If you know "Team A" and "Team C", "Team B" is a no brainer
Team A is the big names, Team B C D etc is just the rest.
There is no B team. Its a lie americans tell themselves.
Only B team that would do better would be americans playing in europe.
I genuinely believe that top euroleague americans would do better than this team.
They can't because that WAS their team B. I'd be nervous for team USA. Too much bravado. Their young guys are simply not that great, and Steph and KD are all getting up there in age. Somebody has to remind LeBron that he may not be able to bully Dillon Brooks on the international stage, and in the international media, only the American media like ESPN will suck his dick. Le Monde and France 24, they dgaf, they'll throw LeNarcissist to the wolves. They can talk Booker and Tatum all they want, but that's technically team A, not B. They can talk KAT or Jimmy Butler, but that's still team A.
The real truth is that the Europeans have taken over basketball until they really are dethroned next year.
@@aedaed3605 How many people are on "Team A"??
I count 12...
@darrengordon-hill ... Do you have a point? Even DB wasn't scared of LeBron in the playoffs, even if he did have a bad series. Of course LeBron would have a hand in bullying DB through media outlets, so that's an unfair advantage. And DB ended up wiping the floor with Anthony Edwards as payback, anyway.
Not even the Canadians are scared of whatever Revenger team LeNick Fury will come up with. Canada was missing Wiggins, Jamal Murray, and other key players. Team Canada at full strength would whoop ass with Team USA's "Team A"
Great Analysis, as always 👍
Thank you!
Great Work 👍🏻greetings from „Champion of the World“land
Thank you, congrats again
Great techinal breakdown, thanks.
thanks to NBA's success we have more international player in the NBA indeed one argument has been the number of white american players has diminished as they now can get reasonably athletic europeans that can shoot the ball.
It is also clear that in the US shooting & ball movement is is not prized as much as athleticism and ball handling.
It s often taught differently, we teach that basketball is a passing game and it feels like in the uS it is taught as a dribbling game
it means that even superstars in euroleague pass the ball and do not score loads of points even when dominating where as in the NBA player routinely now go for 30 40 and even 50 is now harly celebrated.
it is a style thing and I suspect even if the NBA adopted FIBA rules that style thing would not change if your best players all learn to play a certain style in order to get noticed ( you have high schooler with mixtapes of highlights) you are not going to get 10 player that can play without the ball 10 player that value defence, these guys are prima donnas before you get to tip off of their first year of basketball at kindergarten.
Now would the most talented be any better ? yes but lets be honest how often do you see Lebron or KD boxing out?
the reality is these guys are not scary because teams now want to play them and beat them and not collect their autographs so whilst there is a bigger talent pool and often better athleticism in the US it does not always translate into better basketball
Agree 100%. I’m Black and can tell you there’s a culture problem with basketball that excludes white guys who can’t mimic the black urban game. So the US is actually limiting their talent pool by disrespecting white ballers. Here’s a stereotype white guy - shooter, soft, weak handles, get up on him. Well not so with Serbia, Lithuania and Spain. By contrast Germany of all countries best player is a black guy. Even Montenegro has a Black guy.
There’s a problem when the undertone is not to bring back Austin Reaves. Truly hope that kid Cooper Flagg gets a legit shot in the NBA.
@@cn3460 yeah I watch alot of yt basketball and you are right, especially on parks there is so much shit talk when ppl are white it is crazy lol, and ppl act like this is totally normal to throw around racial stereotypes and insults at times even.
@@MrSheduur - frankly we are loosing the integrity of the game and we need to improve that part of black culture. Some of us are quietly rooting against Team USA. Winning only emboldens this culture while loosing might humble some people and help with integrating the game at home. That humility will only occur after the finger pointing and blaming subsides.
@@cn3460 yeah I can see that. Alot of revenge type culture going strong among black americans right now instead of trying to come together more, with all the shit humans are facing. not easy with all the trumpism and white guys going crazy for that shit though... complicated situation.
I totally agree with everything said in this video the breakdown is 1000000% spot on FIBA and nba basketball are two different things. NBA focus is on pick and role at the top with shifty guard play vs FIBA which is to attack the obvious height mismatch
Back in the 90s and 2000s lots of college coaches like Dean Smith, Coack K and others came to Europe and taught fundamentals, nowadays with players jumping from highschool to g league, and AAU popularity because of social media, the focus is only on athletic highlights and 1 v 1, they basically unlearned how to play the transport of Basketball not to mention everything else, US that was once a global leader is unfortunately sinking in all aspects. And the sad thing is that there are people that actually think things are improving 🤦🏻
Coach K also had Giannakis to teach him 2-3 things.
pure class analysis...i really learned something ...thank you
greats insights, you guys rock!
Excellent video! The points are valid. It may be bad news for USA basketball, but the World benefits from more interest in the game.
Thanks a lot! Interested to see how it evolves
Curious: how successful would FIBA style play be in the NBA? Why would this style of play be successful or not?
Interesting one. With NBA guys you mean on the roster but a European coach dictating everything for like couple of years? Then maybe yeah after some time it could be successful but I think FIBA rules is the key here. It changes the game completely
2 answers. San Antonio Spurs in the past and Denver Nuggets currently
Another great take! 🔥
Thank you
My prediction - Lithuania, Germany, Serbia, even Canada can't be ruled out for the gold medal on Olympics. I think US has a great chance like they always do, but I don't think they're such a great threat like they used to be in the previous decades.
They stopped being great threats in 2004. Kobe redeemed the team in 2008 and 2012 but after that, everyone knows Team USA is starting to become a declining empire.
@@gambitacio USA won in 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016, 2021 wtf are you talking about clown lol
Probably Latvia too.
@@nickklavdianos5136 let's wait a couple more tournaments before we start going crazy on Latvia, okay? :)
You're a little late with this comment. They barely won in 2021 against France even dropping a group game. 2008-2016 had Spain push them to single possession games in the knockout/gold medal rounds. 2004 was bronze. 2000 US almost lost to Lithuania in the semis. Their luck is running out with 4 of the top 6 MVP candidates in the NBA not being American (Embiid, Jokic, Giannis, Luka, SGA etc..). Something will have to give and putting a bunch of A lister prima donnas on the same roster isn't going to be the guaranteed fix everyone thinks it is. It wasn't easy before, it'll be even harder now.
Another factor before was that nba and fiba rules and even courts were different. But now more and more international players play in that league and can adapt to their new environment, then transform their playstyle playing in fiba
Here is the thing... can anyone name an AMERICAN Post "back to the basket", good offensive Big? Even Lopez nowadays is used as a perimeter spotup shooter. Or an elite Rebounder? Its remarcable. AD was the best rebounder last season... and the only american in the Top10! And he barely qualifyed, cause he cant stay healthy.
The US has problems to adjust their perimeter defense to the european style. Thats true. But by far the biggest problem is the lack of fundamentally sound Big Man. And thats all by design. US Bigs nowadays have to jump, shoot, stretch the floor and handle the ball in the US youth and AAU system. Not so in europe. Even Wemby, who can do all of that has remarcable footwork in the paint, on offense and defense! I mean, just look at the best true Bigs in the NBA. AD... and the rest are europeans + Embiid and Adams. 😉
Yep. Almost every NBA big guy who rebounds and plays back to the basket (but is also slower) is European
Luka has said that it’s easier to score in the nba. This is a perfect video to back up that quote.
FIBA and NBA is almost like comparing American Football and Rugby 😁
A good rugby team and a good am. football team in mixed rules. Who would win?
@@TMPOUZIone half of an American football team can't run more than 30 seconds at a time.
Yes. And Rugby is FIBA. So much more fun to watch.
Its like watching WWE and real wrestling.
@@MrThessalonikiman1 hahahaa 🤣
Off the ball movement is what made the Warriors and Steph succeed. Many teams in the NBA learned to adapt to that. It is by no means the primary factor leading to the USA loss. The lack of big man and your first point about rebounding was.
Interesting point. But did they really learn to adapt? After all, GSW won multiple titles. The only thing others managed to think of, is switching-all, to take away the concentration and screen navigation part. And they are still at the top of league causing havoc with that, only that their bench is not always up to the high standard of winning the chip.
It's too much offense now. Now, I don't wanna go back completely to the 90s and especially the 00s with really no ball movement and solely focused on defense, but remember the Pistons? They were really good, they didn't iso much, moved the ball and are still amazing at defense, so were the Spurs.
Switching is good, but you gotta know your personnel. Before during the redeem team, they can switch all they want because they had great centers and forwards like Dwight and Bosh who were monsters on the board and still know how to box out. Also, GSW can do that because they have tall, athletic, and defensive driven wings and Dray during his peak can defend almost anybody. Like the video said, JJJ is a DPOY but his defensive style is a roamer, he's not a straight up defender like Bosh, Dwight, nor Dray was. Also Banchero is the worst defensive player they could have and he was positioned as the center? The position where usually is the last line of defense?
Sorry but Kerr and Hill became just like Chot Reyes (Philippines coach) who never really is famous for adjustments. If anything instead of Kerr, Spoelstra could've made more of a difference with this team since his philosophy aligns much more with the great coaches like Mike, Pop, and the likes who are great at adjusting their coaching style depending on the personnel he has, we all know Kerr was never like that and never will be. To me, Kerr is just like any other regular coach in an unknown highschool gym, sorry. But we've seen that he's just carried by his team, yeah he made changes when he coached GSW to implement Dray more, but aside from that what else has he really done without Steph, Klay, and Dray? We've seen this with Luke Walton. He was a great coach there but anywhere else he's been subpar.
I came to basketball and the NBA in the 90s. Fall in love with David Robinsons Spurs and stayed with them. I my opinion, the the 2000s where great times. More pace than in the 90s and almost the same intensity. I liked the 2005 finals against the Pistons. Hard fight with the best end for us :-)
Nowadays, I can't watch the NBA anymore, just like a playstation game. Fastbreaks and isolation and no Defense (allowed) anymore.
I prefer the euroleague, even the NBA has the better individual Players.
There really isn't much more movement now on average which is hilarious. Teams are just chucking up more threes and getting more uncontested looks at the basket, so the casual viewer it looks like guys are playing harder. They are not.
Yea, the 2000s had its share of iso scorers, but for the most part those guys were all effective in many different areas as scorers - perimeter, post, P&R, midrange, off-ball, etc. Today it's pretty much only threes or scoring at the basket.
This style of basketball is trash.
“FIBA WC was a great example that the new generation only knows how to play NBA basketball.” Every word hits deeper when you’re a Filipino both a basketball player and a fan. From the way we play the game all the way to our basketball federation. Fucking hell.
I see a lot of confusion in the comments. We all agree Team Usa was the most talent in the world and they didn't deserve to win because they play badly. But why did it happen? These guys (youngest team in the tournament) was formed just one month before the start of the WC cup. How do you build tactics, identity and chemistry in one month with just 4 friendly matches and then jump in a though competion like the WC. Then they have to get use to the different rules and the style of play, which may decrese the jmpact of some players (like JJJ or Brunson). Do not underestimate the impact of 3 sec rules. It totally changes the game. Many times you could see USA players forgetting they could send help more freely than the NBA. With all that said, i think it's clear why they play badly, with lack of movement and a ton of isolation.
Secondly, do not overlap team usa with NBA teams. They dont play like that. Simply watch last playoffs. Denver, Boston, Miami, Warriors, Sacramento etc... played with pace, space, movement and they played according to principles and ideas. Of course they play with different style than European leagues. I find at least 3 reasons... 1) different rules, 2) different interpretation of the rules, 3) different talent (way more different to play schematically against Tatum-Brown, rather than Avramovic-Guduric). NBA teams have at least 20 assistant coaches for each team. They study and analyze with incredible amount of data. Do not think they are just casuals who are at that level because they watch just games in tv. They are prepared.
Thirdly, I watched the WC final. Very good basketball game, but Germany (who won) played with an american style (also coach Trinchieri said it during the commentary on Dazn). I dont find a lot of differences with an nba playoff game (kf course with different rules, but with the same attention to details and force).
In conclusion... to make a fair comparison you have to take into accounts all these multiple variables before just stating that "Nba sucks" "they dont play defense" "european teams are now better" "we play with the right respect if the game"... just stupid. Watch games, study, analyze, reflect, dont be superficial.
You don't need to know some special rules to box out, that's basics.
The final was a great defensive clinic by both teams, you won't see that in nba finals
I mean on offense they never had a bad game. They scored efficiently all tournament. they simply played bad defense. yes teams are more motivated against the us... but its no coincidence that Canada, Germany and Lithuania had insane offensive games against the us. you would think their athleticism would be enough to be dominant on that end. But that has obviously not been the case this year
@@TMPOUZI Yes boxing out is basic, but when you are used to playing in a league where counters are fundamental and generate the best point per possessions, you tend to not attack the basket to get an offensive rebound because you have to run back asap. Players get used to it and when they go in FIBA they suffer this approach. We need always to contestualize. It's not always 1:1 even though it's the same sport. The final WC was a good game, but not great tactically. NBA finals were great last year, lot of great offensive and defensive possessions by both sides. IMO way better. Then NBA finals were 5 games, not 1. Different coaching and preparing for max 7 games than 1.
@@saitamab.7296 I agree with you, but partially. They had the best defensive rating of the tournament. But I agree that against top teams they were too passive. Although in some situations they seemed to much to handle on both sides for everyone. Problem of USA NT is their lack of programming. For years they thought that summing up talent was sufficient for winning, but now (in all sports, not only basket) you need to work constantly with players to build ideas and principles. Serbia had that, Germany had that, Lithuania had that etc... Canada and Usa didn't build that. They were leaning on talent too much and lost, but one month to create a team is not enough. Maybe next year Lebron, Kd, Curry will form the new team, but I dont think it will be enough neither.
Problem is, you never even had a team. You always send 12 guys, who had met 3 weeks before the tournament. Most of the EU teams, with minor changes, play together for years. They know each other well, and that is the key to the game of basketball. Superior individual talent will just not be enough. Even in 1992, Yugoslavia (if we did not had bigger joy in killing each other), I think we would win against the original Dream team, if you ask me. That team was superior, but had no real competition. If there was another real good opponent with real tactics instead of replacing 5 with another 5, as you did all the time, Dream team would suffer heavily casualties, leading to an uncertain ending. Back to just finished WC: you had nocenter in your team apart from KEssler, who was not even playing. In all 3 loses, you had less rebounds then the opponent and somehow you were just not guarding the paint, even though FIBA rules have no 3 second rule for defending the paint. In all 3 loses you received over 110 points, a scarily huge number for FIBA basketball. You have no hierarchy, not now, not in 1992 (which was also impossible due to huge superstar ego of every single of your 11 players). Hierarchy is otherwise is notable in NBA basketball, don't get me wrong here. But if you send 12 superstars to the next Olympics, which will again make it impossible to establish any order within the team. And you will be beaten again, if EU teams come complete. Also, you do not even have any real dominant power forwards any more. They are mostly from EU. This is the 1st position you will be dominated instantly.
Lol smooth transition into the VPN commercial 😂 wasnt expecting it
But they sent their C team... so what? On paper they are still best team with 12 nba players but the problem is that young american nba stars don't know how to play real team basketball.
I never quite understood this 'C-Team' argument. You sent who you sent. If a Racing Team says "But we didn't bring our best car to the world championship race!" the immediate question should be "ok... but why? Seems like you didn't really want the title then..."
"I wasn't even trying" is a time honored excuse in every field but reality is once the whistle goes you play Basketball with whoever is there. And whoever put on the flag jersy now represents you in this international tournament. Nothing else matters. Anything is just disrespecting the Sport. NBA or Fiba.
Greece was missing our best 4 players. Serbia was missing 6 key guys, two of which were their best and third best players. Almost every team was missing people. Did you see anyone else saying that we didn't send our best? No. You sent who you sent. If you go to a war, does it make sense not sending your best soldiers and then getting your ass kicked you can't say 'Nah we didn't send our best guys'. It doesn't make sense. You send the best guys available. You either accept that you don't care about loosing, or if you care and want to win, you send as many of your best guys as you can get.
No one is saying that the other nations didn't deserve the win, but clowning the US like they aren't good enough to win the gold or not scary is quite stupid.The USA born players aren't on the decline, they just don't bother to show up to the event because of laziness (I still want to repeat that it doesn't make German's achievement somehow any less impressive though).
If France brings the best players from its amateur league to a match against Buthan and loses, it doesn't really mean that now the Buthanese players are world level or that the French team is Buthanese level.
Sorry, but I refuse to believe that Andreas Obst is even on the same level of shooting guard as someone like Deving Booker. Let's be real, if the FIBA world cup actually mattered like an NBA ring to these players, there wouldn't be any competition.
@@nickklavdianos5136 Americans underestimate the talent pool of other countries. They believe anyone who do not make it to NBA, including American players playing in Europe, are shit. Dont forget that while Team USA with NBA stars finished 7th in 2002 and 2018 championship, a Team USA with European experience and NCAA student athletes won a bronze in 1998. NCAA preaches team oriented plays. Europe is basically the second chance for NBA rejects coming out of NCAA, and those Americans who play in Europe are no scrubs too.
@@I_FUCKING_HATE_TH-cam you aren't wrong, but look, for the last few Olympics, when the best American players actually bother to come and play, you barely won against France and Spain. A couple more missed shots and you'd not have won gold. It's close man, and other teams know that. Back in the day the difference in talent was larger, so everyone thought that playing against the USA was a foregone conclusion. But then things changed. Team USA started loosing. Games were not blowouts anymore, but close run affairs. So the other teams now know they have a chance. Team USA is still the best team on paper. It has the best talent. It's the heavyweight favourite. But basketball isn't played on paper. It's played on the court. And on the court, upsets can happen. Especially when Americans play iso and lackluster defense and haven't developed chemistry as a team.
Great analysis
The only thing I disagree with in the video is that it's ok to not care about anything else other than the gold. It's perfectly normal that the US would aim for the gold in every competition given that they generally have the much stronger roster, but sports in general and especially the Olympics are about giving your best and improve yourself as an individual and as a team, and if that best translates to a silver or gold medal, be proud of it
So for you it is ok, to show no effort in the game for place three because sport is about giving your best (but only if you can win gold).
@@christiang5209 no I said the exact opposite
@@riccardodepieri4582 but this was what they said, that the game for place three doesnt matters for the us because it is go for gold only
@@christiang5209 exactly, and then he says that that's because in the NBA the only important thing is to finish first and THAT'S OKAY, and I my comment I said that I disagree with that
Hilarious segue into the ad, well-played
I love how you don’t mention the fact that team USA barley had any time to play with each other while the other teams have played together many times already
They all play against one another constantly, while it’s not the same, it’s not like they’re unfamiliar with one another’s game. Idk
Serbia had seond squad with new players and still managed to won silver and maybe even gold if Bogdanovic wasn't sick and Dobric got no injured in first quarter. You are just bad, deal with it.
The Dream team didn’t either. And they won. These guys actually practiced more than the Dream team and lost. Weak.
@@ivanr.1005ok bro suddenly Americans are bad at basketball ok lol 😏
Then start playing together and build a program. Euro players have NBA contract risk too yet they play and commit? The "we'd stomp everyone if we actually tried" is getting a little old.
Because all country has players in nba
Great work
The US basically insulted the FIBA World Cup by sending "Team C". The others sent their best! I would also lose respect and all fear of you. Wait until they get busted in the Olympics 😂😂😂😂😂
Seems to me that not going for offensive boards / not expecting anyone to do so is not a "difference between FIBA an NBA" but a difference in good and bad basketball.
Because the nba and most Star player don't really care about other championship. Just has to see the team they sent this year, look more like a C team..
They should still blow out others on paper... the problem is american NBA players forgot/never learned how to play real basketball
This is no C team , despite what American commentators want you to believe. It's a team made of all-stars, the defensive player of the year and a bulging superstar in Anthony Edwards. Admitedly, it's not the A listers. It's not Lebron, Durant and Curry. But in 08 and 12 the A team (who also included peak Kobe Bryan and D Wade) had to go 8 gear to beat the Gasols and their FIBA bois. The greatest assemble of players ever put together bar the 92 Dream Team didn't roll over a tightly packed FIBA team containing only one superstar.
What makes you think that the same team, 16 years later, where all these A listers are pushing 40 years old and haven't had an NBA MVP for a decade are going to roll over these FIBA superstars like Jokic Serbia, the Antetokumpos in Greecem a French team with Embiid and Wenbayama, this very Germany team or a Spain with this year's rookies already greased up and their point guards back in health. Yes of course US team is still a favourite. But not THE favourites. They're one team among 8.
I remember when USA lost ot Lithuania I was first upset we had to face them in the Semi Finals. Then I thought about it for 10 minutes and shrugged it off. Tell me 10 years ago we have to play USA and I'm frightened. Isn't that crazy?
I was literally scared we would get beat by 50 when we were playing USA from 2000 to 2012